China’s New H-20 Stealth Bomber is Worse Than You Think
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This new aircraft could change the balance of power in the world. Currently the United States is the only nation to operate a strategic stealth bomber fleet like the B-2. This new Chinese stealth bomber is the type of aircraft that is sent to destroy an entire enemy airfield or soften up defenses for an invasion. The H-20 would have major ramifications for a possible invasion of Taiwan if it is able to evade their air defense systems.
Written by: Chris Cappy & Justin Taylor
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But what kind of weapons and munitions would this stealth bomber drop if its stealthiness is truly able to match the American aircraft? It would drop a copy of the same bomb that the American stealth bombers use of course a JDAM copycat. China created the FT PGB in 2006 which is a family of chinese built precision guided munitions created at the China Academy of Launch Vehicle technology. They range from 100kg to 500 kg or 1,000 pounds. The F-12 variant has a rocket booster that can be attached to extend its range to 150 km, providing a release velocity of 600-1000 km/h.
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I think it will have the same problems as our stealth bomber being very expensive and requires alot of maintenance but could still be an affective weapon assuming it can't be found by our aa systems and its not to expensive for them to use but most likely is just a knock off of what we made
I think this is a copy and knock off from the American B-2 ✈️
If you know anything at all about Chinese technology you know this is just posturing. Just look at them trying to replace airliner engines with the Chinese models. It’s years overdue. They can’t build a engine they directly have examples of in possession. It’s not just if they have the plans. it’s do they have the logistical technology to actually build the thing. Look at the original “Chinese” cpu, the inventor was celebrated, before it was found out he paid someone to simply erase the stamp of the phone company he bought them from and replace it with his own. They were completely obsolete phone CPU’s. I find it really annoying when you cover Chinese technology and you never even provide prof that the supposed weapon is anything more than a model or mock up. It doesn’t exist, it’s just theoretical rhetoric, communist countries don’t have any accountability to tell the truth and every incentive to lie.
If you want good China based news on how the regime actually does things watch “the China show” formerly the adv podcast or leis real talk.
Until you see something actually flying it is just a model. Look up their automated tractor if you want more prof this is how they operate. Stop reporting on theoretical technology as if it actually exists.
99% confidence it is a knock off.
Good on China.
It would be really easy to find out a lot of the classified details of the H-20. Gaijin just needs to make a version of it for War Thunder, get lots about it wrong and eventually someone will post classified info on their forums it in order to prove that what they say about it is right.
Is this a forced meme? Or did something like that happened?
@@Menaceblue3 War Thunder players are known for leaking classified information if the game gets something wrong.
@@Menaceblue3 it was already happened a lot IRL War Thunder forum 😂
@@Menaceblue3 It happened like 7 times now.
this must be cheapest CIA operation ever done, almost opensource for free... by game devs and gamers.... yet CIA is sure there to grab honor and glory.
If I were ever somehow in some military associated desk job and got an email from a foreign youtuber asking for details on our latest stealth plane, I'd be so tempted to respond with a picture of an empty sky and say "Behold the pinnacle of stealth technology"
Clever👍
Make then pay you for the photo first other than that sounds like a good prank 😂
Oh, it`s you again!😃
🤣 🤣
by the time you open the e-mail,that's the moment they infiltrate your computer using malware.
Someone must’ve leaked the blueprints in a War Thunder Forum to win an internet argument
The CIA or DIA should really make a AI program that pisses off Chinese gamers and tempts them into arguing with classified information 😂
My unit sent me to online War Thunder college rather than NET (New Equipment Training) when they transitioned from Motorized to Mechanized. 2 days later I earned my Mike Golf (master gunner) certification. Got my Ranger tab online, too.
Nothing beats a salty gamer hell bent on proving a point.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing 🤣
I've read somwhere in reddit where someone explained that the interviewers asked him if he plays warthunder because he applied to a defense company, im not making this up lol
Still blows my mind that such sensitive information is stored on a system linked to the internet and not stored on a standalone system free from hackers
Even if it was, it won't stop hackers from accessing a system. There no thing as a truly secured system. Especially hackers that run, or paid by Nation states.
@@AS-R-bx3zi not even the best hacker can connect a disconnected plug. Air-gapped systems are the standard for extremely sensitive data.
Pros and cons of being the most powerful nation in the world 🤷♂️
It's just a PPT, and it's not true. It's normal for fantasy products to appear on the Internet.
@@DeuxisWasTaken sure, but people still need to operate the computers and acces them. Most supersensitive leaks nowdays arent usually from hackers but from human intelligence
Regarding the crashed f117, I believe that the Air Force considered the option of striking the wreckage to prevent recovery, but they decided that the 20 year old technology was no longer of strategic importance
Based
"Hah! Stupid Westoid too cowardly to destroy their own secret stealth aircraft!"
"Meh. We don't care. Steal it and make whatever the fuck out of it."
"..."
@@kingsnakke6888 it is funny that the SU57, which Russia still can't manage to get into proper production, has a larger RCS signature than the f-117.
@@HondaCivic-wt2vj how? China isn't known to make stuff on its own. It took them until 2017 to learn how to make the ball point pen. They use to import them from Europe to make it. That should tell you right there.
@@lja996 and even still, their ball points aren't very good. these people are keen to steal every piece of IP they can get their hands on but have no understanding or capability to implement it properly. Since Russia and China both have chip bans as well, they will just fall way behind technologically anyway... and im fine with it. the sooner the ccp dies, the better
reading a blueprint is one thing, having the expertise and understanding as to *why* the aircraft is designed the way it is, that’s another thing. The B2 Spirit is $2Bn per unit and notoriously the most difficult plane to maintain. Don’t assume the theft of its blueprints is such a prize, building their own B2 variants could be prohibitively expensive for China and beyond the cost, still result in problematic aircraft
They also have to consider that the ones who made the blueprints know what they were doing and its limitations.
Kinda bad when your best tech is stolen tech and the one you stole knows how to counter their own technology.
"Prohibitively expensive" dude - their economy is almost as big as the US economy.
The only problem is that when they run out of files to steal - what will they do then?
Cost - don't we owe China a bunch of money?
But you are correct - just look at all the functional aircraft carriers that China and Russia managed to copy ( sarcasm).
( edit : the remarks about us owing money refers to China being financially capable to build expensive toys - I didn't realize I had to spell it out for the narrow minded)
We need fake bait blue prints
They don't have blueprints, just pictures.
Can we give acknowledgements to the B-2? I was a boy, coming from China to the US in 1989 when the B-2 was unveiled. I remember learning English reading about it in a magazine. Now it is almost 35 years later, China is still trying to imitate but not equalling its capabilities, while US has already unveiled the 6th gen B-21. Just WOW!
It's a sick design, for sure. And a huge engineering and computer engineering feat to make it and the 117 stable at any angle.
Yes that’s American Engineering for you, get it right and it’s the best, gonna cost a few billion but worth every penny.
I had a plastic B2 bomber toy as a kid and thought it was sci-fi for a couple years until I saw it on the military channel. Truly one of the 12 wonders of the world.
wil 2029, 2039 and 2049 pass along and still unfinished chinese B2 project?
Go back to corona land
"Either there's a stealth aircraft in the area, or there's a bumble bee making Mach 2"
"Would you intercept me? I'd intercpt me"
Problem is what they don't say. It's a bumblebee from head on, but a Volkswagen from the side. They love to give the part of the information that sounds good. It makes you feel free and sells flags...
um...the issue of the "Bumble bee" is not as simple as that. You see radar does detect all things flying in the air be it birds bees or B2 and all produce a "return" thus the screen, if un filtered , will be full of "images". So special software is used to "filter out" unwanted returns like those from birds/ bees whatever. Now here is the problem: which is a true bee and which is the B2?
So until someone can produce a software that differentiate the two, B2 will still be the winner.
@@michaelwong4303
Could they make it detect the speed?
A bumblebee going Mach 23046 is probably not a bumblebee so i'd have the software display it.
@@Adventeuanspeed is one thing. But the issue is youd be also be detecting EVERY bumble bee or animal that size. Youd have to sort the speed through all the noise, and with that much noise who is to say if its not just a new artifact coming in 250 miles way from the last contact?
The funny thing about B-2 Spirit is not that it's such "advanced piece of technology", after all the B-2 is nearly 4 decades old... it's the fact the B-2 is so expensive and complicated to produce and maintain that no one else tried (...or had the money) to make their own.
Part of the story, but also true that literal trillions in classified research and R&D investment was classified and only available to the US until the internet and democrats made it so easy and uneventful for China to steal our most valuable technology.
Lol its far more advanced then anything made in China.
It's not worth building B2s. Can't even fly in the rain
@@elmohead Seriously?
Rain at 50,000 ft? And lookup how moisture/rain effects radar performance…
Lost it when you casually brought up all the cyber security insider threats classes we have to take because of this
I'm gonna get my cellphone back, if it's the last thing I do in this coffee shop.
especially when the window freezes and LMS acts like you didn’t just finish a 2 hour course
@@florida-man_850 honestly another reason retention is low lmao
@@dejuanballard3367 I always get my cell phone back and get that question wrong
I'll have to note, miniature models of real vehicles or projects are absolutely a thing in engineering, and there's a mathematical technique mechanical/aerospace engineers implement in order to test massive vehicles and parts like aerofoils in a small chamber. So im pretty sure the B-2 had a miniature like this, they just didnt show it.
IIRC that was called tacit blue
Mate all hypersonic vehicles are also tested like this and no you don't see it.
Australia will test fly a scramjet hypersonic drone this year and was tested the same way.
Scramjet earlier versions reached Mach 10 in atmosphere tests in HIFIRE 2007.
New version has reached Mach 12 in tunnels.
@@nedkelly9688 What's your point here? You just said this to act smart. I work in the industry. Everything from Oil Carrier supertankers to military drones is tested like this.
It's a real fun process, too! I've been involved with wind tunnel testing and it's a pretty great experience when everything works right
@@savage7882 The guy agreed with you... why are you arguing
This reminds me when I was the only one at the range with an ACOG. I was called a cheater. I said, “simply put, it’s not a Magic Sight. If you already suck at shooting, it won’t help you.”
It's a good thing that when the US Military does wargames, it gives the opposition force capabilities to match or exceed our own. If we've got our military geared up and prepared to intercept a plane on par with the B-2 and this H-20 turns out to be inferior, just makes the actual job easier.
Yep. Hence the H20 supposedly having a range of 6200+ miles (lol) or a payload capacity of 45+ tons (lol) or their special "submarine hunting zumwalt drone ship" (lol)
The fact is it won’t perform to spec. Just like the Russian junk. When we go to war with China it won’t be pretty for China.
Nope. US keeps losing 'wargames'.
"A brutal loss in a wargaming exercise last October convinced the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. John Hyten to scrap joint warfighting concepts that had guided U.S. military operations for decades."
@@Ziggy_Moonglow learning from mistakes or in this case, losing in war games, is far better than boasting/lying about having the best, totally not copied, tech
@@Ziggy_Moonglow Wargames for the US typically put the US at a disadvantage. Say, a surprise attack by China against a single US CBG in the South China Sea where China launches not only a full regimental sized bomber attack, but supplements it with ASBM launches. The exercise literally would start with 'There's a strike group in the South China Sea. It's doing peacetime operations. China launches an attack with all these assets. How do you defend?'
Ah yes the H-20 'Stealth' Bomber. It's so stealthy when you look at the radar screen you won't be able to see it, because it takes up the whole screen.
lmao so true, even their J 20 wa locked in by an Su 20
@@LMAO-fs1bt Ah yes thank you for reminding me about the J 20 - The Super Flaker, once it goes airborne the paint job flakes off.
Isn’t the B-2 giant as well?
@@KiteeTheFox Yes, however it's not about the physical size. It's about the radar cross section/radar signature of the aircraft.
Nahhhhhhhhhh
As a former Naval Aviator, I enjoyed your research and can relate to much of this report. During my back and forth with the Soviets in the 80's, they did what the Chinese are doing now, stealing our secrets. There were programs I was involved in that were top secret (now de-classified) and we watched and were watched like a hawk. I can only hope that we do better at saving our secrets or our inventions will come back to destroy us down the road.
I'm beginning to think that defence research organisations, maybe any research organisations, need to completely disconnect their computers from the internet and use secure physical means to communicate anything beyond social emails.
These days, it seems like any teenager can hack into ultra confidential servers, despite the best security methods used to determine them.
Not exactly "your" inventions.
It's a copy of the German Amerika bomber Horten H.XVIII
@@gasdive This argument again?
NOPE.
The Yanks had their own flying wing, bomber aircraft that was in development during wwII. Originally fitted with propellers, the fact it was an unstable airframe in an age before computer assisted controls meant it was delayed till after the war.
There's a wikipedia article on it, alongside a few other sources I could give ya if youtube wasn't an ass about links... so instead, I shall finally share the name.
The northrup YB-49, is the jet powered conversion that flew in 1947. The other variant, Is the YB 35, which first flew in 1946.
Also, a reminder. Which aircraft manufacturer made the B2? Oh yeah. Northrup gruman.
@@Destroyer_V0 you're making the argument that the Americans couldn't have copied the Horton's designs because they had one in 1946?
15 years after the Hortons were flying.
Right.
So you’re saying the US has the best military technology except in cyber security? How convenient.
I saw a stealth fighter takeoff from the Air Guard base in Atlantic City. It was insane. The way it took off, it looked like it was changing its shape while flying. It's wild.
Here is the real question. Why are these docs held on anything connected to the internet?
If it was me making the decision the only thing I would keep online or defective copies with built in design flaws that would allow the aircraft to be tracked.
the internet is far from safe or secure like everyone believe it is. Most idiots still put all their data on the internet putting themselves at all sort of risks questioning those which don't or refuses too.
You think people have anything to do with Csec? They probably plug random thumb drives into their computer.
It's EMBARASSING.
@@KrimsonStorm Uggghh. So true. Even with training we Americans are so oblivious to security..
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking it. Convenience. Without a second thought to hacking ability, ambition, and Dennis Nedrys. Cappy is basically telling us we'll have stealth drones on Amazon in 10 years, lol.
China has the most advanced copy and paste technology known to man.
Laern from Captain Jack Sparrow an his made in China gun powder.
Sure but that doesn't make them any less of a threat. The US government is basically publicly saying China is far more dangerous than Russia, whether they acquired their tech through theft or not doesn't change the fact that they can more effectively threaten us.
Nukem
Idk man, you seen fifa games?
China does?
You realise that it's a rehashed German Horten Amerika Bomber right? Horten H.XVIII
It's important not to overplay stealth. As a radar technician told me "It may be the size of a bee, but not many bees fly at mach 2" when referencing the ease of identifying stealth targets.
They really require specific circumstances to be useful.
Yes, but they do drastically reduce the effective range of many radar systems.
Do you know what looks like a mach 2 bee?A 0.99c proton.Reduce the RCS enough and your plane will disappear on the noise.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 it can be hard to see through weather or tell apart from echoes and increases the usefulness of chaff plenty of great benefits, but we aren't that small yet.
@@qwe304 it does plenty, but unless you're next to another aircraft or your returns are bouncing round a canyon or in a rainstorm invisibility or even difficult to detect isn't automatic.
@@qwe304 Yes. Non Western radar systems.
Radar: hey look at that bee going over a thousand miles per hour 😂😂
Radar tech are calibrated on the basis of cross section of the target so sizes like that of bees and birds are excluded by default or the radar would beep 24/7, everytime a bird or insect flies within range.
@@unrealbot3027 nice to know, but it was just a joke 😅
@@unrealbot3027 as you're filtering out the small size targets - maybe check the speed too - leave in the over 400mph ones.
The fact that defense contractors aren't using an intranet system to retain secrets is beyond atrocious. They should be held accountable for that!
Network security standards should be a condition of acceptance for military contracts.
They do use intranets, air gapped production systems, and follow NIST guidelines. That said mistakes happen, files get somewhere they don't belong (usally scientists sharing data for projects) and china is relentlessly probing. Why spend money on R&D when you can spend your budget to hack the US
The fact that Russia and China can easily hack or even personally steal hundreds of top secret information from United States' "super secure" facility tells there's something very wrong surrounding the security system in place or someone from the inside, someone at the top, is helping the Chinese. Chinese are going to steal. Period. But what is the US government going to do about it? That's an important question.
Many writers/story tellers don't know what's the differences from Internet and Intranet, they thought network is some how all connected, like you see in many B movies.
Many writers/story tellers don't know what's the differences from Internet and Intranet, they thought network is some how all connected, like you see in many B movies.
Regardless of how helpful these blueprints will be, the US needs to invest more in cyber security, and add harsher punishments anyone convicted of espionage.
The single biggest cyber security threat is and will always be basic phishing attacks
And more sanctions
Tik tok
usa is the king of espionage. it spies on it own people n its own allies. usa government should be convicted first
@@demonmodz2331 you really don't need Tik-Tok the spie the US government. They're just that incompetent when it comes to the internet.
"Copying is greatest form of flattery."
China : *And I took that personally.*
@3:54 Death Korps of Krieg: As did we.
then do it properly.... "copy exactly" is there for a reason, yet chinese didnt master this yet
that's not what xi said
Lack of imagination is low intelligence. Creativity is intelligence.
@@davidturnbull310 Copying a design is better than making a new one from scratch.
They're so unafraid of missiles that they included vertical stabilizers to boost the radar cross section
did you miss the part where its retractable ?
@@willl7780 did you miss the part where it is made in china?
I watched a B2 fly right over me in the middle of nowhere while driving through Montana. Was nothing in sight as far as I could see. It was haunting. I bet there's a large chunk of deceased critters that witnessed that scary beast in a similar way
Imagine the dead birds got rammed by the b2 :(
Was it quiet?
@@aaronc8057 was completely quiet. I wouldn't have noticed it if I wasn't looking. I think it was coming in for landing because it was very low altitude
Isn't that the area that just had a CCP spy balloon hovering over it for at least 6 days while our freezer temp IQ president ate pudding cups and played with his brightly colored wooden blocks?
@@manictiger probably the same area they sent a balloon over while orange bad man was president. He just didn't care
That Chinese wind-tunnel footage is impressive. It looks like they've invested in a smoke machine _and_ a desk-fan.
Well they do have the most advanced wind tunnel. Even their wheeled trains are faster.
@@tritium1998 America doesn’t run on fucking trains lmao we aren’t in the 19th century
You actually believe it's true. No wonder 40% of Americans think the earth is flat.
@@qianjinTV 这就是真的😆
I like how Cappy just never even attempted to pronounce a Chinese name and just americanes his way through them.
He does the same thing with Ukrainian town names.
It sounds funny to try too hard to pronounce it lol
I love how he absolutely murders every name that isn’t English
So anyone that has been studying stealth tech for the past 20 plus years knows damn well that those angles on the tips of each wing will deflect radar waves like a strobe light at a rave.
I don't believe this is even close to the finished product.
When I did private sector security for Boeing in '07 there were a lot of Chinese interns working for them & speaking in fluent Chinese inside the facility.
They infiltrated all of our sectors...
I work the next town over to the Boeing and not much has changed.
Probably it had something to do with China being one of their biggest commercial customers...?
There is a reason you are "private security" and they are engineers
Well they have a facility in Tukwila washington? Or seattle somewhere in that area andbThat place has tons of asians nothing you can do about it
I think the bigger deal is that it threatens India rather than the US. India doesn’t have an equivalent, and will be forced to either purchase stealth bombers from other countries (which might be hard, since I doubt the US would be willing to sell any), or develop their own. Either way, it forces India to invest more into its Air Force.
China having a stealth bomber doens't mean India needs a stealth bomber just advanced detecting systems will do and in a recent report India said that they easily detected J-20's in their airspace.
Nobody cares about third world countries like india, we are talking about leading countries like china and US
@@god-of-logic99that is still the way of controlling your enemy done by the China. If the H-20 project is fake, then India will toughen up its air defence, eating the military budget for non-existing threat.
They’ll buy a bunch f-35s and better air defense systems/radars and call it good for now.
@@nathansheldahlthey won't buy f35s lol, it's better to buy rafales
Regarding radar signatures, I wonder if any country has drones that are cheap to make but give off a radar signature that looks like a bigger manned aircraft. Basically, instead of hiding your aircraft, you would have a lot of "fake" aircrafts that would waste enemy missile defense capabilities, as long as the decoys are less expensive than the missiles.
And if these would be possible, I wonder if it would be possible to deploy them from bombers or fighters to create an entire group or a wing worth of radar signatures when there's only one or 2 aircrafts.
I think the F-35 has something similar, a decoy that kinda gets deployed and towed behind it that tries to disrupt radar guided missiles and systems - and if worst comes to worst, imitates radar emissions of the host so that a missile hits the decoy instead of the jet.
These are a thing, yeah
Look up desert storm
That is already a thing, and used during combat in Desert Storm
"Luneburg Lens"
Was that smoke on the test plane supposed to be like a wind tunnel? LOL
It's "New-Clee-Ar" damn it!
Newk-you-ler
I wonder if he's aware that he's unable to properly pronounce nuclear
@@con9467 He was infantry, give him a break.
I think the Simpsons' old joke has subverted a generation of people into the wrong pronunciation unconsciously 😂😂
Parts of the F117 that was shot down, ended up in the Chinese embassy in Belgrade. We accidentally bombed it killing three. Not too sure if any physical material survived.
one j-dam came to the floor where the parts were being stored but by some sheer shit luck it didint explode.
@@lunatic_nebula9542 that one J-Dam was probably made in Chy-na
That was unfortunate, so very sorry!
😉
"accidentally" for sure.
The cockpit and wing of that F-117 are displayed in aviation museum in Belgrade. Protected by nothing than a rope guard. F-117 wing is made of three sections divided by two parallel aluminum beams. Middle section is quite conventional, but leading and ending sections are made out special "stealth materials" - paper honeycombs and polyurethane foam. For all that secrecy surrounding stealth, seeing that in person was quite underwhelming really.
I think you hit a pretty important nail when you mentioned conspicuous tankers, which is part of the reason I wonder about both this and the B21 having tanker capabilities. The range of one is large; the range of one with a tanker partner is huge. For Taiwan in particular, having tankers stationed to the East of the island would be a significant force multiplier for the J20 fleet, and probably more significant than a delivery system for weapons that already have high standoff capability.
I also heard there was a tanker derivative of the B-21. It's just modified to handle a different payload and equipped with a retractable drogue fueling system. Other than that, there's not much difference in terms of the overall airframe. It adds a bit of novel capability in the role of range extension.
So why wouldn't China also copy that concept, who knows?
With the US's insane tanker capabilities and logistics networks the range becomes almost unlimited. Theyve flown round trip from the US to Iraq without stopping before.
"What is this, a stealth bomber for ants" llolololololololol.
One has to wonder since the US built the B-2, do they also have the radar to detect it (they know the backbone of the tech). At which point, one wonders if this is "obsolete" (note that usually when classified items are released to the public, it's considered old, I mean shoot, the F-22 is from the 90s)
Such radars exist. They work by showing stuff thats not "there" a stealth aircraft produces a void. Ex. You are flying infront of a cloud. The Radar is reflected to some degree. But thats just noise and so low it dont matter. But if nothing is reflected you know maybe there is something that "consumes" the Radarrays. But its not really usefull. There are not a lot of stealth aircraft there so its really expensive to operate a fleet of radars for such a low thread
Yes our most advanced lidar systems can detect our own stealth aircraft we really don't use radar anymore we can also detect the disturbances through the air
Low frequency radars can show up stealth only at shortish ranges.
All fighter type short wave radars cannot lock on to stealth thus B-21 and F-35 with its internal weapons would take out these radars well before detection......then there is OTH backscatter? rumours abound.
So in short, yes, low frequency can detect stealth aircraft, pretty easily actually. BUT, you CANNOT get a lock on a stealth aircraft with low frequency because of the terrible fidelity of the signal (lots of noise).
Well, a pilot ejected from an F35 over the Carolinas and flew for another 40-50 miles and we couldn’t find it. A few things…we knew its flight path, its altitude, its speed, and its location when the pilot ejected, and we STILL couldn’t find it until some farmer called in the crash. Either A…the F35 is basically invisible to our detection methods, B…our operators are completely incompetent, or C…we weren’t using our best technology in the search.
1:58 that thing appeared many months ago on Chinese social media and had long been proven to be a joke by several employees of a civilian aircraft model company.
I don’t think any civilian up to this point know what H-20 looks like or if it even exists (sure you may say it likely exists based off promotional videos, but are you willing to bet your life on it).
China has a tendency to say about something while doing something else. For example, even just 1 year prior to J-20’s maiden flight, the official word was still that J-20 was simply a stealthy variant of J-10; or when official media hinted repeatedly at building a Chinese Zumwalt when it actually built the 055 and the Zumwalt model in promotional films turned out to be a different project for stealthy sub hunting drone.
My point is that there is no point in guessing what the H-20 will be like right now since it may not even existz
Facts
Facts my guy! Thank you! China is the absolute leader of false advertising 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@ryguy8888 look China may have many things but I refuse to believe they're better salesmen than us Americans. "America is a used car salesman with a flame thrower" -Richard Jennings
@@annoyedbipolar7424 THhe US can have some of its own things sure but it's not even remotely close to the REDICULOUS vile that the See Sea Pee puts out. Anything and everything put out needs approval by the communist party! ANY AIR PLANE OR CRAFT LIKE BALLOON NEEDS THEIR APPROVAL ALSO! There is no such thing as a "CIVILIAN BALLOON" that accidently floats over US sensitive sites 🤣 no such thing as "Fully Civilian Business" either in china because, any and all business within china, NEED to sign Documentation stating, anytime, anyplace, anywhere, any how, the chinese gov wants your info and to build something for them, you have to do so because the see sea pee says so. You can do a little research and uncover whether the US is selling "that car as you say" not as advertised 🤣 , AND THEN people will blow up and call out the usa for fake news etc... because we also have complete freedoms of speech etc....its complete different in China. They vomit verbal diarrhea consistently and unequivocally. Just like the spy balloon 🤣 🤣 🤣 they try to flip the script and blame america for being hostile and wrong blahhhhhhhh 🤣 the issue is that China will never admit WRONG DOING and ALWAYS uses the blame game to avoid looking like complete idiots as they are.. they lie LITERALLY about ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING! They tried to say recently they INVENTED 4G 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 AND NOW THEY ENGINEERED A 4G TRACTOR 🚜 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 THE WHOLE F*N THING WAS FROM A WEB DESIGN COMPANY THAT LETS YOU MAKE A "DESIGN" OF ELECTRIC THINGS....NEW TECH LIKE CHINA'S 4G TRACTOR 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 THEY ARE SO FULL OF SH*T THAT ANYONE THAT HAS A BRAIN AND COMMON SENSE OR MAYBE COMPUTER (BUT NOT NECESSARY) CAN SEE HOW MUCH THEY BS AND LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.
They did actually taunt, officially. So there is a large stealth bomber. Just don’t know how it looks.
I admit: laughed at the wind tunnel model joke.
"This is it? It's supposed to be 60 m wide."
"It says right here on the napkin 60 mm. This is what you asked for."
One thing china certainly does not suffer is the overinflated prices for their contractors. It’s up for guessing how much less money they need to do the exact same thing as the us.
"What is this? A stealth bomber _for ants??"_
I LOLed.
If they're copying us, then they're not ahead of us.
"The Americans dectected and shot down our balloon."
"As expected. Did they also detect our bomber?"
"No, sir. Just the balloon."
"Perfect"
Bingo!!!
👀
Lol. Stop it.
Them chinamen going sneaky-sneaky
Lol. China is copying designs from 1984 USA technology. Go ahead with no chips. 🤣
The retractable vertical stabilizers is some ace combat X02 Wyvern shit
I think something a lot of people need to understand is that while the projected cross section is larger, if it can sit near the lower end of what the J-20 can do, it'll still be an extremely difficult target to track; a few square feet is not something that shows up easily on radar
Nets?
@@RobotoForgoto nets?
@@weeb3244 Nets. Gigantic anti-aircraft nets suspended from our future fleet of dreaded war balloons. It's foolproof.
@@weeb3244 Nets.
Nets!
brilliant episode. chris, you get better and better. very well researched 👍👍👍
Except he can't pronounce 'nuclear' correctly.
Consider that it could be used not as B-2 but rather as Tu-22M. To hunt for carrier battlegroups far in the open ocean (initial targeting data could to provided by orbital assets).
Load a squadron of these with ASHMs and if you can sneak by airborne early warning radar, you can pass the carrier group outer air battle ring and get your launch point inside its inner air battle zone. Doing this would cut the reaction time significantly and with enough ASHMs saturate shipborne AAWs.
Cruise missile carrier that can approach target zone closer.
If you're willing to violate what I presume is international law, and at that point, why not, you could just convert some airliners to actual cruise missile carriers, and strike while flying with civilian transponders.
That'd be quite a bit cheaper than developing a stealth bomber.
@@firstnamelastname8439
Like US Navy converting Boeing 737 to P- Poseidon? :-D Also Iraq used modified Dassault Falcon (business jet) to launch Exocet missiles. Nihil novi sub sole.
Such platform would (in times of war or imminent crisis) be likely detected, intercepted and identified by naval aviation fighters.
Brah right now the TU-Anything is used to launch cruise missiles at playgrounds
I think hypersonic missiles would be an even bigger threat to a carrier. As far as I can tell, there is currently no good weapons system to keep hypersonic missiles from getting through the battle groups and carriers defenses.
Where are the big guns, black triangles with particle weapons and advanced anti-gravity propulsion
After two decades of development yet they still couldn't agree on the final 3D render model. I don't know, man.
Obviously they made all the important decisions already. The fact that we don’t know what these decisions actually were doesn’t mean they weren’t made.
see unlike US defense contractors which are all private, they don't need to advertise it to get the government to bid on the design.
Last year a B2 shaped plane was seen flying over the Philippines. It made the local news and a photographer got clear pictures. But the altitude and speed made it more likely a drone. Who ever it was it was a clear intrusion of national airspace over a major landmass.
It was ours. We can fly in Philippines air space
I believe it was an rq180 whitebat recon drone
If they put as much effort into a stealth bomber, as they did the ironing board I bought (from China) then I think we don't really have much to worry about, and the nice thing about developing stealth technology first, is that we are decades ahead on how to detect stealth technology.
It all depends on how many millions of dollars you paid for your iron board.
@@jwickerszh Exactly. I wouldn't underestimate anyone with millions and millions of dollars. Made in China is just a American tongue in cheek. Americans buy products Made in China by the 100s of millions of dollars every year. It cant be that bad right? A military super power would have the absolute best of the best.
It's a clischee that might have been true at some point but isn't anymore. They can build pretty much everything at high quality
If there is nothing to be worried about (due to your vastly superior detection tech) why
Why all the mass hysteria over a weather balloon.
Brings to mind Tupolev 4 where even battle damage repair was incorporated in B29 copy.
The B2 stealth tech is about 40 years old, and China is still struggling to replicate it.
Whole world for 40 years struggle to understand why at root it was created by USA. Good Luck
People know American military tech is top notch, but forget that the training and standard operating procedures are also top notch, also a large part of US military successes
Not only that, but stealing blueprints isn't all you need to recreate tech. I can assure you there are many stuffs and steps in between engineers forget to jot down on their research papers, and simply continue doing it via training others and memory.
In fact, the US tried recreating an aerogel used for previous nuclear warheads it developed in the past but stopped producing, and they hit a bunch of roadblocks trying to recreate it, despite having the knowledge of how to do it on paper. Turns out the material they had while trying to recreate it was more pure than before, and the reason they couldn't recreate it was because the old materials had certain impurities.
Yeah, because the Chinese that everyone jokes about being good at math just can't train properly? Americans aren't some special breed of person that are magically better at basic human abilities...
reminds me of how every time i look at a Tupolev Tu-160 i always think the blueprints for the b1b lancer got borrowed from the top drawer out of an usaf office in rockwell international lol
A radar operator watching a bee go mach 1
Finally, somebody that uses stock footage and acknowledges that it's not the real thing. All the military leaks happen on the War Thunder forum tho, not World of Tanks, WoT doesn't even pretend to use realistic vehicle stats, or even real tanks for that matter(half of them only existed on paper and/or only as a concept), and doesn't have aircraft....
Wot has leaked tank ammo and armor density/parts before though but war thunder is way worst.
Wot has only leaked about 6-10 things compared to WT which has like 20-30.
@@coryyoung7544 Where do you get your numbers? Just wondering...
@@MaverickBlue42 just recently they released stuff regarding the f-15e strike eagle illegally to win a argument...
Damn. War Thunder sounds like a Chinese military intelligence opp to entice people in-the-know to share real military specs on hardware that is deliberately mis-represented in the game... LOL we all fell for it, didn't we?
War thunder DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THE REAL E-100. What are you talking about they have more real tanks. A vast majority of BOTH games vehicles are theoretical or never saw military service. I am so tired of this argument. Both games are fake as hell because otherwise they wouldn't have a game.
From an objective point of view it is impressive how fast China developed their then mostly outdated military material in the last two decades and how fast they are now able to produce even new aircraft in numbers. Even if their stuff only is half as good as maybe the American weapon systems and copied more or less, that's really something which is a bit scary. And it's only peacetime production. I don't even want to know which numbers they could produce in a few years or when there would be a hot war with China. I hope such a scenario won't happen.
They would run out of metal quickly, and remember they couldn't even get good steel in PEACE time for their carriers.
@@andrewyork3869 I don't think that this would be a huge problem for China. They even could get it from in masses from Russia or other countries if they haven't enough. And they have connections in half Africa and to other countries too.
They copy nearly everything but partly build their own military creations now. No one could really tell if they are good or crap that only looks like modern stuff.
And I hope that no country will have to find it out... .
I think they just don't have the experience to develop a really modern carrier yet. And such a development need many years if you haven't the know how and experience.
Also carriers doesn't seem to be a priority for them. They won't really need them at the moment and if so, they would need at least as many as the United States combined with some European countries and Japan. And they would have to be a match for those carriers. I don't think China could accomplish all that in the next 30, 40 years.
It would take decades and it would need many testing, prototypes and so on.
I also don't think they have a real doctrine for a carrier group as the USA has. Not nearly. The USA has learned and developed how to effectively use carrier groups for over 80 years now. And when it comes to carriers no other country is a match for them.
So the Chinese military mainly modernizes and develops their (Anti ship) rockets, their Airforce and their submarine fleet, which makes more sense for them in my opinion just from an objective military stategical point of view. If I think that is a "good thing" is not the question in this case here for me and I wrote my opinion about that in my first comment.
But they modernize and develop new systems in many many (military and non military) aspects and very very fast. That's a fact, if one likes it or not and if their stuff ist good or crap.
And they have for decades students in masses who learn at western universities and/or get to view western industries (- and often "spy's who steal western Know How" - that was and still is told in media) in every NATO country, or nearly any. Chinese as well as Russian students often are very skillful, especially in natural sciences and mathematics. And they have very fast learned when it comes to internet and electronics. So I think they are also quite skilled when it comes to electronic warfare.
All those state run weapons companies and they can only pump out second rate knock offs.
China mustn't be very good at genuine R&D and rely on stealing technology from others.
@@andrewyork3869 That's cute. They just announced a ban on rare earths like Germanium and Gallium.
@DerDude1977 There is a lot of corruption that stops them from making any sort of progress like you described.
Based on people I know who… are in a position to actually know about this plane, it is going to be a rough equivalent of a B-2 in terms of quality. That isn’t bad, the B-2 is useful, but that isn’t exactly cutting edge
I think china knows they tech is a step or three behind/lesser than ours, so they are hoping to use higher overall numbers to even the playing field. We would be fighting overseas, they would be close to home, our troops are much better trained and equipped, they have three times as many, we have better planes and navy, their planes and navy ships outnumber ours etc etc etc. That, and they will dig in for a long term conflict knowing eventually we will get sick of fighting and give up (in theory.) They underestimate this country big time, and the day they make the mistake of sinking one of our aircraft carriers we will be marching on Washington demanding blood. Gloves off at that point, who knows what out armed forces are truly capable of, but we may soon find out. China wont be happy about it.
Supposedly the replacement for the B2s are a lot better.
Your explanation of the Triad is flawed. Land based missiles are effective, but only if used pre-emptively. Otherwise, it's use or lose. Airborne bombers, whether B-52's or B-21's, are subject to being culled in the way you tried to present Submarines would be. What the Airborne bombers are good for in terms of brinksmanship is the fact they can be scrambled BUT RECALLED (ICBM's are NOT able to be recalled and do NOT have "self destruct" capability), thus they are effective as political "saber rattlers." It's SUBMARINES which provide the ASSURANCE in "Mutually Assured Destruction," and are thus the critical component in DETERANCE.
They named it the H20 so when you shot it down over the ocean it would fit right in.
Underrated comment
Sounds like the f 35 that went stealth mode underwater in SCS
funny
We have a winner. This is funny.
Hi Task&Purtpose just wanted to call out tropospheric scattering radar that uses frequency agile HF to SHF with massively aligned and synchronised antenna arrays for early warning. Jindalee in Australia is a good example of this tech. It defeats virtually all currently public aircraft stealth tech. The Australian example can see ships in Singapore harbour from the middle of the Simpson Desert in AU, some 4000km. The resolution is not so great for hypersonic re-entry vehicles but for sub sonic aircraft quite effective. The cons, the current airborne EW suites can easily detect and jam said scattering radars so must be used with caution, spread spectrum, around background noise level -100dB and below. VERY advanced transmit and receive signal processing. Very sneaky stuff.
and boats for illegal immigrants turn up in Australia, in the north, and they want to be found for all the free stuff. Sometimes it takes a week for them to be found. So I don't think that Australia's defence is a good example to follow!
@@annyer262 finding a tanker ship vs a makeshift raft is a little bit different
@@jameson1239 they are not rafts, they are fishing boats. Definitely more than a raft!
@@annyer262 still most fishing boats are made of fibreglass which isn’t great at reflecting radar waves and are far smaller then container or tanker ships also it’s entirely possible they are detected on radar and they just don’t bring it up?
@@annyer262 still most fishing boats are made of fibreglass which isn’t great at reflecting radar waves and are far smaller then container or tanker ships also it’s entirely possible they are detected on radar and they just don’t bring it up?
Would've been better to call it the alibaba B2
14:32 yup, a 0.9 Mach bug would certainly confuse a radar operator.
Is the H-20s primary purpose attacking carrier groups? Rather than attacking other nations. It can do both, but while the B2 and B21 are primarily for nuclear striking targets in a nuclear war with other missions being secondary (ish) the H-20 seems to be more as a stopgap solution to US carrier groups with it's limited range but increased manuverability with it being able to be used potentially as an offensive weapon second.
Id rather go against the patriot or any (singular) land based system any day than the aegis…
If there's an upside, even if they had full design documentation it is likely that China will be very challenged to make the necessary materials to duplicate a B2 or B21. And that's not to mention the difficulties maintaining it, which for the B2 is as challenging (or perhaps more so) than making the aircraft in the first place.
那你就拿出图纸让我看看
@@台独的老父亲 jajajaja
True. Look at all the difficulties the Soviets had when they reverse engineered the B-29 in WW II, and they had actual copies to work from.
@@johncasteel1780 the Soviets did not have China's superpower. The ability to clone stuff quickly and more cheaply.
@@danielch6662 Clone is a overstating the ability. Clone? Yes. Cheaply? Yes. But does it perform equivalently? Absolutely fucking not. They still can't make a fighter that takes off at full capacity from a carrier.
Cappy you are really putting out great content at a hectic pace yo.
Cool, underestimate your enemy as much as possible.
Also yes i feel like the H-20 wouldn't be able to match the B-2 just yet.
"It needs to be at least......three times that size!"
With our experience and more funding I think we’ll have a better plane and upgrades but got damn we gotta have some better cyber security
Ummm I'm sorry the United States already washed that money in Ukraine. So yeahhh.
@@ericsfishingadventures4433 you really underestimate the US military budget
@@explosivefiend9008yeah,that's like 6% of the military budget.
Oh, and the money's sent to Ukraine isn't coming out of the DoDs pocket book
@@ericsfishingadventures4433 wasted what? Our pocket change? Lmao
@@KrimsonStorm Ukraine is fighting a war on behalf of the west as much as it is itself. Money well spent
I can hear it now. Somewhere in the Far East:
"Commander Hsu! I've got something on my radar screen. What could it be?"
"Private, don't you know a bumblebee when you see one?"
"But sir, that bumblebee is flying at 400 kph!!!"
That's only 200mph 😂
@@lofiguy8136😂 I'm American. What do you expect? I don't know all them foreign maths and stuff!!!
Somebody dropped the ball by not keeping the cyber security department well funded...
With Hillary’s server sitting unprotected in her closet for all the world to see/access (the fact that she got off without as much as a slap on the wrist is sickening!), is it any wonder our enemies have so much our secrets/technology?!!
Doubtful that it'd amount to anything.
all depends on how much u want to under estimate them.
That's what people have said about China's military since the 1970s.
@@J_X999 their military hasn't fought a war since the 1970s. One they (also) lost to Vietnam.
@@jsquared1013 That's what they say. The truth is, by 2030, the US won't have much war experience either. Afghanistan and Iraq will be too old, especially with new weapon systems and doctrines being used by China. Next!
I’d bet they even hacked Coke’s secret formula 😂
Anybody can copy their neighbor's homework, but when it comes time to take the test, they're gonna get roasted.
so funny that even now there r still ppl saying china is copying...ignorant and blind
@@thomaszt6105 because they are lol
@@thomaszt6105what were the last things China invented? gunpowder and fireworks?
@@nightowl835 tiktok, and u so obsessed with it
Basic H-20 platform reminds me of Norrhop-Grumman's X-47B. First attempt to give stealth technology to our enemies was James Cacenaugh in 1986; Northrop's Pico Rivera facility went into full lock down while that was investigated - I know, I was there.
So you say...
@@TheOsfania So mote it be. I can honestly say that I know the first two B-2A's with great intimacy.
God damn that cyber security reference cuts deep
When you nationalize your countires oil: Oh shit there's a bumblebee coming at us going 600mph!.
The China Global Times (my favorite propaganda newspaper) famously never gets anything right. Also their English website is straight up hilarious. XingHua confirmed the 3D design.
It's not important if H20 is copied or not. It's important would it serve the purpose China wanted.
I have an original 1989 Northrop issued B-2 contractors desk model.
What's more astounding is how we still can't protect our sensitive information from Chinese hackers?
Ehh, don't feel bad, not long ago an entire police database containing personal data (phone and home address) of nearly a BILLION Chinese citizens was leaked online, because a guy had the access credentials just lying around on a web blog...
The incompetent obviously "disappeared" under mysterious circumstances.
We started developing our stealth tech in the 1950's. They've got a long way to go.
And they're stealing secrets from planes designed in the 80's.
China constantly steals US tech so I'm not sure about that...
When you steal plans and then apply reverse engineering, you can shave decades off of R&D.
They can develop better and faster in other technologies too.
Aeronautical engineer ❌
Hacker ✅
Reminds me of the Qahar-313 mockup that Iran showed off some years ago. All bling and no basics. We'll see if this is another Su-57 development hell or if they get a squadron equipped in the near future.
Edit: The word is "noo-klee-arr" not "noo-kyoo-lar". Nuclear comes from nucleus, which is what splits in a fission reaction to make an atomic weapon yield what it does.
The "Qaher-313" was the one that was initially single-engine and too small to fit a pilot in its cockpit, and then a few years later was shown in a "taxi test" with "two engines" (that emitted no heat during the taxi), a much larger canopy so the pilot just barely fit, not enough room in the fuselage for weapons stores, on top of the AWFUL aerodynamics (massively thick main wing chord, down-turned wingtips which is the opposite of useful), and to top it all off... the tire pressure markings on the gear doors proved that its "payload" capacity was zero, and that it was so light that it likely didn't even have real engines installed (more weight = more tire pressure; the pressures were very low for the size of tire).
I heard the pinnacle of stealth bomber tech is the invisibility cloak, a fire bolt, and the diff info charm. Just what I heard.
Yeah, the Stealthly Hallows
I'll be scared when we dont have to rely on the B-2 for actual footage of a stealth bomber flying
If we want to continue to be on top, we need more counter espionage tactics or ways to prevent Chinese espionage. If we pour more money and time into this, it will make it all the harder for them to copy, thus further putting them at a disadvantage.
great content making out of no real data at all.way to go mate!
whether he is part of "china is nothing but bad" or he feed his viewers with whatever make them happy. as long as viewers are keep coming.
I'm crurious why is every russian or chinese equipment worse that I think according to youtube defense experts
@@atrece13 take a look how Russian equipment has been performing for the last year, and the long-term efficacy of cheap/knockoff Chinese goods in the consumer market.
The funny thing is that if Norinco hadn't sold cheap small arms to gangs in the 90s then they would be able to sell old fighter jet models to aviation businesses in America for those who sell flights to tourist. Norinco actually sold a nice k98 trainer chambered in 22lr, to be honest I would have love to see them sell a k98 chambered in 223 that could be loaded with stripper clips like you use to load ar-15 mags with.
Command and Conquer: Generals really be predicting the future again
Do consider that there are only so many designs that offer stealth so the bomber will most likely end up looking like the b2 no matter what
Yeah. "Stealth" has the same principles in the US and in China because the laws of physics are the same (I reckon).
@@DonVigaDeFierro Well, you theoretically could make a bomber that looks like a scaled up fighter and keep it stealthy. The B2 was always kind of a flex. They didn't even need any B2 secrets to make flying wing. Todays electronics make it much easier.
No that tells me you lack imagination and you are not an engineer that's all that the statement you said means.
Man, I missed the Cold War. 2.0 should be fun!
Suggest you read
SUN TUZ, Art Of War.
Chinese do!
@@jessemills3845Absolutely! Also recommended Marx, Lenin, Mao and studying up on NVA and VC tactics. In fact you can see alot of parallels with groups of the radical left. We need to clean our own house before we have unexpected guests. Soft men created the hard times ahead. Hard men will have their work cut out.
15:50 - when your pirated tailless aircraft has an added set of canards to do a basic turn, you know it flies like a pig on fire.
variable geometry on stealth is actually very innovative. It would be the first of its kind. And hey, at least it won't pancake like that B2 a couple of years ago because it got into a flat spin on takeoff.
So the Chinese are building a replica of a 40 year old stealth bomber and talking about how advanced it is?
Sounds like a repeat of the Shuttle joke we played in the Soviets
The one thing that has me curious about the retractable vertical stabs on the H20 and it's that a similar retractable vertical stab design was mentioned in some of the proposed NGAD & FA-XX concepts! So if the Chinese are up to there usual BS of standing on our shoulders maybe they caught wind of our concepts and decided to incorporate one or more into the H20 since it's still under development? IDK just thinking out loud! Lol
Or maybe poor maneuverability is a known drawback of flying wing designs, while vertical stabilizers have a known detrimental effect on stealth ... it does not take a genius to propose being able to switch between both configurations as needed.
@@jwickerszh obviously most understand the negatives vertical stabs , canards and things like that pose towards the rcs of a airframe and while it may not take a genius to dream of having both it does take tremendous investment from a R&D perspective and seeing their model with what was a possible feature from a concept design of a future stealth US 6th gen platform was simply interesting, genius.
happy you made this new vid. could you talk about canada though.
What do you want to know about Canada? I’m an expert.
Unpopular opinion I imagine but like, of course you should steal enemy designs (especially proven ones) like the B2 is crazy advanced and if China could save the ~2 billion dollars in R&D it took to design it, why wouldn’t they?
Yeah, everyone somehow forgot roman beat Carthage experienced navy using stolen designed navy.
@@sharkcat1021 All is fair in love and war... unless you steal from America. Then we're gonna cry about it all day.
Except this plane costs only USD100,000 to manufacture. which means that any missiles shooting this down will cost much higher than the plane itself. Also, it doesnt need a pilot.