Timeline of video: @0:27 - Mirror Function @1:48 - 2 Pilot System @2:51 - Gypsy Danger vs Knife Head; remote control Jaegers @4:56 - Engineering Plants @5:42 - Metal Alloys @7:05 - Digital vs Analog Enjoy! Comment below what movie/tv show you'd like to see next!
Because of the square cube law we can't make them that big but we can make them as big as an aircraft carrier. We don't need neural drift just a high speed computer system. Realistically, the most efficient way to build them will be with alluminum-copper alloys and a nuclear(fission) reactor as its main power source but this has problems because shaking of the reactor causes problems and if that doesn't work I'd say use hybrid engines for the maximum power delivery. The fuel tanks should be made using F1 rubber-kevlar composites. This will require big batteries but because the hybrid-engines do most of the moving it won't need to spend massive amounts if energy on moving the body. A lot of interchangable parts and electric motars for the fastest manoeuvres however every electrical component should be highly emp shielded. Realistic weapons like built-in giant electromagnetic coil artillery guns. The electrical components should be a hybrid or fully analog. The thing should have high speed components for the fastest computation basically a supercomputer and an A.I. makes sense! And it should be very efficient so the thing doesn't overheat and probably make it so it has a balanced body and doesn't tip over very easily(wide feet) and the whole structure very fluid and non-robotic so that it can perform complex but safe manuvers very fast. I would suggest making it durable and long lasting rather that fast and weak! Make it like iron man's godkiller armor which can use enterchangable parts for faster fixing and make reusing instantaneous and I would just create mini yeagers only for fixing these things! ua-cam.com/video/2HcqS508lIo/v-deo.html
And you are okay with this quote?: "Gypsy's analog, nuclear." How the hell does having a nuclear reactor has to do with analog circuits? And also, them setting off a reactor like bomb is spitting into physics' face! :))
@Elijah Taylor People are still going to talk about these movies. We still talk about movies that came out decades ago, so determining the relevancy of a film by its age is, to put it politely, ridiculous. You're not the only one who does it, but it honestly drives me a little batty when I see comments like it.
About the simple mirror function, is that as a giant robot you need that nervous system connection to give you feedback. For example in the opening when they move the boat out of the way. If they couldn’t feel the boat in their hand, and they didn’t grip it tight enough they’ll drop it. Too tight, and they’ll crush it. Props to CinemaWins for that one.
well u actually dont need to do that u can just simulate the touch on the gloves they were wearing such thing already exists in VR(not for consumer VR)
@@Waffer_X There COULD be a reason for this: If you want to mirror human dexterity, using a haptic suit WOULD work. However, since the Jaegers are so MASSIVE, they could be too cumbersome for expectations. For example, try picking up something incredibly small, then pick up a larger version. Which one is easier? For Jaegers, this could be a MASSIVE problem, because everything is effectively smaller to the pilot, is harder to interact with the environment. However, it COULD be that this issue doesn't exist with neural feedback.
@@kombatace7971 you can mimic human dexterity quite precisely with some accelerometers and gyroscopes, there's no need to connect it to the nervous system
@@sobrev1viente Yeah, you are probably right. However, you can see that they are controlled through the pilots' movements, so I'm not sure how that would work with extra systems to increase dexterity.
Yeah that was one of the only good things about Pacific Rim 2 where when one of the Jaegers got emp it took about 30 seconds for it to reboot but then it just immediately teleport over to the main characters
I mean yea, not even a scientist would think of an species of flesh and bone to have such a power electrical conduct to turn off any type of device with power
I don't think you need specific EMP protection when you have a Faraday cage which in this case is the conducting outer layer of the Jäger. Also the "analog" Jäger would also be affected if this weren't the case since a pure analog circuit for such a complex system ist not an option. It would still need processors and digital components for the calculations even if the signals are transmitted on an analog basis. Still a great movie though.
@@Daniel-gj2cd Analog in power source I think. Since Eureka is purely electrically ran on an electric generator or battery, it got shot down and coudnt reboot. Gipsy's nuclear reactor is constantly running so it provide starting electrical power. So does everything that ran on fossil fuel but haven't been booted on ( the helicopers for example)
That mental stress is completely fictional... To be honest single pilot is the most practical and efficient way.. That neuro link is just the way to make the movie plot more intresting
@Guy Panzerboss in the movie they are simply not ready for an emp because they didn't know that kaiju can biologically produce one... And just so you know there are alot of EMP protection system (holland protection system) that can be easily installed into any mech Even if you say that piloting robots is much flexible and well suited for a fight there are plenty of counter measures for that... And our government is already doing something like introducing drone manned fighter planes and tanks im just saying that the first priority of developers of any kind of mech or weapon is to protect the pilots from it because you cant train a pilot overnight... If that pilot dies it would be a lost quiver in your arsenal
@@fudalanmikevincentr.8529 In My head I like to think that the pilot needs to feel the whole Robot, Getting pushed stabbed etc Obvi not fatal but hurts. This allows them to get rebalanced when pushed and to know when to throw a punch. Cause If it was like VR. You either limit your range of motion or you start clipping through things.
04:41 In pro gaming circles, many first-person shooter players refuse to use a wireless mouse because they're skilled enough to notice the input lag compared to that of a wired mouse. That's just computer games where the receiver is a foot away from the controller. The characters in this film would be many miles away from where the battle happens, not mention the fact that they literally have the fate of the world in their hands. The input lag would be unacceptable. There's also the possibility of radio interference or some electromagnetic phenomenon interfering with your wireless connection to your mech during a battle. Too many resources are put into building those jaegers, and too much will be put in danger from their failure/destruction to risk losing them over something that unimportant. The ability to fly cargo aircraft by remote control exists now, but it's just not done.
Because of the square cube law we can't make them that big but we can make them as big as an aircraft carrier. We don't need neural drift just a high speed computer system. Realistically, the most efficient way to build them will be with alluminum-copper alloys and a nuclear(fission) reactor as its main power source but this has problems because shaking of the reactor causes problems and if that doesn't work I'd say use hybrid engines for the maximum power delivery. The fuel tanks should be made using F1 rubber-kevlar composites. This will require big batteries but because the hybrid-engines do most of the moving it won't need to spend massive amounts if energy on moving the body. A lot of interchangable parts and electric motars for the fastest manoeuvres however every electrical component should be highly emp shielded. Realistic weapons like built-in giant electromagnetic coil artillery guns. The electrical components should be a hybrid or fully analog. The thing should have high speed components for the fastest computation basically a supercomputer and an A.I. makes sense! And it should be very efficient so the thing doesn't overheat and probably make it so it a balanced body and doesn't tip over very easily(wide feet) and the whole structure very fluid and non-robotic so that it can perform complex but safe manuvers very fast. I would suggest making it durable and long lasting rather that fast and weak! Make it like iron man's godkiller armor which can use enterchangable parts for faster fixing and reusing instantaneous and I would just create mini yeagers only for fixing these things!
@Guy Panzerboss did you not see the movie? That was what the precursors were doing with the Kaiju's to the point where there would be a kaiju coming out of the breach about every 5 minutes
The reason for the neurol control is for when the pilots pick something up they can actually feel it so if in any case they have to rescue someone, they know how much pressure or strength they have to use
@@parychahal the down side to it is that whenever the Jaeger gets limb detached, the pilots feel like that limb getting detached like of it was their own human limb
@Ken Justine Rapista no thats just the collision with Knifehead. You don’t get injured when the Jeagar is damaged. You only get receive the feeling of the damage you receive. Not the physical damage. It’d make no sense if you did.
I love the Jeagers! The thing people always forget about them is that they’re designed to reduce collateral damage as much as possible, you see this in the Hong Kong battle as Gypsy steps over small bridges and tries to prevent the Kaiju from destroying buildings.
I think what you are missing is that operating a Jaeger is NOT like an exoskeleton where it is just mirroring movements. Rather, you are merging your nervous system with that of the machine and both sending and RECEIVING neural input. You see that hinted at when it shows them feeling pain when the Jaeger takes damage.
It uses the pilot(s) own senses and neural structure to make sure the machine moves properly. But it also feedbacks to the pilot because its such a close connection. Imagine using that Kinect to play an FPS, but you feel every impact at 50% to 100% actual pain-sensation. And you're not just using your movements to play the game: the system is reading how your brain itself interprets your movements and extrapolate that upward to the Jaeger. Its why they had to split it between two or more pilots: one person can't handle the full neural strain for long.
I agree Pacific Rim was a great movie but what stuck out to me was the scaling problem I remembered from college physics. If you increase the size of a human/animal/robot (say 4x the bones, muscles, organs, metal, plastic, etc.), you can't assume quadrupling the skeletal & muscular structure is enough to handle the increase in mass and body density. Glad you mentioned Gundams and that you're familiar with anime. You should react to Gundam (preferably Gundam Wing but any flavor of the franchise will do) as well as Macross (U.S. version is called Robotech).
They use two pilots for better control. In the novel adaptation, Pentecost explains it by picturing a man lifting an object to its destination: One man can carry one heavy object to its destination, but by the time that one person delivers it to the point, he'd be already fatigued and stressed. But if there's two people carrying that heavy object, they would have energy to spare for the next trip. On a more technical side, the Mind Meld tech requires the pilot's entire brain activity to work. The pilot needs to feel the mech, BE the mech literally, add that to the complex weapons and maneuvering systems that the Jaeger have in its HUD; a single pilot would be overwhelmed before he could even make one step forward. Pentecost also once said that piloting a Jaeger is almost synonymous as manning a battleship. Yes it's doable, but it would take a herculean effort for one person only. Also like the comments said, any millisecond of input lag is unacceptable, the Jaeger needs to be as fully dynamic as possible. Any delay even for a millisecond could spell doom. For every twitch of a muscle, and small movements counts in a Jaeger. That's why these pilots are thoroughly trained mentally and physically.
I mean the two pilot system was supposedly implemented cause the radiation or the systems were too much for one pilot... the remote one I think is because earlier Yeager models were slower so the time delay would be significant since kaijus would be faster because they are living beings and it is seen that the later kaijus are indeed faster than even the fastest Yeager they had
This is how I understand the reasoning. Drifting doesn't just connect you to the other pilot it also connects you to the robot hence being able to feel things and such. In turn the robot is sending all this info about itself like system errors, things that its touching and similar things. All that information is just too much for one human brain to process so they have two pilots to share the info.
A fun explanation i heard for the dual pilots is since the limbs are so large the interface would need to be predictive in what movement signals are coming next, so they dont delay in motion, and two separate pilots both sending the signal, decreases errors in the signal interpretation since the percentage error of two pilots is the square of 1 pilot. Ex: machine error per pilot =5% then the chance the machine has an error from both pilots is 2.5%
One thing I can think of that nessesitate the 2 pilots system is sensory input. You talked about the pilot's input to the machine, but I'd imagine piloting a giant mech would require a bit more than just a display panel showing the pilot what the mech sees. I think what might also be needed is for the pilot to recieve sensory information from the mech itself. All the things such as balancing, impact(to know when they might be walking backwards into a building for example) or just general spacial awareness that cannot be communicated through a monitor. That would make the most sense, as if you put one human into a giant machine with probably tens of thousands of sensors built into all around the machine sending information into 1 brain would be too much to take. That might also explain why the need to have pilots physically inside the machine, as I'd imagine sensory signals invovling tens of thousands of sensors might not transmit very well over the air.
The big difference between Analog and Digital circuits is memory retention (which is done mainly by ICs - Integrated Circuits). Analog circuits typically have very few ICs and a much larger physical surface area and silicon footprint (e.g. 1990's vs 2010's cell phone). The benefit of analog circuits is less susceptible to EMI at scrambling digital memory circuits.
the neural load they're talking about in the mirror function section is the mechs are giving feedback to the brain its what allows them to pick up that boat in the beginning without crushing it in an instant(for that matter they barely are holding onto it considering it still floats)
Im pretty sure the entire purpose of the dual pilot setup is due to the pilots brains essentially being connected directly to the software and hardware to eliminate the input lag to essentially function as the pilot's body itself instead of as a tool to be driven. This combination of being connected/jacked directly into the sofware and hardware created a problem in which one pilot simply could not handle to full load, so it is run in parallel, same volts, less power (on the mind) kind of concept. Obviously that is dumbing everything down and requires suspension of belief, but has just enough basis on real world examples to make enough sense to work for plot and story purpose. Plus it's got "cool" factor. *edit had voltage and power reversed
Clicked so fast when I saw you reviewing this flick. Really enjoyed this movie and always thought what if.. since engineering always has fascinated me, your channel is great for me. I love the science side of things. Science fact often starts with science fiction. Although I do realize that some things are really just pretty far out of our realm of possibility but it's always fun to think about. Also learned about analog and digital components. Thanks again. Keep up the channel!
Granted it made a bit of sense that a quick slapped together gen one mech like cherno alpha would have that issue of not being alloy. As far as the benefit of a neuro link in this scenario is to reduce the ping time of that mirror function. essentially gypsy danger was made to utilize that mirror function as well as the analog to make the mech move faster and when you consider the speed of the kaiju in this universe that makes sense because they basically are way faster than they ever should be possibly fit the size they are. Which considering this information you can see why they chose that.
Well, using in world science (forgive me) the two pilot system had to do with feedback for the motor (mirror) control, so much input from the pilot and feedback from the Jaeger, it places a neural load on the pilots, specifically balance that is derived from the pilots inner ear to act as input to the Jaeger’s gyroscope and also receive feedback to adjust for that… and I think my explanation fell apart. It has to do with feedback between the Jaeger and pilots and the neural feedback. There! I hope that gives a good in-world techno-babble reason.
Oh man, so glad that I found your channel! LOVE this movie, and so glad to know some more real world explainations behind why and how the Jaegers work.
I think that the whole thing with 2 pilots was that,since they are connecting every censor to the person,there would have to be a connection to the brain,so maybe the connection from the brain to the jaeger was too strong for one person (This is my theory)
I dont know how realistic this is, I'm not an expert, so I dont know how this would work in real life. But The jaegers require 2 pilots because, when they drift, they connect to the jaeger, they feel its pain, the feel the force of the punches, and due to the sheer size of the jaeger, a single human mind cannot handle essentially becoming a 250ft+ Mech
To the question asked @ 3:25: EM interference from the Kaijus prevent it from being remote controlled. The pilots and the mirror function controls are EM shielded in Gypsy Danger -- protects Jaeger functions but necessitates having a pilot: double-edged sword.
I believe that the pure titanium is much more resistant to the kaijus highly acidic blood than most alloys that could have been used. Also alloys have to be cast, which might make it more fragile under specific circumstances unique to the jaegers.
The reason the neural load is too much and why they need two pilots is because the connection is two ways and grants the pilots direct feedback from the juegar. As in you feel what it feels, see what it sees. If you pay attention the pilots aren't watching the screen, they're seeing through its eyes. Also when both the pilots are looking at to each each other they're basically disconnected from visuals and get caught off guard because of it.
Your explanation for the 2 Pilot system is actually why they implemented it. Each pilot takes one side, and the free side controls weapons systems. You are right on the alloys. It is better than using pure metal.
Another reason to have the pilots inside the jeager is to avoid having to program a bunch of software that automatically keeps the jaeger standing upright and balanced. With the pilots in the "cockpit" their autonomic nervous systems can keep the giant robot balanced and on its feet.
I haven't seen it yet, but for the remote control. Most Jäger's were analog. The only one that could be remote controlled was Striker, the first and only digital Jäger of the first movie. When Raleigh steps in Gipsy, he's physically moving Something that physically makes the Jäger move. You can see that, the movie accents this actually. I know we did the digital vs analog, but didn't see someone saying this. It is faster to make something analog than digital, as he states. And that's why the Jäger's aren't remote controlled. Because the pilot is physically moving something within the Jäger to make it move. There's also the age old debate of removing the human from the battlefield vs still putting bodies in danger. It's as he said a lot of the general technology exists today. But we need to think of the scale the Jäger's are built on. These are essentially the largest robots in the world in this world. Think of the full scale gundam that's undergoing movement tests. See how slow it is. To get presise control, would you risk a small chance to have a bad connection, or would you put the body in the Jäger, can't loose connection then.
I understand that you are better than me about all this. But I understand the movies logic in a way. They have 2 pilots because they are connected to the Jaeger mentally, to increase response time and treat it more like an armour instead of a vehicle. Also that's the same reason they are in the Jaeger directly instead of remotely
So the 2 pilot system has a few parts to it to make it what it is. The neural interface itself makes the Jaegar's control much more realistic, being able to pick up the boat early on without crushing it. That being said, that neural interface is rather intensive, so they probably do the 2 pilot system to help reduce the intensity of the system.
It baffles me that you, being an engineer, missed the whole point of neural link. Rewatch the scene when Knifehead rips off Gypsy's arm. The pilots inside the jeager scream. They FEEL the pain. They interface with the jeager to the point where they feel its hull as if they would feel their own body. This explains, at least to some degree, why there's two pilots. Because the jeager is so huge they need to brains to process all that information. And also they have manual switches inside the cocpit so its convenient for one pilot to take care of the movement for a while and the other to operate the weapon systems. Obviously they don't do it by thought like Tony Stark. Also this explains why remote control is impossible. It wouldn't be possible to send so much data remotely. They can control the jaeger better from the inside.
Lets not forget why the Drift exists. The Jaeger needs a neural connection to the pilot's brain to receive and interpret damage received, but only one pilot receive it is so much stress. Hence the Dual pilot exists to share the neural load on both half of the Jaeger. BUT in order to make 2 pilots totally synchronized, the drift is implemented, making the pilots think and move in sync, and the connection between pilots making them see each others memories. Its like a person invading another person's hive mind and stumble upon their memories upon reaching the end of the hive.
As others have stated, the neural link is so that they can see thru the Jaeger's eyes and feel with the Jaeger's tactile, pressure, temperature,etc, sensors. It gives them nearly human feedback. They need two pilots because the feedback is too much for any one human. They become the Jaeger rather than just operate it. Is this needed? Probably. Over time they likely realized that beating the Kaju wasn't working with just remote control or even a guy wearing a Jaeger like a suit of armor similar to a knight of yesteryear. Think of you wearing thick gloves. Now try to do stuff with thick gloves on. I'm not just talking about difficult tasks. All tasks become difficult because you get almost no feedback from the gloves compared to human skin.
Remote Operation I doubt it would be a timing issue. Dedicated satellite communication would be very fast. Even radio towers on the coast would provide relatively good and very fast communication for many many miles out to sea. There could be many problems with remote operation even if there were no EMPs. They may have tried it in the past and antennas broke, salt water can interfere, monsters from a “wormhole” may give off enough residual energy to disrupt a normal signal. I do know that US drones have onboard backup commands if their remote communication is not operating. At the end of the day, without knowing why, it is impossible to vet their choice, merely that their choice is believable, and that’s all a movie needs for us to continue to watch and enjoy.
We can make Gypsy Danger in real life and along with human pilots we can add super AI as support for the Jeager. Just like Iron Man with Jarvis/Friday.
Actually in the movie, the reason the people got nosebleeds and too much mental stress because of the moving part was because their nerves were connected to the machine and they felt what the machine felt and the machine was an actual mental extension of their mind
The control system uses brain-computer interface to speed to maximize responsiveness of the Jaeger. Such a large mechanism with a widely distributed electronic control system might need multiple cephalic centers, like the dinosaurs had a front and rear brain, only arranged left-right. The BCI system wild also facilitate communication between the pilots, as well
The dual pilots were just for the story's addition for drama only. Without it, the story would be bland, and it'll be no different from a cliche sci-fi fighting monster show. Besides, drama makes money in the cinema world.
@@triplemoyagames4195 I'm not talking about the science of that world. What I'm saying is the logic of the "narrative," which is the plot of the story on why they chose that dependency for dual pilots.
@@vanjosh7763 Yes, and I am saying the dual pilot thing about the Jaegers makes sense. So the part of the plot driven by the dual pilot therefore can make sense also. Dual Pilots were a necessary thing for mechs of that size. Okay let's make this simpler, what are your reservations about it?
@@triplemoyagames4195 Within the film, they didn't go into depth about the cause of the hemorrhaging of the pilot with the mecha synch process. In reality systems such as that would have a passive programmed control support system for alleviating the stress in calculating each movement of the mecha, and it makes the piloting much simpler and efficient; rather than dual controls. They have computers, they have the tech, however, the movie showed so many errors with their logic. A major flaw with the dual controls is the memory synch with the 2nd pilot. With such deep memory synch, who knows if there are underlying psychological changes, it's like a deep mixing of both mind, memory, senses, and feelings.
A jeagar is not just a mere giant robot, rather than controlling it like a robot it serves as an extension for the human body using a Neural link but due to the immense data from the link a single human brain is not enough to successfully control the jeagar which is why it was needed that 2 pilots are needed to control such complex machinery
Good video, but the reason they use two pilots is because they don't actually use mirror technology, the neural link works as an extension of you nervous system, in order to shorten the delay between moving and the response, as you can do it as you think, instead of as fast as you can move
In simple words one pilot cant handle the pressure which comes from controlling a 100ft robot. For controlling the robot efficiently you need to connect it with human body. Mainly mind so like we get exhausted while exercising, due to massive consumption of energy and if we push over body over a limit we might pass out or get a heart attack because the body cant take that much pressure. which means the body of the pilot cant take that much exhaustion while controlling a big robot like that so two guys are needed to control it without dangering anyone's life.
Just found your channel. I have to say I love how in depth your explanations are I've actually learned a lot. Not really a critique but I found it interesting how your main grievance with the movie is that you can't actually see an EMP, while this is true the reason why it's visible is so that the audience can understand and visualize what's happening and feel more impact rather than a far shot of the scene with a noise but nothing actually happening. As a storyteller this reasoning came to me quickly, seeing how you're into engineering it doesn't surprise me that you may have missed that, I actually found it quite interesting.
Welcome to The Gold Life!! I'm glad you're liking the videos! Right, there's a certain aspect of the visuals in a movie that add to the production and I understand that, just didn't state it outright in this video.
Making alloys help in preventing rust and making it stronger example pure gold is super malleable and actually softer therfore it has to be mixed into an alloy for even making jewellery
The reason for the whole stress on the brain is because jaegers don’t move from the hand controls. It takes signals straight from the brain just like how we control our own arms and legs. The physical sensors act as a second check system on the main. This method of brain to machine cuts out the middle man and is faster
You have to think in the context of sensory input. While displays can provide a lot they cant provide everything. And with such a large machine you would need direct sensory input. The human brain was only designed to take in what our bodies can sense. If you increase the amount and likely strength of that input the "neural load" becomes to much for one brain.
Remote control may not be possible because it not only depends on distance & signal strength but the volume of data that need to be transmitted. Think about downloading a movie over mobile network vs copying from a flash drive.
No body is talking about how mechanically complex the jeager is ....just forget the mirroring....a mechanical engineer should be the master brain here..
My thing for why they would need 2 pilots. Lets use the Remote control car example given during the video. He is controlling the car (Or in this situation the robot) but on a much bigger scale. Keep in mind I have never watched Pacific Rim (I always preferred Transformers). So like I’m assuming when he said one pilot controls one hemisphere. I’m guessing that the guy on the left controls the left half of the body. But the technology is using these pilots brains as a way of communication. They think of the action then the robot does it. And the brain is a very sensitive organ. So its no surprise that this kind of processing power can fry your mind or at least cause some kind of permanent damage. Basically my theory is the robots are using these pilots brains as a ground in electrical speak.
I think you are really resisting accepting the basic premise that there is a direct brain connection between the pilots and the jaegers. It's like resisting that there is super light speed travel in a science fiction movie.
I first saw Pacific Rim but when I was looking for some PAC Rim vids I found what it was based on, Neon Genesis Evangelion, except instead of cyborg they use robots and instead of calling them angels they were Kaiju
You're wrong and correct at the same time. While NGE is very important for the Mecha culture, it's not the main inspiration for this movie. Pacific Rim is rather based on the general culture and actually modernised and made more realistic this classics
So re-watching this, I learned that the reason then you're a load was too much for the pilots, was so that they could physically feel what the Jagger felt. So when they looked at the boat at the beginning of the movie, if they didn't feel the boat in their hand they would have just crushed it, so they physically felt the boat in the yeagers hand as if it was their own hand
I was all prepared to get annoyed at you for nitpicking one of my favorite movies . . . but shockingly, you keep it reasonably easy to figure out and understand, don't whine and actually are interesting to listen to. Nice surprise. Thanks!
I know I am late to this party but I would like to weigh in. I have always felt that the reason that they needed 2 pilots (or more) is not necessarily for macro control but for sensory input and minor controls. Basically, balance orientation and adjustment for inputs such as wind, water currents and uneven ground. It is a complicated process to get a small mobile robot to stand without support in ideal conditions. If you could route that sensory input to a human, we are already adept at walking instinctively and maybe the mental strain of co-coordinating a giant robot could be too much for 1 mind.. I would argue that it sounds more realistic.. If we had to build a monster robot in a short space of time, it is probably easier to relay info to a pilot than to program an A.I. to account for those environmental effects. You can also use existing technology ( www.cyberdyne.jp/english/products/HAL/ ) You can employ employ more scientists from more fields, ostensibly lightening the mental work load to create a Jaeger..
To be fair in their universe for no apparent reason anything over a certain size requires two brains(in their universe dinosaurs had two brains). Presumably that is why they need two pilots.
Remote controlling a Jaeger won't be as efficient compared to the pilots who are actually there. It's like playing VR video game. It's awkward. Regarding EMP. "In real life we can't really see radio wave." Well, it's an alien energy weapon, deal with it XD
Am a little confused why you didn't address the square cube law. Aren't they at a size where there's no metal known to man they can be made of without crushing under their own weight?
The reason why there is 2 people and not one because in the movie one person couldn’t handle something that I can’t remember. That is why there is 2 people also one person controls the left side and the other controls the right side
The Funny thing is with the feedback thing with the boat in the beginning so they wouldnt crush it, makes the drones in Uprising s u r p r i s i n g l y useless xDD
No no NO! The reason they need two pilots are due to the fact the jaegers reads movement from a person’s brain signals, not their physical movement. And because a jaeger is so big it overloads(I don’t understand the overloading stuff)a person’s mind, so 2 pilots are needed
I disagree with your slow fighting theory: Clearly this fight isnt as fast as maybe Episode I Obi Wan vs Maul... But even in such a slow fight timing is absolutely critical. As i see it actually even more. In a fight the opponents alwas try to interrupt the rythm of the other guy in some way. The most simple way to do so is to just be faster. If you cant go faster anymore you have to begin to think about timing. You can see this kinda exsessively in pro level combat Sport: two fighters hopping around each other just waiting for the other to do something. What i wanna say is: the right movement at the right Moment is absolutely critical. Even a milisecond off can make a difference because you cant position your body in the right way.
I meant, in their world they have Kaiju- i assumed not all the things they have in that world will matched up with our real world. Since it's fiction anyone can have a different thoughts about it haha
@@parychahal Uranium and plutonium have about 88 Terajoules per kilogram energy density. Fusion( deuterium and tritium) 350 terajoules. Proton proton fusion(in the sun) 650 Terajoules. Antimatter is 89,900 terajoules
@@parychahal nuclear fission has an insane energy density. It just requires massive neutron shielding to be safe to use(which makes atomic cars and rockets too dangerous). I also love your videos
Timeline of video:
@0:27 - Mirror Function
@1:48 - 2 Pilot System
@2:51 - Gypsy Danger vs Knife Head; remote control Jaegers
@4:56 - Engineering Plants
@5:42 - Metal Alloys
@7:05 - Digital vs Analog
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Because of the square cube law we can't make them that big but we can make them as big as an aircraft carrier. We don't need neural drift just a high speed computer system. Realistically, the most efficient way to build them will be with alluminum-copper alloys and a nuclear(fission) reactor as its main power source but this has problems because shaking of the reactor causes problems and if that doesn't work I'd say use hybrid engines for the maximum power delivery. The fuel tanks should be made using F1 rubber-kevlar composites. This will require big batteries but because the hybrid-engines do most of the moving it won't need to spend massive amounts if energy on moving the body. A lot of interchangable parts and electric motars for the fastest manoeuvres however every electrical component should be highly emp shielded. Realistic weapons like built-in giant electromagnetic coil artillery guns. The electrical components should be a hybrid or fully analog. The thing should have high speed components for the fastest computation basically a supercomputer and an A.I. makes sense! And it should be very efficient so the thing doesn't overheat and probably make it so it has a balanced body and doesn't tip over very easily(wide feet) and the whole structure very fluid and non-robotic so that it can perform complex but safe manuvers very fast. I would suggest making it durable and long lasting rather that fast and weak! Make it like iron man's godkiller armor which can use enterchangable parts for faster fixing and make reusing instantaneous and I would just create mini yeagers only for fixing these things! ua-cam.com/video/2HcqS508lIo/v-deo.html
And you are okay with this quote?: "Gypsy's analog, nuclear."
How the hell does having a nuclear reactor has to do with analog circuits? And also, them setting off a reactor like bomb is spitting into physics' face! :))
So
Should have got a structural engineer;
Are you gonna do Pacific rim 2?
Pacific Rim made us believe that giant robots are possible. Uprising was like a Michael Bay film.
@Elijah Taylor Imagine still talking about a movie that's over seven years old.
Oh wait
We are
@Elijah Taylor source: voices from my head
@Elijah Taylor People are still going to talk about these movies. We still talk about movies that came out decades ago, so determining the relevancy of a film by its age is, to put it politely, ridiculous.
You're not the only one who does it, but it honestly drives me a little batty when I see comments like it.
@Elijah Taylor are you stupid?
@@vibe7416 Yes, he is.
About the simple mirror function, is that as a giant robot you need that nervous system connection to give you feedback. For example in the opening when they move the boat out of the way. If they couldn’t feel the boat in their hand, and they didn’t grip it tight enough they’ll drop it. Too tight, and they’ll crush it. Props to CinemaWins for that one.
well u actually dont need to do that
u can just simulate the touch on the gloves they were wearing
such thing already exists in VR(not for consumer VR)
@@Waffer_X There COULD be a reason for this:
If you want to mirror human dexterity, using a haptic suit WOULD work. However, since the Jaegers are so MASSIVE, they could be too cumbersome for expectations. For example, try picking up something incredibly small, then pick up a larger version. Which one is easier? For Jaegers, this could be a MASSIVE problem, because everything is effectively smaller to the pilot, is harder to interact with the environment. However, it COULD be that this issue doesn't exist with neural feedback.
they could have done that without the need for triggering the nociceptive (pain) nerve fibers
@@kombatace7971 you can mimic human dexterity quite precisely with some accelerometers and gyroscopes, there's no need to connect it to the nervous system
@@sobrev1viente Yeah, you are probably right. However, you can see that they are controlled through the pilots' movements, so I'm not sure how that would work with extra systems to increase dexterity.
The reason jaegers dont have emp protection is that no kaiju has had a emp based attack before
Yeah that was one of the only good things about Pacific Rim 2 where when one of the Jaegers got emp it took about 30 seconds for it to reboot but then it just immediately teleport over to the main characters
I mean yea, not even a scientist would think of an species of flesh and bone to have such a power electrical conduct to turn off any type of device with power
Leatherback: am I a joke to you?
I don't think you need specific EMP protection when you have a Faraday cage which in this case is the conducting outer layer of the Jäger. Also the "analog" Jäger would also be affected if this weren't the case since a pure analog circuit for such a complex system ist not an option. It would still need processors and digital components for the calculations even if the signals are transmitted on an analog basis.
Still a great movie though.
@@Daniel-gj2cd Analog in power source I think. Since Eureka is purely electrically ran on an electric generator or battery, it got shot down and coudnt reboot. Gipsy's nuclear reactor is constantly running so it provide starting electrical power. So does everything that ran on fossil fuel but haven't been booted on ( the helicopers for example)
The used two pilots to lighten the mental stress
That mental stress is completely fictional... To be honest single pilot is the most practical and efficient way.. That neuro link is just the way to make the movie plot more intresting
In real life its posdible to control any mech in a distance without a pilot and without endangering the pilots
@Guy Panzerboss in the movie they are simply not ready for an emp because they didn't know that kaiju can biologically produce one... And just so you know there are alot of EMP protection system (holland protection system) that can be easily installed into any mech Even if you say that piloting robots is much flexible and well suited for a fight there are plenty of counter measures for that... And our government is already doing something like introducing drone manned fighter planes and tanks im just saying that the first priority of developers of any kind of mech or weapon is to protect the pilots from it because you cant train a pilot overnight... If that pilot dies it would be a lost quiver in your arsenal
@Guy Panzerboss im just saying real life facts here... But i also understand your point.
@@fudalanmikevincentr.8529 In My head I like to think that the pilot needs to feel the whole Robot, Getting pushed stabbed etc Obvi not fatal but hurts. This allows them to get rebalanced when pushed and to know when to throw a punch. Cause If it was like VR. You either limit your range of motion or you start clipping through things.
04:41 In pro gaming circles, many first-person shooter players refuse to use a wireless mouse because they're skilled enough to notice the input lag compared to that of a wired mouse. That's just computer games where the receiver is a foot away from the controller. The characters in this film would be many miles away from where the battle happens, not mention the fact that they literally have the fate of the world in their hands. The input lag would be unacceptable.
There's also the possibility of radio interference or some electromagnetic phenomenon interfering with your wireless connection to your mech during a battle. Too many resources are put into building those jaegers, and too much will be put in danger from their failure/destruction to risk losing them over something that unimportant. The ability to fly cargo aircraft by remote control exists now, but it's just not done.
Because of the square cube law we can't make them that big but we can make them as big as an aircraft carrier. We don't need neural drift just a high speed computer system. Realistically, the most efficient way to build them will be with alluminum-copper alloys and a nuclear(fission) reactor as its main power source but this has problems because shaking of the reactor causes problems and if that doesn't work I'd say use hybrid engines for the maximum power delivery. The fuel tanks should be made using F1 rubber-kevlar composites. This will require big batteries but because the hybrid-engines do most of the moving it won't need to spend massive amounts if energy on moving the body. A lot of interchangable parts and electric motars for the fastest manoeuvres however every electrical component should be highly emp shielded. Realistic weapons like built-in giant electromagnetic coil artillery guns. The electrical components should be a hybrid or fully analog. The thing should have high speed components for the fastest computation basically a supercomputer and an A.I. makes sense! And it should be very efficient so the thing doesn't overheat and probably make it so it a balanced body and doesn't tip over very easily(wide feet) and the whole structure very fluid and non-robotic so that it can perform complex but safe manuvers very fast. I would suggest making it durable and long lasting rather that fast and weak! Make it like iron man's godkiller armor which can use enterchangable parts for faster fixing and reusing instantaneous and I would just create mini yeagers only for fixing these things!
@Guy Panzerboss Quantaty over quality, or size I guess
Actually we now have 1ms response time which match our monitors so it's not a problem anymore, but yeah, cheap mous has SHITTY RESPONSE TIME
@Guy Panzerboss did you not see the movie? That was what the precursors were doing with the Kaiju's to the point where there would be a kaiju coming out of the breach about every 5 minutes
This. Exactly.
The reason for the neurol control is for when the pilots pick something up they can actually feel it so if in any case they have to rescue someone, they know how much pressure or strength they have to use
that makes a lot of sense...I think you're right
@@parychahal the down side to it is that whenever the Jaeger gets limb detached, the pilots feel like that limb getting detached like of it was their own human limb
And this is why prosthetic limbs are a bit weaker to handle because you can't feel the pressure when you're doing things
@Ken Justine Rapista no thats just the collision with Knifehead. You don’t get injured when the Jeagar is damaged. You only get receive the feeling of the damage you receive. Not the physical damage. It’d make no sense if you did.
@@Mgl1206 maybe it was the blood from Yancy when he got ripped out of the conpod
I love the Jeagers!
The thing people always forget about them is that they’re designed to reduce collateral damage as much as possible, you see this in the Hong Kong battle as Gypsy steps over small bridges and tries to prevent the Kaiju from destroying buildings.
0:27 - the control systems are probably for precision and sensation, which is pretty important for combat
I agree
I think what you are missing is that operating a Jaeger is NOT like an exoskeleton where it is just mirroring movements. Rather, you are merging your nervous system with that of the machine and both sending and RECEIVING neural input. You see that hinted at when it shows them feeling pain when the Jaeger takes damage.
It uses the pilot(s) own senses and neural structure to make sure the machine moves properly. But it also feedbacks to the pilot because its such a close connection. Imagine using that Kinect to play an FPS, but you feel every impact at 50% to 100% actual pain-sensation. And you're not just using your movements to play the game: the system is reading how your brain itself interprets your movements and extrapolate that upward to the Jaeger. Its why they had to split it between two or more pilots: one person can't handle the full neural strain for long.
I agree Pacific Rim was a great movie but what stuck out to me was the scaling problem I remembered from college physics. If you increase the size of a human/animal/robot (say 4x the bones, muscles, organs, metal, plastic, etc.), you can't assume quadrupling the skeletal & muscular structure is enough to handle the increase in mass and body density.
Glad you mentioned Gundams and that you're familiar with anime. You should react to Gundam (preferably Gundam Wing but any flavor of the franchise will do) as well as Macross (U.S. version is called Robotech).
I thought about doing a video for Gundam but IDK how much different it would be from the Pacific Rim video
If you make things on a larger scale, its basically harder to move the limbs, also the Yokahoma gundam lmao
@@parychahal can you react to votoms en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armored_Trooper_Votoms it's a very down to earth and realistic mech series.
Its called the Square Cube Law. Its also what contradicts the possibility of Godzilla ever being real
@@uhhhhNick or any land animal larger than argentinasaurus on earth.
They use two pilots for better control. In the novel adaptation, Pentecost explains it by picturing a man lifting an object to its destination:
One man can carry one heavy object to its destination, but by the time that one person delivers it to the point, he'd be already fatigued and stressed.
But if there's two people carrying that heavy object, they would have energy to spare for the next trip.
On a more technical side, the Mind Meld tech requires the pilot's entire brain activity to work. The pilot needs to feel the mech, BE the mech literally, add that to the complex weapons and maneuvering systems that the Jaeger have in its HUD; a single pilot would be overwhelmed before he could even make one step forward. Pentecost also once said that piloting a Jaeger is almost synonymous as manning a battleship. Yes it's doable, but it would take a herculean effort for one person only.
Also like the comments said, any millisecond of input lag is unacceptable, the Jaeger needs to be as fully dynamic as possible. Any delay even for a millisecond could spell doom. For every twitch of a muscle, and small movements counts in a Jaeger. That's why these pilots are thoroughly trained mentally and physically.
I mean the two pilot system was supposedly implemented cause the radiation or the systems were too much for one pilot... the remote one I think is because earlier Yeager models were slower so the time delay would be significant since kaijus would be faster because they are living beings and it is seen that the later kaijus are indeed faster than even the fastest Yeager they had
Well the radiation is caused by (i think) nuclear power and Kaiju blood because well they are toxic
Radiation isnt caused by drift, the old jagers where built so fast they couldnt afford proper radiation sheilding around the core.
This is how I understand the reasoning. Drifting doesn't just connect you to the other pilot it also connects you to the robot hence being able to feel things and such. In turn the robot is sending all this info about itself like system errors, things that its touching and similar things. All that information is just too much for one human brain to process so they have two pilots to share the info.
A fun explanation i heard for the dual pilots is since the limbs are so large the interface would need to be predictive in what movement signals are coming next, so they dont delay in motion, and two separate pilots both sending the signal, decreases errors in the signal interpretation since the percentage error of two pilots is the square of 1 pilot.
Ex: machine error per pilot =5% then the chance the machine has an error from both pilots is 2.5%
One thing I can think of that nessesitate the 2 pilots system is sensory input.
You talked about the pilot's input to the machine, but I'd imagine piloting a giant mech would require a bit more than just a display panel showing the pilot what the mech sees.
I think what might also be needed is for the pilot to recieve sensory information from the mech itself. All the things such as balancing, impact(to know when they might be walking backwards into a building for example) or just general spacial awareness that cannot be communicated through a monitor.
That would make the most sense, as if you put one human into a giant machine with probably tens of thousands of sensors built into all around the machine sending information into 1 brain would be too much to take.
That might also explain why the need to have pilots physically inside the machine, as I'd imagine sensory signals invovling tens of thousands of sensors might not transmit very well over the air.
You are exactly right. Kind of thought the film was clear with this.
its not like remote control in a bigger scale, the pilots need to sense, like how they not crush the boat and grip it with required force
that a good point forgot about that part when jispy picked up the boat
7:30 if you see His glasses, he's like 10 seconds of delay lol
The gold life: “That is just a mirror function”
The writers: *YEAH BUT THE ROBO-LADS ARE BIIIIIG BOIS*
The big difference between Analog and Digital circuits is memory retention (which is done mainly by ICs - Integrated Circuits). Analog circuits typically have very few ICs and a much larger physical surface area and silicon footprint (e.g. 1990's vs 2010's cell phone). The benefit of analog circuits is less susceptible to EMI at scrambling digital memory circuits.
the neural load they're talking about in the mirror function section is the mechs are giving feedback to the brain
its what allows them to pick up that boat in the beginning without crushing it in an instant(for that matter they barely are holding onto it considering it still floats)
Im pretty sure the entire purpose of the dual pilot setup is due to the pilots brains essentially being connected directly to the software and hardware to eliminate the input lag to essentially function as the pilot's body itself instead of as a tool to be driven. This combination of being connected/jacked directly into the sofware and hardware created a problem in which one pilot simply could not handle to full load, so it is run in parallel, same volts, less power (on the mind) kind of concept. Obviously that is dumbing everything down and requires suspension of belief, but has just enough basis on real world examples to make enough sense to work for plot and story purpose. Plus it's got "cool" factor. *edit had voltage and power reversed
Clicked so fast when I saw you reviewing this flick. Really enjoyed this movie and always thought what if.. since engineering always has fascinated me, your channel is great for me. I love the science side of things. Science fact often starts with science fiction. Although I do realize that some things are really just pretty far out of our realm of possibility but it's always fun to think about. Also learned about analog and digital components. Thanks again. Keep up the channel!
Thanks so much Nathan! Glad you're enjoying the channel!
Granted it made a bit of sense that a quick slapped together gen one mech like cherno alpha would have that issue of not being alloy. As far as the benefit of a neuro link in this scenario is to reduce the ping time of that mirror function. essentially gypsy danger was made to utilize that mirror function as well as the analog to make the mech move faster and when you consider the speed of the kaiju in this universe that makes sense because they basically are way faster than they ever should be possibly fit the size they are. Which considering this information you can see why they chose that.
Well, using in world science (forgive me) the two pilot system had to do with feedback for the motor (mirror) control, so much input from the pilot and feedback from the Jaeger, it places a neural load on the pilots, specifically balance that is derived from the pilots inner ear to act as input to the Jaeger’s gyroscope and also receive feedback to adjust for that… and I think my explanation fell apart.
It has to do with feedback between the Jaeger and pilots and the neural feedback. There! I hope that gives a good in-world techno-babble reason.
It's cool bro ahaha I think out loud so while I'm talking I'll sometimes contradict myself lol
You need more views and subs tbh man!
Thanks Dermotius!! It would be a huge help if you could share your favorite engineering reaction of mine on your social media!
@@parychahal will do
Oh man, so glad that I found your channel! LOVE this movie, and so glad to know some more real world explainations behind why and how the Jaegers work.
Welcome aboard! I love this movie too! The soundtrack is awesome!
I think that the whole thing with 2 pilots was that,since they are connecting every censor to the person,there would have to be a connection to the brain,so maybe the connection from the brain to the jaeger was too strong for one person
(This is my theory)
Gipsy Danger: The Collapsing Jaeger.
And the remote control, as said in the sequel. The drones can be hacked.
I dont know how realistic this is, I'm not an expert, so I dont know how this would work in real life. But The jaegers require 2 pilots because, when they drift, they connect to the jaeger, they feel its pain, the feel the force of the punches, and due to the sheer size of the jaeger, a single human mind cannot handle essentially becoming a 250ft+ Mech
Cool, so many mechanical stuff in this movie.
God bless they write better plots for part 3.
Imagine how much damage a jager could do in a military application today, even a mountain wouldnt stop one.
Seeing the real eye point of view on tech like this really is so cool
I want a kaiju apocalypse so I can become a jaeger pilot.
To the question asked @ 3:25: EM interference from the Kaijus prevent it from being remote controlled. The pilots and the mirror function controls are EM shielded in Gypsy Danger -- protects Jaeger functions but necessitates having a pilot: double-edged sword.
I believe that the pure titanium is much more resistant to the kaijus highly acidic blood than most alloys that could have been used.
Also alloys have to be cast, which might make it more fragile under specific circumstances unique to the jaegers.
The reason the neural load is too much and why they need two pilots is because the connection is two ways and grants the pilots direct feedback from the juegar. As in you feel what it feels, see what it sees.
If you pay attention the pilots aren't watching the screen, they're seeing through its eyes. Also when both the pilots are looking at to each each other they're basically disconnected from visuals and get caught off guard because of it.
Your explanation for the 2 Pilot system is actually why they implemented it. Each pilot takes one side, and the free side controls weapons systems. You are right on the alloys. It is better than using pure metal.
Another reason to have the pilots inside the jeager is to avoid having to program a bunch of software that automatically keeps the jaeger standing upright and balanced. With the pilots in the "cockpit" their autonomic nervous systems can keep the giant robot balanced and on its feet.
I loved this video and pacific rim Is my favorite movie
i lıke this kind of review from the view of engineer. i expect this guy will react to another scifi movie too
I haven't seen it yet, but for the remote control.
Most Jäger's were analog. The only one that could be remote controlled was Striker, the first and only digital Jäger of the first movie.
When Raleigh steps in Gipsy, he's physically moving Something that physically makes the Jäger move. You can see that, the movie accents this actually.
I know we did the digital vs analog, but didn't see someone saying this. It is faster to make something analog than digital, as he states. And that's why the Jäger's aren't remote controlled. Because the pilot is physically moving something within the Jäger to make it move.
There's also the age old debate of removing the human from the battlefield vs still putting bodies in danger.
It's as he said a lot of the general technology exists today. But we need to think of the scale the Jäger's are built on. These are essentially the largest robots in the world in this world.
Think of the full scale gundam that's undergoing movement tests. See how slow it is.
To get presise control, would you risk a small chance to have a bad connection, or would you put the body in the Jäger, can't loose connection then.
I understand that you are better than me about all this. But I understand the movies logic in a way. They have 2 pilots because they are connected to the Jaeger mentally, to increase response time and treat it more like an armour instead of a vehicle. Also that's the same reason they are in the Jaeger directly instead of remotely
1:00 well yes; that's true. It's just that Jäegger combat requires you to focus on too many things at once
I'm assuming it Is not a mirror but more like a neural connection to the jaguar giving the pilot the ability to feel what the jaguar touches
So the 2 pilot system has a few parts to it to make it what it is. The neural interface itself makes the Jaegar's control much more realistic, being able to pick up the boat early on without crushing it. That being said, that neural interface is rather intensive, so they probably do the 2 pilot system to help reduce the intensity of the system.
It baffles me that you, being an engineer, missed the whole point of neural link.
Rewatch the scene when Knifehead rips off Gypsy's arm. The pilots inside the jeager scream. They FEEL the pain. They interface with the jeager to the point where they feel its hull as if they would feel their own body.
This explains, at least to some degree, why there's two pilots. Because the jeager is so huge they need to brains to process all that information. And also they have manual switches inside the cocpit so its convenient for one pilot to take care of the movement for a while and the other to operate the weapon systems. Obviously they don't do it by thought like Tony Stark.
Also this explains why remote control is impossible. It wouldn't be possible to send so much data remotely. They can control the jaeger better from the inside.
Tony use Eye tracking
One of these days I'll give the Pacific Rim films a look. One of these days...
Lets not forget why the Drift exists.
The Jaeger needs a neural connection to the pilot's brain to receive and interpret damage received, but only one pilot receive it is so much stress. Hence the Dual pilot exists to share the neural load on both half of the Jaeger.
BUT in order to make 2 pilots totally synchronized, the drift is implemented, making the pilots think and move in sync, and the connection between pilots making them see each others memories. Its like a person invading another person's hive mind and stumble upon their memories upon reaching the end of the hive.
As others have stated, the neural link is so that they can see thru the Jaeger's eyes and feel with the Jaeger's tactile, pressure, temperature,etc, sensors. It gives them nearly human feedback. They need two pilots because the feedback is too much for any one human. They become the Jaeger rather than just operate it.
Is this needed? Probably. Over time they likely realized that beating the Kaju wasn't working with just remote control or even a guy wearing a Jaeger like a suit of armor similar to a knight of yesteryear.
Think of you wearing thick gloves. Now try to do stuff with thick gloves on. I'm not just talking about difficult tasks. All tasks become difficult because you get almost no feedback from the gloves compared to human skin.
Very well explained
Remote Operation
I doubt it would be a timing issue. Dedicated satellite communication would be very fast. Even radio towers on the coast would provide relatively good and very fast communication for many many miles out to sea.
There could be many problems with remote operation even if there were no EMPs. They may have tried it in the past and antennas broke, salt water can interfere, monsters from a “wormhole” may give off enough residual energy to disrupt a normal signal.
I do know that US drones have onboard backup commands if their remote communication is not operating.
At the end of the day, without knowing why, it is impossible to vet their choice, merely that their choice is believable, and that’s all a movie needs for us to continue to watch and enjoy.
We can make Gypsy Danger in real life and along with human pilots we can add super AI as support for the Jeager. Just like Iron Man with Jarvis/Friday.
Gipsy Danger Is Miles Better Than Gipsy Avenger. I'd Just Like The AI To Be Like In The First Movie.
We cant
no we cant, those machines are PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to build, at this scale the thing would crumble under its own weight let alone walk or fight ...
@@Asghaad Not if you build it correctly.
@@maxdrags3115 as of now, there is no way to make a 100-meter tall robot that can even walk. Nothing is strong enough
There could be someone on board to handle technical issues. That could probably be best handled remotely though.
Actually in the movie, the reason the people got nosebleeds and too much mental stress because of the moving part was because their nerves were connected to the machine and they felt what the machine felt and the machine was an actual mental extension of their mind
i liked your video a lot
Thanks Felipe!
The suit for the Pilots is basically a motion suit
The control system uses brain-computer interface to speed to maximize responsiveness of the Jaeger. Such a large mechanism with a widely distributed electronic control system might need multiple cephalic centers, like the dinosaurs had a front and rear brain, only arranged left-right. The BCI system wild also facilitate communication between the pilots, as well
The dual pilots were just for the story's addition for drama only. Without it, the story would be bland, and it'll be no different from a cliche sci-fi fighting monster show. Besides, drama makes money in the cinema world.
They xplain why they need too. It makes sense
@@triplemoyagames4195 I'm not talking about the science of that world. What I'm saying is the logic of the "narrative," which is the plot of the story on why they chose that dependency for dual pilots.
@@vanjosh7763 Yes, and I am saying the dual pilot thing about the Jaegers makes sense. So the part of the plot driven by the dual pilot therefore can make sense also.
Dual Pilots were a necessary thing for mechs of that size. Okay let's make this simpler, what are your reservations about it?
@@triplemoyagames4195 Within the film, they didn't go into depth about the cause of the hemorrhaging of the pilot with the mecha synch process. In reality systems such as that would have a passive programmed control support system for alleviating the stress in calculating each movement of the mecha, and it makes the piloting much simpler and efficient; rather than dual controls. They have computers, they have the tech, however, the movie showed so many errors with their logic.
A major flaw with the dual controls is the memory synch with the 2nd pilot. With such deep memory synch, who knows if there are underlying psychological changes, it's like a deep mixing of both mind, memory, senses, and feelings.
A jeagar is not just a mere giant robot, rather than controlling it like a robot it serves as an extension for the human body using a Neural link but due to the immense data from the link a single human brain is not enough to successfully control the jeagar which is why it was needed that 2 pilots are needed to control such complex machinery
Good video, but the reason they use two pilots is because they don't actually use mirror technology, the neural link works as an extension of you nervous system, in order to shorten the delay between moving and the response, as you can do it as you think, instead of as fast as you can move
In simple words one pilot cant handle the pressure which comes from controlling a 100ft robot. For controlling the robot efficiently you need to connect it with human body. Mainly mind so like we get exhausted while exercising, due to massive consumption of energy and if we push over body over a limit we might pass out or get a heart attack because the body cant take that much pressure. which means the body of the pilot cant take that much exhaustion while controlling a big robot like that so two guys are needed to control it without dangering anyone's life.
Just found your channel. I have to say I love how in depth your explanations are I've actually learned a lot.
Not really a critique but I found it interesting how your main grievance with the movie is that you can't actually see an EMP, while this is true the reason why it's visible is so that the audience can understand and visualize what's happening and feel more impact rather than a far shot of the scene with a noise but nothing actually happening. As a storyteller this reasoning came to me quickly, seeing how you're into engineering it doesn't surprise me that you may have missed that, I actually found it quite interesting.
Welcome to The Gold Life!! I'm glad you're liking the videos! Right, there's a certain aspect of the visuals in a movie that add to the production and I understand that, just didn't state it outright in this video.
I would love to see you react to Transformers! Especially the 07' movie by Michael Bay!
Making alloys help in preventing rust and making it stronger example pure gold is super malleable and actually softer therfore it has to be mixed into an alloy for even making jewellery
The reason for the whole stress on the brain is because jaegers don’t move from the hand controls. It takes signals straight from the brain just like how we control our own arms and legs. The physical sensors act as a second check system on the main. This method of brain to machine cuts out the middle man and is faster
Thanks for explaining the analog vs digital, I don't know anything about electrical engineering and was wondering if it made any sense in the movie.
You're welcome :)
You have to think in the context of sensory input. While displays can provide a lot they cant provide everything. And with such a large machine you would need direct sensory input.
The human brain was only designed to take in what our bodies can sense. If you increase the amount and likely strength of that input the "neural load" becomes to much for one brain.
Ha ha same buddy m.. Electrical engineer too
Remote control may not be possible because it not only depends on distance & signal strength but the volume of data that need to be transmitted.
Think about downloading a movie over mobile network vs copying from a flash drive.
No body is talking about how mechanically complex the jeager is ....just forget the mirroring....a mechanical engineer should be the master brain here..
My thing for why they would need 2 pilots. Lets use the Remote control car example given during the video. He is controlling the car (Or in this situation the robot) but on a much bigger scale. Keep in mind I have never watched Pacific Rim (I always preferred Transformers). So like I’m assuming when he said one pilot controls one hemisphere. I’m guessing that the guy on the left controls the left half of the body. But the technology is using these pilots brains as a way of communication. They think of the action then the robot does it. And the brain is a very sensitive organ. So its no surprise that this kind of processing power can fry your mind or at least cause some kind of permanent damage. Basically my theory is the robots are using these pilots brains as a ground in electrical speak.
4:20 they need to see what there doing and getting a good clear picture would be important so yeh video lag could be an issue
I think you are really resisting accepting the basic premise that there is a direct brain connection between the pilots and the jaegers.
It's like resisting that there is super light speed travel in a science fiction movie.
Yeah he seemed to not think we can directly connect our brains for precise control blows drone control out of the water
I first saw Pacific Rim but when I was looking for some PAC Rim vids I found what it was based on, Neon Genesis Evangelion, except instead of cyborg they use robots and instead of calling them angels they were Kaiju
You're wrong and correct at the same time. While NGE is very important for the Mecha culture, it's not the main inspiration for this movie. Pacific Rim is rather based on the general culture and actually modernised and made more realistic this classics
in the movie one person is only strong enough for one side of the jaeger
So re-watching this, I learned that the reason then you're a load was too much for the pilots, was so that they could physically feel what the Jagger felt. So when they looked at the boat at the beginning of the movie, if they didn't feel the boat in their hand they would have just crushed it, so they physically felt the boat in the yeagers hand as if it was their own hand
I was all prepared to get annoyed at you for nitpicking one of my favorite movies . . . but shockingly, you keep it reasonably easy to figure out and understand, don't whine and actually are interesting to listen to. Nice surprise. Thanks!
I appreciate that!
What I found interesting is that how few helicopters can pick up a mech of that size.
Aloys an metals
7:03 I realy dont thing its gonna cause a rift...
I see what you didi there,nice one.
If they had remote control yeagers. You know some cretin will hack em and go crazy
I know I am late to this party but I would like to weigh in.
I have always felt that the reason that they needed 2 pilots (or more) is not necessarily for macro control but for sensory input and minor controls.
Basically, balance orientation and adjustment for inputs such as wind, water currents and uneven ground.
It is a complicated process to get a small mobile robot to stand without support in ideal conditions.
If you could route that sensory input to a human, we are already adept at walking instinctively and maybe the mental strain of co-coordinating a giant robot could be too much for 1 mind..
I would argue that it sounds more realistic..
If we had to build a monster robot in a short space of time, it is probably easier to relay info to a pilot than to program an A.I. to account for those environmental effects.
You can also use existing technology ( www.cyberdyne.jp/english/products/HAL/ )
You can employ employ more scientists from more fields, ostensibly lightening the mental work load to create a Jaeger..
cell service has 15-45 milliseconds of delay, I think that that wouldn't make much of a difference, as long as the people were close enough
Can you do a video on neon genesis movies?
If the monster used an EMP, they should have been shielded from it. We have that today.
To be fair in their universe for no apparent reason anything over a certain size requires two brains(in their universe dinosaurs had two brains). Presumably that is why they need two pilots.
Can you make radio lasers?
Remote controlling a Jaeger won't be as efficient compared to the pilots who are actually there. It's like playing VR video game. It's awkward.
Regarding EMP. "In real life we can't really see radio wave." Well, it's an alien energy weapon, deal with it XD
I feel like this'll be better at "How realistic is it" type of video (wired)
Am a little confused why you didn't address the square cube law. Aren't they at a size where there's no metal known to man they can be made of without crushing under their own weight?
The reason why there is 2 people and not one because in the movie one person couldn’t handle something that I can’t remember. That is why there is 2 people also one person controls the left side and the other controls the right side
Would there be a Mico Prosser in the jeagers or would they use the brains of the pilots to do most of the computing
That could be interesting for controlling drone swarms though....but yeah one pilot I think
The Funny thing is with the feedback thing with the boat in the beginning so they wouldnt crush it, makes the drones in Uprising s u r p r i s i n g l y useless xDD
please react to opening of Patlabor 2 opening!
"You won't see the EMP"
Well yeah, but blue looks cool, so your point is irrelevant.
No no NO! The reason they need two pilots are due to the fact the jaegers reads movement from a person’s brain signals, not their physical movement. And because a jaeger is so big it overloads(I don’t understand the overloading stuff)a person’s mind, so 2 pilots are needed
The pilots are actually neurologically bounded to the machines this explains they pain the receive from external damage of the jaeger
I disagree with your slow fighting theory:
Clearly this fight isnt as fast as maybe Episode I Obi Wan vs Maul... But even in such a slow fight timing is absolutely critical. As i see it actually even more.
In a fight the opponents alwas try to interrupt the rythm of the other guy in some way. The most simple way to do so is to just be faster.
If you cant go faster anymore you have to begin to think about timing.
You can see this kinda exsessively in pro level combat Sport: two fighters hopping around each other just waiting for the other to do something.
What i wanna say is: the right movement at the right Moment is absolutely critical. Even a milisecond off can make a difference because you cant position your body in the right way.
I meant, in their world they have Kaiju-
i assumed not all the things they have in that world will matched up with our real world. Since it's fiction anyone can have a different thoughts about it haha
What is the Jeager's power source ?
Thats usually my question ahah
I think they said it's a nuclear power source...? I don't remember exactly
@@parychahal I was thinking nuclear fission. But i don't know if they have enough material for proper neutron reflection and gamma ray shielding
@@parychahal Uranium and plutonium have about 88 Terajoules per kilogram energy density. Fusion( deuterium and tritium) 350 terajoules. Proton proton fusion(in the sun) 650 Terajoules. Antimatter is 89,900 terajoules
@@parychahal nuclear fission has an insane energy density. It just requires massive neutron shielding to be safe to use(which makes atomic cars and rockets too dangerous). I also love your videos