Was Rey Skywalker a Bad Idea or Badly Executed?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Was Rey Skywalker a Bad Idea or Badly Executed?
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Rey Palpatine stealing the Skywalker name was an awful idea.
Too many directions and writing changes and visions failed Rey. I hold the sequels as my least favorite movies of all time and especially Rise because I just see where they could’ve went better with it, or incorporate powerful moments that would’ve made them so much better. A lot of her abilities, moments, and especially her ending just felt so entirely unearned and shoehorned in. This ending was just the final bullet to the head for me.
This ending was what finally convinced me to give Harry Potter a shot. This ending is in my mind the worst conclusion to a movie franchise of all time and after hearing Sean and other people saying how great the conclusion was for Harry Potter, I was convinced to give it a shot to make me feel better and I’m glad I finally gave em a chance, because Deathly Hallows 2 landed the plane a heck of a lot better than “I’m Rey Skywalker.”
I thought Finn was gonna be the main character of the Sequels and have a romance with Rey. 😂😂😂😂
Rey having no parents is infinitely more interesting than how it played out
That was still shit cause it didn’t explain how she was so powerful with zero training
@@Rounderyathecruelsnoke says that darkness rises and light to meet it, basically just the force balancing itself out. Not the best explanation but better than she’s a palpatine
@@GaranSOI balance in the force is absence of the dark side.
@@GaranSOI also that terrible explaination destroys all meaning in the story if the characters have no control over what happens
@@Rounderyathecruelto be fair Anakin was literally created by the force
I think Rey could have worked well as the child and heir of a beloved legacy character. I think Rey could have worked well as a complete newcomer to the world of Jedi and Skywalkers. Unfortunately we had two different creators dueling over those ideas, and her muddled parentage ended up being her main “personality” trait.
Terrible idea and terribly executed
If it was back when TFA had built up the hype and speculation, I wouldn't mind Rey being a skywalker (by blood), but now it was a very bad idea with so many poorly executed ideas in TLJ and TROS(Palpatine)
It was a bad idea. Establishing the bloodlines for Rey to abandon them illustrated how one's actions make someone exceptional, not lineage, especially when Kylo was from the Organas and betrayed their humanitarian ideals. That would have worked perfectly for Rey's character since Lucas filled the Original Trilogy with characters we connected with due to their actions, not their backgrounds.
I actually didn't mind her being a Palpatine. Even more intriguing was her father being a "good guy" Palpatine clone.
A light side Palpatine just sounds very interesting.
I mean I thought the idea of a adopted Skywalker was a bad idea just because the Skywalker Dynasty and bloodline has been such a important part of Starwars. All the way into the EU.
But the fact they couldn’t decide what she actually ever was meant to be in the series till JJ retconed the retcon.
Made it all just one big sh*ty
Bodge
I did not like The Last Jedi (or any of the sequel movies really). But one thing I liked is that Kylo is Vadar's grandson, and Rey can rise to power from being nobody. But I guess the only way to be powerful is to have an important grandfather.
Heres an idea what if by the end of the trilogy Kylo had turned back to the light and rey to the dark so at the start of the trilogy the one we think will be the hero becomes the villan and the one we think will be the villan will be the hero
Both?
Haven’t seen the new trilogy but of course heard everything about them. And I think it was a cool concept and Character but poorly executed imo. The Palpatine idea WAS a bad idea
I don't think it's fair to talk shit or exceptional for something that you haven't seen yourself to form your own opinion
@@adamcade604 I am not talking bad about the film, I’m just stating facts I’ve heard through reviews, so I know of it. I didn’t mean to upset you or anyone.
Everything about Disney Star Wars was a bad idea
Both.
It was a bad idea to have a rando become better at everything than all of the established characters and they completely botched her origin story and her journey.
The thing that upsets me the most about Rey's character is that I was actually invested back when TFA came out because I wrongly assumed that the next movie would explain why she was so powerful. I thought that either she'd be related to Luke thus being in Anakin's bloodline or she was actually one of his students & got her memory wiped to protect her. Her instantly learning Force Abilities would've been her muscle memory coming back to her, something similar to what the game Jedi: Fall Order would do years later as an explanation for why Cal doesn't have all abilities unlocked at the start.
Rey had potential to be a great character with flaws, she was emotional while fighting, impatient, impulsive, and hyper focused on seeing her parents again.
But almost all of these are either ignored, have no real consequences or work out in her favor. Simply turning to the Dark Side in TLJ would've done a lot because it would've recontextulized all the scenes people complained about. Episode 9 was too late for that plotline because even if she did turn she would've been redeemed a half hour later.
Just overall a huge fumble and waste of a character, not as bad as Finn but Rey could've been so much better.
It could have been handles better but in the end it was poorly executed.
Yes to both.
Rise of Skywalker should be the definition of if you try to appeal to everyone, you end up pleasing no one… you could tell that they tried too hard to bring back legacy characters and they tried to hard to appeal to people who hated Last Jedi, so it ended up being a complete mess… I’ve been saying this for years, either JJ should made all the movies or Rian Johnson should’ve directed both TLJ and whatever Ep 9 would’ve been
Interesting fact but Rian Johnson was asked to do IX, he said no
I mean original collin trevorow would take over episode 9 but was thrown out after his next project after Jurassic world was a flop, so because Ryan was making at the same time knives out, Disney brought back desperately jj to publish the case and he made it even worse
@@adamcade604 well my guess is, JJ was originally hired to just adapt IX but when the fans got angry at VIII, JJ got the info to undo any potential damage
Off the top of my head, here’s what I do. Like originally planned, Kylo acts as something of an inverse of Vader. He begins with his conflict between the light and dark, but we watch as the struggle subtly fades, until he’s faced with Han and his conviction sets in as he kills him. Meanwhile Rey Nobody remains the backstory, we’ve seen how emotional she is and how much darkness bubbles inside her that she’s repressed for so long, and with the reveal of her parents being drunkards that abandoned her, and Kylo offering his hand, she takes it, and so she falls too. As per usual, Kylo has killed Snoke, and he will establish his dominance over the galaxy, with Rey at his side as Empress. Finn meanwhile, is revealed in the 7th movie to be force sensitive, and he had been training alongside Rey under Luke. Luke will still die, but this time with Finn present. He had noticed the contrasting light in Fin against a bloody background, compared to the darkness of Rey against her pure background, and Finn will have helped him find himself again after his past actions that lead him to cut himself off from the force, thus the pair would have grown close throughout movie 8 and now this acts as a passing the torch moment. After the revelation of the loss of Rey to the dark side, and Luke Skywalker’s death, he will be forced to train and prepare for a final confrontation against the pair, meanwhile the Resistance pools all resources together for one final, desperate bid against the First Order.
The idea of Rey, being a scavenger, not knowing her past was a good one... the problem is the same as for everything JJ touches... they had no idea what her "past" actually even was when they wrote it and that's the problem.
They were reactive following marketing corporate checklist with no thorough world building and character backstory.
Rey being a Skywalker I think is a great idea, she maybe a Palpatine biologically but is a Skywalker by heart and by choice!
Good idea (except for a palpatine taking the Skywalker name) but the writing was awful
There is not such thing as good or bad ideas, every idea is subjective, there is just good or bad execution!
There's plenty of bad ideas and we can identify them because they dont sell and they turn people off from the product
wrong
@@BaithNaany idea could sound weird or bad in your ears, but it all depends on how good the storytellers or the creatives in general, handle those concepts
Batman v Superman as the second movie in a cinematic universe is a bad idea
@@RJISrisky idea and desperate to catch up with the competing Universe sure is, but if they had pulled together all the things they wanted people wouldn't care
Rey didnt need to be an adopted skywalker. Her parents being nobody was so completely opposite it was almost laughable after all the set up about her until its discovered. She doesnt have nearly the same struggle of anakin or luke. Her learning the lightsaber and the force so quickly was goofy. The main person that Disney and the writers failed here is daisy ridley. She tried with what they forced down her characters throat
Don’t blame the actress.
@@alexeysimushov4971 exactly
The problem is that there was no idea at all until middle of shooting ep 9. They had no idea what to do with her, they started trilogy with ''well we will figure it out'' and they started panicking and they made her Palpatine granddaughter and renamed her ''Skywalker''.
NO IDEA / TERRIBLY EXECUTED
I like the idea of her being a palpatine, I just wish the execution was better.
If anything, it takes the mary sue argument and throws it in the dumpster because the grand child of one of the biggest sith lords probably would be unbelievably powerful
@@adamcade604 true. For me, I like the idea because I was always a fan of the “protagonist being the descendant of a villain” trope. They kind of already played with this idea by her not being a prisoner of her legacy and “becoming” a Skywalker, I just wish the overall build up and execution was better instead of it being an obvious last minute story decision.
Just lazy and boring writing
I really wanna know if Colin Trevorrow episode 9 would’ve been better. I honestly do believe it would’ve been a better director than JJ Abrams and especially Ryan Johnson but it’s hard to say given hell. The Jurassic World trip also has an aged quite well although I definitely prefer it over the sequel trilogy.
Yes very bad ideas
Both, yes.
I'm a die hard George Lucas episodes 1-6 fan and I mostly liked Rey in episode 7 (except for her bs girl-boss moment in the finale). Episodes 8 and 9 especially completely screwed her character and the disney trilogy altogether. Kathleen Kennedy and woke culture are a cancer.
It was the worst idea you could ever think of. Having her the Emperor daughter and bringing back him after we all watched him die was insulting to Star Wars fans & ruined the perfect ending of Return of the Jedi
Neither. It's easily one of the most misunderstood points. Possibly in cinematic history, and it's actually quite depressing that people lack even the slightest understanding of what Abrams was doing.
I was there , three thousand years ago.... And remember that most people LOVED the Force Awakens. there were so many theories on who Snoke was, who Rey's parents were etc etc. The Star Wars fandom was feverish about the future. Even Rogue One made a billion at the box office. And then, well we all know what happened. The tragedy of Ruin Johnson. And here we are. I don't think the fault is in the actress, the idea, or the character. The fault is in the director/ writer of the Last Jedi.
I don’t think the idea of her taking the Skywalker name is bad, as found family is kind of the thing with Rey…but they didn’t do it well in the sequels. I also don’t think the line “Somehow Palpatine returned” is as dumb as people say, as coming from the Resistance’s perspective they had no idea how he came back. Though I still don’t love either thing in the sequels
I like the idea of Rey’s parents not being important because it’s her worst case scenario, really being “no one.” The problem is that TLJ stupidly swats away every established plot point and mysteries needing answers, and that’s too much to expect of audiences after her traumatic visions and connection to the lightsaber we saw in TFA. It looks too like the director saying he didn’t like what he had to work with, because that’s what it was.
At first I didn’t like the idea that she was some random person, but it started to grow on me. The idea that she didn’t come from some royal bloodline didn’t sound too bad. I like message that you don’t have to come from greatness to be great. But I would’ve liked the idea that she could’ve at least been Luke’s student who may have lost her memory. lol.
I just thought the entire story was a mess and just badly executed. I mean we waited years to see the original trilogy characters return and they didn’t show any respect towards them whatsoever. They should have made Luke the main character again and had some new evil come out of the unknown regions.
Moral of the story: alway make sure you know your character that your writing. If you don’t know then they’re pretty much nonexistent
Can you make a video about Maisie Lockwood from Jurassic World Dominion ???
Personally I say neither but I know I’m insane though I prefer the idea of her being a nobody
Not interested in all this, where is your Substance review?
They didn’t have bad ideas, they had no idea to begin with.
Rey skywalker doesn't feel earned just for the sake of it
I actually like Rey. Sue me.
It was an Bad idea that was executed badly
She had more personality than Luke
Rey was just badly executed.
Good idea, bad execution.
She isn't even a character.
Hot take: it was a good idea.
Yes.
Bad idea
bad idea
Both
Jeez this is ur 1000th vid on the sequels lol, running out of ideas
Chasing clicks still