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To be completely clear here and I stated this during the videos and multiple other times, my intentions were never to attack anyone or any company. It was for informational purposes.
Just because I have a knife that fails doesn't mean yours will unless it's directly related to the design IE Vosteed button locks for instance.
Spine whacking a knife isn't the be all end all but it is a test to decide on if the geometry is proper. I usually test towards the tip the middle and the tang. Requiring at least 3 separate tests. To test in various spots because I've had some fail in one spot and not the other.
If the knife fails it isn't a useless knife (although it may be to some) it's a knife to keep in mind for safety.
The whole idea is knife safety and awareness. Usually a lock failing is an accidental scenario. It can't be planned or duplicated In a perfect way.
Since the original lock test video that I released, I've had dozens upon dozens upon dozens of people tell me in different ways how their lock failed on them, I've had it happen to me. Luckily I was wearing gloves.
Mainly it is for informational purposes and hopefully to be able to correct any locking issues there might be In the future.
I have plenty of knives, liner locks, frame/bolster locks, button locks, crossbar locks, compression locks that are all solid and don't budge or even have the slightest hint of vibration on that lock. Then on the other hand I have knives in all them categories that fail under even a very light tap (with the exception of compression triad scorpion and shark locks, none have yet to fail)
I don't like the knives failing but I'm not really on any side, I'd prefer they don't fail, they shouldn't. Unless it's ridiculous like smashing it like a bat on to a table. But light to medium taps shouldn't be failing a locking knife, lots of knives prove that.
I will put out the information and people can do what they will with that info. It is just my experience and my opinions as always.
Keep rocking brother 🤜🏻💥
Yes your video was clear and concise about the knives not being junk because of the spine whack.
Love you bro....Keep crush'n like a boss!
Well said, keep up the good stuff my man!
Yeah I remember you being super clear about it. And I do remember a bunch of your knives failed on the first really light tap
Did you have that typed up from a public announcement letter you sent? 😂. I hope i made it clear that I was not calling your video out. Just had to bring it up since it obviously sparked all this this time around.
This discussion disclosed a real problem that Microtech rectified at the factory on second run knives.
That alone proves that the conversation was beneficial to the consumer.
I am guilty. I whack my spine to a certain IG Influencer and I fail every time 💧💧😞
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I'm all for full transparency. I think designers/makers/OEM's should be called out. Doesn't have to be done in a dickish manner, but I want to see what they have to say about an issue and how they are going to handle it. #funkwonky
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I've had locks fail coming out of cuts, so I do think there is some validity to single whacks in a few spots - towards the tip, the middle, towards the tang. If it fails a single, medium strength whack that shows an issue with lock. However, I don't trust whacking a knife several times as that doesn't mimic real world conditions, plus you're introducing too much vibration which is probably what will make it seem like it fails. I've never accidentally smacked a knife 12 times, but I have once!
Edit - you just said the same thing lol guess we're in agreement.
Let’s talk about whacking it 😂. Not all locks are created equal. Pick the right tool for the job. 1 whack, everybody knows the rules.
I agree with you. There's no reason to whack the snot out of a knife. A couple of light taps should be survived easily, but doing more than that could cause damage. Now. I will also put button locks in a different category. I'm starting to think they're all suspicious. Lol. Thanks
It's basically every hobby community, ever - Something happens, creators latch on because it's getting clicks and views, the "community" goes crazy for a while (which fuels the fire), then it's gone and we're on to the next thing.
I can get close to seeing the point of the single whack test BUT I'm not going to do it, solely because I don't know what knife I'll be carrying if and when I accidentally hit the spine on something, possibly causing it to close - therefore, it's irrelevant to me. "Uh-oh, this knife failed the spine whack test, I shall never carry it again because it might close on my hand if I accidentally do something stupid." Meanwhile, the same knife has been great for normal use for the entirety of its existence. To me, it's like driving a car into a pole at 40mph and expecting no damage, yet being surprised when there is. Anyway, these are just my opinions, I'm not hating. If people want to beat on their knives, who am I to stop them? 🤣
With all do respect, I’m a firm believer in the spine whack. If I’m paying an ungodly amount for a so-called hard use knife. I want that knife tried, true and tested for hard use. Hard use just ain’t fidgeting a knife. Hard use is exactly what it is, hard use…
I could care less about fidgeting! I buy a knife that I can use as a tool and knowing it won't unexpectedly close on my fingers. Guess that's why I only own one button lock which I treat like a slip joint when cutting materials. I have other knives with more secure locks (Spyderco and Cold Steel for example) for heavier work.
In my opinion, spine whacking should never be done, but especially on a new knife. You want your tang and Lockhart to marry over time. In the beginning and over time these two surfaces become unique and married to each other. Think of our beloved internal combustion engine, even though there are sets of rocker arms and push rods that are machined to very tight tolerance and all exactly the same. BUT, when working on these you never mix match when putting back together because these parts have "worn" and become married together over time. They are unique to each other now. My point is spine whacking a new knife is detrimental to these parts wearing in and becoming married over time. That being said, spine whacking a knife that is older and the tang and bar have worn in and become married, if you spine whack on that, now you are potentially disrupting that harmony, that marriage.... spine whacking to me is like blade centering.. I fukn hate when it happens, but does it really hurt anything. I'd be willing to bet more people get struck by lightning than having a "good" quality knife fail on them. Thank you
Great points!
Also fair points
@@dansatermo3185 thank you
@cwalker228 thank you!
I see your point. I do think a single whack test should be fine and wouldn’t mess with the marriage 😂.
Agree the multiple hits is not duplicating a real situation, one hit is more likely, Thanks Kev 😎
Personally I'm good if my folding knife doesn't fail with pressure placed on the spine and LIGHT taps on the spine. For me anymore wacking than 1 light tap is unnecessary. But I like thin light weight folding knives that cut extremely well above all else and carry a fixed blade for hard use.
It is my opinion that folding knives aren’t made for chopping, especially backwards.
I think what you said about hitting it multiple times is very very true. Most failures take multiple wacks in testing which makes it even more likely it will never happen I have button locks I can make fail in 2 wacks. I don’t hard use button locks dosent add or take away value for me
If l am carrying a knife while driving down a backwoods road, during a snowstorm, and l find myself stuck in a position where l have to gather a pile of firewood to keep warm until the next snowplow comes by...l want my pocket knife to be up to the job of splitting and feathering that wood. To those who say, " Just use your cell phone" l guess you have never been in a major storm with power outages, cell phone towers down, and thousands of other stranded motorists tieing up the airwaves.
This would be no time to find out that l left my "strong lock" folder at home, and the knife with me has a "questionable" lock. I want to know if the LOCKING mechanism on my knife will stay locked under even unusual circumstances.
To all the haters out there who will say, "just stay in your car until the roads are cleared" have no idea what a northern snow storm can be like. In one storm in my area, cars were abandoned for weeks, sometimes completely covered in snow, with snowmobiles driving over the tops of cars and buses and snowplows clipping the sides of abandoned vehicles & pushing them into ditches, or fields.
And to those who say, "l always carry a fixed blade, or axe, or lightsaber", l say the knife you carry IS the survival knife you will need in an emergency.
If you bought a first aid kit and found it lacking in basic equipment, you wouldn't make excuses, you would buy a better kit.
P.S. Being stuck on a unfinished major highway during winter, hitchhiking in a light jacket, and freezing because no cars were passing by after midnight...l did start to use survey sticks to light a warming fire under an underpass. This stuff does happen, and when it does, you never forget!
The bottom line is your average 7.5 inch edc knife is absolutely not meant to or designed to do what you’re describing They’re built to be light and comfortable not survive the apocalypse. But if that’s what you need you can absolutely carry something that will do that. Expecting every knife to be able to do that is completely illogical. A logical solution is keep a bug out/emergency bag in every vehicle you own Being unprepared isn’t a reason to expect a tool to do something it isn’t designed to
Great video, well said and I agree with most of the points.
Years ago, when I had just started getting into anything nicer than Cold Steel, people were just starting to point at ZT for failing spine whacks. No idea how far back before that, it goes... But I think ZT may have redesigned their lock geometry, at least in part, because of the drama. So to me, there are definitely upsides to the "test".
But I think, what you expect from you knife, where you start, in deciding how strong/reliable your lock needs to be. As left said, a button lock is probably not for you if you're planning on beating you knife up. Just understanding that lock strengths vary, and MUST vary if you want variety.
My main thoughts on this would be-
I've definitely felt that "vibrate lose" thing Lefty was describing, when spine whacking.
You shouldn't really be spine whacking your button lock anyway, the contact point of the lock to blade is too small. It's almost certainly going to dent something, usually the plunger.
A downward pressure test would make sense.
Lefty is on point.
I totally agree with you 100%. One whack, thats hard but not super duper hard. A good whack should be the test. It should survive that, and that should be good. It is getting out of hand with people testing locks with 10 hard spine whacks.
Love it when you whack it. Sure there's a hit song in there somewhere 😂🤣. Seriously though I've had a lock fail on me and that's what started me testing out my knives years ago, mind like you said a single whack is all I do at several points on the blade and I open and close it before every test whack just to see if I can trust it or not. Accidents do happen and knowing your tools limitations also requires a bit of common sense. Not using a button lock knife as an outdoors hard use folder is what I'm talking about. But if you advertise it as a hard use folder it should be able to stand up to a bit of reasonable hard use. I agree with you on the middle ground test but within reason of what actually occurs in accidental situations. Thanks for the great vid and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.
Hey don't go back and check all your knives for a spine whack and lock bar travel. Because if you are watching this that means you have too many knives to begin with lol, we all do. Any how in this game nothing is perfect no matter how much you spend. End of debate.
Just buy a slip joint if you don't care about the lock working properly. Lol
I agree with you. I especially liked it when you explained what a lock is. It's a lock. It's supposed to stay locked until YOU unlock it. But there are some out there that don't even accomplish their function to lock in the first place. Those are the ones we want to know about. Thanks for the video.
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🤣 whack whack whack
Metal complex has gotten 3 bestech goodboys and all 3 failed on the first or 2nd whack and he also got 3 vosteed thunderbirds that failed on the first whack. Button locks seem to have a higher failure rate then other locks because of the way they lock up
If you want cold steel strength just buy a damn cold steel knife!
After GBall’s video, I tested some knives out of curiosity and had two failures (Civivi Voltaic and Hypersonic). It was shocking how easy and repeatable the failures were. I still like both knives and just like having the knowledge that they failed so easily.
Thanks for sharing bud!👊🏻I’m in between on this one. I haven’t had a reason yet to make me want to test it that way but I say whack it if you want to if not don’t. I also agree that whacking it to much isn’t really fair too but hey I think we can all get along and have conversations that are debatable to one another and all still be cool, if only the whole country could do the same.
I’m not right ever! Just ask my wife. 😂😂😂
I think it's kind of a dumb test. I don't see it happening. Is it better if it passes? Sure. Do I really care if it doesn't? No.
Well the whole idea is, if it can withstand several whacks and vibration as you call it…the lock is reliable enough to trust
First, I disagree with your suggestion that one impact is sufficient to test a lock, because in some cases a lock will fail if the impact originates in one area, e.g., towards the tip, and in another case a knife might pass that test but fail if the impact is towards the middle or base of the blade. As far as the value of the enterprise, I'm kind of on the fence. I think knives should pass the test because someone might encounter a situation where it fails. At the same time, most of my use is light-duty EDC (packages/cardboard), so the odds of failing a lock are pretty astronomical. In the rare case where I'm doing something more challenging ... I have tougher knives that I know won't fail.
3 whacks 3 spots is good. If it passes those it's golden. You can get a very good idea by a fairly light tap
Ok i see that. So maybe disengage and reengage in between each whack?
Yes, I think that would be perfect.@@LeftyEDC
If in doubt use a knife with a triad lock or compression lock! I treat button locks like slip joints. Very light work only.
Personally I spine whack my Jack Wolf Knives…. Not a single failure!😅
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I 100% agree with you Kev it's built to hold downward pressure not consistent hits repeatedly but if a knife fails at just a single tap then 100% bad lock bad design
I can understand why people feel like this test matters, or at least helps them feel confident, but I can't, for the life of me, foresee a circumstance in which that kind of force would be replicated under any normal use of the knife. I'd be interested in seeing someone fail a lock while pulling the knife out of any material they are cutting, versus this kind of shock test.
Saw several accounts where that is exactly what happened, some resulting in injury. Seems button locks were the main culprits. I only use button locks for light duty, not embedding in materials etc.
@@johnruiz6743 At the end of the day, Its certainly important to feel confident in the locking system of your knife. I'm all for whatever kind of testing helps that cause, even spine-whacking.
Well said I agree with you. I’ve only ever had one lock fail and I could easily close it with just the pressure from my thumb. It was a Medford smooth criminal. Sent it to Medford about a week later I got it back and all was good. If they are willing to fix the flaw that’s all I care about.
I know greg was pretty clear about it being just an awareness thing and was just pointing out that it happens and tried to be fair to all styles and companies. And not saying the knife sucked or company couldnt be trusted, but just to show what can happen. Thought it was pretty fair. And neeves had a great follow up about how a knife gets stronger with use. All great points. But i think it applies to more of those that hard use their knives. I am a very light user, but appreciate hearing the info that is out there to at least be informed and not just dismiss it. Thanks Kev
Did you see the baton test by Stassa23 on the Microtech MSI vs Stitch? That is the most valid test I’ve seen.
Yes. But batoning with a folding knife isn’t necessarily realistic use case. Definitely interesting how that msi performed
@@LeftyEDC IDK. At least he was doing something reasonable with it. anyway - I agree with you that spine whacking just to see if it would fail is a bit ridiculous.
In my language, we have a saying that goes as follows. With enough force, you can break off your finger in your ass. Knives are not indestructible. if you are going to try to break it, it probably will.
Are you German?
Yes Kevin, we should all be civil adults and too many keyboard warriors that are probably scared children in reality. But I digress, the only video that made sense to me ( excuse me for not remembering who it was) was someone working construction and the knife hit a wood beam or something and closed as he walked by. I wish I could remember who but I saw it . Other than that, if you’re abusing the knife, get a fixed blade or triad lock cold steel. As I typed that I heard you say get a triad lock 🤣
It became exactly like politics...people can't actually talk or debate things anymore....If you think one way you suck as a human and should play in traffic...if you think the other way, you still suck as a human being and should play in traffic...it's lose lose...
Why even have a lock if you can't question its integrity? We should all just have slip joints then.
My gun ftf x amount of times. Should i give the oem a pass?
I thought this was a lock discussion. Why is it a gate discussion? There are no gate whacks happening.
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Fair points, I agree. I think the bigger question for me is, what to do with the knives that fail with the easiest of test ?
Good point
I find the best, middle of the road test is a few solid wacks in my palm. Alleviates some of the vibration, less likely to damage and gives me the security that it will not fail unless I'm using it in a UFC ring.
The consumer needs confidence in the knife they bought. When my Begleiter XL button lock closes easier than a slip joint, then I have no confidence and will not use it. We learn to have confidence with our gear in the military, like protective mask, and body armor. These cannot fail, or you are done. Spine whack is valid.
I agree with you, it’s similar to when car reviewers criticize an SUV for not handling like a sports car. To be exceptional in one area, inherently means to lack in another. Wacking the spine 10 times is not a real world application test. If the lock on your knife can withstand an explosion phenomenal…it’s not everyday I’m in a war zone.
My UTX85 has never failed a spine whack. In all seriousness, I think if you're doing stuff that might fold a knife up you should probably use a fixed blade or OTF. I agree they shouldn't fail but if you're generating vibration and adding them up, some locks might bounce out.
Oh well. I‘d rather have it pass the whack test than not. I tend to break stuff, so nothing against a bit of an overbuilt lock 😁
You pretty much put my exact thoughts into words, so I don't really have much to add without being redundant. But I read a comment further down about your "F bombs"... If it's part of your everyday vocabulary, as it is mine, you should use it however you see fit. JMO. 😉✌️
I totally agree! Just one time! If you wanna wack something over and over again just grab you a sock for the love of GOD! 😂😂😂😂😂
You're not going to damage a hardened steel insert/lock face by simply tapping it with light to medium taps. Some of these knives are literally failing by a simple tap. Sure i can break/damage ANY button lock by wacking the shIt out of it....but thats not whats going on here.
Any locking knife can fail, they are designed to collapse to close. If that is a problem wit that, buy a fixed blade.
My slipjoint failed the whack test. I'm asking for a refund.
Good job putting this out there, Lefty. I'm a newbie so I don't have anything smart to say except thanks for showing your Richard Rogers. I needed another knife I can't afford to lust after.🤑
I like the way MC does his test. 1 he's got the best testing glove on YT. 2 he's not beating the hell out of the knife. A couple stiff, medium wacks. If the blade stays locked, the lock is perfectly fine. If it closes after one maybe 2. Maybe the manufacturer should redesign something. I also want to say something else, just because a lock fails, the knife is not junk.
if companies don't get called out then the problem will never get better only worse. Quite a few companies started running Magnacut harder after community backlash.
Summary : Spine whack failing warning can be informative. The way used to do the test can tell if it"s a relevant test or not, as you say, too much repetitive whacks in one test is not informative. End of the debate ?
I will never forget the disapointment on Doody's face when he saw his brand new Herman Knives failed so easily. It speaks for itself. No one wants to have that on a pricy knife, but no need to be hysterical for a production cheap knife. Maybe it would be a great idea to contact other youtubers to see if they have the same issue with the same knife, before making a buzz video. Warning people for their safey is a good idea, but howl with wolves for nothing makes the word quiet.
I don't like drama in general, but I think we can all be critical without the freeking out part. At the end of the day, it is about opinion, like you said. Everyone has and deserves their own opinion. We need to hear both sides of this argument if we want to decide for ourselves what our opinion will be.
I don't like group think or an us against them mentality. I will not blindly follow because it is an honest debate that makes us better.
My opinion on this:
I prefer to base value on actual experience. This comes by the way I use my knives and how well they meet my expectations. My expectations are formed by reviews and what I see as the design, materials, and apparent quality. If I like it enough to buy and I am happy after extended use, then it is a good knife to me.
For each knife its purpose, you don't use an edc/gent/pricey knife with a "weak lock" if you gonna hard use it, like on a job site. The same for HRC, don't be stupid, understand and use your tool accordingly.
Thanks for your video and to all the knives reviewers who desperately try to appease this 💩storm. People really need to be more objective instead of rapid firing at any "💩gate".
Personal opinion: Treat all folders as if they were slipjoints, regardless of perceived or actual locking ability.
I agree, in no realistic situation will you be accidentally hitting the spine 5+ times. if it happens once you know it and you’re like shit I just hit my knife I gotta be careful. So yes one good tap is all you need. And it definitely shouldn’t fail from a press of the thumb on the spine. The problem with easy failure is that some people’s fidget toy is another’s work horse. It’s called a lock it should lock within reason. You can kick a locked door in too.
Lefty, I like your take on this. I agree with the whole one wack thing. However, I also think it's worth wile if this challenges the OEMs to strive for better lockups. Thanks for the awesome content!
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with spine whacking your knives to see if they pass a basic safety check. If my liner or button lock can’t pass a simple spine wack then something is wrong with that knife. I’m not too concerned about frame locks because your hand provides additional safety. All in all I think it’s a bit disingenuous for creators and makers to act like it doesn’t matter when locks fail a simple test.
My Boker Strike auto failed the spine whack text. Good thing is the Stike has a secondary lock.
Knife makers that market knives as “hard use”, looking at you Microtech, ZT, Hinderer..etc; are part of the problem. I know what I’m getting with makers who are more concerned with aesthetic and fidget factor. However, if I think I’m buying a work knife I expect a stronger lock. Also, I find it odd that these things aren’t quality checked before full production. Isn’t that the entire idea with prototypes?
Absolutely, anything (Microtech MSI) marketed as a hard use knife should not fail a reasonable spine whack test, ever. We are paying a shit ton of money for these things and trusting their manufacturer QC and testing. It shouldn’t be failing.
Agree 💯 on “hard use” knives
What? Telling me I shouldn’t be batoning wood with my vosteed?
to lay to rest the thought that spine whacking is pointless and useless , Stassa spine whacked his Microtech MSI ramlock failed with extreme light whacks and then showed why this matters when he tried batoning a small 3 inch round of wood and the lock failed with light taps ...... this is why it matters .
All issues have two sides and the solution is generally a synthesis that lies somewhere in the middle. Social media doesn't work this way, which is why there is so much conflict in the space.
Nothing weird here just a comment section full of guys talking about how and why they like to whack it 🤓
I frankly find the spine smack somewhat informative. I have tested a few of my button locks and it informs me on whether to consider the knife about as safe as a slip joint, or whether it could do something a little more robust. Even with that knowledge I'm pretty much a light use knife guy, so I rarely have situations where I'm applying pressure to the tip of the blade in the wrong direction.
ive experienced the opposite. the more you whack the more it moves inward not outward. im in the boat that the knfe should withstand many spinewacks. but that me.
“If you whack the shit out of it, like Hulk Hogan whack it….” 🤯
Agree. Folding knives aren't designed under normal use to be spine whacked. Your point about surviving one whack is a good one. It's reasonable. I've been carrying knives for almost 70 years starting with slip-joints. And I only remember one instance where a folding lock was inadequate. That particular knife was just poorly built with bad lock geometry. Now I must confess that I don't generally spine whack my knives at all. If I have a job that calls for an extra tough knife I use one of my Medfords that's built like a tank. Great video. One thing I've learned having lived a fair number of years is many people focus on things in life that really aren't important in the grand scheme of things. 😊😊😊
Its so sad seeing the microtech MSI, it fails if you look at it wrong
List of knives that I've owned that fail this test:
Holt haptic
Shiro quantum ursus
Crk zaan
Rh tasca
Maverick concepts heian
Probably 5 more
All amazing knives that aren't leaving the collection because I don't baton them in the woods like an ape
The Tasca surprises me!
I have a Coba and I could chop a tree down with the spine of that blade and not get the slightest bit of lock movement.
Edit: I've batoned with it hundreds of times over the years. It might actually be my most used knife.
“Spine whacking a knife to test its adequacy as a knife is like dropping a beer glass to test its adequacy as a beer glass.”
As someone who has been working with metal for more than 4 decades, and is now in the rigging industry where understanding forces is mission critical, it surprises me that this is even a question. Any time a metal tool or machine (or any product for that matter) is used in a manner inconsistent with its intended purpose, any claims about its expected performance are null and void, and for good reason.
In this case, the spine whack “test” introduces dynamic forces on an tool that’s designed and intended for static forces. Motion (dynamics) dramatically magnifies force. That’s why a fast car hurts more than a parked car. 😂
Knife Example: Say a knife’s lock bar was designed to resist 100 STATIC lbs. of force. It will not fail if 100# (times the safety factor) was slowly applied to it. But if that 100# was INSTANTLY applied to it, it could easily result in 1000# or more of dynamic force. That’s why dynamic force breaks shit and why this test isn’t testing anything relevant.
Spine whacking a knife to test its adequacy as a knife is like dropping a beer glass to test its adequacy as a beer glass.
It makes no sense.
Good points. Basically what i said but way less words. Although i do allow for one whack in my thinking as it could accidentally happen. Although i suppose using ur argument that doesnt matter since its not an intended purpose. 🤔
I don't care much about lock testing. My EDC use is light. If I'm doing something intense, I pick a knife designed for the task. That said, I've never had to spine whack test a Kizer. They just failed on their own while I was using them. Two buttons and even a liner lock. Kizer will always be absolute trash in my book.
Huh that sucks. Ive never had a non buttonlock fail from them. Not sure if the bls have either but ill check them out
Is this why my Voodoo won't sell??? It legit passes the test 😫
Knife packaging has never disengaged a lock. I am safe.
THANKS Kev. Having an intelligent discussion, that's how I learn,,, listening to someone else's perspective.
I don't spine whack knives, I have certainly watched vids about it. But if it happens to me I'll deal with it and the circumstances then. Today,, you are the voice of reason. 😮🤣👍👍
A broken clock is right twice a day 😂
Locks can fail and will how many locks do you have on your front door
thanks for being reasonable
At 12:54 of the video. Just buy a fixed blade 😂😂😂😭
i agree with everything you said brother
Well said fair points that needed to be said!
Every knife should be to withstand pressure applied to the spine in case you accidentally get it stuck in cardboard or Styrofoam etc and you need to wiggle it up and down to get it free other then scenarios like that
That’s fair but thats pressure not repeated vibrations with pressure
Great discussion Kev! I agree completely. Ive had a few fail like the Oeser f22 kickstop (1wack). Thats not good for a work knife. My emersons actually lock up stronger when spine wacked. Im also surprised you didnt make any thats what she said jokes in this video. Ample opportunities.
Yea i left some good ones on the table for sure
Everyone like to bash on emersons but iv had just about all of them and they were all solid. I had a few that had a little lock rock but they never failed lock test and eventually the lock rock would go away. Tough knives
This is the same crap that happened to ZT a few years back with there locks and they haven’t bounced back yet!
Everything you talk about in your video made complete sense but no matter what you say people are going to find something to argue and complain about
After GBalls video- I lightly spine wacked a few of my knives. My QSP liner lock penguine failed with very little pressure. I researched it and found out how to fix it- so for me the video was helpful and I learned some things. Big heavy wacking is silly and unneccessary
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How did u fix it? Add tension to the lockbar?
cleaning and then a little sanding between the lock bar and the handle while putting on pressure. I found a UA-cam video on it. it worked and I have done it on one other knife as well@@LeftyEDC
Them boys been whackin in my toolshed
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
the multiple whacks is to test hits at different points on the blade some will fail at the tip and not the pivot some will fail at the pivot and not the tip , if spine whacking makes your lock "deform" you got a non heat treated material send it back.
I guess. Maybe if u unlock and reengage between each of those whacks it would make sense. Good point on the heat treat
Interesting Discussion
I got a cjrb echo that can't even take a tap
I get the banging the shit out of it but stassa was batoning threw wood and msi clearly failed with easy taps😅
Yep that lock clearly was dog 💩
No lock should fail .
I never whack it! 😜
I think spine whack (within reason) has its place. I'm out in the forest all the time. Say I'm cutting off a small branch for my campsite often I just use my pocket knife since it's always available, regularly I might slip out of a cut and hit a branch or a small tree. If I hit that branch I think that is the same as a spine whack and if that lock fails and I'm in a heavy push cut, that can turn out really bad. So lock up geometry and solid lock up are really important, it's kinda the whole point of a locking knife that it won't close on your hand while bumping something or getting it loose from dense materials.
Wouldn’t u hit it with the edge though if that happens?
@@LeftyEDC It really depends, I often hit the spine when pulling the knife out of a branch since it can be very dense brush. Weird things can happen skipping off knots also. But I have luckily not had any failures so far, but the circumstances are there. And understand it CAN happen, so I try to be as careful as I can while getting the job done.
I like a frame lock. When your gripping it during hard use your squeezing against the lock. Sure if I can force a blade to close like a slip joint then thats no bueno. I think the multiple spine whack tests are silly.
Wait, u agree with me? 🤩
@@LeftyEDCI do kev. 😂
Dead horse! 😂
When reviewers conduct certain tests on knives, like those torture tests of the Dutch Bushcraft Boys, the knives that they test seldom exit the tests unscathed. Most are destroyed, hence the term tested to destruction.
If you purchase an automobile, you don't want the crash tests to be babied...you want to see what happens under the worst case scenarios. Same with lock tests on folding knives or strength tests on fixed blades...as Cold Steel is wont to do, test until it breaks. This is part of the reason that Cold Steel has the reputation of building the strongest knives in the world.
So a gentle spine whack test proves nothing, and any test worth its salt just might do damage to the knife. If you don't want to risk damage to the knife, then don't test it and don't try to say that has a "strong" lock ...it wasn't tested.
For those who value their knife collections, as l do, then the only solution is to either stay out of the discussion of lock strength... or buy two knives, one for the collection and one for testing. Or leave the testing to those with deep pockets who are willing to break a few knives for the knife community.
Who is breaking folding knives for the knife community?
@@LeftyEDC :- A few examples:- Dutch Bushcraft Knives, Cuttingboard reviews, Joe X, Survival Strategies, and many others.
I understand that you are busy producing content, but your subscribers are busy consuming content and we come across many videos that test knives to destruction.
Agree or not with the format, many knife enthusiasts welcome videos that put potential future knife purchases to severe tests. This tends to weed out the cheaply produced and highly praised knives, who are unable to keep up with their claims but are still more than willing to take our money, even though they are lacking in quality and durability.
We expect this level of testing in our automobiles, our appliances and camping gear...and also in our knives (which some of us depend upon for survival in the woods and jungles of the world).
Far better for a knife reviewer to test a knife to destruction, than to have the general public find out to their personal detriment that the fixed blade (or folder) that they took camping will probably break at the weak tang, or fail at the new "super locking mechanism".
My opinion on this issue is that if the lock failing the spine whack test is something you don't want to deal/worry with then don't use the knife. Both of my first run Microtech MSI & Stitch that I purchased last year at Blade Show failed the spine whack (combined cost of $500). However, I'm not going to buy the newer versions and I still plan to keep/use both these knives. My Vosteed Ti Thunderbird also failed and I'm still gonna use this one also. I don't see myself using these knives in a way that would cause them to fail. Breaking down cardboard boxes, cutting rope, zip-ties ect should not cause the lock to fail on a folding knife. If you're in doubt of the ability of your folder to handle the job then grab a fixed blade. However, I agree the locks should not fail, especially on midtech knives. And I've watched videos of knives in the above $500 range fail.