Why Some Tractor Tires Are Filled With Water?
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Did you know that some tractor owners fill their tires with water or other fluids?
Filling tractor tires with water is a common practice in agriculture and certain industrial applications, serving various purposes.
This practice is prevalent in agricultural tractors used for tasks like plowing, planting, and harvesting, as well as in industrial tractors involved in material handling, construction, and other heavy-duty operations.
But why would you fill water inside your tire?
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This video feels like it was written by an Ai. It's really repetitive and just goes through a bunch of bullet points
Because it is
No its not
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I did tractor tires for over a decade, and I definitely did my share of tires with fluid. It was always the worst thing, that took 4 times as long and always made a mess, not to mention having to grind down the wheel to get rid of rust plus primering the wheel to protect it again.
Wheel weights are a FAR better option, not to mention you can add or subtract them as you please. The ONLY way it made possible sense to me was with a 2wd loader tractor.
And as far as using it for traction, its not as advantageous as weights anyways. The fluid adds tractive force but also adds to the weight that is required to spin the actual tire since it is further out than weights would be. This takes more power to drive and gives the illusion that the heavy tire is "biting" more. Wheel weights will add to your draft pressure but fluid will not.
After doing some figuring and observing with customers it seemed to be about a 5/8 ratio, as in; 600 lb of weight would add as much pulling power as 1000 lb of fluid.
Are weights more expensive? Yes. But they are only more expensive once. If a tire has a puncture one time, the wheel weights paid for themselves in the cost difference between fixing a tire with fluid and fixing a tire without fluid.
We had more than a few customers that i convinced to switch away from the fluid when putton on new tires, going with a good radial tire and was ballasted and aired cirrectly, and they all noticed an immediate improvement in pulling power.
And no, you would not want water in a semi tire...lol
All this to say that weights are expensive! More than ever. I understand 100% that fluid is way cheaper, and does essentially the same thing. It is 100% the farmers call on how they want to ballast their own piece of equipment. This is just my observations on fixing or replacing over 10,000 ag tires while I was there.
I see you bought dears BS
@@RJ1999x lol oh wow. Sure If thats what you think, friend.
If you know me, you know that 4440 is a four letter word. Think whatever you like. Ive changed or fixed over 10 thousand farm tires. How many have you done?
@@nevinbontrager8828 seeing I've been farming since 1984 and own 23 tractors most loaded down, I can tell you that your opinion on fluid is because you had to deal with unmaintained tires, and yes it is a pain to handle, but it's far cheaper than iron weight, and the difference between a light tractor and one weighted properly is night and day
@@RJ1999x yep, and I have utter and total respect for you, make no mistake.
My argument is that you only have to pay for weights once, whereas the total cost of having fluid over the life of a tire tends to be greater.
You obviously don't need me to tell you how to farm, it's just my observations on fluid in tires based on my experience.
Cost is 100% the reason that fluid exists in the first place.
@@nevinbontrager8828 Fluid was actually invented by Allis Chalmers, they did it because instead of selling the farmer a big heavy tractor, they could sell a smaller lighter tractor , load it with fluid, and the farmer got a better deal.
Up until the 90's fluid was widely used, but then manufacturers started the campaign that fluid was bad, and high prices pig iron (cheaply made) was very profitable for them.
Now because farmers don't own the tractor it's leased, the companies cash in again by leasing bigger and bigger tractors to do the same job a smaller properly weighted tractor could do.
I feel your pain with fluid, we actually have our own equipment for putting it in and taking it out. The real issue is farmers don't maintain the tractors with fluid, if we see a little moisture around the stem, we change the core, if you let it leak, yes it rots the rim.
We have tractors with calcium, some with beet juice and 1 with vegetable oil, the beet juice and vegetable oil are non corrosive
My grandfather somehow filled his riding mower tires with sand. It worked great- they had a lot of thorn trees on their property so they got a lot of flats and that fixed everything. We still have no idea how he got the sand in there, he passed back in the mid 90s so we can't ask :( I still miss him.
Regarding the 'more weight = less soil compaction' part: how is this supposed to make sense? Okay, the added weight may squash your tires a bit more, so the weight of the vehicle spreads over a bit more area, maybe, but so much that the effect very literally out-weighs the added water? Seems bloody unlikely, if you ask me 🤷♂️...
We use a noncorrosive glycol/water/sealant mixture in our rears as counter balance. The front loader can easily lift enough weight to cause forward tipping, but due to width restrictions, side weights aren’t an option.
Calcium chloride isn’t just for anti freeze. Water weighs 8.34 pounds per gallon, you add roughly 100 lbs of calcium chloride to 50 gallons of water. That adds 2 lbs per gallon and increases the amount of ballast in each tire. It is hell on steel rims though.
you could first coat the inside of the rims with liquid rubber like HBS-200 or other bitumen/polymer like material, then the inside cant corrode. latex wouldn´t be an alternative as it would deteriorate
It is very aggressive and will destroy metal fast by causing it to rust
We used to put water in the tires of our telescopic forklifts. Adding 700lbs of water per tire equals 1,400 extra pounds of capacity before tipping. Now days they are foam filled with 750pounds.
Most of the farmers I saw doing that believe that this adds more weight to the tractor and therefore better grip . The designers however made the tires in such a way that you get the grip you need when the tires are normally inflated and almost new without adding more stress to the tire or differentials . First of all the fuel economy is ruined , the tractor is always "loaded" therefore the tires wear out sooner .
Not true at all
I never saw difference in worked hours of duration between tires with 20% water, 90% water or no water with ballast or no ballast.
Designers have to make generic assumptions about the tractor which has nothing to do with actual use.
What about altering the center of gravity? Wouldn't this improve stability an incline?
@@darrinpennington tractor with full water tires have the gravity center much lower than tractor without water or with iron balasts
Our field tractors had a water / calcium chloride mix in the tires. That was some miserable stuff. You always had to make sure the valve stems were at the top of the tire if you were going to check tire pressure or add air. We had a separate pressure gauge and air chuck for the tires. The valve stems also had troubles with leakage and no matter how careful you were you always got that miserable stuff on you when working with the tires.
In the UK salt water is used, because straight water would freeze in winter. This not only results in a lumpy ride, but damages the tyre.
3:30 Isn't the water going to rust out the bead of the rim? Unless those tires use inner tubes, the bead will leak.
My father was a diesel mechanic and I used to work with him. When I was about 10, a customer brought his tractor and we were going to disassemble it and fix it. So my dad asked that when school gets out I should take out the wheels on the tractor while he was still at work.
Let's just say I ended up on the ground pinned by a heavy wheel filled with water for a couple of hours until my step mother rescued me. That's how I learned that some tractors are filled with water instead of air. No serious injuries.
😥 That was close. The same thing nearly happened to my son when he was 15. Neither one of us knew it was filled.
It does add weight, tractors need weight to horsepower ratios to be most efficient, have better ride characteristics like getting rid of power hop. However it’s best to add wheel-weights or suitcase weights. Adding ballast to the tires essentially turns them into bias tires taking away their ability to spread the footprint, lesson the PSI on the ground and add more yield to your crop.
But what do I know…. I just sell these specific tires for a living.
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How does this affect truck tires?
Not recommended for on road use at all due to safety concerns. Furthermore Truck operators typically try to get the mass of the empty truck as low as possible as this means they can haul more freight i.e. if you add 900kg(1985lb) of water to the tires of an 18 wheeler you can haul 900kg(1985lb) less freight, as trucks are limited on their total mass and not the mass of the freight.
It would probably reduce your gas mileage and wear out your breaks faster. Also, increase your stopping distance. In tractors, they primarily drive at slow speeds, so the water stays at the bottom of the tire. At high speeds, the water will start to distribute evenly making the tire act like a fly wheel. Sudden stops would cause the water to start sloshing around, which would likely cause a truck to jerk around.
Duuuuuuuuuddeeee, this whole video couldve taken 7 seconds at most.
“Why some tractor tires are filled with water” is not a question, so here is no need for a question mark. “Why are some tractor tires filled with water?” is how to phrase the statement as a question. It’s astonishing how this mistake has suddenly become so common - is AI really that uneducated?
very interesting. Great channel
"enhance the stability of the tractor by lower its center of gravity"
"gets better traction"
The heavier a machine is easier it is to get stuck in mud and its not like tractors tip over so they need to be closer to the ground. high ground clearance is more important in terrain like mud.
1:14
Common site in former Yugoslavia.
IMT 539 with a cab
It makes sense
Wow, amazing. NEVER knew that about 🚜.
Sometimes the pressurized water is used to put out small fires
tractor tires dont need much or any air pressure as its hard rubber. so that is why this works.
I put antifreeze in my Jeep's tyres, for the autumn and winter. I never get stuck. I drain it out for the later spring and summer to save on fuel.
For weight distribution I would rather have an arm sticking out with a pivot point but maybe it's too far fetched. The thing about not damaging the soil I don't get, you could deflate some air out to spread the load, it goes against adding load with the water.
English wise, the title is interesting. I would have said "are filled" instead of "is filled". I'm sure I'm wrong, the grammar is just strange to me as a french-portuguese.
"Why are some tractor tires filled with water?' would be proper.
English is not my native tongue.
As a farmer also differ on the point of "adding waster reduces soil compaction". Soil compaction is a great concern for farmers, but I do not see how adding water can reduce it, it would rather increase it as you say; fitting larger tires would reduce compaction and also increase traction.
3:35 Truck Tropia? Don't you mean Trucktopia?
With the rise of EVs & Hybrids, the ballast can actually be batteries.
And for offroaders, maybe environmentally friendly tire-sealant can be used in this way, for the same benefits as water-tires? Like Slime sealant. The extra sealant will not only have the same benefits as tractor water tires, but also have a higher chance of plugging a puncture.
Slime is $25 gallon
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A lot of great mods cost a noticeable amount of money.
Do you mean are filled with water?
Easy weight 💪🏻
Another advantage of putting water is that in case of a puncture the tyre will not immediately deflate and you can continue driving on unlike with air filled tyres which suddenly lose air and you have to stop.
The title is incorrect. It's not a question but it ends with a question mark.
Great video, but why do I smell tire rubber now?
It's the center of " mass " not center of gravity..
C.G. , Center of Gravity, is a widely accepted term for center of mass.
Why some tractor tires
IS
filled with water.
Shakespeare must be confused about now, should he laugh, or cry.
I know i IS confused... ☆
Thanks for being that guy so that I didn't have to be?😂
But even trading the IS for an ARE then the question mark still screws things up
We actually fill them with calcium or beat juice or glycol not water it’s freezes was a tire guy in Kelowna bc for 20 years cheers they claimed it was so the tractor wouldn’t bounce and bruise the fruit.
What about increased fuel consumption? Doesn't it outweight the benefits?
Weight. Especially for getting the most out of a smaller lighter weight tracker
thanks for using mtz or other soviet tractors in this video
1:50 - 1:53 blue tractror its looks like MTZ 82 or T25 vladimiriec and trick with water in tires is as old as world
More traction when pulling things
So you have to replace the rim too when you replace a tire..😡
‘Are’ not ‘is’…. Ffs..
Hearing this more and more in shows and films, not a massive issue but it just sounds so off, the sentence still makes sense, but it ruins the flow. Like a pothole on a nice windy country road 😂
methanol is cool af
Tyres
My gosh.... cacl is used for making the fluid even more heavy. Allso fluid filling is never done on tubeless. Unless your parents are borther and sister.
Allso , no ballast can replace fluid filling. The fluid will make the tire spread out , so you got a larger contact area.
And if used when it should be used , you get better fuel economy. Since you will have less slip.
If you are clueless about something Than don't post a video like if you had an idea. Any.. idea about the topic.
It adds weight directly on the ground, reducing weight attached to the drivetrain. Thus reducing wear.
Rotary solid mass attached to drivetrain, compared to wheel weights? Yes. Not compared to other methods of ballasting.
More so it reduces wear on many parts especially involving the front axle(sometimes adds to it). Similar to the idea of "unsprung mass" on road vehicles but this time the opposite way is mostly beneficial. However wheel weights have the same effect.
Though wheel weights are most expensive, couldn’t it do the exact same thing?
Yes, and better. Lol read my earlier comment above.
@@nevinbontrager8828not better, that's the spin the companies put on it, because they can sell you very expensive pig iron
@@nevinbontrager8828iron weights could be better, but water is cheaper and cheaper is better.
@@C0lon0 lol I hear that. The price of weights has gone crazy, like everything. But like I said, weights are only expensive once.
But you know how to farm, do what works for you!
With a singular exception: the ballast CG is lower when it's liquid. It's always below the center of wheel CG. With a low let's say 30% fill, much lower. As you see, 100% fill is not even possible or practical unless we mean foam.
Why ballast?
To make use of the horse power
When you want to increase soil compaction, leave nasty marks on a field or even get stuck in mud. ;)
When your tractor is not heavy enough to pull whatever it's going to pull.
Also when you don't want to tip over equipment causing economical loss or human casualties, which is of course not ideal.
@@ffffffff-vv7yp Light tractors slipping cause more compaction than properly ballasted
@@RJ1999x Correct and not contradictory.
Is?🤣
Brain rot
Womp abt it
Just joking :)
Is or are?