God I've always felt so fucking bad for Donna. There've been companions who died on the job, and companions who've had to go back to their normal lives, but poor Donna Noble basically had to go through both at the same time. She didn't originally come with the Doctor because she was attracted to him, she came because she was so intensely curios and excited about the possibilities beyond the stars, all she ever really wanted was a good bit of adventure. And through her travels, she learned so much about herself. She found her compassion, her confidence, and she finally found true value in her own existence which she hadn't been able to believe for so long. Shane's description that he came to like her more and more over time is I think exactly the crux of her character. You start to like her more and more because she becomes more and more of a good person as she travels and learns with the Doctor. And then... Gone. The whole thing, taken away from her, not because she fucked up but because she unknowingly sacrificed herself to save all of creation. All those things she learned, about herself and about life, wiped from her mind forever, reducing her back to the trite, insecure individual, burying herself in mundane gossip and sassiness to avoid thinking about the bigger questions that the Doctor helped her tackle. Fuck. She'll always be my favorite.
The only plus side is that all of that WAS Donna... sure, the Doctor helped bring it out of her, but SHE was the one who put in the effort to become the person she became. One would like to think that with more encouragement from her mother and certainly a firmer involvement with Wilf (with him not backing off when the mother shouts), she still has the ability to become a better person than she was.... With life, there's hope.
There was a headcanon I read that when Donna's on her deathbed The Doctor visits her and gives her her memories back so she could die knowing how truly important she was.
"But every night, Doctor, when it gets dark, and the stars come out. I'll look up. On her behalf. I'll look up at the sky and think of you..." Such a good moment
Donna is my favorite companion. She also has the saddest ending imo, worse than death. The fact that she is just his friend and has no attraction to the Doctor makes her so badass.
I agree, I mean her situation is rectified a little over the next few specials. Yet, not remembering her brilliant experiences makes her fate even worse than that of Amy and Billie - one of whom was trapped in time, the other who finished her days as a glorified puddle spirit!
agree 100%, honestly the saddest scene for me in Dr Who- the moment when the drums kick in as he says "we had the best of times" kills me. Murray Gold is a freaking genius
Preach. I maintain that Donna was the most screwed-over companion in modern Who. How DARE you not be into the Doctor romantically! Now lose all your character growth and go back to the miserable person you were before he met you! It is worse than death, because even she would've chosen to die as the person she became with him. But he took the choice away from her.
JJ_B IIRC, Moffat was forced to invent that character because Ecclestone wouldn't come back, and the Moment even got a mention in End of Time. The ideas were there, even if the stories weren't written yet.
24:12 I agree with Shane, I always saw it as the Tardis shutting the door. As Shane said it is alive and it doesn't always take the Doctor to where he wants to go but where he needs to be. I took it as the Tardis knew that Donna had to stay inside to save the universe. Aaron does a good job of guiding the conversation so that Shane didn't get drown out.
Am I the only one so sad for the Doctor? He gets to see a duplicate of himself kiss the woman he's pined for and been so sad over all through Martha's run? Like he sat there and watched as what he wished he could have was unattainable. Like he just wants to break open and tell her, but he can't. This episode is sad on top of sad on top of sad, but my god is it so well written.
@@priscamnguni6388 Nah, doctor was clearly heartbroken when he saw Rose kiss his clone. He tried to get away as fast as possible. Thats not how he left Martha. If Rose didn't end up in a different universe in the first place, he would try to stay with her as long as possible. He was deeply in love with her, and he was depressed over her ever since the Doomsday episode. Martha and Donna never filled that hole in his heart. But he chose to sacrifice his own happiness so she could be happy with his clone.
@@danielkiran8174 It would actually be interesting to see the Doctor stay with (and be in love with, possibly) someone throughout their natural life (Jack has done that with his marriages) until they die of old age. (Maybe they'd accelerate the story over the course of years or whatever.) There are later some things that come close to this.
exactly, that's why he didnt confess either, he wished he could spend his life with rose but it was impossible for him, so at least he allows rose to spend her life with him
at 10:23 you see the real reason Mickey left the parallel world. All this time he's been following Rose around like a sad puppy, then he finds out Martha Jones exists and is like "Ok, bye forever! Great new life ahead of me!" and chases after her.
RTD has also said that he considers the scene to be canon, despite it's absence. He hoped that someday they could "slip it in", as though it happened, if they ever returned to the Human-Doctor & Rose. I was kinda hoping Moffat would pick up on that and go with it, but no such luck.
The specials are next. "The Next Doctor" Christmas special. Then "Planet of the Dead" Easterish special Then "Waters Of Mars" Christmas special. Then the two part big "The End of Time" special before season 5 starts.
Maybe but in the UK the End of Time Pt 1 was the Christmas special and Pt 2 was the New Year special. I mean it is a British show after all. Same thing with US shows airing later in the UK
*Sophie Filo* I mean, from a galactic point of view, he's saved the Earth from destruction so many time that he is considered to be it's legal owner. They even gave him a Title of Ownership document or something like that.
*Przemyslaw Zańko* I also thing that the Fourth Doctor having written THIS IS A FAKE at the back of the Mona Lisa with a back marker is among the more "bollocks" moments. Said Mona Lisa was also made of an alien paint that made her alive but dormant.
Davros has been able to shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers since 'Revelation of the Daleks' with Colin Baker, in classic Who. There was a precedent!
kindda sad they miss out that Davros moment where he talks about all the people who have died in the Doctor's name - but if it means I get their reaction to that heartbreaking end I don't mind so much
I think the human Doctor didn’t say “I love you” out loud because it would hurt the other doctor to hear it, and he didn’t say it because he was leaving her. Rose got what she wanted, but the Doctor still lost her.
If Ten had said it out loud, Rose never would have been able to go on with Ten.2. As it is, she gets the same man but they can grow old together. Ten.2 will combine Nine and Ten in some ways, as they mention in the commentary. He was born like Nine but has, from his point of view, experienced everything Nine has. I felt funny about this whole thing at the time, but I guess it does work out the best for Rose.
Donna's ending was just so sad. I still tear up thinking about it. I agree with some people that there was too much going on in this episode, but it still worked for me. The gang talking about the sentience of the TARDIS makes me look forward to them watching The Doctor's Wife. I'm also looking forward to some of the great episodes of season 5 as well.
I absolutely love Kalvin’s knowing and giddy grin at 7:04 when Davos recognized Sarah Jane, especially because that was the same look on my father’s face when we first saw that scene. One of the biggest connections in the Doctor Who Mythos and the fact that both Sarah Jane AND Davos react like they do is completely fantastic. and I like that said connection is noticed by Blindwave, no matter how subtly I
To be fair, the Daleks didn't have Davros and Caan as prisoners in the basement, they were more like oddities. They respect Davros's role in their creation and Caan's prophecies enough to keep them alive, but they still ultimately view them as inferior discrepancies to the perfect Dalek existence. So it's not completely weird to have the control panel down there with them. I always figured Davros was basically like their retired parent or something. Like, if your dad is in a tough spot in his old age and he needs to move in with you unexpectedly, of course you're going to give him a place to live and be nice to him and all. But at the same time, you're still gonna be kinda awkward about it lol.
I find Donna's departure to be the saddest out of all of them. Amy's being a close second She grew to be a better person only for all of that to be taken away from her.
GarikLoran Makes you think as well, The First Doctor was a young childlike man trying to seem older and authoritative while the Eleventh Doctor is an incredibly old man trying to appear young and childlike
You guys ourght to watch the classic "Genesis of the Daleks" serial to get a good feel for Davros. It also said to be the opening salvo of the 3rd time war.
Donna’s exit is heartbreaking and probably one of the most emotional exits to come from Doctor Who. She developed so much from her adventures and grew as a person and became so much more fleshed out thanks to The Doctor. The fact that all that character development is stripped away and she’s reverted back to the person she was before the Doctor is very upsetting and heartbreaking. This finale is easily the best Doctor Who episodes in my opinion. Such a strong two parter that marks as a great round up and send off for all the first four seasons. Many great moments such as Martha expressing surprise that The Doctor found Rose; Rose acknowledging how good Martha was: the interaction with Mickey; Jack; Sarah Jane and Jackie. Icing on the cake is when Davros tells The Doctor the real truth in the fact that he transforms humans into weapons and soldiers etc. The scene between Sarah Jane and Davros was also good! My favourite part is everyone flying the Tardis together. Such a beautifully composed and paced scene which really warms my heart every time and it’s genuinely tragic that we will never see The Doctor’s family reunite together again. That moment will always have a special place in my hand and it’s one of the reasons why I love the RTD era. So much heart; fun: great developed characters and wonderful interactions. Only 5 more episodes left for Blind Wave! Oh boy! I can already feel the emotions rising! :D
Damn I cried once again at the Donna exit. It's so tragic. Donna is my favorite, she is unique and her personality truly stands out. Plus Catherine Tate's acting is off the roof. I like Rose, sure, but I never felt like she existed other than as "the love interest". She didn't really have a personality.
What is cut from this episode and revealed later by T. Davies and Moffat is that The Doctor gives his other self the seed of a Tardis and there are even book stories where Tennant and Rose travel togeter in the alternate universe!
when the doctors suit is blue the episode took place in the future, and brown if the episode took place in the past - same with matt smith's bow tie (red for the future and blue for the past)
with all the tragedy, heartbreak, and love that pours from this finale, my favorite lines are still" Rose: "Three Doctors?" Cpt. Jack: "I...I-I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now"
donna is easily my favorite companion. i love the platonic relationship between her and the doctor and how they are truly best friends and the episode turn left just shows how much of a posotive impact she had on his life and vice versa comparing how she was in her first episode compared to her last. the way she went out forgetting the doctor and her experiences is easily the most heart retching scene too cathrine tate really sells how devastated donna is in losing this life love her as a companion one of the best there is!
9:30 this song is epic. I always imagine the choirs of Time Lords singing the Doctor on to his absolution, saving Earth as he couldn't save Gallifrey. The Latin lyrics are also powerful: Dum inter homines, sumus colamus humanita (cum tacent clament): "When amongst humans, let us be humane."
I literally, and I mean literally, just finish watching the previous episode I was so late watching that video, cause I went to college just now XD Dang, talk about perfect timing
Hearing the Daleks scream in German is kind of a throwback to...well....you know. If you ever saw the classic "Genesis of the Daleks" it would be even more apparent.
They cut a joke: when Jack says "I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now" Donna took a step towards him and was stopped by the Doctor [one of them] grabbing the back of her coat and pulling her back
I loved Tennant while he was the doctor but Matt Smith quickly became my favorite. Donna was one of my favorite companions and seeing her go is always so sad to me. Cause you know how happy traveling with the Doctor made her. It filled an empty space in her life. Loosing all those memories is the worst thing that could happen.
For those of you who see this comment as a week old a few minutes after it's released on UA-cam, it's just a small matter of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
Again love this! It is a bit frustrating how you view Donna as some loud mouth whose a bit funny whilst completely overlooking her biggest and best personality trait her compassion. I mean that was her whole character, she's like his conscious; telling the Doctor "that's enough," to saving someone in Pompeii, hell willing to share the burden of Pompeii, the understanding of the Ood that even Rose lacked, heart to heart with Agatha Christie, helping the Doctor accept Jenny so on and so forth. Sorry I'm biased because she is my favorite so I really can't help myself, that said I did love hearing your thoughts though. I mean as some one who didn't think much of Rose seeing your enthusiasm for her made me appreciate her more if only for the joy she gave you. Anyways I love how you reacted to Mickey and Wilf, yes they deserve recognition! I mean the way you all smiled when Mickey and Jack hugged filled me with such joy.
Side note about Donna: Although they never managed to get it into broadcast, the creators had intended to have a scene/dialogue where we find out that she's now working for a charity. So, although she doesn't realise it, she has still been changed by her travels with the Doctor and is still fighting the good fight. :-)
it's just so sad. he loses everything and has to do it all himself. the way he looks at rose and tentoo just breaks me; everything he could never have right in front of him, and he has to walk away.
Coming to the end of Russell T Davies run these final 2 episodes are a great culmination of his characters and story lines (with a bit more to come). I love all the threads coming together, things you didn't think of as being important at the time - like the lost moon of Poosh.
Along with the specials, make sure to watch the Wedding of Sarah Jane. It takes place alongside the specials. And also Eric, Rose is also my favorite companion. Her and the Doctor just have the best chemistry by far. I still love Martha, Donna, Jack, and Mickey, and the past companions in Old Who, but yeah.
Really love how you guys combined the thumbnails for your Doctor Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane reactions for these final episodes. Truly the most ambitious crossover event in history.
So many emotional parts to this episode, but after all the family togetherness with his old companions and friends he still ends up being the lonely traveller in the tardis.
1:55 Aaron tries and fails to stand Rose up for a solid 15 seconds then passes it to Calvin who picks it up, looks at it, and sticks it back on the first try.
Great intro and good reaction. But I wish you guys had time to include a reaction to the Doctor recalling all those he's lost in his adventures, whose deaths he felt responsible for. An emotional moment in the episode, one of many. Donna's departure is high on my list. It's been years since I first watched this episode and what happened to her still affects me. And it still hurts to watch Wilfred cry. He was right about Donna. She was the best version of herself around the Doctor.
Hey, Comment Section. Wanna get sad about Donna? Type "I'm nothing special" into UA-cam, there is a video by Margarita Life and it just encapsulates her character/story so well. (Contains some spoilers, if you are following along with the guys.)
One thing to note about the daleks is that the show doesn't actually have exclusive rights to use them. The dalek copyright is held by Terry Nation, the writer who created them. The show is contractually obliged to keep featuring the daleks, otherwise they'll lose their rights to feature them all together. Although Steven Moffat has stated that they bring the daleks back for creative reasons, not due to any obligation, but even if it _is_ true that they bring them back due to "creative choice", it isn't like they have much of a choice in this matter, regardless.
I still cried so hard just watching the end of Donna she was so wonderful and her journey ends in such a heartbreaking way.. she will stay my favorite forever
Same. I know the back half of season 7 is a mess, and that season 6 was a bit of a frustration, but I could say the same about seasons 2-4 which are also highly inconsistent but charming in their own way. I just love Matt Smith's approach on Doctor Who! Also, we still have Tennant's finale left, and he is brilliant in it.
I think it's much more childish to leap on any Moffat thread with tireless complaints. Also - how big crossover punch ups with tin boxes known as Daleks is sophisticated while complex, interwoven thematically resonant stories about the consequences of time is childish is a mystery to me.
I actually liked how Moffat’s seasons told an overall story. It made episodes seem more connected. They were more random during Tennant’s tenure. Sure they had bad wolf, but that was more of a brief sentence mentioned every few episodes.
I agree, and i love how thematically focused it became. The Doctor's main enemy tended to be ideas such as time, fate or destiny rather than tin boxes saying 'Exterminate' . Sure it wasn't perfect, but considering how bad the first half of this season was, I don't see why Moffat gets so much criticism.
The most beautiful dream you can never remember. But unlike a dream, not even a feeling will be left when she wakes up. Man this episode really kills me, oh Donna
"Actually we're both called the doctor" "What? but thats just lazy writing, not to mention confusing" "what till season 4 when there are 3 of me running around, even the fans have trouble keeping up with that one"
Donna got seriously short-changed in her series. Rose and Martha both had a full series of Doctor-Companion [each with one Doctor-Comanion-light episode, so 12 each]. But not Donna. She shared 3 episodes with Martha, one she was only in as bookends; she did have one Doctor-light episode, but she shared that with Rose, and the last two episodes she shared with everyone. She was in a Christmas special, but Rose had one too. There were only six Doctor-Companion episodes in this series. So we only had six episodes to fall in love with Donna.
33:21 the obvious answer as to what the Doctor whispered to Rose is "I love you" but I also wondered if it could have been his name. I don't think this would have had as big of an impact on Rose though (would she have understood the magnitude of what he was saying).
They do explain how Dalek Cann knew what was coming, he had fallen through time, over and over and saw what was coming and went mad from his continuous fall through time. Davros explained it. But he (Davros) thought Dalek Cann saw the end of reality, not end of the Daleks.
This "regeneration" is the pay-off of a McGuffin troughout Torchwood. The ACTUAL regeneration is foreshadowed in The Sarah Jane Adventures AND (technically) Torchwood : COE.
It's thing that drives the plot until it's opened/activated/found/gathered/unveiled, after which, it drives the plot forwards in another way. (At least that's what I always thought it was.) Examples of MacGuffins : The Infinity Stones, the Zeo crystals from Power Rangers (the series), the little box Fury gave Coulson at the end of season 1.
What I mean is that it's an "Easter Egg" of sort and a subplot throughout Torchwood Season 1 (my mistake for not being specific) with Jack being strangely protective of this random hand in a jar, until it turns out to be the Doctor's hand and TARDIS locator of some kind (kick-starting the Series 3 ending crossover but not making it a MacGuffin yet). This all culminated when this random hand in a jar turned out to be a receptacle for regenerative energy and grows a second Doctor (no, not THAT one) along with creating the Doctor-Donna. It started as a paper-weight in the Torchwood hub and eventually turned into the Doctor that ends up with Rose.
Anyway, I was just pointing out that this regeneration is the payoff of an Easter Egg from Torchwood and that the proper regeneration will be the payoff of a foreshadowing from SJA. Just pointing out how both of the 10th Doctor's regeneration are set up discretely in spin-offs.
Donna: "I saw the Doctor!"
Dr. Moon:" Yes you did Donna, and then you forgot"
MewMewInu so good
Fuck I’ve watched episodes so many times and never clocked onto that holy shit , how cool!
Erin Forbes s a m e
Man, i can't believe after 10+ rewatches, i just realized this now.
Reversing the word "saw" also makes it a true statement now.
God I've always felt so fucking bad for Donna. There've been companions who died on the job, and companions who've had to go back to their normal lives, but poor Donna Noble basically had to go through both at the same time. She didn't originally come with the Doctor because she was attracted to him, she came because she was so intensely curios and excited about the possibilities beyond the stars, all she ever really wanted was a good bit of adventure. And through her travels, she learned so much about herself. She found her compassion, her confidence, and she finally found true value in her own existence which she hadn't been able to believe for so long. Shane's description that he came to like her more and more over time is I think exactly the crux of her character. You start to like her more and more because she becomes more and more of a good person as she travels and learns with the Doctor.
And then... Gone. The whole thing, taken away from her, not because she fucked up but because she unknowingly sacrificed herself to save all of creation. All those things she learned, about herself and about life, wiped from her mind forever, reducing her back to the trite, insecure individual, burying herself in mundane gossip and sassiness to avoid thinking about the bigger questions that the Doctor helped her tackle. Fuck. She'll always be my favorite.
Wolf6120 So tragic :'(
I couldn't've put it better myself
The only plus side is that all of that WAS Donna... sure, the Doctor helped bring it out of her, but SHE was the one who put in the effort to become the person she became. One would like to think that with more encouragement from her mother and certainly a firmer involvement with Wilf (with him not backing off when the mother shouts), she still has the ability to become a better person than she was....
With life, there's hope.
At least Wilf and her mom know.
Look up the Second Doctor's companions Zoey and Jamie. What happened to them was beyond not fair.
There was a headcanon I read that when Donna's on her deathbed The Doctor visits her and gives her her memories back so she could die knowing how truly important she was.
osumarko This is incredible
I think it was a Fanfic: I remember seeing it. (Didn't read it though, it didn't really appeal to me.)
Headcanon immediately adopted
@@noobsunrider5843 It was a fan fic. Also in the fan fix it was 11 who gave the memory back.
Moffat and rtd said they liked the idea
Wow that's a tremendous idea!
"But every night, Doctor, when it gets dark, and the stars come out. I'll look up. On her behalf. I'll look up at the sky and think of you..."
Such a good moment
RIP Bernard Cribbins
Donna is my favorite companion. She also has the saddest ending imo, worse than death. The fact that she is just his friend and has no attraction to the Doctor makes her so badass.
I agree, I mean her situation is rectified a little over the next few specials. Yet, not remembering her brilliant experiences makes her fate even worse than that of Amy and Billie - one of whom was trapped in time, the other who finished her days as a glorified puddle spirit!
NPE 94 I would love to be a celestial puddle instead of having my soul ripped by raven.
agree 100%, honestly the saddest scene for me in Dr Who- the moment when the drums kick in as he says "we had the best of times" kills me. Murray Gold is a freaking genius
Preach. I maintain that Donna was the most screwed-over companion in modern Who. How DARE you not be into the Doctor romantically! Now lose all your character growth and go back to the miserable person you were before he met you! It is worse than death, because even she would've chosen to die as the person she became with him. But he took the choice away from her.
Margi Fisher - Her and the Dr definitively NOT being attracted to each other was definitely part of what made them work as a team.
Imo.
The fact you had Matt Smith on the table is hilarious
i was expecting that
He's just chillin with Tennant
When?
@@phantomsearcher2.92the whole time
An even "younger" Doctor.
Willfred Mott is the best! One of my favorite background characters of all time.
His speech with the gun in a few weeks always makes me cry...
Bernard Cribbins is a national treasure.
Matthew Nash best companion
Whoa, Blind Wave loved your comment?
Supporting characters
I just realized that at 8:35 the Dalek says he sees the truth, and decrees "No More" that's great foreshadowing for future episodes. Spoilers...
Matthew Nash Yeah I noticed that a while ago
It's not forshadowing if Moffat didn't invent John Hurt's character until 5 years after this.
JJ_B IIRC, Moffat was forced to invent that character because Ecclestone wouldn't come back, and the Moment even got a mention in End of Time. The ideas were there, even if the stories weren't written yet.
Call back then?
He could (and should) have used Paul McGann
24:12 I agree with Shane, I always saw it as the Tardis shutting the door. As Shane said it is alive and it doesn't always take the Doctor to where he wants to go but where he needs to be. I took it as the Tardis knew that Donna had to stay inside to save the universe.
Aaron does a good job of guiding the conversation so that Shane didn't get drown out.
Am I the only one so sad for the Doctor? He gets to see a duplicate of himself kiss the woman he's pined for and been so sad over all through Martha's run? Like he sat there and watched as what he wished he could have was unattainable. Like he just wants to break open and tell her, but he can't. This episode is sad on top of sad on top of sad, but my god is it so well written.
@@priscamnguni6388 Nah, doctor was clearly heartbroken when he saw Rose kiss his clone. He tried to get away as fast as possible. Thats not how he left Martha.
If Rose didn't end up in a different universe in the first place, he would try to stay with her as long as possible. He was deeply in love with her, and he was depressed over her ever since the Doomsday episode. Martha and Donna never filled that hole in his heart.
But he chose to sacrifice his own happiness so she could be happy with his clone.
@@danielkiran8174 It would actually be interesting to see the Doctor stay with (and be in love with, possibly) someone throughout their natural life (Jack has done that with his marriages) until they die of old age. (Maybe they'd accelerate the story over the course of years or whatever.) There are later some things that come close to this.
exactly, that's why he didnt confess either, he wished he could spend his life with rose but it was impossible for him, so at least he allows rose to spend her life with him
there is a reason bernard cribbins (The actor who plays wilfred) is a national treasure. everyone loves him!
I just learned he was also in a Doctor Who film from 1966, Daleks - Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
Rest in Peace
at 10:23 you see the real reason Mickey left the parallel world. All this time he's been following Rose around like a sad puppy, then he finds out Martha Jones exists and is like "Ok, bye forever! Great new life ahead of me!" and chases after her.
Martha is worth everything.
There is a deleted scene where the Doctor gives Rose and the human Doctor a piece of coral from the Tardis so they could grow their own Tardis.
RTD has also said that he considers the scene to be canon, despite it's absence. He hoped that someday they could "slip it in", as though it happened, if they ever returned to the Human-Doctor & Rose. I was kinda hoping Moffat would pick up on that and go with it, but no such luck.
It's the " '(sigh) We humans are stupid egotistical self-deluded beings'"-guy!! Hello!
@@TheMaitoPulla ...what?
I would have totally watched a spin-off of human-Doctor and Rose. Damn you!
Probably deleted it because it would take ages for a full TARDIS to grow.
The specials are next.
"The Next Doctor" Christmas special.
Then "Planet of the Dead" Easterish special
Then "Waters Of Mars" Christmas special.
Then the two part big "The End of Time" special before season 5 starts.
The Water Of Mars aired around October it wasn’t a Christmas Special
15 November 2009 on BBC and 19 December on BBC America.
dodgermutt If we want to be technical, we could count it as a Thanksgiving special (if we want to be American, that is)
But in the US it aired around Christmas.
Maybe but in the UK the End of Time Pt 1 was the Christmas special and Pt 2 was the New Year special. I mean it is a British show after all. Same thing with US shows airing later in the UK
Dragging the Earth back is like PEAK Doctor Who bollocks, but man these episodes were so enjoyable.
HellfireComms Eric summed it up perfectly "Imma just ignore the physics problem here, this is too awesome"
Did you guys know that at some point, the Seventh Doctor legally OWNED Earth?
It was in an audio episode.
William Gionet
Well, The Doctor is the president, so he might as well...
*Sophie Filo*
I mean, from a galactic point of view, he's saved the Earth from destruction so many time that he is considered to be it's legal owner. They even gave him a Title of Ownership document or something like that.
*Przemyslaw Zańko*
I also thing that the Fourth Doctor having written THIS IS A FAKE at the back of the Mona Lisa with a back marker is among the more "bollocks" moments. Said Mona Lisa was also made of an alien paint that made her alive but dormant.
Davros has been able to shoot lightning bolts out of his fingers since 'Revelation of the Daleks' with Colin Baker, in classic Who. There was a precedent!
kindda sad they miss out that Davros moment where he talks about all the people who have died in the Doctor's name - but if it means I get their reaction to that heartbreaking end I don't mind so much
Raymondo you can watch it on full length
How?
Unconventional Jack
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"part Time-Lord, part human".
You could call it - a hybrid 👀
MailDude Holy hell I never noticed this
No no no! We are not going there!
MailDude according to the doctor who movie, part part time lord part human part human
dan b And there's a reason why it's never been brought up again
Clearly Moffat forgot this episode and the movie existed.
I think the human Doctor didn’t say “I love you” out loud because it would hurt the other doctor to hear it, and he didn’t say it because he was leaving her. Rose got what she wanted, but the Doctor still lost her.
If Ten had said it out loud, Rose never would have been able to go on with Ten.2. As it is, she gets the same man but they can grow old together. Ten.2 will combine Nine and Ten in some ways, as they mention in the commentary. He was born like Nine but has, from his point of view, experienced everything Nine has. I felt funny about this whole thing at the time, but I guess it does work out the best for Rose.
The end of The DoctorDonna! My favourite companion who got the most tragic end. It still kills me today! :'(
Donna's ending was just so sad. I still tear up thinking about it. I agree with some people that there was too much going on in this episode, but it still worked for me. The gang talking about the sentience of the TARDIS makes me look forward to them watching The Doctor's Wife. I'm also looking forward to some of the great episodes of season 5 as well.
I feel even worse for poor Wilfred.
Once they get to Matt Smith, so many of their questions will be answered. I'm so looking forward to it. My Doctor, I hope they love him like I do.
And now we wait for Waters of Mars
grippingrope99 not yet my friend. Two more episodes before that
The next Doctor first!
yes, the governor is a time lord
I always cry in this
I absolutely love Kalvin’s knowing and giddy grin at 7:04 when Davos recognized Sarah Jane, especially because that was the same look on my father’s face when we first saw that scene. One of the biggest connections in the Doctor Who Mythos and the fact that both Sarah Jane AND Davos react like they do is completely fantastic. and I like that said connection is noticed by Blindwave, no matter how subtly I
To be fair, the Daleks didn't have Davros and Caan as prisoners in the basement, they were more like oddities. They respect Davros's role in their creation and Caan's prophecies enough to keep them alive, but they still ultimately view them as inferior discrepancies to the perfect Dalek existence. So it's not completely weird to have the control panel down there with them.
I always figured Davros was basically like their retired parent or something. Like, if your dad is in a tough spot in his old age and he needs to move in with you unexpectedly, of course you're going to give him a place to live and be nice to him and all. But at the same time, you're still gonna be kinda awkward about it lol.
Donna’s exit is ever so sad...great reaction, guys!
I find Donna's departure to be the saddest out of all of them. Amy's being a close second
She grew to be a better person only for all of that to be taken away from her.
When the Doctor heard the baby's name, he was humbled and honored. "Really?" Then...
"No! He's called Tony."
Tennant is my fav but Matt Smith is great as well.. looking forward to rewatching him as the doctor!
Agreed. Matt Smith does a great job of seeming young but feeling old, and he gives some greats speeches.
GarikLoran Makes you think as well, The First Doctor was a young childlike man trying to seem older and authoritative while the Eleventh Doctor is an incredibly old man trying to appear young and childlike
No ones better than P.Cs Doctor at speeches... sorry
Shame Matt Smith didn’t have any great episodes
Doesn't it get tiring coming on every video and having something negative to say?
You guys ourght to watch the classic "Genesis of the Daleks" serial to get a good feel for Davros. It also said to be the opening salvo of the 3rd time war.
5:09 “if you bring over a naked David Tennant” 😂
Donna’s exit is heartbreaking and probably one of the most emotional exits to come from Doctor Who. She developed so much from her adventures and grew as a person and became so much more fleshed out thanks to The Doctor. The fact that all that character development is stripped away and she’s reverted back to the person she was before the Doctor is very upsetting and heartbreaking. This finale is easily the best Doctor Who episodes in my opinion. Such a strong two parter that marks as a great round up and send off for all the first four seasons. Many great moments such as Martha expressing surprise that The Doctor found Rose; Rose acknowledging how good Martha was: the interaction with Mickey; Jack; Sarah Jane and Jackie. Icing on the cake is when Davros tells The Doctor the real truth in the fact that he transforms humans into weapons and soldiers etc. The scene between Sarah Jane and Davros was also good! My favourite part is everyone flying the Tardis together. Such a beautifully composed and paced scene which really warms my heart every time and it’s genuinely tragic that we will never see The Doctor’s family reunite together again. That moment will always have a special place in my hand and it’s one of the reasons why I love the RTD era. So much heart; fun: great developed characters and wonderful interactions. Only 5 more episodes left for Blind Wave! Oh boy! I can already feel the emotions rising! :D
Thanks to that stupid hand My Debut was delayed. See you guys in 5 Episodes.
Or six weeks. Grr.
Damn I cried once again at the Donna exit. It's so tragic. Donna is my favorite, she is unique and her personality truly stands out. Plus Catherine Tate's acting is off the roof. I like Rose, sure, but I never felt like she existed other than as "the love interest". She didn't really have a personality.
What is cut from this episode and revealed later by T. Davies and Moffat is that The Doctor gives his other self the seed of a Tardis and there are even book stories where Tennant and Rose travel togeter in the alternate universe!
when the doctors suit is blue the episode took place in the future, and brown if the episode took place in the past - same with matt smith's bow tie (red for the future and blue for the past)
You guys should watch THAT sarah jane episode, sarah janes wedding before the end of time.
"And I decreed 'No More'" hmmmm....might wanna Rememebr those words for later down the road.
*Spoilers for Capaldi era*
Davros: I...am...dying, Doctor
Doctor: Yeah you keep saying that you keep not dying. Can you give it some welly!
He Will Knock 4 Times
I don't want to go...
I cried when spiderman said that.
NPE 94 The Pandorica will open, Silence will fall
I was told he will nock 4 times
The Gate is waiting for you...
with all the tragedy, heartbreak, and love that pours from this finale, my favorite lines are still"
Rose: "Three Doctors?"
Cpt. Jack: "I...I-I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now"
donna is easily my favorite companion. i love the platonic relationship between her and the doctor and how they are truly best friends and the episode turn left just shows how much of a posotive impact she had on his life and vice versa comparing how she was in her first episode compared to her last. the way she went out forgetting the doctor and her experiences is easily the most heart retching scene too cathrine tate really sells how devastated donna is in losing this life love her as a companion one of the best there is!
"That's the one that's gonna get away. And come back next time." Eric knows the game all too well now! :D
8:30 "I saw the truth of us, Creator, and I decreed NO MORE."
FORESHADOWING
9:30 this song is epic. I always imagine the choirs of Time Lords singing the Doctor on to his absolution, saving Earth as he couldn't save Gallifrey. The Latin lyrics are also powerful: Dum inter homines, sumus colamus humanita (cum tacent clament): "When amongst humans, let us be humane."
*GASP* He said it!! Dalek Caan said THE WORDS!! The words that would resonate throughout The Day of the Doctor!!
Rhys Frechette now I want Caan and the Doctor fight together xD
I literally, and I mean literally, just finish watching the previous episode
I was so late watching that video, cause I went to college just now XD
Dang, talk about perfect timing
Azizul Adnan you’re not that late, they posted the last one yesterday.
Hearing the Daleks scream in German is kind of a throwback to...well....you know. If you ever saw the classic "Genesis of the Daleks" it would be even more apparent.
They cut a joke: when Jack says "I can't tell you what I'm thinking right now" Donna took a step towards him and was stopped by the Doctor [one of them] grabbing the back of her coat and pulling her back
14:48 lightning... "He didn't used to do that"... yes he did hehe In the 1985 story "Revalation of the Daleks" he does have lightning powers
I loved Tennant while he was the doctor but Matt Smith quickly became my favorite. Donna was one of my favorite companions and seeing her go is always so sad to me. Cause you know how happy traveling with the Doctor made her. It filled an empty space in her life. Loosing all those memories is the worst thing that could happen.
The meta crises doctor and Rose do have a daughter in the Titan Comics. Her name is Mia.
For those of you who see this comment as a week old a few minutes after it's released on UA-cam, it's just a small matter of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
Think of like a big ball...
The Great and Powerful Kevin
You posted this comment 6 days ago, The video was posted today.......
*doctor who theme starts playing*
Bowl*
Did you alter the date and time on your computer or something?
10 and donna were such an iconic duo and theirs respective fates made me so sad. genuinely almost cried at their last appearences
Again love this! It is a bit frustrating how you view Donna as some loud mouth whose a bit funny whilst completely overlooking her biggest and best personality trait her compassion. I mean that was her whole character, she's like his conscious; telling the Doctor "that's enough," to saving someone in Pompeii, hell willing to share the burden of Pompeii, the understanding of the Ood that even Rose lacked, heart to heart with Agatha Christie, helping the Doctor accept Jenny so on and so forth. Sorry I'm biased because she is my favorite so I really can't help myself, that said I did love hearing your thoughts though. I mean as some one who didn't think much of Rose seeing your enthusiasm for her made me appreciate her more if only for the joy she gave you. Anyways I love how you reacted to Mickey and Wilf, yes they deserve recognition! I mean the way you all smiled when Mickey and Jack hugged filled me with such joy.
The end of Donna Noble is one of the most tragic scenes in dr who for me.
Guys please watch the wedding of Sarah Jane - it's brilliant and sad and features David tennant
Side note about Donna:
Although they never managed to get it into broadcast, the creators had intended to have a scene/dialogue where we find out that she's now working for a charity.
So, although she doesn't realise it, she has still been changed by her travels with the Doctor and is still fighting the good fight.
:-)
That "No More" from the squiggly wiggly has more impact once you're all caught up on the series.
He might have been one of the Daleks who saw the graffiti.
it's just so sad. he loses everything and has to do it all himself. the way he looks at rose and tentoo just breaks me; everything he could never have right in front of him, and he has to walk away.
Coming to the end of Russell T Davies run these final 2 episodes are a great culmination of his characters and story lines (with a bit more to come). I love all the threads coming together, things you didn't think of as being important at the time - like the lost moon of Poosh.
I have never been so excited to watch someone else watch something before!! Can't wait to get home so I can enjoy the episode with you guys =)
Along with the specials, make sure to watch the Wedding of Sarah Jane. It takes place alongside the specials. And also Eric, Rose is also my favorite companion. Her and the Doctor just have the best chemistry by far. I still love Martha, Donna, Jack, and Mickey, and the past companions in Old Who, but yeah.
Really love how you guys combined the thumbnails for your Doctor Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane reactions for these final episodes. Truly the most ambitious crossover event in history.
The actor that played Davros was the same actor that played the ringmaster in Torchwood.
You have to see "Genesis of the Daleks". The best thing about this episode is Sarah Jane's reaction to meeting Davros
Its been 10 years since this finale...
So many emotional parts to this episode, but after all the family togetherness with his old companions and friends he still ends up being the lonely traveller in the tardis.
1:55 Aaron tries and fails to stand Rose up for a solid 15 seconds then passes it to Calvin who picks it up, looks at it, and sticks it back on the first try.
6:15 Yup. Davros designed a giant machine that could Thanos the multiverse. No magic stones, just lots of metal.
6:17 ‘I don’t feel so good...’
😭😭😭
Great intro and good reaction. But I wish you guys had time to include a reaction to the Doctor recalling all those he's lost in his adventures, whose deaths he felt responsible for. An emotional moment in the episode, one of many. Donna's departure is high on my list. It's been years since I first watched this episode and what happened to her still affects me. And it still hurts to watch Wilfred cry. He was right about Donna. She was the best version of herself around the Doctor.
My favorite thing about this was that Doctor Donna and Clone Doctor both used the mannerisms/speech patterns of their opposites.
Hey, Comment Section. Wanna get sad about Donna? Type "I'm nothing special" into UA-cam, there is a video by Margarita Life and it just encapsulates her character/story so well. (Contains some spoilers, if you are following along with the guys.)
DarkAeolus 👌
One thing to note about the daleks is that the show doesn't actually have exclusive rights to use them. The dalek copyright is held by Terry Nation, the writer who created them. The show is contractually obliged to keep featuring the daleks, otherwise they'll lose their rights to feature them all together. Although Steven Moffat has stated that they bring the daleks back for creative reasons, not due to any obligation, but even if it _is_ true that they bring them back due to "creative choice", it isn't like they have much of a choice in this matter, regardless.
James G
That's a rumor that we still don't have definitive proof for. It's likely this is the case, but we can't know for sure...
12:19 a gif is born
Man the waters of mars episode is almost here - that shit was terrifying
I still cried so hard just watching the end of Donna she was so wonderful and her journey ends in such a heartbreaking way.. she will stay my favorite forever
I’m so excited y’all are finally meeting Matt Smith! Ten will always have a special place in my heart, but Eleven is right there beside him!
I never realized, that the visionary Dalek said : "i saw the truht of us creator and i decreed : "no more!"
I love Tennant, but I’m ready for Matt Smith!
Same. I know the back half of season 7 is a mess, and that season 6 was a bit of a frustration, but I could say the same about seasons 2-4 which are also highly inconsistent but charming in their own way. I just love Matt Smith's approach on Doctor Who! Also, we still have Tennant's finale left, and he is brilliant in it.
I’m dreading the Moffat era that’s when the show got Childish
I think it's much more childish to leap on any Moffat thread with tireless complaints. Also - how big crossover punch ups with tin boxes known as Daleks is sophisticated while complex, interwoven thematically resonant stories about the consequences of time is childish is a mystery to me.
I actually liked how Moffat’s seasons told an overall story. It made episodes seem more connected. They were more random during Tennant’s tenure. Sure they had bad wolf, but that was more of a brief sentence mentioned every few episodes.
I agree, and i love how thematically focused it became. The Doctor's main enemy tended to be ideas such as time, fate or destiny rather than tin boxes saying 'Exterminate' . Sure it wasn't perfect, but considering how bad the first half of this season was, I don't see why Moffat gets so much criticism.
The most beautiful dream you can never remember. But unlike a dream, not even a feeling will be left when she wakes up. Man this episode really kills me, oh Donna
knock knock knock knock
The next time we see The Daleks they are Jelly Babies
Go Go Power Rangers!
Back street boys come on!
Overweight Telly Tubbies
I fucking hate that design
09:13 Calvin defending K-9’s ridiculous design is hilarious to me 😆
_We've reached the journey's end, having a laugh inside the TARDIS._
_Though it didn't make much sense, it's always nice to see them Daleks._
We are coming, We are coming, We are here.
So happy they're finally going to start this.
Davros has been around longer than palpatine
"Actually we're both called the doctor"
"What? but thats just lazy writing, not to mention confusing"
"what till season 4 when there are 3 of me running around, even the fans have trouble keeping up with that one"
Donna got seriously short-changed in her series.
Rose and Martha both had a full series of Doctor-Companion [each with one Doctor-Comanion-light episode, so 12 each].
But not Donna.
She shared 3 episodes with Martha, one she was only in as bookends; she did have one Doctor-light episode, but she shared that with Rose, and the last two episodes she shared with everyone.
She was in a Christmas special, but Rose had one too.
There were only six Doctor-Companion episodes in this series.
So we only had six episodes to fall in love with Donna.
Why. On. Earth. Are these titles so EPIC!? Well done!
33:21 the obvious answer as to what the Doctor whispered to Rose is "I love you" but I also wondered if it could have been his name. I don't think this would have had as big of an impact on Rose though (would she have understood the magnitude of what he was saying).
BEST SCENE EVER!!! THAT TARDIS FLY SCENE!! OOH the meemories makes me tear up
The way Aaron stared Shane down when he said he felt like it was an end of an era. XD
These guys need to stop unintentionally predicting stuff...
“If you bring a naked David Tennant! I cracked
They do explain how Dalek Cann knew what was coming, he had fallen through time, over and over and saw what was coming and went mad from his continuous fall through time. Davros explained it. But he (Davros) thought Dalek Cann saw the end of reality, not end of the Daleks.
Actually, Genesis of the Daleks is considered the first shots of the Last Great Time War.
Davros may remind you of senator Palpatine but Davros is was first . He appeared in 1974
6:15 Doctor, I don't feel so good...
This "regeneration" is the pay-off of a McGuffin troughout Torchwood.
The ACTUAL regeneration is foreshadowed in The Sarah Jane Adventures AND (technically) Torchwood : COE.
It's thing that drives the plot until it's opened/activated/found/gathered/unveiled, after which, it drives the plot forwards in another way. (At least that's what I always thought it was.) Examples of MacGuffins : The Infinity Stones, the Zeo crystals from Power Rangers (the series), the little box Fury gave Coulson at the end of season 1.
What I mean is that it's an "Easter Egg" of sort and a subplot throughout Torchwood Season 1 (my mistake for not being specific) with Jack being strangely protective of this random hand in a jar, until it turns out to be the Doctor's hand and TARDIS locator of some kind (kick-starting the Series 3 ending crossover but not making it a MacGuffin yet). This all culminated when this random hand in a jar turned out to be a receptacle for regenerative energy and grows a second Doctor (no, not THAT one) along with creating the Doctor-Donna.
It started as a paper-weight in the Torchwood hub and eventually turned into the Doctor that ends up with Rose.
Anyway, I was just pointing out that this regeneration is the payoff of an Easter Egg from Torchwood and that the proper regeneration will be the payoff of a foreshadowing from SJA.
Just pointing out how both of the 10th Doctor's regeneration are set up discretely in spin-offs.
The best is yet to come. So close to series 5 now, I can taste it!