Hand Tool Restoration - Kraeuter 356-5 1/2 Slip Joint Combination Pliers
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Wire to fiber.
There was no sanding.
Great ‘cause you don’t
Eliminate the branding.
Chuck wants the new Flitz.
And you won’t budge.
You may need to appoint
Mrs. M. as the Judge.
That chrome plating:
It gave you a fit.
The shine from the Flitz
I think, overcame it.
Those pliers look good.
There is no doubt.
I think you took
A very good route.
Thanks for the fun. 🤠
I always look forward to your poems! I make sure I share them with my wife and daughter!
I also hate flaking chrome! It's always a nightmare to deal with. 😃👍
A viewer suggested heating the part and then submerging in cold water to pop off the plating. I may have to try that...
357magdad - that’s an interesting idea! Just proceed delicately (re:”heating”) in case you got a high carbon “hardened steel” (most* pliers utilize these steels, especially useful for the jaws and/or cutting edges) under a chrome plating, because heating the tool (esp the gripping jaws/cutting edges) can and likely will affect the tools deliberate temper ( *IF* it is in fact a hi-carbon steel..)
BUT, the method you (or a viewer?) described seems pretttty similar to heat treating anyways haha! It’s just something to be aware of (sorry if this info is rudimentary to you!) and consider playing around with heat treating (heat-quench-temper) on your tools and in your shop! Can definitely (and *easily* ) be done at home mostly with a torch, especially for smaller tools like pliers and where you only want a specific feature/part deliberately hardened!
Could be an interesting video series too ;) I’m getting ahead of myself! I really enjoy your content btw!
Cheers
@@TylrVncnt I have some videos about a little forge I made and a couple knife making projects using it.
And a health hazard in dust form.
Lovely little pliers!...Indeed!
...Newk from Kentucky
Thanks Newk! I've got a couple Kraeuters and they are quality tools!
Good looking pliers. The fiber wheels work well.
Thanks Robert!
Looks good Daddy!! The lil' pits give it some character!!☺
Thanks RoadKing! The pitting is pretty superficial. The jaws and cutter are in great shape. I think these will become an everyday user for me.
The shine from the fiber wheel is pretty impressive! I would never have guessed the pitting was this deep at first glance. Great video, thanks!!
Thanks Alex! Some of the corrosion worked its way under the plating.
That ol Chuck is such a hoot!
We have ScoutCrafter to thank for Chuck. Chuck became "part of the act" for his birdhouse challenge.
357magdad Now it all makes sense! Because ScoutCrafter is a hoot himself! 🤣
Nice work. Those pliers have a lot of character.
Thanks CHL! Not as much character as Chuck!
Everytime I think I've seen all your videos another one pops up on my feed😂 Nice work Magdad. They have a lot of earned character but they cleaned up well.
Thanks Ivan!
Wow I'm very impressed that you did know hand sanding and yet you made them look not brand new but in a stable condition with a look a lot better than they did I love restoring pliers like that I did a similar video but I did a lot of sanding with a flat disk
Thanks! Normally I would have started off on the belt sander, but I wanted to see what the fiber wheels could do by themselves.
Very good restoration. Given the rust and pitting, this is an excellent job. Based on the grip design, my guesstimate is that the pliers are about 70 years old. Thank you for rescuing these quality Kreauter pliers. They look great and are more pleasant to use.
Thanks Pat! I might make these my every day users!
They look great! Even though the pits were still there.. I like how the rust staining was not ..
Thanks!
Chuck is becoming a bit of a prankster.
Chuck is a pain in the ass, but he's family.
Nice job 👍🏻. I never thought about citric acid. I use the old vinegar and salt trick and it’s slow also. Great video and learned something new as usual. Thank you!!
Oh, tell chuck not to get to excited, that tube is about gone 😃
Thanks Jack! I keep tellin' Chuck to be patient - a little Flitz goes a long way
Another successful restoration. Not much you can do with that much pitting. Nice serviceable pair of pliers now!
Thanks Tom! The jaws and cutter are in great shape! These are going to be everyday users now!
Good job. I think I have a pair just like yours. Not sure about the maker. I will check. They are in some things from my father-in-law. You got me interested. Stay safe and healthy my friend. Thanks
Thanks Glen! Cleaning up old tools is fun!
The pliers cleaned up well. As you said, the markings on the handle are unusual. They look good.
Plating is nice when it holds up, but a pain when it needs to be removed.
The citric acid would have taken off the plating over time, but as others said it would also have consumed some of the metal.
My inexpensive alternative to Evapo-Rust is oxalic acid, also called Wood Bleach. In most hardware stores in the wood finish aisle. Like citric acid, it is slow working. Cheap to make a large volume for larger parts. A few tablespoons in a gallon.
Chuck is really eager to get into the new tub of flitz. LOL
Dave.
Thanks LV! I'll have to look for the oxalic acid.
I agree that type plating is tough. I have been able to remove with the belt sander but it was still difficult. You did the best you could with all the pitting.
Thanks John! I would usually use the belt sander on something like this, but I wanted to see what the fiber wheels could do on their own.
Let's get magdad a couple hundred more subscribers so he can become a UA-cam partner and get paid for his phenomenal content!
I am monetized, but more subscribers would be nice!
I'm amazed how shiny it came out after the first fiber wheel! I inherited a pair of pliers from my MIL's father with that same handle pattern.
You can tell by the sparks that those fiber wheels can be aggressive!
@@357magdad But... so shiny! I thought sanding makes it dull.
@@DavidPlass I've been able to achieve a near mirror finish by sanding down to 800 or 1000 grit and then polishing with Flitz.
Back in service!
They are on my tool rack!
Those Kraeuter's look great! I love the fiber wheel. I had to clean some really carbon coated, chunks on some SBC valves and it took it off no problem and clean!
Thanks Aaron! The fiber wheels should be a good addition to my little shop!
I brought back Needle nose pliers back to life there were rusted shut they're super good now i though you would like to know because you gave me the idea to do it 😜
Saving old rusty tools is fun! If you get a chance, send me some photos of your pliers! I like to see what people are working on!
357mdad@gmail.com
Those pliers look great now, and the fiber wheels have already paid for themselves. It’s too bad about the deep putting, but they still cut nicely!👍
The pliers work great! Kraeuter made quality tools. I think these will be my new everyday users!
Looked good,I think I have some of those pliars. I bet that new tub of Flitz would put some shine to that nice old grinder..I'm sure Chuck approves!;)
Thanks! Kraeuter tools are good quality.
Came out nice.
Thanks RR!
Not to shabby buddy good job!
Thanks Madstiles!
Hi Mag good job , next tool have been brought back to life 👍👌
Thanks! They are a nice pair of pliers!
Those turned out pretty nice. Plated tools can be a real booger.
I usually stay away from the plated stuff, but these little pliers were too cool to pass up!
Definitely a lot better looking, now...... 👍🏻
Thanks Armando! It's a good little pair of pliers!
This is great. I have a plan for a gift for a mechanic friend of mine who has talked about having a pair of "Sunday" pliers with a custom leather sheath. Been trying to find out if I can get a set of pliers extra shiney.
Thanks for watching Max!
Wow those turned out great. I have a Kreuter 5 1/2 that is kind of eaten up with rust like yours was. I will apply some joes shop wire wheel and see if I can get mine a sharp looking as yours.
Give it the wheel Rusty Gun!
Another one rescued great job :-)
Thanks!
I have the same size set love the design on the handles.
Kraeuter made some quality tools!
Nice work!
Thank you!
Nice cleanup. I guess you’re hooked on fiber wheels now, they do a great job!
Thanks Frank! I'm still experimenting with how best to use the fiber wheels.
I just purchased one of these wheels per your recommendations...at first, I saw nothing better about it compared to wire wheel and going through the buffing wheel grits...but after a second try, I think you may have something here...nice option to have available..but it does create heat!
Joe's Shop is the guy who made everyone buy these wheels! I find that I have to wear gloves - the parts do get warm.
I do not know what is wrong. I have been subscribed and had the bell for all new vids on forever, butI am never alerted. Nice looking pliers now - love those fiber wheels!
Thanks Lee! I try to put a video up every Sunday, so keep checking in!
Nice work Mate 👍
Thanks Sparky!
Nice one Magdad. I was wondering about the citric acid and the 320 grit fiber wheel. Thank you for the informative video. Take care. 😃👍🏼
Thanks David!
Nice job mate,as always,why don't you put a buffer wheel at the bench grinder,i think you will have better result with polishing.
My Flitz doesn't like the high speed of the buffing wheel on the grinder.
As usual, nice job!
Thanks B Kind!
Hi Magdad, great video. Be warned, those fibre wheels become addictive after a while. I use them on nearly every job. I have very good results with electrolysis and I have several old tools I want to use to experiment with removing the old plating using it. I’ll let you know how I get on.
Cheers Stuart 🇦🇺
Reversing the electro-plating would be a good experiment!
Very cool!
Thank you!
Looks good .... I am also not a fan of the nickel or chrome plating when it is damaged. Not sure what the downside to stripping it with a sanding belt. I would also worry about airborne metal particles and inhaling them ....no bueno
Normally I would use the belt sander, but I wanted to see what the fiber wheels could do by themselves.
Serious pitting but the jaws and slip joint mechanism look really good........The fiber wheel seems to blend and smooth without taking off much metal.
I was impressed with the sparks coming off of the wheel! I'm still experimenting with how to best use the fiber wheels.
If you live in a hard water area citric acid works well as a descaler. I've used it many a time to clean my kettle, pots and pans and mugs that end up with stains that I've previously had to shift with gunpowder. Unlike white vinegar, you don't need to rinse it several times to get rid of the smell.
Thanks for the tip! The citric acid does have the advantage of not smelling like vinegar.
Mag dad another great video thank you!!! Can you link your fiber grinding wheels - I am having a tough time locating them.
Thanks Larry! I got them on Amazon. I included screenshots of the Amazon pages at the end of my fiber wheel video.
@@357magdad Thank you sir and please keep these great videos coming. I have saved several of them to learn from so I can restore some of my tools.
Nice I like the no sanding.
Thanks Gator!
The fiber wheel look good. Do you find them more forgiving or less aggressive then sand paper of the same grit? Like the handle design. Thanks
I think the fiber wheels polish the part more than the 1 x 30 belt sander does. I think the "grits" given for the fiber wheels are approximations. The 6" wheel can get into areas I can't reach as well with the belt sander.
Great.
Thanks Ken!
Considering how deep the pitting was, do you think sanding would have made that much difference? Good video!
The nice think about this pair of pliers is that the maker's mark is deep. I could have removed some material with the belt sander without losing the markings. A lot of times the maker's mark limits how much material I can remove.
Awesome job considering how badly they were pitted!
Thanks GAE!
I used vinegar once on a plane lever cap that had nickle plating it took some off but ate into the metal too.
I've tried vinegar. I was hoping I could make the citric acid solution stronger than the vinegar.
As always a really nice job. I was interested in the citric acid bath as Evaporust costs $40 for a gallon in the UK so I only use it sparingly. Normally use vinegar but may try citric acid.
Thanks Tony! I was attracted to the citric acid powder because I could control the "acidity" of the solution. Plus the vinegar stinks.
Nice restoration. My dad had Kraeuter 156-6 USA made 6.5 inch slip joint pliers in real good shape. Any idea what year range they were made?
Thanks! Check out alloy-artifacts for manufacturing date info.
Did you coat the pliers with anything to protect it when you were done? Looks great.
I use Johnson's paste wax.
Have you ever tried the flitz on a bench top grinder with a buffing wheel?
The Flitz tends to overheat. The solid polishing compounds work better on the buffing wheel.
Thank you!!!
It is a shame the rust ate at them that bad ...If I wanted to take the chrome off of like a 50's bumper ..An old school trick was they would burn it off with a torch and spray with cold water..I could not recommend to do it since it would be so much Toxic fumes coming off it
I'm gonna have to try that next time - outside of course!
Is that grinder motor a full-speed motor?
Nice job on the pliers.
Thanks Ben! The name plate says 3450 rpm.
@@357magdad Interesting. I recall Joe warning that I should get a slower motor for the fiber wheel. Something about it being very dangerous. Not exactly sure what the danger is, but I'm just passing that along. Use whatever caution you deem necessary. My motor is 1750. I guess you can get the work done twice as fast.
@@mrbenmall Seems to run OK. The adapter bushings I got seem to have the fiber wheels running smooth and true. It doesn't feel scary to me, but I might just not know any better. LOL
Another great video. Thank you. When you were done, did you coat the pliers with paste wax or mineral oil or something to prevent rusting? I'm having a hard time keeping my restored tools rust free, probably because of the salty air here in RI. Any advice? Thanks.
I use Johnson's paste wax, but my stuff is in my basement. One of the CLP's used for firearms might work better for you. BreakFree CLP might be worth a try (check the fishing/hunting section of your Walmart)
I wonder if that citric acid would work better with a little electricity.....as in an electrolysis bath.
I could wait for a lightening storm on a night with a full moon.....
Just kidding! You're right, there is probably a way to reverse the plating.
I wonder who really made the pliers ? I own two pairs of Proto pliers with the same anti slip grip pattern on the handles. J.P. Danielson made pliers for Proto using that design.
I'm not sure how the companies might be related.
Electrolysis with take that plating off in a snap.
Thanks for watching! The plating comes off pretty quickly with my 1 x 30 belt sander! I wanted to see what the fiber wheels could do by themselves.
I wonder if they would have looked just as good if you didn't use the citric acid first.
In my experience the wire wheel does a decent job of rust removal. The baths like evapo-rust, vinegar, citric acid etc are handy for getting into spots you can't reach with the wheel.
Did you ever flitz a musical instrument?
I have not. I bet it would work well! I think think I would polish by hand with a microfiber towel rather than the Dremel.
@@357magdad yeah, I've used other things that work well. I want to try flitz on a trombone carcass that I have coming in. Thanks!
@@lotsabirds Let me know how it turns out!
Should have sanded ;)
Thanks for watching! Normally I would have sanded an item like this, but I wanted to see what the fiber wheels were capable of.
unfortunately plating gets put on by electricity and pretty much has to be removed by electricity acids just won’t do it
The citric acid will come in handy for rust removal and I recently tried "sharpening" an old file with it with some success.
357magdad Thank goodness most of my old tools don’t have any plating on them. Just rust. citric acid is perfect for that
It's look a a lot better too bad the putting was so bad
The good thing is that the pitting is superficial - the jaws and cutter are in great shape.