I feel like people don't watch the full set. MKLeo adapts really well to his opponent and corrects his miss spacing constantly. People don't give him the credit he deserves, they just go straight to, "Ike is brain dead easy".
@@IzzyIsntReal If you look closely at Ike's playstyle. It's very similar, if not the same, as you play the FE game itself. Think about it: Ike needs spacing to get his attack for minimum punishment. In FE, if you don't position your character(s) well, they'll either heavily wounded or die. Sure, Ike hits very hard, but that doesn't mean you can just swing around blindly and you'll get a kill. Ike needs to predict when and where his opponent goes, just like how you bait your enemy and be aware of your surrounding. And even though Nair to up air looks simple and easy to pull off, it's not guarantee, just like the RNG in the game(s). You need to form a plan on the spot, which is what FE is about. And learn where to land, when to jump, etc. So in my opinion, Ike is basically how the FE games work. Idk if I made my point clear. (Also Greg Chun is making his legend with being Ike's new VA from FEH)
@@lmao2302 I would say Ike is A tier/high tier. Not a top tier but I can also understand if you say Ike is a mid tier. I still think he an A/high tier.
To everyone who says Ike is OP, Easy, Braindead, or whatever--I don't get it. He's now a solid character with a consistent combo game and great kill confirms. These are things I used to WISH Ike would have back in S4, since he was so 'bleh' of a character. Why are people so against the game just having good characters?
People are against Ike killing people at 0% from the suicide and stringing together 3 hit combos from a platform that kill, while other characters have to do so much more. Ike doesn’t have to win neutral he just needs one string to tie any game up
@SSBM Tobi The chat was chock-full of 'em and I've seen it on both Twitter and UA-cam comments. "Leo's Ike isn't entertaining to watch" "Fair, nair, nair, uair, uair" "Boring ass plays" "No brain", etc.
After zero its easier to recognize that being dominant will bring you more hate than anybody else. When leo came up everybody praised him bc zero was still in the game. Now thats hes _the guy_ in smash U so far the tides switched against him.
Schweise also leo loses to light back at glitch and nobody says shit and forgets about ike for a while but when leo wins a tournament we have a problem now LUL
Being Op its not the problem, the problem is that he is just "Nair the character", i think that he is just like cloud in Smash 4, his playstyle is boring and a little braindead, but agree, Mk Leo is awesome
@@goleon7671 Leo is working with his kit and he's amazing with it. I guarantee that even without his nair confirms, Leo would still wipe people out with Ike. He knows this character so well. Also, his ability to recover with Ike is easily the most impressive thing imo lol.
People still saying Ike is OP, but remember how everyone thought Wario was top tier after Glitch and Inkling was called the best character in Ultimate shortly after release? One Ike in Genesis top 64, if you still think he's easy you go win EVO with him and see how easy that will be.
And how Leffen said PT was basically the best char, well rounded and no faults (with 5 top 128 appearances). But now that he lost he's saying PT is trash and that Ike and MM are OP.
@@adrianordp bullshit. He thinks PT has the pontential to be the best character in the game but he said himself that PT is too difficult to be consistent with so that's why he's dropping the character. (Or atleast he's playing him as a secondary)
1. Wario is not top tier, get over this obsession with tiers, every second character is being called top tier by someone. 2. I forgot Marss existed, two Ike mains in top 64 Ike OP confirmed plz nerf.
I usually use his side b to recover and his up b for attacks, but usually I don't attack with up b. Smash attacks are really slow, he's kinda slow but not and his attacks are a bit sluggish. His Ariel attacks are his main thing about him tho. N a I r
I had Samsora to win Genesis, after beating Leo in winner's semis I really thought he could pull this off but I'm not disappointed and neither should he be after taking two sets to game 5 against the player many are calling the best right now. Samsora is going to be one to watch all year, he will be so scary as he optimises his Peach game and learns matchups.
@@MACA_Zeon what makes you so sure he will? We've had one round of updates, no Ike nerfs yet. One Ike in top 64 at Genesis, wielded by the player regarded by many as the best in the world, Ike OP please nerf because MkLeo won Genesis.
_Zeon _ Ike isnt getting nerfed. He’s not even a good character in comparison to pichu or peach. Are you asking them to get nerfed too? Or just bitching cause you don’t like ike
Ike is only easy at very low level of play; most who say he’s easy are lowkey bad. Beating Peach with Ike is a ridiculous accomplishment. This coming from a Pichu main.
I kinda know the solution my dude, play the game 24/7 questioning the reasson of your moves instead of other moves; do that with your one main character and you will see the improvement gradually.
Oh yeah i have no problem practicing. But damn. For example, I cannot get the timing for fast falling his air buttons down for Ike, or at least not online. I get it better with the joycons oddly enough, but i just cant get it with the pro controller. Idk, its alot easier with other characters but trying to get it consistently and killing me
Samsora played wonderfully. You can really see all the work and love he puts into his play. It's hard out there being a Peach main - he makes those dtilt/turnip combos look easy. He might have won if he was able to more reliably edge guard Ike's low recoveries.
Those of you taking credit away from MKleo's skill because "iKe iS oP": Go to any tournament and try to spam Nair to up Air you won't get far at all LMAO! MKleo makes it look easy but he is actually spacing out every Nair so that his opponent can't touch him. Very different from just spamming.
Peach isn't hard. Any moron can do her down tilt combo since it's so free as a setup. Stop acting as if there are any characters in this game that are super hard to play. There isn't very much that's technical in this game so far. It's largely just landing free combo setups.
I love how all the comments are about “stahp complaining about Leo’s Ike”, but I’ve literally not seen a comment talking about that, I just see people complaining about the supposed comments xd
Jonathan Terrell only if you have no idea how to play around NAIR. In literally the first 10 secs of the video samsora counters and punishes NAIR beautifully. Just use shield.
Shrish Vellore NAIR literally has no ending lag, so even if you shield it’s not 100% certain you will get a punish... He has grab combos, kill confirms, and amazing frame data with a disjoint..
Ike is kinda easy to use but that isn’t always a good thing, complex characters like snake suck for beginners but once you get good with him, you can wreck. Mkleo has to try a lot harder to beat some characters that are difficult but get op when used well. Ike isn’t broken geez, his kit is more simplistic than most
and Ike has his weaknesses too, he’s pretty slow and gets juggled a lot, he has bad recovery that is exploitable, etc , etc. you can’t just nair all the time and get to grand finals jeez
Yeah I agree, the linearity can be a disadvantage. He has less options in neutral than most characters. And obviously his recovery is very exploitable. I think samsora had so many opportunities to beat mkleos recovery this series and he kinda flubbed them (turnip opportunities, opportunities to use toad)
Ike is a noobstomper. He calls out bad spacing and punishes hard since he is a heavy with amazing range. That's how I see it. Nair is super good, there's no understating it. It's practically busted. But there are ways to get around it. Samsora actually does a great job of not getting hit too often with it imo. I'm okay with Ike being like this. I don't think every character can have sick combo game like Peach.
@@user-ms7ss7du1r Ike is simple and he hits hard, which are all things that make him look brain dead and attractive. He is not that easy against good players that understand how to space. People just like to whine about hard hitters. He's a heavy. Idk what people expect...is it the nair? It's like his only super powerful tool. The rest of his kit is either decent or not very good. His aerials are all great, but some of the things that shone the brightest with him are gone. His grab range is abysmal and his jabs OH GOD HIS JABS are pretty atrocious.
ok but seriously, ike's nair is one of the most dangerous moves for him to use as actually hitting it requires you to read an opportunity most heavies would have a hard time getting into, props to mkleo for reading each and every weakness his opponent had.
Dude... Everybody was saying that same thing about Tweek for weeks, almost a month. Now they are saying it about Leo. Damn you guys love to get ahead of yourselves. There are a couple of players that could easily become better than Leo if Leo were to sleep just a little bit. VoiD, Samsora, Light, Zackray, Gluttony, ZeRo, Nairo, ESAM and a couple others are currently breathing on Leo's neck.
david jurado Literally none of those players are “breathing down Leo’s neck.” With respect to them, the only person besides Leo to take a major has been Tweek, and Leo’s the only one to have a supermajor. Leo has a big lead legacy wise right now by taking a supermajor and a major, G6 and SC United respectively. People like you who are always like, “Don’t speculate things can change” are so annoying. Obviously things can change, but speculating is part of why spectating competition is fun. You must be pretty boring to talk about Smash Ultimate with if you’re afraid to make any predictions about an early-meta game.
@@neji360Airstrike Doesn't change the fact that she's higher tier. Besides, these are all top tier players so that high skill crap is a given. I'm pretty sure Ike only looks easy to use because of MkLeo. Who by the way is the only other Ike in the top 64. Leo is someone who made even smash 4 marth look op. By the way, arguably the best Ike player of sm4sh, Ryo, is still maining ike but isn't making a name for himself as much as Leo. Shows you that it's all the player, not the character.
I’ll always remember me and the rest of Louisiana cheering our butts off for Samsora. LOUISIANA REPRESENT. (Yes, I know he’s in Florida now but still.)
I feel like there is some room to implement it in ultimate honestly. I'm not sure, but they seem to come out really fast and could probably be a combo stopper for some characters.
Just because a character isn't broken doesn't mean they aren't top tier or derp. In a game this balanced it makes sense that you wouldn't see one character dominating tourney's since there are plenty of other characters that are arguably just as good too.
Daquan Curry Ike isn’t op, he’s high or top tier but since he’s (heavy) he gets combod a lot and his recovery is just bad. Same goes for cloud except he doesn’t have as much kill options and he’s lighter.
ZeldaRacer oh didnt knew Smash did stage bans. But isnt that kind of irrelevant? I mean, smash stages (the tournament legal stages) dont change much, just platform and screen borders distance, but some stages even have the option to choose the platforms you want.
@@Carlisho Take Kalos Pokemon League for example. The platforms are on the edge rather than floating in the middle like battlefield meaning different methods of killing/recovery. Each character can interact with each stage differently. Look at Final Destination, Battlefield, Town and City and Yoshi's island. Those are completely different stages. Stage pick/ban are just as vital as Character selection.
People who complain about mkleo being boring to watch or repetetive have no idea what pro play is, most pros have a very repetive play style, you want to know why? BECAUSE IT WINS GAMES, you can even see samsora doing this with the peach combo pros do whatever makes them win games so please shut up if you know nothing
The first stalk of the last game is some of the cleanest movement ive ever seen. Mkleo is just empty hopping and dancing around and samsora is all that too its just some fire smash.
Ike's up b dididnt get nerfed it's just the knock back got decrease still spike first instead chrom up b got nerfed that he dies first instead of the opponent...
I don’t get the people who say that Ike is “simple.” Yes, his kit is somewhat basic. But it’s how you use the kit to your advantage. I’ve seen a crap ton of Ike players-in and out of tournament. Their play styles are all incredibly different. Ike’s kit may be “simple,” but you can do a lot of different things with it. Ike also pushes good fundamentals. If you don’t have good fundamentals and you try to play Ike, you won’t get much accomplished.
Wonder why we don't see 8 Bayos in top 8 (or 8 Ikes)? It's called *G A M E B A L A N C E*. Sakurai did better in this game. Yeah, that includes Ike and Pichu. And everyone in the roaster BTW. Please, just be a good e-sportsman.
Yeah, in that last fight the stage was really in Ike´s favor. That alone lowered the chances of Samsora winning by a huge amount. And that Killconfirm at 78% smh... Yeah, Bad SDI my ass. Maybe in Pools but this is Samsora in Losers Finals we are talking about...
Are you dumb? Try to spam Nair with Ike on quickplay and see where that gets you...You might win a few but it doesn't work unless you have perfect spacing like MKleo. Jesus people are so dumb.
Their characters are sick. Their handshakes... needs some work
Rule #1 - Always fist bump
Austin 'Auddy' Davenport handshakes no good?
@@danielalvarado2150 See. This is why that shit happens. Because we can't agree as a community whether to handshake or fist bump.
Daniel Alvarado people from different regions handshake differently which can make for some awkward situations
@@isaiahcampbell3992 just handshake a fistbump
I feel like people don't watch the full set. MKLeo adapts really well to his opponent and corrects his miss spacing constantly. People don't give him the credit he deserves, they just go straight to, "Ike is brain dead easy".
Lunara* L This is exactly what I always have to tell people when they go “hE JUsT NaIRs!”
@@IzzyIsntReal If you look closely at Ike's playstyle. It's very similar, if not the same, as you play the FE game itself. Think about it: Ike needs spacing to get his attack for minimum punishment. In FE, if you don't position your character(s) well, they'll either heavily wounded or die. Sure, Ike hits very hard, but that doesn't mean you can just swing around blindly and you'll get a kill. Ike needs to predict when and where his opponent goes, just like how you bait your enemy and be aware of your surrounding. And even though Nair to up air looks simple and easy to pull off, it's not guarantee, just like the RNG in the game(s). You need to form a plan on the spot, which is what FE is about. And learn where to land, when to jump, etc.
So in my opinion, Ike is basically how the FE games work. Idk if I made my point clear. (Also Greg Chun is making his legend with being Ike's new VA from FEH)
Joker carries
@@LightDriveGamingDid you even see the video? Ike isn't even good either.
@@lmao2302 I would say Ike is A tier/high tier. Not a top tier but I can also understand if you say Ike is a mid tier. I still think he an A/high tier.
To everyone who says Ike is OP, Easy, Braindead, or whatever--I don't get it. He's now a solid character with a consistent combo game and great kill confirms. These are things I used to WISH Ike would have back in S4, since he was so 'bleh' of a character. Why are people so against the game just having good characters?
Finally someone says it. People just want this game to be fox vs fox too
People are against Ike killing people at 0% from the suicide and stringing together 3 hit combos from a platform that kill, while other characters have to do so much more. Ike doesn’t have to win neutral he just needs one string to tie any game up
ike having those things is fine if every other character has it or has something equivalent to it but they don't.
@@searingvortex4082 lmao yeah sure buddy you go play Ike at a big tournament with that mentality, let's see how far you go
@@shininimus lol
So Samsora has the Cynthia tag and plays the black clad peach...and plays the cynthia battle theme on the pokemon stages.
Best Champion. Also, black clad Rosalina looks so much like Cynthia.
Tbh, the backlash reminds me of how people would say watching Zero play wasn't interesting. But it sure brought him a ton of wins.
All the backlash are from shit players through and through. Same calibre of players that complain about Jigglypuff being good in Melee.
@SSBM Tobi The chat was chock-full of 'em and I've seen it on both Twitter and UA-cam comments. "Leo's Ike isn't entertaining to watch" "Fair, nair, nair, uair, uair" "Boring ass plays" "No brain", etc.
After zero its easier to recognize that being dominant will bring you more hate than anybody else. When leo came up everybody praised him bc zero was still in the game. Now thats hes _the guy_ in smash U so far the tides switched against him.
Schweise also leo loses to light back at glitch and nobody says shit and forgets about ike for a while but when leo wins a tournament we have a problem now LUL
@@itscoolthough419 Exactly, for a non-smash example, just look at how many people absolutely loathe Tom Brady.
Ike isn't OP at all imo. He's so easily edge guarded, Leo just makes him look OP. He's so good
Squid W Leo makes everything look OP
The same thing as zacharie's wolf
It's true. I play Ike as one of my secondaries, and MkLeo's makes mine look like 80% of Melee's cast: useless.
Being Op its not the problem, the problem is that he is just "Nair the character", i think that he is just like cloud in Smash 4, his playstyle is boring and a little braindead, but agree, Mk Leo is awesome
@@goleon7671 Leo is working with his kit and he's amazing with it. I guarantee that even without his nair confirms, Leo would still wipe people out with Ike. He knows this character so well. Also, his ability to recover with Ike is easily the most impressive thing imo lol.
Mkleo gonna be the next zero with how half the community hate him for winning and existing
As long as MKLeo doesn't preach about how he's the #1 player in Ultimate, I dont think many people will care.
The LR Project I hate tweet nerd wario
@@inplane9970 ZeRo did that all the time lmao now look at him
@@hatsunemiku8007 That's exactly my point. Now ZeRo is pretty much an irrelevant joke. A UA-cam meme at best.
@@inplane9970 Fuck off.
5:26 that was absolutely filthy
That handshake Y I K E S
Oh baby, to many comments about that awful handshake and im in the mid time video, i can wait to see it. Xd
Way to hype it up even though it was literally nothing. Jesus.
ua-cam.com/video/mXYXbp5NNbY/v-deo.html same here at 10:19 lol
That was it! I would fuck up a handshake after that intense set.
@@Mentaclink Shut the fuck up dude lol such a killjoy
Upload the Grand Finals please.
Mr.MedTech have they already happened
@@polopolo931 Yes they have. They have as private so we can't see
Already up
People still saying Ike is OP, but remember how everyone thought Wario was top tier after Glitch and Inkling was called the best character in Ultimate shortly after release? One Ike in Genesis top 64, if you still think he's easy you go win EVO with him and see how easy that will be.
And how Leffen said PT was basically the best char, well rounded and no faults (with 5 top 128 appearances). But now that he lost he's saying PT is trash and that Ike and MM are OP.
@@adrianordp bullshit. He thinks PT has the pontential to be the best character in the game but he said himself that PT is too difficult to be consistent with so that's why he's dropping the character. (Or atleast he's playing him as a secondary)
1. Wario is top tier 2. Marss plays ike
1. Wario is not top tier, get over this obsession with tiers, every second character is being called top tier by someone.
2. I forgot Marss existed, two Ike mains in top 64 Ike OP confirmed plz nerf.
@@SlifWon 1. He is top tier. Anyone who doesn't think that is delusional 2. Never said Ike was op, just saying there were 2 in top 64
Ike's good on the stage, but his recovery is pretty bad. His attacks are also pretty slow. That's balance, folks.
joe chu That’s how Mafia works
Space Kraken that’s a dead meme 😄😄😄
shut the fuck up joe
I usually use his side b to recover and his up b for attacks, but usually I don't attack with up b. Smash attacks are really slow, he's kinda slow but not and his attacks are a bit sluggish. His Ariel attacks are his main thing about him tho. N a I r
the commentators in this video are literally the best lmfao
Yes! Who's the one with the glasses on the left? He's hilarious!
From left to right: EE, TKBreezy, D1
@@youtubefrog2388 thanks y'all
That is The Black Plague my friend :)
this aged poorly
I had Samsora to win Genesis, after beating Leo in winner's semis I really thought he could pull this off but I'm not disappointed and neither should he be after taking two sets to game 5 against the player many are calling the best right now.
Samsora is going to be one to watch all year, he will be so scary as he optimises his Peach game and learns matchups.
If he beat Void, I'd have given him at least a 50% chance of winning it all.
Slif_One and when Ike gets nerfed
@@MACA_Zeon what makes you so sure he will? We've had one round of updates, no Ike nerfs yet. One Ike in top 64 at Genesis, wielded by the player regarded by many as the best in the world, Ike OP please nerf because MkLeo won Genesis.
_Zeon _ Ike isnt getting nerfed. He’s not even a good character in comparison to pichu or peach. Are you asking them to get nerfed too? Or just bitching cause you don’t like ike
why arent they uploading the GF??
Creating expectations
Leo said Cloud is his best swordsman, won GF with Lucina and people are complaining about his Ike lol
I don't think it's his Ike, just Ike in general
@@smashbrother980 go and win then
@@chony93 My skills are irrelevant, Ike is easy, some people choose to use him, others don't
chony93 I hate when people use that point
@@smashbrother980 lol
I don't care how "low skill" Ike is now. Leo makes him look so incredibly fluid and it's really fun to watch.
Cheshire Matt I wouldn’t say low skill easy to play hard to master imo
Ike's not low skill though. It's easy asf to bully Ike. MKleo's just a good player.
rpsyco i play ike and i get bullied by roy
Ike is only easy at very low level of play; most who say he’s easy are lowkey bad. Beating Peach with Ike is a ridiculous accomplishment. This coming from a Pichu main.
MK Leo beat Samsora, Light, and Void, the best players I've seen thus far in smash ultimate... What a God.
Damn I wish I could play Ike like that, or even just be decent in smash in general lmao.
Me too I'm booty at this game ;)
Practice edge guarding.
I kinda know the solution my dude, play the game 24/7 questioning the reasson of your moves instead of other moves; do that with your one main character and you will see the improvement gradually.
Oh yeah i have no problem practicing. But damn. For example, I cannot get the timing for fast falling his air buttons down for Ike, or at least not online. I get it better with the joycons oddly enough, but i just cant get it with the pro controller. Idk, its alot easier with other characters but trying to get it consistently and killing me
Samsora played wonderfully. You can really see all the work and love he puts into his play. It's hard out there being a Peach main - he makes those dtilt/turnip combos look easy. He might have won if he was able to more reliably edge guard Ike's low recoveries.
Those of you taking credit away from MKleo's skill because "iKe iS oP": Go to any tournament and try to spam Nair to up Air you won't get far at all LMAO! MKleo makes it look easy but he is actually spacing out every Nair so that his opponent can't touch him. Very different from just spamming.
Piranha Plant the truest thing ever, I legit just tested Ike in online and I just spammed nair and that didn’t do jack shit
I agree that leo is the one who carries Ike but I saw him getting shieldgrabbed after nair a lot
"Went from Cardi B to Cardi B-" lmao
- EE
Ike isnt OP but hes also not very technical, especially compared to peach.
couldn't be so right
That doesn't mean he's easier to win with, I mean, I think I saw just one more Ike in the tournament other than Leo's.
But you're right
MKLeo is more technical than his opponents.
Peach isn't hard. Any moron can do her down tilt combo since it's so free as a setup. Stop acting as if there are any characters in this game that are super hard to play. There isn't very much that's technical in this game so far. It's largely just landing free combo setups.
Q B Lmao ok buddy
MkLeo turn the tide. Still proving why he’s the best
I'd say they're evenly matched samsora won the first set and knocked him into losers
GHXSTLEADER Yup, but that’s why I said he turn the tide.
I love how all the comments are about “stahp complaining about Leo’s Ike”, but I’ve literally not seen a comment talking about that, I just see people complaining about the supposed comments xd
Either they're deleted or they're referring to the mountains of ResidentSleepers on Twitch
I can’t believe everyone is complaining about ike.
Ike.... Ike.. People are complaining about fucking ike..... Oh what an amazing game smash ultimate is.
I'd never imagine that even a year ago.
You can’t even deny he’s not fucking OP
Jonathan Terrell only if you have no idea how to play around NAIR. In literally the first 10 secs of the video samsora counters and punishes NAIR beautifully. Just use shield.
Shrish Vellore NAIR literally has no ending lag, so even if you shield it’s not 100% certain you will get a punish... He has grab combos, kill confirms, and amazing frame data with a disjoint..
Samsora wasn’t feeling that handshake
I won’t call anyone the best in 2nd month of Ultimate, but Leo, Samsora, Tweek and VoiD seem to be the best players so far until the meta develops
Awestin imo is top tier
Sir_Ruru Never travels and you cant rank a player who wont go to majors
A year into the game Leo's 1st Sam is 2nd and Tweek is 3rd. Nairo was really close but yeah. I don't think Void is top 10.
Nooo. Samsoraa 😭😭😭😭😭 He was so close :(
Thry both did very good though.
can someone explain to me why every one picks the PoR Ike over the RD skin??
I believe it is because PoR Ike is a bit shorter than RD Ike causing a smaller hitbox. It could also be because he looks cooler.
@@phatboi9962 Nothing is cooler than RD Ike (Daddy Ike) but for real, I'm sure they're the same height. Maybe people like PoR Ike victory quotes more
I use it because its new
We live in a world where pichu is in grand finals against ike
@Diego Cifuentes That's because MKLeo didn't use ike for some werid reason.
GDKsan ike is too slow for pichu
GDKsan okay.. you still said GF was Pichu vs Ike lol🤦♂️
Ike is kinda easy to use but that isn’t always a good thing, complex characters like snake suck for beginners but once you get good with him, you can wreck. Mkleo has to try a lot harder to beat some characters that are difficult but get op when used well. Ike isn’t broken geez, his kit is more simplistic than most
and Ike has his weaknesses too, he’s pretty slow and gets juggled a lot, he has bad recovery that is exploitable, etc , etc. you can’t just nair all the time and get to grand finals jeez
if you go to elite smash with Ike he doesn’t become easy to use he actually gets quite difficult but he does have moves that help like snake
Yeah I agree, the linearity can be a disadvantage. He has less options in neutral than most characters. And obviously his recovery is very exploitable. I think samsora had so many opportunities to beat mkleos recovery this series and he kinda flubbed them (turnip opportunities, opportunities to use toad)
Hands down one of the sickest matches I’ve ever seen
what if I told you ike is just smash 4 cloud but for switch? everyone hates him until he's offstage
Ike is a noobstomper. He calls out bad spacing and punishes hard since he is a heavy with amazing range. That's how I see it. Nair is super good, there's no understating it. It's practically busted. But there are ways to get around it. Samsora actually does a great job of not getting hit too often with it imo. I'm okay with Ike being like this. I don't think every character can have sick combo game like Peach.
jay Ike’s good but his moves are exploitable and he’s slow. I just wish people would understand that Ike isn’t brain-dead easy to use
@@user-ms7ss7du1r Ike is simple and he hits hard, which are all things that make him look brain dead and attractive. He is not that easy against good players that understand how to space. People just like to whine about hard hitters. He's a heavy. Idk what people expect...is it the nair? It's like his only super powerful tool. The rest of his kit is either decent or not very good. His aerials are all great, but some of the things that shone the brightest with him are gone. His grab range is abysmal and his jabs OH GOD HIS JABS are pretty atrocious.
I find it really cool how Mkleo sacrifices Ike's usual ledge trapping strategy for a more consistent/safe approach.
Uhhh where is grand finals?
ok but seriously, ike's nair is one of the most dangerous moves for him to use as actually hitting it requires you to read an opportunity most heavies would have a hard time getting into, props to mkleo for reading each and every weakness his opponent had.
5:25 min the moment Samsora’s soul got crushed and realized he would lose the Finals vs Leo. Daaaaaamn!
10:06 "You don't wanna trade with the Ragnell"
Well, you actually CAN'T trade the Ragnell.
There’s no doubt. MkLeo is the greatest (so far) in Ultimate
Dude... Everybody was saying that same thing about Tweek for weeks, almost a month. Now they are saying it about Leo. Damn you guys love to get ahead of yourselves. There are a couple of players that could easily become better than Leo if Leo were to sleep just a little bit. VoiD, Samsora, Light, Zackray, Gluttony, ZeRo, Nairo, ESAM and a couple others are currently breathing on Leo's neck.
david jurado I have a question. Why does this comment trigger you so much?
david jurado Also, I said “so far”. We all know it can change later. Just give the guy credit he just won Genesis 6
david jurado Literally none of those players are “breathing down Leo’s neck.” With respect to them, the only person besides Leo to take a major has been Tweek, and Leo’s the only one to have a supermajor. Leo has a big lead legacy wise right now by taking a supermajor and a major, G6 and SC United respectively.
People like you who are always like, “Don’t speculate things can change” are so annoying. Obviously things can change, but speculating is part of why spectating competition is fun. You must be pretty boring to talk about Smash Ultimate with if you’re afraid to make any predictions about an early-meta game.
What happend to Zer0?
Leo fights for his friends
no he doesn’t, HE FIGHTS HIS FRIENDS
Why are people complaining about Ike when Peach is the higher tier character?
totaly agree with u dude
Because Peach is a high skill/high reward character. You have to be amazing at inputs to make Peach a top tier character. Ike is just easier to use.
@@neji360Airstrike Doesn't change the fact that she's higher tier. Besides, these are all top tier players so that high skill crap is a given.
I'm pretty sure Ike only looks easy to use because of MkLeo. Who by the way is the only other Ike in the top 64. Leo is someone who made even smash 4 marth look op. By the way, arguably the best Ike player of sm4sh, Ryo, is still maining ike but isn't making a name for himself as much as Leo. Shows you that it's all the player, not the character.
@@mle1872 I'm not discrediting the player. I'm just saying Ike would be easier to pick up then Peach.
5:25
REDEMPTION from Leo
I’ll always remember me and the rest of Louisiana cheering our butts off for Samsora. LOUISIANA REPRESENT. (Yes, I know he’s in Florida now but still.)
WHO DAT
Why do I never see pros use counter in the smash ultimate tournaments
Easily punishable, especially in this game there's so much cool down on them.
I feel like there is some room to implement it in ultimate honestly. I'm not sure, but they seem to come out really fast and could probably be a combo stopper for some characters.
Just because a character isn't broken doesn't mean they aren't top tier or derp. In a game this balanced it makes sense that you wouldn't see one character dominating tourney's since there are plenty of other characters that are arguably just as good too.
No some characters will eventually dominate thats just how it works
@@thefuzzypickle8277 That's literally what I was saying though. I just said it be more than just a few most likely.
5:35 that laugh 😂
People who call ike op are either bad at the game or use fox
#changemymind
AGREED
Daquan Curry Ike isn’t op, he’s high or top tier but since he’s (heavy) he gets combod a lot and his recovery is just bad. Same goes for cloud except he doesn’t have as much kill options and he’s lighter.
@@user-ms7ss7du1r I know that he isn't op I feel there's nothing op about ike imo
That’s true, his kits easier to use than most but that doesn’t always mean a good thing because you don’t have many options
Ike is not OP, Peach just struggles with most of the sworders because they outrange her. Her best way in is basically to spam them with her turnips.
20:37 smash players be like
Damn sam! What a good fn job! Samsora is sooo good those peach combos are incredibly difficult to pull off and he’s so versatile and good with them !
Where is grand finals?
Does anyone know why the players stand up to the side of the table? Sometimes I see them looking at a paper too, what are they doing?
ZeldaRacer oh didnt knew Smash did stage bans. But isnt that kind of irrelevant? I mean, smash stages (the tournament legal stages) dont change much, just platform and screen borders distance, but some stages even have the option to choose the platforms you want.
@@Carlisho Take Kalos Pokemon League for example. The platforms are on the edge rather than floating in the middle like battlefield meaning different methods of killing/recovery.
Each character can interact with each stage differently. Look at Final Destination, Battlefield, Town and City and Yoshi's island. Those are completely different stages.
Stage pick/ban are just as vital as Character selection.
I'm new to competitive smash, why does no one use Ike's counter move?
4:04 We honestly have the best commentators
People who complain about mkleo being boring to watch or repetetive have no idea what pro play is, most pros have a very repetive play style, you want to know why? BECAUSE IT WINS GAMES, you can even see samsora doing this with the peach combo pros do whatever makes them win games so please shut up if you know nothing
I actually love watching Ike minus his yelling for every move
this game showed me that being sick at this game is more about knowing what your opponent wants to do and then mixing it up accordingly
At the top level its all mind games, they all have basically the same level of fundamentals its comes down to who can read their opponent better.
Fuck the haters Mkleo, keep winning and shut them up
The first stalk of the last game is some of the cleanest movement ive ever seen. Mkleo is just empty hopping and dancing around and samsora is all that too its just some fire smash.
Does Samsora use c-stick for his forward air I need to know!!!!!!
Wondered the same
Yes he does
at 05:30 can someone tell me whats he saying???
Where is The Video of mk leo Winning ???????????????
20:36 feelsbadman
20:35 awkward handshake
This is proof MKLeo is the goat. The amount of difference in skill needed to beat a Peach with Ike is huge. Crazy outplays.
wheres grand finals ?
This is how it happened. This is how LEO won from losers Top 8.
Me seeing peach making it this far does put a smile on my face
Samsora you are amazing
5:25
Im not even mad at this. I just need to know why Ike is still able to do that while they nerfed Chrom up B...
dude they both got nerfed i saw a video on it, i just honestly dont know how mkleo made ike's work lol
It only got nerfed slightly so Ike and Chrom are more likely be first to die when they suicide. As you saw however, when you're up a stock, go for it.
Ike's up b dididnt get nerfed it's just the knock back got decrease still spike first instead chrom up b got nerfed that he dies first instead of the opponent...
Is zero in this tournament?
Nope, he skipped it.
Nope he would have taken a fat L
I love how d1 is explaining dash dancing at 8:50 like he never commentated melee, cmon bro.
@Adriel Cannon Exactly.
I don’t get the people who say that Ike is “simple.” Yes, his kit is somewhat basic. But it’s how you use the kit to your advantage. I’ve seen a crap ton of Ike players-in and out of tournament. Their play styles are all incredibly different. Ike’s kit may be “simple,” but you can do a lot of different things with it. Ike also pushes good fundamentals. If you don’t have good fundamentals and you try to play Ike, you won’t get much accomplished.
Wonder why we don't see 8 Bayos in top 8 (or 8 Ikes)? It's called *G A M E B A L A N C E*.
Sakurai did better in this game. Yeah, that includes Ike and Pichu. And everyone in the roaster BTW.
Please, just be a good e-sportsman.
FROM CARDI B TO CARDI B MINUS
Got Sora looking like Fatality or Elegant with these damn combos.
5:30 LMAO
4:08 que masacre
Good job with uploading these fast but where’s our GF?
Samsora is a beast, sad he lost but Mkleo earned it. Also these commentators are everything
Peach is scary in this game :O
So now Zero is becoming the smash youtuber while Leo becomes the best smash player. Fair enough
At the end they decided to play rock paper xD
Samsora gets 0-70 commentators wooooooow
Mkleo 0 to death samsora ehh that was a 0 to death.
Yeah, in that last fight the stage was really in Ike´s favor. That alone lowered the chances of Samsora winning by a huge amount. And that Killconfirm at 78% smh... Yeah, Bad SDI my ass. Maybe in Pools but this is Samsora in Losers Finals we are talking about...
Ike made it to losers finals in a super major.
Looking at where the game is now, that's actually pretty mad.
Ike’s Nair didn’t change, and got all other buffs, then he could have my main
Nobody:
Comments: IkE iSiNt BrOkEn MkLeO iS jUsT tHaT gOoD.
Are you dumb? Try to spam Nair with Ike on quickplay and see where that gets you...You might win a few but it doesn't work unless you have perfect spacing like MKleo. Jesus people are so dumb.
McBanana I really was just memeing
I Noticed
@@unnoticed9988 i appreciate your memes sir
Saul Muratalla thank you good sir.
Handshake>Fist bump
I’m kinda sad we’re not seeing MK from MKLeo anymore...
He didnt even get his name because he played MK
It was his first sponsor and also his brothers shop and team, he just stuck with it
Oh my god people, just shake hands. Give it up with the fist bumps, you're just playing yourselves.
Trace Palmatier sweaty hands though
Hahaha the akward hand shake at 20:36
その場回避の解説動画見てから来た同志おる？
Remember when Ike was OP ? Lmao
Damm Peach is so fucking good.
That's fucking right 🇲🇽💪🏼
Playing some rock, paper, scissors at the end there.