Is there another group you would like to see a ranking for? I want to make a video about the differences between girl group and boy group dancing, not just technically, but also the history behind it, the reception from fans, how problematic it is and how I think it will evolve in the future - is this something that sounds interesting?
yes!! I honestly can't stand most girl group choreo but love it when the members perform boy group stuff in official performances or just when they're messing around in the studio! I'm not sure if girl groups are trying to appeal to the male gaze and thus limit their range of expression or if my distaste has something to do with preferring certain styles over others
I think Kai can be stated as one of the best idol dancers, whereas Lay can be put as the better 'dancer' dancer. If you told me to send either Kai or Lay do a dancing competition, I'd send Lay, but if you told me to choose a dancer to capture all the attention of the audience, I'd choose Kai.
Kai is a better dancer than Lay lol. For example you can watch they performed Don't Go, but you can watch Kai or Lay focus. Kai is more flexible, smooth, relaxed.
@@moonlightelf591lol kai is a better performer. Lay is a better technical dancer Kai just stand out cuz he is an explosive dancer and his facial expressions
It was Lay’s Growl Fancam that ushered me to learn dancing. His dancing is just sublime. While I adore Kai for the stage presence, watching Lay and his subtle moves that perfectly capture the mood of the song is a blast. Like you can see his personality pour out in his dancing.
Oooooh. Such a good vid. ❤ I remember this interview where D.O. was caught trying to dance like Kai. The dance trainer scolded him harshly and yelled at him that the style was not for him and to not dance like Kai. I was kind of sad for him and thought it was kinda mean? But now I kinda think the trainer saw that he was better in the groovy- style dancing instead of clean, sharp lines. He definitely has the musicality for it.
That is why I want a Kai and Lay subunit Both are amazing dancer and both of them deserve the first place. They music taste and dance technique would shake the kpop/cpop community
SO happy to have stumbled upon your channel! 100% agree with everything in this video, xiumin is deeply underrated within exo and d.o. has so much untapped natural talent 🙏🏻 can't wait for an nct ranking video, that's one i'm often torn on!
Finally watched it! Even tho Lay is my bias and favourite dancer in the group, I think overall (taking into account not just one style and every aspect) Kai and Lay are on the same level, I literally cannot put one before the other. Interestingly they are as much on the same level as they are different. I just prefer Lay because I admire so much his mindset of constant improvement but really him and Kai are both amazing dancers. Probably (if we don't count SuperM) the best duo of main dancers in the industry.
Hi, I'll (hopefully) post my hybe video today, though I'm not super happy about the way the jhope/jimin part turned out. Since I know you have a different opinions from mine, I wondered if you would write a counter/response sort of comment (maybe under the pinned comment) , so that people can also see a different pov on the debate? Only if you want to obviously haha
@facts in fiction Oh I know that your opinion is different but I'm super curious to watch the video! I can't imagine the work you put behind those videos. Anyway, yeah, for sure, I don't know when I'll write it and when I'll watch it but asap. I'm already sorry for my English lol
right? i watched each member fancam and i think after Lay didnt join EXO's performance, Xiumin could be main dancer with Kai. but Baekhyun cant be main dancer just bc he is main vocal which mean he has to sing more.
Again random weird tangent but I’d really love if someone could shed some light on DO’s tap dancing! He’s had to do it for a movie and he mentioned how much he enjoyed it so I was curious to see how far his technique has developed there. But I have next to no knowledge of tap dancing so I really can’t tell 😢 Also funny that you should bring up Lay’s veil dance practice I have been OBSESSED with this set of kids (esp zhen zhen the one in the middle) doing a cover to it: ua-cam.com/video/Wod3fert-V8/v-deo.html Like no shade to Lay at all (he did really well, though i personally tend to prefer a bit more groove and relaxation in these sorts of choreos) I am not comparing. I am just so hyped for how good they are (and Zhen zhen is like 10/11? How much potential does this kid have 😳)
As an exo fan pretty much since their debut I agree with you, specially about sehun, some of his fan can get mad but is true, the example of the legs was pretty good, thanks for the video
finally some xiumin appreciation! he doesn't have the sort of magnetic natural charisma a lot of the other exo members have, so he tends to not stand out as much. but his dancing is really great! i am always puzzled when he isn't included in conversations abt exo's dancing
The observations makes sense. I used to always wonder why I am not as impressed with SH's dancing skills granting that he is lead dancer.. but you pointed out what i couldnt put to words. Indeed he does look like he is more of concentrated on executing the choreo and sometimes looks disconnected when dancing. I hope you could do more of this. Kudos to you
I get it with kai, i think he's someone who have distinct dance style and indeed choose this particular specific style as his signature. You can see in his solo project where all has 3 title track has strong sharp, and clean dance choreos. Recently i watched choreography draft for rover on smp floor and it actually more wild(?) and groovy than final result. Kai made it clean, sharp, and added fluidity to the choreo and it's so interesting. It's pretty fun to watch him dancing to another groups or gg choreos with his own style. It got me like "oh that's kai dance" memored on my brain. Also with sehun i always notice how sometimes he lose control/balance with his feet. Many times ppl said he is also exo main dancer and i always correcting myself like didnt his position was a lead? Cause idk kai's and lay's skill in term of dancing is on the top, i don't think his skill is on the same level as them although his also good.
Woah thank you for making this. As a dancer myself, I was first captivated by Kai because of his smooth, sexy choreo in Love Shot. Eventually, I found my way to Lay who has shown a variety of dancing skills as someone who watched him in street dance of china seasons 3 and 4. Sadly, he is quite underrated as he has not performed with the group for years. Also, I have never realized until you pointed out that EXO's choreo have krumping incorporated since their debut.
recently ive noticed i tend to like groovy dances more, so it makes sense why D.O. is my bias ❤❤❤ imho D.O. is one of those people thats good at anything he does
i was wondering if you’ve watched baekhyun’s fancams during love me right or kokobop? he definitely has groove in his moves. but thanks for the fun video!
You did such a wholesome analysis, couldn't have agreed more with ur opinions Also could you please do one for NCT, ik there's a lot of members but you may just do for the top ones you prefer
Great analysis!! I do have a crazy opinion tho... yk Kai is not great at open style but he is widely recognized as a great dancer and performer, above the technicalities of some of his moves, there's just some others that are hard to get over, they are just mesmerizing to watch. Ofc I'm not the only person that thinks that and I've noticed many younger kpop idols that have mentioned they like Kai tend to focus on the same things Kai do which ofc sometimes leads them to lack in the same things Kai does... You said something like people copying this style could lead to less types of dancing but I'm not sure 🤔 it seems to me like if his influence was even bigger than it is it could actually be the opposite and create a new different type of dancing with its own strengths and weaknesses
His moves are incredible tho. Relaxed, smooth, and extremely flexible. Try to compare they performed Don't go, try to watch from different pov, you'll see how amazing Kai is.
Hey ! I stumbled on your channel and I am glad I did ! I've been interested in k-pop and in dancing for a few years now, always watching and rewatching dance videos, wether it be k-pop dance practices, dance videos from reknown (or less known) choreographers or battles. I think your analysis are really interesting and that your explanations are well thought and delivered in a clear and comprehensive way. Anyways, looking forward to your next videos !! Cheers
I just found out your channel and I'm so obsessed! There are so few k-pop oriented EDUCATIONAL channels, so thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us! I'm so happy to learn more on this. And as thank you for specifically this video as EXO-L ❤
i really wanna thank u for giving lay this credit finally i really dont see a lot of people talking about him , ive always wanted people to see how much he keeps working and improving , + i would just want to add that he had a really bad back injury too that could affect him doing some moves more smoothly
I love your videos. I have a question, why does kai's dance look somehow the same even though they dance different styles? In my eyes who doesn't know much about dance, when he dances hip hop or modern dance it doesn't seem to be any different. Is it because of the tensions?. (Sorry for my English, I'm still learning).
He has very specific stylistic choices and habits (one of them being tension like you said). It looks similar regardless of the dance style because he always brings his "own" style into the choreo. English isn't my first language either (makes it super scary to post videos haha) so don't worry, you're fine!
Baekhyun is a decent dancer for a main vocalist who never dance before joining SM. His dancing is improved a lot and he is a great performer. His dancing is so fun to watch. Among main vocalists in kpop, he is one who dances well.
HI! Thank you for your inspiring contents; they are always so spot on, well-made, and entertaining! However, I think when the narration is only in writing, like in the big 3 gg video, it’s more fun to watch because we can hear the songs while we see members dance! Just my preference tho. Anyway good work!!
Hi there! Thanks for the video first off ❤ it’s hard finding a thorough dance analysis of EXO. Can you further explain what you mean at around 3:17 when you say “harmonious” in the context of rhythm? The wording feels a little vague to me so explanation would be appreciated 😊
That there isn't anything that "sticks out" in a bad way, for example some dancers with a good sense for rythm dance bigger or more energetic than it would make sense for some songs/choreos/groups
Kai is a better performer dan dancer. Try to watch don't go and compare them side by side. Kai's moves are smooth, more relaxed and extremely more flexible than Lay.
This Channel Owner is ARMY who only use thousand praise words for BTS and only try to find negative points on other groups. So biased. See ... she didn't point out flaw of each BTS members and praised whole group with high flow words.
Is there another group you would like to see a ranking for?
I want to make a video about the differences between girl group and boy group dancing, not just technically, but also the history behind it, the reception from fans, how problematic it is and how I think it will evolve in the future - is this something that sounds interesting?
yes!! I honestly can't stand most girl group choreo but love it when the members perform boy group stuff in official performances or just when they're messing around in the studio! I'm not sure if girl groups are trying to appeal to the male gaze and thus limit their range of expression or if my distaste has something to do with preferring certain styles over others
Sound like and interesting video, an enhypen or txt ranking would be cool
stray kids!!
I think a SEVENTEEN dance ranking would be really interesting since all the members seem to be great dancers!
this video idea sounds great ! NCT ranking would be interesting but thats a pretty big task lol
I think Kai can be stated as one of the best idol dancers, whereas Lay can be put as the better 'dancer' dancer. If you told me to send either Kai or Lay do a dancing competition, I'd send Lay, but if you told me to choose a dancer to capture all the attention of the audience, I'd choose Kai.
Kai is more a performer
You just say that cause of his face
Kai is a better dancer than Lay lol. For example you can watch they performed Don't Go, but you can watch Kai or Lay focus. Kai is more flexible, smooth, relaxed.
@@moonlightelf591lol kai is a better performer.
Lay is a better technical dancer
Kai just stand out cuz he is an explosive dancer and his facial expressions
@@adeley9318 Dance should be explosive. Not Lazy like Lay was doing in Don't Go.
Even if he tries, his moves were never smooth and relaxed as Kai's.
It was Lay’s Growl Fancam that ushered me to learn dancing. His dancing is just sublime. While I adore Kai for the stage presence, watching Lay and his subtle moves that perfectly capture the mood of the song is a blast. Like you can see his personality pour out in his dancing.
Oooooh. Such a good vid. ❤ I remember this interview where D.O. was caught trying to dance like Kai. The dance trainer scolded him harshly and yelled at him that the style was not for him and to not dance like Kai. I was kind of sad for him and thought it was kinda mean? But now I kinda think the trainer saw that he was better in the groovy- style dancing instead of clean, sharp lines. He definitely has the musicality for it.
I'd like to see that video. I hope you or anyone can share the link or atleast help me search for it.
That is why I want a Kai and Lay subunit
Both are amazing dancer and both of them deserve the first place.
They music taste and dance technique would shake the kpop/cpop community
SO happy to have stumbled upon your channel! 100% agree with everything in this video, xiumin is deeply underrated within exo and d.o. has so much untapped natural talent 🙏🏻
can't wait for an nct ranking video, that's one i'm often torn on!
Finally watched it!
Even tho Lay is my bias and favourite dancer in the group, I think overall (taking into account not just one style and every aspect) Kai and Lay are on the same level, I literally cannot put one before the other. Interestingly they are as much on the same level as they are different.
I just prefer Lay because I admire so much his mindset of constant improvement but really him and Kai are both amazing dancers.
Probably (if we don't count SuperM) the best duo of main dancers in the industry.
Hi, I'll (hopefully) post my hybe video today, though I'm not super happy about the way the jhope/jimin part turned out. Since I know you have a different opinions from mine, I wondered if you would write a counter/response sort of comment (maybe under the pinned comment) , so that people can also see a different pov on the debate? Only if you want to obviously haha
@facts in fiction Oh I know that your opinion is different but I'm super curious to watch the video! I can't imagine the work you put behind those videos.
Anyway, yeah, for sure, I don't know when I'll write it and when I'll watch it but asap. I'm already sorry for my English lol
Wow, I always thought Baekhyun & Xiumin >> Sehun in dance, this channel most accurate even compare to open style dancing
right? i watched each member fancam and i think after Lay didnt join EXO's performance, Xiumin could be main dancer with Kai. but Baekhyun cant be main dancer just bc he is main vocal which mean he has to sing more.
Again random weird tangent but I’d really love if someone could shed some light on DO’s tap dancing! He’s had to do it for a movie and he mentioned how much he enjoyed it so I was curious to see how far his technique has developed there. But I have next to no knowledge of tap dancing so I really can’t tell 😢
Also funny that you should bring up Lay’s veil dance practice I have been OBSESSED with this set of kids (esp zhen zhen the one in the middle) doing a cover to it: ua-cam.com/video/Wod3fert-V8/v-deo.html
Like no shade to Lay at all (he did really well, though i personally tend to prefer a bit more groove and relaxation in these sorts of choreos) I am not comparing. I am just so hyped for how good they are (and Zhen zhen is like 10/11? How much potential does this kid have 😳)
As an exo fan pretty much since their debut I agree with you, specially about sehun, some of his fan can get mad but is true, the example of the legs was pretty good, thanks for the video
d.o likely has that posture to maintain alignment in his vocal technique~ he may not be singing but it becomes muscle memory so priorities y’know
I really am curious to know what you think of the members dancing ability in Soda Cream era, seems they have been improving :)
Yes we need an update!!
I always knew Xiumin was a gem
finally some xiumin appreciation! he doesn't have the sort of magnetic natural charisma a lot of the other exo members have, so he tends to not stand out as much. but his dancing is really great! i am always puzzled when he isn't included in conversations abt exo's dancing
The observations makes sense. I used to always wonder why I am not as impressed with SH's dancing skills granting that he is lead dancer.. but you pointed out what i couldnt put to words. Indeed he does look like he is more of concentrated on executing the choreo and sometimes looks disconnected when dancing. I hope you could do more of this. Kudos to you
Please do BTS' too. just like Exo's Kai and Lay there's always debates on which member is better between Jimin and Jhope.
You can watch the Hybe video where I'm also discussing BTS members!
I get it with kai, i think he's someone who have distinct dance style and indeed choose this particular specific style as his signature. You can see in his solo project where all has 3 title track has strong sharp, and clean dance choreos. Recently i watched choreography draft for rover on smp floor and it actually more wild(?) and groovy than final result. Kai made it clean, sharp, and added fluidity to the choreo and it's so interesting. It's pretty fun to watch him dancing to another groups or gg choreos with his own style. It got me like "oh that's kai dance" memored on my brain.
Also with sehun i always notice how sometimes he lose control/balance with his feet. Many times ppl said he is also exo main dancer and i always correcting myself like didnt his position was a lead? Cause idk kai's and lay's skill in term of dancing is on the top, i don't think his skill is on the same level as them although his also good.
Woah thank you for making this. As a dancer myself, I was first captivated by Kai because of his smooth, sexy choreo in Love Shot. Eventually, I found my way to Lay who has shown a variety of dancing skills as someone who watched him in street dance of china seasons 3 and 4. Sadly, he is quite underrated as he has not performed with the group for years. Also, I have never realized until you pointed out that EXO's choreo have krumping incorporated since their debut.
xiumin is so underrated, at least compared to his members
I'll never get tired of seeing the number 1 next to Lay's name
recently ive noticed i tend to like groovy dances more, so it makes sense why D.O. is my bias ❤❤❤ imho D.O. is one of those people thats good at anything he does
i was wondering if you’ve watched baekhyun’s fancams during love me right or kokobop? he definitely has groove in his moves. but thanks for the fun video!
You did such a wholesome analysis, couldn't have agreed more with ur opinions
Also could you please do one for NCT, ik there's a lot of members but you may just do for the top ones you prefer
Great analysis!!
I do have a crazy opinion tho... yk Kai is not great at open style but he is widely recognized as a great dancer and performer, above the technicalities of some of his moves, there's just some others that are hard to get over, they are just mesmerizing to watch.
Ofc I'm not the only person that thinks that and I've noticed many younger kpop idols that have mentioned they like Kai tend to focus on the same things Kai do which ofc sometimes leads them to lack in the same things Kai does...
You said something like people copying this style could lead to less types of dancing but I'm not sure 🤔 it seems to me like if his influence was even bigger than it is it could actually be the opposite and create a new different type of dancing with its own strengths and weaknesses
His moves are incredible tho. Relaxed, smooth, and extremely flexible. Try to compare they performed Don't go, try to watch from different pov, you'll see how amazing Kai is.
Hey ! I stumbled on your channel and I am glad I did ! I've been interested in k-pop and in dancing for a few years now, always watching and rewatching dance videos, wether it be k-pop dance practices, dance videos from reknown (or less known) choreographers or battles. I think your analysis are really interesting and that your explanations are well thought and delivered in a clear and comprehensive way.
Anyways, looking forward to your next videos !! Cheers
I just found out your channel and I'm so obsessed! There are so few k-pop oriented EDUCATIONAL channels, so thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us! I'm so happy to learn more on this. And as thank you for specifically this video as EXO-L ❤
i really wanna thank u for giving lay this credit finally i really dont see a lot of people talking about him , ive always wanted people to see how much he keeps working and improving , + i would just want to add that he had a really bad back injury too that could affect him doing some moves more smoothly
I love your videos. I have a question, why does kai's dance look somehow the same even though they dance different styles? In my eyes who doesn't know much about dance, when he dances hip hop or modern dance it doesn't seem to be any different. Is it because of the tensions?. (Sorry for my English, I'm still learning).
He has very specific stylistic choices and habits (one of them being tension like you said). It looks similar regardless of the dance style because he always brings his "own" style into the choreo.
English isn't my first language either (makes it super scary to post videos haha) so don't worry, you're fine!
@@facts_in_fiction your videos are so eloquent!! i would have never guessed that you’re not a native english speaker
@@ulamme thank you so much!
Baekhyun is a decent dancer for a main vocalist who never dance before joining SM. His dancing is improved a lot and he is a great performer. His dancing is so fun to watch. Among main vocalists in kpop, he is one who dances well.
Rank SuperM!
HI! Thank you for your inspiring contents; they are always so spot on, well-made, and entertaining! However, I think when the narration is only in writing, like in the big 3 gg video, it’s more fun to watch because we can hear the songs while we see members dance! Just my preference tho. Anyway good work!!
I missed Lay 😢
I MISS LAY
Thank you so much for this! I really wanna see one for NCT because I swear a lot of them, including the vocalists, are amazing dancers. ❤️
can you do nct 127?
Kai can tell stories through his dancing for me he is better.
@@LiaBraedt when you are making art through the dance and the audience feels somenthing the tecnique does not matter.
@@lorecelt That's true but let's not minimize Kai's technique, he is a top tier dancer regardless of stage presence and facial expressions.
Baekhyun not groovy? Lol his sense of rhythm and groove is why his dancing is good
How can I pay for content like this? Please keep it going!
Hi there! Thanks for the video first off ❤ it’s hard finding a thorough dance analysis of EXO. Can you further explain what you mean at around 3:17 when you say “harmonious” in the context of rhythm? The wording feels a little vague to me so explanation would be appreciated 😊
That there isn't anything that "sticks out" in a bad way, for example some dancers with a good sense for rythm dance bigger or more energetic than it would make sense for some songs/choreos/groups
I‘d be interested to see a ranking on the best male / female dancers generally of kpop from u
Agreed! Would love for you to do a SNSD one.
How would you rank vixx and shinee
please do nct one too! appreciate your videos
Damn I love your vids, as a frustrated dancer I love to see your point of view, can you do a bts analysis?
I made one for multiple hybe groups as my most recent video, including bts
Yes Baekhyun really from not being in the dance line to top says a lot of how hardworking and talented he is
Hello can you do a new one. I feel like for all (except lay) there are some changes and development in skills.
how to know a person still has the potential at his own age like above 16 or somewhat?
I would love for you to do an analysis on NCT!! but they're like too many dudes so like just nct dream since they're the strongest unit in dance?
damn i miss so much lay in exo so much, it feel like the fandom and the group is not complete without him.
Dance wise lay is slightly better. Performance wise, kai is kai yk?
Kai is better performer than dancer
@@LiaBraedt that is what i meant
Kai is a better performer dan dancer.
Try to watch don't go and compare them side by side. Kai's moves are smooth, more relaxed and extremely more flexible than Lay.
@@moonlightelf591kai is not relaxed he is always tense he is not flexibity
@@adeley9318 ua-cam.com/video/so3xap5Z71Y/v-deo.htmlsi=okBEhQCDtg7Uc-za
Is that looks tense to you?
I would be really interested I. A Super M ranking
Omg, could you make a dance analysis video of nct? 😿💗
rank dreamcatcher please!!
I love your videos! I'm sure I'm not the first person to ask, but I'd love to see an analysis of the BTS members' dance abilities! ♡
I'm currently editing a video on bts/txt/enhypen (in the style of my big3 gg video) so that will be next!
@@facts_in_fiction Awesome! I'm looking forward to it :)
this was very interesting! thank you
Hi
Great video
Can we please get an analysis on exo and bts together? I enjoyed watching this video. Exol here ❤
This Channel Owner is ARMY who only use thousand praise words for BTS and only try to find negative points on other groups.
So biased.
See ... she didn't point out flaw of each BTS members and praised whole group with high flow words.
She is not an army 💀💀 that is another channel
As a Kyungsoo and Lay bias I 100% agree with your analysis!