Charge Point sales team....please, please, please come to Minnesota. Our charging infrastructure is so far behind a state like Colorado. For a progressive, outdoorsie state like Minnesota, its just such a shame how far behind we are.
ChargePoint is a horrible business model for site operators. They charge a lot for crappy Level 2 AC chargers. Look at how much the state of Maine paid for their level 2 chargers: www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.dafs.bbm.procurementservices/files/inline-files/2020%20MA%2018P%20200730-004%20Web%20Doc.pdf The ongoing costs are insane too. Contrast that with Tesla that only charges $595 for a NACS/CCS wall connector. For the cost of a ChargePoint charger, you can maintain a Tesla Wall Connector and offer every car that comes by free charging while still spending less than what ChargePoint wants.
I work for a fairly large company that can afford to install a bunch of level 2 chargers in our parking lots. It is very apparent, that the service contracts are *VERY* expensive -- the company essentially have been asking people to be vigilant about "sharing" and "careful" the use of the chargers. Invariably there are carelssess people or network/configurations/hardwore issues occur, as the number of working dispensers dwindles.
I've used many chargepoint stations across the country. As you say, they aren't super fast. But I've never encountered one that didn't work. And that's honestly more important to me than speed. I'd rather plan on being at the station an extra 10 minutes with the assurance that it will work, than risk going to a high power station from Francis or somebody like that, and then it not work.
We have about 8 of those exact units in the video spread around my work and about half of them work. I think they're heavily neglected since they're only open to employees. Has really colored my view of those units though.
When I first tried to use ChargePoint, I had to go to 4 locations before I could find one that actually worked. The connector is finicky and there is a small piece that is easily damaged that will keep the charger from engaging. When I finally did locate a unit that was not broken, it worked fine and the app was friendly enough. Is it fast, yes faster than my level 2 at home, but not 250kw fast like the Gen 3 Tesla Superchargers. Say what you want, this is not a reliable "backbone", no way I would feel comfortable on the road having to rely on this network to get me charged and from point A to point B. Tesla supercharger network, now there is a backbone!
@@davidbondiwell stated mate. I thought the term backbone sounded a bit like an AD. Everyone raves about the ease, reliability and simplicity of Tesla charging, but ChargePoint? I’m calling BS here.
If they're not broken, completely kaput, then they work great. There are a lot that are in that completely-broken condition. But I'm hoping for the best for CP.
They are the only major charging provider that allows owners to own the cabinets. Together with having a network and payment infrastructure, and a new optional service plan, makes them the only option for people who want to provide charging and own the revenue.
It's in their interest to keep the things up and running. As opposed to maybe the charger company having to pay a fee to pop chargers on someone's property. If the property owner gets paid whether they work or not, the property owner doesn't really care if they work or not. Having skin in the game focuses the mind of the entity that has the unit.
we' ve LOVE Chargepoint simply by the reasons you mention: NUMEROUS LOCATIONS and available with many more cities/utilities/regions, and businesses... so many new DUAL Chargers popping up all over our area... and we are very RURAL. Love it.
But ChargePoint’s software engineering team needs to do a better job of listening more to station owners on software enhancements. One of many examples: a station owner can set pricing and overstay fees, but it’s fairly basic and there are no advanced options such as the ability to disable the overstay fee overnight at multifamily properties so residents can charge overnight and not have to move their car at 3am to avoid the overstay fee. I think we may need to push for more competition in the marketplace and have grant funding support this.
I used a 62kW version one of these for the first time last week in Burlington Washington. Worked great on my first try, just a bit slow for my ID.4 topping out at 61kW.
The combination of NEVI and other funding schemes, and the weak position of Electrify America, I think we're the the verge of seeing an rapid expansion of other entrants into the arena. If ChargePoint and get some higher powered versions out in numbers that'd be nice.
I haven't seen any Chargepoint DCFC units in Western Washington. I use their level 2 chargers at parks and parking lots in Bellingham at times with no issues.
Sorry but Charge Point is the worst around here. Too expensive, and most are broken. I avoid them as much as possible. I am in Florida. Especially all the 25kw ones that they set up but are no longer working. Most of them are at dealerships. Very crappy support as well.
Chargepoint has been one of the most reliable charging networks for me since 2020 as a CCS user. Only recently has Electrify America improved enough to make me choose them mainly because of improved speed.
I finally went and got my first EV earlier this year, in Hawaii ChargePoint level 2 seems to be the major supplier in the areas I have been driving. The point in your video when you explain that if the enduser has not kept up the monthly maintenance package then the units are not repaired now seems to make sense why so many are defective. I can't tell you the number of locations I have pulled into to charge while shopping or dining out with broken (jammed) tabs on the J-1772 connectors. it is so frustrating. I wish they would install some of those DC fast charging stations, my local mall has two level two chargers for what must be at least 1,000 car parking lot!
Here in SC and south NC I usually end up using ChargePoint and honestly between the dealers and municipalities using CP machines/network it’s has the best coverage and options for charging. Way better than Electrify America which is unfortunate because I still get free charging at EA for another year on my Ioniq 5. Not yet had any problems with CP chargers being down which I have at EA.
Great review, Kyle. The CPE 250 had been a popular option here in the Tennessee Valley primarily because of its relatively low price and high reliability. If you ever make your way to Tennessee, hit us up. (I’m with TVA)
Great review, thanks for the info. Only one point I'd disagree with -- public charging (especially DC fast) needs to be more expensive in order to be sustainable and also to encourage proper charger etiquette (e.g., vacating chargers after a reasonable period of time).
We need charging lounge stations. So you can charge and go use the rest room or get a snacks if you want. Needs to have great lights, a small building. You know, like gas stations.
I'll be in Colorado soon in my Tesla. I'm looking for reasonable prices. In my area non Tesla superchargers I have found are running twice as much as to use.
Chargepoint has taken a big reputational hit by selling to buyers who abandon the hardware. There are derelict stations all over the place which leaves a bad taste in the mouths of EV drivers.
100% agree. I understand the need for the service plan but that doesn't help the average person showing up to a charger that just doesn't work. At Toronto airport there are 8 chargepoint dc fast chargers in the cell phone waiting lot and all 8 of them are broken and have been for some time. Even though this is the fault of the charge point operator/ site host and not chargepoint it is a very visible location and looks really bad on chargepoint.
I used a ChargePoint DC 62.5 kW charger in Klamath Falls several weeks ago that provided 27kW-which was well reported on Plug Share so no surprise. Do you think these units are being kept slow to avoid peak use charges? On that subject, I’d like to see a deep dive video on peak use charges. What kW draw do peak charges start at? My house to grid hookup is 200 amps, around 48 kW and I don’t pay these charges. Who do they apply to? How much might a 4-unit, 350 kW DC charging setup theoretically pay in these charges? Are owners actively avoiding paying these charges? Derating to avoid these charges, for example. It would take a lot of research to do a good video on the subject. Perhaps the faculty at the college you rent space from have some expertise for you to draw on? Edit: seeing reply below, the word I was looking for is demand charges. Not peak charges.
Yeah had the same problem in Klamath Falls a couple of weeks ago. I tried every charger and they were all at 26kw except one that was running at 51kw? Have no idea why. I am not a fan of 50kw charging, just not fast enough for long trips. Have a F150 lightning standard range and charging in KFalls is an hour and half process.
Demand charges will be there no matter what. Even if you limit to 1kw you'll pay that in demand charge. Some utilities are getting away from them for EV chargers. Out here in CA with PG&E the customer subscribes to a bucket of demand. For smaller sites they are 10kw increments (BEV-1 rate plan) and larger sites (BEV-2) are 50kw increments. The electricity cost is then charged on a Time of Use basis (Peak, Off Peak and Super Off Peak).
The market is wide open for a good company to come in and take over EV charging( other than Tesla)….. but it seems that no one can be a good company…. I don’t get it…
@@richardrhodes-gc2ko I have a Tesla, sorry I didn’t make it more clear….. a company other than Tesla has a shot at making some money, but no one can get their crap together
I feel like in the Bay Area you have superchargers in the back of a parking lot, Electrify America up close to the store or garage, and ChargePoint actually in the garage,
Borrowed my mother's Bolt EV for my first 460km EV roundtrip to visit one of my friends last weekend as a means to help her with those pesky 10 000 post-recall battery diagnostic kms, used Electric Circuit for charging. Most chargers along the way are advertised as 50kW but I never got more than 44kW out of them because they can only put out 125A up to 400V whereas the Bolt needs 150A to hit 50kW in the 0-15% range and ~140A for 15-50%. Shortly after 60%, the BMS starts rolling back charging current to less than 125A (power comes down from constant 43-44kW from 15% through 60%) and hits 20kW around 70%, which appears to be a typical 2017-2022 Bolt EV curve when I looked it up upon return. I was planning to charge to 80% but cut the session off early since I didn't want to get screwed by by-the-hour billing any more than I already had. Kind of disappointing to find out that the most common charging network and hardware in my areas of interest cannot deliver their advertised rating over the SoC range where 350-400V systems can actually accept it. Not really impressed with the Bolt's 66kWh pack having only about 40kWh of "roadtrippable" energy (if you can overlook hour-long charging sessions) either. Not taking an extra 5% on the way out almost got me on the way back where elevation and rain ate most of my spare range 30km before my intended charger. Using Google Earth to measure distance to that charger, it also appears Maps may have been 5km short on its trip calculation. Ended up doing about 10km in "limited power" mode.
If Chpt's sales team is so good, why haven't they cut a deal with a company like 7/11 or any other gas station company to install at their locations since gas stations already have all the prime real estate? Gas stations are always trying to figure out how to make more money...
My friends and I have EV6's and ChargePoint doesn't work with them. ChargePoint is usually the most expensive chargers you will encounter anyway only eclipsed by Shell.
@@honesty_-no9heI have a e-gmp car and use Chargepoint chargers all the time. Rarely anything above 50KW. So no idea why an EV6 would have issues The only issue I’ve had is with EVSE mfg by Signet. Sometime about 6 months ago, without any updates to the cars software, they started misbehaving with all 800v cars.
One of the more reliable UK providers (though expensive), Instavolt, has used Chargepoint since they started. I had a 2019 iPace that could be very fussy on older chargers but Chargepoint always worked. Rental ID3, no issue, now Taycan no issue at 800V (still bulletproof and of course faster) so surprised on the EV6 comment.
Are both ports usable at once? I am basically baffled at how many CCS post have two cords but only one works. We need more “stalls” than can be 240v a/c AND 400v DC fast , and you pay more for speed and you magically switch to 240v once you hit 80% or 20kW DCFC rates
The Chargepoint chargers at any of the Disney parks in orlando are not owned by Disney so no support by Disney. Most parks just have one out of 4 that work. It has been that way for months.
But, why put both CCS and NACS on the same charger? That will become redundant when CCS cars are all carrying a NACS adapter and the NACS cars are all carrying a CCS adapter. It's only going to be the adapterless Leafs (and Kia Soul EVs) that need a dedicated Chademo cable.
It’s going to be a few years before makers issue/sell authorized NACS->CCS adapters and convert to NACS for their new cars. It will more than a few years before the need for native CCS cables vanishes. And when it does, replacing the cable is relatively easy. We’re about to see that happen as twin cable dispensers switch from 2-CCS to one of each as the demand from non Tesla NACS grows as new cars with NACS actually hit the streets.
You are correct, ChargePoint’s units are generally very reliable. It’s sad their hiring practices pretty much consists of ghosting applicants they don’t hire, have a friend who’s super qualified for CP, never a response. Hopefully they’ll survive their financial situation. I don’t know why CP advises their customers to setup a “parking fee”, especially out in the middle of nowhere.
Sorry, while I agree that ChargePoint’s equipment is pretty reliable, I disagree with them being the backbone of charging infrastructure. 30-amp level two is insufficient for overnight charging on vehicles over 80 kWh. 62.5 kW DC fast charging is not fast enough. Service and maintenance contracts are very expensive, often eating up all of a location’s profits and then some, resulting in a net loss for operators. The real backbone is Tesla destination charging with their new networked solution and billing, plus Superchargers - the most cost effective and most reliable DC fast charging in the world.
I don’t consider myself up to date on their personal lives, but I was under the impression that they have been working together the whole time, and that didn’t change.
Still with Tesla stock, investors can never be sure what will happen next, bearish periods ultimately establish a new set of stocks to buy and watch while setting the stage for a robust new uptrend. I have been reading articles of people that grossed profits up to $250k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?
I agree, that's the more reason I prefer my day to day investment decisions being guided by an advisor, seeing that their entire skillset is built around going long and short at the same time both employing risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying off risk as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, coupled with the exclusive information/analysis they have, it's near impossible to not out-perform, been using my advisor for over 2years+ and I've netted over 2.8million.
I've had majority of my holdings in ETFs, tech stocks and I've had 45% increase in my portfolio, especially with Nvidia P/E (price to earnings ratio) adding few others, personally, coach Jennifer Lea Jenson take good care of my holdings.
Yes, but I have had so many bad experiences at Chargepoint stations because business do not maintain them. This is a huge problem with your business model.
Imagine having the head start of Electrify America with billions invested and completely fumbling the ball as badly as they have. Glad to see someone in the CCS world is actually performing.
Its such an absurd situation, if the EA stations had actually been reliable and durable they would have eventually been money printers for VW group. It's just laziness, they buy a charger from whoever the fuck manufacturer, slap a logo on it, install the charger, pocket the subsidy money, move on. Whereas had they actually had a hand in designing reliable charging units and keeping them maintained, they could have actually made real revenue in the long-run. Instead, they've left heaps of money sitting on the table, and completely lost customer faith at the same time.
Thank goodness for ChargePoint -- often the only oasis in the midst of the many CCS "charging deserts" here in the Midwest. ChargePoint units have often meant the difference between success and failure for a number of trips we've taken in Iowa/southeastern Minnesota/southwestern Wisconsin. 60 kW in a pinch -- heck yes, I'll take it, and be glad to have it.
Alyssa, you're a genius! First, you flip sides to get the beautiful Fall foliage in the background, then you add an important fact to the discussion, than you push in when the truck goes by to get better sound. MVP of the Out Of Spec team!
I’m a big fan of ChargePoint. I had a leaf and now have a Kona so the 62kw limit isn’t much of a limit to me and they AWAYS work. Have never had a failed session. CP is the only network that ever delivered the 50kW my leaf could take.
I agree, I love these chargers, and the 40 minutes (or less if they are paired) it takes to charge my EV6 from 20% - 80% is perfect to run into a cafe and hit the restroom on a road trip, but the problem is they are always installed in sets of one or two. You have just a single person in front of you and that 40 minutes goes to an hour and a half. I would love to see larger installs with 4 or 6 of these.
That's the "Beauty" or "Downfall" of this. The property owner may not jump at all if the deal was 4 or 6 minimum. Potentially leaving a gap in coverage. Unfortunately using "Better than nuthin'" for a marketing campaign isn't a good idea.
Especially when you don’t have an 800v car. It’s INFURIATING when these are the only option on major corridors, because when their installed in sets of 2 and their both used you drop to 30kw per car and it takes almost 2 hours to charge
I took the $500 of Evgo credit w/ my Chevy Bolt EV, and it can be used on ChargePoint chargers. I drove from Arkansas to northern Minnesota and back, twice, using almost entirely ChargePoint chargers. Never touched EA, only used 1 Evgo charger. ChargePoint chargers were extremely reliable, and while some had lower speeds like 62Kw, that didn't cause a problem for my Bolt's top speed of 55. In the 3+ years of owning an EV, I've used EA once and it worked fine, but ChargePoint has been my proven champion.
Here in south east Pennsylvania, we have many ChargePoint locations. They seem to be the popular choice among local municipalities just starting out with installing EV chargers. Some even offer free charging. As a Leaf owner, I appreciate that the ChargePoint DC chargers around here usually have a CHAdeMO connector. But the most important factor to me is that they are reliable and easy to use, including the app.
I just completed a road trip to Oregon which relied on Chargepoint chargers in the town I was staying in. The chargers worked great and 50 kW was just about the right speed for walking to one of the many restaurants within a couple blocks of the charger and eating dinner. However, as the number of EVs increases, the amount of charging capacity is going to have to vastly increase with it. This site had 4 chargers, which would have been pretty good 2-3 years ago, but is likely to be woefully inadequate 2-3 years from now, due to increasing numbers of EVs on the road. We also need lots more overnight level 2 charging at hotels and AirBnb's, as the general lack of it puts a lot of pressure on the limited supply of DC chargers, especially if the appeal of eating dinner while charging results in everybody staying at the town trying to hit the same DC chargers at the same time.
Great comment. I just did a 700 mile road trip on the Eastern Seaboard. I generally was able to use EA 350 fast chargers and get to 85% in about 12-15 minutes. Had some slow 50kw charges in Quebec, but that was offset by incredibly low prices and restaurants close by. It took an hour to go up to 80%. You are correct, Level2 at hotel/motel is awesome. I am running some numbers on the microeconomics; Level2 is the place where hotels and small businesses can make some profit. Low cost of install (under $5k-$10k for a charger) and charging the same price per KW delivered as the fast chargers means that small businesses can actually profit from this. It's not perfect, but being able to add 11Kw per hour makes a big difference when you spend a couple hours walking around a downtown area, at a restaurant, or inside a mall.
Chargpoint needs to add boost logic to their CPE250 cables pronto! They would be much more useful at 300 amps and the cable is plenty capable of that power level.
They recently opened some DC fast chargers at a grocery store I frequent (ideal location imho) and the charger states that it can do 150kW at 1000V, which surprised me as usually you see 150kW chargers getting limited to 500V. So I had to test it out and yes, my Ioniq 6 was able to charge at 150kW at that charger :) . It's nice to see more and more DC chargers popping up everywhere and nice that more and more support 1000V
The ChargePoint units in Missouri are really an exception to this story about how great they are. Not sure if it’s ChargePoint, Ameren (the elec utility provider that has their name all over the chargers), or the site owners… but they were all derated (unannounced) this summer to 30kW, literally all of them in eastern MO. And we have no idea why or if that will happen again moving forward.
Totally agree. Ameren Missouri runs these and derates them constantly. Ameren must be run by a bunch of anti-ev luddites. They took the fed handouts and ran. Crooks.
I would assume that's the fault of the stations' owner (Ameren?). ChargePoint themselves would have no reason I can imagine to force the owner/operator to de-rate them. It was probably done to "support the grid" while people were heavily using AC in the summer.
Am I missing something here? The Tesla chargers I use away from home are 250kw an hour. Why are these so slow? It would take so much longer on one of these?
If you have a Tesla, these aren’t really geared to you. However for everyone else these do work well…and typically pull rated charge. Very much like EA and a couple others that seem to be a crapshoot. Maybe 150kWh+….maybe 3kWh. When traveling, these are always on the plan A, B, C….and sometimes Z list.
If you have a Tesla, these aren’t really geared to you. However for everyone else these do work well…and typically pull rated charge. Very much unlike EA and a couple others that seem to be a crapshoot. Maybe 150kWh+….maybe 3kWh. When traveling, these are always on the plan A, B, C….and sometimes Z list.
These are local curbside charging units, they aren’t meant to be used by people who need to drive 800 miles in a day. Though, they probably are given how there aren’t enough working chargers. Carbondale in Colorado might just be a lunch stop along the way to skiing.
Salida CO has a bunch of FREE ChargePoint L2 chargers, located all over the town. That's a great way to get tourists to stick around for a few hours. Some free Rivian L2 chargers at the downtown Safeway, too.
ChargePoint 125kW saved my hide traveling through Columbia, SC when the EA station was down last week. Most consistent power delivery of any DC charger I’ve ever used.
Tesla has installed 27 new 250 kW Supercharger stations just in the month of October in the US. Locations have 8-20 stalls. This has been pretty much the standard install rate in 2023 with 2024 and beyond anticipated to go at a faster pace. Chargepoint while a great addition will have a hard time keeping up especially with the tight software integration advantage Tesla has. To state in the headline Chargepoint will be the EV backbone is a stretch.
Side note, this is a perfect illustration of why driver-side charge ports are bad. With any curbside charger, the cable needs to be pulled across the front of the vehicle, and the wand is sticking out into traffic. Should it get clipped by a passing car, then both the car and the charging hardware will suffer expensive damage. (Rivian's angled port at least minimizes the exposure as compared to a perpendicular port, but it's still a bad location.)
Curbside charging is not practical, and owning an EV is bound to be a disappointment if you do not first own a garage to L2 charge it and keep it warm. Driver’s side charge ports are located with DCFC in mind, and are more convenient in inclement weather. A solution? Dual charge ports! The cost would probably be $100s, but as a percentage of EV price, most would find it a very acceptable increase for the value. Or, make it a factory-installed option.
@@89five3five For curbside charging? No, not in the USA. (Unless you want an expensive ticket, and possibly a moving violation if a cop catches you in the act of driving the wrong way to pull up to the charger.)
@@carsonassociates3263 Dual charge ports would be great! Or maybe a center-located charge port like on the Leaf, but that may limit some design elements of the car.
As a Tesla driver, I have used their L2 chargers many places - especially in parking garages to charge up while I'm doing something else. In particular, the South Gondola parking structure in Breckenridge. Since moving to Colorado, I am considering getting a CCS adaptor so I can use their L3 chargers since they are in several small towns throughout Colorado.
They put one of these (60 kW) in Gardiner, MT and it's great. Did the Beartooth Highway twice this summer in my M3P. Just need one in Red Lodge now. I also used these this summer up in Whitefish with zero issues. Not bad at all Also, it was de-rated to 30 kW last time I went there. I filed a support ticket and they fixed it within a week
I charged at the Lvl 2 stations in Red Lodge while we ate and shopped around for a few hours. Was enough to get back to Canyon Village and plug in at the hotel. But, they need a lot more charging stalls there for such a big hotel. The 4 they have there wasn't enough between other EVs and being ICE'd. With Yellowstone area being so popular, I'm surprised there aren't as much public charging options. Might have to do with the heavy anti-EV stance the governer has... Red Lodge could use a few DCFC stalls for beartooth, and there definitely needs to be more DCFC/SC options in the Wind River Reservation area, and in Jackson. I stopped at a LVL 2 station between casper and jackson to charge for 1.5 hours. It was an hour faster than going all the way around the state, but would have saved a ton of time if there was even a 50kW station somewhere in the reservation area.
I’ve been wanted to drive portland to red lodge in m VW. Still a weird hole through Bozeman that boggles my mind. EA might be building a location there. Montana is one of the trickiest states right now
@@ben3989Bozeman has two Tesla Supercharger lots, but it is strange that even their Walmart doesn’t have any charging. The way things are going, it could be the third Supercharger lot, but Bozeman overall needs more chargers along Main Street.
This sounds like an AD to me. Just a few short weeks ago, he and his dad were raving about Tesla superchargers. I’m smelling BS here ( and a sponsor too)….
Was at EA this week. Tried 2, the others were full. Best I got was 30kWh. RAN charger down the highway topped out at 213kWh. It’s not the vehicle, it’s the charger.
@@JorgTheEldersite owners just buy the cheapest thing offered. If they didn’t offer the crappy cables then the site owners wouldn’t buy them. The issue is the site owners don’t understand and they think they are being upsold.
Recently ran in to a pair of them that were off line and unavailable. Which was really bad as I I waist the middle of no where. Found a level 2 and charged for 2 hours to get 40 miles down the road to the next DC charger. The units that were off line were that way for 2 weeks. I tried calling Customer service, after an hour of music on hold, I gave up. They didn't answer my emails either
Backbone??? Really??? I’ve been driving Teslas for 10 years, and I’ve never used ChargePoint. In fact, I’m not sure if I’ve ever even seen one! There’s a REASON all the other EV makers are adapting the Tesla standard.
You talk about how easy it is to get the Change Point, but I never hear you advising anyone to call when they find any charger, not working. Only by phone call can chargers get fixed. Even if the repair is to be done by a city or contractor the maker of the charger need v to be called.
In Norway you don't get the government funding if you install only one charger. Two is the minimum. Smart! I hate places with only one charger. No redundancy, and that's not a good situation.
Charge Point DC chargers all over in Michigan mitten. They always work! It’s rare when they don’t, although the closest ones to me in Owosso, Michigan are turned off - been this way for weeks. They are the perfect charge speed to have near restaurants, shopping centers, or grocery stores.
ChargePoint has a lot of experience, with the best AC charging infrastructure literally everywhere. All they gotta do is upgrade their AC locations to DC (at least every 20 miles)
TLDW: basically they sell charging as a service and have a fantastic sales team
Charge Point sales team....please, please, please come to Minnesota. Our charging infrastructure is so far behind a state like Colorado. For a progressive, outdoorsie state like Minnesota, its just such a shame how far behind we are.
love that you did this for your own video lmao.
ChargePoint is a horrible business model for site operators. They charge a lot for crappy Level 2 AC chargers. Look at how much the state of Maine paid for their level 2 chargers:
www.maine.gov/future/sites/maine.gov.dafs.bbm.procurementservices/files/inline-files/2020%20MA%2018P%20200730-004%20Web%20Doc.pdf
The ongoing costs are insane too. Contrast that with Tesla that only charges $595 for a NACS/CCS wall connector. For the cost of a ChargePoint charger, you can maintain a Tesla Wall Connector and offer every car that comes by free charging while still spending less than what ChargePoint wants.
I work for a fairly large company that can afford to install a bunch of level 2 chargers in our parking lots. It is very apparent, that the service contracts are *VERY* expensive -- the company essentially have been asking people to be vigilant about "sharing" and "careful" the use of the chargers. Invariably there are carelssess people or network/configurations/hardwore issues occur, as the number of working dispensers dwindles.
I watched but def appreciate the summary
I've used many chargepoint stations across the country. As you say, they aren't super fast. But I've never encountered one that didn't work. And that's honestly more important to me than speed. I'd rather plan on being at the station an extra 10 minutes with the assurance that it will work, than risk going to a high power station from Francis or somebody like that, and then it not work.
We have about 8 of those exact units in the video spread around my work and about half of them work. I think they're heavily neglected since they're only open to employees. Has really colored my view of those units though.
When I first tried to use ChargePoint, I had to go to 4 locations before I could find one that actually worked. The connector is finicky and there is a small piece that is easily damaged that will keep the charger from engaging. When I finally did locate a unit that was not broken, it worked fine and the app was friendly enough. Is it fast, yes faster than my level 2 at home, but not 250kw fast like the Gen 3 Tesla Superchargers. Say what you want, this is not a reliable "backbone", no way I would feel comfortable on the road having to rely on this network to get me charged and from point A to point B. Tesla supercharger network, now there is a backbone!
@@davidbondiwell stated mate. I thought the term backbone sounded a bit like an AD. Everyone raves about the ease, reliability and simplicity of Tesla charging, but ChargePoint? I’m calling BS here.
If they're not broken, completely kaput, then they work great. There are a lot that are in that completely-broken condition. But I'm hoping for the best for CP.
I've tried to use some locally several times. My success rate is 0%. I've never gotten one to work.
They are the only major charging provider that allows owners to own the cabinets. Together with having a network and payment infrastructure, and a new optional service plan, makes them the only option for people who want to provide charging and own the revenue.
It's in their interest to keep the things up and running. As opposed to maybe the charger company having to pay a fee to pop chargers on someone's property. If the property owner gets paid whether they work or not, the property owner doesn't really care if they work or not. Having skin in the game focuses the mind of the entity that has the unit.
we' ve LOVE Chargepoint simply by the reasons you mention: NUMEROUS LOCATIONS and available with many more cities/utilities/regions, and businesses... so many new DUAL Chargers popping up all over our area... and we are very RURAL. Love it.
I don’t quick charge my LEAF very often here in California but it’s the ChargePoint units that are easy and work.
But ChargePoint’s software engineering team needs to do a better job of listening more to station owners on software enhancements. One of many examples: a station owner can set pricing and overstay fees, but it’s fairly basic and there are no advanced options such as the ability to disable the overstay fee overnight at multifamily properties so residents can charge overnight and not have to move their car at 3am to avoid the overstay fee. I think we may need to push for more competition in the marketplace and have grant funding support this.
I used a 62kW version one of these for the first time last week in Burlington Washington. Worked great on my first try, just a bit slow for my ID.4 topping out at 61kW.
Our parking garage at work provided ChargePoint (L2) and for 5+ years (5 days a week) they were never broken.
The combination of NEVI and other funding schemes, and the weak position of Electrify America, I think we're the the verge of seeing an rapid expansion of other entrants into the arena. If ChargePoint and get some higher powered versions out in numbers that'd be nice.
I haven't seen any Chargepoint DCFC units in Western Washington. I use their level 2 chargers at parks and parking lots in Bellingham at times with no issues.
Kyle, thank you. I don’t have an EV. But do want one in the future! I love this kind of information!
Sorry but Charge Point is the worst around here. Too expensive, and most are broken. I avoid them as much as possible. I am in Florida. Especially all the 25kw ones that they set up but are no longer working. Most of them are at dealerships. Very crappy support as well.
Chargepoint has been one of the most reliable charging networks for me since 2020 as a CCS user. Only recently has Electrify America improved enough to make me choose them mainly because of improved speed.
I finally went and got my first EV earlier this year, in Hawaii ChargePoint level 2 seems to be the major supplier in the areas I have been driving. The point in your video when you explain that if the enduser has not kept up the monthly maintenance package then the units are not repaired now seems to make sense why so many are defective. I can't tell you the number of locations I have pulled into to charge while shopping or dining out with broken (jammed) tabs on the J-1772 connectors. it is so frustrating. I wish they would install some of those DC fast charging stations, my local mall has two level two chargers for what must be at least 1,000 car parking lot!
Here in VA, MD and PA area, these are popping up at Dealerships.
I'm definitely more likely to use one of these now with Kyle's recommendations!
I’ve used ChargePoint numerous times and they’ve been great. Absolutely agree more reliable than EA.
Here in SC and south NC I usually end up using ChargePoint and honestly between the dealers and municipalities using CP machines/network it’s has the best coverage and options for charging. Way better than Electrify America which is unfortunate because I still get free charging at EA for another year on my Ioniq 5. Not yet had any problems with CP chargers being down which I have at EA.
Great review, Kyle. The CPE 250 had been a popular option here in the Tennessee Valley primarily because of its relatively low price and high reliability. If you ever make your way to Tennessee, hit us up. (I’m with TVA)
Great review, thanks for the info. Only one point I'd disagree with -- public charging (especially DC fast) needs to be more expensive in order to be sustainable and also to encourage proper charger etiquette (e.g., vacating chargers after a reasonable period of time).
this is making me realize how few ev's put the charger port on the sidewalk side
Thank you for your excellent video. I have found your comments and experiences with ChargePoint to be true.
I hope this helps their stock!!
I love thos station. 10 canadian an hour while shell charges 30!!! Let that sink in.
Chargepoint chargers work great, but they typically don't have charging speeds as fast as EA.
Vast majority of ChargePoint sales go through its resellers. Aspen…sold by NCC. Leadville…sold by NCC. Crested Butte…sold by NCC.
How good does those charges work with the rolling blackouts...
We need charging lounge stations. So you can charge and go use the rest room or get a snacks if you want.
Needs to have great lights, a small building.
You know, like gas stations.
I'll be in Colorado soon in my Tesla. I'm looking for reasonable prices.
In my area non Tesla superchargers I have found are running twice as much as to use.
Chargepoint has taken a big reputational hit by selling to buyers who abandon the hardware. There are derelict stations all over the place which leaves a bad taste in the mouths of EV drivers.
100% agree. I understand the need for the service plan but that doesn't help the average person showing up to a charger that just doesn't work. At Toronto airport there are 8 chargepoint dc fast chargers in the cell phone waiting lot and all 8 of them are broken and have been for some time. Even though this is the fault of the charge point operator/ site host and not chargepoint it is a very visible location and looks really bad on chargepoint.
I used a ChargePoint DC 62.5 kW charger in Klamath Falls several weeks ago that provided 27kW-which was well reported on Plug Share so no surprise. Do you think these units are being kept slow to avoid peak use charges?
On that subject, I’d like to see a deep dive video on peak use charges. What kW draw do peak charges start at? My house to grid hookup is 200 amps, around 48 kW and I don’t pay these charges. Who do they apply to? How much might a 4-unit, 350 kW DC charging setup theoretically pay in these charges? Are owners actively avoiding paying these charges? Derating to avoid these charges, for example.
It would take a lot of research to do a good video on the subject. Perhaps the faculty at the college you rent space from have some expertise for you to draw on?
Edit: seeing reply below, the word I was looking for is demand charges. Not peak charges.
Yeah had the same problem in Klamath Falls a couple of weeks ago. I tried every charger and they were all at 26kw except one that was running at 51kw? Have no idea why. I am not a fan of 50kw charging, just not fast enough for long trips. Have a F150 lightning standard range and charging in KFalls is an hour and half process.
Demand charges will be there no matter what. Even if you limit to 1kw you'll pay that in demand charge. Some utilities are getting away from them for EV chargers. Out here in CA with PG&E the customer subscribes to a bucket of demand. For smaller sites they are 10kw increments (BEV-1 rate plan) and larger sites (BEV-2) are 50kw increments.
The electricity cost is then charged on a Time of Use basis (Peak, Off Peak and Super Off Peak).
I don't know of any ChargePoint high power fast chargers anywhere in the Mid-Atlantic. Pretty much all EVgo and EA here.
The market is wide open for a good company to come in and take over EV charging( other than Tesla)….. but it seems that no one can be a good company…. I don’t get it…
What,Never heard of Tesla?Crawl back under that rock :)
@@richardrhodes-gc2ko I have a Tesla, sorry I didn’t make it more clear….. a company other than Tesla has a shot at making some money, but no one can get their crap together
I you personal apinion. What is the difference between charge point and Autel?
No love on Polestar for kilowatt draw? "Aging Wheels" just did a video and I believe that could grab 150 if available.
I feel like in the Bay Area you have superchargers in the back of a parking lot, Electrify America up close to the store or garage, and ChargePoint actually in the garage,
Haven't had any issues with Charge Point DC units. They just work.
in my neck of the woods they are quite a bit more expensive than Electrify America
Borrowed my mother's Bolt EV for my first 460km EV roundtrip to visit one of my friends last weekend as a means to help her with those pesky 10 000 post-recall battery diagnostic kms, used Electric Circuit for charging. Most chargers along the way are advertised as 50kW but I never got more than 44kW out of them because they can only put out 125A up to 400V whereas the Bolt needs 150A to hit 50kW in the 0-15% range and ~140A for 15-50%. Shortly after 60%, the BMS starts rolling back charging current to less than 125A (power comes down from constant 43-44kW from 15% through 60%) and hits 20kW around 70%, which appears to be a typical 2017-2022 Bolt EV curve when I looked it up upon return. I was planning to charge to 80% but cut the session off early since I didn't want to get screwed by by-the-hour billing any more than I already had. Kind of disappointing to find out that the most common charging network and hardware in my areas of interest cannot deliver their advertised rating over the SoC range where 350-400V systems can actually accept it. Not really impressed with the Bolt's 66kWh pack having only about 40kWh of "roadtrippable" energy (if you can overlook hour-long charging sessions) either.
Not taking an extra 5% on the way out almost got me on the way back where elevation and rain ate most of my spare range 30km before my intended charger. Using Google Earth to measure distance to that charger, it also appears Maps may have been 5km short on its trip calculation. Ended up doing about 10km in "limited power" mode.
If Chpt's sales team is so good, why haven't they cut a deal with a company like 7/11 or any other gas station company to install at their locations since gas stations already have all the prime real estate? Gas stations are always trying to figure out how to make more money...
Ever heard of the TESLA SUPERCHARGER network?
PS the ChargePoint subscriptions are annual, up to 5 years prepaid.
My friends and I have EV6's and ChargePoint doesn't work with them. ChargePoint is usually the most expensive chargers you will encounter anyway only eclipsed by Shell.
Blame 800volt and Korean design of your cars.
@@honesty_-no9heI have a e-gmp car and use Chargepoint chargers all the time. Rarely anything above 50KW. So no idea why an EV6 would have issues
The only issue I’ve had is with EVSE mfg by Signet. Sometime about 6 months ago, without any updates to the cars software, they started misbehaving with all 800v cars.
One of the more reliable UK providers (though expensive), Instavolt, has used Chargepoint since they started. I had a 2019 iPace that could be very fussy on older chargers but Chargepoint always worked. Rental ID3, no issue, now Taycan no issue at 800V (still bulletproof and of course faster) so surprised on the EV6 comment.
Never seen those around phoenix. But I do not drive over the entire city.
Is this all profitable or are they operating at a loss?
Are both ports usable at once? I am basically baffled at how many CCS post have two cords but only one works.
We need more “stalls” than can be 240v a/c AND 400v DC fast , and you pay more for speed and you magically switch to 240v once you hit 80% or 20kW DCFC rates
Love the video! Is it time to buy stock in ChargePoint?
Game over for Tesla
The Chargepoint chargers at any of the Disney parks in orlando are not owned by Disney so no support by Disney. Most parks just have one out of 4 that work. It has been that way for months.
But, why put both CCS and NACS on the same charger? That will become redundant when CCS cars are all carrying a NACS adapter and the NACS cars are all carrying a CCS adapter. It's only going to be the adapterless Leafs (and Kia Soul EVs) that need a dedicated Chademo cable.
It’s going to be a few years before makers issue/sell authorized NACS->CCS adapters and convert to NACS for their new cars. It will more than a few years before the need for native CCS cables vanishes. And when it does, replacing the cable is relatively easy. We’re about to see that happen as twin cable dispensers switch from 2-CCS to one of each as the demand from non Tesla NACS grows as new cars with NACS actually hit the streets.
Why do they charge a parking fee while charging? Because people set a low charging rate in the car so they can park all day "while charging"
This will be a quick one. 12:37
You are correct, ChargePoint’s units are generally very reliable. It’s sad their hiring practices pretty much consists of ghosting applicants they don’t hire, have a friend who’s super qualified for CP, never a response. Hopefully they’ll survive their financial situation. I don’t know why CP advises their customers to setup a “parking fee”, especially out in the middle of nowhere.
Sorry, while I agree that ChargePoint’s equipment is pretty reliable, I disagree with them being the backbone of charging infrastructure.
30-amp level two is insufficient for overnight charging on vehicles over 80 kWh.
62.5 kW DC fast charging is not fast enough.
Service and maintenance contracts are very expensive, often eating up all of a location’s profits and then some, resulting in a net loss for operators.
The real backbone is Tesla destination charging with their new networked solution and billing, plus Superchargers - the most cost effective and most reliable DC fast charging in the world.
Typical video length is around 12min… Kyle “this is going to be a quick one” 😅
i just looked at ~50kW and there are abunch all over the US.
I just want to see how big Kyle's beard gets
Is he with a different Alyssa or is he back with the previous Alyssa?
I don’t consider myself up to date on their personal lives, but I was under the impression that they have been working together the whole time, and that didn’t change.
The chargers are cool, but how about their stock share price? Yikes!
This sounds like a. paid advertisement for ChargePoint.
Still with Tesla stock, investors can never be sure what will happen next, bearish periods ultimately establish a new set of stocks to buy and watch while setting the stage for a robust new uptrend. I have been reading articles of people that grossed profits up to $250k during this crash, what are the best stocks to buy now or put on a watchlist?
I enjoy challenging my investing mindset with the thoughts of others superior to mine, our thinking is definitely similar.
I agree, that's the more reason I prefer my day to day investment decisions being guided by an advisor, seeing that their entire skillset is built around going long and short at the same time both employing risk for its asymmetrical upside and laying off risk as a hedge against the inevitable downward turns, coupled with the exclusive information/analysis they have, it's near impossible to not out-perform, been using my advisor for over 2years+ and I've netted over 2.8million.
Smart, If i wanted to do the same with my retirement funds too, how do i get started trading?
how do I go about it the right way. I’d love to use similar terms as yours.
I've had majority of my holdings in ETFs, tech stocks and I've had 45% increase in my portfolio, especially with Nvidia P/E (price to earnings ratio) adding few others, personally, coach Jennifer Lea Jenson take good care of my holdings.
Enabling businesses of any type to offer EV charging for EV drivers everywhere 🙂
Thanks Chargepoint! Every time I use one at a hotel it just works.
Yes, but I have had so many bad experiences at Chargepoint stations because business do not maintain them. This is a huge problem with your business model.
Imagine having the head start of Electrify America with billions invested and completely fumbling the ball as badly as they have. Glad to see someone in the CCS world is actually performing.
Its such an absurd situation, if the EA stations had actually been reliable and durable they would have eventually been money printers for VW group. It's just laziness, they buy a charger from whoever the fuck manufacturer, slap a logo on it, install the charger, pocket the subsidy money, move on. Whereas had they actually had a hand in designing reliable charging units and keeping them maintained, they could have actually made real revenue in the long-run. Instead, they've left heaps of money sitting on the table, and completely lost customer faith at the same time.
Charge point is slower but they always seem to work. I'll lake 62.5 kw versus broken any day.
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Thank goodness for ChargePoint -- often the only oasis in the midst of the many CCS "charging deserts" here in the Midwest. ChargePoint units have often meant the difference between success and failure for a number of trips we've taken in Iowa/southeastern Minnesota/southwestern Wisconsin. 60 kW in a pinch -- heck yes, I'll take it, and be glad to have it.
Alyssa, you're a genius! First, you flip sides to get the beautiful Fall foliage in the background, then you add an important fact to the discussion, than you push in when the truck goes by to get better sound. MVP of the Out Of Spec team!
I’m a big fan of ChargePoint. I had a leaf and now have a Kona so the 62kw limit isn’t much of a limit to me and they AWAYS work. Have never had a failed session. CP is the only network that ever delivered the 50kW my leaf could take.
I agree, I love these chargers, and the 40 minutes (or less if they are paired) it takes to charge my EV6 from 20% - 80% is perfect to run into a cafe and hit the restroom on a road trip, but the problem is they are always installed in sets of one or two. You have just a single person in front of you and that 40 minutes goes to an hour and a half. I would love to see larger installs with 4 or 6 of these.
That's the "Beauty" or "Downfall" of this. The property owner may not jump at all if the deal was 4 or 6 minimum. Potentially leaving a gap in coverage. Unfortunately using "Better than nuthin'" for a marketing campaign isn't a good idea.
Especially when you don’t have an 800v car. It’s INFURIATING when these are the only option on major corridors, because when their installed in sets of 2 and their both used you drop to 30kw per car and it takes almost 2 hours to charge
I took the $500 of Evgo credit w/ my Chevy Bolt EV, and it can be used on ChargePoint chargers. I drove from Arkansas to northern Minnesota and back, twice, using almost entirely ChargePoint chargers. Never touched EA, only used 1 Evgo charger. ChargePoint chargers were extremely reliable, and while some had lower speeds like 62Kw, that didn't cause a problem for my Bolt's top speed of 55.
In the 3+ years of owning an EV, I've used EA once and it worked fine, but ChargePoint has been my proven champion.
Here in south east Pennsylvania, we have many ChargePoint locations. They seem to be the popular choice among local municipalities just starting out with installing EV chargers. Some even offer free charging. As a Leaf owner, I appreciate that the ChargePoint DC chargers around here usually have a CHAdeMO connector. But the most important factor to me is that they are reliable and easy to use, including the app.
I just completed a road trip to Oregon which relied on Chargepoint chargers in the town I was staying in. The chargers worked great and 50 kW was just about the right speed for walking to one of the many restaurants within a couple blocks of the charger and eating dinner.
However, as the number of EVs increases, the amount of charging capacity is going to have to vastly increase with it. This site had 4 chargers, which would have been pretty good 2-3 years ago, but is likely to be woefully inadequate 2-3 years from now, due to increasing numbers of EVs on the road. We also need lots more overnight level 2 charging at hotels and AirBnb's, as the general lack of it puts a lot of pressure on the limited supply of DC chargers, especially if the appeal of eating dinner while charging results in everybody staying at the town trying to hit the same DC chargers at the same time.
Great comment. I just did a 700 mile road trip on the Eastern Seaboard. I generally was able to use EA 350 fast chargers and get to 85% in about 12-15 minutes. Had some slow 50kw charges in Quebec, but that was offset by incredibly low prices and restaurants close by. It took an hour to go up to 80%. You are correct, Level2 at hotel/motel is awesome. I am running some numbers on the microeconomics; Level2 is the place where hotels and small businesses can make some profit. Low cost of install (under $5k-$10k for a charger) and charging the same price per KW delivered as the fast chargers means that small businesses can actually profit from this. It's not perfect, but being able to add 11Kw per hour makes a big difference when you spend a couple hours walking around a downtown area, at a restaurant, or inside a mall.
Chargpoint needs to add boost logic to their CPE250 cables pronto! They would be much more useful at 300 amps and the cable is plenty capable of that power level.
They recently opened some DC fast chargers at a grocery store I frequent (ideal location imho) and the charger states that it can do 150kW at 1000V, which surprised me as usually you see 150kW chargers getting limited to 500V. So I had to test it out and yes, my Ioniq 6 was able to charge at 150kW at that charger :) . It's nice to see more and more DC chargers popping up everywhere and nice that more and more support 1000V
The ChargePoint units in Missouri are really an exception to this story about how great they are. Not sure if it’s ChargePoint, Ameren (the elec utility provider that has their name all over the chargers), or the site owners… but they were all derated (unannounced) this summer to 30kW, literally all of them in eastern MO. And we have no idea why or if that will happen again moving forward.
Totally agree. Ameren Missouri runs these and derates them constantly. Ameren must be run by a bunch of anti-ev luddites. They took the fed handouts and ran. Crooks.
I would assume that's the fault of the stations' owner (Ameren?). ChargePoint themselves would have no reason I can imagine to force the owner/operator to de-rate them. It was probably done to "support the grid" while people were heavily using AC in the summer.
Charge point in BC Canada is amazing. Stage 2 is slow slow but the DC fast chargers always work and do about 60 kw. More than enough for me
@@gotamdPeak demand fees are expensive. That is the only reason to derate them like that. (It is thousands extra per month, every month.)
@@fitybux4664But the utility owns the stations, they don’t bill themselves their own service.
Am I missing something here? The Tesla chargers I use away from home are 250kw an hour. Why are these so slow? It would take so much longer on one of these?
If you have a Tesla, these aren’t really geared to you. However for everyone else these do work well…and typically pull rated charge. Very much like EA and a couple others that seem to be a crapshoot. Maybe 150kWh+….maybe 3kWh. When traveling, these are always on the plan A, B, C….and sometimes Z list.
If you have a Tesla, these aren’t really geared to you. However for everyone else these do work well…and typically pull rated charge. Very much unlike EA and a couple others that seem to be a crapshoot. Maybe 150kWh+….maybe 3kWh. When traveling, these are always on the plan A, B, C….and sometimes Z list.
These are local curbside charging units, they aren’t meant to be used by people who need to drive 800 miles in a day. Though, they probably are given how there aren’t enough working chargers. Carbondale in Colorado might just be a lunch stop along the way to skiing.
Chargepoint level2 is horrible in florida. They all broke and not maintained
Salida CO has a bunch of FREE ChargePoint L2 chargers, located all over the town. That's a great way to get tourists to stick around for a few hours. Some free Rivian L2 chargers at the downtown Safeway, too.
ChargePoint 125kW saved my hide traveling through Columbia, SC when the EA station was down last week. Most consistent power delivery of any DC charger I’ve ever used.
Chargepoint needs to install the 50kW chargers all throughout grocery store parking lots around the country tbh
Tesla has installed 27 new 250 kW Supercharger stations just in the month of October in the US. Locations have 8-20 stalls. This has been pretty much the standard install rate in 2023 with 2024 and beyond anticipated to go at a faster pace. Chargepoint while a great addition will have a hard time keeping up especially with the tight software integration advantage Tesla has. To state in the headline Chargepoint will be the EV backbone is a stretch.
Side note, this is a perfect illustration of why driver-side charge ports are bad. With any curbside charger, the cable needs to be pulled across the front of the vehicle, and the wand is sticking out into traffic. Should it get clipped by a passing car, then both the car and the charging hardware will suffer expensive damage. (Rivian's angled port at least minimizes the exposure as compared to a perpendicular port, but it's still a bad location.)
The could just park in the opposite direction.. no?
@@89five3five It is illegal in many countries to park against the direction of traffic
Curbside charging is not practical, and owning an EV is bound to be a disappointment if you do not first own a garage to L2 charge it and keep it warm. Driver’s side charge ports are located with DCFC in mind, and are more convenient in inclement weather.
A solution? Dual charge ports! The cost would probably be $100s, but as a percentage of EV price, most would find it a very acceptable increase for the value. Or, make it a factory-installed option.
@@89five3five For curbside charging? No, not in the USA. (Unless you want an expensive ticket, and possibly a moving violation if a cop catches you in the act of driving the wrong way to pull up to the charger.)
@@carsonassociates3263 Dual charge ports would be great! Or maybe a center-located charge port like on the Leaf, but that may limit some design elements of the car.
12:37 Yeah, that is a quick Kyle Connor video. Good information though
Thanks Kyle. 😊
As a Tesla driver, I have used their L2 chargers many places - especially in parking garages to charge up while I'm doing something else. In particular, the South Gondola parking structure in Breckenridge. Since moving to Colorado, I am considering getting a CCS adaptor so I can use their L3 chargers since they are in several small towns throughout Colorado.
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They put one of these (60 kW) in Gardiner, MT and it's great. Did the Beartooth Highway twice this summer in my M3P. Just need one in Red Lodge now. I also used these this summer up in Whitefish with zero issues. Not bad at all
Also, it was de-rated to 30 kW last time I went there. I filed a support ticket and they fixed it within a week
I charged at the Lvl 2 stations in Red Lodge while we ate and shopped around for a few hours. Was enough to get back to Canyon Village and plug in at the hotel. But, they need a lot more charging stalls there for such a big hotel. The 4 they have there wasn't enough between other EVs and being ICE'd.
With Yellowstone area being so popular, I'm surprised there aren't as much public charging options. Might have to do with the heavy anti-EV stance the governer has...
Red Lodge could use a few DCFC stalls for beartooth, and there definitely needs to be more DCFC/SC options in the Wind River Reservation area, and in Jackson.
I stopped at a LVL 2 station between casper and jackson to charge for 1.5 hours. It was an hour faster than going all the way around the state, but would have saved a ton of time if there was even a 50kW station somewhere in the reservation area.
I’ve been wanted to drive portland to red lodge in m VW. Still a weird hole through Bozeman that boggles my mind. EA might be building a location there. Montana is one of the trickiest states right now
There's an EA at Target it Bozeman they just built. Hasn't gone on line yet but I think it's supposed to any day now@@ben3989
@@ben3989Bozeman has two Tesla Supercharger lots, but it is strange that even their Walmart doesn’t have any charging. The way things are going, it could be the third Supercharger lot, but Bozeman overall needs more chargers along Main Street.
This sounds like an AD to me. Just a few short weeks ago, he and his dad were raving about Tesla superchargers. I’m smelling BS here ( and a sponsor too)….
We invest in Chargepoint and can’t understand why its stock valuation has gone down around 30% in the last quarter, given your glowing endorsement!
If getting 50kw is successful then EA is doing a great job too.
Was at EA this week. Tried 2, the others were full. Best I got was 30kWh. RAN charger down the highway topped out at 213kWh. It’s not the vehicle, it’s the charger.
@@ChucksRover yeah we know.
It’s the successful part EA struggles with. Their equipment is often non functional or you can’t start a charge because of network issues.
Chargepoint’s Stock price is in the crapper.
CHARGE POINT IS THE CLOSEST TO TESLA CHARGING - I love charge point WE NEED MORE
I'm confused, you need that big transformer and the switch gear to power that one single 50kw charger?
Why is ChargePoint selling the lower rated cables? Instead of trying to upsell the cables, those should just be the standard cables.
Because they have sell what site-owners will buy.
@@JorgTheEldersite owners just buy the cheapest thing offered. If they didn’t offer the crappy cables then the site owners wouldn’t buy them.
The issue is the site owners don’t understand and they think they are being upsold.
Recently ran in to a pair of them that were off line and unavailable. Which was really bad as I I waist the middle of no where. Found a level 2 and charged for 2 hours to get 40 miles down the road to the next DC charger. The units that were off line were that way for 2 weeks. I tried calling Customer service, after an hour of music on hold, I gave up. They didn't answer my emails either
Backbone??? Really??? I’ve been driving Teslas for 10 years, and I’ve never used ChargePoint. In fact, I’m not sure if I’ve ever even seen one! There’s a REASON all the other EV makers are adapting the Tesla standard.
You talk about how easy it is to get the Change Point, but I never hear you advising anyone to call when they find any charger, not working.
Only by phone call can chargers get fixed. Even if the repair is to be done by a city or contractor the maker of the charger need v to be called.
In Norway you don't get the government funding if you install only one charger. Two is the minimum. Smart! I hate places with only one charger. No redundancy, and that's not a good situation.
False - Tesla is the backbone of American EV charging. Once they open it up to all the other charging networks will be unable to compete long term.
That’s a ways off imo. Maybe some me pilot locations in the near future but superchargers becoming ubiquitous for charging any ev? Maybe 5+ years.
@@ben3989with almost every automaker moving to NACS, Tesla will be the Standard Oil of charging in two years
Charge Point DC chargers all over in Michigan mitten. They always work! It’s rare when they don’t, although the closest ones to me in Owosso, Michigan are turned off - been this way for weeks. They are the perfect charge speed to have near restaurants, shopping centers, or grocery stores.
I'm just going to stick with Tesla for now. More chargers in better places with extreme reliability.
ChargePoint has a lot of experience, with the best AC charging infrastructure literally everywhere. All they gotta do is upgrade their AC locations to DC (at least every 20 miles)