Hi everyone, I bought the Brooklyns from DCP two years ago, and I am still in love. Recently, on a trip to Maine I took the detour off I95 and visited DCP on a hot Friday afternoon. Let me tell you everyone, I was treated like royalty even though I’m just a cover band drummer and not some rockstar. You could tell everyone in the shop takes great pride and what goes on there and what they do. They made sure I went upstairs to see the vintage drum museum and was blown away by seeing drum sets that I remember from my youth. If you ever get a chance to go to the actual DCP shop I highly recommend it. I didn’t need a single piece of drum paraphernalia, but still walked out of there with about $100 of T-shirts and sticks. God bless this place, a drum shop staffed by drummers who love what they do.
i purchased my one and only Gretsch set in 1956 when I was 19 years old. Now that i'm 83 I don't gig any more, but still enjoy sitting down behind my set and just having a great time of enjoyment and satisfaction. It's what makes my day.
Greetings from the U.K. I’m sure I speak for many of us British drummers when I say these comparison videos you’re putting out are really valuable. The U.K. is a relatively small country, and with limited opportunities to go and hear these kits, it provides a great opportunity to help shortlist the kits I want to test to avoid some wasted journeys. I know there will always be some that will complain that it’s not a perfectly controlled laboratory experiment, but it really does help hear the nuances between the different models. Keep up the excellent work. The fans of these videos far exceed the trolls.
well if it is any comfort it is incredibly rare to find a store that has all these in stock or even ONE set. I live in Los Angeles and have only ever seen a Brooklyn once at a store, high up on a shelf, unplayable. A USA custom? Never. I had to go on videos.
Perfect drummer to test kits. Beautiful player with excellent ability to pull the sound out of the instrument. Pleasure to watch play any kit. For my ears, if that matters ha! USA Custom with a Brooklyn kick!
I was photographing a wedding last night, which had a live band. I noticed the Gretsch kit they set up, and when they started playing - it was without question, "that great Gretsch sound". I didn't get a chance to talk to the drummer, but I did spend a few moment just staring at that simple little kit he set up, and soaked in that Gretsch sound. It was unmistakable. So warmly rich with a punchy projection. After last night, I had to hear it on the YT's, and found this comparison video. ...most excellent. Getting the itch to pull the trigger a new Gretsch set... :)
Man, without Drum Center of Portsmouth, I would have never been able to fully assess my prejudices and hear EVERYTHING before making a 10K purchase. You guys are life savers.
My first and best jazz instructor in 1966 had a Gretsch kit (not sure of the model but it was emerald green sparkle with a 4"x14" "piccolo" snare drum with 42 snare wires). He showed me how to play musically at low volumes and his brush skills were amazing. I'm 74 years old and I play Gretsch. Wonderful video!
Thanks much for your expertise and time. I love all of these drums for different reasons. However, my ears and years as a player and recording drummer have led me toward the Yamaha's and the Gretsch drums as favorites. Specifically , the Recording Custom Yamaha's and pretty much any Yamaha kit for the depth and richness/clarity of every stroke played. They win many blindfold tests and always have a breadth to their sound no matter which drum is being played. The Gretsch drums are , of course, spectacular musical sounding drums as stated...and have always been bringing the music out in the player on existential levels of playing. I liked the USA Custom and the Broadcaster best but there is hardly a difference in the long run with the overall choices of greatness here. Additionally , I was knocked out by the Tama Star Walnut for it's even and overall sounds and richness of tones evenly distributed around the kit. The Tama's have such a beautifully designed head and rim tension that it is easy to perform immaculate double stroke concepts on any drum whereas other drums lean toward the performance of single strokes because of their lessor head tensions....Gretsch also provides that similar double stroke capability allowing further percussive expressions to be born from simply making contact with the drum/drum head. The best bass drum tones came from the Yamaha's and the Star Walnut while the Gretsch simply is that amazing Gretsch sound undeniable on any level of recording and performance. All in all, these three drum companies have outdone themselves with the quality of sounds, textures , tones and resonances from each drum. I would love to have them all for the studio I am managing and recording in...the former Glen Campbell home studio in Agoura Hills CA. This room was designed to achieve incredible drum sounds and we are thrilled to be able to accomplish this feat there. Having additionally brilliant sounding drums can only make the art of recording that much better. Look us up sometime!! Thanks again for all your dedicated work on drum sounds.
Thank YOU, DrumCenter! This is THE video I’ve been waiting for. Also, kudos for these comparison videos. It makes things a lot easier for drummers like myself who are in the market for a new kit, but do not have a local store that carries said companies’ products. Very thankful and excited for part 2-4! My favorite drum channel on UA-cam. Very informative, personable and honest. Couldn’t ask for better!
Great video, guys. Agree on the studio magic those kits have. They often sound pre-mixed already, but can easily mixed more dark and fat if needed. Lars Ulrich used a Gretsch on the iconic „Black Album“, Taylor Hawkins plays one for the Foo Fighters. Gretsch are often connected to Jazz, but they are so much more versatile. Personally, I like the Brooklyn as it combines that Gretsch sound with a more modern flavor. Can’t wait to see the next parts.
I have had a Broadkaster for the last 2 years and I can confirm that the bass drums are wonderful. So much bottom end and air movement. I previously had a Yamaha Maple custom from the 90s (A totally different kit I know) and recently I have been taking out the Broadkaster Kick with a 10 and 16 from the maple custom. It's been great!
I’ll always be fond of Gretsch. Played USA Customs this whole time (I’m 49). While my set was not available I once rented a set of Yamaha Stage Customs. .....My mind was blown away !! Game changer! ...now I’m all screwed up. Dare I say more? These videos are fun to watch tho. Thanks
Amazing video guys! Thanks! I can confirm Shane's statements about the ubiquity of Gretsch in recording studios. I worked for a very famous Hollywood drum rental/cartage business for a period. We would deliver drums for recording sessions to all the famous and exclusive studios in Los Angeles. I would say 95% of the kits that were used were USA Customs from the '80s. The other 5% were a smattering of DW Collectors and vintage Ludwigs or Rogers. As I recall, snares were chiefly the Tama Bell Brass and Ludwig Black Beauties.
Onde again, you guys nailed it! But I keep on loving the Brooklyns! Man, these drums sound soooo good! But I have to consider the price point for each kit, and know what? Brooklyns forever, given the price tag for a USA Custom, when we compare the two kits the advantages for the USA Custom are minimal. Yet, the differences in low end or whatever, in a recording enviroment, are very easy to work around even during the tracking process. Hail to the Brooklyns!
Excellent comparison guys! Real nice touch as well! As far as making a choice, I feel they all fit into that Great Gretsch Sound while having their own slightly unique character within that realm. The thing I first noticed about Gretsch drums as a previous Renown owner and recent Brooklyn owner is that the near-field sound that comes back at you is SO satisfying. They also truly feel great to play. I remember an early Brooklyn demo video by Mark Schulman in the studio, and he can’t stop with the toms because they’re so fun to play. And for 2 more cents, any studio tracking I have done has seriously been dialed in faster with any Gretsch kit I’ve owned or was provided by the studio than any other brand kit I previously owned. Now, to find the $ for some big sizes of Broadkasters! Also worth checking out, strangely not on UA-cam anymore, is this excellent comparison by Matt Chamberlain with a new Broadkaster kit and a 1948 Broadkaster kit. Thanks again Drum Center, you guys are the best. facebook.com/DrumTalkTV/videos/1774826019262721?sfns=mo
Very helpful for those planning to go Gretsch. I have a USA Custom bop kit with the 18" bass. I have to say the sounds I hear back from the drums inspire me to play. All three lines are great, but if you can initially afford to bypass the expensive upgrade ladder and go right to the top, go USA.
I got my Brooklyn's in about a month ago and it's been by far the best kit I've ever owned. Warm - rich - round - HUGE sounds - world class hardware and it tuned up so easyyy. Amazing kit.
USA Custom shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 4 PLIES OF GUM, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/G/G/G/G/M) Brooklyn Shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 1 PLY OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 2 PLIES OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/P/M/P/P/M) We apologize for not double checking this.
If the USA custom is M/G x4 and M, then Gretsch Keller shells are not made as the original Jasper shells, which were M/G/G/M/G/M. This is something different.
on the video at 4:43 it looks like thin maple quilt/G/M/G/G/M. If this is the case then it is a diffent layout from Jasper's shells. Just an observation.
I own both USA and Brooklyns. I have large shell banks of each. I purchased the Brooklyns from Shane, who by the way is awesome. Seriously a great person to deal with and an excellent player as you can see. I highly recommend him and his store. OK back to the drums, I do a lot of studio work and each kit sings differently. The USAs are exactly what they are, amazing and that perfectly controlled Gretsch sound every time. The Brooklyns are like the most fun and funky kit I have ever played. They track outta sight and actually to me, they play and respond quicker than the USAs. Wide open they sound angry and growl, yet they they can be tamed to sound so very close to the USAs. They are incredibly versatile and pretty damn sexy to look at as well! Vinnie played my Brooklyns in my studio and couldn't believe how great they sounded. He was blown away... so I would take that as a pretty good indication. Each kit has it's thing, like a Strat and a Les Paul. I needed both and can't live without either, well that and a few vintage Rogers kits :-)
When I was a kid (decades ago) my parents got me a Slingerland set for Christmas one year. It was nice, and I sometimes (at school) played Ludwig, but I (and others) always aspired to have Gretsch.. it was (at the time) the best of the best! This was in the early days of Pearl and long before Yamaha and TAMA were made. @ 79, I still love my Gretsch Custom kit.
"It sounds like the sound is coming out of the side of the drums." Perfect description! Totally agree. Lenny White recorded on Gretsch drums. Tony Williams recorded on Gretsch drums. Jeff Porcaro recorded on Gretsch drums (while endorsing Pearl). Nuff said.
Love my Yellow USA Custom (Tony Williams Tribute Kit) and Istanbul (Tony Williams Tribute Cymbals) now if I could only play half as good as him I would really be BLESSED! GOD HAS ALL OF THE BEST DRUMMERS!!! RIP!!!
Great video...I’ve always preferred Gretsch and Ludwig over DW. These videos just confirm that even more. All three are great...but still a Brooklyn fan.
Great playing Tom (and good name too!) Great feel to your playing. Love that USA Custom snare. Truth of the matter is that all the major USA drum manufacturers are making some excellent drums now..being a drum junkie I'd love to have a kit from each manufacturer but being retired and on a 'limited' income kind of puts the reality on that. Oh well one can dream. Great video.
Been waiting on this video ever since you’ve been doing these type of comparisons! This is why you guys are the best in the business! Thank you for giving us drummers a chance to hear this in once video without going through different clips!
Hi from Switzerland... I own two Gretsch kits (Renown and Brooklyn). In this video I loved the Broadcaster sound... this are amazing. Thank you so much for having done this series of videos... great job... Cheers !!!
Thanks guys for another great demonstration. I've always revered the name Gretsch in drums but just don't think they are for me. However, I've never played them. I liked the Broadcaster best. Thank you for your great content.
This is awesome and I am glad to see you do this Shane. I have a big set of Gretsch USA Customs (10,12,13,16 toms and a 24" kick) for about 5 years and I love love love them. I am thinking about getting a smaller kit for my bands smaller gigs and these Broadkasters are amazing ! I live about 50 miles from the Ridgeland factory and it was indeed a treat to go there and tour the place. Paul Cooper is a great guy and a killer drummer himself ! I can't wait to see the rest of the series ! Thanks for sharing.
@@drumcenternh lol..... Come down to Savannah and I will cook some steaks for you and take you to a gig and I will let you judge ! I will be hitting you up soon for the smaller Broadkaster kit !!
That's exactly what I did and I couldn't be happier. I have a '83 USA Custom with 8,12,16,18,24, and needed a smaller gigging kit so I ordered a 12,16,22 Broadkaster and it's perfect - especially the kick.
First let me say thanks again guys,I know this was a large task.Cant wait to see 2-4 as well.I currently own a set of gretsch and I got to say you did a great job tunning every kit. I've played all three of the USA series and agree with tom 100 percent.The USA custom have a more focused sound,broadkaster has a warmer sound and Brooklyn have a more open sound.I went with the Brooklyn BEBOP sizes not because of the difference in price but because I preferred the more open sound.One thing worth mentioning, they all come with the same hardware except USA custom have diecast hoops.They are very nice drums and made in the USA.You can't go wrong.Thanks again DCP.Great comparison.!!!
Congratulations, you're the best to test these jewels !!! If j want to listen to an acoustic drum test j have to watch your videos because they are perfect !! Oh j forgot...J'm happy owner of a Brooklyn set 22-10-12-16.
Thank you again for another first-class video series! You guys are hands-down the best drum shop I've ever come across in ANY state, and I've known some good ones over the years. Surprisingly, I'm giving the award to the Brooklyn's today. Retrofit those toms with die cast hoops to boost the attack a bit and you're sitting on the fattest Gretsch sound in the galaxy! Cheers!
In the end, the Broadcaster and Brooklyn drums are nuanced, great drums indeed, but the USA custom has been the standard (and still arguably the best sounding drum) since the late 50s. Perfect blend of punch and warmth, semi dry = quick decay and amazingly focused mid-range, and that's the key...the well defined mid-range! Did I mention the mid-range? The edges allowed these drums to be pitched high and not choke like 45 degree edges. Perfect for bebop tuning. They also sound great when tuned in the medium range, which is why they have been recorded on so many pop records. Warning: When these drums are tuned low, they do NOT sound as good.
Seriously it’s splitting hairs between the three but USA custom is the most versatile. I hear the Broadkaster as slightly more muted and the Brooklyn as slightly more open. I’d love to have a USA custom bop kit, a downbeat Brooklyn and a Broadkaster rock kit!
Fantastic video with proper description and playing. Other videos have subjective adjectives and rock drummers which are vague and less musical. You guys are the best. These three kits are very distinctive and I understand them much better now. I won't say which one is best because that is like saying that a particular flavor of ice cream is the best. You have to choose which one you want in the size you want. I know which is best for me! Thank you.
USA custom all the way! I own a 6pc 1988 USA kit in rosewood, and just when I think I want to sell them, I see a video like this and have second thoughts! Gretsch- the best drums on the planet!
The toms of the Broadkaster and Brooklyn sounded noticeably darker than the USA Custom. USA Customs are my favorite of this comparison, but I’m waiting for the bop video!
Yes! Thank you! I don't live far from Ridgeland, SC and I was fortunate to get a tour of the Gretsch drum factory last year. Awesome experience, awesome drums. I really like the Brooklyn line. Looking forward to the upcoming videos!
Thanks for making such a high quality comparison. The attention to detail you guys provide is obviously noted and appreciated...thank you! It really does help us understand the subtle differences in these great drums. The USA Customs record so nicely...they sound perfect! I had a moment today with my USA Customs while rehearsing with a group where I reached the same conclusion Shane pointed out...they really sit nicely in the mix with the band. They almost sound BETTER within the context of the group than by themselves! Conversely...from my vantage point behind the kit, I do love the warmth of the Broadkasters...they have a rich and satisfying sound. It's a good thing I own both!! It's hard to choose a favorite. I think they both have their place. Thanks again!
I bought a used Broadkaster 3-piece kit (c. 2000) from Trey Gray back in 2005 (on consignment). It was the kick drum tone that first made me know I had to have them. Still playing them every week and loving them!
They all sound great. I have a USA Custom kit in my studio. I have pinstripe heads on the toms an ambassador on the snare and a black dot on the kick. 20x14 , 10x8 12x10 and 14x14. The record really nice. I'm using either a 10 ply maple snare 5x14 or a 5x14 COB snare. Just a little bit of damping on the toms and a felt strip on both kick heads with a small hole for the mic.
Thanks a million for the comparison guys. I went in thinking that the Broadkaster was for me. And didn't expect the USA Custom to sound that much better than the Broadkaster and Brooklyn. But, to me, the USA did sound deeper, woodier, cleaner on the toms. The Broadkaster had the fuzziest crunchiest sound, and loved that really nice beefy soundinig kick, and would probably be my choice for live playing. But I'm looking for a recording kit. And I found the Brooklyn sounded a bit cleaner and more modern. So, I'd probably go for the Brooklyn. And maybe save up and buy the USA Custom snare later (really liked the Broadkaster kick actually). The snare was the weaker sound in the Brooklyn kit. Hmm, it's tricky, thinking about it, I think I prefer the toms in USA custom or Brooklyn, but like the Broadkaster kick most, and USA Custom, then Broadkaster snare.
I've stopped binge watching NetFlix...can't stop watching your excellent videos....There is just that "magic" in the USA Custom kit that I don't quite hear in the others...All kits sound great, and as usual, the playing is top notch...Planning a trip to DCP soon...
Definitely consistent across the models. The USA sounded the best to me. The Brooklyn’s kick drum was throaty and deep, punchy. The snares across the models sounded great as well. Great playing by the demonstrator as well. That Great Gretsch Sound is REAL
Sounds like you guys used a lot of the room mics for the final mix... not a bad thing! If you have a good room as you all do, it's nice to see it used!!
I have two USA Custom kits (one from DCP). The ply layup on that shell isn't 2/2/2, it's 3 of each, staggered. This is because back in the stone age, they were having trouble getting maple plies to laminate together! Outer to inner: M/G/M/G/G/M. The woods are very different in color so you can see it just by looking at the bearing edge. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
USA Custom shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 4 PLIES OF GUM, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/G/G/G/G/M) Brooklyn Shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 1 PLY OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 2 PLIES OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/P/M/P/P/M) We apologize for not fact checking anything, ever.
@@drumcenternh well that's unfortunate. They used to deny the USA Custom had gumwood in it at all. I'm really not trying to be argumentative, it's just that there are 60 years of shells to look at which contradict the information they gave you.
Take the heads off of a USA drum at the shop today and see if it looks more like 1/4/1 or the staggered construction. I think you'll agree it's obvious.
I’m a Sonor guy but I think Gretsch is great! I hate die cast hoops it just a personal preference. After listening to these 3 kits with high quality headphones I think the USA Custom wins! Great job guys! 👏
USA custom makes me feel like I’m either in a Nashville band playin hip country music or at buddy Rich’s drums in 1972 on tour. Great drums, just not my style. The broadkaster is probably my favorite. It’s not perfectly what I’m looking for, but it’s got a great balance of being able to have a soft touch and also slam them that I love in Gretsch drums. The Brooklyn is probably the best of all of them when price is concerned, especially if you have a great local music or drum store, like in Portsmouth, Memphis or even Sam ash in NYC
Great shootout/comparison!!!! Thank you! Very helpful, indeed! I may have to take one of those kits off of your hands...don't tell that to my Ludwigs. :-)
Ever since I heard the USA Custom at a Nashville session, I fell in love with it. I have a Renown and It is the best set I’ve ever played. Can’t wait to get my hands on a USA Custom. I think that will be my retirement present. :)
Great comparison and I look forward to the other videos coming up. I am still VERY happy with the Gretsch Renown kit that I purchased from you guys a few years back. They are just great drums!
Its A Pleasure For Me Actually, Besides The Educational Aspects & Stuff! Its some kind of privilege for someone like me who maybe never get the chance to try This Amazing instruments, I just watch n enjoy. There's an old Iranian saying:" Describing The Joy Is Like Experiencing The Half Of It!." @@drumcenternh
GREAT video guys! Is it me or does the Ludwig classic maple sound fit in between all these kits? Very similar! I think I like the Broadkaster the most of these kits, they just seem really full sounding.
Hi everyone, I bought the Brooklyns from DCP two years ago, and I am still in love. Recently, on a trip to Maine I took the detour off I95 and visited DCP on a hot Friday afternoon. Let me tell you everyone, I was treated like royalty even though I’m just a cover band drummer and not some rockstar. You could tell everyone in the shop takes great pride and what goes on there and what they do. They made sure I went upstairs to see the vintage drum museum and was blown away by seeing drum sets that I remember from my youth. If you ever get a chance to go to the actual DCP shop I highly recommend it. I didn’t need a single piece of drum paraphernalia, but still walked out of there with about $100 of T-shirts and sticks. God bless this place, a drum shop staffed by drummers who love what they do.
We're so glad you made the trip Charles. This comment made my day. Thanks for your support!
The Brooklyn is probably the best for my personal taste. I think Santana’s drummer uses the Brooklyn. Maybe not at every gig though
i purchased my one and only Gretsch set in 1956 when I was 19 years old. Now that i'm 83 I don't gig any more, but still enjoy sitting down behind my set and just having a great time of enjoyment and satisfaction. It's what makes my day.
I hope I'm as lucky as you to be able to still play at 83! Awesome!
Gretsch drums still sound amazing by today’s standards. They are like the Steinway piano of drums. They never sound out dated.
@@ramencurry6672 Wow, your comment is spot on! I've always likened Gretsch drums to fine pianos.
I'm 69 and thankfully still gigging hope to be like you - still hittin' the skins !
That's awesome!
Greetings from the U.K. I’m sure I speak for many of us British drummers when I say these comparison videos you’re putting out are really valuable. The U.K. is a relatively small country, and with limited opportunities to go and hear these kits, it provides a great opportunity to help shortlist the kits I want to test to avoid some wasted journeys. I know there will always be some that will complain that it’s not a perfectly controlled laboratory experiment, but it really does help hear the nuances between the different models. Keep up the excellent work. The fans of these videos far exceed the trolls.
That means a lot to us, man. Thanks for the kind words and for supporting the channel. Cheers!
well if it is any comfort it is incredibly rare to find a store that has all these in stock or even ONE set. I live in Los Angeles and have only ever seen a Brooklyn once at a store, high up on a shelf, unplayable. A USA custom? Never. I had to go on videos.
As a fellow Brit, I second this. These videos are incredibly helpful.
Perfect drummer to test kits. Beautiful player with excellent ability to pull the sound out of the instrument. Pleasure to watch play any kit. For my ears, if that matters ha! USA Custom with a Brooklyn kick!
I was photographing a wedding last night, which had a live band. I noticed the Gretsch kit they set up, and when they started playing - it was without question, "that great Gretsch sound". I didn't get a chance to talk to the drummer, but I did spend a few moment just staring at that simple little kit he set up, and soaked in that Gretsch sound. It was unmistakable. So warmly rich with a punchy projection. After last night, I had to hear it on the YT's, and found this comparison video. ...most excellent.
Getting the itch to pull the trigger a new Gretsch set... :)
Came for the drums, stayed for the playing. Tom is a great player.
We think so, too! Thanks, Scott.
Man, without Drum Center of Portsmouth, I would have never been able to fully assess my prejudices and hear EVERYTHING before making a 10K purchase. You guys are life savers.
Best videos in the business because you educate about the kits as much as you allow us to hear them.
Glad you find them useful and entertaining! Thanks for watching.
My first and best jazz instructor in 1966 had a Gretsch kit (not sure of the model but it was emerald green sparkle with a 4"x14" "piccolo" snare drum with 42 snare wires). He showed me how to play musically at low volumes and his brush skills were amazing. I'm 74 years old and I play Gretsch.
Wonderful video!
thank you for watching!
I got a Marquee a few years back for a steal.. absolute killer kit. Plays jazz, rock, metal, funk, and everything else perfectly.
Thanks much for your expertise and time. I love all of these drums for different reasons. However, my ears and years as a player and recording drummer have led me toward the Yamaha's and the Gretsch drums as favorites. Specifically , the Recording Custom Yamaha's and pretty much any Yamaha kit for the depth and richness/clarity of every stroke played. They win many blindfold tests and always have a breadth to their sound no matter which drum is being played. The Gretsch drums are , of course, spectacular musical sounding drums as stated...and have always been bringing the music out in the player on existential levels of playing. I liked the USA Custom and the Broadcaster best but there is hardly a difference in the long run with the overall choices of greatness here. Additionally , I was knocked out by the Tama Star Walnut for it's even and overall sounds and richness of tones evenly distributed around the kit. The Tama's have such a beautifully designed head and rim tension that it is easy to perform immaculate double stroke concepts on any drum whereas other drums lean toward the performance of single strokes because of their lessor head tensions....Gretsch also provides that similar double stroke capability allowing further percussive expressions to be born from simply making contact with the drum/drum head. The best bass drum tones came from the Yamaha's and the Star Walnut while the Gretsch simply is that amazing Gretsch sound undeniable on any level of recording and performance. All in all, these three drum companies have outdone themselves with the quality of sounds, textures , tones and resonances from each drum. I would love to have them all for the studio I am managing and recording in...the former Glen Campbell home studio in Agoura Hills CA. This room was designed to achieve incredible drum sounds and we are thrilled to be able to accomplish this feat there. Having additionally brilliant sounding drums can only make the art of recording that much better. Look us up sometime!! Thanks again for all your dedicated work on drum sounds.
Can we have some love for those gorgeous Paistes? That crash ride is perfect.
"I've been waiting for this moment for all my life, oh Lord"
Thank YOU, DrumCenter! This is THE video I’ve been waiting for. Also, kudos for these comparison videos. It makes things a lot easier for drummers like myself who are in the market for a new kit, but do not have a local store that carries said companies’ products. Very thankful and excited for part 2-4! My favorite drum channel on UA-cam. Very informative, personable and honest. Couldn’t ask for better!
That means a lot. Thanks, Matthew!
Great video, guys. Agree on the studio magic those kits have. They often sound pre-mixed already, but can easily mixed more dark and fat if needed. Lars Ulrich used a Gretsch on the iconic „Black Album“, Taylor Hawkins plays one for the Foo Fighters. Gretsch are often connected to Jazz, but they are so much more versatile. Personally, I like the Brooklyn as it combines that Gretsch sound with a more modern flavor.
Can’t wait to see the next parts.
Thanks, Mike!
Great video, thanks a lot! I personally prefer the sound of the Brooklyn kit.
They all sound so amazing but I really loved the Brooklyn kit.
I have had a Broadkaster for the last 2 years and I can confirm that the bass drums are wonderful. So much bottom end and air movement. I previously had a Yamaha Maple custom from the 90s (A totally different kit I know) and recently I have been taking out the Broadkaster Kick with a 10 and 16 from the maple custom. It's been great!
I’ll always be fond of Gretsch. Played USA Customs this whole time (I’m 49). While my set was not available I once rented a set of Yamaha Stage Customs.
.....My mind was blown away !!
Game changer! ...now I’m all screwed up. Dare I say more? These videos are fun to watch tho. Thanks
Legend has it he is still waiting on that Gretsch kit till this day...
Love the vintage warmth of the Brooklyns.
Reminds me of my Slingerlands with a 20” bass drum.
Amazing video guys! Thanks! I can confirm Shane's statements about the ubiquity of Gretsch in recording studios. I worked for a very famous Hollywood drum rental/cartage business for a period. We would deliver drums for recording sessions to all the famous and exclusive studios in Los Angeles. I would say 95% of the kits that were used were USA Customs from the '80s. The other 5% were a smattering of DW Collectors and vintage Ludwigs or Rogers. As I recall, snares were chiefly the Tama Bell Brass and Ludwig Black Beauties.
Thanks for the insight, catthehank! Must have been a fascinating experience. I love my '79-ish with transition stop sign badges. Cheers
Great...that’s all I need to hear...thanks
Onde again, you guys nailed it!
But I keep on loving the Brooklyns!
Man, these drums sound soooo good!
But I have to consider the price point for each kit, and know what?
Brooklyns forever, given the price tag for a USA Custom, when we compare the two kits the advantages for the USA Custom are minimal.
Yet, the differences in low end or whatever, in a recording enviroment, are very easy to work around even during the tracking process.
Hail to the Brooklyns!
Great compare/contrast. That Broadkaster bass drum won the day.
Thanks, Scott!
I do enjoy watching and listening to Tom's drumming on all the videos.
The man has a wonderful feel and timing to his work.
Well played Tom.
He's also handsome.
Excellent comparison guys! Real nice touch as well! As far as making a choice, I feel they all fit into that Great Gretsch Sound while having their own slightly unique character within that realm. The thing I first noticed about Gretsch drums as a previous Renown owner and recent Brooklyn owner is that the near-field sound that comes back at you is SO satisfying. They also truly feel great to play. I remember an early Brooklyn demo video by Mark Schulman in the studio, and he can’t stop with the toms because they’re so fun to play. And for 2 more cents, any studio tracking I have done has seriously been dialed in faster with any Gretsch kit I’ve owned or was provided by the studio than any other brand kit I previously owned. Now, to find the $ for some big sizes of Broadkasters!
Also worth checking out, strangely not on UA-cam anymore, is this excellent comparison by Matt Chamberlain with a new Broadkaster kit and a 1948 Broadkaster kit. Thanks again Drum Center, you guys are the best.
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The U.S.A. Custom sounds the best.
Could listen to Tom all day .
Thanks Tom 👍
Very helpful for those planning to go Gretsch. I have a USA Custom bop kit with the 18" bass. I have to say the sounds I hear back from the drums inspire me to play. All three lines are great, but if you can initially afford to bypass the expensive upgrade ladder and go right to the top, go USA.
I got my Brooklyn's in about a month ago and it's been by far the best kit I've ever owned.
Warm - rich - round - HUGE sounds - world class hardware and it tuned up so easyyy.
Amazing kit.
Yep
USA Custom shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 4 PLIES OF GUM, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/G/G/G/G/M)
Brooklyn Shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 1 PLY OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 2 PLIES OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/P/M/P/P/M)
We apologize for not double checking this.
If the USA custom is M/G x4 and M, then Gretsch Keller shells are not made as the original Jasper shells, which were M/G/G/M/G/M. This is something different.
on the video at 4:43 it looks like thin maple quilt/G/M/G/G/M. If this is the case then it is a diffent layout from Jasper's shells. Just an observation.
Thank you for doing these drum kit shootouts! I am sure they are very time consuming but they are very helpful. You guys are the best!
Glad you're enjoying them! Stay tuned for more.
I own both USA and Brooklyns. I have large shell banks of each. I purchased the Brooklyns from Shane, who by the way is awesome. Seriously a great person to deal with and an excellent player as you can see. I highly recommend him and his store. OK back to the drums, I do a lot of studio work and each kit sings differently. The USAs are exactly what they are, amazing and that perfectly controlled Gretsch sound every time. The Brooklyns are like the most fun and funky kit I have ever played. They track outta sight and actually to me, they play and respond quicker than the USAs. Wide open they sound angry and growl, yet they they can be tamed to sound so very close to the USAs. They are incredibly versatile and pretty damn sexy to look at as well! Vinnie played my Brooklyns in my studio and couldn't believe how great they sounded. He was blown away... so I would take that as a pretty good indication. Each kit has it's thing, like a Strat and a Les Paul. I needed both and can't live without either, well that and a few vintage Rogers kits :-)
Thanks for the kind words, Joshua. We appreciate it!
For a pop/funk sounding bass drum (hole in front head), do you prefer the USA or the Brooklyns?
I will always be a Ludwig man, but there is something special about Gretsch. And once again, you guys knocked it out of the park. 👊
Glad you enjoyed it, Paul!
When I was a kid (decades ago) my parents got me a Slingerland set for Christmas one year. It was nice, and I sometimes (at school) played Ludwig, but I (and others) always aspired to have Gretsch.. it was (at the time) the best of the best! This was in the early days of Pearl and long before Yamaha and TAMA were made. @ 79, I still love my Gretsch Custom kit.
That Bass Drum...it sounds beastial with just room mics as it does fully mic'd. I have an '87 and it seems to sound better every year.
"It sounds like the sound is coming out of the side of the drums." Perfect description! Totally agree.
Lenny White recorded on Gretsch drums. Tony Williams recorded on Gretsch drums. Jeff Porcaro recorded on Gretsch drums (while endorsing Pearl). Nuff said.
Vinnie a lot too.
Love my Yellow USA Custom (Tony Williams Tribute Kit) and Istanbul (Tony Williams Tribute Cymbals) now if I could only play half as good as him I would really be BLESSED!
GOD HAS ALL OF THE BEST DRUMMERS!!!
RIP!!!
Great video...I’ve always preferred Gretsch and Ludwig over DW.
These videos just confirm that even more.
All three are great...but still a Brooklyn fan.
Great playing Tom (and good name too!) Great feel to your playing. Love that USA Custom snare. Truth of the matter is that all the major USA drum manufacturers are making some excellent drums now..being a drum junkie I'd love to have a kit from each manufacturer but being retired and on a 'limited' income kind of puts the reality on that. Oh well one can dream. Great video.
Thanks for watching, Thomas!
The most, Broadkaster - buttery sound that can’t be duplicated. Switched to Gretsch years ago for personal use and recording.
Been waiting on this video ever since you’ve been doing these type of comparisons! This is why you guys are the best in the business! Thank you for giving us drummers a chance to hear this in once video without going through different clips!
Thanks for the kind words. Means a lot.
Hi from Switzerland... I own two Gretsch kits (Renown and Brooklyn). In this video I loved the Broadcaster sound... this are amazing. Thank you so much for having done this series of videos... great job... Cheers !!!
Thank you, Felix! Cheers!
Great video! Love that Great Gretsch Sound from all the lines. Looking forward to the next videos.....
Thanks for watching, Steven.
Man these paistes sound great. Also i was surprised to like the usa custom over the other two.
Thanks guys for another great demonstration. I've always revered the name Gretsch in drums but just don't think they are for me. However, I've never played them. I liked the Broadcaster best. Thank you for your great content.
Thanks for watching, and for the kind words, Steven.
This is awesome and I am glad to see you do this Shane. I have a big set of Gretsch USA Customs (10,12,13,16 toms and a 24" kick) for about 5 years and I love love love them. I am thinking about getting a smaller kit for my bands smaller gigs and these Broadkasters are amazing ! I live about 50 miles from the Ridgeland factory and it was indeed a treat to go there and tour the place. Paul Cooper is a great guy and a killer drummer himself ! I can't wait to see the rest of the series ! Thanks for sharing.
Would you say you're better at drumming or grilling?
@@drumcenternh lol..... Come down to Savannah and I will cook some steaks for you and take you to a gig and I will let you judge ! I will be hitting you up soon for the smaller Broadkaster kit !!
That's exactly what I did and I couldn't be happier. I have a '83 USA Custom with 8,12,16,18,24, and needed a smaller gigging kit so I ordered a 12,16,22 Broadkaster and it's perfect - especially the kick.
First let me say thanks again guys,I know this was a large task.Cant wait to see 2-4 as well.I currently own a set of gretsch and I got to say you did a great job tunning every kit. I've played all three of the USA series and agree with tom 100 percent.The USA custom have a more focused sound,broadkaster has a warmer sound and Brooklyn have a more open sound.I went with the Brooklyn BEBOP sizes not because of the difference in price but because I preferred the more open sound.One thing worth mentioning, they all come with the same hardware except USA custom have diecast hoops.They are very nice drums and made in the USA.You can't go wrong.Thanks again DCP.Great comparison.!!!
Glad you liked it, Dave!
Congratulations, you're the best to test these jewels !!! If j want to listen to an acoustic drum test j have to watch your videos because they are perfect !! Oh j forgot...J'm happy owner of a Brooklyn set 22-10-12-16.
Thanks, Gerardo!
All of these kits are amazing 😉 Great job fellas 🥁🏆
Thanks, Lee!
Another awesome video! Thanks so much guys! For my ears I'd have to go with a set of the USA Customs
Once again, you guys knocked it out of the park! Can’t wait for parts 2, 3, and 4.
Thanks, Joseph! Part 2 should arrive in about a week!
Thank you again for another first-class video series! You guys are hands-down the best drum shop I've ever come across in ANY state, and I've known some good ones over the years. Surprisingly, I'm giving the award to the Brooklyn's today. Retrofit those toms with die cast hoops to boost the attack a bit and you're sitting on the fattest Gretsch sound in the galaxy! Cheers!
Cheers, Jason. Thanks for watching!
dear Drum Center of Portsmouth, I just love you guys!!
Samesies!
THIS IS THE SHOOTOUT IVE WAITED MANY MOONS FOR!!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Really glad you enjoyed it! Stay tuned for more!
Wow..great job on the vid, fellas. I'd prob go USA toms/snare and Brooklyn kick but they all sound amazing.
Super cool, Gents! I know where I will be buying my next kit.
Mission accomplished! Thanks, Christopher.
That snare on u.s.a custom is unbelievable... wow just amazing sound
great video.. they all sound amazing. really great drumming.
Thanks, Brad.
In the end, the Broadcaster and Brooklyn drums are nuanced, great drums indeed, but the USA custom has been the standard (and still arguably the best sounding drum) since the late 50s. Perfect blend of punch and warmth, semi dry = quick decay and amazingly focused mid-range, and that's the key...the well defined mid-range! Did I mention the mid-range? The edges allowed these drums to be pitched high and not choke like 45 degree edges. Perfect for bebop tuning. They also sound great when tuned in the medium range, which is why they have been recorded on so many pop records. Warning: When these drums are tuned low, they do NOT sound as good.
Thx!!! I owner USA custom set and wish to buy broadkaster set. Really love it! Thx DCP, Shane and Tom!
You're welcome,
Илья Ягода!
So far I prefer the USA Customs for the snare and toms, Broadkaster for the kick
Rob Burgess Ive been binging a bunch of these videos & custom snare was gorgeous. One of my favorite sounding snares so far.
You have good taste my friend!
20” Brooklyns...my cup of tea out of all the demonstrations...love 20”.
Seriously it’s splitting hairs between the three but USA custom is the most versatile. I hear the Broadkaster as slightly more muted and the Brooklyn as slightly more open. I’d love to have a USA custom bop kit, a downbeat Brooklyn and a Broadkaster rock kit!
That seems like a logical solution! :)
Yeah but the projection is key. Listen for which project best for your style music. I like maximum projection
Fantastic video with proper description and playing. Other videos have subjective adjectives and rock drummers which are vague and less musical. You guys are the best.
These three kits are very distinctive and I understand them much better now. I won't say which one is best because that is like saying that a particular flavor of ice cream is the best. You have to choose which one you want in the size you want. I know which is best for me! Thank you.
The Brooklyns...beautiful 👍🏿
thank you so much guys!
Thanks for watching, Giovanni!
all of them sound great, but broadkaster sounds amazing 2 me!!
USA custom all the way!
I own a 6pc 1988 USA kit in rosewood, and just when I think I want to sell them, I see a video like this and have second thoughts! Gretsch- the best drums on the planet!
The drumming community is very thankful!
The toms of the Broadkaster and Brooklyn sounded noticeably darker than the USA Custom. USA Customs are my favorite of this comparison, but I’m waiting for the bop video!
The bop video is pretty cool, you can hear more difference when they are tuned up higher.
Yes! Thank you! I don't live far from Ridgeland, SC and I was fortunate to get a tour of the Gretsch drum factory last year. Awesome experience, awesome drums. I really like the Brooklyn line. Looking forward to the upcoming videos!
Robbie Norman is that something that’s offered only for Reps/Endorsee’s ??? I’d love to tour the drum factory!
@@johnniehicks2384 From what I understand, yes.
You're a great drummer, love listening to you play.
Thanks for making such a high quality comparison. The attention to detail you guys provide is obviously noted and appreciated...thank you! It really does help us understand the subtle differences in these great drums. The USA Customs record so nicely...they sound perfect! I had a moment today with my USA Customs while rehearsing with a group where I reached the same conclusion Shane pointed out...they really sit nicely in the mix with the band. They almost sound BETTER within the context of the group than by themselves!
Conversely...from my vantage point behind the kit, I do love the warmth of the Broadkasters...they have a rich and satisfying sound. It's a good thing I own both!! It's hard to choose a favorite. I think they both have their place. Thanks again!
I bought a used Broadkaster 3-piece kit (c. 2000) from Trey Gray back in 2005 (on consignment). It was the kick drum tone that first made me know I had to have them. Still playing them every week and loving them!
They all sound great. I have a USA Custom kit in my studio. I have pinstripe heads on the toms an ambassador on the snare and a black dot on the kick. 20x14 , 10x8 12x10 and 14x14. The record really nice. I'm using either a 10 ply maple snare 5x14 or a 5x14 COB snare. Just a little bit of damping on the toms and a felt strip on both kick heads with a small hole for the mic.
Thanks a million for the comparison guys. I went in thinking that the Broadkaster was for me. And didn't expect the USA Custom to sound that much better than the Broadkaster and Brooklyn. But, to me, the USA did sound deeper, woodier, cleaner on the toms. The Broadkaster had the fuzziest crunchiest sound, and loved that really nice beefy soundinig kick, and would probably be my choice for live playing. But I'm looking for a recording kit. And I found the Brooklyn sounded a bit cleaner and more modern. So, I'd probably go for the Brooklyn. And maybe save up and buy the USA Custom snare later (really liked the Broadkaster kick actually). The snare was the weaker sound in the Brooklyn kit. Hmm, it's tricky, thinking about it, I think I prefer the toms in USA custom or Brooklyn, but like the Broadkaster kick most, and USA Custom, then Broadkaster snare.
I've stopped binge watching NetFlix...can't stop watching your excellent videos....There is just that "magic" in the USA Custom kit that I don't quite hear in the others...All kits sound great, and as usual, the playing is top notch...Planning a trip to DCP soon...
We look forward to your visit, Dan! Thanks for watching our stuff.
I wonder how the Brooklyn and Broadkaster kits would sound with the die cast hoops?
Definitely consistent across the models.
The USA sounded the best to me.
The Brooklyn’s kick drum was throaty and deep, punchy.
The snares across the models sounded great as well.
Great playing by the demonstrator as well.
That Great Gretsch Sound is REAL
Sounds like you guys used a lot of the room mics for the final mix... not a bad thing! If you have a good room as you all do, it's nice to see it used!!
I have two USA Custom kits (one from DCP). The ply layup on that shell isn't 2/2/2, it's 3 of each, staggered. This is because back in the stone age, they were having trouble getting maple plies to laminate together! Outer to inner: M/G/M/G/G/M. The woods are very different in color so you can see it just by looking at the bearing edge. Great video, looking forward to the next one.
USA Custom shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 4 PLIES OF GUM, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/G/G/G/G/M)
Brooklyn Shell layup is in fact 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 1 PLY OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE, 2 PLIES OF POPLAR, 1 PLY OF MAPLE (M/P/M/P/P/M)
We apologize for not fact checking anything, ever.
Sorry, but that's wrong. All you have to do is look at your own shot of the bearing edge at 4:40 to see what I'm talking about.
@@EricBaileyDrums We got the info straight from Gretsch yesterday. Literally cut and pasted directly from their email.
@@drumcenternh well that's unfortunate. They used to deny the USA Custom had gumwood in it at all. I'm really not trying to be argumentative, it's just that there are 60 years of shells to look at which contradict the information they gave you.
Take the heads off of a USA drum at the shop today and see if it looks more like 1/4/1 or the staggered construction. I think you'll agree it's obvious.
I’m a Sonor guy but I think Gretsch is great! I hate die cast hoops it just a personal preference.
After listening to these 3 kits with high quality headphones I think the USA Custom wins!
Great job guys! 👏
Thanks, Greg!
USA custom makes me feel like I’m either in a Nashville band playin hip country music or at buddy Rich’s drums in 1972 on tour. Great drums, just not my style. The broadkaster is probably my favorite. It’s not perfectly what I’m looking for, but it’s got a great balance of being able to have a soft touch and also slam them that I love in Gretsch drums. The Brooklyn is probably the best of all of them when price is concerned, especially if you have a great local music or drum store, like in Portsmouth, Memphis or even Sam ash in NYC
I'd like to hear a comparison between the Catelinas and Renowns as well.
Catalinas are dreadful. Renowns are quite good.
Catalina: ua-cam.com/video/BxfotBthRUM/v-deo.html Renowkn ua-cam.com/video/rznnBoRClDM/v-deo.html: Both great!
I have catalina maple. Great kit. Sounds and looks very fine. Amazed that it was so cheap ;)
dammm all of these kits sound great
Wow this is a great video. Thank you for making it!
Thanks for watching it!
BROOKLYNS....best sound and best value for money...
Great shootout/comparison!!!! Thank you! Very helpful, indeed! I may have to take one of those kits off of your hands...don't tell that to my Ludwigs. :-)
Ever since I heard the USA Custom at a Nashville session, I fell in love with it. I have a Renown and It is the best set I’ve ever played. Can’t wait to get my hands on a USA Custom. I think that will be my retirement present. :)
Retirement....ha!...you crazy !!
You guys do great comparisons, thanks for these videos.
You're welcome, Eric. Thanks for watching our stuff!
Great comparison and I look forward to the other videos coming up. I am still VERY happy with the Gretsch Renown kit that I purchased from you guys a few years back. They are just great drums!
Glad you like them, Doug! They are great drums!
Another Great Content! Thank You For This Amazing & Helpful Videos. U Guys Are Awesome, Keep It Up!
Thanks for watching, Masoud! Glad you liked it!
Its A Pleasure For Me Actually, Besides The Educational Aspects & Stuff! Its some kind of privilege for someone like me who maybe never get the chance to try This Amazing instruments, I just watch n enjoy. There's an old Iranian saying:" Describing The Joy Is Like Experiencing The Half Of It!." @@drumcenternh
Love my Brooklyn kit. 22,13,16 with a 6x14 cob snare.
Love your shoot out videos. Very well done!
Thanks, Trey!
Another great video.... good job guys
Thank you, Nicola!
GREAT video guys! Is it me or does the Ludwig classic maple sound fit in between all these kits? Very similar! I think I like the Broadkaster the most of these kits, they just seem really full sounding.
Glad you enjoyed the video, Oz! In the room, the Classic Maples project a little more high frequencies to our ears - but they are kinda close.
Everything on this video is perfect ! Great review, thanks :)
Glad you liked it!
Brooklyn Abalone Nitron....which I bought from you guys 👍
Excellent choice! We hope they are serving you well!
Great test, great drums! Could you tell us the frequencies you tune the toms at the lugs with the bot? Thanks and greets from Germany
We didn't pay THAT close attention, sorry.
Oh man. Just in time for refund season. Dammit Shane!
Hmm, now that I have my Sonor SQ1s maybe it's time to get a Gretsch USA Custom for those times when I want a little something different ;-)
mgdrummer78 i have a Sonor Delite and a Broadkaster and its a great combo. Two completely different sounding kits but they are both incredible