What You Should Know Before Joining the LDS Church Education System - Marc Oslund
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- In this excerpt from a recent Mormon Stories Podcast interview, former seminary teacher, Marc Oslund, talks about the things he wishes he had known before joining the LDS Church Education System (CES).
This excerpt is from Mormon Stories episode 1425 - “A Mormon Seminary Teacher Loses His Faith - Marc Oslund Pt. 3”
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living in a ces family was a night mare. My parents had a very tough time with it. They could never show any cracks in their marriage for fear of getting fired. We always had to put on our best face. there was intense pressure and fear. to top it off they kept calling us to be missionaries, youth, stake, family and finally I was a full time missionary. Did they actually think we were the perfect mormon family??? feeling any kind of love was extreemly rare. Dad retired after 20 years and divorced soon after. I feel your pain Marc through what my dad experienced. it was brutal at the end. He remainded faithful but I'm waaaaaaay happy to be done with the church. I remember a huge turning point in my life when everything came to a head. for a breif moment I stomped on the gas pedal to crash off the mountain. It was the scariest feeling ever. it was only for a second but life was never the same after that. I am so thankful that I got away.
Wow. Thank you for sharing that, Gordon!
Gordon, do you mind if I ask the cause of your parents' divorce?
Your story reminds me of my oldest sister. She was the most true believing Mormon in my family. She and her hubby had eight kids. He was a 20 year Army officer and was a bishop, stake president, and regional representative back in the '70s and '80s. Their entire life was church, church, church. But 5 of their 8 kids left the church as soon as they turned 18. None of their 5 boys went on missions. My sister died of cancer in 1998.
@@randyjordan5521 not sure, I think they were stuck and finally just done. I dont think there was any infidelity or anything like that. the church was our life and I was the only one of my siblings that left. can't blame everything on the church and am thankful for everything that has brought me to where I am now but it was a tough journey and am so grateful that I'm out and at peace with everything in my life now.
@@gordonzio Kinda funny in my family. Only two of us actually resigned our memberships. I'm the youngest of 12 kids. My oldest brother, 17 years older than I, resigned after marrying a Baptist girl in 1958, when I was a toddler. But it took me 40 more years to learn the truth and resign. Only 3 of my siblings have anything to do with the church anymore, and only about 1/3 of my 65 nieces and nephews are still active to any degree.
@@randyjordan5521 that thars a big family. my mothers side goes back generations and generations in the church. I have a great great great something or other that helped found BYU. 11 uncles and aunts just on my her side and probably as many cousins as you have nieces and nephews. lol. probably all still active. lol. it took me decades to realize how deeply it has effected my life and to get away from it all. only after my fathers death several years ago that I was able to process it all and understand. maybe I'm just a lazy learner. lol
100% Your right. I left the church this year and it was a war zone leaving. I left because I was gaslighted and verbally abused by a priesthood holder. When I said something about it, I was told to get over myself because he was having a bad day.
This is literally how I feel right now in my senior year at a church school.
If you say anything bad about the church, the members of the church will say, well don't leave because your offended. My story is different. The man who gaslighted me and verbally abused me, threaten to stop by my house. My husband had to buy a gun and install a security system in our house. I lost my business and all my friends at the church. No one at the church took my side, they said I was being difficult and I should remember my baptism covenants I made. I'm not going to stay quiet about it anymore. What happened to me happened to another girl at my old stake.
I watched many of your podcast interviews, and must say you are a dedicated soul. And wished there were more like yourself to give some sense of rehabilitation for many going through a very tough transition to a liberating and terrifying reality.
Thank you, Roman!!
@@UnderstandingMormonism John, are you aware of former CES director Ken Clark? ua-cam.com/video/gKt7ozdKeBk/v-deo.html
One of my favorite interviews on Mormon Stories
i was a mormon during my young life , my parents didn't go to any church, in my early 20s i became buddhist, my dad became 7th day adventist in his forties then at one point actually wished me dead for not praying the same way as him, i'm not sure i'll ever get over that
Man this really hits home for me ☹
Great 👍interview
You guys are so right, I never saw it that way before. Thx for a new way of interpreting this reality!
Perhaps there IS at least ONE advantage to being a convert, sans all the DUP pioneer stock family connections.
Another reason I chose returning to the mission field after leaving the faith. I could no longer bear the daily reminders of how I'd been deceived, mingling daily w/ the other zombies living their constricted lives behind the Zion curtain.
Thx for a novel viewpoint.
Yeah, I didn’t realize how narcissistic being in a ‘cult’ was. The control, the gaslighting, the self gaslighting, and yes, depending on the people involved, the abuse. It is an environment that attracts, nourishes, and creates narcissism. The ‘perfect’ a-hole.
Anyone working for CES or at 50 N. Temple must be prepared to check their brain at the door, smile sweetly, and keep their mouth shut at all times
NO MATTER WHAT.
Blessings
If all potential converts watched your podcasts.... the missionaries would soon be out of business. People need to know the truth about mormonism, not the whitewashed and sanitized version pushed by “The Brethren “ It sure would save a lot of buyers remorse. 😩
If I had known the truth before I joined it never would have happened. Lucky for me the members shunned me and I only made friends with one family the whole 12 years. I was shunned because I had never been married or had children. I left after a meeting with the Bishop where he insulted me because I needed help. He wanted a letter of proof that I had a job and wanted my bank records. I refused and walked out. I went back to the Church I had been raised in.
This is how I feel about the church. I don't want to have anything to do with them!
My take after the first two minutes of this video is, maybe he should become a truck driver. That pays better than CES instructor anyway. :-)
The interview provides an interesting and passionate perspective of the sad situation in which Oslund finds himself and the opportunity this affords JD to fuel his discontent by prompting him what to say (3:08 -3:40). Clearly, he is hurting deeply and is having difficulty coming to terms and coping with reality. However, to blame the Church, the CES or individual members and seek justification or release via JD's site is a disingenuous remedy for what ails him. The term "snake oil" comes to mind. The still image at 7:42 would be heart-rending were it not for his accompanying vocal, vitriolic assertfions against members, who he feels have injured him.
As a convert to the Church of some 50 plus years, and having spent several years in CES service, the comparison with my "former life" fills me with gratitude and an appreciation of the wisdom of hindsight.
Man-up Marc, have the courage of your former-held convictions and seek relief and peace through honest reflection, humble soul-searching and, faith in Him who perfectly understands and can and will heal your grief and pain.
Yep, It's true believers like you that have swallowed mormonism hook line and sinker and stay the course that have absolutely no empathy for anything and everyone else. Nothing you say is a surprise. Sure this kind of think could happen in any occupation but the reality that you speak of and the reality that we speak of are not on the same page of the same book or the same genre. I'm glad you were able to escape your former life into the all encompassing control of the church. I'll bet that felt all warm and cuddly. It's not easy living your own life. How bad does a life have to be to just completely give up and into a cult that usurps your identity. take a bit of your own advice about manning up. be happy that you have found your bliss in a narrative that is better than your old one. Stop trolling and judging others. self righteous, judmental, condescending attitudes from mormons isn't a requirement you know. Why are you hear??? btw, honest reflection doesn't exist in mormonism. prescribed scripted reflection does though. nothing you can say as a tbm can ever surprise me. although I was suprised yesterday learning about TK smoothies. lol
So, how do you feel about Joseph Smith plural marrying 11 other men's wives?
Apostate looking for help from the wrong sources...so sad.
Hahaha this is bogus. Many many feel they are trapped? What a scam artist.
Thank you so much! I always enjoy hearing someone’s story ❤️ it’s so inspiring!
Your mission is driving to fail if you focus just on the negative side of the lds church .Be fair The lds church have great and amazing program that really help people.Your program look like an room for depressing people mostly ignorant of the other side of the Church.
Check out the Mormon Stories Podcast! It's filled with both Mormon and Post-Mormon content and people. No one is downing the LDS church in regard to the great acts and hospitality they've shown to both LDS and non-LDS alike. This is about calling out the lies, manipulation, and false teachings of the leaders; in essence, the members are victims to this, hence, the reason why many often leave or are excommunicated. If there are deep, serious issues within ANY congregation, it needs to be addressed. Wishing you well!