I still have this handwinch. About 20 years ago I bought it and me and my brother managed to winch out a nissan patrol. It took a lot of time, but it worked
I was introduced to my first come along in the seventies. I must have worn out 5-6 of them by now. A friend said you have more pull by hand than with an average vehicle. True story. Lots of cables or chain is also a must. A must have !
I am actually grateful for this video - I was searching for winch solution that is not a heavy electric winch attached to either end of my vehicle, since I would like to be able to use it on whichever end it's necessary at the moment and stationary electric winches are also rather expensive. But I even did not know about such system with lever - found out thanks to Your video and going to buy soon. Cheers, mate!
In case it helps anyone else who does not want the weight and cost of an electric winch and a winch compatable bull bar, I can 'second' that the come along solution is definitely the way to go, if like me, you're just into off roading mainly to get to your target camp site and/or hunting/ fishing spot. I never go looking for exciting off road challenges so needing to use an electric winch has been, and will hopefully remain an extreme rarity, particularly given I carry 4 m@xtr@cs. That said I travel alone in remote areas, so wanted the peace of mind to be able to do a self recovery...both rear and front pulls. To that end, my kit includes some additional items. The first is two 30 meter dyneema winch ropes ( both ends of each spliced to include stainless tube thimbles) and a snatch block, which approximately doubles the pull power of the come along. For ease and neatness of storage, each rope is stored on a repurposed injection moulded electric extension lead "tidy". Each tidy has had a hole drilled in it's centre point, to take a stick, screw driver or similar object to allow rotational feeding and recovery of the rope without inducing coiling.....very bad for plaited dyneema. Yes, the double line pull halves the maximum distance you can pull the vehicle before the come along cable has to be reset (that is to say, have its cable run back out to full extension), but the extra pull power is needed for breaking out of sucking mud. I also carry 4 light but strong wheel chocks and even when the ground is flat around the vehicle, at least two chocks are manually advanced back to behind the tyres at regular intervals during each segment of the overall necessary recovery distance. In that connection (ha ha?), I also carry a 5 mtr drag chain at all times for clearing logs off the track, but the chain, very importantly, also allows me to reset the come along multiple times, without having to look for a new anchor point. The drag chain is incorporated into the double line pull. One end is attached to a shackle in the middle of the equaliser strap, and the other onto the come along end hook. The other come along hook engages onto the end loop thimble of one of the winch ropes which runs out to the snatch block and then back to the middle of the equaliser strap. The end loop thimble of the second winch rope is connected to the eye of the snatch block and is then run out to the tree protector/anchor strap. Before the first come along pull is commenced, this rope can be safely shortened to take out all slack by looping backward and forward between the shackle at the tree protector and the shackle at the snatch block eye. Any small amount of residual, final slack, is taken up by wrapping it neatly around the tree protector strap and shackling the end loop thimble onto the tree protector shackle. At the start of the recovery, the 5mtr chain is extended to close to its mamimum length. At the end of each come along pull i.e. when its cable drum is full, the wheel chocks are all moved in snug and double checked, before the come along cable is released and run back out to full extension. The chain is then shortened by increasing the distance it hooks back onto itself, thereby taking up the 'slack' created during the previous pull. Finally, also in case it helps someone with the same problem I had, I should mention rated recovery points. My MUX came fitted with a non- winch compatible alloy bull bar which was connected such that retrofitting of after-market steel recovery points was impossible, unless I ditched the alloy bar....... not an option cause the bar is essential protection in the event of road animal strike. The solution to allow any future unavoidable front pull recovery, came in the form of a pair of 12,000kg rated Soft Recovery Points. These are 1.4 mtr long loops made from the same material high quality soft shackle are made from. I covered both loops with winch rope protection sock resulting in only a small end loop protruding out of each end. I am able to thread each soft recovery point around behind the chassis members that the solid steel recovery points would have bolted into. When not needed, the two soft recovery 'loops' reside in my recovery gear bag.
Your use case (solo backcountry travel to access remote lakes/fishing) is why I'm here and looking to put together my own emergency self rescue kit. Thanks for sharing all that detail in what you are doing! Really appreciate it!
@@craigatkinson8418 Your most welcome. I was a bit worried I'd gone into too much detail, but I for one, have often been a bit frustrated when I spent ages trying to find a specific "how to..." posting, only to be left guessing how to bring it all together. That said, here I go again (lol). Since posting the above detail, I have made some more additions and substitutions directed at making my recovery kit much lighter and safer. I purchased a third, budget grade, 30mtr long dyneema 10,500kg rated winch rope off ebay. After researching on UA-cam, I cut this into 2.5mtr lengths and made myself six soft shackles; all fitted along each ones full length, with winch rope protection sock. All six were made using the method wherein, after the Chinese button knot cannot be tightened up any more, each of the two tag ends are rat-tailed, then 'buried' in the respective standing parallel legs of the shackle. This design of soft shackle, despite in this case being home made, has a minmum rating of at least 1.5 times the single rope's WLL ......which calculates to say around 15,000kgs ..... more than adequate and at least as good as the dangerous steel bow shackles they have replaced, and at a fraction of the weight. The original dyneema rope cost me around 70 Australian dollars and is long enough to provide rope for at least 10 soft shackles. Given the cheapest of commercially available, comprable rated soft shackle, retails for at least 50 Australian dollars, the huge saving is obvious. I also 'lashed out' with my budget and purchased a soft shackle friendly, high quality alloy rear recovery hitch and a high quality alloy snatch ring, to replace my old solid steel hitch and my old style steel snatch block. Again, the budget winch rope provided the material necessary for me to make one slightly longer, but still fully sheathed soft shackle, for specific use in supporting the new snatch ring. The expenditure on the two alloy changeovers was admittedly much more than a lot of people might wish to spend, but it was/is still a small fraction of the upfront cost of an electric winch, an all steel winch compatible bull bar and modified/upgraded front suspension to deal with the added front weight..... not to mention the ensuing loss of fuel economy and ...... very importantly for me, the big bite these heavy add-ons would take out of my MUX's maximum safe payload. Now the heaviest component of my revovery gear is the drag chain, but that stays on board regardless. Thus my gear bag is at least 50% lighter and more pleasant to handle and store. Hope this helps and wishing you safe and rewarding outdoor experiences.
Great video, I'm about to buy a hand winch. I would like to suggest that you use a winch cable blanket for safety if anything breaks under load. They are not expensive and even a jacket over the cable/strap works. Best wishes from Australia
Thank you for your comment Paul! You are right, I totally forgot about this simple but very effective safety measure. Don't forget to train with your hand winch before using it in real "Bad" conditions!
Excellent video. That's really smart to try out techniques in a controlled scenario so you're familiar with everything when the time comes for real. I need to do more of that. Having some kind of winching capability is wise. I carry traction boards and a snatch strap (and tend to be extra cautious when out by myself) but I should probably be carrying something like this as well. Thanks for the interesting and informative episode!
Thank you and you are welcome ! Recovery boards, snatch strap and winching capability is a nice combo ! You can do pretty much everything with that ! But indeed, you have to know how to use them, so a good training is always welcome !
actually the second time I've watched this video (spread across about 6 months) still haven't had to use my hand winch yet, but I've practiced more with my rigging now and I'm feeling pretty confident Gonna make sure I find a chance to test a couple of different simple rigging setups this fall before winter snows come in! thanks for making a useful video worth watching twice and also your car is SICK, I remember it from last time and I still love it.
I have used that type of 'low cost' winch in the past. The handle is a weak point and it bends easily, and the wire cable isn't the strongest. So maybe ok for 'very light' vehicles but if you are serious then buy a serious winch. Also use a cable damper/blanket in case the cable lets go. Get a hi-Lift Jack or a purpose built recovery winch. The vehicle can be replaced, your body parts might not be..
You are right mate 😉 On this hand winch the handle have some reinforcement, a friend of mine have the same and used it several times without any issues. I definitely forgot the damper in this video... Bad move but I'm here to learn! I had a Hilift and sold it. Way to heavy, not usable on a stock forester and it's also dangerous if not careful (like any recovery gear I recon) Thanks you for your nice tips 😉
Nice setup. One thing I'd suggest to add Is a treesaver. I get you gotta do what you gotta do in a pinch, but it's a best practice to try to follow a leave no trace policy. Recovery on a tree without one can cut through the bark and kill it, worst case if it's a thinner or weaker tree it can break through it and you'll have all that tension flying back at you
Thought I'd post an update to my earlier comments; again in case it helps any fellow campers, fishermen and/or hunters who are not looking to spend the money on an electric winch, compatible steel bull bar and the expense of upgraded front suspension to deal with the added (140kg plus) weight on the front of your vehicle. Moreover, while reverse and sideways pulls are technically possible using a front mounted electric winch, the additional ropes, snatch blocks and/or snatch rings are typically onerous to deploy, expensive and risky; particularly if your on your own. That said, I have retained all of my recovery gear mentioned in my previous postings, but I have now changed out my 2,700kg pull capacity, steel cable based come along for a WS More Power Puller (WSMPP) fitted with Amsteel blue synthetic rope and added an X-lock winch rope shortening fitting to the kit. The new hand winch can do a single line pull out to 10m at 2,700kg and with it's own snatch hook included with the unit, can do a 5m double line pull up to 5,400 kg. By incorporating my snatch ring, dyneema extension ropes, X-lock and a winch handle extension, I can exert up to 10,800 kg! ...yep the same grunt as a 24,000lb electric winch ( the largest typically fitted to a recreational SUV being 12,000lb). Yes the hand winch upgrade was not cheap, and of course, is still a slow alternative, but given it weighs only 10.8 kg and the outlay was less than one fifth of what I would have parted with for the electric alternative along with a bb and suspension upgrade, I'm happy with no reduction in fuel economy, ride characteristics, or maximum permissible pay load. All that said, the single greatest encentive for the change in winch is I can now do up to a 5m uninterrupted triple line pull at up to 10,800kgs, whereas my original come along gave an unacceptable maximum uninterrupted pull of 0.75m during a double line pull at a maximum of 5,400 kg. By the way, this set up kills a steel cable based Tirfor hand winch; in terms of cost, weight and safety. Finally, I have the benefit of being able to use my new hand winch for a host of projects requiring deadlifting up to 6,000lbs and pulls up to 12,000lbs. Hopes this helps someone and please think "safety" first and "recovery" second!
Nice one, I was a bit afraid about the length of the steel cable. But that is ok. I would suggest to put a blanket, jacket or a winch line patch on top. If the cable snaps, the kinetic energy will be taken in by the security feature
I would suggest investing in Hi-Lift jack. Alongside self winching, you can lift the wheel to put the track under it (which in my experience was even more important than winching the vehicle)
Hey ! I had a Hi-lift jack and didn't liked it. Way to heavy and dangerous. And it's a bit hard to lift a subie with it. I have a bottle jack, I can put it everywhere I want under the car. And now I can also winch the foz ON the recovery boards 😉
@@ALNSMOVERLAND you are right, you have no points to put the highlift jack on plastic bumpers, an air cushion is probably even easier to lift the car. your winch will put you out of a ditch just fine. splitting the force between the eyes seems a bit over the top with a small handwinch?
I know someone mentioned using a blanket(!) but you should also should remove the shackle from the winch hook. It's not necessary and is only adding an extra potential 'ammunition' to cause you injury. Just hook directly onto the tree truck protector loops. If your hook isn't big enough you obviously have no choice. Either way i also recommend a length of pipe to slide over and extend your winch handle for better leverage and safety.
Thank you for the tips ! the handle extension is an absolutely great idea ! For the extra shackle, that's because the hook wasn't big enough yes. Thanks again for your useful and constructive comment, UA-cam needs more guys like you 👊
@@ALNSMOVERLAND Aw thank you - likewise! I found your video because i'm looking to avoid fitting an electric winch on a new 4x4, purely because i don't like how the additional weight of a winch + winch bull bar affects handling and fuel consumption. I also have a lot of friends with either winches or snatch straps which helps! ;) Anyway I've done quite a lot of 4wd-ing here in Australia and have used your winch before. On a muddy hill when you're ACTUALLY stuck and the diff has bottomed out you're going to realise just how difficult hand winching with your setup actually is. If i am to go down this route i'll be looking into adding a snatch block potentially with a dynema extension and that extension handle i mentioned is an absolute must...and a shovel...and max tracks ;) Have fun out there and be safe!
hand winches often get forgotton about because they are not a cool as having an electric winch on the front. but if you do the type of driving ahere getting stuck is a possibility rather than a regular occurance they are a very good option. a lot less weight and cost less too
Good question. You can play with the length of the handwinch cable and also the length of your strap by making a U with it. Best thing is to have couple more tow straps with different lengths for different situations 😉
Add just one Block and Tackle and you wouldn't need the handwinch at all. Throw the Message/Force line over a large overhead tree branch and use your bodyweight as a winch (choke up the slack by wrapping it around your waist).
Towards the end of the video I noticed in the back of the truck a couple of orange spiked boards. Are those for helping traction under the wheels if you get stuck?
I second the High Lift Jack, awesome tool. Come-alongs are also a great tool to carry, so useful for many different tasks (off-road AND around the shop), I've been meaning to add a small come-along to my ADV motorcycle as well since it weighs well over 400lbs (even before I load it down with camp gear for a trip) and I weigh about 165, LOL! Great video, my friend :D
Look into making a z-drag. Much lighter, compact, and versatile for motorcycles. There's a few commercial kits as well. I made one out of dyneema/amsteel rope, 2 climbing pulleys, a couple carabiners, and a 2 polyester tree hugger straps (for hammocks.) Its good for a 3 to 1 theoretical mechanical advantage, meaning with your weight alone at 165 you can move at least ~500 pounds AND you can operate it while pulling from on/next to the bike if you wish instead of inline with the load. Plus all the kit doubles as tow straps/ropes.
Great video, but aren't you supposed to place the side where line retracts facing the item you are pulling and the fixed side of the come along attached to the fixed object???
Hi bro whats the name of the devices or tools that u used for recovering your forester? I want to buy for my 4x2 pickup, and btw i subscribed to ur vid because its very helpful cheers for that🎉😊
Good job friend. The winch is a real game changer. Only suggestion is that you get industrial velcro or some other type of tie down for all your gear. If you had a roll over or had to hard brake, you dont want all your stuff hitting you in the head.
Awesome, I love it! I don't have any type of winch but I do have Maxtrax and I usually travel with a friend so we could use snatch straps which we have if we need. Good stuff keep it up!
I enjoy your videos alot.... decades ago in my school a kid was killed by a tool box smashing his head in when the car he was traveling in rolled over in a ditch. I carry alot of stuff in my cars but I secure everything, and i believe doing this has saved my life when i had a head on collision. You need a cargo barrier in that jalopy of yours lol.
Hey man, nice channel, i have the same Subaru used for light offroad. Can you give more info about the straps ratings? I found similar lifting straps in truck webshop, and they have colour codes like violet, green, yellow, gray, red, brown, blue, orange with ratings of 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10< Tons straight pull working limits (safe ratio 7:1). How did you calculate this, which you use?
For these kind of straps I don't really calculate the rating. If it's more than 5T it's good for me! Most of them ré rated for 8/10T. It's for a Snatch Strap that you have to be careful with the rating! Especially with a lightweight SUV. 😉
Very useful! I would like to ask, how the hand winch will work, if the Forester or vehicle weighted aprx. 2 tones is stuck in mud (deep mud) or snow? Will be hard to get out of it?
@@rienkhoek4169by simply adding a block and tackle inline, you cut the necessary input pulling force by up to 40% while simultaneously exponentially increasing the output pulling force. This would have decreased the workload on the come-along while drastically increasing its pulling efficiency. This simple addition could've in all liklihood prevented the come-along failure you described. The physics behind leveraging load advantage is a fascinating topic, especially when seen in action.
great video but it would have been much better if you could have got the car actually stuck in the mud I saw a grate video of someone who got stuck in the middle of a muddy field and the recovery guys had to pull it for a at least 50 meters took them ages but they did it in the end.
Nice video ALNSM. If you wanted to look into a safer and stronger hand winch, have a look at these Wyeth Scott More Power Pullers. This video link (ua-cam.com/video/_7UkpOPxm2k/v-deo.html) shows one in use, pulling a 2 tonne 4WD Ute, with the handbrake on, up a 20 degree slope. These winches use synthetic rope (11 m of pull) and have a safety handle that bends before load capacity is reached. I think it would be a good addition to your kit. Cheers
Yeah my uncle got his John Deere 3032e tractor stuck in the back of the woods behind his house on a trail he bought this out tied it not a tree and just got on the gas a little and we got it out
At 1:55 you say that you see vehicle recovery just as first aid Today, in the war in Ukraine they see a method for recovery just as important as a soldier’s first aid kit, you were right
Will tire-chains keep you from getting stuck? Do you need a 4WD if you just put on chains when you think you need them? ua-cam.com/video/CzUIVLWnn5U/v-deo.html Maybe this? (not sponsored) ua-cam.com/video/asLaJjHk04A/v-deo.html + come-along work ua-cam.com/video/K1MfZad6Z1Y/v-deo.html
Very professional video other than music. It is not necessary and distracting. Also, it made your instructions difficult to hear when they were at a point where they were close to music.
Bravo et merci. Cela sera tres utile a beaucoup de gens sachant que maintenant l on ne peut avoir de winch sur les nouveaux vehicules car cela changerait la face avant et ils ne seront plus conforme pour la protection des pietons.
Am I the only one who feel catastrophic dangerous on the video ... Have you got the any idea How much elastic energy is accumulated on your recovery metal wire ? ?? and you are still in the potential effective location that metal wire can rip your arm off during your recover process in the case wire get disconnected . scary !!!!!
Nice of you to show the come-along in action; there is also a land anchor for where there is no tree; but the B E S T thing is to have a friend in another "jeep" off roading with you; you risk a lot when you're alone; And i see that you are not much of a mechanic; lights on and wipers on and I D L I N G ...maybe? some situations may take an hour or more,that may kill your battery,car dies,and then you can't restart it. Ask me how i know...from rescuing people like that; you see,alternators do not charge much at idle to begin with, some do not actually charge at idle with the lights on!!!,why R I S K it! You have a cell phone,you know how battery fails if it's not charging ,so conserve energy. (I know this aggressive comment will end up helping someone).
Hey mate, thanks for your comment. Don't worry it wasn't aggressive and you got a point ! I actually never thought about killing the battery with the engine on. I now have a auxilary battery and a voltage monitor for both batteries. seem like my alternator charge them even when idling ;)
I think u covered the basics. No sense in nit picking every common sense detail like “you don’t have a flashlight. It might be dark, blah blah. If you don’t have common sense then you should not leave the home.
They can pull everything they are rated for. A tree, a fence or a vehicle. High lift jack doesn't make sens if you can't use it as a jack on your vehicle.
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I still have this handwinch. About 20 years ago I bought it and me and my brother managed to winch out a nissan patrol. It took a lot of time, but it worked
Yes, they are pretty useful and last longing tools!
I was introduced to my first come along in the seventies. I must have worn out 5-6 of them by now. A friend said you have more pull by hand than with an average vehicle. True story. Lots of cables or chain is also a must. A must have !
I am actually grateful for this video - I was searching for winch solution that is not a heavy electric winch attached to either end of my vehicle, since I would like to be able to use it on whichever end it's necessary at the moment and stationary electric winches are also rather expensive. But I even did not know about such system with lever - found out thanks to Your video and going to buy soon. Cheers, mate!
Awesome! 😁 Seems like you were in the same situation as me... The handwinch is a very good compromise for self recovery!
Glad it helped 🙏
In case it helps anyone else who does not want the weight and cost of an electric winch and a winch compatable bull bar, I can 'second' that the come along solution is definitely the way to go, if like me, you're just into off roading mainly to get to your target camp site and/or hunting/ fishing spot. I never go looking for exciting off road challenges so needing to use an electric winch has been, and will hopefully remain an extreme rarity, particularly given I carry 4 m@xtr@cs. That said I travel alone in remote areas, so wanted the peace of mind to be able to do a self recovery...both rear and front pulls. To that end, my kit includes some additional items. The first is two 30 meter dyneema winch ropes ( both ends of each spliced to include stainless tube thimbles) and a snatch block, which approximately doubles the pull power of the come along. For ease and neatness of storage, each rope is stored on a repurposed injection moulded electric extension lead "tidy". Each tidy has had a hole drilled in it's centre point, to take a stick, screw driver or similar object to allow rotational feeding and recovery of the rope without inducing coiling.....very bad for plaited dyneema. Yes, the double line pull halves the maximum distance you can pull the vehicle before the come along cable has to be reset (that is to say, have its cable run back out to full extension), but the extra pull power is needed for breaking out of sucking mud. I also carry 4 light but strong wheel chocks and even when the ground is flat around the vehicle, at least two chocks are manually advanced back to behind the tyres at regular intervals during each segment of the overall necessary recovery distance. In that connection (ha ha?), I also carry a 5 mtr drag chain at all times for clearing logs off the track, but the chain, very importantly, also allows me to reset the come along multiple times, without having to look for a new anchor point. The drag chain is incorporated into the double line pull. One end is attached to a shackle in the middle of the equaliser strap, and the other onto the come along end hook. The other come along hook engages onto the end loop thimble of one of the winch ropes which runs out to the snatch block and then back to the middle of the equaliser strap. The end loop thimble of the second winch rope is connected to the eye of the snatch block and is then run out to the tree protector/anchor strap. Before the first come along pull is commenced, this rope can be safely shortened to take out all slack by looping backward and forward between the shackle at the tree protector and the shackle at the snatch block eye. Any small amount of residual, final slack, is taken up by wrapping it neatly around the tree protector strap and shackling the end loop thimble onto the tree protector shackle. At the start of the recovery, the 5mtr chain is extended to close to its mamimum length. At the end of each come along pull i.e. when its cable drum is full, the wheel chocks are all moved in snug and double checked, before the come along cable is released and run back out to full extension. The chain is then shortened by increasing the distance it hooks back onto itself, thereby taking up the 'slack' created during the previous pull. Finally, also in case it helps someone with the same problem I had, I should mention rated recovery points. My MUX came fitted with a non- winch compatible alloy bull bar which was connected such that retrofitting of after-market steel recovery points was impossible, unless I ditched the alloy bar....... not an option cause the bar is essential protection in the event of road animal strike. The solution to allow any future unavoidable front pull recovery, came in the form of a pair of 12,000kg rated Soft Recovery Points. These are 1.4 mtr long loops made from the same material high quality soft shackle are made from. I covered both loops with winch rope protection sock resulting in only a small end loop protruding out of each end. I am able to thread each soft recovery point around behind the chassis members that the solid steel recovery points would have bolted into. When not needed, the two soft recovery 'loops' reside in my recovery gear bag.
Your use case (solo backcountry travel to access remote lakes/fishing) is why I'm here and looking to put together my own emergency self rescue kit. Thanks for sharing all that detail in what you are doing! Really appreciate it!
@@craigatkinson8418 Your most welcome. I was a bit worried I'd gone into too much detail, but I for one, have often been a bit frustrated when I spent ages trying to find a specific "how to..." posting, only to be left guessing how to bring it all together. That said, here I go again (lol).
Since posting the above detail, I have made some more additions and substitutions directed at making my recovery kit much lighter and safer. I purchased a third, budget grade, 30mtr long dyneema 10,500kg rated winch rope off ebay. After researching on UA-cam, I cut this into 2.5mtr lengths and made myself six soft shackles; all fitted along each ones full length, with winch rope protection sock. All six were made using the method wherein, after the Chinese button knot cannot be tightened up any more, each of the two tag ends are rat-tailed, then 'buried' in the respective standing parallel legs of the shackle. This design of soft shackle, despite in this case being home made, has a minmum rating of at least 1.5 times the single rope's WLL ......which calculates to say around 15,000kgs ..... more than adequate and at least as good as the dangerous steel bow shackles they have replaced, and at a fraction of the weight. The original dyneema rope cost me around 70 Australian dollars and is long enough to provide rope for at least 10 soft shackles. Given the cheapest of commercially available, comprable rated soft shackle, retails for at least 50 Australian dollars, the huge saving is obvious.
I also 'lashed out' with my budget and purchased a soft shackle friendly, high quality alloy rear recovery hitch and a high quality alloy snatch ring, to replace my old solid steel hitch and my old style steel snatch block. Again, the budget winch rope provided the material necessary for me to make one slightly longer, but still fully sheathed soft shackle, for specific use in supporting the new snatch ring.
The expenditure on the two alloy changeovers was admittedly much more than a lot of people might wish to spend, but it was/is still a small fraction of the upfront cost of an electric winch, an all steel winch compatible bull bar and modified/upgraded front suspension to deal with the added front weight..... not to mention the ensuing loss of fuel economy and ...... very importantly for me, the big bite these heavy add-ons would take out of my MUX's maximum safe payload.
Now the heaviest component of my revovery gear is the drag chain, but that stays on board regardless. Thus my gear bag is at least 50% lighter and more pleasant to handle and store.
Hope this helps and wishing you safe and rewarding outdoor experiences.
Great video, I'm about to buy a hand winch. I would like to suggest that you use a winch cable blanket for safety if anything breaks under load. They are not expensive and even a jacket over the cable/strap works. Best wishes from Australia
Thank you for your comment Paul! You are right, I totally forgot about this simple but very effective safety measure. Don't forget to train with your hand winch before using it in real "Bad" conditions!
Excellent video. That's really smart to try out techniques in a controlled scenario so you're familiar with everything when the time comes for real. I need to do more of that. Having some kind of winching capability is wise. I carry traction boards and a snatch strap (and tend to be extra cautious when out by myself) but I should probably be carrying something like this as well. Thanks for the interesting and informative episode!
Thank you and you are welcome !
Recovery boards, snatch strap and winching capability is a nice combo ! You can do pretty much everything with that !
But indeed, you have to know how to use them, so a good training is always welcome !
It's real smart to try things out before you have to.
actually the second time I've watched this video (spread across about 6 months)
still haven't had to use my hand winch yet, but I've practiced more with my rigging now and I'm feeling pretty confident
Gonna make sure I find a chance to test a couple of different simple rigging setups this fall before winter snows come in!
thanks for making a useful video worth watching twice
and also your car is SICK, I remember it from last time and I still love it.
Thanks so much for your kind comment mate ! Glad you enjoyed the video twice ✌️
I have used that type of 'low cost' winch in the past.
The handle is a weak point and it bends easily, and the wire cable isn't the strongest.
So maybe ok for 'very light' vehicles but if you are serious then buy a serious winch.
Also use a cable damper/blanket in case the cable lets go.
Get a hi-Lift Jack or a purpose built recovery winch.
The vehicle can be replaced, your body parts might not be..
You are right mate 😉
On this hand winch the handle have some reinforcement, a friend of mine have the same and used it several times without any issues.
I definitely forgot the damper in this video... Bad move but I'm here to learn!
I had a Hilift and sold it. Way to heavy, not usable on a stock forester and it's also dangerous if not careful (like any recovery gear I recon)
Thanks you for your nice tips 😉
What you think about using these winches, made for 4t to recover a Suzuki Jimny? With 1500kg?
Is it safe?
Nice setup. One thing I'd suggest to add Is a treesaver. I get you gotta do what you gotta do in a pinch, but it's a best practice to try to follow a leave no trace policy. Recovery on a tree without one can cut through the bark and kill it, worst case if it's a thinner or weaker tree it can break through it and you'll have all that tension flying back at you
You are totally right! I need to get one 😉
Thank you for your nice comment 👊
@@ALNSMOVERLAND Hahaha, you responded way nicer than I would have!..Thanks for the video!
@@drewpknutz1410and what good would being rude have done?
Thought I'd post an update to my earlier comments; again in case it helps any fellow campers, fishermen and/or hunters who are not looking to spend the money on an electric winch, compatible steel bull bar and the expense of upgraded front suspension to deal with the added (140kg plus) weight on the front of your vehicle. Moreover, while reverse and sideways pulls are technically possible using a front mounted electric winch, the additional ropes, snatch blocks and/or snatch rings are typically onerous to deploy, expensive and risky; particularly if your on your own. That said, I have retained all of my recovery gear mentioned in my previous postings, but I have now changed out my 2,700kg pull capacity, steel cable based come along for a WS More Power Puller (WSMPP) fitted with Amsteel blue synthetic rope and added an X-lock winch rope shortening fitting to the kit. The new hand winch can do a single line pull out to 10m at 2,700kg and with it's own snatch hook included with the unit, can do a 5m double line pull up to 5,400 kg. By incorporating my snatch ring, dyneema extension ropes, X-lock and a winch handle extension, I can exert up to 10,800 kg! ...yep the same grunt as a 24,000lb electric winch ( the largest typically fitted to a recreational SUV being 12,000lb). Yes the hand winch upgrade was not cheap, and of course, is still a slow alternative, but given it weighs only 10.8 kg and the outlay was less than one fifth of what I would have parted with for the electric alternative along with a bb and suspension upgrade, I'm happy with no reduction in fuel economy, ride characteristics, or maximum permissible pay load. All that said, the single greatest encentive for the change in winch is I can now do up to a 5m uninterrupted triple line pull at up to 10,800kgs, whereas my original come along gave an unacceptable maximum uninterrupted pull of 0.75m during a double line pull at a maximum of 5,400 kg. By the way, this set up kills a steel cable based Tirfor hand winch; in terms of cost, weight and safety. Finally, I have the benefit of being able to use my new hand winch for a host of projects requiring deadlifting up to 6,000lbs and pulls up to 12,000lbs. Hopes this helps someone and please think "safety" first and "recovery" second!
You can start video at 3:03
Thank you! Sheesh
Thanks man
Hands down the best channel I have ever stumbled upon.
Wow thanks mate! 🙏
I appreciate the video man but at 04:39, that music was way too loud while you were talking.
Nice one, I was a bit afraid about the length of the steel cable. But that is ok. I would suggest to put a blanket, jacket or a winch line patch on top. If the cable snaps, the kinetic energy will be taken in by the security feature
You are definitely right ! I probably gonna get a winch line patch, or make one ! 😉
Jordan, please, make a video about this ropes/straps that you used instead metal shackle, to fix at the car. Thanks a lot!!
No musik next time bro I kant hear you.
Okay 👌
I would suggest investing in Hi-Lift jack. Alongside self winching, you can lift the wheel to put the track under it (which in my experience was even more important than winching the vehicle)
Hey ! I had a Hi-lift jack and didn't liked it. Way to heavy and dangerous. And it's a bit hard to lift a subie with it. I have a bottle jack, I can put it everywhere I want under the car. And now I can also winch the foz ON the recovery boards 😉
@@ALNSMOVERLAND you are right, you have no points to put the highlift jack on plastic bumpers, an air cushion is probably even easier to lift the car. your winch will put you out of a ditch just fine. splitting the force between the eyes seems a bit over the top with a small handwinch?
Thanks for the vid. I need a little kit like this that can fit under or behind the seat of my single cab Tacoma.
Essential for some track exploration ! get one !
Great video. A come along is great for smaller lightweight vehicles!
Thanks! It's definitely a good solution
Nice video. High Lift Jacks and cables or chains work in the same manner.
I know someone mentioned using a blanket(!) but you should also should remove the shackle from the winch hook. It's not necessary and is only adding an extra potential 'ammunition' to cause you injury. Just hook directly onto the tree truck protector loops. If your hook isn't big enough you obviously have no choice. Either way i also recommend a length of pipe to slide over and extend your winch handle for better leverage and safety.
Thank you for the tips ! the handle extension is an absolutely great idea !
For the extra shackle, that's because the hook wasn't big enough yes.
Thanks again for your useful and constructive comment, UA-cam needs more guys like you 👊
@@ALNSMOVERLAND Aw thank you - likewise! I found your video because i'm looking to avoid fitting an electric winch on a new 4x4, purely because i don't like how the additional weight of a winch + winch bull bar affects handling and fuel consumption. I also have a lot of friends with either winches or snatch straps which helps! ;)
Anyway I've done quite a lot of 4wd-ing here in Australia and have used your winch before. On a muddy hill when you're ACTUALLY stuck and the diff has bottomed out you're going to realise just how difficult hand winching with your setup actually is. If i am to go down this route i'll be looking into adding a snatch block potentially with a dynema extension and that extension handle i mentioned is an absolute must...and a shovel...and max tracks ;)
Have fun out there and be safe!
hand winches often get forgotton about because they are not a cool as having an electric winch on the front. but if you do the type of driving ahere getting stuck is a possibility rather than a regular occurance they are a very good option. a lot less weight and cost less too
Absolutely ! That's what I love about them
What if your anchor happens to be closer to your vehicle than the length of the tow strap?
Good question. You can play with the length of the handwinch cable and also the length of your strap by making a U with it. Best thing is to have couple more tow straps with different lengths for different situations 😉
So im confused, the avwrahw come along has maybe 4-5ft of cable so once you spool up that cable but your vehicle isnt unstuck yet what do you do?
Do it again with another anchor
Add just one Block and Tackle and you wouldn't need the handwinch at all. Throw the Message/Force line over a large overhead tree branch and use your bodyweight as a winch (choke up the slack by wrapping it around your waist).
Thank you guy! This video was awesome, detailed, and informative. I thank you a lot for making this video.
Great job. Congrats and many thanks from Brazil!!!
Hi, missing part is how you release the tension of the wire when removing the hand-winch.
Well this is not really a HOW TO video but I could have shown it yes. This is a double lock system actually pretty easy to operate 😉
For safety reasons, you should place a winch line damper on both ends. Good job!
Absolutely 🙏
Great video down to earth advice for the average person
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed 👍🙏
Yeah, I was going to ask about that chest rig. Cool.
Thanks for the cool video! I have that setup too so it's great to see how it's used in practice.
What size tires are you running? Also what are the make and model of the tires. I really like how they look. How do they perform? Great video👍👏👍
215 75 15 BFG KO2 😉 you can visit alnsmoverland.com for every details about my build!
2:50 “ahh I like this guy. He’s using soft shackles”
The way to go 👊
Towards the end of the video I noticed in the back of the truck a couple of orange spiked boards. Are those for helping traction under the wheels if you get stuck?
Yes sir! They are recovery boards 😉
And they don't work well at all. Look for video reviews of people trying to use them
Excellent technique, I need to train a little more. Big thanks!
Always happy to share! Training is definitely the key!
I second the High Lift Jack, awesome tool. Come-alongs are also a great tool to carry, so useful for many different tasks (off-road AND around the shop), I've been meaning to add a small come-along to my ADV motorcycle as well since it weighs well over 400lbs (even before I load it down with camp gear for a trip) and I weigh about 165, LOL! Great video, my friend :D
Thank you my friend ! I had a Hi lift and I didn't liked it ... (see my answer below)
Anyway I'm very glad with the wand winch now 🙏
Look into making a z-drag. Much lighter, compact, and versatile for motorcycles. There's a few commercial kits as well.
I made one out of dyneema/amsteel rope, 2 climbing pulleys, a couple carabiners, and a 2 polyester tree hugger straps (for hammocks.) Its good for a 3 to 1 theoretical mechanical advantage, meaning with your weight alone at 165 you can move at least ~500 pounds AND you can operate it while pulling from on/next to the bike if you wish instead of inline with the load. Plus all the kit doubles as tow straps/ropes.
Thanks, very informative. How much distance did you move your vehicle? Would you normally use a dampener, once under tension it could still be lethal.
Yes, I have a d'amener now ! The car moved equally to the length of the handwinch cable which is 1.5m
Again a nice video. If you secure the shackles bolt with a string, you will never loose it.
Now you're ready for the chapka !
That's a good idea ! Thank you my friend !
I still don't know about the chapka ... Maybe ;)
Great video, but aren't you supposed to place the side where line retracts facing the item you are pulling and the fixed side of the come along attached to the fixed object???
Honestly I don't know. What you be the benefit to do it the other way? Plus The comealong would move with the car
Hi bro whats the name of the devices or tools that u used for recovering your forester? I want to buy for my 4x2 pickup, and btw i subscribed to ur vid because its very helpful cheers for that🎉😊
Do you put truck in neutral when using come along
Yes!
Excellent, brother!! This is a diamond 💎
🙏🙏🙏
Good job friend. The winch is a real game changer.
Only suggestion is that you get industrial velcro or some other type of tie down for all your gear. If you had a roll over or had to hard brake, you dont want all your stuff hitting you in the head.
Thanks ! You are right 😉 Safety first, I need to secure that load !
Lay carpet or other material over cable to dampen deadly effects of snapped cable and wear a hard hat.
Yes! Absolutely good advice 🙏
Awesome, I love it! I don't have any type of winch but I do have Maxtrax and I usually travel with a friend so we could use snatch straps which we have if we need. Good stuff keep it up!
Thanks 😉 Traveling with a mate is the best option ahaha but most of the time I'm all alone, I really needed one. I'm happy now !
I enjoy your videos alot.... decades ago in my school a kid was killed by a tool box smashing his head in when the car he was traveling in rolled over in a ditch. I carry alot of stuff in my cars but I secure everything, and i believe doing this has saved my life when i had a head on collision. You need a cargo barrier in that jalopy of yours lol.
Thanks mate ! That's a sad story 😞 and that's the second comment I get about this. I guess I really should secure my load then 😉
Can you give me an average how long this method would take to cover 10ft ?
3m ? that would be pretty quick !
Hey man, nice channel, i have the same Subaru used for light offroad. Can you give more info about the straps ratings? I found similar lifting straps in truck webshop, and they have colour codes like violet, green, yellow, gray, red, brown, blue, orange with ratings of 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,10< Tons straight pull working limits (safe ratio 7:1). How did you calculate this, which you use?
For these kind of straps I don't really calculate the rating. If it's more than 5T it's good for me! Most of them ré rated for 8/10T.
It's for a Snatch Strap that you have to be careful with the rating! Especially with a lightweight SUV. 😉
I like your jacket where did you get it? great video thank you
Hey thank you for your comment, the jacket is a Helikon-Tex Gunfighter in shadow grey ;)
@@ALNSMOVERLAND thanks man i appreciate what you do and the information you provide
Thanks a lot.
Wich is the name ? Or where i can find the orange things ?
We have very strong non electric winch, its produced 100% in Poland ....you should try it
ua-cam.com/video/XQGVyJEYueI/v-deo.html
23min.... Rtech is a producer of this winch,.... I bought IT some time ago and its awsome.
Fwd-AWD or 4x4 there?
AWD Subaru 🔥
Great video!
My family love watching your videos!
That's awesome ! Thanks 😉 Better than Netflix ahahaha
Very useful! I would like to ask, how the hand winch will work, if the Forester or vehicle weighted aprx. 2 tones is stuck in mud (deep mud) or snow? Will be hard to get out of it?
Yes, it will be hard. But remember to dig as much as you can under the car and the wheels 😉
Tried that with an Suzuki Vitara. We bent the ratchet. Car was still stuck...
Do you know what weight your hand which was rated for? They vary greatly.
@@rienkhoek4169by simply adding a block and tackle inline, you cut the necessary input pulling force by up to 40% while simultaneously exponentially increasing the output pulling force. This would have decreased the workload on the come-along while drastically increasing its pulling efficiency. This simple addition could've in all liklihood prevented the come-along failure you described. The physics behind leveraging load advantage is a fascinating topic, especially when seen in action.
@@66HM5 that would probably have helped, but we didn't have one. Next time we will be a bit better prepared.
Where did you find rated recovery points for a forester?
Made in France 😁🇫🇷 by a friend
Where can i buy this one? Delivered to Europe?
Try this one ? amzn.to/3rIOXMB
Did you use a snatch strap or a tow strap?
It was a tow strap 😉 but I also have a snatch strap for vehicule recovery
Do u leave the car on drive?
It's a manual
fajny film. dzieki za pokazanie jak to dziala
Your car is 4×4 bro ????
Yes, AWD
How far did the vehicle moved? Distance?
1,5m. You can double that without the pulley but then you will loose some pull strength
great video but it would have been much better if you could have got the car actually stuck in the mud I saw a grate video of someone who got stuck in the middle of a muddy field and the recovery guys had to pull it for a at least 50 meters took them ages but they did it in the end.
Next time I will get stuck ! ahaha
Nice video ALNSM. If you wanted to look into a safer and stronger hand winch, have a look at these Wyeth Scott More Power Pullers. This video link (ua-cam.com/video/_7UkpOPxm2k/v-deo.html) shows one in use, pulling a 2 tonne 4WD Ute, with the handbrake on, up a 20 degree slope. These winches use synthetic rope (11 m of pull) and have a safety handle that bends before load capacity is reached. I think it would be a good addition to your kit. Cheers
Thanks for the advice ! I'll look into it 😉
Super video Sir,,,nice work man 👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👌👌👌
Thank you so much! Don't hesitate to subscribe and share the video you like!! 🙏
Awesome, I never see guys doing recovery drills.
Thanks 😉 I just don't want to learn the hard way. A bad recovery can be really dangerous. Tough training, easy war !
That’s my new favorite quote
Where can I find that chest rig? Great videos btw! Cheers..
Thanks ! It's the Numbat chest pack from Helikon-tex, you can find it directly on their website 😉
@@ALNSMOVERLAND thanks man.
Excelent tips! Very useful in any scenarios.
Thanks ! I'm glad you liked it 👊
I got the same winch, best 50 bucks I've ever spent, got my out the shit a few times
Awesome to hear that! It's definitely a life saver👊
Yeah my uncle got his John Deere 3032e tractor stuck in the back of the woods behind his house on a trail he bought this out tied it not a tree and just got on the gas a little and we got it out
At 1:55 you say that you see vehicle recovery just as first aid
Today, in the war in Ukraine they see a method for recovery just as important as a soldier’s first aid kit, you were right
A very useful thing. Thanks for the movie.
My pleasure brother ! 👊
Fine video - thanks.
Thanks!
Great video thanks
Glad you enjoyed!
Good job 👍👍👍👍
Thanks mate! 🙏👊👊
best off road tip of all, don't go out alone.
Definitely !
What to do when the strap is to long? Find another tree for the comealong?
I'm fucked 😂😂😂
Just kinding, different strap or another anchor point I guess.
Wrap it a few times around the tree or find a new tree
Anyone else have the same forester and a come along lol this is the perfect video
Doesn't look like it. 😂
awsome vid
Thank you so much! 🙏
Will tire-chains keep you from getting stuck?
Do you need a 4WD if you just put on chains when you think you need them?
ua-cam.com/video/CzUIVLWnn5U/v-deo.html
Maybe this? (not sponsored)
ua-cam.com/video/asLaJjHk04A/v-deo.html
+ come-along work
ua-cam.com/video/K1MfZad6Z1Y/v-deo.html
Very professional video other than music. It is not necessary and distracting. Also, it made your instructions difficult to hear when they were at a point where they were close to music.
Merci mec👍
My pleasure! 🙏
thank you
My pleasure 🙏
informative, but music is far too loud!
Thanks for your feedback 👊
Bravo et merci. Cela sera tres utile a beaucoup de gens sachant que maintenant l on ne peut avoir de winch sur les nouveaux vehicules car cela changerait la face avant et ils ne seront plus conforme pour la protection des pietons.
En effet en plus du coup et du poids le treuil peut être un problème légal...
Cool technique , very informative , also my 1 like bounced you from 999 to 1k likes 😅👍😁
Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
You are the best 😁
много добро! Благодаря!
Bulgarin?
What about area don't have tree
Other vehicle, big rocks, spare tire in the ground...
Hey Mate! I just wanted to say that! Lol
Ahaha hey there 👋
Merci!!
🙏🙏🙏
where can i get that jacket !!!!!
Try Helikon-tex Gunfighter 😉
Am I the only one who feel catastrophic dangerous on the video ... Have you got the any idea How much elastic energy is accumulated on your recovery metal wire ? ?? and you are still in the potential effective location that metal wire can rip your arm off during your recover process in the case wire get disconnected . scary !!!!!
Every 4wd recovery situations are sketchy and dangerous.
But thank you for your concern.
Last week in Queensland a young woman was killed after being struck across the chest by a recoiling snatch strap. Safety first.
That's suck 😢 RIP. And as you said, safety first for any kind of recovery. That's also why learning and training is important
Nice vid ...lower music volume
Roger that
music ruins the video.
Thank you for your feedback.
Nice of you to show the come-along in action; there is also a land anchor for where there is no tree; but the B E S T thing is to have a friend in another "jeep" off roading with you; you risk a lot when you're alone;
And i see that you are not much of a mechanic; lights on and wipers on and I D L I N G ...maybe? some situations may take an hour or more,that may kill your battery,car dies,and then you can't restart it. Ask me how i know...from rescuing people like that; you see,alternators do not charge much at idle to begin with, some do not actually charge at idle with the lights on!!!,why R I S K it! You have a cell phone,you know how battery fails if it's not charging ,so conserve energy.
(I know this aggressive comment will end up helping someone).
Hey mate, thanks for your comment.
Don't worry it wasn't aggressive and you got a point !
I actually never thought about killing the battery with the engine on.
I now have a auxilary battery and a voltage monitor for both batteries. seem like my alternator charge them even when idling ;)
I think u covered the basics. No sense in nit picking every common sense detail like “you don’t have a flashlight. It might be dark, blah blah. If you don’t have common sense then you should not leave the home.
where is your strap dampener!?!?!?!?!?!
Informative, though the loud music was a bit much.
Sorry about that! You can watch my other videos, my editing skills are better now 😁
These "winches" are for doing fencing wire, not vehicle recovery. Better off using a high lift jack if you want to hand winch.
They can pull everything they are rated for. A tree, a fence or a vehicle. High lift jack doesn't make sens if you can't use it as a jack on your vehicle.
Not true they make 6 ton come along winches that are not for fence work. Hi lift or farmers helper jacks have limits.