Great Competition Winning Solution ( Now Lost? ) Southern Cross Station by Grimshaw Architects
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2020
- Kevin Hui and Andrew Maynard discuss the architecture competition winning scheme of Southern Cross Station by Grimshaw Architects. Exploring the various details that makes it great and how subsequent alterations and additions undermine the beauty of the original design and its details. Architecture travel video
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Apologies for the weirdness of this Premiere business. Thanks for those who were able to join in on live chat. It just disappeared off my screen so sorry if I look like I just bailed. Won't be using this feature again.
So, so, so cool to learn more about one of my fav Melbourne landmarks and services. I take my international visitors here if possible. Now I can also steer them to this video.
I'm loving that every time I see one of your videos I learn a new thing. This is actually a super helpful way of idolizing the idea, and I'd love to see and learn more from you guys, in the long run, thank you so much for presenting it to us in a simple, helpful and funny way
Thank you for watching and your feedback. Yes that is our goal, to share our knowledge, to appreciate the efforts gone into good design and make it accessible to more people
@ Islam Ehab, the feeling is mutual. These guys 🙌🏻🙌🏻 simply doing a wonderful job.... their videos are a great muse for me
It’s so intriguing to come across a structure that celebrates the assemblage of different components. I find such buildings as “teachers of technonics” as they allow the viewer to see the connections.
Thank you Andy and Kev, keep it up🙌🏻
Thanks again for your comments and happy to hear you are getting value out of our videos.
@@Archimarathon I personally consider your channel as one of the informative and educational... short videos, studded with humorous clips, packed with priceless critiques of buildings.... who wouldn’t love that????😊😊
I will have to revisit this building to appreciate all that has been discussed. Amazing work!
Thanks. That’s the idea. Learning to see new things. That’s why most of the projects we are going to talk about are publicly accessible.
My practice included many airport terminals, usually marred after completion with insensitive revisions. The terminals can be like children transitioning when they leave home. Next time you see them, they have tattoos and nose rings.
"Southern Cross" to some people.I still call it Spencer Street Station (after original name!.)
Great analysis of the building. I like the high Tech approach. Great work guys.
Thank you.
before the video is even out, Andrew already wins on the graphic t-shirt game. Can't beat that Reinhardt.
Except he can’t stand the game. He rages too much. I was a sym main from the beginning, with a side of lucio. Now I am mainly rein.
Great tour. The concrete panel details are a good example of thinking through the whole building
Definitely!
Budget for the roof was less (also designed as a water catchment) yet when the once in a decade provision for rainfall with the mega water storage and flood mitigation was designed the place flooded (not installed) because they wanted to save money with the eventual damage exceeding in the cost to repair.
Since this place was built a lot of current enviro regulations where in their infancy,so it’s a constant work in progress from oil disposal ,electrical constraints ,air flow and carbon stuff.
Fun Fact: Platform 9 is the site of the “I shall return” speech of Gen. D. MacArthur.
In the building next to the station there is a walk way that gets you very close to the top of the station. Ior the skin of the roof. Love looking at it. But after watching this i suspect the issue is that the wind which the original design thought would take the air away is now blocked because of the adjoining building and all the other Docklands buildings…
There are a few problems, south/west wind push positive pressure into the building, but the prevailing wind is north, which does the opposite. Also the southwest wind is cold, so on hot days the station is stifling, while on cold days it is draughty.
Definitely prefer a building when you can see how it's put together. Thanks for taking us through!
That’s definitely more Sydney. Melbourne are full of buildings covered by the surfaces.
@@Archimarathon Sydney has plenty of those too! But also a lot of excellent Brutalism 👌🏼
One of the architects tasked with designing the glass facade was a sessional design tutor for one of our design studios in first trimester, 3rd year. Andrew Milward Bason, and in his talk about Southern Cross he stated that his main objective was to make the facade"invincible". I suppose that also means what you pointed out Kevin - that the glass facade along the perimeter on Sorbet and Collins Street doesn't touch the main Y columns nor the ground.
Invincible or invisible ?
@@Archimarathon typo! Meant to say invisible
I seem to remember from a lecture that the clear skylights were to be inflated plastic bladders. I wonder on the lifespan of those. The draped dome roof shape is a little reminiscent of the old JBL creature speakers, which may have been the same era
Yes it’s made of EFTE. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETFE
Such an interesting building! I love all your explanations.I think it clearly has reminiscences of Archigram’s architecture (what I love) but also is linked with the train stations from the Industrial Revolution (I mean the “machine” part of them). It was really interesting to see the articulated columns, reinvented in high tech solutions. And that’s why I always say why is important to learn architecture history ;). If you know the past, you can understand the present and design a better future
Yes. Learning from precedents is so important but it’s not really taught about how to go about it. I find students just google some images and throw it on their posters only, without a hint of understanding or investigation
@@Archimarathon I agree with you. I could talk a lot about teaching, but a lot is implied in your videos, which are great. I think that The Main Thing and What, Why, How are both essential lessons
Great analysis! I love Spencer St but the biggest problem as a passenger is that the platforms a filled with vending machines but zero rubbish bins. 🤦♂️
Yes there are a lot of poor management decisions made
Rubbish bins are at premium because of the sarin gas attack (hidden in a bin )in Japan in one of the busiest railway stations.
Go to Tokyo take a photo of a bin because it’s like seeing a thylacine.
Really enjoyed that chat, Def gonna look at the station differently next time I am taking a train. Woulda also love to see more sections and plans in the discussion.
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But yes, the point of Archimarathon is about learning to see and learn architecture. I am sure many have walked past these buildings many times but never paid attention.
Hi guys, good video. I enjoyed learning about all the little architectural details regarding the yellow pods, the concrete panels, the glass, etc. But it still doesn't change my opinion that the entire building is a failure from the point of view of the user. The passengers, workers, visitors, anyone. The roof looks interesting but in terms of performance it fails completely. The passive venting doesn't work at all. The diesel fumes are a constant presence. The roof blocks a lot of natural light, meaning the station is dark even on sunny days, and relies on artificial lighting. In severe rain the roof leaks. The station is a large, cold, soul-less place, with basically zero connection to the all the past station structures that existed before. (Apart from the old clock near the south-east entrance. By removing platform one, and making passengers travel up 3 levels then back down to get to the suburban platforms, the walking time from station entrance to platform is also longer now than with the old subways. They should have kept the old station, kept the subways, and incorporated a new northern, elevated entrance. North Melbourne is a great example of adding capacity, adding entrances, adding lifts, etc, while still maintaining older, functional parts of the station. The name change from Spencer street to Southern Cross was also pointless. People take photos of Flinders street station all the time. Nobody takes photos of Southern Cross station.
Really valued your discussions around the floating 'Spaceships!' and around the role of 'budget' within the initial approach to the competition. But curious you didn't mention how when approaching the completion of the project they were forced, by the then tight-assed Victorian Premier, to heavily make further compromise on costs. Resulting in how the roof structures at the western edge of the station had to be finished in a cheaper inferior visually crude way. The result totally kills the perimeter definition of the roof form, which hideously interferes with the visual flow of the whole space.
Toughen up Kev!
I eat concrete for breakfast
how good would it of been if the legs of the benches could of been miniature versions of the space ship columns!
That would be awesome, though people might start shoving shit underneath them permanently.
So the echo chamber effect was a little confusing along with the disconnect between the content and the chat (i.e. video is not responsive to chat); nevertheless, having Kevin live in chat was really fun even though it was all sort of learning curve.
Yeah. Won’t be doing that again as I am pretty responsive to comments anyway.
@@Archimarathon Maybe this format doesn't work but I think a live broadcast could work great given your chemistry and personalities.
So which station do you prefer? Flinders or Double Cross :)
Definitely Southern Cross
@@Archimarathon Parkville OR Strogino Station, Moscow ?
Did you highlight the fact it takes longer to change platforms with hi-tech architecture?
"the people who came afterwards" are the same cheap developers who had the place built. They don't even clean the windows on the yellow pods.
So did the charcoal align your chakras? ;)
Pretty place
It’s so aligned I could now levitate to the moon. No it’s a specially made Japanese filtration method “binchotan” and yes the water does taste better.
Bwahaha
Hhhmmm sounds interesting... shall look into that
See you on the moon
Lol