A little side-note on removing libreoffice in it's entirety: iof you type 'sudo apt remove libreoffic*', it will list all the pieces that it is about to remove. Much shorter than the entire list.
@@albussd honestly I was using Ubuntu but I only switched to Debian when my sound drivers didn't work. And Debian is more staple than Ubuntu it is just a fact
Thank you for this clear and concise tutorial. I have been using Debian bookworm testing for a while and liked it. So when this official stable version was released I had to install it. I love how we no longer have to search for non-free ISOs with this new realse. I appreciate all your vids, the way you pause to give us time to see what you've written in the terminal is excellent! Thanks again for all that you do!
This is great news. Hopefully Jay will write a Debian Server book. His Ubuntu Server books are excellent and I think the community would benefit from a well written guide to Debian Server.
Another thing among the first things 'to-do' is to set up and configure a virt environment for running non-distro python software packages, as this is now a requirement with the Bookworm release. Strangely most linux youtubers miss out on that.
Excellent tutorial, thank you! There are a couple of things about synaptic that you may want to add... 1. After installing synaptic, install apt-xapian-index, then restart X (or reboot). Open synaptic and you'll have a quick filter field in the menu bar. Type in your search term (you might also want to select All on the left), hit Enter and it will bring up packages where the search string is found. It's probably trivial but now you don't have to open the search window. YMMV but I find it to be a lot more convenient. 2. You can click on the Packages header and toggle between ascending- and descending-sort. Makes it much easier to find what you're looking for.
Frozen Bubble is addicting! FYI Installing Debian 12 from the Live Environment sets up sudo automatically but if you use the Debian Installer from the GRUB menu it only sets su. If you only have su you can still authenticate then issue sudo commands until you exit su; you can also change your account type from standard to Administrator and after logging out and back in or rebooting you can now use sudo (settings > users > your user profile). Have verified this with Debian 12 Cinnamon and KDE Plasma desktop environments. You can install downloaded deb packages with gdebi by double clicking the package or right clicking and select open with then picking gdebi; all packages installed with gdebi can be found (normally) in the '/opt' directory. You can clean up your system after a package removal with 'sudo apt autoremove' for a dust free Debian. Awesome video BTW! It was nice to see you so happy. Kind of stoked about Debian finally touching down; have been waiting two decades for Debian to make a splash and it's finally happened.
My experience with steam on debian 12 is that debian has an "installer" that will install steam, but steam installs the latest version directly from steam, not a debian repo. And steam then keeps itself updated independent of debian repos.
@@cssplayer91 It's not a snap, Steam ships its own native Linux binaries and libraries for itself and games to use. Once you enable it in settings, Proton support should work out of the box.
@@cssplayer91 No, it's a deb package through apt. It's just not the actual client. It's an installer that runs and installs the full program from steam. That way debian doesn't have to keep up with every new version of steam. They just give you a way to install it and then steam keeps it up to date.
For those who are having issues with Nvidia, my laptop was very old and I had to enable Non-free repositories and enable them in the terminal, and then use the sudo nvidia-detect command to find which card I had and what driver was recommended for me. the reason I say this is because following the method shown in the video led me to have no GPU shown within Nvidia X server settings. Now, I am able to because I had to install the Tesla 470 driver. Just a heads up! Might save you all a bit of pain that I had to go through...
It's not just Nvidia, my new AMD rig is unusable with Debian. I think 8 was the last version I was able to install without issue. Between the failures related to missing drivers (because it's better to be "pure" than to actually be functional), the installer failing to set the boot partition as being actually bootable, and now using a failing video driver - Debian is junk. Hopefully by the time 13 is out it will be at least as good as Ubuntu, Fedora, or even OpenSUSE.
Amazing news. As a long time debian as primary OS user. I like these news. Debian is by far the best piece of softare i have used. I have zero issiues ever. I use stable apps on it. On workstation I use gnome, on laptop KDE ... all works seemless. Completely uneventfull and pleasureable experience. Hearing its has gotten better is hard to beleive but good to hear. I do not tend to upgrade that soon (workstation is still on buster, and laptop on bullseye) ... but this one sounds like a moment I should do that. Have fun with your transition ... I expect you will use it long time.
Thank you! You are an amazing instructor. This was an exceptional tutorial! Not only do you provide the 'how' but you give us the 'why'. So many instructors leave that out.
@LearnLinuxTV Don't forget to make a video on keeping flatpak programs up to date like for security updates, as apt-get update and apt-get upgrade won't update flatpak programs at default when initialized.
Yeah I’m curious about the system vs user flatpak situation since after watching the bash series I wanted to make a script to install everything I need but want to do it properly.
I am a long time Debian user, but the info on changing desktop environments and flatpaks was quite useful. I think flatpaks will be great for getting up to date software without constantly updating the whole system. You use the terminal enough you consider putting on the dock.
It's interesting how some software like Libre Office benefits from being very up to date where as a text editor is probably better if it never changes. It's a shame that so many tweaks are needed to get Debian 12 into shape. I feel that Mint requires none of these. I will be installing this today and trying Plasma Wayland.
@@wayland7150 While true, Debian is a distro you setup once and then run it for at least 2 years before upgrading, so setting it up isn't a big deal long term IMHO.
Very helpful video. I just started with Linux and was using Mint, but I moved to Debian since I will only be using Linux for certain things and I want a stable platform. Your video was more helpful than most of what's out there. I subscribed. Thanks.
For anyone using gmail with thunderbird make sure that you use IMAP instead POP( which is selected by default), since POP doesn't sync when Emails are read.
Thank you so much! Saved me from headaches and sleepless nights. Almost wiped Debian and installed Windows back on this system. In my mind I made it so much more complicated that it really was. 👍
@@hackerman.1337 thanks for the explanation. Basically every now and then I make some tests on a virtual machine running Ubuntu and I prefer flatpacks over snaps. Guess I'll try with this new Debian releas. Thanks again.
@@fixer1140If you don't mind using the Cinnamon desktop environment or installing another one, Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu and disables snaps in favor of flatpak by default. I have never tried using another desktop environment on Mint though so Debian 12 is a solid choice if you don't want to use Cinnamon.
If you have to gut Ubuntu to that extent maybe it's time to use a different Distro? You're like the people who use Windows but hate everything about it which makes it Windows. When you're fighting that hard against your OS it's time to switch.
It's a simple variable export to make Firefox run under Wayland and not XWayland (which you should do anyway for performance sake). You can even do it so that it falls back to X11 if you ever switch to it at any time. Don't know why this isn't the default yet.
I am going to try Dibian 12 soon, that's why I'm here, very clear and straight forward for our new to linux user, I've always want to learn how to add extra repository in linux, the way you gave true to life example just excellent, Thanks
The only down side I have found id the Gnome package manager is not very stable, but of course you can use the KDE one, or the command line tools. Just as a personal comment I would add #13 my user to the sudoers group so you can use sudo and not have to go to root.
I'm on LMDE 5 and am seriously considering going back to Debian. The 12 release looks awesome, wasn't a big fan of the 11 release with the outdated GNOME desktop.
I know this is an older video, but, re: thunderbird vs evolution, not only does evolution work better in exchange server environments, but it also correctly authenticates with apple services for mail/reminders/calendars, and is the only linux client i've found that will do this.
The running theme here: Debian 12 is an excellent version that solves so many of their long-running problems with hardware support out of the box, and you can seriously use it as a daily driver - but also, you should absolutely replace as many of the graphical user programs as you can with the Flatpak versions. Let each part be true to itself, Debian as your core OS and Flathub as your applications source.
I think that overlooks a great deal of the actual point of Debian stable. If I had $1 for every UA-camr who understood what "stable" means in a software setting, I couldn't get myself a cup of coffee.
26:07 the list of packages is not actually included in the blog post so here it is: libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-help-common libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-style-colibre libreoffice-style-elementary
I knew there would be at least one thoughtful person like myself! I was about to post this myself after seeing it was NOT included in the blog post that Jay mentioned. Thanks @adanz17
Just installed debian on my laptop yesterday. I loved the fact that it lets you choose the DE instead of a pre configured option. I tried switching on kubuntu once and it was a mess. Uninstalling kde fucked up all sorts of things and i had to reinstall the whole OS. Ill admit i lacked the knowledge to fix it, but having a choice out of the gate is sweet, specially when you can just toggle your option and its ready to go.
In my own experience, at least, having multiple DEs is not a good idea; I have never been able to get it to work without problems on real hardware. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. Better to carefully choose one DE you like, and then stick with it. Deb 12 was no different; I tried installing a second DE (LXQt), using tasksel just as Jay suggested, and it had so many problems I had to back it out. Fortunately, the original DE (Cinnamon) still works.
@@jamespleger752 yep, totally agree. Now if i wanna test some other DE, i’ll install a new OS on a different drive and go from there. I guess i learnt it the hard way hehe
I'm glad I found this video. I just installed Debian on a new computer. My aspect ration was set to 4:3 even though I have a 16:9 monitor. It turns out I just needed to install the Nvidia drivers.
I used both vlc and mpv on Linux, for 'recent' AMD-GPU's mpv works much better, vlc has some big problems with those GPU's. I also noticed stability-problems with vlc (crashing when opening a new video from an open instance), this is not just on my system, I heard other people (Chris Titus Tech) point it out too. I had the same video run much better on mpv than vlc. mpv is a great videoplayer with bad marketing, it currently is superior to vlc but most Linux-users and Windows-users don't know how to properly set it up.
Doesnt 'apt dist-upgrade' upgrade packages for the latest repo based on the version defined in the apt config, not the current distro version? Shouldnt this be 'apt upgrade' unless you are in the process of moving to testing/unstable distros?
it took me a while but i finally found a proper tutorial on installing the nvidia driver, thank you sir, you earned a subscriber (new linux user btw) for whatever reason every single tutorial out there that i found just doesnt mention having to tick those two options in the gnome apps store
Just downloaded Debian 12 bookworm as a new user. Your vid helped me walk through setup with minor hiccups. Only lingering question is on adding the backport repository. Don't yet know how to use the clipboard so I could not complete this task. Great video.
Great video! Regarding backports, I thought this would also be indicated in synaptic for the package as second option if I recall correctly. Where I had issues though was on installing firefox from flatpak that it crashed randomly. Found out that Firefox has hardware accelaration enabled by default however the flatpak config had it disabled. Enabled it in flatseal and problems gone. Other option is ofcourse to disable it in Firefox itself. This might be helpful for others running into the same issue.
Since this is also a channel for SysAdmins, here a small please about switching to root: Please use "sudo -s" instead of "su - root", "su" or "su root" and set up the logging properly. The reason for that is simple, "sudo -s" can be configured to log who did which commands and when. The others don't. So when you work together as a team of SysAdmins, you can look up who did what as root without any downside besides that the logfiles could become quite large. You can even let it log the inputs and outputs of each command.
Thank you so much. Having been in windows or Mac since Solaris 7, it was daunting trying to return to linux, this was clear and well paced, giving me a nice desktop in the process.
Thank you. I started with Debian years ago (4 floppy disk install) in a commercial environment and I got into using other distributions, The one I am using now irritates me a bit from their last upgrade. I have to admit I whined a bit about Debian as well because it was so conservative but I loved that it was so rock solid stable. I have to admit I know nothing about Flatpacks, so I have a bit of a learning curve.
Kinda sad there is no Debian sticker on that laptop🙄- great video - thanks for all you do! I always install just XFCE4 desktop and always have to add my user to the sudo list as one of my first things - really surprised the Gnome or Desktop does it automatically? have to agree 100% this is by far the best Debian XFCE4 i've experienced this far, very clean, simple install and everything just worked. Thanks again
My favorite task. It's actually very easy to do. After your third successful building from source. You now know how to build from source. Be glad to help out.
I have attempted to follow the advice to use the latest Firefox from flatpak, but it broke my integration with KeePassXC so I went back to Firefox ESR, which shall be "good enough" for real usage.
Excellent, clear presentation.Based on your prev video and my desire to switch distros I've jumped in to Deb 12, and...... I'm annoyed. It's Linux and and I'll get everything working, but I'm annoyed there are so many small bits missing out of the box e.g. min/max icons need to be added through the tweak tool, not Settings and I've had to install a package to get autocomplete working for sudo commands. I could go on for pages but hey-ho I'll get there. This is the wife's laptop and most importantly I got Dungeon Keeper II working, which can be tricky, so fairs fair! For me, I'm keeping my main machine on Garuda Linux. Keep the videos coming!
I like the idea of stability and would always choose it over instability with rolling releases - I had a miserable time with Manjaro for example - but at the same time a distro that releases with applications that even the application's devs recommend updating (Libre Office) seems a bit absurdly over cautious? Or is it more about lack of organsation? If the latter that's perhaps a bit more worrying as I wonder what else they might have missed, at least on the desktop as I'd assume most of the testing and double-checking is aimed at Debian server? Would it be fair to say that Linux Mint is a better balance between being stable and reasomably up to date? Any downsides compared to Debian and just adding what you need as per Jay's tutorial?
Something very important that should be said: proprietary Nvidia drivers will break Wayland desktop rendering, so if your desktop environment relies on Wayland, you have to chose a non Wayland renderer of that same desktop, or an other desktop alltogether, otherwise you will not be able to log in anymore.
I'm a little concerned now, since I'm fairly new to Linux and I'll be using Nvidia proprietary drivers. I have no idea what Wayland is or how to change renderes, hopefully it all goes well and if it doesn't, guess I'll just have to learn some new stuff. Thanks for the heads-up!
@@YannikaLuvAI don't be afraid, Linux is a cool experience, it's going to be frustrating and painful though, but what isn't? :) 2 very important tips that aren't given in this video (well they actually are I just double checked but it's not very clear), by default Debian doesn't grant you root access, to use the "sudo" command you have to add yourself to the root admin priviledges list, there's a pretty simple command you can easily find on the internet to do that (completely restart the computer after that, just log out won't be enough). The second tip is that, there will basically be 2 main sources of software, debian repo, and flathub repo, sometimes both work, I recommend the debian repo first for more stability, but if the software doesn't work or only partially work, uninstall it and switch to the flathub repo to have a flatpak version of the software you're looking for. It's a bit dodgy at the moment, probably because the distro basically just came out, but it's not the end of the world and will probably get much better quickly with updates :) Oh and to answer your question, Wayland is a special type of desktop renderer, but don't worry Gnome and Plasma to name those both have non Wayland based fallbacks, it's not ideal to be honest though and Nvidia is being kind of a dick about it, it's really long overdue that they open source their driver stack...
flatpacks have one major advantage over usual installation: You get all the dependencies along with software you install in package so you don't have install dependencies like usual, they're instead installed from flatpack.
Great job on this. I'd love to see a video on how to get Guacamole working on Linux and Windows. Trying to get setup for my parents sake because they always need help. Every video I've seen about it is very convoluted and you need to learn 3 other programs or sign up for something elsewhere.
Thanks for this and your many good and in-depth tutorials. I have learned a lot. I have installed Debian 12 on a MacBook pro from 2010. Works everything - except Wifi - very, very well. I just can't find a solution for it unfortunately. Any tip for me on how to turn on wifi? Thank you very much!
One gets the latest for the current version of the OS where the other will actually upgrade the OS to a newer version. That's how I comprehend it. I always use apt upgrade.
I’m sorry, but why encourage Linux community to use Chrome? It’s against privacy and collects too much data on people without so much transparency. We already have great browsers like Firefox as default and even Brave (also based on Chromium) for the more privacy savvy users. Even if the excuse is: “well, everyone uses it, so, why not”, I’d say it’s a disservice to the Linux community.
All you do is replace debian packages by flathub ones, thus running into the issue of external drives not being unmountable after flathub apps closing. This is not the app's fault, but a flatpak container concept issue. A nasty one.
I can't see the point to suggest Debian if you then tries to turn it into a sort of Ubuntu. Debian software is not an old version. It's the most tested and bug-fixed version. That's the reason why it lies there. I would appreciate the video if you put the stress on the solidity of the actual Debian software as per Debian vision, instead of trashing it. A bit disappointed. About most of the other suggestions, they don't match my way (eg., software redundancy) but I guess tastes are tastes. So I won't spend any further comments about them. Given that, I anyway thank you for the video and for your general amazing contribute to Linux culture!
While I do have the root account enabled on my Debian systems, I prefer to use sudo commands for updating and installing things, simply because there are situations where I may step away from my computer while an update is happening, and if the update finishes, or aborts out, the ability to sudo may still be available, but in general I'm not leaving a terminal open with root privileges for any kitty cat to walk across the keyboard and randomly rm -rf the system.
Awesome videos. There's an issue with Firefox in debian that can be experienced if you use a touchscreen. That is Firefox cannot be dragged or resized using the screen touch. This happens with any versions of Firefox, and it only happens in Debian. I installed Fedore 38 and do not experience the issue. Hopefully someone will come up with a workaround.
Jay, your considered one of my favorites related to Linux stuff. I'd love to hear your take on PureOS but maybe its too early and best wait till its updated with Debian 12.
Mistake in part one: dist-upgrade is for upgrading from 11 to 12 or 12 to 13 . Minor updates should use the plain upgrade command . Obviously there's the fully interactive aptitude and (whatever) interfaces that provide full control with a janky AI . Don't forget to add the "updates" or "backports" channel to get newer versions of many things without waiting for Debian 13 .
No. "Both upgrade and dist-upgrade are used for upgrading the installed packages on the system. However, apt-get upgrade command cannot install a new package or remove an installed package from the system. The dist-upgrade, on the other hand, can install new packages or remove existing packages if required." -> "The dist-upgrade is a superset of upgrade. Apart from the upgrade function, it can also intelligently handle changes in the package dependencies. This includes removing dependency packages that are no longer necessary or resolving conflicts between packages that arose because of changes in the dependencies. It can also install new packages if required."
This is a fantastic video! It's helped to give me a refresher on Linux, also this stable ol' grandad Debian, now having the Flatpaks would make this a great combination as a daily driver desktop system with its non free improvements. I would certainly look forward to a Backports explainer video like this in the future. Also wondering if Debian will become even more popular now RHEL have restricted its source code to it's downstream rebuilders, like Alma & Rocky, be interesting to see what will happen with this news? Thanks 👍
Great video. Thanks for making the content. One question - you installed some apps by downloading .deb packages from offocial website, while installed others as Flatpak. For instance, you could have installed firefox directly through the .deb from Mozilla's official website but chose Flatpak. Why so? Is there any technical reason? I was thinking that maybe installing the official .deb provided by the software company, if it's available, would be preferable to installing a Flatpak version. Please enlighten. Cheers.
@@HarpicBoy It depends on the type of software: 1. Deb provided by distro 2. Deb provided by software company (aka "upstream"), which once you install it, it adds its remote repository to your APT. 3. Flatpak version. Usually, you shouldn't be installing packages from a repository other than your distro, for example you should install debian firefox not the one provided by mozilla, as it is tailored for your distribution. Then comes the second problem, that when software in your distro repo is outdated (or is on prior LTS release), for example debian stable, so if you want newer versions, you should install the flatpak version, (so it comes with its own libraries); And finally, there are rare instances when you know a particular software is better installed in a particular way, for example vivaldi, which is not in distro repo (it is not fully open-source) and the flatpak version seemingly have weaker sandboxing, so the best way to install it is by their own website, and getting your consequent upgrades from their repo. Ok, as rule of thumb: Install a software from your repo. (If its a chromium based browser and it is not in the repo, install it from their website) If native "deb" has a problem, install the flatpak, If flatpak one has a problem install the one from website. Distro deb > flatpak > 3rd party deb.
@@arkeynserhayn8370 Thanks for your insight. Coming from windows the option of using 3rd party deb files seems more intuitive to me. I will try to use distro repo and flatpak primarily, for learning and getting used to linux environment. But say If I chose to download something from 3rd party, will I be "breaking" something big in the distro to a point I run into trouble or will I be good for the most part, as long the deb file is coming from a reliable source and not some random website. (like valve, mozilla, etc.)
A little side-note on removing libreoffice in it's entirety: iof you type 'sudo apt remove libreoffic*', it will list all the pieces that it is about to remove. Much shorter than the entire list.
This was helpful as there was no reference to the removing of LibreOffice in the blog post that Jay mentions in the vid (@LearnLinuxTV)
Addition: “sudo apt autoremove libreoffice” is even better because it will also remove dependent packages that are not in ure elsewhere.
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@@GerardWassinkthat was helpful
@@marjiram7709 ????
With Debian + Flatpak + non free firmware i don't see the point of install a debian derivative like Ubuntu
non free is not necessary in most cases
Also ubuntu is so unstable it makes you hate linux...
@@sixdroidnecessary for nvidia users
@@sale666No. Not true at all. Let us not be unreasonable and sensational just to bash something.
@@albussd honestly I was using Ubuntu but I only switched to Debian when my sound drivers didn't work. And Debian is more staple than Ubuntu it is just a fact
Thank you for this clear and concise tutorial. I have been using Debian bookworm testing for a while and liked it. So when this official stable version was released I had to install it. I love how we no longer have to search for non-free ISOs with this new realse. I appreciate all your vids, the way you pause to give us time to see what you've written in the terminal is excellent! Thanks again for all that you do!
Switching from OpenSuse Tumbleweed to Debian 12 now, giving this a rewatch before pulling the trigger!
This is great news. Hopefully Jay will write a Debian Server book. His Ubuntu Server books are excellent and I think the community would benefit from a well written guide to Debian Server.
Another thing among the first things 'to-do' is to set up and configure a virt environment for running non-distro python software packages, as this is now a requirement with the Bookworm release.
Strangely most linux youtubers miss out on that.
Link to this being official and not just your opinion
Excellent tutorial, thank you! There are a couple of things about synaptic that you may want to add...
1. After installing synaptic, install apt-xapian-index, then restart X (or reboot). Open synaptic and you'll have a quick filter field in the menu bar. Type in your search term (you might also want to select All on the left), hit Enter and it will bring up packages where the search string is found. It's probably trivial but now you don't have to open the search window. YMMV but I find it to be a lot more convenient.
2. You can click on the Packages header and toggle between ascending- and descending-sort. Makes it much easier to find what you're looking for.
Frozen Bubble is addicting!
FYI Installing Debian 12 from the Live Environment sets up sudo automatically but if you use the Debian Installer from the GRUB menu it only sets su. If you only have su you can still authenticate then issue sudo commands until you exit su; you can also change your account type from standard to Administrator and after logging out and back in or rebooting you can now use sudo (settings > users > your user profile). Have verified this with Debian 12 Cinnamon and KDE Plasma desktop environments.
You can install downloaded deb packages with gdebi by double clicking the package or right clicking and select open with then picking gdebi; all packages installed with gdebi can be found (normally) in the '/opt' directory.
You can clean up your system after a package removal with 'sudo apt autoremove' for a dust free Debian.
Awesome video BTW! It was nice to see you so happy.
Kind of stoked about Debian finally touching down; have been waiting two decades for Debian to make a splash and it's finally happened.
It's the satisfying sounds.
@@wayland7150 The music is hypnotizing. Nothing audible is obnoxious - totally agree. The tunes of the game are a big draw for me as well. 👍
My favorite distro! Can't wait to upgrade to Debian 12 now that it is released and stable. Thanks my friend for all you do here. Love your content! ❣
My experience with steam on debian 12 is that debian has an "installer" that will install steam, but steam installs the latest version directly from steam, not a debian repo. And steam then keeps itself updated independent of debian repos.
So its a snap pack? And how do steam games run with proton mode enabled?
@@cssplayer91 It's not a snap, Steam ships its own native Linux binaries and libraries for itself and games to use. Once you enable it in settings, Proton support should work out of the box.
@@koye4427it's steam native vs steam runtime
That how steam always has been.
@@cssplayer91 No, it's a deb package through apt. It's just not the actual client. It's an installer that runs and installs the full program from steam. That way debian doesn't have to keep up with every new version of steam. They just give you a way to install it and then steam keeps it up to date.
For those who are having issues with Nvidia, my laptop was very old and I had to enable Non-free repositories and enable them in the terminal, and then use the sudo nvidia-detect command to find which card I had and what driver was recommended for me. the reason I say this is because following the method shown in the video led me to have no GPU shown within Nvidia X server settings. Now, I am able to because I had to install the Tesla 470 driver. Just a heads up! Might save you all a bit of pain that I had to go through...
I got so many ACPI errors at start but it seems not affecting the running of the system after installing Nvidia driver. Any ideas?
It's not just Nvidia, my new AMD rig is unusable with Debian. I think 8 was the last version I was able to install without issue. Between the failures related to missing drivers (because it's better to be "pure" than to actually be functional), the installer failing to set the boot partition as being actually bootable, and now using a failing video driver - Debian is junk. Hopefully by the time 13 is out it will be at least as good as Ubuntu, Fedora, or even OpenSUSE.
Amazing news. As a long time debian as primary OS user. I like these news. Debian is by far the best piece of softare i have used. I have zero issiues ever. I use stable apps on it. On workstation I use gnome, on laptop KDE ... all works seemless. Completely uneventfull and pleasureable experience. Hearing its has gotten better is hard to beleive but good to hear.
I do not tend to upgrade that soon (workstation is still on buster, and laptop on bullseye) ... but this one sounds like a moment I should do that. Have fun with your transition ... I expect you will use it long time.
Thank you! You are an amazing instructor. This was an exceptional tutorial! Not only do you provide the 'how' but you give us the 'why'. So many instructors leave that out.
12 days ago you posted this 12 things to do in Debian 12 and I started watching this at 12pm. Weird lol. Thanks for the video!!
@LearnLinuxTV Don't forget to make a video on keeping flatpak programs up to date like for security updates, as apt-get update and apt-get upgrade won't update flatpak programs at default when initialized.
sudo flatpak update
Thank as New Linux user this was a God send adding the extra software repository and desktop easy to follow 😊❤
26:00 sudo apt remove libreoffice-*
Looking forward to future flatpak videos on this channel! Flatpaks seem cool but they clearly have a bit of a learning curve
Yeah I’m curious about the system vs user flatpak situation since after watching the bash series I wanted to make a script to install everything I need but want to do it properly.
you got the reason wrong, your voice relaxes me and help me sleep hahahah
I am a long time Debian user, but the info on changing desktop environments and flatpaks was quite useful. I think flatpaks will be great for getting up to date software without constantly updating the whole system. You use the terminal enough you consider putting on the dock.
It's interesting how some software like Libre Office benefits from being very up to date where as a text editor is probably better if it never changes. It's a shame that so many tweaks are needed to get Debian 12 into shape. I feel that Mint requires none of these. I will be installing this today and trying Plasma Wayland.
@@wayland7150 While true, Debian is a distro you setup once and then run it for at least 2 years before upgrading, so setting it up isn't a big deal long term IMHO.
Very helpful video. I just started with Linux and was using Mint, but I moved to Debian since I will only be using Linux for certain things and I want a stable platform. Your video was more helpful than most of what's out there. I subscribed. Thanks.
For anyone using gmail with thunderbird make sure that you use IMAP instead POP( which is selected by default), since POP doesn't sync when Emails are read.
Thank you so much! Saved me from headaches and sleepless nights. Almost wiped Debian and installed Windows back on this system. In my mind I made it so much more complicated that it really was. 👍
Hello Jay, could you make a video about how to purge snap packs out of Ubuntu and install flatpacks only? Gotta love this channel
They made it impossible to remove it's always gone be there partly use Debian.
@@hackerman.1337 that's a joke, right? Come on, just say that's a joke. By the way, Hello friend...
@@hackerman.1337 thanks for the explanation. Basically every now and then I make some tests on a virtual machine running Ubuntu and I prefer flatpacks over snaps. Guess I'll try with this new Debian releas. Thanks again.
@@fixer1140If you don't mind using the Cinnamon desktop environment or installing another one, Linux Mint is based on Ubuntu and disables snaps in favor of flatpak by default. I have never tried using another desktop environment on Mint though so Debian 12 is a solid choice if you don't want to use Cinnamon.
If you have to gut Ubuntu to that extent maybe it's time to use a different Distro? You're like the people who use Windows but hate everything about it which makes it Windows. When you're fighting that hard against your OS it's time to switch.
It's a simple variable export to make Firefox run under Wayland and not XWayland (which you should do anyway for performance sake). You can even do it so that it falls back to X11 if you ever switch to it at any time. Don't know why this isn't the default yet.
Indeed. One of the first things I do is pop MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 into /etc/environment to stop the xwayland stupidness.
Thanks a lot, I'm newbie and didn't know this. Ram usage of firefox decreased significantly.
@@satysin630 You can also do it in ~/.profile to avoid doing things as root.
I am going to try Dibian 12 soon, that's why I'm here, very clear and straight forward for our new to linux user, I've always want to learn how to add extra repository in linux, the way you gave true to life example just excellent, Thanks
The only down side I have found id the Gnome package manager is not very stable, but of course you can use the KDE one, or the command line tools. Just as a personal comment I would add #13 my user to the sudoers group so you can use sudo and not have to go to root.
BTW the commands to remove Libre Office completely are missing in the blog post.
Thank you Jay.
I had to install VLC in flatpak because the VLC version from Debian repositories doesn't work with RTSP streams.
I'm on LMDE 5 and am seriously considering going back to Debian. The 12 release looks awesome, wasn't a big fan of the 11 release with the outdated GNOME desktop.
Just a note that its probably worth installing nvidia-detect and using it before installing the nvidia-driver.
I know this is an older video, but, re: thunderbird vs evolution, not only does evolution work better in exchange server environments, but it also correctly authenticates with apple services for mail/reminders/calendars, and is the only linux client i've found that will do this.
The running theme here: Debian 12 is an excellent version that solves so many of their long-running problems with hardware support out of the box, and you can seriously use it as a daily driver - but also, you should absolutely replace as many of the graphical user programs as you can with the Flatpak versions. Let each part be true to itself, Debian as your core OS and Flathub as your applications source.
isn't the flatpack version much slower?
I think that overlooks a great deal of the actual point of Debian stable. If I had $1 for every UA-camr who understood what "stable" means in a software setting, I couldn't get myself a cup of coffee.
a coffee machine maybe...@@jr2375
26:07 the list of packages is not actually included in the blog post so here it is:
libreoffice-common libreoffice-core libreoffice-gnome libreoffice-gtk3 libreoffice-help-common libreoffice-help-en-us libreoffice-style-colibre libreoffice-style-elementary
I knew there would be at least one thoughtful person like myself! I was about to post this myself after seeing it was NOT included in the blog post that Jay mentioned. Thanks @adanz17
I was struggling so hard to install the propreitary nvidia drivers but you made it so easy. you got a fan for life now that was life saving!
Just installed debian on my laptop yesterday. I loved the fact that it lets you choose the DE instead of a pre configured option. I tried switching on kubuntu once and it was a mess. Uninstalling kde fucked up all sorts of things and i had to reinstall the whole OS. Ill admit i lacked the knowledge to fix it, but having a choice out of the gate is sweet, specially when you can just toggle your option and its ready to go.
In my own experience, at least, having multiple DEs is not a good idea; I have never been able to get it to work without problems on real hardware. Just because you CAN do something does not mean you SHOULD. Better to carefully choose one DE you like, and then stick with it. Deb 12 was no different; I tried installing a second DE (LXQt), using tasksel just as Jay suggested, and it had so many problems I had to back it out. Fortunately, the original DE (Cinnamon) still works.
@@jamespleger752 yep, totally agree. Now if i wanna test some other DE, i’ll install a new OS on a different drive and go from there. I guess i learnt it the hard way hehe
you installed kubuntu then Uninstalled kde? lol
I'm glad I found this video. I just installed Debian on a new computer. My aspect ration was set to 4:3 even though I have a 16:9 monitor. It turns out I just needed to install the Nvidia drivers.
I used both vlc and mpv on Linux, for 'recent' AMD-GPU's mpv works much better, vlc has some big problems with those GPU's. I also noticed stability-problems with vlc (crashing when opening a new video from an open instance), this is not just on my system, I heard other people (Chris Titus Tech) point it out too. I had the same video run much better on mpv than vlc. mpv is a great videoplayer with bad marketing, it currently is superior to vlc but most Linux-users and Windows-users don't know how to properly set it up.
Just an fyi; For someone that doesn't know how to use mpv very well there are some nice GUI front-ends for it, such as SMPlayer and Celluloid.
MPV is the best media player.
Doesnt 'apt dist-upgrade' upgrade packages for the latest repo based on the version defined in the apt config, not the current distro version? Shouldnt this be 'apt upgrade' unless you are in the process of moving to testing/unstable distros?
=\ any reason to not install chrome thru the software app now that I have flatpak added?
it took me a while but i finally found a proper tutorial on installing the nvidia driver, thank you sir, you earned a subscriber (new linux user btw)
for whatever reason every single tutorial out there that i found just doesnt mention having to tick those two options in the gnome apps store
But I'm not sure about is if you need to mess with KDE's software library if you install KDE, or one of the other desktops....
4:21 You can't use sudo in Debian unless you added a user to the sudoer list (if you have root account enabled).
Have to do some background work too, to enable root login in gnome.
I think I'm going to go back to fedora.
Just downloaded Debian 12 bookworm as a new user. Your vid helped me walk through setup with minor hiccups. Only lingering question is on adding the backport repository. Don't yet know how to use the clipboard so I could not complete this task. Great video.
Great video! Regarding backports, I thought this would also be indicated in synaptic for the package as second option if I recall correctly. Where I had issues though was on installing firefox from flatpak that it crashed randomly. Found out that Firefox has hardware accelaration enabled by default however the flatpak config had it disabled. Enabled it in flatseal and problems gone. Other option is ofcourse to disable it in Firefox itself. This might be helpful for others running into the same issue.
TYVM
Since this is also a channel for SysAdmins, here a small please about switching to root:
Please use "sudo -s" instead of "su - root", "su" or "su root" and set up the logging properly.
The reason for that is simple, "sudo -s" can be configured to log who did which commands and when. The others don't.
So when you work together as a team of SysAdmins, you can look up who did what as root without any downside besides that the logfiles could become quite large. You can even let it log the inputs and outputs of each command.
Thank you so much. Having been in windows or Mac since Solaris 7, it was daunting trying to return to linux, this was clear and well paced, giving me a nice desktop in the process.
Best Frozen Bubble video I've ever seen thanks
Thank you. I started with Debian years ago (4 floppy disk install) in a commercial environment and I got into using other distributions, The one I am using now irritates me a bit from their last upgrade. I have to admit I whined a bit about Debian as well because it was so conservative but I loved that it was so rock solid stable. I have to admit I know nothing about Flatpacks, so I have a bit of a learning curve.
I will go back to this video when I'll be on Debian 12.
thank you sir
your videos are really helpful
Kinda sad there is no Debian sticker on that laptop🙄- great video - thanks for all you do! I always install just XFCE4 desktop and always have to add my user to the sudo list as one of my first things - really surprised the Gnome or Desktop does it automatically? have to agree 100% this is by far the best Debian XFCE4 i've experienced this far, very clean, simple install and everything just worked. Thanks again
Could you do the video how to install app from source code? Thanks
My favorite task. It's actually very easy to do. After your third successful building from source. You now know how to build from source. Be glad to help out.
Awesome help with plenty of detail . It's hard to find help of this quality . Thank you !
Since when do updates require a restart? Unless you're updating the kernel.
Great idea J to talk about after installation tweaks
I like this channel, reminds me of Wizard car mechanic. Such a peaceful way to talk :)
really great, I am enjoying debian 12. feels way more smooth that my last distro lmde
Zorin ease of use and theme is hard to beat.
I love Zorin, but it needs to catch up!
Thanks! I just moved from Windows 11 (crap) to Debian 12 (sweet) and this helped a lot
I have attempted to follow the advice to use the latest Firefox from flatpak, but it broke my integration with KeePassXC so I went back to Firefox ESR, which shall be "good enough" for real usage.
Hey Jay. The link to the article on yout page doesn't seem to work...
Excellent, clear presentation.Based on your prev video and my desire to switch distros I've jumped in to Deb 12, and...... I'm annoyed. It's Linux and and I'll get everything working, but I'm annoyed there are so many small bits missing out of the box e.g. min/max icons need to be added through the tweak tool, not Settings and I've had to install a package to get autocomplete working for sudo commands. I could go on for pages but hey-ho I'll get there. This is the wife's laptop and most importantly I got Dungeon Keeper II working, which can be tricky, so fairs fair! For me, I'm keeping my main machine on Garuda Linux. Keep the videos coming!
I like the idea of stability and would always choose it over instability with rolling releases - I had a miserable time with Manjaro for example - but at the same time a distro that releases with applications that even the application's devs recommend updating (Libre Office) seems a bit absurdly over cautious?
Or is it more about lack of organsation? If the latter that's perhaps a bit more worrying as I wonder what else they might have missed, at least on the desktop as I'd assume most of the testing and double-checking is aimed at Debian server?
Would it be fair to say that Linux Mint is a better balance between being stable and reasomably up to date? Any downsides compared to Debian and just adding what you need as per Jay's tutorial?
Something very important that should be said: proprietary Nvidia drivers will break Wayland desktop rendering, so if your desktop environment relies on Wayland, you have to chose a non Wayland renderer of that same desktop, or an other desktop alltogether, otherwise you will not be able to log in anymore.
I'm a little concerned now, since I'm fairly new to Linux and I'll be using Nvidia proprietary drivers. I have no idea what Wayland is or how to change renderes, hopefully it all goes well and if it doesn't, guess I'll just have to learn some new stuff. Thanks for the heads-up!
@@YannikaLuvAI don't be afraid, Linux is a cool experience, it's going to be frustrating and painful though, but what isn't? :)
2 very important tips that aren't given in this video (well they actually are I just double checked but it's not very clear), by default Debian doesn't grant you root access, to use the "sudo" command you have to add yourself to the root admin priviledges list, there's a pretty simple command you can easily find on the internet to do that (completely restart the computer after that, just log out won't be enough).
The second tip is that, there will basically be 2 main sources of software, debian repo, and flathub repo, sometimes both work, I recommend the debian repo first for more stability, but if the software doesn't work or only partially work, uninstall it and switch to the flathub repo to have a flatpak version of the software you're looking for.
It's a bit dodgy at the moment, probably because the distro basically just came out, but it's not the end of the world and will probably get much better quickly with updates :)
Oh and to answer your question, Wayland is a special type of desktop renderer, but don't worry Gnome and Plasma to name those both have non Wayland based fallbacks, it's not ideal to be honest though and Nvidia is being kind of a dick about it, it's really long overdue that they open source their driver stack...
don't use Linux if you have Nvidia. runs good with Intel gpu and amd
@@deus_nsf it's not frustrating just if you have Nvidia gpu
Thanks for showing the Nvidia driver install! If I ever need to switch to regular Debian with GNOME I’ll reference this.
This is so helpful, and makes a lot of things clear
Jay, What?! You introduced ME to Pop Os and now you're going to Bookworm ? I feel anxious . xD
flatpacks have one major advantage over usual installation: You get all the dependencies along with software you install in package so you don't have install dependencies like usual, they're instead installed from flatpack.
Thanks Jay for yet another nice tutorial!
Muito obrigado. Foi uma grande ajuda. Você tem feito um ótimo trabalho.
Great job on this. I'd love to see a video on how to get Guacamole working on Linux and Windows. Trying to get setup for my parents sake because they always need help. Every video I've seen about it is very convoluted and you need to learn 3 other programs or sign up for something elsewhere.
This was an awesome video. Much appreciated.
Thanks for this and your many good and in-depth tutorials. I have learned a lot. I have installed Debian 12 on a MacBook pro from 2010. Works everything - except Wifi - very, very well. I just can't find a solution for it unfortunately. Any tip for me on how to turn on wifi? Thank you very much!
shodn't it be rather "sudo apt upgrade", when updating software after the "sudo apt update"? Why "sudo apt dist-upgrade"?
One gets the latest for the current version of the OS where the other will actually upgrade the OS to a newer version. That's how I comprehend it. I always use apt upgrade.
The video is perfect, except for the part you enable flatpack.
I’m sorry, but why encourage Linux community to use Chrome? It’s against privacy and collects too much data on people without so much transparency. We already have great browsers like Firefox as default and even Brave (also based on Chromium) for the more privacy savvy users. Even if the excuse is: “well, everyone uses it, so, why not”, I’d say it’s a disservice to the Linux community.
It all worked ... Amazing !
Just as a curiositie, I installed the VLC via Store.
The flatpak version is 3.0.19 but, SURPRISE, the .deb version is 3.0.20!
All you do is replace debian packages by flathub ones, thus running into the issue of external drives not being unmountable after flathub apps closing. This is not the app's fault, but a flatpak container concept issue. A nasty one.
I can't see the point to suggest Debian if you then tries to turn it into a sort of Ubuntu. Debian software is not an old version. It's the most tested and bug-fixed version. That's the reason why it lies there. I would appreciate the video if you put the stress on the solidity of the actual Debian software as per Debian vision, instead of trashing it. A bit disappointed. About most of the other suggestions, they don't match my way (eg., software redundancy) but I guess tastes are tastes. So I won't spend any further comments about them.
Given that, I anyway thank you for the video and for your general amazing contribute to Linux culture!
You mentioned (and demonstrated) a Gnome extension for flathub. Is there an extension for Plasma?
In Tweak 1, the correct command should be "apt full-upgrade or "apt-get dist-upgrade" instead of "apt dist-upgrade".
If you enter the command in console, then just apt instead apt-get is totally fine
While I do have the root account enabled on my Debian systems, I prefer to use sudo commands for updating and installing things, simply because there are situations where I may step away from my computer while an update is happening, and if the update finishes, or aborts out, the ability to sudo may still be available, but in general I'm not leaving a terminal open with root privileges for any kitty cat to walk across the keyboard and randomly rm -rf the system.
Awesome videos. There's an issue with Firefox in debian that can be experienced if you use a touchscreen. That is Firefox cannot be dragged or resized using the screen touch. This happens with any versions of Firefox, and it only happens in Debian. I installed Fedore 38 and do not experience the issue. Hopefully someone will come up with a workaround.
Jay, your considered one of my favorites related to Linux stuff. I'd love to hear your take on PureOS but maybe its too early and best wait till its updated with Debian 12.
Debian 12.x is for testing wayland on all programs, but Debian 13 will correct all grafics and will return with 3D Cube for kde
Thanks a lot for your video, so useful!
Excellent work!
Mistake in part one: dist-upgrade is for upgrading from 11 to 12 or 12 to 13 . Minor updates should use the plain upgrade command . Obviously there's the fully interactive aptitude and (whatever) interfaces that provide full control with a janky AI .
Don't forget to add the "updates" or "backports" channel to get newer versions of many things without waiting for Debian 13 .
No. "Both upgrade and dist-upgrade are used for upgrading the installed packages on the system. However, apt-get upgrade command cannot install a new package or remove an installed package from the system. The dist-upgrade, on the other hand, can install new packages or remove existing packages if required." -> "The dist-upgrade is a superset of upgrade. Apart from the upgrade function, it can also intelligently handle changes in the package dependencies. This includes removing dependency packages that are no longer necessary or resolving conflicts between packages that arose because of changes in the dependencies. It can also install new packages if required."
Hi is it possible to upgrade Debian 12 to Gnome 44?
very good work you are doing bro
Thanks!
To completely removed a package and its dependencies throw the --purge option with apt remove.
This is a good concise tutorial. I wish they had a better software center. And I wish there were a Budgie desktop option
did you mean
bougie = Bourgeoisie
great video! thank you
Hi Jay!
Very cool. Thank you!
This is a fantastic video! It's helped to give me a refresher on Linux, also this stable ol' grandad Debian, now having the Flatpaks would make this a great combination as a daily driver desktop system with its non free improvements.
I would certainly look forward to a Backports explainer video like this in the future.
Also wondering if Debian will become even more popular now RHEL have restricted its source code to it's downstream rebuilders, like Alma & Rocky, be interesting to see what will happen with this news?
Thanks 👍
Great video. Thanks for making the content.
One question - you installed some apps by downloading .deb packages from offocial website, while installed others as Flatpak. For instance, you could have installed firefox directly through the .deb from Mozilla's official website but chose Flatpak. Why so? Is there any technical reason? I was thinking that maybe installing the official .deb provided by the software company, if it's available, would be preferable to installing a Flatpak version.
Please enlighten. Cheers.
Are you still around?
@@arkeynserhayn8370 Yes, I am.
Want to know more about this too.
@@HarpicBoy
It depends on the type of software:
1. Deb provided by distro
2. Deb provided by software company (aka "upstream"), which once you install it, it adds its remote repository to your APT.
3. Flatpak version.
Usually, you shouldn't be installing packages from a repository other than your distro, for example you should install debian firefox not the one provided by mozilla, as it is tailored for your distribution.
Then comes the second problem, that when software in your distro repo is outdated (or is on prior LTS release), for example debian stable, so if you want newer versions, you should install the flatpak version, (so it comes with its own libraries);
And finally, there are rare instances when you know a particular software is better installed in a particular way, for example vivaldi, which is not in distro repo (it is not fully open-source) and the flatpak version seemingly have weaker sandboxing, so the best way to install it is by their own website, and getting your consequent upgrades from their repo.
Ok, as rule of thumb:
Install a software from your repo.
(If its a chromium based browser and it is not in the repo, install it from their website)
If native "deb" has a problem, install the flatpak,
If flatpak one has a problem install the one from website.
Distro deb > flatpak > 3rd party deb.
@@arkeynserhayn8370 Thanks for your insight. Coming from windows the option of using 3rd party deb files seems more intuitive to me. I will try to use distro repo and flatpak primarily, for learning and getting used to linux environment.
But say If I chose to download something from 3rd party, will I be "breaking" something big in the distro to a point I run into trouble or will I be good for the most part, as long the deb file is coming from a reliable source and not some random website. (like valve, mozilla, etc.)
give nala a chance.. a cli front end to apt.. but it works in parallel...