The Spotify Argument Continued
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00:00 - The Spotify Problem
00:59 - A Small Correction
02:35 - Eek Not a Good Idea!
03:20 - You Will Fail in Business!
04:07 - Music or UA-cam?
04:39 - A Splash of Cold Water
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The way Mary reads out these *horrid* comments, and then responds so genuinely to the concerns she can see "beneath the surface" is truly admirable and heartwarming.
Agreed. I'd had hoped to hear some positive feedback also but allas we'd not get the drama excitement.
Nice video anyway - fascinating openess, thanks.
I love how you respond to haters so professionally, and turn their negativity into genuinely helpful talking points
It's a whole NEW world! I wish I could say I know ALL about it, but no. The musicians who change overtime, adapt, and find new ways to share, will win. YOU GOT THIS!!!
100%!
Reminds me of the quote "People who say it cannot be done, should not interrupt those who are doing it."
Man, the hostility is wild lol. Thanks for these kinds of videos, they really help a budding musician put things into perspective.
I absolutely love how you approach your naysayers and give positive, corrective responses. Also, your videos and great to watch....and hands-down I love your vocals.
“No one cares…”
At least 700k people disagree. LOVE your videos! 👍💜
Your position is very well thought out Mary & I applaud your determination to see it through. All the best with your truly wonderful music 🎶.
Mary, you’re a talented and successful singer, song writer, multi-instrumentalist and UA-camr who has a very bright future ahead. Tell the naysayers to piss off!
I'm never blatantly rude to someone on UA-cam when they've gone to the effort of creating videos and good music to share with the World. What gives people the licence to be nasty and basically horrible to those people. If you don't agree with their point of view on a topic, move on.
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@@KeysToTheCastleMusic I was about to say the same thing
@@davidmarsh9897 it's because you're a nice person who doesnt hide behind a screen and belittles others, just to make yourself feel good. Sadly, a lot of people aren't like you..
I think a big part of the problem is that people today look at musicianship only working as a career if you make it big. And that is just silly, there should and can be plenty of space in the middle for musicians to thrive.
Most musicians actually
yes!!! spot on!
This video is a great example of why I was compelled to order your new album: quiet, articulate, knowledgeable wisdom and insight. I can’t wait to hear the album, and am enjoying the first single so far on (yes) Spotify for now.
When you talk about musical education being defunded, you caught my atention even more. As a principal of a public music school I can talk about all the beneficts that teaching music can have. Love for you to talk more about this, if you will
I care😊 I care enough that I pre ordered your Album. Keep doing what you are doing!
The more people who protest Spotify the more the eventual impact will happen. Chipping away at them with one person at a time if need be with patience and persistence.
As a musician myself I'm proud of what you are doing, I don't get why so many musicians are so eager to give their music for free and even get upset if you want people to be compensated for their efforts. That same people usually later is complaining about how hard and unfair the music business is and how easy is for musicians to go into depression and mental health issues.
We have to be smarter and we have to be united, big corporations like Spotify are NOT your friends nor the way to go to make things better for artists.
F*&^ the haters. Do you, girl. You are killing it!
Spotify makes me feel depressed when I analyze how they control and take advantage of so many musicians all over the world.
You are a cool girl, keep that cool attitude going.
Love that you mention Ren. Amazing independent artist. An interview would be great,
This is something people overlook, and I did up until a few years ago - UA-camrs are not simply “people talking to cameras”.
They are a media company, and very professional in what they do, not only the video quality, but essentially all the aspects you’d expect from a media company - seeking advertisers, studying their audience, analyzing data, prioritizing high revenue content. It is a business, and when well run and with a bit of luck, it can get you far.
Excellent job answering the comments. I've found the comments that say "blah blah supply and demand' are normally very much surface economics and most likely missing way too much to be of much use.
I am always impressed by the calm joy you present when doing one of these conversations with the community. Your gracious answers to sometimes rather rude posts are a lovely example that I would love to see more people emulate.
To any who doubt the usefulness, I've been hovering around the edge of diving into Ms. Spender's music for a while, being interested in what she has to say. Each time I encounter her videos here, I am made more likely to switch from a mere viewer to a very small part of her financial backing. It's surely not the only way to build a community, but she does this one well.
So many 'artists' seem to have forgotten the 'art' part of it. Not everyone is going to appreciate your music and your insight, but for every one of those people who have that self-entitlement to tell you how this or that will fail, I wonder what percentage of them really have what it takes to go from a starving artist to a success story. I have watched you for quite a few years and find your outlook and trials to be great content about the struggles of being a real artist. Keep doing what you do, and don't listen to the people who want to do nothing better than be trolls. I'd bet if they spent as much time supporting artists (who are putting their souls on display in the hope that someone will appreciate it), and less time being trolls that they'd be much happier people and maybe a little more human.
I particularly love the people who "don't care" so much to go through the effort to post comments declaring that.
I like how some people don't think social media has gatekeepers. Social media is just as bad at bottlenecking most artists. UA-cam and Spotify included. The numbers are horrible for most people.
I saw Julia from Thoman Guitars on one of the clips. That is so cool that my favorite UA-camrs get connected out there. Love your music too!
I'm a singer and songwriter in my late 60's, been performing for 50 years, both as a frontman and as a solo artist. I released my first all original CD in 2019. No idea how to market it in the current music distribution system. This video was a breath of fresh air for those of use who don't quite understand the new, and still developing model. My hat is off to you for not only figuring it out, but also sharing what you have, and are still, learning. Keep up the great work!
You're so great Mary. Thank you for all you do! Love your music, love your videos, love your energy.
I have your first album in the car. I can't wait till this one ships. Excitement!!! I comment from time to time. But, always positive and knew and said your smarts were applied with diligence and honesty as soon as I subscribed to your Channel. So here we are. A prayer or two here or there didn't hurt. Also, on a personal note, I play publicly every other week. Your story is an encouragement to all of us out here. Sincerely, No Time for Negatives... Sam Hatman! Thanks Mary! WAIT! I subscribe to every person you presented in your video plus many more you know. The community you are with is wonderful and feed the same encouragement you do. That is stunning!!!
You are brilliantly sailing through the unknown waters of musician independence in 2023. You are a prolific artist and you understand this new platform of the business side. It isn't a job, it's a life. As Rick Beato once quipped: nothing to being a UA-camr, I just work a hundred hours a week.😆
You have my support as one of SO MANY OF US who live vicariously through you. The naysayers complain simply because they can't do what you have already accomplished.
Can't wait to hear more from the CD, "Chicago" is a great start. Can't wait to receive my copy.
To quote another artist: Its a Long and Wining Road".... Just stay the course, Mary Spender...
“ great spirits have always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds “ , Albert Einstein .
Good lord!!!!! The comments 😱 The Audacity these people have, God damnn!!!!!, You are doing ABSOLUTE great don't let these bother you even for a second, You are an inspiration for me and always will be ❤✨
Kudos to you for being so patient with people who resort to logical fallacies to make their points.
I think releasing songs piecemeal via digital distribution is totally where this is all headed. You are right on the curve.
Wow!! That clip you played sounds great!! Greetings from Chicago!!
Puna podrška. Odlična ste osoba,odlična umjetnica. Želim vam puno uspjeha u daljnjoj karijeri.
You're an inspiration, Mary! Thank you 🙏😊
I really enjoy your videos. It's refreshing to hear from someone who is realistic, smart, and sane. Best wishes with the release.
I love your attitude- keep doing all these things and more.
Keep bringing in people to bounce ideas, discussions and music off.
I love all things about music too.
Your tenacity and commitment are an inspiration not only for musicians but for anyone struggling to express themselves no matter what their art form may be.
Love your music and your videos Mary! Looking forward to my signed CD. Keep up the awesome work in both genres!
it's funny how some people think being rich and famous is the only real meaning of success. these people are probably not living their own dreams so they try to crap on others. keep doing your thing, Mary!
I wouldn’t know what works for artists. But you do you. I’ve enjoyed your content for many years now and although I’m not a patron, I am a fan or your work.
I am too a musician. I’m doing things my way as well. If something happens and I am able to make a living, wonderful! If not, I still have the music.
Best wishes for what you’re doing!
I lucked out and thoroughly enjoy your music and other content as well--really like some of the history you do particularly when showing certain evolutions in the industry whether genre specific or as a whole. All the best in continued success and hope you figure out the Spotify algorithm.
Great video Mary, gracious in the face of a lot of bizzare stuff....Keep at it!!
I love your work and value your insights. You demonstrate how every interaction can provide value.
Wow, so much great stuff just in one video! Way to go! Thanks a lot! ♥
It is interesting to follow a productive musician and singer such as you. Keep sharing the process with us. Blessings!
It's interesting how these people have absolutely no experience, nor do they know all your details yet. They offer their opinions on your career.
On the strength of your videos I've pre-bought a copy of your album. The only cd player I have is in my (ancient) car. I will listen to the album online almost exclusively. Born in 1959, I have eschewed physical copies of music altogether. But after watching this channel for a while I am willing to pay for the bit of plastic to support you. Most of those questioning you in these comments cannot see the force of your personality in gathering fans. Old style music stars had their music and whatever the music corporation they were signed to allowed out there. You, Mary, are speaking directly to me (well, it feels like). That's pretty important, and has persuaded me to put my money where my mouth is.
Brilliant !! And how in the world did keep from laughing while reading some of those comments? I know I wouldn't be able to do it in one take.
Yayyy for the mention of possible vinyl. I already have pre-ordered my CD but am also very interested in vinyl. In reference to timestamp 0:45. Your followers/fans care about you, your works, your art, and your mad skills in performance, production, arrangement, writing, humor and your creativity. Fist bump Mary...
I wish you the best. I just pre-ordered your CD. Thank you.
I'm not a musician but I'm a follower, hey! you kill it girl! You´re really talented and not only a great artist but only a professional! Loved the way you responded, we need more people like you!
A new band from Dublin put their first song on Spotify and has only got 200 plays so far after a long time up; this is why most bands and artists give up
5:26 Mary shouting out Ren - love when worlds you want to collide actually do.
Thanks Mary. Loved this video. 👏❤️
I love that line - "rise of the middle-class musician". I think modern models of making a living in music via streaming, social media, patreon, etc. are bringing back the more accessible/relatable musicians. I think the gatekeepers were missing the gems and imposing their taste in music on the general populace. Now is better. Much better. And I'm happy to see the decline of large record companies with their distribution monopolies.
It's good to see you didn't get angry and lose your cool when reading out those comments.
1:16 That's 12 cents, dear. Unless you're saving up for a 1.2 string guitar, then I didn't say a thing.
Ur voice. I can’t get enough of it.
Narrate anything or simply just talk about anything; I think we’re all gonna listen to it.
I’ll be with u till the end, all the way.
Ur huge fan from SF.
PS: please let us know in advance if u’re ever gonna be in SF again.
Do meet n greet for ur fans?
Love u!
You're an abosolute TROOPER for doing this AND for reading/answering comments. Keep on keepin' on. You've got a beautiful voice and seem very intelligent. You've got this.
We all use streaming services, but we don't have to be pathetic foot soldiers for the corporate oligarchs. Who knew so many people would jump to the defence of these criminals. They obviously don't know the details of the 'deal' Spotify did with the major labels, and ignorance is bliss for them.
You go Mary! Most walks of business and indeed life have naysayers. I was self employed (a company owner) for nearly 20 years and was successful for 3 basic reasons… I was very good at my profession but worked harder than most others, I did not do what everyone else in my field did (I offered services they couldn’t), and I had multiple income streams - but from a relatively narrow bandwidth (I didn’t try to be all things to all people). When I retired a couple years ago, I put my energy into music, my avocation for 50 years. You are obviously succeeding, for the same basic reasons… not to say these 3 things are all it takes, they’re not. But, they are pretty universal in the business world, and in life. I for one applaud what you are doing and your willingness to take chances with unproven directions. You will continue to succeed, and most importantly… you seem happy!!! Our world needs more happiness and people like you create that! BRAVO! BTW, I’m anxiously awaiting your album! 🎶🎵
Mary, I'm one of your, much older fans and I must say you are an inspiration to young and old. Thanks for your music and your words of wisdom.
Love you, you are a shining light & I am watching you hoping to learn from your success. You are total inspiration.
Good on you, Mary. I admire your ability to deal with the patronising comments in such a coherent and positive way - after all you have spent more time and effort tackling the issues they are so sure they know all about. You are also a great example of how to think for yourself and not succumb to the giant squid that is Spotify, sucking the income away from small, independent artists and depositing it in the accounts of the already rich and successful artists. (I want my sub to go to the people I actually listen to, which it doesn't).
I think you have a bright future not just as a musician, but as a music business educator and pioneer. Three cheers for people like you who are an example to others, and demonstrate that streaming isn't the answer for many musicians and writers.
Love your honesty Mary. Your new tune is fantastic too!
Hello Mary,
This video was helpful.
❤
Thanks for mentioning the defunding of music education. To further quote JFK, “The life of the arts, far from being an interruption, a distraction, in the life of the nation, is close to the center of a nation's purpose - and is a test to the quality of a nation's civilization.”
I enjoy your work. Keep making music. You have great gift and talent.
Well done so far, Mary! I wish you the best going forward. Experiment and find out!
Nice one Mary Spender! I like how you humourously deliver those quotes of utter disrespect and dumb-ass ignorance just with a smile. Great! Impatiently looking forward to listening to your album! Your work, be it your songwriting, the crafting of your videos or just your letting us be a witness of your path, is very inspiring to me.
Thanks for this Mary. I recently went over my first 100 youtube subscribers (whoo!) I've had some of these same thoughts about these streaming platforms and whether one should play or not. I'm getting ready to record my next album so the release strategy is top of mind for me. I love how BandCamp treats their artists (especially relative to platforms like Spotify) but it's hard to build an audience there because so few people use it. The trials and tribulations of the modern artist.
Thank you! Keep experimenting and good luck with the results!
Makes me angry becuase making consistent and well made videos takes a ton of work! I make videos in my spare time and sometimes I don't feel like doing it between that, my music, and my full time job. You've earned every subscriber Mary! Good on you for not losing heart!
Well said!! Carry on and congrats on the new releases!! : )
Hi Mary, great video!
Just a thought, regarding the concept of some thing “physical that your fans can hold “. We can definitely wear a T-shirt or a hat, put up a poster or drink coffee out of branded cup.
The stems idea is interesting, but have you ever considered a graphic picture book?
For a portion of what it might cost to print physical CDs and graphic design for them, you could make a physical, full color book that contains behind-the-scenes photos, some special notes from you, maybe images of your original lyric sheets, etc.
Now there is something we can hold in our hands, and actually enjoy looking at and reading while we listen to your music, however we do including streaming it.
It’s a real book, doesn’t have to be super long, but it’s an extension of what many people have done for LPs and CDs…perhaps.
I for one, would love to check out your charts and lyric sheets…studio pics, guitar images etc
not only is it fun for your fans, but it stands as a very useful physical object, that doesn’t compromise how your music is released and still add to your margins.
Speaking for myself, I would gladly pay between 20 and $50 for something like that from an artist like you.
You could even sign a few and personalize notes for a slightly higher fee for those interested in that.
Keep up the good work!
Music in the form of digital bits is fleeting. Almost no one do a backup of their phones, and few use a paid cloud service. Phones last for few years, and cloud space gets lost when the subscription is no longer paid. All of this to say, that digital-only music is easily lost, and the existence of a media like the CD is fundamental for your fans. LP are even better, both for the analogue format, and because you can include much more printed material with the disc.
Thank you for the video...
Well done Mary we appreciate you!
Nailed it❤ Good for you!
Your a class act Mary! An intelligent thinker and leader and an articulate communicator. But most of all a talented musician with terrific vocals. Keep up the great work!
There has always been a spectrum of musicians, those who make it world wide, those who conquer a single country, those who make a living as supporting acts and doing small venues, those who just make a living doing clubs, weddings and minor festivals and finally those who have other jobs and play at weekends. Those who work teaching music and play as often as they can secure a position either live of for recordings. However they find themselves as musicians they are valuable to the whole musical ecosystem. Almost all session musicians are by definition better players than the bands and artists they work for. The best musicians in the world are people most would not know of. Fame does not equate to talent and or skill. Some will never have written, produced or played the music they are famous for. They may even have sung only with auto tune.
Mary You Are Amazing and if you ever did want to be a mum you could do that as well as being a talented musician and fantastic vocalist.
Found you via the Jim Croce breakdown of "Operator" you did with Rick Beato. Looking forward to consuming your music no matter which format you choose!
Haters be haters. Ignoring them is best! You rock, Mary!
I've taken to making a short batch of my own CDs, literally cut/glued by my own hands in small numbers, they seem to get good attention and I can hoard supplies without having to have boxes full of CD's I may never sell (i still have old CD's from old old old bands because we had to buy so many) but I've also started to think about "guitarist editions" or "producer editions" so people get the album and can jam along with my tracks or do their own mixes, it's time consuming but worth it in the long run
Keep doing what you're doing. Your videos are very informative and inspiring to a lot of people, including myself. I just recently decided I want to try to become a musician, pretty much from scratch, perhaps as part of a midlife crisis (I'm 41). It's something I've daydreamed about since I was a teenager but never actually tried. I'm aware that the first thing I have to do is actually learn to play and that alone is going to take time, but I'm hoping that maybe within a few years time I can get good enough to form a band with some like minded people and make a half decent living. I'm keeping my expectations low because I'm mature enough to know that this is not an easy goal and will take a time and a lot of effort. Don't quit your day job and all that. But you and others like you (I discovered your channel from UA-cam recommending your interview with Samurai Guitarist, who is another content creator I've recently been following) have given me hope that such goals are actually possible for someone who wants it enough to put in the effort.
You come across as a knowledgeable and capable person who is passionate about what you do. The fact that you do actually make a living from your passion is a clear sign that you actually know what you're talking about. I've always believed in the value of constructive criticism, but I've also long believed that most criticism you get (on any subject) from random anonymous schmucks on the internet comes from people who either don't know nearly as much as they think they do or are just jealous haters, if not both. Please keep doing what you're doing, be yourself.
And thank you.
Mary is, without any shadow of a doubt, more business savvy than all the keyboard warrior know-it-all men that think fame = success in music (or anything). Bravo Mary!
Out of the blue, I listened to a lecture about 16th century Mennonite art in Holland. How iconoclasm disrupted the traditional guilds and commission system. Portrait, still life, and landscape painting emerged, but sculpture disappeared. The take away is that the economic environment changed, and in true evolutionary fashion, diversity provided how to adapt to the new environment. As long as music is happening, and young people are acquiring the skills for making music, we are doing just fine.
Absolutely stellar video. You’ve definitely inspired me to start doing more UA-cam content once I get some good equipment. It’s also very encouraging to see that people nowadays can make a living doing music and they don’t have to be big pop or rock stars. Question though. What’s good beginner equipment? Stuff to make not just topic video such as this but also quality covers.
I really appreciate the perspective you offer in your videos! It's helpful to know that even being successful doesn't stop the occasional hate comment from coming in...it's really easy to start doubting yourself when people pour hatred at you just because you put a video on the internet, but I really like the way you framed it that there are people that will like what you do and you just have to find them. Thank you for your positivity Mary, it's videos like these that help remind me to keep pursuing music as a hobby no matter what happens externally :)
right? The way she handles these haters, should be a lesson for everyone putting themselves out there.
Hello Mary. I recently pre-ordered Super, Sexy Heartbreak. Found you on UA-cam. Listened to your artistry on Qobuz and found you and your music to be inspiring. Coming from a British family also worked in your favor. 😁Let this serve as testimony that your formula will work. Damn the naysayers and full steam ahead! Take care.❤
Love everything you do girl! Keep on ROCKIN'!!!!!
I've been a fan for years....of your music, how you run your channel, how engage with your followers/fans. and especially how you present yourself as a person. You get to control the camera of course, but you've always come across as genuine and this video is another good example. You could have approached some of these comments much differently (I mean, seriously, "and do something like become a mother".......what just happened? What year is this?) but you approached each of them tactfully and took the opportunity to share experience and wisdom when appropriate. I agree with many of the other comments here: What you're doing is working so keep being you and doing things the way that is "right" for you.
Society evolves and so do musicians and artists who adapt to utilize and take advantage of new technologies. Can't wait for the CD to arrive and look forward to all your future endeavors - both musically, artistically and as a content creator on social media. Stay positive and keep moving forward, regardless of what others may say.
I love this notion of a middle class musician. If that had been an option to me 30 years ago, my career path might've been different. I loved making music, but it was so risky of a career, and I was also good at computer programming.
Well done Mary. If you don't try you don't know. Having spent 30 plus years in the Music industry I witnessed firsthand it's down fall, mainly by the march of new technology and the Record companies' denial and lack of imagination in how to deal with it. A new model must be out there and it seems to me that you are approaching it in a pretty pragmatic way.
On a side note; it always amazes me how little appreciation is given for a musician's trade. How many other professions require such dedication from childhood to become an actual Musician....
Trying to make a living as a musician this day and age is nearly impossible following the old fashion playbook. Kudos to you for using social media to make a solid living with your music!!
I love listening to your voice, I love your speaking voice. It soothes me
Spotify wants product to sell without paying full price for said product. Good for Spotify and consumers but not for music makers. It seems that your solution is not to depend on Spotify. Good luck Mary!