Cold Climate Food Forest - Canadian Permaculture Legacy
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- This July we visited@CanadianPermacultureLegacy - a 2 acre food forest in growing zone 5, in Ontario Canada. Keith was kind enough to give us a full tour of the property, and share a bunch of lessons learned over 6 years of working on growing more food for his family.
Keith's channel has been a great resource for us as far as what's possible around here, and applied permaculture principles in a cold climate - so be sure to check out his content if you're thinking about starting a food forest of your own.
Links to content or resources Keith mentions:
@DiscoverPermaculture
@StefanSobkowiak
www.whiffletre...
www.grimonut.com/
Links to Keith's videos mentioned:
Detailed pond video: • Aquascape Ecosystem Po...
Soil biology: • A complete guide to so...
Site selection: • Land selection and Goa...
Elmwood Harmony (band - Belleville, Ontario):
/ elmwoodharmony
Here's our Website: www.arcadia.farm/
Instagram: / arcadia.farm
..and Facebook: / arcadiapermaculture
Thanks for doing this. I loved seeing his property from a different perspective.
Cheers! It's a beautiful spot he's growing out there.
Loved this tour! I watch Keith regularly and came over from his channel - but it was nice to see it from a different perspective! Also subscribed because I love seeing another cold climate permaculture channel.
I’m 6 hours North of you and working on setting up to start a zone 3 channel :)
Love all the inspiration you guys offer 💜
Same - we've been watching his channel for some time too, so it was great to see in person!
I'm in northern NY by Lake Champlain. I've been watching you and Stephen Sebkowiack on permaculture and biodiverse orchards, thank you! Most UA-camrs are in the south or west, not my climate. Your content is very relevant for us short- season growers. Best wishes for a new year ahead.
Thank you for sharing this! I love these kind of tours, and Keith is lovely, I've been following is channel for a few years now, lots of things to learn from him.🤗
We're happy to - he's learned a lot over the six years he's been working on it, and we're bringing so many of his lessons learned back to our project!
ive learned so much from keith. if you ask questions he usually responds. hes a great teacher especially when you want the science of it all. nice video
He's the same in real life! We're glad he's just down the road from us!
I have 2 plum trees, an elderberry and a white mulberry. I lost my grape vine due to new terrace, but I’ve thrown so many stones and seeds around, hopefully they grow into plants one day.
That's how it starts! Just plant! :)
This is so urgent yet nobody realises how grave the situation has already become.
Some people realize, but the people who see the need for change are rarely the same ones making the decisions...
Absolutely urgent!
I can watch this a million times... we started our garden this year after we moved to a house with a yard, we planted 10 trees and 14 shrubs. Our yard is not big, 0.3 acres, I wished it was bigger.
In a way, having a smaller site really forces you to focus on using every available niche. The bigger the space, the easier it is to overstretch your resources. Check out the "Scavengers Food Forest" for a tour of my brother in law's 1 acre property where he's really cramming it in there!
@arcadiapermaculture974 I appreciate your reply, I am gonna watch that now. Thank you for your great content.
We're in Quebec and have been doing the same thing. Digging was insane here as there was just so much rock and stone in the soil. Planted cherry and pear trees. We have blueberries and gooseberries and raspberries.... but now I've attracted a bunch of birds and rabbits (soninhave to orotect a lot of trees and bushes in the winter) which means that this year we have tons of hawks flying over.... it's been a lot of work but has been so worth it.
Attracting birds, rabbits and their predators is a sign you're doing something right! Our brother in law is in Quebec as well, Zone 4 - check out the "Scavenger's Food Forest" video for our visit to his place last year.
@@arcadiapermaculture974 Will do!
Great idea, I have been growing food since the 90's..Food supplies, we are already have shortages happening, you have a yard grow food..
Cheaper, healthier, better for the environment, fresher, more delicious... it's just a series of wins!
I hope ur neighbours sees ur video , and stops poisoning the water..... great videos !!! Very interesting ❤🙂👍🏼🍃
The snowshoe hare population was getting high at my property. They were starting to cause problems and I was going to have to start trapping/hunting them. I'm not a hunter.
3 fox moved in and took care of it for me!
Nature knows. The less we mess with stuff, the better it does.
love it!!!! I am just beginning a food forest .....
Keith is a great guy to learn from. 👍
Awwww thanks man
Indeed. We're long time fans of the channel, and even bigger fans of him, his family, and his food forest!
Nice tour Keith, lots of good information to use going forward... Also a good summary at the end. It would be interesting to see an overview of your property and where you are applying your learnings to your specific environment. Best of luck going forward....
Agreed - an overview would give really great context for the finer points.
Awesome seeing this, thank you!
Thanks for watching!
Wonderful video, Thanks for sharing. I’m new friend always like your video
Thanks! We've got an update on our own property coming soon!
amazing. thanks for the info and inspo
Cheers! We're grateful for the same.
This was a fabulous tour! Thank you.
Thanks! He's got a great project, and we learned so much just seeing everything!
I'm a big fan of Keith!
So are we!
Fabulous!!
Keith really has done some great work so far, eh?
@@arcadiapermaculture974 i consider him to be the teacher that got me into permaculture! I deeply admire his knowledge and the way he shares it! So fun to see this type of video with a different angle!
@@SAROXBAND we all have our gateway drugs eh?
Dealing with age and disability so my dream of a homestead is remote. But I have a couple of black raspberry plants ao going to see if I can get them to spread with minimal exertion and inputs. If that works maybe will try to put in some American Hazelnut.
Good luck! Black raspberry grows like a weed around here, so it's a fine choice for minimal/no input food.
This is exactly the sort thing I’d like to do once I buy some land
That's exactly what we hope for too! :D
Keith sent me. Subbed.
Cheers! We don't post often, but we're doing our best to find regenerative farmers and permaculture practitioners in our area to learn from and share!
Hey man, watching your channel and learning from you. Thank you
Thanks. We all do what we can do to share knowledge!
@@arcadiapermaculture974 just starting to switch from tilling my soil every year and doing the whole 9 yards. Just made my lab serum and fish hydrolysate will be another month. Is it warm enough to start applying lab on 0+ days to get the microbiome going? Working with about 2 acres of planting areas in Ontario
@@khalidyusuf6979I don't know about that stuff man - we're not much into additives beyond compost tea and kelp meal. Hope you find the answers you're looking for though.
Great video. Yes our body needs to be alkaline so acid fruit and drinks are good for us.
Hey, I was wondering if you could give me a tip on where I can order comfrey seeds?? Thanks! Love all your videos. I just planted three fruit varieties and a deer just ate about 6 inches off my newly planted plum tree and I was so upset. Looks like I will have to fence up my newly planted trees!
Most people grow one of the sterile "Bocking" varieties of comfrey, which propagates from root division instead of spreading by seed - otherwise it'll spread everywhere. Where are you located?
I found this: "The Carolina Permaculture Farm" which seems to have a similar landscape while searching for the Permaculture Farm and was wondering if it is close to your place?
That's about 1300km south of us.
I really need to pick your brain bro. For the last 30 plus years, I've had a highly productive, closed loop, produce and small livestock gorilla Food Forest, here in the high Mojave Desert. 2500 FT elevation, zone 9B.
Unfortunately, soon, I'm having to move up to the foothills of the Colorado Rockies. 6000 ft elevation, zone 5B.
To ensure pawpaw pollination put rotting food or manure below the trees right before or during flowering
Thanks for this tip
amazing!
So, I finally find out what your name is, Keith! 😁
Black flys pollinate paw paw also.
Did not know that. We should get great pollination at our place then - the black flies are crazy at this time of year!
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With the Canadian climate what kind of food are you eating.. any books on this.
For us, while our food forest is still moving towards production, we have a lot of focus on putting up crops for winter - storage crops like garlic, onions, squash, radishes, carrots, beets, potatoes, cabbage - and supplementing with sprouts in the winter. In a few years, we hope to have a lot of nuts, storage fruit, etc. We do lots of canning & freezing as well.
We're usually able to start eating from the land in April - sunchokes, dandelion, chives, sorrel - until the cycle starts again. Again, perennial crops tend to start earlier and finish later than annuals too - so things like turkish rocket, sea kale, good king henry, and the like.
For annual crops, Elliott Coleman's "Four Season Harvest" is a great starting point for cold climate gardening. For perennials, Ben Falk's "Resilient Farm and Homestead" is a great resource.
Where does he sell his produce?
I don't think he does - yet, at least. With so many peach trees, it'll happen eventually I think!
I take burdock root for sinus allergies
What does a pond like that cost?
You can get a pond done for about $10-20k if it's just a hole in the ground, and almost always ends up leaking, turning anaerobic, getting out of control with algae, etc. It often creates problems and headaches and costs more money later to fix. My pond here was much much more expensive, and cost $200k Canadian. To see what that all entails, check out the pond video linked in this video description. It discusses all the various aspects to the design.
Most of the cost is the rock. We paid extra for our rock because we wanted to source it local (for carbon footprint transportation reasons). I paid probably $50k extra just to do that, as I could have gotten granite much cheaper. We wanted the limestone because it's more natural for our location.
All in all, a pond like this can range from about 100k to 300k depending on the pond builder, materials, and design choices/features. However, most of the cheaper options (skipping say an underground reservoir, or skipping a second waterfall, skipping a wetland filter, skipping a deep water intake)... skipping those things can save money upfront, but will make a pond harder to balance, and could end up costing just as much money down the road to fix problems that you won't have if you include those engineering design options.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy thanks so much. That's really helpful. A pond like this is definitely a bucket list item for me. Aquascape does really good work.
@@CanadianPermacultureLegacy yeah, we can vouch that a poorly designed pond is really, really hard to balance. We have a natural swimming pool that came with the property, but the "wild" area is way too deep to support marginal plants, and it'll take a lot of work to remediate.
Are you from eastern Ontario 😮me to do you know were to find mayapple and maypops? Ive been looking for awhile but can find them anywhere in eastern Ontario.
If they're native, then Natural Themes Native Plant Nursery either has them or can source them. Otherwise, you'd have to message Keith and ask - I can't tag him here for some reason.
Permaculture zone 8a
TOO MUCH INTRODUCTION, MUSIC AND RECAP , BUT THE TOUR WAS VERY INTERESTING
You do not have to feed the world, only yourself and your family.
Speaking of flooded out areas, Bryce and Misti of Ontario Permaculture channel did a video on Chinampa (ua-cam.com/video/0QVucw8wNfA/v-deo.htmlsi=1Ie_-eLAlQEhiJYl), not sure if you've already seen it, but I was surprised to learn that it's possible to plant them in Ontario as well!
Well, that's an interesting experience. Same message as always Keith, but I can't stand the photography. This is a perfect example of my OCD tendencies. The framing of the shots was all out of whack, sun position casting shadows over your face, sun glare catching the lense. Sloppy editing job. So Mr Interviewing photographer, you need to up your game if you want Criticona to follow you because it's not enough to have a good message. Keith, realise how fine your video work is.
How would I have improved this video?...I would have put more of yourself in it. Your impressions of what it's like being in a garden that you have followed on UA-cam. Does it feel bigger or smaller, steeper or flatter than expected? How did you feel in a relatively crowded food forest? (Some people get really spooked out if they can't see great areas at a time as if there are dangers around every corner). I was totally shocked when my husband was totally claustrophobic walking in the forest near my parents house where the trees are around 90m tall. He couldn't even look up at them without going dizzy. A place that I love, nearly gave him a mental breakdown. Did Keith's garden smell as expected? The sun glare on the lense looks like you were walking around in a daze as if you were ready to faint. Hope that wasn't the case.
Ouch - everyone starts somewhere Ann! This is a new channel and honestly it takes a lot of bravery to start something like this. I thought it is much better than a lot of people starting out - keep up the great work!
Thanks for your feedback. We're still very new to this, so we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
@@stephaniecrunchycanadianma6280 thanks! We learn a little with each one.
It wont register my like.
Ditch the corny music bro
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