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  • @jan-martinulvag1953
    @jan-martinulvag1953 Місяць тому +3

    The horror and the torture of going through the stored experience's consciously later in life is the only thing that works.

    • @jan-martinulvag1953
      @jan-martinulvag1953 Місяць тому

      Getting you to the present by getting you into the body? To transcend is to forget your ego, your body and language.

    • @markfuller
      @markfuller Місяць тому +1

      I disagree with the wording of that, or the absolute implication. In some ways you're right. But, in other ways not. The only thing that's real is this present moment. Everything else is a story we tell ourselves. But, it can be rough to realize that. Our conscious experience (in the 5% of the mind) _emerges_ from the 95% subconscious. It emerges about 1/2 second after the fact (Libet, Vago). So, we tend to practice identifying with what emerges, the subconsciously-generated story that has emerged repeatedly, endlessly for as long as we can remember.
      So, you'r right that facing that can be rough. It's like a "security blanket" being taken away (familiar, trusted). It can be hard to realize it's not real. But, it can also be instantly liberating too. Over-identifying with the story (which your way of saying it might sound like) can overlook the relief that it's really not real. But, you're right that we can't just say it's not real and forget about it. There's more practiced identity with the story that needs to be understood (how it affects us, why we identify with it, how we do it).
      IMO, it's something in between. The reason I wanted to say something about this is that EFT/Tapping is really good (like EMDR). It's like Emile Coue's autosuggestion, but _emphasis_ (tapping). It's been long-proven that autosuggestion works. EFT/Tapping is similar. You basically tell yourself (while tapping it into yourself) that you know what's going on, your anxious, sad, whatever because..., "I'll be ok. I know what's going on. It will pass." It really works. (The chakra stuff might be baloney, I don't know. But, autosuggestion works, and the tapping seems to make it heard more by the subconscious.). So, there are things like this that make integration less horror & torture. What's being dealt with is more like realizing it's not real, not realizing horror & torture. (But, yes, there can be "there" there that isn't as easy as saying "it's nothing." It's something in between.).

    • @jan-martinulvag1953
      @jan-martinulvag1953 Місяць тому

      @@markfuller The present is in the mind and the past is in the body stored as trauma/stories. You have to heal the body or kill it. What you say is a story, so its real to you right now in the body. If going through trauma makes no sense then living with trauma makes no sense and we can do collective suicide. To bring humanity to another level we have to suffer through it. And the suffering is where the creation of light takes place. Jesus did it and you have to do it too

    • @markfuller
      @markfuller Місяць тому

      @@jan-martinulvag1953 My concern is "we have to suffer though it" can turn into a new identity of one who is carrying their cross, identified with the past (rather than accepting that it literally doesn't exist, and we're doing it to ourselves). I've known people (and done this myself) who move on from "unseen forces" affecting them from the subconscious to doing it to themselves as proof they're integrated (or not repressing).
      No doubt shadow work is difficult & necessary. Just saying "the past doesn't exist, I'm doing this to myself" doesn't make it so. But, often delving into the trauma, recognizing how it affects you can turn into its own new identity (of who I am). From my perspective it's the ego. We think of ego as boisterous, glam, overt, successful with hubris. But, the ego can get just as much supply from being the victim, identifying with past trauma, wrongs, shames. The implication is "it should've been different. I deserve better. If only..." Craving what isn't clinging to what is (which is impermanent). When we've practiced this for years/decades, it's not that easy to say "oh, that's what it is." But, the ego is sneaky and can turn shadow work (cross bearing) into "who I am" too. Ego's about control, being the explainer of one's largely narrated existence. "I'm special, successful, good looking, envied" is not that much different from "I'm special, wounded, suffering, carrying a burden most wouldn't." It's a way of being someone we're not. (We're not the past.).
      The 2005 movie "Revolver" (Ray Liota) comes to mind right now.

    • @markfuller
      @markfuller Місяць тому

      @@jan-martinulvag1953 Another really good movie (but requires watching it a dozen times to get it): 2001 "Memento" (Guy Pearce). He has (or affects having) anterograde amnesia (unable to make new memories). He incessantly narrates to himself (who he is, where he came from, what he's doing) through notes, tattoos, a police file that has been so edited that it's more about him (what he needs it to be) than what the case was actually about.
      I think it's an absolutely perfect depiction of how we do it to ourselves (and how impossible it is to see it). It's all broken up in out-of-order vignettes. You really have to watch it a dozen times to see what's really happening. He's on a righteous crusade, but toward the end (which could be the beginning of the film, and various pieces throughout) he's confronted with what he's actually doing. There is a moment where he could step away from it, accept reality, but _deliberately_ chooses to keep doing it. It's familiar. Who would he be if not who he's narrated to himself all that time? He edits a polaroid note to himself in a way that he knows is a lie, to keep it going.
      There's really a lot of parallels in that movie to the normal human condition. It's told through anterograde amnesia which was brilliant because you get to see someone compulsively explaining themself to themself (through external means. Everyone's doing that in their head. But, you get to see it with someone who can't keep it in their head). He compares himself to "Sammy" who was more like the buddha with blissful momentary existence. Lenny (the subject of the movie) looks down on Sammy as a failure because he didn't have "a system." Lenny is maniacal about his system, and how he's going to beat this condition (in a way Sammy didn't). But, Sammy was happy (blissful), not trying to have something he couldn't. Lenny was lying to himself to convince himself he was in control, making the present moment be something it isn't (making the past be something it isn't).

  • @abuhuraira5013
    @abuhuraira5013 Місяць тому

    You know YOUR channel has an problem like Seo that's why you are not getting more views, subscribers etc.