01:24:54 One of the biggest bangs in Hailstone (Truk) was a Japanese ammunition ship that let go when bombed and took out the attacking aircraft so long fuses perhaps not. But one allied ammunition ship (John Harvey) was destroyed in Bari during the Italian campaign while carrying Mustard gas shells, which caused some interesting situations for medical personnel dealing with veterans of the campaign Post War.
1:40:01 Oops I meant 1950 the year not the decade. I guess I failed at formatting looks like I forgot the apostrophe. Sorry I didn't mean to push the envelope
The grill on a funnel top for the canvas cover can be seen in use in this WW2 instructional film 'Raising Steam: Naval Instructional Film A76' (1942) At around 2:10 you can see the little door in the funnel base and ladder inside the funnel being used to get up to the cover and remove it. You can also see the funnel stay wires being slackened to allow for expansion as the funnel heats up. It has a good explanation of the three drum water tube Admiralty boiler with some good animated drawings ad cross sections. ua-cam.com/video/uwMRCU0olS0/v-deo.htmlsi=cvcBEQgZr3fwPpb9
Apparently the USN's mess areas were considered very nice, with collapsible furniture allowing the spaces to be used for other things between meals, etc. However, the RN after WWI thought that the USN's sleeping arrangements were inadequate compared to RN ships'.
Admiral Dennis : Well dude, dude, think about it: he's out in the middle of parliament with some dude he barely knows. You know, he looks around and what does he see? Nothin' but a pair of dueling pistols. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'no'?" Captain Mac : Okay. That... that seems really dark. Dennis : Nah, no it's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, bro. Mac : I'm-I think I am. Dennis Reynolds : Yeah, you are, because if the politician said "no" then the answer obviously is "no"... Mac : No, right. Dennis Reynolds : But the thing is he's not gonna say "no", he would never say "no" because of the implication. Mac : ...Now you've said that word "implication" a couple of times. Wha-what implication? Dennis Reynolds : The implication that things might go wrong for him if he refuses to fund my ships. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for him but he's thinkin' that they will. Mac : But it sounds like he doesn't wanna have a navy with you... Dennis Reynolds : Why aren't you understanding this? He-he doesn't know if he wants to have a navy with me. That's not the issue... Mac : Are you gonna hurt parliamentarians? Dennis Reynolds : I'm not gonna hurt parliamentarians! Why would I ever hurt these parliamentarians?! I feel like you're not getting this at all! Mac : I'm not getting it.
0:33:28 Covadonga at the Battle of Punta Gruesa and various uses of fireships, like against the anchored Spanish Armada or the French Fleet at La Hogue...
1:22:41 For those who don't know how it works in the USN... A RATE is a job. (Sonar Technician, Submarines was mine.) RATING is your rank. (Sonar Technician, Submarines 2nd Class was mine.) QUALIFICATION can refer to a number of other things, but often refers to WARFARE DEVICE. (QUALIFIED IN SUBMARINES was mine. Often called "Dolphins." Others are Surface Warfare, Pilot's Wings, the SEAL Trident and there are others. The shorthand for my rating was STS2(SS). This is, of course, not complicated or confusing at all.
All Petty Officers in the USN are RATED. You become RATED upon completion of "A" school, which is the school for your RATE. I was RATED as an Seaman. (STSSN) You can still join and go to sea as an Unrated sailor, but you can't become a Petty Officer while Unrated.
Another possible "Real World Example of USS Defiant" in my mind would be the Italian-built destroyer leader Tashkent of the Soviet Navy. I recall you recounted in its five-minute guide as a tough little ship, and a ship having almost as much power as a Dunkerque class battlecruiser stuffed into a hull with less than 1/9th of the battlecruiser's displacement. Like the Abdiel class you offered, it was another ship that generated ludicrous power and speed and found itself doing much different missions than the original design intent.
And in the background to all the daylight air action between the 1st and 2nd Guadalcanal. Jun'yo nearly starts another carrier battle when one of her Kates spots Enterprise and Task Force 16. But when the strike comes, Enterprise is hiding under a squall.
wrt the question about carrier conversions if the Washington treaty occurred a few years later. I agree with Drac that the Japanese would have been looking at converting the Kiis. wrt to the USN, SecNav Daniels had proposed another building program to follow the 1916 program that included the Lexigntons. But Daniels was gone with the change of administration in 1921. A four year delay in the treaty would put the conference during the Coolidge administration. Coolidge was even less interested in defense spending than Harding had been. As Drac said, given the attitude in the US during the time, I doubt the USN would have had a big capital ship program in the 20s. It was apparently the US that proposed the battlecruiser conversion clause of the treaty. Without battlecruisers under construction, the US would not have proposed the clause. If the UK has a G3 follow-on under construction, it might propose the conversion clause, but why would the US agree to it? I am not sure the conversion clause would have existed at all. Without the special clause, conversions would be limited by the treaty's general carrier specification of 27,000 tons. Or, the conference could fail entirely, as the 1927 (Coolidge administration) conference failed. There may not have been a successful naval conference until First London, in 1930, motivated by the depression.
Could you address the whole massive failure of battleship and battlecruiser design? It was an enormous mistake to create a gigantic floating ammo dump, then invite the enemy to shoot at that massive floating ammo dump, and about one fourth of battleships sunk were destroyed by an enormous explosion of their magazines. Then, on top of that design failure, which was not realized because there was only one real fleet battleship on battleship action (Jutland) so countries kept on making these floating ammo dumps for 20-30 more years. And on top of that, they invented the battlecruiser, a floating ammo dump that had even LESS armor. Sheez!
02:51:26 Pretty certain there were no oil resources in the German or Austro-Hungarian held areas of Poland, nor for that matter in Russian Poland. The main asset for Germany in Poland as a Naval asset was the Silesian Coal reserves, which comparatively high quality compared to the poor coal in Ruhr and Lignite muck elsewhere in Germany. The nearest oil reserves were in Romania, which the British destroyed when the Central powers overran Romania.
00:27:57 You could say Capt Coles was good a wresting things from Parliament & Monarchy over the wishes of the Admiralty, but then maybe the Admiralty should have forced a few more of Coles friends and advocates onto HMS Captain.
Yamato's torpedo defend system was also proved in combat to be quite impressive. It's probably reason why Yamato was so much larger than Number 13. And it's really hard to quantify torpedo defend system.
@@ThatZenoGuy more like 9 (the rest hit after she was already doomed). And yes, that's still a ton of torpedoes, but she could probably have taken a few more before rolling over with a better torpedo defense.
@@bkjeong4302 I naively thought the only thing mattered for TDS was volume. And Yamato seemed to be so much wider than No. 13 for no other reason at all. But your comment prompted me to actually find a diagram for size and surprisingly the volume for TDS in Yamato seems to be similar to other period ships. Now I really wonder why she was so fat!!
Artists at the Disney Studios created art specially for use as nose and jacket art. Want Disney designed the famous Flying Tiger used by the American Volunteer Group aircraft.
2:29:00 This is also why the Japanese gave up on trying to make the Yamatos go at 30+kt and settled for 27-28kt (still fast enough to be competitive but not as fast as other contemporary Axis battleships). The designs that would have allowed the Yamatos to go that fast while carrying three triple 18" turrets or four triple 16" turrets were so excessively large that Japan couldn't build them.
00:52:26, Value of Ferris scrap in 1945 was at best marginal, but pretty sure the vessels sunk by Deadlight were from British Reparations, after WW2 it was lack of facility to scrap war material that was the problem not so much putting equipment beyond use, so ammunition which is otherwise of high value (brass cases) was just a case of costing too much to recycle (unlike in WW1 and in Korean War), although it may have been a benefit in both Germany and Japan to employ civilians to reverse manufacture materials, rather than have them sitting around on welfare food stamps. In UK many 'small AFVs' were reverse manufactured even into the 1950s for example Universal carriers and post Suez Cromwell and Centaur Armoured recovery vehicles were scrapped by reverse manufacture. Comparatively, little contraband equipment got to unauthorised users - although the IDF managed to get a bunch of Beau-fighters in 1948, but I really doubt a Haganah navy would have had much need for an old submarine in the period 1945 to 1948.
Re: Impressment - It is not completely unreasonable that 75% of RN sailors experienced impressment at some point in their careers. Consider when a ship paid off during a war and all the sailors were retained/ reassigned to another vessel. That is a form of impressment and likely happened to a high percentage of sailors.
serving for the duration of the conflict became quite common in the modern era. serving for the duration of the campaign was common in the napoleanic era especially in the armies.
02:23:15 Considering that there was a plane for supper Yamato with the 18 inch turrets swapped out for 2 x 20 inch guns so a six gun ship, would have certainly been better without the centreline 3 x 6 inch turrets.
I'd also suggest, THE ROYAL MARINES, from Sea Soldiers to Special Force , by Major General Julian Thompson
01:24:54 One of the biggest bangs in Hailstone (Truk) was a Japanese ammunition ship that let go when bombed and took out the attacking aircraft so long fuses perhaps not. But one allied ammunition ship (John Harvey) was destroyed in Bari during the Italian campaign while carrying Mustard gas shells, which caused some interesting situations for medical personnel dealing with veterans of the campaign Post War.
Best opening song on UA-cam…
Oh. A 2 parter. Looks like a Patreon Drydock for 325!!
1:40:01 Oops I meant 1950 the year not the decade. I guess I failed at formatting looks like I forgot the apostrophe. Sorry I didn't mean to push the envelope
The grill on a funnel top for the canvas cover can be seen in use in this WW2 instructional film 'Raising Steam: Naval Instructional Film A76' (1942)
At around 2:10 you can see the little door in the funnel base and ladder inside the funnel being used to get up to the cover and remove it.
You can also see the funnel stay wires being slackened to allow for expansion as the funnel heats up.
It has a good explanation of the three drum water tube Admiralty boiler with some good animated drawings ad cross sections.
ua-cam.com/video/uwMRCU0olS0/v-deo.htmlsi=cvcBEQgZr3fwPpb9
Apparently the USN's mess areas were considered very nice, with collapsible furniture allowing the spaces to be used for other things between meals, etc. However, the RN after WWI thought that the USN's sleeping arrangements were inadequate compared to RN ships'.
Admiral Dennis : Well dude, dude, think about it: he's out in the middle of parliament with some dude he barely knows. You know, he looks around and what does he see? Nothin' but a pair of dueling pistols. "Ahh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I gonna do, say 'no'?"
Captain Mac : Okay. That... that seems really dark.
Dennis : Nah, no it's not dark. You're misunderstanding me, bro.
Mac : I'm-I think I am.
Dennis Reynolds : Yeah, you are, because if the politician said "no" then the answer obviously is "no"...
Mac : No, right.
Dennis Reynolds : But the thing is he's not gonna say "no", he would never say "no" because of the implication.
Mac : ...Now you've said that word "implication" a couple of times. Wha-what implication?
Dennis Reynolds : The implication that things might go wrong for him if he refuses to fund my ships. Now, not that things are gonna go wrong for him but he's thinkin' that they will.
Mac : But it sounds like he doesn't wanna have a navy with you...
Dennis Reynolds : Why aren't you understanding this? He-he doesn't know if he wants to have a navy with me. That's not the issue...
Mac : Are you gonna hurt parliamentarians?
Dennis Reynolds : I'm not gonna hurt parliamentarians! Why would I ever hurt these parliamentarians?! I feel like you're not getting this at all!
Mac : I'm not getting it.
Thank you for the excellent response top my question on the Royal Marines.
If you are interested, I have a book that you may find very interesting as it charts the RM from inception to about 1982
Last time I was this early; five minute guides lasted five minutes ;-)
Your answer on the French Navy design, so they're kind of the Kubrick of the naval world.
1:05:40 The B-29s in the Pacific displayed names such as the Enola Gay, and Bockscar that also had art work.
“Why can’t your sailors run on a more communist level of food?” is one of the funniest sentences ever uttered.
0:33:28 Covadonga at the Battle of Punta Gruesa and various uses of fireships, like against the anchored Spanish Armada or the French Fleet at La Hogue...
1:22:41 For those who don't know how it works in the USN... A RATE is a job. (Sonar Technician, Submarines was mine.) RATING is your rank. (Sonar Technician, Submarines 2nd Class was mine.) QUALIFICATION can refer to a number of other things, but often refers to WARFARE DEVICE. (QUALIFIED IN SUBMARINES was mine. Often called "Dolphins." Others are Surface Warfare, Pilot's Wings, the SEAL Trident and there are others. The shorthand for my rating was STS2(SS). This is, of course, not complicated or confusing at all.
All Petty Officers in the USN are RATED. You become RATED upon completion of "A" school, which is the school for your RATE. I was RATED as an Seaman. (STSSN) You can still join and go to sea as an Unrated sailor, but you can't become a Petty Officer while Unrated.
"The French imitate nobody, and nobody imitates the French". The mainly say that about French firearms, but it's equally true of their warships.
Another possible "Real World Example of USS Defiant" in my mind would be the Italian-built destroyer leader Tashkent of the Soviet Navy. I recall you recounted in its five-minute guide as a tough little ship, and a ship having almost as much power as a Dunkerque class battlecruiser stuffed into a hull with less than 1/9th of the battlecruiser's displacement. Like the Abdiel class you offered, it was another ship that generated ludicrous power and speed and found itself doing much different missions than the original design intent.
And in the background to all the daylight air action between the 1st and 2nd Guadalcanal. Jun'yo nearly starts another carrier battle when one of her Kates spots Enterprise and Task Force 16. But when the strike comes, Enterprise is hiding under a squall.
wrt the question about carrier conversions if the Washington treaty occurred a few years later. I agree with Drac that the Japanese would have been looking at converting the Kiis. wrt to the USN, SecNav Daniels had proposed another building program to follow the 1916 program that included the Lexigntons. But Daniels was gone with the change of administration in 1921. A four year delay in the treaty would put the conference during the Coolidge administration. Coolidge was even less interested in defense spending than Harding had been. As Drac said, given the attitude in the US during the time, I doubt the USN would have had a big capital ship program in the 20s. It was apparently the US that proposed the battlecruiser conversion clause of the treaty. Without battlecruisers under construction, the US would not have proposed the clause. If the UK has a G3 follow-on under construction, it might propose the conversion clause, but why would the US agree to it? I am not sure the conversion clause would have existed at all. Without the special clause, conversions would be limited by the treaty's general carrier specification of 27,000 tons. Or, the conference could fail entirely, as the 1927 (Coolidge administration) conference failed. There may not have been a successful naval conference until First London, in 1930, motivated by the depression.
Could you address the whole massive failure of battleship and battlecruiser design? It was an enormous mistake to create a gigantic floating ammo dump, then invite the enemy to shoot at that massive floating ammo dump, and about one fourth of battleships sunk were destroyed by an enormous explosion of their magazines. Then, on top of that design failure, which was not realized because there was only one real fleet battleship on battleship action (Jutland) so countries kept on making these floating ammo dumps for 20-30 more years. And on top of that, they invented the battlecruiser, a floating ammo dump that had even LESS armor. Sheez!
02:51:26 Pretty certain there were no oil resources in the German or Austro-Hungarian held areas of Poland, nor for that matter in Russian Poland. The main asset for Germany in Poland as a Naval asset was the Silesian Coal reserves, which comparatively high quality compared to the poor coal in Ruhr and Lignite muck elsewhere in Germany. The nearest oil reserves were in Romania, which the British destroyed when the Central powers overran Romania.
The 1914 list of oil producing regions includes a small amount from the area of Poland.
37:00 Yeah, the french have that in the bag
Yeah... this was funny
re Obsolete fleets - wouldn't the use of obsolete ships from R class BB's through ancient destroyers in Atlantic escort rate a mention?
00:27:57 You could say Capt Coles was good a wresting things from Parliament & Monarchy over the wishes of the Admiralty, but then maybe the Admiralty should have forced a few more of Coles friends and advocates onto HMS Captain.
Yamato's torpedo defend system was also proved in combat to be quite impressive. It's probably reason why Yamato was so much larger than Number 13. And it's really hard to quantify torpedo defend system.
Yamato's design was overall pretty good but I would never argue her TDS was one of her strong points.
@@bkjeong4302
While most ships sunk with 2-4 torpedos the Yamatos needed 10+
That seems good to me.
@@ThatZenoGuy more like 9 (the rest hit after she was already doomed). And yes, that's still a ton of torpedoes, but she could probably have taken a few more before rolling over with a better torpedo defense.
@@bkjeong4302 I naively thought the only thing mattered for TDS was volume. And Yamato seemed to be so much wider than No. 13 for no other reason at all. But your comment prompted me to actually find a diagram for size and surprisingly the volume for TDS in Yamato seems to be similar to other period ships.
Now I really wonder why she was so fat!!
@@bkjeong4302
Musashi took almost 20, so 10 is a reasonable figure for the class.
Evidently it still worked.
Artists at the Disney Studios created art specially for use as nose and jacket art.
Want Disney designed the famous Flying Tiger used by the American Volunteer Group aircraft.
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I learned the truth at 17... good morning viet nam !
2:29:00 This is also why the Japanese gave up on trying to make the Yamatos go at 30+kt and settled for 27-28kt (still fast enough to be competitive but not as fast as other contemporary Axis battleships). The designs that would have allowed the Yamatos to go that fast while carrying three triple 18" turrets or four triple 16" turrets were so excessively large that Japan couldn't build them.
:)
00:52:26, Value of Ferris scrap in 1945 was at best marginal, but pretty sure the vessels sunk by Deadlight were from British Reparations, after WW2 it was lack of facility to scrap war material that was the problem not so much putting equipment beyond use, so ammunition which is otherwise of high value (brass cases) was just a case of costing too much to recycle (unlike in WW1 and in Korean War), although it may have been a benefit in both Germany and Japan to employ civilians to reverse manufacture materials, rather than have them sitting around on welfare food stamps. In UK many 'small AFVs' were reverse manufactured even into the 1950s for example Universal carriers and post Suez Cromwell and Centaur Armoured recovery vehicles were scrapped by reverse manufacture. Comparatively, little contraband equipment got to unauthorised users - although the IDF managed to get a bunch of Beau-fighters in 1948, but I really doubt a Haganah navy would have had much need for an old submarine in the period 1945 to 1948.
Re: Impressment - It is not completely unreasonable that 75% of RN sailors experienced impressment at some point in their careers. Consider when a ship paid off during a war and all the sailors were retained/ reassigned to another vessel. That is a form of impressment and likely happened to a high percentage of sailors.
serving for the duration of the conflict became quite common in the modern era. serving for the duration of the campaign was common in the napoleanic era especially in the armies.
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02:23:15 Considering that there was a plane for supper Yamato with the 18 inch turrets swapped out for 2 x 20 inch guns so a six gun ship, would have certainly been better without the centreline 3 x 6 inch turrets.