The Downfall Of Median XL's Multiplayer, The Best Diablo 2 Experience There Is Got Worse, MXL Review

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  • Опубліковано 10 січ 2025

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  • @josepinto6976
    @josepinto6976 Рік тому +28

    i haven´t played median xl in a long time, but i feel like the mod lost its essence when marco took over

  • @mythicalrealms2102
    @mythicalrealms2102 Рік тому +9

    100% agree with this video. In the patch notes for 2.6, the devs state they reduced the UMO drop in Fautzinville by 30% because in their words, it was "obsoleting the reward structure on harder content" This tells you where their priorities are. At this point T6 Phoboss might be the fastest way to farm UMOs, though I'm not sure he spawns reliably enough in T6 that you can farm him efficiently, and better hope you have a build that is cheap enough not to require a ton of UMOs to fight him in the first place.

    • @lReesesCupl
      @lReesesCupl Рік тому +2

      UMOs were also dropping like candy in Fautz because they were boosted by a HUGE amount. So the nerf was from an over buff in the previous patch.
      Proof: my buddy played Fautz for 2 days and had the most UMOs to sell then the giga groups that focus on labs.

  • @carpNcoffee
    @carpNcoffee 2 роки тому +8

    I've played for a fair while now, couldn't agree more with what you've said. Although I've struggled to even get into labs.
    You can trade fairly easy at the beginning of ladder with full sets for starter builds, but beyond that you're stuck farming.

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  2 роки тому +5

      Unfortunately, at the end of the day, once you're 135 your only recourse is to farm Scosglen, and that can be done with most characters to varying degrees of success with just full starter sets, but that's where the end game trails off. Because you'll need to Farm Scos until you find the items you need to even get into labs, and that's not counting the charms you need, being level 140 and having the buffs of the Dulra Aegis and some of the other charms just so you can have resists to facilitate running labs. The gear check and level check from T-5 to T-6 Labs is ludicrous, not to mention the jump to T-7, T-8, T-9, T-10, and just your ability to even fight phoboss. So yeah it's really rough unfortunately, and I'd like to see the Labs extended to being longer than just to T-10, and allow for players to level to 150 more comfortably. Rather than compressing Labs to 1-10 like they've done Labs 1-20 should be a thing and you should be able to level to 150, within labs 1-10 more easily so you can at least be more applicable in the end game. I mean hell winning invasion 3 alone is a huge gear check while Labs 1-5 are easier than the Invasion 3 fight anyway lol.
      Thank you for the comment and subscription, if you're still playing on ladder, and need experience I can run you through some labs to help get you some experience if you're on TWS Ladder. Vladtelinov is my ingame account name feel free to add me.

  • @Akutikun
    @Akutikun Рік тому +14

    The second you pay for mods you are the problem. Mods are a passion project from the heart, not a freaking career. If you're going to pay for a game project, probably don't pay for one that has nothing to stop them from accountability, even less so than the already abysmal lack thereof of current game development. When you throw money at people, they overwhelmingly get stupid. When it's predatory money, you give nothing or you may as well never complain about anything ever again because you are the cause of the misery that affects everyone. Time to wake up.

    • @Lrripper
      @Lrripper Рік тому +5

      Mommy is still paying for everything I see

  • @SABaruj
    @SABaruj Рік тому +11

    i must say it: i need a Median XL mod for diablo 2 Resurrected

  • @SinfulGFX
    @SinfulGFX Рік тому +8

    Great Video!
    One thing to note is that you really don't need to spend money in Median XL to really get to late game unless you are really unlucky with drops. My friend and I have been playing Median XL since it released under the original developer and We very rarely end up spending money in the game, we also don't sell anything we get and tend to just give it out to the public for free. I would definitely agree that the seasons only really last about 1 month or even 6 weeks at most. I wish they would shorten the seasons for it but they creators and assistants have been bringing more content than earlier seasons and features require a ton of testing which is why they seasons run on so long nowadays which is understandable. Btw If you need anyone to run with just let me know. I ran with Rhykker and assisted him when he played and am always up for helping out or just hanging out and chit chatting. :D

  • @GAMMA47
    @GAMMA47 Рік тому +10

    I got to the end of Nightmare act 5 and all of a sudden the enemies get broken as fuck. Literally Umplayable and the Devs are ban happy when it comes to critism. If they really are going pay to win then fuck them

    • @THE_BASED_GOD
      @THE_BASED_GOD Рік тому +2

      Yeah no lmao. You dont need to pay. But if you join midseason like this guy is talking about, it will definitely be harder to make TG. You can easily make TG early ladder (month or so) with shrine/AC/sig to fund a first character to then use to further fund your characters. You mught need to go a powerful meta build first but its very doable.

  • @ezergilechimekazikura6855
    @ezergilechimekazikura6855 Рік тому +4

    As a novice, who started playing only since 2.0, I can't agree. It is true that in my time playing I only once challenged Samael, and the farthest I made it in labs is lvl 8, but both of those happened on the same season with warlock pally, I went the entire solo self found, and at the moment wore some eafly to mid game scraps tgat could hardly be considered gear at that point, and all that was left undone was Samael, who stomped my 150 lightning pierce lvl 140 filthy casual ass, Phobos, who never spawned in 6-7 labs for me, and Deimoss, to whom I had not made my way since I got eaten by corrupted barb in lvl 7. Yes, farming dunc and fautz for eternity might get stale, but it's better than complete the season in one week and wait for another 3-5 months until the next one drops. And now with Skartara shrines release at march 3rd we will have reliable way to gather sets for at least one type of build for each class.

  • @neilmunro7961
    @neilmunro7961 Рік тому +2

    I have played this mod for the past 10 seasons or so. I have never used TG or indeed real cash (I wouldn't dream of it).

  • @swedichboy1000
    @swedichboy1000 7 місяців тому +1

    My problem is that it leans in the same way as Path of Exile, just mechanically, if you have a ranged build, you have greater sustainability by virtue of not needing to be close to enemies, wheras anyone with a melee-build, as soon as you stop to attack (say, melee necro) you are fucked, because in a similar vain to PoE, you need to keep moving, and some classes cant move and attack at the same time.

  • @brianpancotto8829
    @brianpancotto8829 Місяць тому

    the reason the game is even still relevant today is because the devs of both OG version and modded don't cater to casual players. the game would have been long and gone and not even in the discussion if gearing wasn't such a grind, the trade system itself would be worse off, the easier it is to get into end game the easier it is to say i've done all i want with the game which ends up making players put the game down even quicker, even amongst the popular ARPGS the seasons are virtually dead after 2-4 weeks.

  • @qisonglee7534
    @qisonglee7534 Рік тому

    The goal of each person playing the game is different. Blizzard designed three difficult sections for people to pass, but the effort required differs. Suppose a player's personal skill response is higher than normal. In that case, you need slightly fewer game resources, but a networked game is frustrating if you don't get resources in exchange. I'd like to know if future games could have specific bosses divided into particular difficulties with different rewards.
    For the operation of the game, can we consider similar to the opening of the auction house in the game, the auction house turnover commission to support the game development? Eliminate offline community transactions. So that the transaction volume is improved, the game will be more active. If there are no transactions, so there is no motivation.

  • @iamtimsson
    @iamtimsson 11 місяців тому +2

    glad to see median being talked about

  • @MetalMMagic
    @MetalMMagic 2 місяці тому

    I was wondering if I should play median again. I played MXL2008 and havent since then but if you now really pay for items I don't even check further. Ty for info. Gonna check now if sanctum or eastern sun still exist :D

  • @thepro9417
    @thepro9417 4 місяці тому

    I still like it, the reason is simple, Diablo 2 Resurrected, i want a new version of diablo 2 median xl, the people who played median xl wanted the same and they got D2 Resurrected, just do that and people will come back to Median XL.

  • @pozytywniezakrecony151
    @pozytywniezakrecony151 Рік тому +1

    I liked the mod but just don't have the time anymore, I think I am too bad for some of this for years after it got harder and harder

  • @josiahb.2117
    @josiahb.2117 11 місяців тому +1

    I think power creep is inevitable in a mod such as MXL. A game with such variety of character building and itemization is impossible to fully balance, and people will always find the broken builds eventually. To me, the real issue is that they've made it so easy to copy other people's builds. Why is everyone's NotArmory public? I think it should be shareable among forum friends only, so that the broken builds aren't immediately copied and replcated when discovered. That's the reason the trade forum gets flooded with SSSU'S and the best items in the game by one month in.

  • @rdb8324
    @rdb8324 Рік тому +5

    I also disagree with this video. I've been playing median since 2006. I have over 20k tg and never paid money. You can easily farm 1-2k tg in the first week of the season, you don't have to be super lucky you just need to know what you're doing. There have been seasons where I made 4k tg the first week even. Just make a good fast fauzt farmer, get a liliths temptation and 350%+ mf and farm in there until 140. Bowzon or summon necro work great. Do bremmtown every run too. You will make plenty of tg. Or make a boss farmer and kill bosses in the first 1 or 2 days like void or rift walker or uldy or laz and sell charms. Making the game easier will make seasons over even quicker. Although I do agree it would be nice to incentivize group play more, group play even in its current state is insanely strong for pushing the ladder because of the xp bonus. I would like to see more builds be viable in the high labs. Wolf and Javazon are 2 of the most expensive builds to get working in the late game. Paladin and assassin and even necro have pretty cheap builds that can work in higher labs. Sorc can work too there are other builds than wyrd that are effective.

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  Рік тому +2

      The experience for more players in the game is no longer in Median, which I referenced in the video, you do not get more EXP for more players in the game. As for the other bits, it's coming from the experience of joining mid season, but I'm not a fan of the game as is if I am honest. That being said, my critique is just my own opinions so far, I still like Median and think it's the best D2 Mod, just have some issues with the current form of it.

  • @FXXRVLCXDXX
    @FXXRVLCXDXX Рік тому +8

    I totally disagree with what you saying and also let me remind you of early days Laz experience in multiplayer... it was aweful. Lag and stutters all over the place! Marco and the rest of the team has done very good job to keep the mod alive imo. It's not perfect but is way better than what was in 2012.

    • @FXXRVLCXDXX
      @FXXRVLCXDXX Рік тому

      @@user-ne2zx3nd2k d2maniacs came after the server I played on, pretty sure there was another attempt before d2m that was really, really bad!

  • @VladimirTelinov
    @VladimirTelinov  2 роки тому +2

    Median XL Mod, can be found at:
    www.median-xl.com/
    Join us on Twitch, I stream on, www.twitch.tv/vladimirtelinov
    An overview of the Median XL Multiplayer and the problems with it.
    Plus my First Sammael kill with Manawolf.

  • @triage9082
    @triage9082 13 днів тому

    Is this worth getting into for a first timer? Or should i just do project d2?

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  13 днів тому +1

      Honestly Median is great it's a bit harder in a lot of respects than project D2 but still both are good mods for a first timer

    • @triage9082
      @triage9082 13 днів тому

      @VladimirTelinov does median have the mod to do maps at end game like path of exile as well? Or is that only in project d2?

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  13 днів тому +1

      ​@@triage9082 Median has it as well its called labs and there are a lot of different bosses with unique ways to fight them unlike PD2

    • @triage9082
      @triage9082 12 днів тому +1

      @@VladimirTelinov ty for the reply. I'll try it out.

  • @kingpig8978
    @kingpig8978 8 місяців тому +2

    So many people here who consider a few dollars in their wallet as precious treasure and time of developers spent on the mod should be 'free' because they get the reward named 'passion' lol. They do not make huge money from donating they all have rl jobs. +you don't need to donate at all to clear the hardest content of the game. TG just boosts the speed to get there, all you need is proper knowledge, experience and maybe some easy math.

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  8 місяців тому +2

      I think you're missing my point on when this video was made, during that season it was far more pay to win than any other season I've played of Median. I can do the math and sure, you can do it without paying. However, as someone who's played median since it's inception and has played Diablo 2 since it came out. I was not a fan of the season and how much TG was influenced in that season.

  • @KamTheOnly
    @KamTheOnly Рік тому +4

    MXL has been dead for a LONG time now dude... But You are absolutely right... Only specific kind of classes with the right gear can get to 150... I quit playing MXL since PD2 came out...

  • @dark666razor
    @dark666razor Рік тому

    I need a bowzon build :c

  • @keyano93
    @keyano93 Рік тому +7

    I do understand what your concerns are but that's only from you point of view, i'm an experienced MXL player, ,and i can tell you that i do not agree with what you're saying , from my part i can do t10 labs without investing any TG in the game with several builds, MXL is all about player skill and knowledge, it's similar to MOBA games, where there are noobs and average players and pro players, everything is much easier for high ranked players, i don't want to show my superiority or anything like that but that's just the truth , it's not a noob friendly game but people expect to finish the game when they just play for 1 season, i too struggled years ago when impossible content was added to the game but i persevered and didn't complain of how hard it was, it's just about skill, not all players can get to the same level ... if the game was any easier than it is atm, the game would end in 2-3 days for pro players, and 1-2 weeks for noobs, i don't find that fun, players should play more builds over the season , ask questions, make research to learn the game, you can't expect new combers to just finish the game in 1 season... game has to be challenging to keep interest of playing it. i can give you the best example of skill in this game, the way you move your character around and dodge, lure mobs and bosses to make the game easier and impossible to die makes the game so much easier, i know that new players just afk and dont move at all and then complain the game is so hard, well it is cause you need to play the game more to learn it , good crafted gear can take you very high in the game, UMO's gear is just a req to beat endgame bosses which they can''t be killed by the 99% of the game , becase if everyone would be able to kill them then game would be a joke.

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  Рік тому +11

      I see your point however, I think you're missing my over all point here, I am not new to Diablo Nor Median, I've played Diablo 2 since release, I played Median for years, my concern is not the difficulty. I said that Median is like Dark Souls D2.
      What I am talking about is the fact that the game is no longer having any concern for balance put into multiplayer play, that the game is specifically being balanced only around single player. This is my first season in nearly 10 years and I got to T-10 and able to clear T-10 in under a week, and this was on my second character without spending TG. The thing I am talking about is the model used to frustrate a lot of players that would like to play Labs that are not as good, that would benefit from team play oriented gameplay. I recently took up PD2, and while I do not like it as much as Median, I do like the fact that there is thought put behind multiplayer end game as well as being able to solo it. While in Median there is almost zero thought put into Median's multiplayer anymore, it's more used as a trading thing only.
      This is the opinion of someone who came from the original Median, and the experience I have found from being a streamer and playing with multiple viewers and multiple streamers come to this conclusion, that there is not enough time nor care put into the idea of having a multiplayer Median Experience.
      More Casual players that have played the game for 600-1000 hours, I've met that cannot clear Labs and have yet to do so because they found it far too difficult and build specific, and to say Labs are not build specific you're exceptionally wrong, labs are very build specific due to needing specific amount of resistances and life leech especially something like T-8 that is far less skill orientated and just a flat out gear check. Harpies are a hot mess that fire 2 screens away nearly and when there are 20 of them in a single Lab room and they do not move and hold a corner and you cannot out match their damage and get on top of them because there is xyz in your way and harpies in the corner come on.
      If you cannot see the blatant gear checks and not skill checks you're not as experience in Median as you think because in older Median that I come from everything was a skill check not specifically a flat out gear check.
      TLDR;
      This is the point of view of over 100+ people, from my time in game and during my twitch streams, who all share this point of view. Multiplayer needs to be a more integral part of the game and not overlooked.

  • @XArticSpartanX
    @XArticSpartanX Рік тому +9

    Mxl is literally p2w you can buy items with real money lol. Devs are clowns. Don't support SP to force people to pay money for TG

  • @Okcettefoiscbon
    @Okcettefoiscbon Місяць тому

    APRG

  • @bicknerry6762
    @bicknerry6762 Рік тому +1

    Wants teamplay, doesnt want to play with his friend.
    Thinks the endgame is nearly impossible without donating, donates still sucks.
    Youre not entitled to clear the most difficult content in the game.

    • @VladimirTelinov
      @VladimirTelinov  Рік тому +6

      I do play with friends and do Labs with friends, that's not what I am referring to at all entitled to end game? No. I want end game more accessible without an inclination to have to donate.

    • @lReesesCupl
      @lReesesCupl Рік тому +1

      @@VladimirTelinov The only time I've ever donated was to give TG away on stream. I've done lab a few times. It just takes time to learn how to earn TG. Theres a guide on the forums about earning TG if you are having issues with doing so.

  • @Lrripper
    @Lrripper Рік тому +7

    Dude believes running servers is free lol