I Believe there is a bug with crop rotation not correctly showing upgraded crops correctly, had T3 only crops when harvested a T4 crop was in it. Seen the bug in a couple of other videos explaining crop rotation.
You want to take the "drought" passive for the lifeforce you WANT. You get less crops of the good lifeforce which allows more plots to be able to feed into it.
That was my thinking too. Have you encountered a Harvest without the one you want yet? That was my main concern. But started the League late and just finished Atlas so couldn't test it properly.
idk if it's worth but since you're running Grand Design you can also go for Overload Circuits as Harbinger only have 3 notables associated with it anyway, that saves you around 7 passives at the cost of +6c each map.
@aroace7913 yes but Edlritch Gaze has 50% increased of upsides (quantity) and Wrath of the Cosmos does not, so you get far more quantity with Eater of Worlds altars.
@@Senny_Vyes but Edlritch Gaze has 50% increased of upsides (quantity) and Wrath of the Cosmos does not, so you get far more quantity with Eater of Worlds altars.
@@MinisculeBug That is not even close to worth it when you really rush the harvest, quant in general does not add much overall to harvest also that 30 - 40 is maybe 6 - 10 per rare more and you also have to wait and read and pick that option which is all time you could spend doing more harvests.
Maybe I'm missing something here. But "Grand Design" should disable all 3 of the nodes you took to reduce the chance of getting purple plots since they are small passives.
Seems like ideally you want to have 5 harvests and juice up one with two yellow crops so you can select the one that generates a boss or better crop and 10% chance for other to not wilt. 100% juice sextant prevents that ability.
all the stratergies you have done are kind of a high investment...anything for like a casual player to make come C or Divine sooner? without anything than a rusted scarab and any compas thats more than 5c? also other than boss rushing?
@@Milkybk_ I don't know if I'm not lucky but I'm running blue double life force sextant and with the notable to block blue I'm getting only blue/blue crops 🤣
Hewwo. If I take ALL of the reduced chance to grow x colour, do I get less crops? It reads the crops have less chance to grow plants of a certain colour, so my guess is that first the map rolls for number of crops, then those crops roll for colour, meaning if I take all the nodes I get balanced crops at no cost (except the passives), but if a crop can get removed because it didn't roll any of the colours, that'd be terrible. Has anyone tested?
I tried this shit yesterday, and 4 maps in a row I did not get a single blue tier mob. I literally got ZERO juice from the maps doing this and unspecced immediately.
@@AdskyDimon yah I saw the clips of ppl getting 5k juice or some crap, but I was like I can’t pay 130c for two sextants and get 0 return.. not sure where I messed up or if I was actually unlucky
@@TheDaniel746 I tried it again last night. It’s absolute dogshit. You get way more overall just doing it the normal way. You might get a jackpot sometime but getting 1400 juice over 4 maps when you don’t is so bad.
what is the reason you use blight scarabs if you focus on harvest and harbringers? same goes for metamorph, abyss and incursion on the tree? why do you block harvest mechanic and i don't rly see any good explanations for all those questions
as mentioned, growing hordes disables the effect of scarabs and instead gives packsize, so you can use any scarab. Blocking harvest adds a notable for the grand design keystone effect. The harvest itself is guaranteed by the compass
Also, speccing the block nodes doesnt meant forced content from the map device wont spawn. And so it is a very valueable notable to pick up for the packsize increase you get from Grand Design. Hope that helps
It doesn't really, I could get between 500-900 juice each map without crop rotation. It doesn't worth the time investment and constantly checking crops which to upgrade
@@zozokaa Fair assesment, tho i do gotta say, the checking crops if you get in the flow takes now time at all, u just never go to yellow crops until last, and the first one you sack is either blue or purple depending on price. takes me maybe 10 seconds to decide
City Square being cheap in bulk is questionnable. I always favorite City Square because it tend to be the highest valued map of all... or close to it, with match on Canyon, Beach, Dunes and other popular maps. Crimson Temple turns cheap as too many people favorite it, leaving an oversupply on the market. It's the one map I never touch as a favorite because I'd rather buy them and sell the more valuable maps... like City Square. Let's test if my theory is right at the moment. It will generally be overtime. If you want over 22 City Square, it is possible to get them for 4c, but most listings are at 5. Right now if you'd want over 22 Crimson Temple, lowest listing is at 3.5c per and most are at 4. Yep, City Square now is already the more expensive map, it always have been. Crimson Temple is always a cheap map every league since last expansion when the div card was added... it's just so overly supplied by the market that people compete to sell at the best price. Favorite City Square, buy Crimson Temple, you'll always profit.
Good catch, a bad assumption on my part, i assumed the MFers would be printing City Squares as a consequence of it being adjacent and as a result reducing the price, i'll be more through in the future 👍🏻
@@Milkybk_ Yes, many people overly care of sustaining the map they want to run for some reason. To me, I just want the maps I drop the most of sell for the largest amount. So I always favorite what sell well at a good price. Checked a bit more and the best map to favorite for sale value atm seem to be Strand. So there I will switch my favorite to Strand (5c min price, most are at 6c). I always adjust my favorite according to generic sale value. If the map I drop is worth 1.5x the map I am running, why would I want to drop the map I am running?
investing in maps is just not worth the time, the downtime of getting those stuff is just not worth. doing wandering path with harvest without buying maps and using that to invest in magic pack size and 4 scarab. 5c investment per map can net you 5 div an hour.
@@Milkybk_10 mins if you dont hunt the lowest price and have 10div+ to spare for buying in bulk several pricy items. Not feasible for people who are looking to start juicing cause they have 1-3 spare div and they want to farm more.
@@AdskyDimonnot true those are just excuses, ppl just choose to be lazy. It’s really easy to get sextants, which is arguably the most time consuming part. If you have one divine then you could buy a couple of each, if you have 10 then buy enough to prep 40 maps. Getting in the habit of having everything ready so you can just bang out some maps is a good strat, but like you said you can just alch and go for much less profit per map.
@@tommylongschlong3646 right right. Harvest sextant is 70c per, juice 50-70c per, beyond 30c, what else he uses? harby? 15c, for a total of 160-190c per sextant set, which lasts only 4 maps. No couples, only one set per divine, 3 sets per 2div. 12 maps, 2000juice each map on avg, thats 24k/8k=3 div of juice. You barely break even if you get 2k per map, and the only profit you make is the bubblegum and random drops. And no way you will find it enjoyable to buy single compasses when you have 1div. Cause thats not bulk, thats single sales, meaning you hotta spam 146 people before one answers.
@@AdskyDimon you literally double your investment every single time. I run possess monsters drop gilded so I can sustain gilded scarabs 26c, sacred grove 60, yellow juice doubled 70c, legion 45c. I have no investment on scarabs atm except some trash polished ones I use in the 4th slot. 20c for 4 maps that I roll myself and 24c for 4 legions. That’s around 245c for 4 maps, which is covered easily with just yellow juice alone. That means basically that every single drop outside of one color of harvest juice is profit. It’s really consistent and easy. No one WANTS to go through setting all this stuff up, but if you WANT to make the most of your time then you should.
cheeeeeers~ trying to enjoy scarab run test for expedition but its so hard ot find useful things ot combo with it hahaha~ seriously going ot crop rotate harvest with it but since i have only 2 voidstones and hate sextants i might try a pseudo alch and go super high % chance for both options with growing hoards idk but its very very interesting strategy to give me for the method and thats way more fun haha cheeeers. worst case i drop it later lol
May I ask why did you apply abyss point that is between shrines and harvest and also the point of metamorph, although you already banned these two mechanic?
@@juliennourry6801 Not sure on prices tbh. I always use the spawn chance since I get up to 75 % and it is so much easier for me since I would forget to put in a compass charge after every 4 map.
I personally just do alch and go and only focus on getting the yellow since that is what people want ^^
I Believe there is a bug with crop rotation not correctly showing upgraded crops correctly, had T3 only crops when harvested a T4 crop was in it. Seen the bug in a couple of other videos explaining crop rotation.
Yeah i ran into this and forgot to mention it! Gotta count them which is super annoying
I saw Tuna tested it and he got 2 times less juice than with it. But he did not used Grand design, but full Harest and map bonuses nodes + 2 sextants
You want to take the "drought" passive for the lifeforce you WANT. You get less crops of the good lifeforce which allows more plots to be able to feed into it.
That was my thinking too. Have you encountered a Harvest without the one you want yet? That was my main concern. But started the League late and just finished Atlas so couldn't test it properly.
I took all the other colors and so far I always end up with a yellow at the end - so.....Id say its not so obvious.
actualy you might be right ...........yeah bc you def do NOT want a double of the color you want....that blocks 1 extra "feed"
idk if it's worth but since you're running Grand Design you can also go for Overload Circuits as Harbinger only have 3 notables associated with it anyway, that saves you around 7 passives at the cost of +6c each map.
how does this keystone do in alch and go? no compasses basically?
Glad you're doing this series again. You helped me out a lot last league with currency making
I've tried both with and without crop rotation. I don't know which is better profit, but it's just not fun for me without it.
I love this series!
Awesome vid! Is this still as good?
Does city square still give now better altar amount if compare to others?
honestly blue altars are better for harvest since they actually affect the amount of lifeforce you get
You also get quant and rarity from red altars, and the delay in spawns is super annoying.
Exarch also has quant altars.
@aroace7913 yes but Edlritch Gaze has 50% increased of upsides (quantity) and Wrath of the Cosmos does not, so you get far more quantity with Eater of Worlds altars.
@@Senny_Vyes but Edlritch Gaze has 50% increased of upsides (quantity) and Wrath of the Cosmos does not, so you get far more quantity with Eater of Worlds altars.
@@MinisculeBug
That is not even close to worth it when you really rush the harvest, quant in general does not add much overall to harvest also that 30 - 40 is maybe 6 - 10 per rare more and you also have to wait and read and pick that option which is all time you could spend doing more harvests.
Does anyone know what MTX he's using for the way the mobs are exploding?
What about combining this with Blight?
Maybe I'm missing something here. But "Grand Design" should disable all 3 of the nodes you took to reduce the chance of getting purple plots since they are small passives.
Just small ones mate
@@Milkybk_ I understand that. And those are small nodes, not notables. I suppose wild drought still counts tho 🤔
@@bagboybrown How else is he supposed to get to the crop rotation notable?
@@Beypocket he has to get to it. It just sucks it's so far
Well yeah, but how else are you gonna get to the end
Great, your vid become better and better, simpler explain, shorter. Gj mate !
Appreciate it mate
Seems like ideally you want to have 5 harvests and juice up one with two yellow crops so you can select the one that generates a boss or better crop and 10% chance for other to not wilt. 100% juice sextant prevents that ability.
all the stratergies you have done are kind of a high investment...anything for like a casual player to make come C or Divine sooner? without anything than a rusted scarab and any compas thats more than 5c? also other than boss rushing?
Blight is pretty good just throw on a rusted blight, I have a guide on Maxroll
Is that a herald effect that gives those sparkly explosions?
Yessir, Despair Herald
Thank you very much!@@Milkybk_
What build is this
But taking grand design, doesn't help out with blocking the color you have on your sextant ??
The Notable still applies. just not the small ones
@@Milkybk_ I don't know if I'm not lucky but I'm running blue double life force sextant and with the notable to block blue I'm getting only blue/blue crops 🤣
what build is that!
Hewwo.
If I take ALL of the reduced chance to grow x colour, do I get less crops?
It reads the crops have less chance to grow plants of a certain colour, so my guess is that first the map rolls for number of crops, then those crops roll for colour, meaning if I take all the nodes I get balanced crops at no cost (except the passives), but if a crop can get removed because it didn't roll any of the colours, that'd be terrible.
Has anyone tested?
Nah you're just more likely to get the altenative colours
@@Milkybk_ B-b-b-beast, thanks, just gonna spend the extra points then.
I tried this shit yesterday, and 4 maps in a row I did not get a single blue tier mob. I literally got ZERO juice from the maps doing this and unspecced immediately.
either unlucky like hell, or doing smth wrong
@@AdskyDimon yah I saw the clips of ppl getting 5k juice or some crap, but I was like I can’t pay 130c for two sextants and get 0 return.. not sure where I messed up or if I was actually unlucky
Yesterday i fought 3 harvest bosses in one harvest with crop rotation. Its definitely worth it.
@@TheDaniel746 I tried it again last night. It’s absolute dogshit. You get way more overall just doing it the normal way. You might get a jackpot sometime but getting 1400 juice over 4 maps when you don’t is so bad.
@@tommylongschlong3646 i highly suspect you're doing something wrong cause ive been getting harvest bosses quite consistently
You wasted 2 points in the skilltree by not pathing through the middle quant/rarity small passives towards heart of the grove
good spot cheers mate
what is the reason you use blight scarabs if you focus on harvest and harbringers? same goes for metamorph, abyss and incursion on the tree? why do you block harvest mechanic and i don't rly see any good explanations for all those questions
He uses the keystone that increases packsize per scarab
Growing hordes consumes the scarabs to add packsize - we don't get the additional effect from them
as mentioned, growing hordes disables the effect of scarabs and instead gives packsize, so you can use any scarab. Blocking harvest adds a notable for the grand design keystone effect. The harvest itself is guaranteed by the compass
Also, speccing the block nodes doesnt meant forced content from the map device wont spawn. And so it is a very valueable notable to pick up for the packsize increase you get from Grand Design. Hope that helps
Reckon crop rotation gives better profit than just running it harvest w/o (but with all the other harvest notes obv)
It doesn't really, I could get between 500-900 juice each map without crop rotation. It doesn't worth the time investment and constantly checking crops which to upgrade
@@zozokaa Fair assesment, tho i do gotta say, the checking crops if you get in the flow takes now time at all, u just never go to yellow crops until last, and the first one you sack is either blue or purple depending on price. takes me maybe 10 seconds to decide
Doing normal harvest is more reliable since you avg 2.5k per map with same investment
Yep for sure - this is just a fun alternative imo
That is all juice though, if you want to sell on specific juice than it is fantastic.
2.5 with what Atlas tree? Could you share?
City Square being cheap in bulk is questionnable. I always favorite City Square because it tend to be the highest valued map of all... or close to it, with match on Canyon, Beach, Dunes and other popular maps.
Crimson Temple turns cheap as too many people favorite it, leaving an oversupply on the market. It's the one map I never touch as a favorite because I'd rather buy them and sell the more valuable maps... like City Square.
Let's test if my theory is right at the moment. It will generally be overtime. If you want over 22 City Square, it is possible to get them for 4c, but most listings are at 5. Right now if you'd want over 22 Crimson Temple, lowest listing is at 3.5c per and most are at 4. Yep, City Square now is already the more expensive map, it always have been. Crimson Temple is always a cheap map every league since last expansion when the div card was added... it's just so overly supplied by the market that people compete to sell at the best price.
Favorite City Square, buy Crimson Temple, you'll always profit.
Good catch, a bad assumption on my part, i assumed the MFers would be printing City Squares as a consequence of it being adjacent and as a result reducing the price, i'll be more through in the future 👍🏻
@@Milkybk_ Yes, many people overly care of sustaining the map they want to run for some reason. To me, I just want the maps I drop the most of sell for the largest amount. So I always favorite what sell well at a good price.
Checked a bit more and the best map to favorite for sale value atm seem to be Strand. So there I will switch my favorite to Strand (5c min price, most are at 6c). I always adjust my favorite according to generic sale value. If the map I drop is worth 1.5x the map I am running, why would I want to drop the map I am running?
@@joelcuerrier4833 generally you want to choose a connected map if possible due to connected map drop % nodes on atlas tree
investing in maps is just not worth the time, the downtime of getting those stuff is just not worth. doing wandering path with harvest without buying maps and using that to invest in magic pack size and 4 scarab. 5c investment per map can net you 5 div an hour.
took me 10 minutes to get all the materials fella 👍🏻 TFT/Poe Stack lets you buy anything bulk easily
Also obligatory, doing other stuff is fun
@@Milkybk_10 mins if you dont hunt the lowest price and have 10div+ to spare for buying in bulk several pricy items. Not feasible for people who are looking to start juicing cause they have 1-3 spare div and they want to farm more.
@@AdskyDimonnot true those are just excuses, ppl just choose to be lazy. It’s really easy to get sextants, which is arguably the most time consuming part. If you have one divine then you could buy a couple of each, if you have 10 then buy enough to prep 40 maps. Getting in the habit of having everything ready so you can just bang out some maps is a good strat, but like you said you can just alch and go for much less profit per map.
@@tommylongschlong3646 right right. Harvest sextant is 70c per, juice 50-70c per, beyond 30c, what else he uses? harby? 15c, for a total of 160-190c per sextant set, which lasts only 4 maps. No couples, only one set per divine, 3 sets per 2div. 12 maps, 2000juice each map on avg, thats 24k/8k=3 div of juice. You barely break even if you get 2k per map, and the only profit you make is the bubblegum and random drops.
And no way you will find it enjoyable to buy single compasses when you have 1div. Cause thats not bulk, thats single sales, meaning you hotta spam 146 people before one answers.
@@AdskyDimon you literally double your investment every single time. I run possess monsters drop gilded so I can sustain gilded scarabs 26c, sacred grove 60, yellow juice doubled 70c, legion 45c. I have no investment on scarabs atm except some trash polished ones I use in the 4th slot. 20c for 4 maps that I roll myself and 24c for 4 legions. That’s around 245c for 4 maps, which is covered easily with just yellow juice alone.
That means basically that every single drop outside of one color of harvest juice is profit. It’s really consistent and easy. No one WANTS to go through setting all this stuff up, but if you WANT to make the most of your time then you should.
cheeeeeers~ trying to enjoy scarab run test for expedition but its so hard ot find useful things ot combo with it hahaha~ seriously going ot crop rotate harvest with it but since i have only 2 voidstones and hate sextants i might try a pseudo alch and go super high % chance for both options with growing hoards idk but its very very interesting strategy to give me for the method and thats way more fun haha cheeeers. worst case i drop it later lol
or i could try grand design for it yeah cause that sounds as fun as its always been for sure
May I ask why did you apply abyss point that is between shrines and harvest and also the point of metamorph, although you already banned these two mechanic?
Grand design keystone for additional pack size
harvest doesn't scale off player quant right ?
Yep, only map mods do.
@@aroace7913 does going for map crafting harvest instead of sextant depending of the prince of different sextant ?
@@juliennourry6801
Not sure on prices tbh. I always use the spawn chance since I get up to 75 % and it is so much easier for me since I would forget to put in a compass charge after every 4 map.
Beast, boss rush and heist cache test pls 🙏
You got it mate
Beast and essence and one explosion expedition. Best way.