It reminds me when I was living abroad and someone added me on Twitter, and in their language I tried to write "thanks for adding me, but I can't talk to you well because of the language" but due to my error I actually wrote "thanks but I will never talk to you." .. she reacted poorly. luckily a friend helped me explain my mistake, but our relationship was never a good one because it started off on a bad foot. The Franklin case is way worse, but it's definitely a situation where it's just too far gone to ever be right.
in regards the the inch of pistol barrel length, I think Paul would put it best: "does that 1 inch make 'A' difference? definitely. Does it make 'THE' difference? you decide "
I think there's a good argument for Ruger as a single manufacturer as a single company for modern weapons you might want. Not as nice as your FN or your HK or SIG. But they do offer a variety of firearms that are good value with reasonable quality.
I'd just like to 'Echo' the positive anti gun feedback. As a Brit I decided to try and better understand the US relationship with firearms and this channel has really helped (as has FW). I honestly would now think I'd join a club an look to enter 2gac if I found myself living in the states. Good job guys.
@@petrl9838 I don't know if there are any events in Britain. It would be _deeply_ unpopular with the press, and you'd have to work around the prohibited categories of guns. You could maybe do a two-gun with a rifle and shotgun if you didn't mind bolt or lever action for the rifle.
Having owned an M14, I had certain expectations when someone offered to let me try their Mini 14. I was SHOCKED when the magazine went in smoothly and intuitively - I had to repeat the process to make sure it wasn't a fluke! Jim Sullivan worked his magic there for sure.
Bloke On The Range has done stuff on the Garand side that should fill in enough of the gaps to let you draw your own conclusions. Unfortunately the pertinent bits of info are spread throughout several video.
Absolutely, a huge oversight -- the CZ P-10C is, at least for me, the best out-of-the-box, ~$500 polymer gun on the market; the Scorpion has *made* the contemporary PCC market; the GIGN, who were working with H&K 416s just switched to the Bren 2; and CZ has a full compliment of long range rifles to boot. If I hadda pick one, I'd pick CZ too.
@@cmaljai The Evo is gettin' down there. I got one for $725 and it was absolutely worth it. The aftermarket support is incredible. About the only original things left on it now are the irons, the bolt, and the receiver.
@@borkwoof696 To be fair he also does chronograph tests that do show a significant increase in bullet speed even with an half inch increase, it`s sometimes between 50-100fps, sometimes even higher, that`s a significant increase if you try to have bullet expansion.
@@aaaneoseeker It does, bullet expansion is key to stopping power for pistol calibres. An increase of muzzle velocity even just by 50fps can mean the difference between full expansion and no/lackluster expansion. Especially with calibres like 38 special, 380acp or 9mm which are highly dependent on velocity to reach adequat expansion having 1/2 - 1 longer barrel drastically increases your chances of ideal expansion. This doesn`t mean that a "bullpup" pistol is the ideal choice, if you can just get a pistol or revolver with a longer barrel. But for a highly concealable pistol, this might be a good work-around, if the technology works that is.
That's a good point. I had the same problem coming up with a single american company but knew there was one. Seeing your post reminded me it was Ruger. They have made shotguns too which kind of makes them a one stop shop.
I believe the reason so many struggle with the magazine change on the M14/M1A/Mini-14 is that they think of it as a rock-n-lock like the ak when it is acctually more of a straight in rock back design. Ur not supposed to hook the magazine on the front catch but push it past it. The front catch on the M14/M1A is the back of the recoil spring guide rod and will move forward out of the way when a magazine is pushed in. This allows you to incert the magazine in at a slight forward angle untill it clicks past the front catch. Then you rock it to the back to fully lock it into the gun. The Mini-14 is similar in how you incert the magazine except that the front catch is milled into the reciever. But is designdd so the magazine will pop past it when incerted properly. Biggest issue with this system is if you dont know how to use it its way to easy to muck it up and get the magazine locked in while missing the front catch. Wich can be s real pain to then get the mag back out.
Love how butt hurt people get over a gun being handled roughly. As a former infantryman, excluding collectors items, if a gun can't deal with rough handling its not even worth looking at.
@@grumpyguardsman6161 Exactly. Just watch Rob Ski deliberately and repeatedly drop guns on a block of concrete to see if they retain zero. It was him doing that to test RS regulate mounts that convinced me they are excellent.
@@hauptmanndosman yup, people need to get it that there is a difference between abuse and use. These are hunks of metal and polymer that contain explosions and hurl metal, if they can't handle a drop, whats the point. And thats not the same as bashing it against a rock till it breaks.
Karl! I'm a firearms enthusiast, I also study Russian. The way Russians pronounce their 'O' s it changes on grammar, but words like Obrez "Обрез" You should pronounce it "Ah- brezz" or most like Russian with an accent "Ah- bryezz" . I really enjoy both you, and Ian's work. You guys are easily my heroes! I particularly take notice of your attire in videos, Karl. Keep up the great work guys!
In my AUG I keep a battery for red dot, cleaning kit, tools for removing and installing red dot and a brush. There is a space in the stock for this stuff. It keeps me form ever forgetting to bring the stuff with me. It is helpful from my point of view.
Part of the match gear worn would be surplus SEAL wetsuits under the webbing. It would be funny if at the end of a video ian or karl in they're matching wetsuits says "well I'm off to Gala tonight! " and sheds the wetsuit to reveal a clean tuxedo. P.s. gods, this started to feel like I was writing an inrange fanfiction
The reason you can't find proper LBE holsters and stuff for historic US Military pistols is because, for the most part, you were expected to use the M7/M9 shoulder holster. We still used those as our issue holster in the Cavalry and Armor at least until 2004. It really only changed following the 9/11 attack and the Iraq War. I don't know if you would even be allowed to use such a holster in a match even though, unlike other shoulder holsters, it does keep the weapon pointed relatively inside the 180.
Please film a walk of the Reno Benteen battle site at the little Big Horn, if you do a tour this year. So many people don't know about the Reno hill fight. You would do a Great Service for people who are interested in American Indian war History. I Love the Channel keep up the Good work.
Use of the storage compartment of an AR grip: i keep a shrunk down copy of my NFA paperwork in it so i cannot forget it when i go to the range because theres a copy IN the gun
For the single firearm manufacturer, what about Beretta? I personally see them as the "jack of all trades." They don't make the "best" in every category, but they have a quality product in most.
There is a link between two of your questions. The tour of the greasy grass/Little Big Horn and the gatling gun. Custer made the tactical decision to leave his gatling guns behind because they slowed the column down.
The question about if you could only choose one firearm manufacturer was interesting. While I considered FN, my initial thoughts were Ruger or Beretta. Everything you need with the exception of full military firearms (LMG, HMG, SAW, pick the acronym de jour).
The Laugo Alien pistol is an interesting example regarding fixed optic mounts on handguns while still having a mostly traditional slide. It's also a gas delayed fixed barrel.
For me at least, to abuse a firearm needlessly is disrespectful. I treat all firearms with respect, lest I become complacent to their power. that is one man's opinion and viewpoint, to each his own and there is nothing wrong with that.
Thank you for this conversation. We have had our disagreements before (the original Desert Tech MDR review) I thought you were not harsh enough, and thankfully I was wrong. Back to what I was really commenting on, firearms are for the most part tools. Unfortunately many people don't see it that way. For full discourser, I do have a few safe queens, and I like M&Ps over Glocks but mostly I like practical firearms. Keep up the good work.
I was for 20 years an aircraft loadmaster in USAF and have hauled a large number of troops carrying weapons. Being interested in all types of firearms I would notice what they had with them. Their weapons would always be clean but you could tell they were used as a tool. Scratches and wear marks were common.
There's a trick to the m1a/m14 M14 mag insert: 1. Straight in 2. Rock forward 3. Rock back (click) The main thing is to get GI issue mags. Stamped mags just don't work.
47:22 In respect to troops throwing guns in the mud. In Florida phase of ranger school. Moving through the swamps, hungry, exhausted, days with no sleep, and machine gunners not being able to have slings in the swamps for safety reasons. I watched young infantry officers use their 249s and 240s as depth gauges/walking sticks. Some would throw their gun ahead of them to get over cypress roots then dig it out when they got to it. The look of panic when they didn’t immediately find it was pretty entertaining. Poor rifle treatment is the norm even in the US military, one of the best trained and equipped militaries in the world. Working with Middle eastern militaries and police units. Watching them use 249s and m16s as leaning post. Muzzle down or sitting on the muzzle....
Nick Rhine hahaha I laughed so hard at that. I was a SL during a swamp movement (automatic no go of course). After watching guys throw their saws in the swamp for 4 hours I got in a pissing match with the PSG about having to do weapons wpns maintenance if he wanted anything belt fed to work for his ambush.
One thing I do on basically all my rifles with space for storage is stuffing a pair or two of ear plugs so I always have them with me on the range or wherever.
With regards to captured weapons, even on The Great War after-action reports would often consist of X prisoners, Y machineguns and Z artillery pieces captured, so repurposing enemy materiel was definitely as important as taking soldiers out of the fight.
Weapons captured is a bit different to picking one up in combat and using it straight away though. And as they point out, you're going to want to capture heavier weapons, not rifles. If you capture a storehouse full of rifles it might be different, but just grabbing the one doesn't seem worth the effort.
The lead question was a good one and something I thought of recently. What about the dirt? The ground that gets satiated with bullet fragments on ranges and subsequent erosion into the soil must do something to the dirt out there. At your local shootings the berm appears to be way off in the distance, but I suppose those could be quite toxic when near/in contact? An ancient (Roman period through 1960's) military training ground in the middle of town at my hometown was turned into a park in the 90's and had to be thoroughly sanitized because of the high lead poisoning of the of the ground. I assume match-grounds and ranges share similar dangers.
It was a little surprising neither one at least considered them. Bren/Scorpion/P10 would cover all the "interchangeable" modern guns, and you've still got a whole catalogue of hammer fired pistols, bolt action rifles, even shotguns.
To the last point: during my conscript service i was roped down a 40m overhanging drop passively with my pack one my back and my AUG over my right shoulder. And because the guy who did the rope work was bored and annoyed by the number of people he had to bring down, he let go of the rope and i covered the distance in 3 steps (stops). At the first "stop" i was thrown into the rock wall, and between me and the rock was the rifle. As was at the second "stop". And the last stop was when i "detonated"on the ground. Thankfully my big pack damped that, but the rifle still hit the ground with me. (he didn't let go fully from step 2 to three, but enough to feel like falling down from 2 meters height straight on the ground) The gun was dusty from that, but as it was at least 20 years in service you couldn't tell if there was any additional scratch. It still worked fine.
For the one manufacturer question, I would submit Ruger. While no one of their lines is the best in my opinion, except the Blackhawk, they make a very good example of every type of firearm. AR, hunting bolt gun, precision rifle, 1911 copy, polymer concealed, etc
Small Arms Solutions has a video titled “why I hate the m14” and he goes into the quality control that Ian mentions, as well as a lot of the politics involved. Highly recommend if you haven’t seen it.
An inch of barrel on a pistol can be the difference between a hollow point expanding and not expanding. Having said that, the way the Boberg buys you that extra inch adds a lot of complexity and potential issues which by definition is likely to affect reliability. An unreliable self defense gun is worthless to me.
The Bond Arms version is as reliable as any other semi-auto pistol. The gun is slightly more complex, but a lot of folks seem to feel the need to make hyperbolic exaggerations of its complexity. It has a cartridge puller and a lifter, and yes, that may be more intricate than a Glock. It pales next to what's going on in an HK P7 though, yet the P7 still considered a reliable pistol (it also reliably gets hot after a few mags, but that's a different issue).
@@ostiariusalpha While that may be true, the possibility for the bullet to jump the crimp is there and very real. For those unfamiliar, a bullet jumping the crimp is when the bullet separates from the case, and the boberg's design makes that more likely due to the round being pulled backward out of the mag under while under recoil. In fact, boberg/bond provides an approved list of brands you can shoot in their gun.
@@jayzenitram9621 No, it really is only garbage ammo that does that. Seriously, Bond Arms got rid of the approved list, and now they just say don't use Blazer Brass and BrassMaxx. If the 9mm cartridge has a bad enough taper crimp that you get bullet separation in the BA Bullpup, it's very likely going to give you bullet setback when it hits the feed ramp on a conventional pistol. Just stop using bottom of the barrel ammo, people.
Another thought on throwing rifles. It makes me think of motorcycling. When you watch pros or first start you're amazed by how much they can lean into turns and by how much grip the tires have. When you've recovered from back end slippage a couple times or gotten a really good lean in you stop kinda thinking about it. We see you throw them and we're thinking about if that's gonna hurt and get that reflexive 'dropped my phone' cringe. But you've slammed the barrel in car doors or some crap like that so its just, "what, oh yeah it's fine."
I've also had a situation where a .22 went off when I dropped it off a table. Rimfire is more prone to going off. Same scenario, more just pops and scares the shit out of you. But something I've been aware of since.
I was thinking S&W myself. They have are fair amount of police acceptance and I'd put the m&p rifle/9mm up against sig for sure. Maybe they're a half step back from FN or H&K but maybe not.
Hi from the UK. If you did a Battle of Little Bighorn special I would watch and share it for sure. Those old west stories you do are great content. Keep up the great work guys.
If I supported every channel I love I would be homeless LOL. but seriously, not to be "patronizing" (tongue firmly planted in cheek) and thankfully blessed with a vanishing creature called "critical thought" I just cant recall ever disagreeing with your moral ethos, your meticulous curation of research and subject matter, and the dorky humor... long live FW and IR TV
For the levergun question I find it odd that both Ian and Karl forgot about the 1892 Winchester or tried to make an argument that the 1894 in 30-30 would make a nice “intermediate” cartridge for the time.
I'm not sure why you guys completely snubbed or just forgot about Ruger. I could understand not picking them but not at least mentioning a company like Ruger seems like a huge oversight.
@@meatatarian212 Curated, but not necessarily deliberated on at length. You can often see that their answers are off the cuff as the question is asked.
I thought ruger, barrett, and remington were all strong contenders. barrett mainly as an honorable mention. if you look at the military only offerings from remington there's actually some cool guns.
@@littlepolarbears Well Barrett only makes one type of firearm, and it's fairly useless from their perspective, Remington makes nothing but garbage. It's not necessarily bad design but horrible quality control, to the point where their firearms mey not even be safe.
The TOZ-81, while not a production revolver, was a top break chambered in 5.45x39 so material strength has caught up for modern top breaks. I think its more of the side swing is more prevalent because thats what people want.
I remember the thing that pissed me off the most from a shot show was rob pincus' pistol. He got really pissy at people asking when it was coming to stores while they were just wondering as it had been 3 years. Now I laugh my ass off as I hold my new glock 48 and know that there is a good chance his pistol now isn't coming out. Good content keep it coming guys!
They also own Dan Wesson, so there's revolvers and 1911, they also have shotguns although I think someone else makes those for them. Now with P10 they make just about everything.
I know about the fistcuff. A small dutch firearm magazine at shot show have amusedly reported about some blokes involved in a punchup in a strip club .... it so appears that the las vegas finest were looking for them at Shot ...
I like the idea of a 1 gun ACM, especially for a historic aspect/cosplay if you want to run around in a WWI or WWII setup. Really the only large groups that come to mind where a standard issue rifle and pistol makes sense as a basic loadout is US WWII Paratrooper, German WWII Fallschirmjäger, and Vietnam War US Army Infantry, Air Cavalry and Marine infantry. I know there are a few others excluding Special Operations groups and modern infantry, but those were the only ones that came to mind right away.
One manufacturer to buy everything from? Beretta is a good bet. The oldest still existing manufacturer, though most known for their handguns ( M 92 ) and shotguns. Beretta also produce the AR70/90 and ARX 160 as well as submachine guns like the Model 38 and M12 (in addition to the Benelli line of shotguns ). The first firearm that got me really interested was from my second job at K mart, a return from a customer, sent to Beretta for repair and relisted Beretta 1200 semi-auto shotgun. That gun sat in the safe in its box with its international air mail stamp and its customs dec in our book, without being displayed or really being offered for sale for over five years. Till one day the sporting goods manager convinced someone to take it at a discount that he was never willing to offer to me.
Combat pistols are relatively insignificant. Rifle only matches would be great. I used to be a combat medic and I still didn’t get a pistol on deployment.
1:00:55 for the non-reciprocating pistol red dot mount, maybe look into how the MCM Margolin does it. It's a old Russian .22LR design. It was developed for 25m olympic pistol shooting (in ISSF terms, it's the SP30+30). At the rear sight, there is a "bridge" going along both sides the slide, connected at the top (where the traditional iron rear sight is mounted)
Another factor for mag style that most rock and locks need incredibly robust locking surfaces. As we've found, cheap, light PMAGs for that style of seating are fragile. Circle 10s are really dang pricey compared to an $8 PMAG.
As an American citizen, Ruger would give me the most options in terms of different weapon types. I love HK but half of their catalog is not available to me and never will be so why would I even concern myself with their SMGs, MGs, and unavailable assault rifles?
My car's a tool; I'm going to hit potholes and it's largely designed to withstand that. I still try to avoid hitting them though. Intentionally throwing a gun on the ground doesn't *offend* me, but it is an unnecessary range theatric in my mind.
The Hi Standard Supermatic Citation had a fixed rear sight and it is great for regaining sight picture very fast but it is difficult to operate the slide.
Regarding dropping guns on the ground it might be a psychological reaction based on estimated monetary value. There is nothing I own worth more than $200 (including my cars) that if drop it on the ground from several feet I won't be worried it's broken. All the things I own that I am comfortable dropping like that are cheap and easily replaced like screwdrivers and footballs. I am sure there are things people can point out with such durability and high cost, but I don't knowingly own any. I am sure there are production automobiles that can take that abuse but mine are relatively old and high mileage so I don't have that much faith in them. I'm also not there yet with my guns despite (or perhaps because of) my having bought them new and knowing they are in good condition. Perhaps consideration of your comments will get me past that mental block.
As for one manufacturer to provide all guns, I gotta choose Beretta. Great pistols, good rifles, okayish shotguns, and even submachineguns if you’d like.
With regards to that top-break revolver question, the only other modern one I've heard of is the MP-412 Rex, which was designed in the 90's but never went into production likely due to the import ban on Russian firearms at the time. Was to be loaded for .357/.38 Special.
I accidentally stumbled across the little big horn on a cross country road trip. Was only able to stop for a couple hours, but it is a really well preserved and maintained national monument. The National Parks Service did a phenomenal job. Definitely worth a visit.
A comment on shots going off accidentally. Way back when I was in the army, we were cleaning up after an exercise where we had been firing blanks (the red plastic ones). We collected the spent cartridges, and burned them like a bonfire, getting rid of the trash and getting some warmth sitting around it. (Because back in the day burning plastic was good for the enviroment...) Sometimes, there would be a few cartridges where the primer was not detonated, because some joker had harvested the gunpowder for personal use. These would, as you descripe, make neat pops in the fire. Once, however, one such blank came flying out of the fire, hitting one of my mates on the thigh. He was wearing regular army trousers, but even so there was a circular bruise left on his tigh, matching the butt of the blank, and even a drop of blood from the skin being broken. I guess it could potentially have been lethal had it hit an eye...
If you want a manufacturer that makes something for every class of weapon, wouldn't Beretta be a good choice? They make pretty much everything, shotguns, handguns, rifles, etc.
Im not a crazy CZ fan boy, but that would probably be my 1 company. They make everything from shotguns to small handguns to large to semi auto rifles to hunting rifles.
Guest starring cactus
And a bobcat photobombing Karl and ian.
With intro by Private Plane
Cameo appearance by Mr. Cat, Esq.
LOL and Sharpie on rock
modern art
-"Franklin Armory: Our Feelings Get Hurt Easily"-
-"Franklin Armory: Our Employees are Incompetent"-
"Franklin Armory: It Can't Be Our Fault"
This (the Franklin Armory situation) now makes a lot more sense.
It reminds me when I was living abroad and someone added me on Twitter, and in their language I tried to write "thanks for adding me, but I can't talk to you well because of the language" but due to my error I actually wrote "thanks but I will never talk to you." .. she reacted poorly. luckily a friend helped me explain my mistake, but our relationship was never a good one because it started off on a bad foot. The Franklin case is way worse, but it's definitely a situation where it's just too far gone to ever be right.
M92 QUAD stupidity at its best
@@m92quad55 just say "I dislike Jews" if that's what you mean.
Karl- We don't know why we get hate mail and backlash from the pro-gun community.
Ian- Bolt guns are obsolete.
The Gun Community- REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
That cat wandering past at the start is huge.
Maybe a cougar?
30lb cat.... What are they feeding that thing?
Bobcat.
Not Bobcat, the tail was long and no face tufts, but that was a *huge* cat!!😅
That was a mountain lion
in regards the the inch of pistol barrel length, I think Paul would put it best: "does that 1 inch make 'A' difference? definitely. Does it make 'THE' difference? you decide "
Is it enough of a difference to make a difference
I think there's a good argument for Ruger as a single manufacturer as a single company for modern weapons you might want. Not as nice as your FN or your HK or SIG. But they do offer a variety of firearms that are good value with reasonable quality.
I'd just like to 'Echo' the positive anti gun feedback. As a Brit I decided to try and better understand the US relationship with firearms and this channel has really helped (as has FW). I honestly would now think I'd join a club an look to enter 2gac if I found myself living in the states. Good job guys.
Owen Bolding cant you shoot ispc in the UK as well?
@@petrl9838 I don't know if there are any events in Britain. It would be _deeply_ unpopular with the press, and you'd have to work around the prohibited categories of guns. You could maybe do a two-gun with a rifle and shotgun if you didn't mind bolt or lever action for the rifle.
"Is is because you're liars". I lost it at when you said that!
Having owned an M14, I had certain expectations when someone offered to let me try their Mini 14. I was SHOCKED when the magazine went in smoothly and intuitively - I had to repeat the process to make sure it wasn't a fluke! Jim Sullivan worked his magic there for sure.
Good on y'all for being honest about insulting them and apologizing about it. That is some moral backbone and honesty!
I definitely want to see that M1 vs M14
That sounds interesting as all hell
Brandon Westfall agreed
Bloke On The Range has done stuff on the Garand side that should fill in enough of the gaps to let you draw your own conclusions. Unfortunately the pertinent bits of info are spread throughout several video.
Q&A feat. Large Cactus
That's a small cactus.
When you say cactus you are talking about Ians stache right?
Karl and the Boberg's angry inch.
My one manufacturer would be CZ.
love my cz40b and bren s1, just wish I was rich so I could add an evo
Same. A P01 and 805 would be a very nice loadout.
Same here. Definitely CZ
Absolutely, a huge oversight -- the CZ P-10C is, at least for me, the best out-of-the-box, ~$500 polymer gun on the market; the Scorpion has *made* the contemporary PCC market; the GIGN, who were working with H&K 416s just switched to the Bren 2; and CZ has a full compliment of long range rifles to boot. If I hadda pick one, I'd pick CZ too.
@@cmaljai The Evo is gettin' down there. I got one for $725 and it was absolutely worth it. The aftermarket support is incredible. About the only original things left on it now are the irons, the bolt, and the receiver.
Paul Harrell has done objective tests that show, in certain calibers, that an extra inch of barrel produces a dramatic improvement.
Cannot state this emphatically enough. He showed sometimes less than an inch of pistol matters.
donate to his new guns fund and ask him to try it?
@@borkwoof696 To be fair he also does chronograph tests that do show a significant increase in bullet speed even with an half inch increase, it`s sometimes between 50-100fps, sometimes even higher, that`s a significant increase if you try to have bullet expansion.
practically does it really matter when it’s a ccp meant to be drawn quickly for self defense at close ranges?
@@aaaneoseeker It does, bullet expansion is key to stopping power for pistol calibres. An increase of muzzle velocity even just by 50fps can mean the difference between full expansion and no/lackluster expansion. Especially with calibres like 38 special, 380acp or 9mm which are highly dependent on velocity to reach adequat expansion having 1/2 - 1 longer barrel drastically increases your chances of ideal expansion. This doesn`t mean that a "bullpup" pistol is the ideal choice, if you can just get a pistol or revolver with a longer barrel. But for a highly concealable pistol, this might be a good work-around, if the technology works that is.
Franklin Armory guys sound like so many self-important corporate blowhards I have met in my life, I no longer have the time to bother.
You guys missed Ruger in your "One Company" list. They make pistols, revolvers, hunting guns, longrange guns, AR's in both 223 and 308.
If they made a 30-30 lever gun, then they'd be the perfect choice. Not shaming ar's, love both
They almost never mention S&W either... they still make a bunch of older designs, but they have the whole M&P line as well.
That's a good point. I had the same problem coming up with a single american company but knew there was one. Seeing your post reminded me it was Ruger. They have made shotguns too which kind of makes them a one stop shop.
Was thinking the same!
@@moosemaimer was thinking s&w also M&P 15 + 9 = good to go
I believe the reason so many struggle with the magazine change on the M14/M1A/Mini-14 is that they think of it as a rock-n-lock like the ak when it is acctually more of a straight in rock back design. Ur not supposed to hook the magazine on the front catch but push it past it. The front catch on the M14/M1A is the back of the recoil spring guide rod and will move forward out of the way when a magazine is pushed in. This allows you to incert the magazine in at a slight forward angle untill it clicks past the front catch. Then you rock it to the back to fully lock it into the gun. The Mini-14 is similar in how you incert the magazine except that the front catch is milled into the reciever. But is designdd so the magazine will pop past it when incerted properly. Biggest issue with this system is if you dont know how to use it its way to easy to muck it up and get the magazine locked in while missing the front catch. Wich can be s real pain to then get the mag back out.
MP-412 REX revolver. Never entered full production
It only exists now in mods to obscure Slavic video games. Like S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
But seriously has Ian done a video on it yet?
@@aaaneoseeker And battlefield? Confused here, not gonna lie.
oh sorry. I meant the revolver, not weird slavic games lol.@@SgtKOnyx
@@aaaneoseeker me too?
Love how butt hurt people get over a gun being handled roughly. As a former infantryman, excluding collectors items, if a gun can't deal with rough handling its not even worth looking at.
Truth,
Combat Marine veteran.
I resold firearms fast, as possible. If I felt it was unreliable.
Is this about the famas?
@@usraider2244 not specifically, it;'s about the last comment complaining that they don't give weapons tender loving care.
@@grumpyguardsman6161 Exactly. Just watch Rob Ski deliberately and repeatedly drop guns on a block of concrete to see if they retain zero. It was him doing that to test RS regulate mounts that convinced me they are excellent.
@@hauptmanndosman yup, people need to get it that there is a difference between abuse and use. These are hunks of metal and polymer that contain explosions and hurl metal, if they can't handle a drop, whats the point. And thats not the same as bashing it against a rock till it breaks.
Karl! I'm a firearms enthusiast, I also study Russian. The way Russians pronounce their 'O' s it changes on grammar, but words like Obrez "Обрез" You should pronounce it "Ah- brezz" or most like Russian with an accent "Ah- bryezz" . I really enjoy both you, and Ian's work. You guys are easily my heroes! I particularly take notice of your attire in videos, Karl. Keep up the great work guys!
In my AUG I keep a battery for red dot, cleaning kit, tools for removing and installing red dot and a brush. There is a space in the stock for this stuff. It keeps me form ever forgetting to bring the stuff with me. It is helpful from my point of view.
New match idea,
“Muddier then hell.”
Tough Mudder biathlon?
"Ypres in Arizona"
"muddier than hell" or "muddier, and then, hell"??
As a Minnesotan, I want to see Snow Hell. Sub zero temperatures and ten feet of snow.
Part of the match gear worn would be surplus SEAL wetsuits under the webbing. It would be funny if at the end of a video ian or karl in they're matching wetsuits says "well I'm off to Gala tonight! " and sheds the wetsuit to reveal a clean tuxedo.
P.s. gods, this started to feel like I was writing an inrange fanfiction
The reason you can't find proper LBE holsters and stuff for historic US Military pistols is because, for the most part, you were expected to use the M7/M9 shoulder holster. We still used those as our issue holster in the Cavalry and Armor at least until 2004. It really only changed following the 9/11 attack and the Iraq War. I don't know if you would even be allowed to use such a holster in a match even though, unlike other shoulder holsters, it does keep the weapon pointed relatively inside the 180.
Please film a walk of the Reno Benteen battle site at the little Big Horn, if you do a tour this year. So many people don't know about the Reno hill fight. You would do a Great Service for people who are interested in American Indian war History. I Love the Channel keep up the Good work.
Yeah, but they aren't HK...
Beretta and CZ would also be decent options for the one manufacturer
Use of the storage compartment of an AR grip: i keep a shrunk down copy of my NFA paperwork in it so i cannot forget it when i go to the range because theres a copy IN the gun
For the single firearm manufacturer, what about Beretta? I personally see them as the "jack of all trades." They don't make the "best" in every category, but they have a quality product in most.
Too true!
There is a link between two of your questions. The tour of the greasy grass/Little Big Horn and the gatling gun. Custer made the tactical decision to leave his gatling guns behind because they slowed the column down.
The question about if you could only choose one firearm manufacturer was interesting. While I considered FN, my initial thoughts were Ruger or Beretta. Everything you need with the exception of full military firearms (LMG, HMG, SAW, pick the acronym de jour).
The Laugo Alien pistol is an interesting example regarding fixed optic mounts on handguns while still having a mostly traditional slide. It's also a gas delayed fixed barrel.
For me at least, to abuse a firearm needlessly is disrespectful. I treat all firearms with respect, lest I become complacent to their power. that is one man's opinion and viewpoint, to each his own and there is nothing wrong with that.
Izmech (sp) did set up to make a top break .357 some years back. The export options died with trade restrictions.
Only one gun company. Beretta without a doubt. Shotguns, rifles, pistols and revolvers.
With 500+ years of manufacturing on them, one can't go wrong with Beretta.
Thank you for this conversation. We have had our disagreements before (the original Desert Tech MDR review) I thought you were not harsh enough, and thankfully I was wrong. Back to what I was really commenting on, firearms are for the most part tools. Unfortunately many people don't see it that way. For full discourser, I do have a few safe queens, and I like M&Ps over Glocks but mostly I like practical firearms. Keep up the good work.
I was for 20 years an aircraft loadmaster in USAF and have hauled a large number of troops carrying weapons. Being interested in all types of firearms I would notice what they had with them. Their weapons would always be clean but you could tell they were used as a tool. Scratches and wear marks were common.
Interesting, as always, I would really like to see you two do the Little Big Horn as part of your Western History shows.
There's a trick to the m1a/m14
M14 mag insert:
1. Straight in
2. Rock forward
3. Rock back (click)
The main thing is to get GI issue mags. Stamped mags just don't work.
47:22 In respect to troops throwing guns in the mud. In Florida phase of ranger school. Moving through the swamps, hungry, exhausted, days with no sleep, and machine gunners not being able to have slings in the swamps for safety reasons. I watched young infantry officers use their 249s and 240s as depth gauges/walking sticks. Some would throw their gun ahead of them to get over cypress roots then dig it out when they got to it. The look of panic when they didn’t immediately find it was pretty entertaining.
Poor rifle treatment is the norm even in the US military, one of the best trained and equipped militaries in the world.
Working with Middle eastern militaries and police units. Watching them use 249s and m16s as leaning post. Muzzle down or sitting on the muzzle....
Kyle guilty as charged, 2x over as a Florida phase recycle lol
Nick Rhine ouch sorry bro. You know what they say. Your not a real ranger unless you’ve done 4 phases ;)
Kyle WSLs after the swamp movements “wHy CaNt I tAlK tHe GuNs?!?!”
As the AG is pulling swamp slime out of the gun
Nick Rhine hahaha I laughed so hard at that. I was a SL during a swamp movement (automatic no go of course). After watching guys throw their saws in the swamp for 4 hours I got in a pissing match with the PSG about having to do weapons wpns maintenance if he wanted anything belt fed to work for his ambush.
One thing I do on basically all my rifles with space for storage is stuffing a pair or two of ear plugs so I always have them with me on the range or wherever.
With regards to captured weapons, even on The Great War after-action reports would often consist of X prisoners, Y machineguns and Z artillery pieces captured, so repurposing enemy materiel was definitely as important as taking soldiers out of the fight.
Weapons captured is a bit different to picking one up in combat and using it straight away though. And as they point out, you're going to want to capture heavier weapons, not rifles. If you capture a storehouse full of rifles it might be different, but just grabbing the one doesn't seem worth the effort.
The lead question was a good one and something I thought of recently. What about the dirt? The ground that gets satiated with bullet fragments on ranges and subsequent erosion into the soil must do something to the dirt out there. At your local shootings the berm appears to be way off in the distance, but I suppose those could be quite toxic when near/in contact?
An ancient (Roman period through 1960's) military training ground in the middle of town at my hometown was turned into a park in the 90's and had to be thoroughly sanitized because of the high lead poisoning of the of the ground. I assume match-grounds and ranges share similar dangers.
Best all round brand to only buy from=CZ
I was just about to say that. You have good taste me friend
It was a little surprising neither one at least considered them. Bren/Scorpion/P10 would cover all the "interchangeable" modern guns, and you've still got a whole catalogue of hammer fired pistols, bolt action rifles, even shotguns.
@@Slippils heck, you even get revolvers if you count Dan Wesson.
Beretta?
Considering how light the Bren 2 is, you'd think it would be their number 1
I can't wait to see the DB 2019 videos :)
To the last point: during my conscript service i was roped down a 40m overhanging drop passively with my pack one my back and my AUG over my right shoulder. And because the guy who did the rope work was bored and annoyed by the number of people he had to bring down, he let go of the rope and i covered the distance in 3 steps (stops). At the first "stop" i was thrown into the rock wall, and between me and the rock was the rifle.
As was at the second "stop". And the last stop was when i "detonated"on the ground. Thankfully my big pack damped that, but the rifle still hit the ground with me. (he didn't let go fully from step 2 to three, but enough to feel like falling down from 2 meters height straight on the ground) The gun was dusty from that, but as it was at least 20 years in service you couldn't tell if there was any additional scratch. It still worked fine.
For the one manufacturer question, I would submit Ruger. While no one of their lines is the best in my opinion, except the Blackhawk, they make a very good example of every type of firearm. AR, hunting bolt gun, precision rifle, 1911 copy, polymer concealed, etc
Small Arms Solutions has a video titled “why I hate the m14” and he goes into the quality control that Ian mentions, as well as a lot of the politics involved. Highly recommend if you haven’t seen it.
An inch of barrel on a pistol can be the difference between a hollow point expanding and not expanding. Having said that, the way the Boberg buys you that extra inch adds a lot of complexity and potential issues which by definition is likely to affect reliability. An unreliable self defense gun is worthless to me.
The Bond Arms version is as reliable as any other semi-auto pistol. The gun is slightly more complex, but a lot of folks seem to feel the need to make hyperbolic exaggerations of its complexity. It has a cartridge puller and a lifter, and yes, that may be more intricate than a Glock. It pales next to what's going on in an HK P7 though, yet the P7 still considered a reliable pistol (it also reliably gets hot after a few mags, but that's a different issue).
@@ostiariusalpha While that may be true, the possibility for the bullet to jump the crimp is there and very real. For those unfamiliar, a bullet jumping the crimp is when the bullet separates from the case, and the boberg's design makes that more likely due to the round being pulled backward out of the mag under while under recoil. In fact, boberg/bond provides an approved list of brands you can shoot in their gun.
@@jayzenitram9621 No, it really is only garbage ammo that does that. Seriously, Bond Arms got rid of the approved list, and now they just say don't use Blazer Brass and BrassMaxx. If the 9mm cartridge has a bad enough taper crimp that you get bullet separation in the BA Bullpup, it's very likely going to give you bullet setback when it hits the feed ramp on a conventional pistol. Just stop using bottom of the barrel ammo, people.
Ruger for one manufacturer, my first thought; Remington was my second. HK came third, followed by CZ.
Another thought on throwing rifles. It makes me think of motorcycling. When you watch pros or first start you're amazed by how much they can lean into turns and by how much grip the tires have. When you've recovered from back end slippage a couple times or gotten a really good lean in you stop kinda thinking about it.
We see you throw them and we're thinking about if that's gonna hurt and get that reflexive 'dropped my phone' cringe. But you've slammed the barrel in car doors or some crap like that so its just, "what, oh yeah it's fine."
I've also had a situation where a .22 went off when I dropped it off a table. Rimfire is more prone to going off. Same scenario, more just pops and scares the shit out of you. But something I've been aware of since.
Why didn't they think of Ruger as an American arms company. You could totally depend on anything they make
I have bought 2 rugers and both had factory defects
@@fungunsforu disgruntled employees, their everywhere lol
Ruger and HK and FN are in completely different fields.
Ruger is not a legitimate competitor to either.
The way they manufacture lends to high production so I think they are
I was thinking S&W myself. They have are fair amount of police acceptance and I'd put the m&p rifle/9mm up against sig for sure. Maybe they're a half step back from FN or H&K but maybe not.
Hi from the UK. If you did a Battle of Little Bighorn special I would watch and share it for sure. Those old west stories you do are great content. Keep up the great work guys.
Oh boy, 21st century Steyr Hahn style pistols with red dots. Yes please!
Bloke On The Range shows how fast the Garand can be reloaded in one of his videos. It's definitely feasible IMO.
From a Canadian perspective, dropping guns like AKMs hurts because we can only dream about having them.
If I supported every channel I love I would be homeless LOL. but seriously, not to be "patronizing" (tongue firmly planted in cheek) and thankfully blessed with a vanishing creature called "critical thought" I just cant recall ever disagreeing with your moral ethos, your meticulous curation of research and subject matter, and the dorky humor... long live FW and IR TV
For the levergun question I find it odd that both Ian and Karl forgot about the 1892 Winchester or tried to make an argument that the 1894 in 30-30 would make a nice “intermediate” cartridge for the time.
I'm not sure why you guys completely snubbed or just forgot about Ruger. I could understand not picking them but not at least mentioning a company like Ruger seems like a huge oversight.
It's easy to make an oversight when answering on the spot.
@@MarvinCZ They don't answer on the spot, the questions are curated like Karl said.
@@meatatarian212 Curated, but not necessarily deliberated on at length. You can often see that their answers are off the cuff as the question is asked.
I thought ruger, barrett, and remington were all strong contenders. barrett mainly as an honorable mention. if you look at the military only offerings from remington there's actually some cool guns.
@@littlepolarbears Well Barrett only makes one type of firearm, and it's fairly useless from their perspective, Remington makes nothing but garbage. It's not necessarily bad design but horrible quality control, to the point where their firearms mey not even be safe.
The TOZ-81, while not a production revolver, was a top break chambered in 5.45x39 so material strength has caught up for modern top breaks. I think its more of the side swing is more prevalent because thats what people want.
I remember the thing that pissed me off the most from a shot show was rob pincus' pistol. He got really pissy at people asking when it was coming to stores while they were just wondering as it had been 3 years. Now I laugh my ass off as I hold my new glock 48 and know that there is a good chance his pistol now isn't coming out. Good content keep it coming guys!
Only one manufacturer= CZ pistol 75 varient, rifle Bren 2S
and add CZ527 for a nice Bolt Gun.
They also own Dan Wesson, so there's revolvers and 1911, they also have shotguns although I think someone else makes those for them. Now with P10 they make just about everything.
There is already a fixed sights/optic pistol developed, the Luago Arms Alien
When Ian says your name and immediately causes Karl to facepalm....
I know about the fistcuff. A small dutch firearm magazine at shot show have amusedly reported about some blokes involved in a punchup in a strip club .... it so appears that the las vegas finest were looking for them at Shot ...
I like the idea of a 1 gun ACM, especially for a historic aspect/cosplay if you want to run around in a WWI or WWII setup. Really the only large groups that come to mind where a standard issue rifle and pistol makes sense as a basic loadout is US WWII Paratrooper, German WWII Fallschirmjäger, and Vietnam War US Army Infantry, Air Cavalry and Marine infantry. I know there are a few others excluding Special Operations groups and modern infantry, but those were the only ones that came to mind right away.
One manufacturer to buy everything from? Beretta is a good bet. The oldest still existing manufacturer, though most known for their handguns ( M 92 ) and shotguns. Beretta also produce the AR70/90 and ARX 160 as well as submachine guns like the Model 38 and M12 (in addition to the Benelli line of shotguns ).
The first firearm that got me really interested was from my second job at K mart, a return from a customer, sent to Beretta for repair and relisted Beretta 1200 semi-auto shotgun. That gun sat in the safe in its box with its international air mail stamp and its customs dec in our book, without being displayed or really being offered for sale for over five years. Till one day the sporting goods manager convinced someone to take it at a discount that he was never willing to offer to me.
How could you tall about H&K, and not mention the MP7 ?
Is the bobcat at the beginning at 0:10 of the video behind Karl just completely normal is Arizona? I didn't see any comments about it lol!
Certainly an inch would make a difference, but would it be enough of a difference to make a difference? You be the judge.
Why did the Mauser 06/08 and the 9x23 or 9mm export not go anywhere? Seems pretty awesome
That would make a great video to match the ROF between an M1 and an M14. You pros could probably surpass the M14 with the Garand
if you do 1gacm don't restrict the gun to just "rifle" or "pistol"
I keep a couple pair of ear plugs in my AR pistol grip. Best use I’ve found. I’m case I forget them.
What, is there a pic of the Ak/Mosin thing?
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@@ForgottenWeapons wtf, nice thank you
Concerning the rough handling of weapons :
Have you guys ever seen a pristine K31... ? Yeah, thought so. Me neither and I live in Switzerland
Combat pistols are relatively insignificant. Rifle only matches would be great. I used to be a combat medic and I still didn’t get a pistol on deployment.
I would choose CZ. I could get pistols, modern rifles, shotguns, and bolt actions.
Thanks guys! Enjoyed the session, as always :)
1:00:55 for the non-reciprocating pistol red dot mount, maybe look into how the MCM Margolin does it. It's a old Russian .22LR design. It was developed for 25m olympic pistol shooting (in ISSF terms, it's the SP30+30). At the rear sight, there is a "bridge" going along both sides the slide, connected at the top (where the traditional iron rear sight is mounted)
It made me think of the Desert Eagle, fixed barrel with a Pic rail and the rest of the slide/breach face reciprocates.
@@sconner5424 True, also not a bad idea
CZ for the win
Another factor for mag style that most rock and locks need incredibly robust locking surfaces. As we've found, cheap, light PMAGs for that style of seating are fragile. Circle 10s are really dang pricey compared to an $8 PMAG.
As an American citizen, Ruger would give me the most options in terms of different weapon types. I love HK but half of their catalog is not available to me and never will be so why would I even concern myself with their SMGs, MGs, and unavailable assault rifles?
Obsolescent!! Everybody drink!
Karl sure drops the O-bombs a lot :D
My car's a tool; I'm going to hit potholes and it's largely designed to withstand that. I still try to avoid hitting them though. Intentionally throwing a gun on the ground doesn't *offend* me, but it is an unnecessary range theatric in my mind.
A better analogy for a combat arm would be off-road vehicles like trophy trucks or rally racers; they certainly don't baby those things.
The Hi Standard Supermatic Citation had a fixed rear sight and it is great for regaining sight picture very fast but it is difficult to operate the slide.
I'd personally go with CZ-USA for the one manufacturer to buy from theysell like everything under the sun
Between my magpul pistol grip and stock I have a bore snake and small bottle of oil. Everything I really need but some scrap cloth to service the gun
Losing your rifle would result in a high level (battalion or higher) Article 15.
I know I'm coming back to this video a bit later to get caught up.... but is that a Sharpie sitting on a cow pie between the two of them?
Regarding dropping guns on the ground it might be a psychological reaction based on estimated monetary value. There is nothing I own worth more than $200 (including my cars) that if drop it on the ground from several feet I won't be worried it's broken. All the things I own that I am comfortable dropping like that are cheap and easily replaced like screwdrivers and footballs. I am sure there are things people can point out with such durability and high cost, but I don't knowingly own any. I am sure there are production automobiles that can take that abuse but mine are relatively old and high mileage so I don't have that much faith in them. I'm also not there yet with my guns despite (or perhaps because of) my having bought them new and knowing they are in good condition. Perhaps consideration of your comments will get me past that mental block.
As for one manufacturer to provide all guns, I gotta choose Beretta. Great pistols, good rifles, okayish shotguns, and even submachineguns if you’d like.
With regards to that top-break revolver question, the only other modern one I've heard of is the MP-412 Rex, which was designed in the 90's but never went into production likely due to the import ban on Russian firearms at the time. Was to be loaded for .357/.38 Special.
And if you're really feeling generous and are willing to include rimfire, then the NAA Ranger and Ranger II are modern top-break revolvers.
Always love listening to these!
I accidentally stumbled across the little big horn on a cross country road trip. Was only able to stop for a couple hours, but it is a really well preserved and maintained national monument. The National Parks Service did a phenomenal job. Definitely worth a visit.
A comment on shots going off accidentally. Way back when I was in the army, we were cleaning up after an exercise where we had been firing blanks (the red plastic ones). We collected the spent cartridges, and burned them like a bonfire, getting rid of the trash and getting some warmth sitting around it. (Because back in the day burning plastic was good for the enviroment...) Sometimes, there would be a few cartridges where the primer was not detonated, because some joker had harvested the gunpowder for personal use. These would, as you descripe, make neat pops in the fire. Once, however, one such blank came flying out of the fire, hitting one of my mates on the thigh. He was wearing regular army trousers, but even so there was a circular bruise left on his tigh, matching the butt of the blank, and even a drop of blood from the skin being broken. I guess it could potentially have been lethal had it hit an eye...
If you want a manufacturer that makes something for every class of weapon, wouldn't Beretta be a good choice? They make pretty much everything, shotguns, handguns, rifles, etc.
Im not a crazy CZ fan boy, but that would probably be my 1 company. They make everything from shotguns to small handguns to large to semi auto rifles to hunting rifles.
Please, do some content with that Mosin Nagant/AK combo gun? I just need to see that thing...
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Forgotten Weapons thank god!
ɪ love when these come out and ɪ get to lay in a hot bath while watching the new one of these beauties.