Sorry that parts of this video are now muted! It got claimed and I had to do that! Sorry! Full version without mutes on Nebula! go.nebula.tv/kat-blaque
@@Jane-oz7pp Exactly. The content was claimed even though it should be totally considered fair use. The "system to protect the creators" apparently only works when said creators are multi-million dollar media companies.
The "I don't wanna hire old white guys" thing was not about being diverse. It was because the old white guys with experience in the industry were calling him out, refusing to participate in this death trap submersible "mission", and it was so much easier for Rush, his "innovation" and his ego, to hire fresh little "yes men/women/people" who were going to buy into his dream.
Exactly. Rush was more interested in having younger (less experienced and probably less expensive to hire) people working on the project. FFS. Somehow if you include "white" in talking about something, it becomes about "wokeness." No need to actually have any listening comprehension whatsoever 🙄
I was talking to my brother who is an engineer, he said it is way easier to build something that can withstand zero pressure like in space than to build something that can withstand 5,000 psi.
It's because atmospheric pressure (The pressure of the space station) is 15 PSI, less than a soccer ball. and technically you can lower the pressure by like half if you raise the oxygen concentration.
Over 1,500 disproportionately poor people died on the Titanic, and five people had no qualms spending £250,000 to go down and visit it for their own entertainment, for the bragging rights of saying they could do it. They were more than happy to treat 1,500 people's gravesites as a playground, they knew the risks of visiting it and they went ahead and did it anyway
It’s difficult for people to wrap their minds around the difference between a million and a billion. One million seconds is less than two weeks. One billion seconds is more than 30 years.
Who cares? You didn’t mention the owners of macys, a lot of bankers, or 1st class passengers who went down with the ship did you? No it’s always okay to hate someone for a demographic. All lives matter.
I live in Greece, in the Messinian region, and during the same days we had a tragic accident involving refugees, and Im still so mad that their story got buried because billionaires are more important. I live 1 hour away from Kalamata, where they took thw refugees. It hit too close to home, literally
When I first heard about this incident, I panicked empathetically, having played the Subnautica games. The ocean depths are terrifying to me, and the idea of dying in an implosion is the stuff made of nightmares. But after learning the details about these people, their intentions, and the technical aspects, empathizing was a bit... difficult. I'm the most sorry about the kid. He didn't wanna be there and just did it for his dad. Also, the optics are bad when this incident gets compared to the Greece migrant boat disaster, which happened at the same time and got way less exposure.
@dodecasomnia Thanks, I didn't know that. I still feel sorry for him cause he was young, and I think he should be allowed to make mistakes, unlike the other adults who enabled a lunatic's ambitions and put him in danger.
I find it telling that he only wanted to hire young people. Not that hiring young people is bad, but if you're the oldest, most experienced person in the room it's easy to enforce what you want on others. Young people are less likely to know when to speak up, or if they do speak up they're easier to be ignored. I think the best teams are ones with a mix of experience levels, where everyone is open to teaching and learning from each other, where everyone feels safe to speak up if somethings not right.
@KatBlaque from what I've read one employee who spoke up about safety concerns was fired, so if that's true, it was definitely not a safe environment to speak up in.
@@appleswithpeanutbutter609 and cutting corners to save money. Dude couldn't even spring for an OEM controller? Instead opting for a third party controller?!! As an old school console gamer ( PS2/N64) I can tell ye a lot of third party hardware is garbage.
@@jules_2.0its worse than that. He got fired and when he spoke up about the safety concerns Rush chased him with legal stuff about leaking company secrets. The ex employee tried to fight it claiming he was a whistleblower but he didnt have enough of his own funds to carry it forward. After a few years i think he had to cave and pay Rush. Theres some good vids on it if you search specifically for the ex employee whistleblowing. I may have remembered the details wrong. But Rush did go after him
As others have noted, younger, less experienced employees command a lower salary. So yeah, he might be spinning that as trying to "inspire", but really all he was trying to inspire was his bottom line.
"At some point, safety is pure waste." one of the things very famously said on board submarines, nuclear reactors, and other such completely safe places.
With such remarks you are simply invoking the bad spirits that punish everyone that refuses to learn about the laws of nature. Especially after firing the only prophet that warned him.
Well, English is a second language for me but didn't he say "at some point"? Doesn't that imply that he himself was aware of the fact that some basic safety procedures ALWAYS HAD to be in place in order for more safety on top of that to be a "waste"? If so he clearly tricked himself into believing that any safety measures are pointless ... 😳
I found it really off in that tik tok talking about "I would hate it if people talked about any group of people deserving to die" because subtextually she seemed to be likening 'eat the rich' to like actual genocide. But the thing is that billionaires are not marginalized and they actively choose to become billionaires (often actively choosing to hurt people & the environment in order to maintain that status). I think billionaires never deserve sympathy. I don't personally find their deaths humorous and I feel bad for the 19 year old kid, but I absolutely do not feel sorry for the billionaire adults in that submersible who died from their own hubris and extravagant spending habits. I think people who are billionaires and/or politicians give up a part of their personhood in order to obtain that level of power and part of that exchange is that people will react to their deaths as cultural symbols rather than as humans.
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376All billionaires made or inherited wealth that was extracted through the exploitation and subjugation of who knows how many workers. As a class they have not respected the personhood of thousands or millions of others. Why should I respect their personhood?
Completely agree with your take. Also want to add that "billionaires shouldn't exist" doesn't mean the same as "all billionaires should die". It means that they should do something good with the money to no longer be billionaires instead of wealth hoarding. A billion is 1,000 millions. Donating half of that would save countless lives and you're *still* left with 500 million. And now you're not a billionaire anymore so people won't laugh about your expensive death.
yes exactly, being a billionaire is not an immutable class like race or gender, it's an active, ongoing crime. you have to work hard to be a billionaire and every little bit of that work is a crime
@@Zelda_ThornYep, and billionaires often make decisions to increase their own wealth that they know will lead to the death of other (often poor/marginalised) people.
It's incredibly important for people to remember, that typically,the statement "you'll never be a billionaire" isn't a statement about their inability to accomplish something. It is usually a statement that their decency and humanity would prevent them from ever being able to hoard resources and keep them away from the people who need them. "You'll never be a billionaire" is synonymous with "you would never laugh at someone dying of thirst while you pour water down a drain." "You'll never be a billionaire" is a compliment.
Somebody once commented on a video "I don't get how all the wealthy 1% don't do more for struggling communities. If I ever become a billionaire, I'm going to share so much of my wealth and make sure people are taken care of" and I said "No, you wouldn't. Bc the journey to becoming a billionaire means that you DON'T take care of people. You would be a completely different person by the time you became one, bc you'd have exploited, cheated, loopholed, laundered, hid, and hoarded your wealth. Do not assume that the morals you hold now would remain, bc it's those very morals you'd have to eschew to even become a billionaire".
And the odds of becoming a billionaire are about 1 to 580,000. Saying "You'll never become a billionaire" is also just far more likely to be factually true than telling someone you can become a billionaire. Some people are more likely to than others, but unless you're born into a billionaire or 9 digit figure net worth family, those odds are pretty low.
@@YourMajesty143 There is truth to that. About the only ways I can think of to become a billionaire without putting acquisition of wealth as your #1 priority are to be born into it/inherit it or gain it in some sort of windfall. Judging by the stories of the "lotto curse", it seems like people who get rich through a windfall tend to end up worse off than before the windfall (family/friends fighting over the money, sometimes even suing over it, living a lavish lifestyle that burns through it all too quickly, etc). The way I see it, we really don't need to be rich. We need to have enough money to pay bills, be able to save some for emergencies, save some for retirement, and have some left over for fun. Once you have enough to meet those needs, anything extra is just greed.
To me as an engineer, and a bit of a safety narc, my main reaction has been anger at Rush for taking passengers down there. If he'd gone down there on his own and died, maybe I would find that funny. But in my mind, he's misled non-technical people (albeit billionaires who I very much do not like) about the safety of his project and his carelessness had led to their deaths. IMO they're victims, and while I don't blame anyone for laughing or not caring, I personally think it's tragic what he did to them
I’m an engineer and I work in nondestructive testing so I feel the same way. The choice of carbon fibre makes no sense to me. Why? Just because it seems cool or because he got it cheap? Any advantages you get from carbon fibre aren’t applicable here. In fact all the disadvantages are. I’m not very familiar with the certification process but I’m not sure that would’ve helped because of the way carbon fibre in this application could fail. Any sort of impact between trips could cause a defect that could lead to a major failure under the pressure from deep sea. I find this whole thing sad and I really don’t think these people understood the risks unless they were all mechanical engineers.
@@noellecollins-vi7gd from what i can gather (other than the cheapness of buying out of date boeing carbon fibre), is that he wanted lightness above all else due to bouyancy issues. he chose it over titanium because it'd be easer to remain light and bouyant when carrying 5 passengers. so. like still just dumb move all around
@@Spamhard But also cost. You can build a titanium hull that is just as buoyant, but that costs more. (Double hull with the void filled with buoyant material)
Also, I’m… morbidly fascinated with just how long it’ll take before someone in Hollywood turns this into a movie. Because Kat’s right, this is a HORRIFYING story. And mark my words, it WILL be commercialized EVEN MORE than it already has been
The BBC was literally already running a documentary about it before they'd been found (this was even before it was finally revealed they were definitely dead from implosion), so yeah, it's probably already being discussed in someone's office as we type.
I'm also looking forward to the blockbuster movie about this - Hollywood will do a great piece on that! 🥹😍 Maybe we will also get to enjoy a series on that? 🤩
When I hear wokeness I really want people to spell out for me what exactly they're taking issue with. Because all I hear is "I'm sick of minorities being represented"
Lol. That lady said two untrue things “poor peoples life isn’t valued less” literally yes it is. Yes it is. If it was valued more, conservatives wouldn’t be vying to cut things like food stamps and affirmative action. “I don’t see conversatives openly calling for the death of any of anybody” where is she looking??
'If I saw someone calling for the death of any group of humans I'd speak out against it.' Liberals. If you want to know why fascists win it's people like this.
I said it once on my Tumblr, and I'll say it again here, the only death that really made me go 'ouch' damn that was fucked up, was precisely the 19 year old. It made me think about how hard it really must be to have psycho billionaire parents. For real though. Like ... Imagine wanting to impress your father when your father couldn't even think better than you not to go into such an unsafe trip. That must've been all sorts of fucked, and well the poor kid got fucked over by adults. He trusted his father and died because of it. It's definitely a terrifying thought. tsk. But other than that, I was just like, oh well four assholes gone. A shit ton more to go. I love your Beetlejuice cosplay!
i genuinely feel bad for the kid and have no sympathy for anyone else. the kid was terrified and didnt want to go, and seemingly his dad badgered him into it. that sucks, even if he likely would have grown up to be a dick
@@deaconlasagna8570 I mean, there really is nothing else you're going to grow up to be, unless you're really headstrong and decide you're not going to continue your parents' shit show. But that hardly happens. The majority of the kids of billionaires just continue the 'tradition' whatever it is.
@@BRivera999 oh definitely, its more like the lack of autonomy over his own life (inherent to being a child/ young adult) that makes it sad. and i want to believe that every young person contains the possibility of breaking out of generational patterns. not likely, tho
@amsterdame hypothetical question, how old are you? cause in my experience it tends to be younger folks who think of teenagers and young adults as big, grown-ups. I'm 20, and yeah I wouldn't consider myself a *child* child, but I'm certainly not fully grown. I'm much more of a child than a 30 year old is.
"Hey guys I guess the family of bats living under my balls fell asleep so I'm gonna take a nap too but please like the video and subscribe to see more spelunking videos!!!!!!" Posted while trapped in an unexplored cave 200ft under snow in Russia
And it's invariably because even though they could have afforded to not die, they didn't and died. Any one of these men could have bought a better submarine by themselves, and all of them decided not to. The idea that this isn't hilarious is just the same kind of limp, nonsensical moral scolding from the right that we always see around issues of tragedy when it impacts people they identify with. Suddenly nothing is a joke and everyone has to be beholden to this strict moral code or we become evidence of some modern moral decline as if people were never this petty throughout history when dumb rich people died doing dumb rich people things.
I feel like this is obvious Kat, but the answer to your question from me is: it's okay to laugh at billionaires getting their comuppance and dying. What's not okay is laughing at the young 18/19 year old son who actively didn't want to do this, and who allegedly asked not to go- but ended up agreeing to make his dad happy. Like forget the billionaires entirely, that kids life being lost is a tradgedy
Well, he actually did want to go, according to his mom. His aunt originally said he didn’t want to go but his mom has come out saying the opposite. He’s still really the only one I feel bad for though
Whether he did or didn't want to go, to me, is a non sequitur bc he was 19. That's still a teenager. That's the stage in life you trust your parents MOST to guide you into this world. Your parents may help you rent an apartment, get your first job, maybe they support you through school...you're just getting started in the world, really. He may be an "adult" but he surely trusted his father to know what's best for him. Heartbreaking in any case, desire to go or not.
Felt very sorry for the young boy. He was only a kid and it horrifies me that he went out that way. But I do think its notable how much time, attention and resources went to these five men who (mostly) knew the risks vs. The 100s of migrants that had drowned crossing the Mediterranean that same week. I wish the people who had faux outrage over these billionaires spent a fraction of their sympathy on the men, women and children who died fleeing nightmarish circumstances
I’ve notice that too! I’ve been weirded out how even some of my most outspoken online friends spent more time about the billionaires, they have multiple posts about them but 1 or 2 posts about the refugees.
@@corycianangel6321 to be fair, most of my outrage about this submersible incident is directly tied to my outrage about the refugees. They’re not separate stories at all, but stories on two sides of the same coin that is our insane neo-gilded age.
@@trevormichael4906 We have no way of knowing what he would've done with that money. You're exhibiting a survivor bias. There are plenty of people who could've ended up being filthy-rich but didn't, for example because they decided to pay their employees more instead of giving themselves a raise or gave it all to charity.
@ziwuri13 please name 15 people in our lifetime who've done what you said since there are plenty of them 🤣 I agree with the op and it's so weird to see people doing mental gymnastics to feel bad for a young billionaire 😵💫
Here in Sweden we have this saying "är huvudet dumt får kroppen lida" which translated to "when the head is stupid the body gets to suffer". I would say this situation is a perfect example of that. As perfect as it gets, in fact.
“I don’t hear Conservatives openly calling for the death of anyone” I’m sorry, did you miss their response to BLM Summer?!? Also, what does the death penalty have to do with people galavanting to the Titanic? Her nerve…. 😂 As the joke goes, you have more in common with an Orca than a Billionaire.
I personally don't believe one persons life should be valued over others, but that's not the society we live in. Billionaires are valued way more, even by people who have nothing to gain from worshipping them. In any case on top of the millions of examples we could pull out of conservatives calling for the death of others, the people that died did that all on their own. No one voted on it, so yeah that has nothing to do with capital punishment.
To quote a wise philosopher Whitney Houston "It's not right, but it's ok." I think it's totally ok to laugh at the hubris and recklessness of it, and I'm one of those ppl that can see the humor in anything. Billionaires aren't just rich. They are almost by definition standing on mountains of exploitation lmao. I'm not shedding any tears if they get clowned on the internet. That said it is mean lol. It's hurtful to their loved ones, and I find it weird that ppl, especially Gen Z, feel the need to morally justify being mean or judgemental. I don't think that's necessary. Sometimes you can just be mean to a bad person on the internet and it is what it is.
The ceo pretending this is scientific research that is somehow helpful to humanity they are explorers with good purpose😂 innovation was hindered by safety rules. the delusional arrogance he was even warned by other experts who told him it was not safe to go under a depth a lot lower than it take to get there. Cause that's so innovative , ignoring proven facts about materials u use is gonna make u a scientist who makes discoveries he kept saying innovation 😢😂😂 there needs to be more safety rules for submersivles in order to keep pretend great scientific maverixks. 😊
Do billionaires really have loved ones? Or just sycophants? How can you have loved ones if you've shed every degree of empathy (which you must to stand on the lives of as many people as billionaires must)? I agree with you, but I don't think it's possible for a billionaire to experience love, because that requires empathy. And if you cannot experience love, I think it stands to reason you can't have a loved one.
@@slipperyrancidcheese Everyone is capable of empathy just as everyone is capable of self-defense. The problem is not everyone engages it in time to save themselves; sometimes the situation has escalated too quickly. People also love rationalizing their behavior, finding a scapegoat, and using black and white thinking to create a them and us divide (and the organizational part is kinda baked into humanity, but that doesn't automatically make it right.) At the end of the day, a billionaire could care about plenty of people but to find out if their closest friends and family actually loved them, you'd have to talk to those people and then conjecture from their response whether or not the billionaire loved them as well or if everyone involved was too selfish even for that. Greed can change anyone, never forget. It's why the kindest people almost never become billionaires to begin with.
"a poor persons life isn't valued less" so who's gonna tell her? does she not know? she just glossed over the concept of poverty & capitalism like it's a fart in the wind.
I literally read this comment right as it got to that part and my first thought is to just bend backwards in whiplash for how ignorant that lady sounded
Kat's comment made me do the math. Where I am, a good cup of coffee is, let's say, $2.50 US. Maybe I have 10K in my bank account, so a coffee costs me 0.025% of my savings. That's literally how much money 250K is to a billionaire: 0.025%. Absolutely fucking obscene.
I have the same amount of empathy for them (minus the kid) as I do wealthy, unprepared Everest climbers who die on the mountain. Sad, I guess, but theres only so much sympathy I can have for someone who willingly put themselves in the most extreme situations because they thought nature cares how much money you have.
You mean like first responders? My partner is a volunteer fireman. He goes into dangerous situations all the time. To help others. I mean it seems like you don't have empathy because your narcissism. It's a trait they all have in common.
@@Strawb_Goblin Yeah it does, they run into dangerous situations every day. What's wild is the narcissism running rampant over the deaths of people doing something you wouldn't have the guts to do.
Yeah, I’m primarily angry with the owner and happy he went down with it, it’s very appropriate, and I wish he didn’t take other people with him, but at least it wasn’t “golden ticket” stuff but paid in to go into that death trap.
@@jamisanmatalonis8458 it reminded me of that "trying too hard" 'gender swapped steampunk joker in a willy wonka hat' cosplay meme that has gone around where someone incorrectly assumes a character is such when they just didnt know about the char the cosplay was actually based on (Duela Dent) xD
As a humanbeing who has empathy. I am horrified imagining their final moments. As someone who wants the world to be a better place... I'm laughing so friggen hard at this.
Don't be horrified. Implosions happen so quickly that a human's nerve syytem isn't fast enough to send a signal to the brain. None of them even knew they had died and nonw of them had the time to feel any pain.
@@07Flash11MRC you're right about the implosion. But there's really no way for us to know that they didn't realize something was wrong before it happened Do we have theories on what the banging sound was that rescue teams heard? My brain goes straight to them banging for help....
My thought on him wanting younger people on his team wasn't "wokeness" but wanting people that would assume he knew best and not challenge his ideas. Circles right back around to what you said about arrogance.
I agree with what you said. I think the cost is another factor as well. A 50 year old with years of experience will expect to be paid more money than 16 year old or recent college graduate. He was cheap in other aspects and I wouldn't be surprised if he cut corners on labor too. Edit: A 16 year old is likely not going to ask for benefits like health insurance either.
You can laugh at the absurdity of the situation and the chain of terrible decisions that lead to the event, while also understanding that the death of anyone is a tragedy.
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 "when you cut a liberal, a fascist bleeds" isn't a clapback, it's a warning. these people would have voted for trump by the truckload before they voted for bernie. at the end of the day the only thing the object to about their conservative peers are purely optics-based.
I feel like there’s layers of ok to this one. This isn’t Princess Di getting harassed to death (literally) while just living her life. This isn’t a mentally unwell flat-earther trying to prove something with the best material they could afford and being terribly wrong. These are people that had every possible advantage and opportunity to NOT Darwin themselves and plowed that direction regardless, and got the most painless most instantaneous death possible. I feel bad for the people that cared about them, you don’t choose who it hurts to lose, I’m not gonna go out of my way to make my laughter heard at anyone’s funeral, but I’m definitely still laughing.
I didn't really laugh at any point, but I do think the CEO absolutely deserved this. Him having been onboard lowkey restores my faith in some kind of cosmic justice
@patchnpaw15 I totally agree. So many people like him leave the real risks to others while they take all the credit, so it was nice to see him suffer the consequences of his arrogant and reckless decisions as well.
I have a lot of thoughts about this because I'm a Newfoundlander (Newfoundland is the Canadian province that Oceangate operated in), watching NTV when this went down was crazy because they were only interviewing people on the street that were like "this is so sad" but most of the people I know were condemning the billionaires or saying "any loss of life is a tragedy no matter the circumstance". My Nana called them "stupid daredevils that got what was coming for them." So so out of touch because my culture raises people to be very respectful of the ocean's strength and know that the ocean will kill you with a flick of her wrist. My personal opinion is that this is just another example of wealthy tourists from the States/Asia/Europe coming to Newfoundland and doing absolutely no research of what it's like here and overall making a lot of assumption/judgments. I also want to add that's it's fairly common for the ocean to take people here, but the locals who unfortunately get taken (who are usually just doing their jobs trying to provide for their families) do not get any sort of multicountry search team for them, and their families either bury an empty casket or their body washes on shore.
Thank you @faemaiden5090 for sharing your opinion as a local Newfoundlander and some of the opinions of friends and family. I’m also intrigued by the language you use when describing the power of the sea and how central it is to your heritage, very grateful for your words 😊
It's so important to remember that other lives (poorer lives) are quite literally not valued as much. People do not extensively search for them. Why? How sad is that?
Fellow Newfie here, I also got a bit of that weird dissonance going on - though maybe it's a matter of just being in different circles. Like when someone drowns, like that one kid out on the west coast this summer, the vibe is usually WAY more sympathetic than what I've heard for the people on the Titan, or like those tourists who got swept out of Cape Spear (if I remember that story correctly). My mom basically said the same thing. "Tourists are fuckin stunned" It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but what's weird is I sort of feel the same way. I don't think a rich person's life should be valued less than a poor person. There's a power imbalance there obviously but it's a systemic issue, it doesn't mean anyone deserves to die.
One big point to bring up in the "it's not right to wish death on anyone" argument is that billionaires on the whole actively lobby against workplace safety & ethics regulations in almost any industry. They spend a lot of money on ensuring that they don't have to provide safety to workers, so that they can then profit even more. It's not, "the poor want the rich dead," it's moreso, "the rich are killing the poor, and so the poor don't gaf when rich people die."
my issue here is the SPEED at which so many forces came together in an attempt to find these 5 people. the amount of coverage is also insane. i don't like that these literal billionaires, who put themselves in a situation like this, were given so much more attention than other people who were put in far more tragic situations against their will. the only person i truly feel sorry for is the son because he wanted to spend time with his father, someone who was supposed to protect him :^(
you really hit the nail on the head of where the humor comes from - the dramatic irony of watching clips of Stockton Rush making bold claims about his innovation knowing how this whole thing goes
The only person I pity is the teenager. The whole thing is a mess and I hope it serves as a warning to other billionaires that they can't just do whatever they want
Def the teen fucked me up a lot. I've def been the position before of doing something against your will that you feel unsafe about because of coercion. I didn't appreciate how people felt comfortable brushing that off either, at least in my circles on social media. It felt like they had already been making fun of the incident and so figured they'd just double down even more :/
Regarding your last point: I don't think this is the worst way to go. Like you also said, the implosion apparently happened extremely fast and they didn't have enough time register it, let alone suffer. The sad part is not how they died but that death was completely avoidable. I mean, diving deep into the ocean in a tiny can, just so you can look at a century old shipwreck makes me think that they were so bored with their lives that it made them ignore even basic common sense. And I think that's the reason why people are making jokes. Not because they are dead, but because how stupid this whole endeavor was from the get go.
Yeah. While the rescue mission was still underway, I couldn't help thinking how awful it must be, to be stuck down there with a broken motor or something, knowing your oxygen is going to run out soon. Now that's a gruesome thought, irrespective of who the victims are. Because you can't help imagining yourself in that same situation. I'm glad, it was a quick, painless death after all...because I wouldn't wish prolonged suffering on anyone. But other than that, I don't see why I should care about these people's death more than over the death of other, random strangers.
Honestly that kid got to me. He looks like some of my students. I think it’s always tragic when a young person dies, regardless the circumstances. When I was in high school, a friend slipped while taking a photo on a gorge in Spain and fell to his death. Had there been no teens on board it might’ve hit different.
I resonate deeply with your comments on money and so rarely hear other public figures or even high income professionals in my own circles speak to this I don’t understand people who feel the need to hoard more money than is necessary to have a comfortable home and engage in hobbies. It just feels like a power trip.
absolutely! when youre a billionaire, your humanity is automatically revoked. because you have become the ultimate slave holder, one that can hide behind circumstance and other people, but ultimately still a slave holder.
What hit hard about the son is not only am i the same age as him, his university (Strathclyde) is just across the road from the college I attend. I remember hearing and it just broke my heart, especially when I heard he didn't want to go on the submersible. My mum said "I bet they were telling him to man up or be a man". The others were arrogant about this but Suleman was genuinely scared. He's the one I feel so upset for.
Let's be honst the only reason the CEO didn't want to hire "old white man", with decades of experience, is because these kind of people are expensive. It's just cheaper to hire young people freshout of college or university, or something similar. He didn't give a rats ass about diversity. He want cheap employees with the added bonus that they wouldn't talk back with decades of experience we he pitch his ideas and told them what to do.
I’m glad you made this video. I’ve gotten a lot of hostility from my friends over how conflicted I’ve felt over this. On one hand, yeah, this was completely avoidable. This dude had everyone telling him that this sub was not at all safe and he thought he knew more than everyone else. On the other hand, it’s hard for me to enjoy memes about it when there was a 19 year old on board to make his dad happy. He could have said no, sure, but idk. I can understand that. And while I understand that the memes aren’t necessarily just for him (and I would never expect anyone to make that distinction in a meme), it does make it a little harder for me to immediately join in. I guess I’m just glad that someone else could verbalize why I felt bad for the kid and mom while also shaking my damn head at the rest of these exploitative, cocky fools. I appreciate you! (Edited for formatting)
What is funny is the overall hypocrisy on all of this, empathy is not something you can switch on and off, if they have enough empathy to help poor people then they wouldnt be laughing at the deaths of others. The people who laughs at their deaths and make memes probably never have helped poor people in their lives, very similar to the billionaires they hate so much.
we've been mocking the arrogance and hubris of the morbidly rich since before the pyramids were built. it's always morally correct to use them as an object lesson in that way.
The ppl who decide the Darwin Awards are prolly billionaires. So they ignore their much higher rates of stupid deaths... In example - one of the loudest directors of "moms for liberty" against masks and vaccines died from covid in like the fall of 2021 (California). The entire organization swept her under the rug like she never existed. Like she was a very inconvenient piece of garbage to be discarded of. No thoughts and prayers for her or her family.
Implosion is so fast at that depth. They would not even had an inkling of any issue. Implosion happens within 1-5 milliseconds and human perception happens in hundreds of milliseconds. So the sub could implode hundreds of times over and they wouldn’t even know. No pain, no fear and 100% dead in 1-5 milliseconds.
Rush thought he could cheat physics laws with money, but the atmospheric pressure 4 kilometers underwater doesn't care about your bank account. He made his bed then laid in it, along with four other people. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19-year-old who was there only because his father pressured him into doing it.
Yeah that's fair. I don't think it's right to laugh at people dieing in horrible circumstances, but if u don't know them personally, u don't exactly have to grieve them.
Regardless of what you think about the ethics of the situation, five people deciding to pay absurd amounts of money to travel in a badly designed metal tube to the bottom of the ocean and then shocked pikachu face when the subversive fails...I mean it's kind of funny...
The game controller is not the weirdest thing tbh, its very common with many steerings when it comes to military weapons and machines. Same for marine ones. However...... They used a logitech one and not more complex ones which can be questioned for sure 😂
I think despite the laughter we feel the most bad for the kid. He was kind of forced by his parents to go on it and he had his whole life ahead of it. An actual innocent kid/young man in this.
No, I actually saw people slandering him and conflating him with a person who wasn’t on the ship to justify laughing at his death. In fact they said “Five less terrible people! Yay!” Also, the person piloting the ship was employed to operate it. He wasn’t a billionaire. That’s 2/5 people. Glossing over a professional doing his job to laugh at him dying (explicitly, since people “only feel bad for the kid”)… I didn’t realize that was praxis. And I know it’s aimed at him specifically because someone did the math of him going down as if he had paid each time, when he worked there.
@@biguattipoptropica The CEO was the the one piloting, surely you're not implying he "employed" himself to operate it? Everyone else was a billionaire but the kid.
@@ShadowMark474the old French diver was not a billionaire. He was the one who would do talks about the titanic. However he should have known better, and his friends have said he seemed to have an addiction to it.
The only person I feel for is the kid, who was apparently terrified but took the trip for his dad's sake. The other four... It was an astounding display of hubris on their parts. And you know no-one will learn from this.
Totally agree with you on this. Do I think billionaires are right and someone I should aspire to be? No! I want to be more secure financially (I'm not, I have to work constantly or I won't be able to buy food or pay for my apartment), but I cannot fathom having mansions or 20 cars or billions on a bank account. Like, why the heck would any one person need all this? And I'm perfectly aware that I'm never going to be a billionaire or even a wealthy person, because I don't want to change my personality and make certain sacrifices (including morally and ethically) that would allow me to be wealthy. And I'm okay with that. At the same time, I did feel uncomfortable celebrating other people's horrible end, because... other people's end is not something you're supposed to celebrate, no matter what kind of people they are, it achieves nothing, it improves nothing and helps nobody.
The wanting everything deregulated part is what gets me too. It's like yeah regulations do not exist to take your money from you they exist to keep bad things from happening. Like say people loosing their lives.
Hamish Harding’s family used to own a slave plantation in Jamaica that man would spend his money on anything but reparations. The Atlantic took her shot when she had it.
You mentioned it, but I wanted to highlight that there's a difference between laughing at *how* they died, and laughing at *why* they died. When the news first broke out, I saw a lot of people wishing that the billionaires were suffering before they died, and that to me felt a little too much like saying "this person I think is bad is getting punished in a way I see fit", and it's just by coincidence that the person in question is a billionaire, which most (left leaning) people hate. In other words, the focus is on a "bad person" getting a "proper, moral punishment". In a way, it feels very Christian to me. The second, laughing at *why* they died, the focus is more on the hubris billionaires tend to have and them *finally* experiencing some kind of consequence for it. That, to me, highlights the more important aspect: that people were allowed to accumulate that much wealth, and that the accumulation of that wealth somehow made them think they could conquer nature.
I saw another comment comparing it to wealthy, unprepared climbers dying on Everest. The type of death itself is horrible, but I struggle to grieve people who endanger desperate poor people (Everest guides) for a photo-op.
@@dodecasomnia especially since everest isn't even a difficult mountain to climb in comparison, they literally just buy their way up, destroy the environment and push as much danger as possible on poor guides who didn't really have a choice
I've also seen a lot of people bring up the fact that a boat carrying refugees sunk and killed hundreds of people on the greek coast, as the greek coast guard watched and did nothing, at the same time as the whole western world was losing it's shit trying to find 5 billionares who paid 250000$ to get put in this situation. There's definitely something very off putting in that - how much more value these 5 men's lives had in comparison to these hundreds of incredibly vulnearable people, many of which were children. But also the medittarean refugee crisis shouldn't be left as a mere whataboutism, people have been dying on the sea for years as EU sits back and lets it happen, and european coastal countries have actively worked to prevent boats from coming to their shores. These people's lives shouldn't be reduced to mere rethorical ammo either. And i'm afraid they will be quickly forgotten as people move on from the submersible story to the next big scandal. The whole situation just makes me feel so frustrated and helpless and angry, especially since the EU likes to maintain such a "clean" image and pretend it's solved human rights already, and then silently does this. I really couldn't give less of a fuck about 5 billionares buying their own death.
Also, there was a Billionaire/millionaire's ship near them that REFUSED TO HELP them. Their excuse was: "They didn't want to be helped". Tell me again that I have to be sorry for the rich.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035Two cargo vessels also encountered the ship that capsized in Greek waters. Other than food and water, which they gave to the ship, they refused any other help. They expected to be picked up by the Greek coast guard, and thats what the traffickers gamble on. And thats why 27,000 refugees have died to date. They are stuck between two ruthless entities. Ine is a criminasl network, and the other is a continent whose economic future is uncertain because of debt. It will be resolved one way or see another, but more people will die until it is because they can't stop the trafficking. And neither can the EU afford to be offering an open invitation either. The tribal nature of human beings inhibits such generosity, as can be seen by the millions of Euros being spent to stop the traffic. The politics is nasty too, as the voters in the receiving countries are divided on migration. And some politicians exploit that. So pointing fingers at the EU ignores Trump's Wall, and the Hungarian Border wire. And other rejections of migration. Until we can be ruthlessly honest about the situation, people will continue to die. And some are content to let that happen. And so it goes on.
Whether it's the 750+ people near Greece the week before, or the approximately 50 people in peril at sea near Spain around the same time as the 5 lost while tragedy tourism was attempted were being searched for...(* Agreed, the lives of the people lost "should not be reduced to rhetorical ammo" )...Yeah, the proportion of coverage was disappointingly out of balance for political, classist reasons... May I suggest the series, " I'm A Virgo", from Boots Riley? It's a bit of a sci-fi/ social commentary about propaganda with bits of humor and wisdom mixed in.
For me personally, I just think looking at anyone's death as an opportunity to crack jokes is just bad for your soul. I feel like it implies that there is at least one type of human suffering that is acceptable when it should be zero. And I'm not trying to say you should be mourning and crying your eyes out but actively making fun of their deaths is completely pointless and doesn't really help make anyone's life better. I don't really care how arrogant stockon rush was in breaking all of this safety protocol, he still doesn't deserve to die.
Ignoring lots of people with lots of experience telling you there's a problem _and_ just looking at a tube and not thinking "maybe it's going to flex a bit towards the middle there" is a hilarious amount of hubris. Rush got crushed to mush by his own arrogance
I don't personally feel mixed on this topic. I don't think it's good to celebrate the death of anyone. HOWEVER, I found it kind of annoying how so much attention, incessant attention, was put onto this whole issue when other horrible things were going on at the time that were much more worthy of coverage. I think the deaths of 5 people, who did something incredibly dangerous and put their lives at risk, was not worthy of all the attention it got (and I think it got so much attention because they were so rich/high profile which I do find gross). I can't deny, though. I did laugh at some of the memes- what else are you supposed to do when the submersible was controlled by a gaming controller?? I think laughing at dark humor is different from actively celebrating someone's death.
Came here to say this! On a human level, I was kind of horrified to see the deaths of people being celebrated and used for memes on the same day. That doesn't feel right to me. And it doesn't mean I didn't ALSO get annoyed that 100 people died on the Mediterranean in the same week, with much less attention, care, and resources put into their rescue. Two things can be true at once.
Setting aside the issue of the billionaires for just a sec, the thing the guy said at the beginning about "safety limits innovation" REALLY reminded me of the Verrükt incident at Schlitterbahn (for those not in the know, a waterslide was designed by someone with basically the same mentality that "innovation" is more important than safety. The waterslide opened and a young boy was killed riding it). Going back to the billionaires, my main thought throughout the whole OceanGate thing (they were realllly tempting fate with that name btw) has been "ok, so NOW people are going to start caring about safety regulations because it has impacted the rich". Because usually when people die due to safety regulations being ignored, it's working-class people (Triangle Shirtwaist factory, etc.) Even the Schlitterbahn incident, I wonder if it would have gotten the (scant) news coverage that it did if the kid hadn't been the son of a representative. Actually, and ironically, the Titanic itself did cause many safety regulations for ships to be revised and made stricter, which may not have happened if there had not been deaths of rich passengers in addition to that of the "third-class" passengers
About the TikTok on 6:41: I don't think people are out here actively wishing for billionaires to die, we're just *indifferent* to it. And in this specific case, _it was funny because of the circumstances_ I mean, these people saw death written all over their stupid plan and still chose to completely ignore it, and there were also so many things that were just downright bizarre about this whole ordeal 🤦
Love seeing the "woke is bad" guy completely ignore that regulations would have helped a lot. It's not diversity -it wasn't anyway- it was ignorant flaunting of safety standards
I look at this incident the same way I look at the Darwin Awards, I'm not necessarily laughing at them dying as much as I'm laughing at them doing something so obviously stupid that just happened to result in their death. Not to mention the fact that so many resources went into saving them while at the same time a boat with 750 migrants was also in danger and needed help... hard to be that sympathetic
Yep, it's that immediate juxtaposition with a case where there might have been the possibility of rescuing some people but instead nothing got done. TikTok person should be venting her anger at the Greek Coast Guard (among others) more than at the chronically online
I don't necessarily find it funny, I just am not especially sympathetic. I know there are people who would say that makes me horrible and callous, but my sympathy is limited for extremely privileged people who do something stupid and face consequences. It's especially concerning to me that the media focused SO much on this case and we spent so much money on the rescue that could have been better spent helping people who probably deserve it more than looking for a bunch of almost certainly dead billionaires
Every year 9 million people die from hunger (WPF). The UN estimated cost $6 billion to end world hunger. Always remember, each one of those billionaires could have ended world hunger, saving 9 million lives annually, but choose not to. So don't feel bad for them
I laughed and I’m still laughing. Not rooting for their death, but definitely laughing at their stupidity and lack of concern for their own lives 😂😂😂😂😂
i was too busy feeling bad about the one who was only 19 (and his mother) to laugh - though I can understand why others did. Also, when catastrophes happen, we are often told 'they didn't know it was going to happen' or 'they didn't feel a thing.' Just as often, that turns out to be BS. You should look into some of the information that has come out since. It's quite possible they knew. There were warning signs and messages from the men in the sub less than two hours into the dive and contact was lost shortly after.
is the transcript even real though? Or just made up by somebody? It wasn't comfirmed or shared by any official source, just shared by random on social media. And I don't think it's real, 'cause some details contradicts what we know about the tragedy.
@@DaP84 I agree it should be looked at critically. However, it wouldn't have been confirmed by an official source if it contradicted their narrative. Just a thought - YMMV.
@@EvBarney I was thinking evidence that goes against info in this transcript. It says they released the ballast. But the ballast was still attached to the recovered wreckage that we've seen.
my most controversial opinion is that not everyone deserves your compassion or empathy. being selective about who you give it to doesn't make you a bad person, it's who you decide to give it to (cause we aren't physically o mentally capable of feeling empathy for every living being)
No, not everyone deserves to have our sympathy, but I don't think there's a "reserve" for how much empathy one should give. Being selective isn't a result of some limited capacity, it's merely a result of moral consistency. I haven't laughed at any of this BUT I don't see why if people don't like billionaires and laugh at them when they're alive, then why should anyone stop doing that just bc they've passed away? They died being the same people that they were when they were living, in fact they died bc of the out-of-touch arrogance that makes us laugh at them. Yes, their loved ones will mourn them, but I'm not obligated to do so and I don't have to curb my apathy for their death just bc it makes others uncomfortable. Where was the concern and empathy for the billion people, that will die at the hands of the billionaires who created the world's catastrophies? We're giving the same apathy at their deaths that they've given to the poor and vulnerable. Not to mention 65 million of our tax dollars went into their failed rescue, while 700 refugees were left to die out on the Greek coast. Why should anyone care that the destructive villains of our capitalistic world are no longer here to continue their exploitative practices?
Literally the only person I feel sad for is the 19 year old. He didn’t even want to be on there. I hope that he had no clue anything was wrong until the very end.
This Stockton Rush character was not just full of hubris. He was also a confidence trickster. He made the choices he made to save on money and the arrogance was to appeal to the rich clientele who bought his emperor's new clothes spiel.
Every new fact i learn about this shows how entierly preventable this was. And that if even if the passangers didnt deserve this fate Rush sure as hell did.
I dont care if a billionaire dies but at the same time, I'm not gonna celebrate it either. Although I dont think people are awful for celebrating it if they want to. Also, the Beetlejuice look is stunning
Exactly. I'm not any more or less sad about it due to them being billionaires, but the celebration of the death of a bunch of people who weren't harming anyone is disturbing
@@Nick-kf3io the person was saying the opposite, that they don't think people are awful for celebrating. I wouldn't think they're awful either but definetly some level of sociopathy going on that I'd want to keep away from
@@helena4440 Yeah I'm kind of coming from it at an angle where if someone is doing some substantial amount of harm and people are celebrating it (edit, *their death) I can kinda get why they would. I generally believe that celebrating death is morbid, but people handle things differently you know
(Typing this while starting to watch) I think when I've laughed at horrible memes its really been due to the feeling of impotence at the absolute horror and devastation these billionaires get away with while still receiving more empathy and actual physical attention than millions of people who are living through abject poverty and hunger (almost a billion people living with extreme food insecurity and 88 companies causing most of global warming). I laugh out of rage at the dying of our species. This tech billionaire who founded this company with no consideration for life and safety of anyone onboard, but enough hubris to enter his own shoddy structure. He exploited his workers, didn't believe in human rights, and wanted to mine the deep seas to the further detriment of nature and humanity. This week we've had the highest temperatures ever recorded. Thousands of climate refugees are drowning feet away from coast guard ships in the Mediterranean, their bodies fodder for jokes from Europeans (looking at you Charlie Hebdo). Laughing at stupid memes does them less damage than what they deserve for the literal death of their and every other species on this tiny blue speck in space. PS Finished the video, you make really nuanced points and your look is perfect!
This. I’m Greek (and Pontic-Greek at that, so the refugee crisis hits a bit closer to home) and it’s been genuinely crushing to see how disproportionately little coverage the deaths of so many refugees has gotten outside of the Mediterranean in comparison to the self-inflicted submarine clown fiesta. Or how flippant some of the responses (especially from European countries not affected by this crisis) have been. I feel sorry for the 19yo who didn’t even want to be there (I think there was also a researcher?) but that’s it. Why are the media putting so much more value on the lives of these few rich people in comparison to so many tragically lost? I’ve seen conservatives try to claim some kind of moral superiority over this (like they are the only ones who care about human life supposedly- which, I have to laugh) but as always, it’s painfully obvious there are very specific lives they care about. The drowned refugees? Cue the “that’s one problem solved” memes. You don’t see conservatives cheer for the death of anyone though noooo.
I simply think it is very telling that people are paying more attention to the ethics and nitty-gritties of laughing at 5 billionaires than to the hundreds of people who suffer and die as a result of these people's actions everyday.
Rhetorical: what am I supposed to feel when billionaires, who can only become billionaires after exploiting and ruining actual lives, throw away safety concerns and pay a quarter of a million dollars to die? I owe it to myself not to get too upset about it, if I chuckle at the irony, I’m fine with that too.
I'm Nigerian. When Sani Abacha a former Nigerian dictator died people celebrated in the streets and partied. To this day, the older generation still smile every June 8th to commemorate his death. Those billionaires and especially that kid were not as bad as Sani Abacha
Ok, let me ask you something, How did Sani Abacha got there? How did he get to be in power? I can almost garante that he did so with support from billionares; I grew up with a dictator also and he didn't get to be in power Just because, he was supported by the united states AND billionares.
@@Whosaskin yeah i'm not sure what homie is trying to say here? we shouldn't hate billionaires bc there are worse ppl? despite the fact that billionaires support dictators all the time if it suits their interests
I don’t feel comfortable laughing at any death, but that’s my personal feeling. It’s not right for me to take a moral high ground and tell others how to react. I think the whole situation is just sad: it’s sad that billionaires live such exploitative lives (and that they refuse to see or account for how awful it is for them to hoard that much money), it’s sad that people who ignore safety regulations are lauded as geniuses and it enables them to put people in danger, and the saddest part is that this became such a media spectacle when migrants are continuing to die at sea just for seeking refuge, but they receive less recognition and less help.
I always say "there's no such thing as a benevolent billionaire" sure some are better than others but someone probably has /is being exploited in order for such wealth to be acquired. I won't wish death on someone, but I will admit to not caring if that's what unfortunately happens( if they're a person with a negative impact). The respect you get in death is based on what you earned while alive. I'm laughing at this guy in particular because of his cocky attitude leading up to this devastating incident (and there is something funny about him literally not even seeing his death coming).
it is a guarantee that people are being exploited by their wealth. it is literally impossible to not ruin lives by being a billionaire, by hoarding wealth they directly contribute to people starving to death, becoming homeless, being human-trafficked, etc. etc.
I was really uncomfortable with people passing around memes and acclamations of these people dying were funny and claiming that people who felt bad for them were "hypocrites" or any of the like. What makes me angry is that the guy was told by experts that it would be dangerous and he ignored them for the sake of "entrepreneurship". In a vacuum, enjoying someone's death isn't something that is socially desirable or acceptable and shows the callousness people have for other life. However, if those said people committed horrible crimes or have refused to essentially give back in any way, it's less likely those people will get any sympathy.
I feel bad for them, i have a lot of empathy and thats not something I want to disabuse myself of. If I had billions of dollars I can def see myself spending 250k on something others might see as silly (like following my favorite band around). I have no empathy for that Rush guy though. He was killed by his own hubris, 100% But I also dont understand how people can have that much money and not feel the urge to donate as much as they can. How can you see all the suffering in the world and not want to do everything you can to stop it? Billionaires baffle me.
Yeah it's incomprehensible to me how someone who can just spend $250,000 can go to bed at night peacefully wasting it on a fucking joy ride. Honestly if it were me and I had my housing and living situation set along with my friends and family I have literally no need for anything more.
@@Worthless1010 ^^^ exactly, i'm pretty sure most of us would be happy enough with just that. i don't even know why people would want to hoard that much money and outright attach a name to their wealth, like, i sure as hell don't want my friends and family to think i'm their money bag...
As for the question of the billionaires. I dont think billionaires should die, I just think they should not exist. I'm here for billionaires to not exist anymore. I feel sorry for the teenager, the rest of them had the resources to investigate how safe or rather, not safe, what they were doing is.
Capital punishment girl is making me angry. No one is calling for rich people to die, its just funny when their very own extravagance and arrogance causes them to die
Nah to the guillotine with em but fr she's actin like poor people want them euthanised when really we just don't want people hoarding money whilst people die from poverty
i think it's fair to find billionares dying funny. maybe that makes me a bad person, but they are directly responsible for so much suffering in the world. i don't know which billionares were in the sub but I'm willing to bet all of them except the kid are responsible for more suffering than they went through as they died. i don't like my own explanation here because i think it's too utilitarian and almost robotic. i can't quite articulate how i feel on the matter any better than that though.
If we had a far more equitable world where everyone was taken care of and there were meaningful opportunities for everyone, then there wouldn't be that kind of laughter. There would only be the "Darwin awards" kind of laughter at his arrogance. But there wouldn't be the "eat the rich" sentiment if we were not all living in a dystopia while a tiny percentage of people control the world's wealth. So I see the laughter as a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. And if people don't think inequality is a problem, they are in denial or out of touch.
wait... they named the submarine the titan? Because um... History doesn't repeat itself, and it almost never rhymes, but there was this conspiracy fact about how right before the titanic was built a novel called "the wreck of the titan" was published about a bunch of wealthy people dying on a sinking ship, and... I...
Oh if I'm being fr fr, I don't think anyone becomes a billionaire without killing or at the minimum ruining lives or making other people's lives very difficult, so no I don't feel bad when they die
I don't see conservatives openly calling for the death of ANYONE!-Um HI except for you know, poc who they perceive as committing even minor crimes, LGBT people, poor people who can't afford medical care....
I'm apathetic about this situation. I will say this, I love those billionaires far less than anyone else victimized during the week this happened. I also have less love for those billionaires than every penny spent trying to rescue them.
Sorry that parts of this video are now muted! It got claimed and I had to do that! Sorry! Full version without mutes on Nebula! go.nebula.tv/kat-blaque
Hey Kat, love your videos. I went to check nebula to hear the unmuted version, but it doesn't seem to be there. Is it still to come or scrapped?
UA-cam really working overtime to make videos 80% less enjoyable, aren't they? They really don't respect the work that makes them rich.
@@Jane-oz7pp Exactly. The content was claimed even though it should be totally considered fair use. The "system to protect the creators" apparently only works when said creators are multi-million dollar media companies.
The "I don't wanna hire old white guys" thing was not about being diverse. It was because the old white guys with experience in the industry were calling him out, refusing to participate in this death trap submersible "mission", and it was so much easier for Rush, his "innovation" and his ego, to hire fresh little "yes men/women/people" who were going to buy into his dream.
This right here!
Stockton did seem to have a lot of young white people about...
Exactly. Rush was more interested in having younger (less experienced and probably less expensive to hire) people working on the project. FFS. Somehow if you include "white" in talking about something, it becomes about "wokeness." No need to actually have any listening comprehension whatsoever 🙄
Also, the "old white guys" with actual experience would have required higher pay than new grads.
Yep. And the conservatives on Twitter then said 'so this is the blk ppls fault!'
I was like... how'd we get in it???!
I was talking to my brother who is an engineer, he said it is way easier to build something that can withstand zero pressure like in space than to build something that can withstand 5,000 psi.
It's because atmospheric pressure (The pressure of the space station) is 15 PSI, less than a soccer ball.
and technically you can lower the pressure by like half if you raise the oxygen concentration.
Of course
@@FrancisR420Why are you explaining it to her if she already said she spoke with her engineer brother
@@julijeppFor the same reason you took the time out of your life to respond. Because he can.....
@@julijeppthey added context and didn't mansplain let's move on
Over 1,500 disproportionately poor people died on the Titanic, and five people had no qualms spending £250,000 to go down and visit it for their own entertainment, for the bragging rights of saying they could do it. They were more than happy to treat 1,500 people's gravesites as a playground, they knew the risks of visiting it and they went ahead and did it anyway
And now they're dancing forever in that old timey ballroom with the titanic ghosts.
It’s difficult for people to wrap their minds around the difference between a million and a billion. One million seconds is less than two weeks. One billion seconds is more than 30 years.
@@alexwyatt2911Damn, that really puts it into perspective
@@alexwyatt2911 wait... that doesn't sound right. Are you sure your math is correct?
omg I just googled it and you are correct
Who cares? You didn’t mention the owners of macys, a lot of bankers, or 1st class passengers who went down with the ship did you? No it’s always okay to hate someone for a demographic. All lives matter.
I live in Greece, in the Messinian region, and during the same days we had a tragic accident involving refugees, and Im still so mad that their story got buried because billionaires are more important. I live 1 hour away from Kalamata, where they took thw refugees. It hit too close to home, literally
When I first heard about this incident, I panicked empathetically, having played the Subnautica games. The ocean depths are terrifying to me, and the idea of dying in an implosion is the stuff made of nightmares. But after learning the details about these people, their intentions, and the technical aspects, empathizing was a bit... difficult. I'm the most sorry about the kid. He didn't wanna be there and just did it for his dad.
Also, the optics are bad when this incident gets compared to the Greece migrant boat disaster, which happened at the same time and got way less exposure.
If it's any consolation, the kid not wanting to be there may be a lie made up by an estranged aunt to smear the father or draw attention to herself.
I havnt heard about the migrant disaster at all but I'm nor surprised. Americans tend to not care about migrants but love billionaires
@dodecasomnia Thanks, I didn't know that. I still feel sorry for him cause he was young, and I think he should be allowed to make mistakes, unlike the other adults who enabled a lunatic's ambitions and put him in danger.
This
I agree, I had no clue about the Greece incident until reading a comment about it on a video about the missing billionaires. 😭
I find it telling that he only wanted to hire young people. Not that hiring young people is bad, but if you're the oldest, most experienced person in the room it's easy to enforce what you want on others. Young people are less likely to know when to speak up, or if they do speak up they're easier to be ignored.
I think the best teams are ones with a mix of experience levels, where everyone is open to teaching and learning from each other, where everyone feels safe to speak up if somethings not right.
He didn’t only hire older people but I think hiring younger people was more so he could have his way
@KatBlaque from what I've read one employee who spoke up about safety concerns was fired, so if that's true, it was definitely not a safe environment to speak up in.
@@appleswithpeanutbutter609 and cutting corners to save money. Dude couldn't even spring for an OEM controller? Instead opting for a third party controller?!! As an old school console gamer ( PS2/N64) I can tell ye a lot of third party hardware is garbage.
@@jules_2.0its worse than that. He got fired and when he spoke up about the safety concerns Rush chased him with legal stuff about leaking company secrets. The ex employee tried to fight it claiming he was a whistleblower but he didnt have enough of his own funds to carry it forward. After a few years i think he had to cave and pay Rush. Theres some good vids on it if you search specifically for the ex employee whistleblowing. I may have remembered the details wrong. But Rush did go after him
As others have noted, younger, less experienced employees command a lower salary. So yeah, he might be spinning that as trying to "inspire", but really all he was trying to inspire was his bottom line.
"At some point, safety is pure waste." one of the things very famously said on board submarines, nuclear reactors, and other such completely safe places.
Something similar was said on a nuclear reactor once!
It was in Ukraine, 1986...
And this was basically the thought that made the Titanic possible, the same thing they wanted to go down to see.
@@anqareliouth2921 Aye, unfortunately.
With such remarks you are simply invoking the bad spirits that punish everyone that refuses to learn about the laws of nature. Especially after firing the only prophet that warned him.
Well, English is a second language for me but didn't he say "at some point"? Doesn't that imply that he himself was aware of the fact that some basic safety procedures ALWAYS HAD to be in place in order for more safety on top of that to be a "waste"? If so he clearly tricked himself into believing that any safety measures are pointless ... 😳
I found it really off in that tik tok talking about "I would hate it if people talked about any group of people deserving to die" because subtextually she seemed to be likening 'eat the rich' to like actual genocide. But the thing is that billionaires are not marginalized and they actively choose to become billionaires (often actively choosing to hurt people & the environment in order to maintain that status). I think billionaires never deserve sympathy. I don't personally find their deaths humorous and I feel bad for the 19 year old kid, but I absolutely do not feel sorry for the billionaire adults in that submersible who died from their own hubris and extravagant spending habits. I think people who are billionaires and/or politicians give up a part of their personhood in order to obtain that level of power and part of that exchange is that people will react to their deaths as cultural symbols rather than as humans.
So you believe that personhood is conditional?
@@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376All billionaires made or inherited wealth that was extracted through the exploitation and subjugation of who knows how many workers. As a class they have not respected the personhood of thousands or millions of others. Why should I respect their personhood?
Completely agree with your take. Also want to add that "billionaires shouldn't exist" doesn't mean the same as "all billionaires should die". It means that they should do something good with the money to no longer be billionaires instead of wealth hoarding. A billion is 1,000 millions. Donating half of that would save countless lives and you're *still* left with 500 million. And now you're not a billionaire anymore so people won't laugh about your expensive death.
yes exactly, being a billionaire is not an immutable class like race or gender, it's an active, ongoing crime. you have to work hard to be a billionaire and every little bit of that work is a crime
@@Zelda_ThornYep, and billionaires often make decisions to increase their own wealth that they know will lead to the death of other (often poor/marginalised) people.
It's incredibly important for people to remember, that typically,the statement "you'll never be a billionaire" isn't a statement about their inability to accomplish something.
It is usually a statement that their decency and humanity would prevent them from ever being able to hoard resources and keep them away from the people who need them.
"You'll never be a billionaire" is synonymous with "you would never laugh at someone dying of thirst while you pour water down a drain."
"You'll never be a billionaire" is a compliment.
Somebody once commented on a video "I don't get how all the wealthy 1% don't do more for struggling communities. If I ever become a billionaire, I'm going to share so much of my wealth and make sure people are taken care of" and I said "No, you wouldn't. Bc the journey to becoming a billionaire means that you DON'T take care of people. You would be a completely different person by the time you became one, bc you'd have exploited, cheated, loopholed, laundered, hid, and hoarded your wealth. Do not assume that the morals you hold now would remain, bc it's those very morals you'd have to eschew to even become a billionaire".
And the odds of becoming a billionaire are about 1 to 580,000. Saying "You'll never become a billionaire" is also just far more likely to be factually true than telling someone you can become a billionaire. Some people are more likely to than others, but unless you're born into a billionaire or 9 digit figure net worth family, those odds are pretty low.
I'd always taken this like "You'll never get hit by lightning", like, it's just not going to happen. Not 'you don't have the mettle for it'.
@@YourMajesty143 There is truth to that. About the only ways I can think of to become a billionaire without putting acquisition of wealth as your #1 priority are to be born into it/inherit it or gain it in some sort of windfall. Judging by the stories of the "lotto curse", it seems like people who get rich through a windfall tend to end up worse off than before the windfall (family/friends fighting over the money, sometimes even suing over it, living a lavish lifestyle that burns through it all too quickly, etc).
The way I see it, we really don't need to be rich. We need to have enough money to pay bills, be able to save some for emergencies, save some for retirement, and have some left over for fun. Once you have enough to meet those needs, anything extra is just greed.
I cannot agree with you more.
To me as an engineer, and a bit of a safety narc, my main reaction has been anger at Rush for taking passengers down there. If he'd gone down there on his own and died, maybe I would find that funny. But in my mind, he's misled non-technical people (albeit billionaires who I very much do not like) about the safety of his project and his carelessness had led to their deaths. IMO they're victims, and while I don't blame anyone for laughing or not caring, I personally think it's tragic what he did to them
I’m an engineer and I work in nondestructive testing so I feel the same way. The choice of carbon fibre makes no sense to me. Why? Just because it seems cool or because he got it cheap? Any advantages you get from carbon fibre aren’t applicable here. In fact all the disadvantages are. I’m not very familiar with the certification process but I’m not sure that would’ve helped because of the way carbon fibre in this application could fail. Any sort of impact between trips could cause a defect that could lead to a major failure under the pressure from deep sea. I find this whole thing sad and I really don’t think these people understood the risks unless they were all mechanical engineers.
YESS I agree!
He was a mentally sick man. Probably a true narcissist, one without much insight, which made him dangerous to self and others.
@@noellecollins-vi7gd from what i can gather (other than the cheapness of buying out of date boeing carbon fibre), is that he wanted lightness above all else due to bouyancy issues. he chose it over titanium because it'd be easer to remain light and bouyant when carrying 5 passengers. so. like still just dumb move all around
@@Spamhard But also cost. You can build a titanium hull that is just as buoyant, but that costs more.
(Double hull with the void filled with buoyant material)
Also, I’m… morbidly fascinated with just how long it’ll take before someone in Hollywood turns this into a movie. Because Kat’s right, this is a HORRIFYING story. And mark my words, it WILL be commercialized EVEN MORE than it already has been
Make it a comedy.
The BBC was literally already running a documentary about it before they'd been found (this was even before it was finally revealed they were definitely dead from implosion), so yeah, it's probably already being discussed in someone's office as we type.
How incredibly meta that would be, considering the reason they're down there
I'm also looking forward to the blockbuster movie about this - Hollywood will do a great piece on that! 🥹😍
Maybe we will also get to enjoy a series on that? 🤩
Rush better be the villain. A brave explorer funds their own adventures and doesn’t take 19 yos 2 miles under the sea to their death for money.
When I hear wokeness I really want people to spell out for me what exactly they're taking issue with. Because all I hear is "I'm sick of minorities being represented"
Agreed. Dog whistle for sure
totally. they equate "wokeness" with things they don't agree with lol
@user7061 nah its worse woke means black or gay
Facts
100%
Lol. That lady said two untrue things “poor peoples life isn’t valued less” literally yes it is. Yes it is. If it was valued more, conservatives wouldn’t be vying to cut things like food stamps and affirmative action.
“I don’t see conversatives openly calling for the death of any of anybody” where is she looking??
Don't forget Medicare.
Dude literally. If poor peoples lives were actually valued, where is the affordable Healthcare.
'If I saw someone calling for the death of any group of humans I'd speak out against it.' Liberals. If you want to know why fascists win it's people like this.
She’s looking in her walk-in closet apparently.
@@gateauxq4604 🤣
Two things can be true at once: you can have compassion and sympathy for the deaths of these people, and mock the idiocy of the entire situation.
I said it once on my Tumblr, and I'll say it again here, the only death that really made me go 'ouch' damn that was fucked up, was precisely the 19 year old. It made me think about how hard it really must be to have psycho billionaire parents. For real though. Like ... Imagine wanting to impress your father when your father couldn't even think better than you not to go into such an unsafe trip. That must've been all sorts of fucked, and well the poor kid got fucked over by adults. He trusted his father and died because of it. It's definitely a terrifying thought. tsk. But other than that, I was just like, oh well four assholes gone. A shit ton more to go. I love your Beetlejuice cosplay!
i genuinely feel bad for the kid and have no sympathy for anyone else. the kid was terrified and didnt want to go, and seemingly his dad badgered him into it. that sucks, even if he likely would have grown up to be a dick
@@deaconlasagna8570 I mean, there really is nothing else you're going to grow up to be, unless you're really headstrong and decide you're not going to continue your parents' shit show. But that hardly happens. The majority of the kids of billionaires just continue the 'tradition' whatever it is.
@@BRivera999 oh definitely, its more like the lack of autonomy over his own life (inherent to being a child/ young adult) that makes it sad. and i want to believe that every young person contains the possibility of breaking out of generational patterns. not likely, tho
Yeah I agree, kids shouldn't have to suffer because their parents are weirdos
@amsterdame hypothetical question, how old are you? cause in my experience it tends to be younger folks who think of teenagers and young adults as big, grown-ups. I'm 20, and yeah I wouldn't consider myself a *child* child, but I'm certainly not fully grown. I'm much more of a child than a 30 year old is.
It will never stop being funny to me that rich people are able to afford the most absurd deaths.
"Hey guys I guess the family of bats living under my balls fell asleep so I'm gonna take a nap too but please like the video and subscribe to see more spelunking videos!!!!!!" Posted while trapped in an unexplored cave 200ft under snow in Russia
Also... babyangel 🌈💕
And it's invariably because even though they could have afforded to not die, they didn't and died. Any one of these men could have bought a better submarine by themselves, and all of them decided not to.
The idea that this isn't hilarious is just the same kind of limp, nonsensical moral scolding from the right that we always see around issues of tragedy when it impacts people they identify with. Suddenly nothing is a joke and everyone has to be beholden to this strict moral code or we become evidence of some modern moral decline as if people were never this petty throughout history when dumb rich people died doing dumb rich people things.
This whole situation lowkey reads like a Ray Bradbury story
*dumb ways to die *
I feel like this is obvious Kat, but the answer to your question from me is: it's okay to laugh at billionaires getting their comuppance and dying. What's not okay is laughing at the young 18/19 year old son who actively didn't want to do this, and who allegedly asked not to go- but ended up agreeing to make his dad happy. Like forget the billionaires entirely, that kids life being lost is a tradgedy
Well, he actually did want to go, according to his mom. His aunt originally said he didn’t want to go but his mom has come out saying the opposite. He’s still really the only one I feel bad for though
It’s okay to feel bad for the kid. For the rest of them it’s whatever.
Whether he did or didn't want to go, to me, is a non sequitur bc he was 19. That's still a teenager. That's the stage in life you trust your parents MOST to guide you into this world. Your parents may help you rent an apartment, get your first job, maybe they support you through school...you're just getting started in the world, really. He may be an "adult" but he surely trusted his father to know what's best for him. Heartbreaking in any case, desire to go or not.
I did see the teenager one and that is honestly really sad but I did hear from msnbc he didnt want to go maybe I'm wrong
That part. I have a sister the same age and I can’t imagine, that’s my baby ❤
Felt very sorry for the young boy. He was only a kid and it horrifies me that he went out that way.
But I do think its notable how much time, attention and resources went to these five men who (mostly) knew the risks vs. The 100s of migrants that had drowned crossing the Mediterranean that same week. I wish the people who had faux outrage over these billionaires spent a fraction of their sympathy on the men, women and children who died fleeing nightmarish circumstances
Well. He’s an heir to a billionaire meaning he would have been exactly what y’all hate so much lol
I’ve notice that too! I’ve been weirded out how even some of my most outspoken online friends spent more time about the billionaires, they have multiple posts about them but 1 or 2 posts about the refugees.
@@corycianangel6321 to be fair, most of my outrage about this submersible incident is directly tied to my outrage about the refugees. They’re not separate stories at all, but stories on two sides of the same coin that is our insane neo-gilded age.
@@trevormichael4906 We have no way of knowing what he would've done with that money. You're exhibiting a survivor bias. There are plenty of people who could've ended up being filthy-rich but didn't, for example because they decided to pay their employees more instead of giving themselves a raise or gave it all to charity.
@ziwuri13 please name 15 people in our lifetime who've done what you said since there are plenty of them 🤣
I agree with the op and it's so weird to see people doing mental gymnastics to feel bad for a young billionaire 😵💫
Here in Sweden we have this saying "är huvudet dumt får kroppen lida" which translated to "when the head is stupid the body gets to suffer". I would say this situation is a perfect example of that. As perfect as it gets, in fact.
I feel sorry for the 19-year-old and the tour guide who was paid to attend and guide their descent.
“I don’t hear Conservatives openly calling for the death of anyone”
I’m sorry, did you miss their response to BLM Summer?!?
Also, what does the death penalty have to do with people galavanting to the Titanic?
Her nerve…. 😂
As the joke goes, you have more in common with an Orca than a Billionaire.
I had to do a double take at that
You people think that others disagreeing with you means they want your death. It’s very illuminating to what goes on in your minds.
I personally don't believe one persons life should be valued over others, but that's not the society we live in. Billionaires are valued way more, even by people who have nothing to gain from worshipping them. In any case on top of the millions of examples we could pull out of conservatives calling for the death of others, the people that died did that all on their own. No one voted on it, so yeah that has nothing to do with capital punishment.
@@CostumedFiend_AudioThat’s a lot of cope. Don’t live by society’s corrupt value system then. Be different. Value all human life.
Or the repubs who have said that trans ppl shud be sent to the firing squads
To quote a wise philosopher Whitney Houston "It's not right, but it's ok." I think it's totally ok to laugh at the hubris and recklessness of it, and I'm one of those ppl that can see the humor in anything. Billionaires aren't just rich. They are almost by definition standing on mountains of exploitation lmao. I'm not shedding any tears if they get clowned on the internet. That said it is mean lol. It's hurtful to their loved ones, and I find it weird that ppl, especially Gen Z, feel the need to morally justify being mean or judgemental. I don't think that's necessary. Sometimes you can just be mean to a bad person on the internet and it is what it is.
The ceo pretending this is scientific research that is somehow helpful to humanity they are explorers with good purpose😂 innovation was hindered by safety rules. the delusional arrogance he was even warned by other experts who told him it was not safe to go under a depth a lot lower than it take to get there. Cause that's so innovative , ignoring proven facts about materials u use is gonna make u a scientist who makes discoveries he kept saying innovation 😢😂😂 there needs to be more safety rules for submersivles in order to keep pretend great scientific maverixks. 😊
I lost it immediately!💀
I wonder If this event will increase Newfoundland tourism cause of how much it was mentioned before the coast of Newfoundland
Do billionaires really have loved ones? Or just sycophants? How can you have loved ones if you've shed every degree of empathy (which you must to stand on the lives of as many people as billionaires must)?
I agree with you, but I don't think it's possible for a billionaire to experience love, because that requires empathy. And if you cannot experience love, I think it stands to reason you can't have a loved one.
@@slipperyrancidcheese Everyone is capable of empathy just as everyone is capable of self-defense. The problem is not everyone engages it in time to save themselves; sometimes the situation has escalated too quickly. People also love rationalizing their behavior, finding a scapegoat, and using black and white thinking to create a them and us divide (and the organizational part is kinda baked into humanity, but that doesn't automatically make it right.) At the end of the day, a billionaire could care about plenty of people but to find out if their closest friends and family actually loved them, you'd have to talk to those people and then conjecture from their response whether or not the billionaire loved them as well or if everyone involved was too selfish even for that. Greed can change anyone, never forget. It's why the kindest people almost never become billionaires to begin with.
"a poor persons life isn't valued less" so who's gonna tell her? does she not know? she just glossed over the concept of poverty & capitalism like it's a fart in the wind.
Calibrate your detectors...
My thoughts exactly I was like; they’re not????? That was news to me
I literally read this comment right as it got to that part and my first thought is to just bend backwards in whiplash for how ignorant that lady sounded
Oh my god, and the comment about "conservatives don't wish for the death for others". Who's gonna tell her?
Hahahaha exact!!!
Kat's comment made me do the math.
Where I am, a good cup of coffee is, let's say, $2.50 US. Maybe I have 10K in my bank account, so a coffee costs me 0.025% of my savings.
That's literally how much money 250K is to a billionaire: 0.025%.
Absolutely fucking obscene.
The one death I legitimately regret is Suleman's, as it was said that his family pressured him to join his father despite him not wanting to.
It’s weird bc in some comments/articles it says that he actually did want to go and his mother gave up her spot for her son
@@Im_bor3d0 Really? That's interesting, hadn't heard that. I guess now it's up to speculation.
I have the same amount of empathy for them (minus the kid) as I do wealthy, unprepared Everest climbers who die on the mountain. Sad, I guess, but theres only so much sympathy I can have for someone who willingly put themselves in the most extreme situations because they thought nature cares how much money you have.
You mean like first responders? My partner is a volunteer fireman. He goes into dangerous situations all the time. To help others. I mean it seems like you don't have empathy because your narcissism. It's a trait they all have in common.
@@nicolebesser3548how the fuck is that the same? You must be absolutely brain dead. Moron.
@@nicolebesser3548your comment is wild. First responders have nothing to do with ops comment
@@Strawb_Goblin Yeah it does, they run into dangerous situations every day. What's wild is the narcissism running rampant over the deaths of people doing something you wouldn't have the guts to do.
Yeah, I’m primarily angry with the owner and happy he went down with it, it’s very appropriate, and I wish he didn’t take other people with him, but at least it wasn’t “golden ticket” stuff but paid in to go into that death trap.
I don't have a billion dollars, but I know how hydrostatic pressure works, and am totally alive right now.
lol. The beetle juice cosplay was unintentional and I’ve only actually very recently seen the movie lol
Omg I thought it was joker lol
This look gives me life 💕
𝙶𝚒𝚛𝚕 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚋𝚎 𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚔𝚒𝚗 𝚏𝚛𝚒𝚐𝚑𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕𝚢 𝚏𝚒𝚗𝚎🖤❤️🖤🖤
@@jamisanmatalonis8458same
@@jamisanmatalonis8458 it reminded me of that "trying too hard" 'gender swapped steampunk joker in a willy wonka hat' cosplay meme that has gone around where someone incorrectly assumes a character is such when they just didnt know about the char the cosplay was actually based on (Duela Dent) xD
As a humanbeing who has empathy. I am horrified imagining their final moments.
As someone who wants the world to be a better place... I'm laughing so friggen hard at this.
Don't be horrified. Implosions happen so quickly that a human's nerve syytem isn't fast enough to send a signal to the brain.
None of them even knew they had died and nonw of them had the time to feel any pain.
@@07Flash11MRC you're right about the implosion. But there's really no way for us to know that they didn't realize something was wrong before it happened
Do we have theories on what the banging sound was that rescue teams heard? My brain goes straight to them banging for help....
@@GaasubaMeskhenetit has been confirmed that the banging was unrelated and they had already died at that point.
@@GaasubaMeskhenet "Do we have theories on what the banging sound was that rescue teams heard?": The rescue team didn't, the US Navy did.
@@penpointexpress thank you
My thought on him wanting younger people on his team wasn't "wokeness" but wanting people that would assume he knew best and not challenge his ideas. Circles right back around to what you said about arrogance.
The ironic part was him literally sayng safety is bad. Lol bro literally wanted to put young people in danger. Just awful.
I agree with what you said. I think the cost is another factor as well.
A 50 year old with years of experience will expect to be paid more money than 16 year old or recent college graduate.
He was cheap in other aspects and I wouldn't be surprised if he cut corners on labor too.
Edit: A 16 year old is likely not going to ask for benefits like health insurance either.
You can laugh at the absurdity of the situation and the chain of terrible decisions that lead to the event, while also understanding that the death of anyone is a tragedy.
"Conservatives aren't calling for the deaths of whole groups of people" did that 🤬 really just say that w 100% seriousness?!
Libs gonna lib
@@LGrianwhat's lib about that?
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 I think they're saying it's a lib vs. leftist thing.
@@thesevenkingswelove9554 "when you cut a liberal, a fascist bleeds" isn't a clapback, it's a warning. these people would have voted for trump by the truckload before they voted for bernie. at the end of the day the only thing the object to about their conservative peers are purely optics-based.
ikr i was like you've got to be joking....as soon as she preceded that with "don't make me defend conservatives, but" i knew it was gonna be rough lol
I feel like there’s layers of ok to this one. This isn’t Princess Di getting harassed to death (literally) while just living her life. This isn’t a mentally unwell flat-earther trying to prove something with the best material they could afford and being terribly wrong. These are people that had every possible advantage and opportunity to NOT Darwin themselves and plowed that direction regardless, and got the most painless most instantaneous death possible. I feel bad for the people that cared about them, you don’t choose who it hurts to lose, I’m not gonna go out of my way to make my laughter heard at anyone’s funeral, but I’m definitely still laughing.
the fact that oceangate is CLAIMING videos that have audio that THEY POSTED with things that THEY SAID in it is fucking hilarious to me.
I didn't really laugh at any point, but I do think the CEO absolutely deserved this. Him having been onboard lowkey restores my faith in some kind of cosmic justice
@patchnpaw15 I totally agree. So many people like him leave the real risks to others while they take all the credit, so it was nice to see him suffer the consequences of his arrogant and reckless decisions as well.
I have a lot of thoughts about this because I'm a Newfoundlander (Newfoundland is the Canadian province that Oceangate operated in), watching NTV when this went down was crazy because they were only interviewing people on the street that were like "this is so sad" but most of the people I know were condemning the billionaires or saying "any loss of life is a tragedy no matter the circumstance". My Nana called them "stupid daredevils that got what was coming for them." So so out of touch because my culture raises people to be very respectful of the ocean's strength and know that the ocean will kill you with a flick of her wrist.
My personal opinion is that this is just another example of wealthy tourists from the States/Asia/Europe coming to Newfoundland and doing absolutely no research of what it's like here and overall making a lot of assumption/judgments. I also want to add that's it's fairly common for the ocean to take people here, but the locals who unfortunately get taken (who are usually just doing their jobs trying to provide for their families) do not get any sort of multicountry search team for them, and their families either bury an empty casket or their body washes on shore.
Thank you @faemaiden5090 for sharing your opinion as a local Newfoundlander and some of the opinions of friends and family. I’m also intrigued by the language you use when describing the power of the sea and how central it is to your heritage, very grateful for your words 😊
It's so important to remember that other lives (poorer lives) are quite literally not valued as much. People do not extensively search for them. Why? How sad is that?
Fellow Newfie here, I also got a bit of that weird dissonance going on - though maybe it's a matter of just being in different circles. Like when someone drowns, like that one kid out on the west coast this summer, the vibe is usually WAY more sympathetic than what I've heard for the people on the Titan, or like those tourists who got swept out of Cape Spear (if I remember that story correctly). My mom basically said the same thing. "Tourists are fuckin stunned"
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but what's weird is I sort of feel the same way. I don't think a rich person's life should be valued less than a poor person. There's a power imbalance there obviously but it's a systemic issue, it doesn't mean anyone deserves to die.
One big point to bring up in the "it's not right to wish death on anyone" argument is that billionaires on the whole actively lobby against workplace safety & ethics regulations in almost any industry. They spend a lot of money on ensuring that they don't have to provide safety to workers, so that they can then profit even more. It's not, "the poor want the rich dead," it's moreso, "the rich are killing the poor, and so the poor don't gaf when rich people die."
my issue here is the SPEED at which so many forces came together in an attempt to find these 5 people. the amount of coverage is also insane. i don't like that these literal billionaires, who put themselves in a situation like this, were given so much more attention than other people who were put in far more tragic situations against their will. the only person i truly feel sorry for is the son because he wanted to spend time with his father, someone who was supposed to protect him :^(
That woman saying that she doesn’t hear republicans openly calling for the death of anyone really hasn’t been paying attention
"conservatives aren't calling for the death of anyone" if i had a drink, i would spit-take because HOW CAN YOU BE THIS UNAWARE i feel so disgusting
you really hit the nail on the head of where the humor comes from - the dramatic irony of watching clips of Stockton Rush making bold claims about his innovation knowing how this whole thing goes
The only person I pity is the teenager. The whole thing is a mess and I hope it serves as a warning to other billionaires that they can't just do whatever they want
He didn't want to go but did it because it was Father's Day (supposedly). :/
Def the teen fucked me up a lot. I've def been the position before of doing something against your will that you feel unsafe about because of coercion. I didn't appreciate how people felt comfortable brushing that off either, at least in my circles on social media. It felt like they had already been making fun of the incident and so figured they'd just double down even more :/
i just wish elon musk was there
Regarding your last point: I don't think this is the worst way to go. Like you also said, the implosion apparently happened extremely fast and they didn't have enough time register it, let alone suffer. The sad part is not how they died but that death was completely avoidable. I mean, diving deep into the ocean in a tiny can, just so you can look at a century old shipwreck makes me think that they were so bored with their lives that it made them ignore even basic common sense. And I think that's the reason why people are making jokes. Not because they are dead, but because how stupid this whole endeavor was from the get go.
I agree with the idea that likely this was a very easy death
I also thought this was simply a very expensive suicide. It's not like they weren't told that they could die
Yeah. While the rescue mission was still underway, I couldn't help thinking how awful it must be, to be stuck down there with a broken motor or something, knowing your oxygen is going to run out soon. Now that's a gruesome thought, irrespective of who the victims are. Because you can't help imagining yourself in that same situation.
I'm glad, it was a quick, painless death after all...because I wouldn't wish prolonged suffering on anyone. But other than that, I don't see why I should care about these people's death more than over the death of other, random strangers.
A yeah I'd rather go that way than basically every other way. They got out pretty cleanly tbh
The funny part is the deaths being avoidable part
Honestly that kid got to me. He looks like some of my students. I think it’s always tragic when a young person dies, regardless the circumstances. When I was in high school, a friend slipped while taking a photo on a gorge in Spain and fell to his death. Had there been no teens on board it might’ve hit different.
I resonate deeply with your comments on money and so rarely hear other public figures or even high income professionals in my own circles speak to this I don’t understand people who feel the need to hoard more money than is necessary to have a comfortable home and engage in hobbies. It just feels like a power trip.
you trade your humanity when you hoard enough resources to go look at some poor people's graves just because you can.
Thissss ^
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Is that where your line is? They have more than the majority so they aren’t human anymore? Interesting.
Right, because deeming personhood as conditional has always worked out *so* well.
absolutely! when youre a billionaire, your humanity is automatically revoked. because you have become the ultimate slave holder, one that can hide behind circumstance and other people, but ultimately still a slave holder.
What hit hard about the son is not only am i the same age as him, his university (Strathclyde) is just across the road from the college I attend. I remember hearing and it just broke my heart, especially when I heard he didn't want to go on the submersible. My mum said "I bet they were telling him to man up or be a man". The others were arrogant about this but Suleman was genuinely scared. He's the one I feel so upset for.
Let's be honst the only reason the CEO didn't want to hire "old white man", with decades of experience, is because these kind of people are expensive. It's just cheaper to hire young people freshout of college or university, or something similar. He didn't give a rats ass about diversity. He want cheap employees with the added bonus that they wouldn't talk back with decades of experience we he pitch his ideas and told them what to do.
I’m glad you made this video. I’ve gotten a lot of hostility from my friends over how conflicted I’ve felt over this.
On one hand, yeah, this was completely avoidable. This dude had everyone telling him that this sub was not at all safe and he thought he knew more than everyone else.
On the other hand, it’s hard for me to enjoy memes about it when there was a 19 year old on board to make his dad happy. He could have said no, sure, but idk. I can understand that.
And while I understand that the memes aren’t necessarily just for him (and I would never expect anyone to make that distinction in a meme), it does make it a little harder for me to immediately join in.
I guess I’m just glad that someone else could verbalize why I felt bad for the kid and mom while also shaking my damn head at the rest of these exploitative, cocky fools.
I appreciate you!
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What is funny is the overall hypocrisy on all of this, empathy is not something you can switch on and off, if they have enough empathy to help poor people then they wouldnt be laughing at the deaths of others. The people who laughs at their deaths and make memes probably never have helped poor people in their lives, very similar to the billionaires they hate so much.
we've been mocking the arrogance and hubris of the morbidly rich since before the pyramids were built.
it's always morally correct to use them as an object lesson in that way.
We have Darwin Awards for a reason, and most of the people who receive them aren't anywhere near as priviledged
The ppl who decide the Darwin Awards are prolly billionaires. So they ignore their much higher rates of stupid deaths...
In example - one of the loudest directors of "moms for liberty" against masks and vaccines died from covid in like the fall of 2021 (California). The entire organization swept her under the rug like she never existed. Like she was a very inconvenient piece of garbage to be discarded of. No thoughts and prayers for her or her family.
Or innocent to the situation they're in, that doesn't really count here except for Rush. That poor kid would have been terrified.
Implosion is so fast at that depth. They would not even had an inkling of any issue. Implosion happens within 1-5 milliseconds and human perception happens in hundreds of milliseconds. So the sub could implode hundreds of times over and they wouldn’t even know. No pain, no fear and 100% dead in 1-5 milliseconds.
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The collective IQ that perished in that sub is actually extremely high. They died for the ego of one man
Rush thought he could cheat physics laws with money, but the atmospheric pressure 4 kilometers underwater doesn't care about your bank account. He made his bed then laid in it, along with four other people. The only one I feel sorry for is the 19-year-old who was there only because his father pressured him into doing it.
*hydrostatic
He was worried about the wrong pressure
@@manhathaway💀💀💀
I don't celebrate the deaths of billionaires, but I don't feel sad, either. And don't think I should.
Yeah that's fair. I don't think it's right to laugh at people dieing in horrible circumstances, but if u don't know them personally, u don't exactly have to grieve them.
Yeah me too
Regardless of what you think about the ethics of the situation, five people deciding to pay absurd amounts of money to travel in a badly designed metal tube to the bottom of the ocean and then shocked pikachu face when the subversive fails...I mean it's kind of funny...
The game controller is not the weirdest thing tbh, its very common with many steerings when it comes to military weapons and machines. Same for marine ones. However...... They used a logitech one and not more complex ones which can be questioned for sure 😂
I think despite the laughter we feel the most bad for the kid. He was kind of forced by his parents to go on it and he had his whole life ahead of it. An actual innocent kid/young man in this.
and thats what makes me hate the people who forced him more. the kid is the only one i feel sadness for. parents suck
No, I actually saw people slandering him and conflating him with a person who wasn’t on the ship to justify laughing at his death. In fact they said “Five less terrible people! Yay!” Also, the person piloting the ship was employed to operate it. He wasn’t a billionaire. That’s 2/5 people. Glossing over a professional doing his job to laugh at him dying (explicitly, since people “only feel bad for the kid”)… I didn’t realize that was praxis. And I know it’s aimed at him specifically because someone did the math of him going down as if he had paid each time, when he worked there.
@@biguattipoptropica The CEO was the the one piloting, surely you're not implying he "employed" himself to operate it? Everyone else was a billionaire but the kid.
@@ShadowMark474the old French diver was not a billionaire. He was the one who would do talks about the titanic. However he should have known better, and his friends have said he seemed to have an addiction to it.
The 'kid' was an adult. Allowed to drive, to drink, to vote, to smoke, to sex, to sign his life away on a waiver.
"I don't openly see them calling for the death of anybody"
Ma'am, have you been living under a Dwayn Johnson????
The only person I feel for is the kid, who was apparently terrified but took the trip for his dad's sake. The other four... It was an astounding display of hubris on their parts. And you know no-one will learn from this.
Totally agree with you on this. Do I think billionaires are right and someone I should aspire to be? No! I want to be more secure financially (I'm not, I have to work constantly or I won't be able to buy food or pay for my apartment), but I cannot fathom having mansions or 20 cars or billions on a bank account. Like, why the heck would any one person need all this? And I'm perfectly aware that I'm never going to be a billionaire or even a wealthy person, because I don't want to change my personality and make certain sacrifices (including morally and ethically) that would allow me to be wealthy. And I'm okay with that. At the same time, I did feel uncomfortable celebrating other people's horrible end, because... other people's end is not something you're supposed to celebrate, no matter what kind of people they are, it achieves nothing, it improves nothing and helps nobody.
Thank you.
The wanting everything deregulated part is what gets me too. It's like yeah regulations do not exist to take your money from you they exist to keep bad things from happening. Like say people loosing their lives.
Hamish Harding’s family used to own a slave plantation in Jamaica that man would spend his money on anything but reparations. The Atlantic took her shot when she had it.
You mentioned it, but I wanted to highlight that there's a difference between laughing at *how* they died, and laughing at *why* they died.
When the news first broke out, I saw a lot of people wishing that the billionaires were suffering before they died, and that to me felt a little too much like saying "this person I think is bad is getting punished in a way I see fit", and it's just by coincidence that the person in question is a billionaire, which most (left leaning) people hate. In other words, the focus is on a "bad person" getting a "proper, moral punishment". In a way, it feels very Christian to me.
The second, laughing at *why* they died, the focus is more on the hubris billionaires tend to have and them *finally* experiencing some kind of consequence for it. That, to me, highlights the more important aspect: that people were allowed to accumulate that much wealth, and that the accumulation of that wealth somehow made them think they could conquer nature.
I saw another comment comparing it to wealthy, unprepared climbers dying on Everest. The type of death itself is horrible, but I struggle to grieve people who endanger desperate poor people (Everest guides) for a photo-op.
@@dodecasomnia especially since everest isn't even a difficult mountain to climb in comparison, they literally just buy their way up, destroy the environment and push as much danger as possible on poor guides who didn't really have a choice
@KyubiEmz3310 My thoughts exactly
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You shouldn’t laugh at a person dying at all
I've also seen a lot of people bring up the fact that a boat carrying refugees sunk and killed hundreds of people on the greek coast, as the greek coast guard watched and did nothing, at the same time as the whole western world was losing it's shit trying to find 5 billionares who paid 250000$ to get put in this situation. There's definitely something very off putting in that - how much more value these 5 men's lives had in comparison to these hundreds of incredibly vulnearable people, many of which were children.
But also the medittarean refugee crisis shouldn't be left as a mere whataboutism, people have been dying on the sea for years as EU sits back and lets it happen, and european coastal countries have actively worked to prevent boats from coming to their shores. These people's lives shouldn't be reduced to mere rethorical ammo either. And i'm afraid they will be quickly forgotten as people move on from the submersible story to the next big scandal. The whole situation just makes me feel so frustrated and helpless and angry, especially since the EU likes to maintain such a "clean" image and pretend it's solved human rights already, and then silently does this. I really couldn't give less of a fuck about 5 billionares buying their own death.
Also, there was a Billionaire/millionaire's ship near them that REFUSED TO HELP them. Their excuse was: "They didn't want to be helped". Tell me again that I have to be sorry for the rich.
@@monicavelazquezrodriguez3035Two cargo vessels also encountered the ship that capsized in Greek waters. Other than food and water, which they gave to the ship, they refused any other help. They expected to be picked up by the Greek coast guard, and thats what the traffickers gamble on. And thats why 27,000 refugees have died to date. They are stuck between two ruthless entities. Ine is a criminasl network, and the other is a continent whose economic future is uncertain because of debt.
It will be resolved one way or see another, but more people will die until it is because they can't stop the trafficking. And neither can the EU afford to be offering an open invitation either. The tribal nature of human beings inhibits such generosity, as can be seen by the millions of Euros being spent to stop the traffic. The politics is nasty too, as the voters in the receiving countries are divided on migration. And some politicians exploit that. So pointing fingers at the EU ignores Trump's Wall, and the Hungarian Border wire. And other rejections of migration.
Until we can be ruthlessly honest about the situation, people will continue to die. And some are content to let that happen. And so it goes on.
Whether it's the 750+ people near Greece the week before, or the approximately 50 people in peril at sea near Spain around the same time as the 5 lost while tragedy tourism was attempted were being searched for...(* Agreed, the lives of the people lost "should not be reduced to rhetorical ammo" )...Yeah, the proportion of coverage was disappointingly out of balance for political, classist reasons... May I suggest the series, " I'm A Virgo", from Boots Riley? It's a bit of a sci-fi/ social commentary about propaganda with bits of humor and wisdom mixed in.
Well said!
“I don’t see Conservatives calling for the death of anybody.”
Trans people everywhere: *blink in confusion*
For me personally, I just think looking at anyone's death as an opportunity to crack jokes is just bad for your soul. I feel like it implies that there is at least one type of human suffering that is acceptable when it should be zero. And I'm not trying to say you should be mourning and crying your eyes out but actively making fun of their deaths is completely pointless and doesn't really help make anyone's life better. I don't really care how arrogant stockon rush was in breaking all of this safety protocol, he still doesn't deserve to die.
Ignoring lots of people with lots of experience telling you there's a problem _and_ just looking at a tube and not thinking "maybe it's going to flex a bit towards the middle there" is a hilarious amount of hubris. Rush got crushed to mush by his own arrogance
I don't personally feel mixed on this topic. I don't think it's good to celebrate the death of anyone. HOWEVER, I found it kind of annoying how so much attention, incessant attention, was put onto this whole issue when other horrible things were going on at the time that were much more worthy of coverage. I think the deaths of 5 people, who did something incredibly dangerous and put their lives at risk, was not worthy of all the attention it got (and I think it got so much attention because they were so rich/high profile which I do find gross). I can't deny, though. I did laugh at some of the memes- what else are you supposed to do when the submersible was controlled by a gaming controller?? I think laughing at dark humor is different from actively celebrating someone's death.
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Came here to say this! On a human level, I was kind of horrified to see the deaths of people being celebrated and used for memes on the same day. That doesn't feel right to me. And it doesn't mean I didn't ALSO get annoyed that 100 people died on the Mediterranean in the same week, with much less attention, care, and resources put into their rescue. Two things can be true at once.
Setting aside the issue of the billionaires for just a sec, the thing the guy said at the beginning about "safety limits innovation" REALLY reminded me of the Verrükt incident at Schlitterbahn (for those not in the know, a waterslide was designed by someone with basically the same mentality that "innovation" is more important than safety. The waterslide opened and a young boy was killed riding it). Going back to the billionaires, my main thought throughout the whole OceanGate thing (they were realllly tempting fate with that name btw) has been "ok, so NOW people are going to start caring about safety regulations because it has impacted the rich". Because usually when people die due to safety regulations being ignored, it's working-class people (Triangle Shirtwaist factory, etc.) Even the Schlitterbahn incident, I wonder if it would have gotten the (scant) news coverage that it did if the kid hadn't been the son of a representative. Actually, and ironically, the Titanic itself did cause many safety regulations for ships to be revised and made stricter, which may not have happened if there had not been deaths of rich passengers in addition to that of the "third-class" passengers
Hoarding wealth at the direct expense of others is abhorrent and I will not lose a moment of sleep knowing you’re gone.
About the TikTok on 6:41: I don't think people are out here actively wishing for billionaires to die, we're just *indifferent* to it. And in this specific case, _it was funny because of the circumstances_
I mean, these people saw death written all over their stupid plan and still chose to completely ignore it, and there were also so many things that were just downright bizarre about this whole ordeal 🤦
Love seeing the "woke is bad" guy completely ignore that regulations would have helped a lot. It's not diversity -it wasn't anyway- it was ignorant flaunting of safety standards
I look at this incident the same way I look at the Darwin Awards, I'm not necessarily laughing at them dying as much as I'm laughing at them doing something so obviously stupid that just happened to result in their death. Not to mention the fact that so many resources went into saving them while at the same time a boat with 750 migrants was also in danger and needed help... hard to be that sympathetic
Yep, it's that immediate juxtaposition with a case where there might have been the possibility of rescuing some people but instead nothing got done. TikTok person should be venting her anger at the Greek Coast Guard (among others) more than at the chronically online
I don't necessarily find it funny, I just am not especially sympathetic. I know there are people who would say that makes me horrible and callous, but my sympathy is limited for extremely privileged people who do something stupid and face consequences.
It's especially concerning to me that the media focused SO much on this case and we spent so much money on the rescue that could have been better spent helping people who probably deserve it more than looking for a bunch of almost certainly dead billionaires
"You're remembered for the rules you break." Mission accomplished.
Every year 9 million people die from hunger (WPF). The UN estimated cost $6 billion to end world hunger. Always remember, each one of those billionaires could have ended world hunger, saving 9 million lives annually, but choose not to. So don't feel bad for them
I laughed and I’m still laughing. Not rooting for their death, but definitely laughing at their stupidity and lack of concern for their own lives 😂😂😂😂😂
i was too busy feeling bad about the one who was only 19 (and his mother) to laugh - though I can understand why others did. Also, when catastrophes happen, we are often told 'they didn't know it was going to happen' or 'they didn't feel a thing.' Just as often, that turns out to be BS. You should look into some of the information that has come out since. It's quite possible they knew. There were warning signs and messages from the men in the sub less than two hours into the dive and contact was lost shortly after.
is the transcript even real though? Or just made up by somebody? It wasn't comfirmed or shared by any official source, just shared by random on social media. And I don't think it's real, 'cause some details contradicts what we know about the tragedy.
@@DaP84 I agree it should be looked at critically. However, it wouldn't have been confirmed by an official source if it contradicted their narrative. Just a thought - YMMV.
@@EvBarney I was thinking evidence that goes against info in this transcript. It says they released the ballast. But the ballast was still attached to the recovered wreckage that we've seen.
my most controversial opinion is that not everyone deserves your compassion or empathy. being selective about who you give it to doesn't make you a bad person, it's who you decide to give it to (cause we aren't physically o mentally capable of feeling empathy for every living being)
No, not everyone deserves to have our sympathy, but I don't think there's a "reserve" for how much empathy one should give. Being selective isn't a result of some limited capacity, it's merely a result of moral consistency. I haven't laughed at any of this BUT I don't see why if people don't like billionaires and laugh at them when they're alive, then why should anyone stop doing that just bc they've passed away?
They died being the same people that they were when they were living, in fact they died bc of the out-of-touch arrogance that makes us laugh at them. Yes, their loved ones will mourn them, but I'm not obligated to do so and I don't have to curb my apathy for their death just bc it makes others uncomfortable. Where was the concern and empathy for the billion people, that will die at the hands of the billionaires who created the world's catastrophies?
We're giving the same apathy at their deaths that they've given to the poor and vulnerable. Not to mention 65 million of our tax dollars went into their failed rescue, while 700 refugees were left to die out on the Greek coast. Why should anyone care that the destructive villains of our capitalistic world are no longer here to continue their exploitative practices?
@YourMajesty143 compassion fatigue is a real condition, so I would say there's a limit/reserve. Everything else I agree with tho
Literally the only person I feel sad for is the 19 year old. He didn’t even want to be on there. I hope that he had no clue anything was wrong until the very end.
This Stockton Rush character was not just full of hubris. He was also a confidence trickster. He made the choices he made to save on money and the arrogance was to appeal to the rich clientele who bought his emperor's new clothes spiel.
Every new fact i learn about this shows how entierly preventable this was. And that if even if the passangers didnt deserve this fate Rush sure as hell did.
I dont care if a billionaire dies but at the same time, I'm not gonna celebrate it either. Although I dont think people are awful for celebrating it if they want to. Also, the Beetlejuice look is stunning
Exactly. I'm not any more or less sad about it due to them being billionaires, but the celebration of the death of a bunch of people who weren't harming anyone is disturbing
@@Nick-kf3io the person was saying the opposite, that they don't think people are awful for celebrating. I wouldn't think they're awful either but definetly some level of sociopathy going on that I'd want to keep away from
@@helena4440 Yeah I'm kind of coming from it at an angle where if someone is doing some substantial amount of harm and people are celebrating it (edit, *their death) I can kinda get why they would. I generally believe that celebrating death is morbid, but people handle things differently you know
(Typing this while starting to watch) I think when I've laughed at horrible memes its really been due to the feeling of impotence at the absolute horror and devastation these billionaires get away with while still receiving more empathy and actual physical attention than millions of people who are living through abject poverty and hunger (almost a billion people living with extreme food insecurity and 88 companies causing most of global warming).
I laugh out of rage at the dying of our species. This tech billionaire who founded this company with no consideration for life and safety of anyone onboard, but enough hubris to enter his own shoddy structure. He exploited his workers, didn't believe in human rights, and wanted to mine the deep seas to the further detriment of nature and humanity. This week we've had the highest temperatures ever recorded. Thousands of climate refugees are drowning feet away from coast guard ships in the Mediterranean, their bodies fodder for jokes from Europeans (looking at you Charlie Hebdo). Laughing at stupid memes does them less damage than what they deserve for the literal death of their and every other species on this tiny blue speck in space.
PS Finished the video, you make really nuanced points and your look is perfect!
This is an underrated comment and should have more likes!
This. I’m Greek (and Pontic-Greek at that, so the refugee crisis hits a bit closer to home) and it’s been genuinely crushing to see how disproportionately little coverage the deaths of so many refugees has gotten outside of the Mediterranean in comparison to the self-inflicted submarine clown fiesta. Or how flippant some of the responses (especially from European countries not affected by this crisis) have been.
I feel sorry for the 19yo who didn’t even want to be there (I think there was also a researcher?) but that’s it. Why are the media putting so much more value on the lives of these few rich people in comparison to so many tragically lost? I’ve seen conservatives try to claim some kind of moral superiority over this (like they are the only ones who care about human life supposedly- which, I have to laugh) but as always, it’s painfully obvious there are very specific lives they care about. The drowned refugees? Cue the “that’s one problem solved” memes. You don’t see conservatives cheer for the death of anyone though noooo.
I simply think it is very telling that people are paying more attention to the ethics and nitty-gritties of laughing at 5 billionaires than to the hundreds of people who suffer and die as a result of these people's actions everyday.
Rhetorical: what am I supposed to feel when billionaires, who can only become billionaires after exploiting and ruining actual lives, throw away safety concerns and pay a quarter of a million dollars to die? I owe it to myself not to get too upset about it, if I chuckle at the irony, I’m fine with that too.
I'm Nigerian. When Sani Abacha a former Nigerian dictator died people celebrated in the streets and partied. To this day, the older generation still smile every June 8th to commemorate his death. Those billionaires and especially that kid were not as bad as Sani Abacha
We heard about him. But death is probably the only true egalitarian democrat.
Ok, let me ask you something, How did Sani Abacha got there? How did he get to be in power? I can almost garante that he did so with support from billionares; I grew up with a dictator also and he didn't get to be in power Just because, he was supported by the united states AND billionares.
Damn.... time for me to read up on Sani Abacha 😅
@@Whosaskin yeah i'm not sure what homie is trying to say here? we shouldn't hate billionaires bc there are worse ppl? despite the fact that billionaires support dictators all the time if it suits their interests
My friend, guess who supported Sani Abacha's dictatorship......
I don’t feel comfortable laughing at any death, but that’s my personal feeling. It’s not right for me to take a moral high ground and tell others how to react. I think the whole situation is just sad: it’s sad that billionaires live such exploitative lives (and that they refuse to see or account for how awful it is for them to hoard that much money), it’s sad that people who ignore safety regulations are lauded as geniuses and it enables them to put people in danger, and the saddest part is that this became such a media spectacle when migrants are continuing to die at sea just for seeking refuge, but they receive less recognition and less help.
this!!
@@nikolasscheeksexactly
I always say "there's no such thing as a benevolent billionaire" sure some are better than others but someone probably has /is being exploited in order for such wealth to be acquired. I won't wish death on someone, but I will admit to not caring if that's what unfortunately happens( if they're a person with a negative impact). The respect you get in death is based on what you earned while alive. I'm laughing at this guy in particular because of his cocky attitude leading up to this devastating incident (and there is something funny about him literally not even seeing his death coming).
it is a guarantee that people are being exploited by their wealth. it is literally impossible to not ruin lives by being a billionaire, by hoarding wealth they directly contribute to people starving to death, becoming homeless, being human-trafficked, etc. etc.
@@facelessdroneyeah I know, I just like to leave room for uncertainty, it's in my personality. Thanks for the pedantic comment
I mean, they laugh at us when WE die, soo...
I was really uncomfortable with people passing around memes and acclamations of these people dying were funny and claiming that people who felt bad for them were "hypocrites" or any of the like. What makes me angry is that the guy was told by experts that it would be dangerous and he ignored them for the sake of "entrepreneurship". In a vacuum, enjoying someone's death isn't something that is socially desirable or acceptable and shows the callousness people have for other life. However, if those said people committed horrible crimes or have refused to essentially give back in any way, it's less likely those people will get any sympathy.
I feel bad for them, i have a lot of empathy and thats not something I want to disabuse myself of. If I had billions of dollars I can def see myself spending 250k on something others might see as silly (like following my favorite band around). I have no empathy for that Rush guy though. He was killed by his own hubris, 100%
But I also dont understand how people can have that much money and not feel the urge to donate as much as they can. How can you see all the suffering in the world and not want to do everything you can to stop it? Billionaires baffle me.
Yeah it's incomprehensible to me how someone who can just spend $250,000 can go to bed at night peacefully wasting it on a fucking joy ride. Honestly if it were me and I had my housing and living situation set along with my friends and family I have literally no need for anything more.
@@Worthless1010 ^^^ exactly, i'm pretty sure most of us would be happy enough with just that. i don't even know why people would want to hoard that much money and outright attach a name to their wealth, like, i sure as hell don't want my friends and family to think i'm their money bag...
As for the question of the billionaires. I dont think billionaires should die, I just think they should not exist. I'm here for billionaires to not exist anymore.
I feel sorry for the teenager, the rest of them had the resources to investigate how safe or rather, not safe, what they were doing is.
Capital punishment girl is making me angry. No one is calling for rich people to die, its just funny when their very own extravagance and arrogance causes them to die
Nah to the guillotine with em but fr she's actin like poor people want them euthanised when really we just don't want people hoarding money whilst people die from poverty
the funniest part of the whole thing was her saying that she doesn't see conservatives calling for the death of anybody LOL where have you been girl
@@tiarnieedwards9584"Nah to the guillotine with them"
"She's acting like the poor people want them euthanized"
Except people are calling for it all of the time. "Eat the rich" is a meme because of this sentiment.
i think it's fair to find billionares dying funny. maybe that makes me a bad person, but they are directly responsible for so much suffering in the world. i don't know which billionares were in the sub but I'm willing to bet all of them except the kid are responsible for more suffering than they went through as they died. i don't like my own explanation here because i think it's too utilitarian and almost robotic. i can't quite articulate how i feel on the matter any better than that though.
You explained well & I agree with every word.
If we had a far more equitable world where everyone was taken care of and there were meaningful opportunities for everyone, then there wouldn't be that kind of laughter. There would only be the "Darwin awards" kind of laughter at his arrogance. But there wouldn't be the "eat the rich" sentiment if we were not all living in a dystopia while a tiny percentage of people control the world's wealth. So I see the laughter as a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. And if people don't think inequality is a problem, they are in denial or out of touch.
wait... they named the submarine the titan? Because um... History doesn't repeat itself, and it almost never rhymes, but there was this conspiracy fact about how right before the titanic was built a novel called "the wreck of the titan" was published about a bunch of wealthy people dying on a sinking ship, and... I...
Rich people don't read
Rush was most likely passively suicidal...and perhaps read this book?
Oh if I'm being fr fr, I don't think anyone becomes a billionaire without killing or at the minimum ruining lives or making other people's lives very difficult, so no I don't feel bad when they die
I don't see conservatives openly calling for the death of ANYONE!-Um HI except for you know, poc who they perceive as committing even minor crimes, LGBT people, poor people who can't afford medical care....
15:08 "Wokeness salted my land, burned my crops, and f**k my wife" that is comedy gold 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm apathetic about this situation. I will say this, I love those billionaires far less than anyone else victimized during the week this happened. I also have less love for those billionaires than every penny spent trying to rescue them.