Glenn Gould - Pt. 1: Cliché (On How Mozart Became A Bad Composer)
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2024
- Part 1 of a light-hearted and humorous tribute from one musical genius to another. Glenn Gould had a somewhat mixed opinion of Mozart's music: while he was renowned for his interpretations of the works of Johann Sebastian Bach, his views on Mozart were not as consistently enthusiastic. Gould expressed reservations about the emotional expressiveness and the perceived emotional restraint in Mozart's music.
This unique-documentary is significant in several respects. It is the most sustained and pointed of his various public statements about his ambivalent feelings toward Mozart’s music. It marks the first time he let loose the comic side of his public persona on television and concludes with passionate performance of the K. 333 sonata, that up until now has never been released and differs significantly from his three other preserved performances of the work.
Video and audio have been completely restored from the broadcast master.
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Mozart was prolific, likely due to financial pressure to produce music constantly. Unlike Brahms, who destroyed a majority of his work, all of Mozart’s work survives to this day. I think we can all agree that the best of his compositions are truly sublime.
I'm 25 in America, I grew up around sh** for music, Mozart is a genius in comparison.
No. Mozart was prolific because music just flowed out of him naturally. I think he once wrote his father that he had so many ideas in his head that there was no way he could write most of them down. It shows. Whenever a piece of his music requires a new theme, one appears.
At age 10, he once sat at a piano with a singer and played variations on a theme for half an hour before they told him he had to stop.
@@temperedwell6295 ok. What I could have said is that he published everything he wrote, due to pressures that existed beyond the artistic ones he imposed on himself.
@@temperedwell6295 It was just normal for his days. Bach wrote one cantata each week, and Vivaldi finished a concerto within hours. With decent musical training background everyone can do this.
Or compare to bach and how much he wrote - and never wrote a bad note in his life.
Glenn Gould is the treatment for when classical music starts to take itself too seriously. I love it.
It’s a masterful satire, in large part because I think Glenn sincerely believes in the validity of both arguments. There is beauty to be found in simplicity, AND Mozart was coasting on some of those concertos.
But the deeper point, I think, is that Gould is treating Mozart with an unsympathetic lens that is rarely reserved for “sacred cow” composers. Glenn was not a believer in objective truths, and my interpretation of his argument here is that entertaining the thought that Mozart was a “bad composer” we can have to identify and defend what is truly special about his composition for reasons other than his pre-existing spot on the composers’ Mt. Rushmore.
I love both, Mozart and Gould ❤
Браво! :)
Yo también
The legendary documentary I only saw from the book... Finally got uploaded to UA-cam
Yet Mozart Requiem is an incredibly outstanding masterpiece
Yup, unbelievable. I think the introitus does not get enough love, and is probably one of my favorite pieces. Not to mention the transition from the kyrie to the dires irae, ending and starting on the same chord, is incredible!
SO incredible--Love this--thank you for posting!
It always amazed me how the "mature" Mozart pleases more in childhood and the younger Mozart gets better when one ages.
Glen, of course, knows why and can transfer that information in his own incredibly entertaining way...
Happy birthday Wolfgang !
Мы любим любого Моцарта!
❤Wonderfull!❤
I like Glenn Gould.
Sagenhaft! Vielen Dank und LG aus Montréal, Qc, Canada
I thought Mozart was mostly elevator music until I heard the symphonies, the Masses, and the operas. The divertimenti make me divertimental. As for Gould, I love the Baroque Era, so how can I not love him.
I’m so excited to see this again but in color
Well, I think despite the premise Gould proves here that Mozart is indeed one banger of a composer!
please part 2!!!🙏🙏🙏😘
wow I can't wait!!!
Already available, like everything they post.
Два Гения вместе не уживаются.
Пример,Толстой и Шекспир.
Yes you can…
@@AFE1312 and with better sound than here
His effrontery was delightful!
Well that was amazing but I want part 2 ASAP
It's here today 2/9, and worth the wait.
Only Mozart can be bad at composing and yet able to write such a beautiful music.
Glenn Gould loved Mozart. There's no question. This is all him taking the piss.
He loved some of Mozart, which he freely acknowledges here.
Puede ser pero los chispazos que tiene Mozart en su música son estratosféricos,incomprensibles musicalmente señor Gould,es otra dimensión…..
Glenn was compelled to say things like this, was his construct. I personally do not think he absolutely felt this way He clearly enjoyed being a contrarian with a strong sense of humor.
Find it refreshing to hear unpopular opinions especially today. Classical music can laugh at itself once in a while.
At least he won't bore you.
What a presumptuous comment to override what GG said and pretend he did not mean what he said. Well he did, and every word of it ! But there will be many more mediocre people like you who will wrongly assume that humor and high thoughts are mutually exclusive. A believable critic of Mozart does not have to be done in a stern, heavy and dreadful manner, it can be done in a light mood but it does not change the arguments which are heavyweights here. Mozart was and is still overrated. Yes, he used cliche and composed with commercial success as the end goal not for the highest quest in composing. Every critic that GG makes in this video is solid and substantiated and true.
Mozart remains the classical fast food music accessible to many and overrated.
If he really felt that way, why did he perform (memorably at that) this work with Bernstein and the New York Philharmonic in 1959?
@@peterheiman8621 answer : To give some token of adhesion to the system and be able to work in the circuit for his career BEFORE he realized he decided screw it, i am going to do what i want, say what i think and run my career without having to be a stooge of the establishment.
Sick of the falling fifths sequence? Wait till this guy hears about Vivaldi
GG official channel is back!
I just love listening to two of my favorite musicians “argue” - it makes Gould’s Mozart *interesting* - *covers* rather than “a cover band” …
Compose in 5 and a half to 6 years, Don gionvanni, Marriage of figaro, magic flute, la Clemens a de tito. Compose in 8 weeks I three last symphonies.
Inimitable GG. Always worth a careful listen. Quirky, idiosyncratic, but huge technique.
Plays music he hates with immeasurable "elan", statistically speaking, which would otherwise be a cliche in the hands and words of a lesser musician, one might be inclined to say "artist", were the low rent composition -- or Frankenstein's monster of sewn together parts of originally healthy and hale individual works -- capable of allowing artistry to show itself at all...
Dear Glenn..❤
Glenn: "This stuff is so basic" *plays and appears to be in ecstasy*
Gould is proof that you cannot make Mozart sound bad, no matter how hard you try.
Yer killin' me, Glenn
Ohh !
Perso, j'aime autant Mozart que Bach...
Mais quelle virtuosité dans l'art de l'humour !
J'adore !
Vous aimez donc la musique qui sent la vieille sacristie luthérienne autant que Mozart, le plus grand compositeur de tous les temps. Très curieux.
@@Alix777. j'aime la bonne musique classique. Qu'elle soit composée par des catholiques ou par des protestants ou autres..
Ce qui compte c'est le talent du compositeur et les émotions qu'il transmet...
Idem pour ceux qui savent interpréter merveilleusement bien les Œuvres des Maîtres...tel Glenn Gould dans le clavier bien tempéré de Bach ...une pépite !
I think, Glenn Gould really shows us what a genius composer Mozart really has been - no one could do that, but Mozart.
Humphrey Price Davies 😂😂😂
Yes, I went “Wait…what?!”
It’s worth it just to hear Gould throw out such brilliant pianistc effects. Some fingers!
I absolutely love Gould calling it as it as he see's it.
Nobody today has the balls to be this openly honest.
Well... Beethoven and Chopin, just for mention two great composers mention Mozart's music were the greatest. Gould is dead now, it has a very particular and valid view about music, but despite of wherever he liked or not Mozart, it is not a genius like Beethoven or Chopin, just for mention two. Facts. You can like or dislike Mozart or any other composer, this is a different issue.
Rudolph Serkin I believe was listening to Gould speaking on the radio and was appalled by the things he heard, later in the program he heard Gould playing and his anger subsided.
J aime Glenn Gould
Don't feel bad Motzart, Mr Gould also pointed out that Bach, if he had reviewed his work would have corrected a mistake he made in one of his compositions.
Mr. Gould is a unique genius with the piano & listening to him play is certain bliss, however Motzart composed for the general public to enjoy & most of us have enjoyed listening to his works, especially when Mr. Gould plays them.
Gould died suffering like the cripple he was, and his musical legacy is nonexistent. If you think Mozart wrote and is a composer for the 'general public', then you deserve a special place to the right of Mr Gould and his disgusting midwit interpretations, banal self-indulgent ramblings devoid of any value or merit.
Mozart has been awfully quiet since this dropped.
Y'all go read norbert elias' Portrait of A Genius
does anyone else know if there are more glenn gould tv programs like this?
Right I’m looking for them too
In official Glenn Gould channnel here in UA-cam. Looking for enough you find.
What's wrong with sequences though?
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Something about him speaking with that contemptuous tone of voice and looking at the camera with those contemptuous furrowed brows, probably intentional, is hilarious lol
Gould is quite unfair here, as he sometimes is with Mozart. Picking a concerto rather than other late works is a way of making his point. But the "point" of a concerto is to display the chops of the soloist. Of necessity there's going to be some noodling in the bravura passages. Gould is such a master of virtuosity that he doesn't note the showy quality intended for such pieces, because for him, it's easy to phone it in.
It's also notable that he doesn't mention that other minor key concerto, #20, which he could not so easily dismiss. It was written just one year before this one.
LOL idiot doesn't know what "lighthearted" means. derp
K 491 is as great as K 466. If not even greater.
Il est un specıalıtE... BurcuBlue🫒
in fact, these are very harmless statements with more humor than malice, but people still hate GG for it. friends, just relax, this genius wanted to entertain you, not offend. yes, he really doesn’t like Mozart, but that’s just his opinion, which he presented in the form of excellent post-irony. There is far more hatred and disrespect in some people's reactions to Gould's words than in this video.
I had no idea Glenn was so funny. 🤣
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I believe that being creative and having a very unique style is easier than adhering closely to the tradition and employing lots of cliches as well as technical finesse so to me Mozart is a genius. His music is both complex and incredibly easy to digest which for me is great art. But then again, I am a conservative as far as aesthetics are concerned and I don't care for the political or revolutionary impact of a work of art, I only care about craftsmanship
Devastating, yet funny in that quality…😂
What year?
1968
@@Chopin1995 i wonder if the Mozart explosion of the 1980's had any effect on his "health issues". And obviously the period instrument movement in Bach.
6:14 🤣🤣🤣
Этот заголовок не корректен. Конечно, для привлечения любопытной публики сойдёт. Маэстро Гленн Гульд говорит с позиций глубокого понимания музыки, что недоступно большинству обывателей. И так рождаются клише "Гульд ненавидит Моцарта" , что есть полная чушь. Вы слушали Моцарта в исполнении Гульда, кроме как сейчас в этом видео? Моцарт в исполнении Гленна Гульда - это лучший Моцарт, когда-либо исполненный, непревзойденный, это вершина. Моцарту очень повезло, что его записал Гульд, и довольно много - сонаты, фантазии, 24 концерт. Потрудитесь послушать, господа, и вы лучше будете понимать маэстро Гленна.
I've always thought of Mozart at his worst was a piece of music waiting around for the soloist to go nuts, sort of the "Harpo Does Something Funny" approach to composition
Glenn Gould was a brilliant pianist for certain things, like contrapuntal works from the late Baroque era. However, his opinions here are nothing more than nonsensical ramblings. Mozart clearly wrote his most complex and deep works during the last years of his life, his last two symphonies and The Magic Flute being obvious examples. The same goes for Gould's nonsense opinions about Stravinsky as a composer. Gould was a genious, but also one with certain autistic tendencies, which sometimes clearly got the better of him.
gould's humour is everything he dislikes about mozart, but what playing
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To see the great Gould to entertain us with his "colorful" theories is rewarding and amusing.
However, we should take anything GG says with a pinch of caution... or a lot of caution. Firstly, because he had a very acute and subtle sense of humor, especially forguing parodic personalities. He could be pranking all of us in any particular point of time.
Secondly, he was a well-known eccentric , with astounding (and many times untennable) POVs over several musical subject. We can love his music but not necessarily his opinions in every issue.
His eccentric nature can be very well seen in his infamous (and almost unbelievable) "Steinway's back slap" incident , which had big consequences in his life and , in the long term, limited the amount of music he passed on us.
Моцарт был наверное одним из самых больших пофигистов в истории музыки. От творил как хотел и всегда это было здорово! Удивляет после драматической сонаты C-moll K457, когда уж надо было писать в том же духе, появление легкой, по сути легкомысленной сонаты К545, но это было для него естественно, он просто стебался над всеми! После драматичнейшего Дон Жуана идет легкомысленная Кози, да пофиг!
Curioso quando um pianista vai falar sobre a qualidade da música de Mozart só sabe sabe do Mozart compositor para piano. Para eles Mozart só compôs para piano, -
funciona para outros instrumentos e outros compositores, por exemplo, Beethoven só compôs sinfonias.
Hilarious to see how many people, even half a century later, still don’t realize how much he’s just atomically trolling here lmao
I don't know, but could it be argued that Mozart was practicing a more economical approach?
That’s for those who crave for economy.
Humphrey Myles Davies looks like Glenn Gould! Sounds like him too.
Glenn Gould forgot about Mozart’s last Symphonies. They are in the top of Symphonic compositions starting with #38 through 39 to 41. Number 40 is considered to to be in the top 10 of all time. Gould was a good pianist but never composed anything. He was also quite a freak in his later years. He kept his curtains closed, wore gloves, never shook hands, crazy about his diet, mumbled through some of his recordings ruining them. He did get me onto Bach for the rest of my life but often played his work too quickly. Daniel Barenboim and others are much better than Gould. After his death at 50, the TV documentary was very depressing and dark.
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Maybe gould has a point. But the first theme of that same concerto is so unusually chromatic, mysterious, and full of tension. How is that cliched?
Also, does having a propensity of sequences automatically make a piece bad? The first movement of Beethoven 5 uses its central motif in many sequences, yet it isn't considered unoriginal or cliched
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it’s so painful to watch this because gould doesn’t understand the classical idiom at all. talking about a classical concerto by only mentioning the solo instrument fails to understand how these composer conceptualized the role of the soloist. in all of mozart’s concerti, he writes the keyboard at the _bottom_ of the score, because he and his contemporaries inherited this idea of the historical role of the keyboard as part of the basso continuo section! this heroic soloist we often think about in concerti emerges later-in this time it is still very much a dialogue between the soloist and the orchestra, so by playing portions of the concerto which make very little sense without the context of the whole rest of the orchestra is either a bad faith argument, or, as i said above, reflects gould’s truly bewildering ignorance
One can find fault with every composer. I don't like Bach's choruses in the Magnificat. Arias are wonderful. Mozart's piano trios and violin sonatas are gorgeous, as are his piano concertos. Can't think of a bad Mozart, early or late. As to Mozart being the easiest of the greats to imitate, not only is that irrelevant and untrue, Bach is much easier to imitate and parody, which detracts nothing from his greatest pieces. Mozart is the greatest composer. If one had to choose which composer to rescue from oblivion, Mozart would be my obvious choice.
Mozart is an amateur compared to Schubert
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Gould would later arrive for the Matrix!
Bei allem Respect vor sein Können, als ein genialer Pianist, Glenn Gould hatte ja als Komponist nie in Erscheinung getreten. 5:59
Nicht ohne Grund. Schade, eigentlich.
But how did he know an everyday life in an office that well?? I thought he spent most of his time at the piano or in a recording studio.
I imagine a genius on the order of a Glenn Gould can pick up a sufficient understanding of the office dynamics through cultural osmosis
How Glenn Gould made mistakes as a critic:
Beethoven was king in his last 5 symphonies, king in a good number of his piano sonatas perhaps 8 or 10 of 32 P sonatas, then his 2do violin romence, and his fantasy for piano, chorus and orchestra. If you subtract all these pieces, he is a regular good composer. That is why Mozart is superior. You find master pieces in all genres of Mozart's music, too long the list to mention here.
Interesting, Perhaps comic. Pretentious-perhaps to the point of being delusionally self-serving. GG was a great part of musical history, but, in the end, I think we must say Mozart had him beat. Perhaps GG knew this and just couldn't avoid dealing with it this way?
Kogda ya yem ya nem i glux. Tak izdevayutsa. Kto xochest lechitsa, poshli Na FIG!
I'm like 666, must mean something
Lo interpreta,però,in modo eccezionale. Mozart cosi suonato non annoia,tutt'altro.
Looking forward to part 3, "On How Glenn Gould Became An Overblown Windbag"
The best works of mozart later years are his clarinet works, not piano.
Is it Mozart that became 'jaded?' Or Glenn Gould?
This did not persuade me.
Methinks the entire "mocking" of Mozart was intended by Gould to be a humorous homage.
Sprinkle a bit of salt on what Gould says about Mozart.
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is Bach not the master of the sequences and falling fifths ? And is it not possible to make any composer sound bland if you play it without any artistic conviction ? It sounds bland under Gould's fingers. That is true. With the spiritual depth and esthetic subtility of a barrel organ.
You understand there is a lot of humor involved here?
@@mortenkeiser-nielsen7311 No matter his wonderfull sense of humor, Gould's criticism and dismissal of Mozart was genuine.
To my ears Mozart is a boring composer possessed of an uncanny ability - every now and again - to compose music of startling beauty
I don’t understand people who think that Mozart was better than Beethoven
Maybe you should try to improve your understanding of music.
There are objective reasons to consider Mozart greater than Beethoven, alrhough it isn't a competition.
@@temperedwell6295Maybe you should improve your understanding as well. The original poster is correct.
@@HermanIngram He is correct. He doesn't understand.
If you want to engage.... Mozart's composing technique was better, he was more versatile (Beethoven not a particularly good composer of operas or for voice, in general), more subtlely imaginative, and much more prolific.
IMO Mozart"s fantasie and sonata in C minor is superior to Beethoven's pathetique sonata based on it.
Not to understand how some find Mozart superior?
Don't get me wrong. I love Beethoven, who clearly revolutionized music. After Mozart, a revolution was needed because Mozart had done all that was possible within the purely classical framework. Who can't be awe struck upon first hearing Beethoven's fifth symphony? I consider the Appassionata sonata the greatest work ever composed for the piano because it is original in so many ways -- unusual time signature, extended coda, transition between movements, e.g. But that doesn't make Beethoven better than Mozart.
Mozart's 40th symphony, for example. Is musical perfection, if such a concept exists.
@@temperedwell6295
The fact that Mozart write more opera means nothing. The Missa Solemnis is a far greater work than anything Mozart wrote for voice. Beethoven’s output for the piano is far, far greater than that of Mozart. The artistic breath is incomparable.
Mozart is formulaic and not the greatest when it comes to developing material.
@@HermanIngram Seriously, are you tone deaf?
Asuma why not us??? Otkroy knigu prochti, shto ne ponyatnova???? Gde vidish Romantiku? Tents Brazilatsinerin tvetsinq, nothing, Russkim dali, nothing, Anglichaninam something and so on....
Just a disingenuous critique. Demonstrating that a work is comprised of simple “ingredients” doesn’t prove it was unsuccessful. It’s like he’s eating a delicious croissant and saying “This is just butter and flour! How uninspired!” Just enjoy your breakfast Glenn.
Gould judging Mozart, hilarious .
Yes. Mozart's last piano sonata 576 in D major really sucks as do his last symphonies.. Indeed, he wrote the first movement of his symphony no. 40, while stuck in a closet. Let him out. Let him out. Let him out.
I strongly disagree with mr Gould. Mozart is a fantastic composer, and has produced the best counterpoint of any composer. It's always easy to listen to, which doesn't mean it is therefore bad Please listen to the late string quartets and string quintets, and please listen to the wind music, especially the Gran Partita and KV 410. There you can hear the most honest music and purest counterpoint. The piano (solo) music is a bit odd compared to the string music, but it's written for another audience as well. For me the best piece Mozart wrote is the string quartet KV 499. Also for the uniniciated, please listen to the greatness of the slow movement of KV 464, it contains three very odd but strangely beautiful variations, one Schubert, one awesome fugato and a Boccherini.... I love it!
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No lyricism to his melodic lines in his interpretations. I think he murders it.
Mozart is great but too perfect for my taste.
Napisali Latino Amerikanskiy Tanets nazivayetsa Nervoza Paparikuza u vaz. O, Po nashemu slovariku eto... :). Ne dodik? Papin dodik, vsyo pravilno!
El que diga que Mozart es un mal compositor me apiado de su absoluta ignorancia. Así mismo que sea el propio Glenn.
Великий Гульд!
As much as I love Gould's reinventions of Bach. It is surprising he didn't understand or appreciate the music of the greatest musician and composer of the universe.
The greatest musician and composer in the universe" : You're talking about Bach, of course... 😁 Read elsewhere: Bach is God, Gould is his prophet ! I add, Amadeus, a priest...
@@alkacil2504 as much as I love Mozart, I couldn't agree more. Bach is the Sun, all other composers are "just" planets (some are bigger than other, of course 🤪)
Gould had his shortcomings. I often wonder how the film Amadeus might have affected him had he lived long enough to see it.
@@alkacil2504 Ahhhhhh Bach. Hard to argue he wasn't the greatest of the greats. I get it. His pieces are like perfect machines. But Mozart's music is so mathematically perfect it changes your brain waves to theta state. And he wrote symphonies and operas when he was a child. Both of them otherworldly in their genius.
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Haha get wrecked Mozart
Gould is top but sometimes speaks too much...