My setup all meinl Byzance 14 inch extra dry hi hat 22 inch Byzance vintage pure ride Byzance 20 inch hammered extra thin crash Byzance 18 inch extra dry crash Byzance 16 inch vintage trash crash Byzance 6 inch brilliant splash 18 inch Byzance traditional china
Hey, interested in buying some meinl cymbals (a 20" dual crash ride, a 20" trad medium thin Byzance crash and probably a China) but I have no idea about durability. Have you broke any yet? And if yes how long did they last?
Hey man! First of all, great choices. I've been keen to try the 20" dual crash-ride myself, hopefully I'll get my hands on one someday haha. Anyway, I'd say Meinl cymbals have great durability if you play them right. Obviously many of the Byzance cymbals are quite thin, so if you're a very hard hitter or if you haven't quite honed your technique then you might run into some breakage eventually. I've broken a few over the years, but Meinl's warranty is fantastic - depending on how the cymbal has cracked, you're very likely to be able to get a replacement by contacting the dealer you bought the cymbal from, given it's within 2 years of the original purchase.
I put "opposite" in inverted commas for a reason. Because it's not necessarily opposite, just opposite to the way most people do it. I am actually in the process of learning to play open-handed, but I don't see any similarity with that and setting up rack toms this way. Open-hand frees up your arms and makes certain things less awkward, but it seems like the "opposite" tom thing makes things more awkward.
Yes, and setting your toms up the "opposite way" forces you to cross your hands more than usual. That is not the same as open-handed. It doesn't really matter anyway, never mind!
My guess is that the 12inch tom is the primary high tom that he goes to? So he will only go to the 10inch if he wants a higher sound, kind of like a 4piece kit but with a extra 10inch tom on the right.
Civvix as soon as heard and played 1 i went out on got 2 crashes a ride, and a splash. best money i ever spent. look at some of the best out there.....they're playing meinl....byzance!!!
Meinls make the best cymbals, I agree but I think zildjian and sabian are more popular because they give the sound expected from said cymbal, idk if you get what im trying to say
Nope! I wrote this in the description: "I am not endorsed by Meinl Cymbals, and I am not paid to do any of this. It is 100% my own initiative, simply because I love these cymbals to death and want to share my experience with you all to help you find YOUR sound."
BURNING Note to all u youngsters : Meinl doesn't hammer/lathe out a single cymbal from the Byzance line themselves: they all are manufactured in the Turkish region of Istanbul by master handcraftsmen & artisans. In effect all those cymbals are more like Aegan, Bosphorus, Dyril,Turkish or any real Turkish hand made cymbals that exist . The only credit Meinl has to offer is , they are stamped with a Meinl logo. Most of u do not realize u play on an overpriced "Byzance" that is in fact a Turkish Istanbul region made cymbal with a fucking high marketing pricetag.
Having visited the Meinl factory twice now, I can say you're a bit in the wrong here. True, Meinl don't do any hammering themselves to the Byzance cymbals. However, aside from doing all the R&D work coming up with the different cymbal models, not to mention the business side of things with making them widely available around the world, Meinl actually does a fair bit of finishing work on the Byzance cymbals at their own factory. This includes all the lathing, surface treatment, cleaning, polishes, edge rounding, logo engraving/stamping, and more. To fully discredit them is pretty ignorant. There's a reason Meinl cymbals don't sound just like those other brands you mentioned.
Those 15" hats are NASTY! I've digging the meinls for awhile but that and the 20" thin crash just do it for me...saving dough just for these cymbals...
Probably one of the best cymbal demos, thank you! Been thinking about switching Meinl. I use a mix of sabian ax and hhx. Meinl has done an exceptional job in bringing new flavors to bring new sonic value to the market. Less glassy and shimmery, more raw character. I'm convinced.
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Wow I'm actually amazed at how you remind me of my own style behind the drums. Talking about the grooves not the looks of course. Love the sound and mix too!
My god... that dual crash sounds awesome!!! I am about to Change my cymbal Setup. Used to be a Zildjian guy but Meinl has done great work in the past years. Can't wait to get my hands on some Meinl Stuff!!! By the way you are awesome Siros. Great Drummer and teacher. Please keep doing your great work. Hope you'll get endorsed by Meinl soon ;)
Yea Zildjian was fine in highschool. But I went with Sabian for professional use because of the darker tones. BUT I do like Meinl in what they are accomplishing in offering just as much variety as Sabian come 2016. Zildjian and Paiste have always been lacking with diversity. But I would be fine with a Meinl or Sabian endorsement, great companies.
I actually used sabians for my first high end cymbal set, it was some hhx and I really loved the hats and the 21" groove ride. I recently made the switch to some meinl Byzance and a mix of zildjian k's and also love them, I'm starting to love meinl
So far, first 3, no good. China with holes, okay. 2nd hihats okay.4 cymbal sounds weak.5 cymbal okay, but weak. Last trash splash okay. I like meinl, but not these.
I can't stand that damn trash crash used as a ride cymbal. It's all preference so it's all subjective but that trash crash sounds beautiful as a crash but the bell is way too washy and the fact you have to put a giant o ring on it says it all. Why not just use a normal ride with a lighter weight if you like that washy sound with a washy bell but would have a better bell overal and better stick definition cause u are trying to muffle and kill some sustain on that trash crash anyways.
cymbals don't make a drummer. but I think meinl is so popular now a days because they have so many different series with such a unique range of sounds. not to mention they are all great quality. my 20" Zildjian dark thin crash is my favourite cymbal, but some of these dark series and traditional series cymbals are amazing
Meinl and Sabian seem to be the best for serious drummers. Zildjian seems to me like cymbals for average rock drummers and Paiste is for shitty metal. That's just how I picture it in my head anyway - Garstka style = meinl, Portnoy style = Sabian, Cooperdrummer style = Zildjian, Joey Jordison style = Paiste
ThunderHawk606 Buddy Rich played a Paiste 402 ride, and that was while he was endorsed by Zildjian. Zildjian used to do some really great cymbals, and some of the better ones still sound amazing, it's just that anyone not endorsed by them needs to pay a fortune to get there hands on one and mienl and sabian are just better value.
I don't mean or want to sound like a hater, but the sound of those symbols as well as the drums all sound horrible to me. They sound like cheap crap. No tone at all. Thanks for posting anyway.
Meinl is awesome at doing trash cymbals that sound like crap :D people say they are complex and modern, but its like every cymbal they go wrong with in the factory like overhammering, becomes something weird (some would say artsy) like these first hi-hats in the video that are the most unmusical hats i've ever heard xD im hating too much Edit: they've got some lovely cymbals anyways
I'm in love with your 22 trash crash.
That makes two of us, haha!
My setup all meinl
Byzance 14 inch extra dry hi hat
22 inch Byzance vintage pure ride
Byzance 20 inch hammered extra thin crash
Byzance 18 inch extra dry crash
Byzance 16 inch vintage trash crash
Byzance 6 inch brilliant splash
18 inch Byzance traditional china
thank you man, cool!
Were you playing a Meshuggah song on that Custom Trash China? Damn that sounded so familiar
I knew you'd spot it... now which song was it?
Sounds a lot like Stengah? Hahaha
+DemiUrge You got it!
+SirosVaziriDrums Is it Spasm?
+EthT That song is sick, but this is the main groove from Stengah!
The 22” is interesting
i also have an 18" dual crash :D
Hey, interested in buying some meinl cymbals (a 20" dual crash ride, a 20" trad medium thin Byzance crash and probably a China) but I have no idea about durability. Have you broke any yet? And if yes how long did they last?
Hey man! First of all, great choices. I've been keen to try the 20" dual crash-ride myself, hopefully I'll get my hands on one someday haha. Anyway, I'd say Meinl cymbals have great durability if you play them right. Obviously many of the Byzance cymbals are quite thin, so if you're a very hard hitter or if you haven't quite honed your technique then you might run into some breakage eventually. I've broken a few over the years, but Meinl's warranty is fantastic - depending on how the cymbal has cracked, you're very likely to be able to get a replacement by contacting the dealer you bought the cymbal from, given it's within 2 years of the original purchase.
kick drum and snare mic ?
GatoPaint Audix i5 mics top and bottom on the snare, and a Audix D6 on the bass drum.
Hey, what's the reason for having your rack toms the "opposite" way round? I'm just curious as I see a few drummers setting up like that.
Cheers!
Why it Has to be the ""opposite" way"? Same reason why some players play HI Hats with their left hand. Have you ever tried it?
I put "opposite" in inverted commas for a reason. Because it's not necessarily opposite, just opposite to the way most people do it.
I am actually in the process of learning to play open-handed, but I don't see any similarity with that and setting up rack toms this way. Open-hand frees up your arms and makes certain things less awkward, but it seems like the "opposite" tom thing makes things more awkward.
The similarity is exactly the same as your way to described opposite. Most drummers play cross handed.
Yes, and setting your toms up the "opposite way" forces you to cross your hands more than usual. That is not the same as open-handed. It doesn't really matter anyway, never mind!
My guess is that the 12inch tom is the primary high tom that he goes to? So he will only go to the 10inch if he wants a higher sound, kind of like a 4piece kit but with a extra 10inch tom on the right.
I don't understand why people don't talk about meinl cymbals more often? They sound so much better than anything else its not even funny
Civvix as soon as heard and played 1 i went out on got 2 crashes a ride, and a splash. best money i ever spent. look at some of the best out there.....they're playing meinl....byzance!!!
Meinls make the best cymbals, I agree but I think zildjian and sabian are more popular because they give the sound expected from said cymbal, idk if you get what im trying to say
Are you sponsored?
Nope! I wrote this in the description:
"I am not endorsed by Meinl Cymbals, and I am not paid to do any of this. It is 100% my own initiative, simply because I love these cymbals to death and want to share my experience with you all to help you find YOUR sound."
BURNING Note to all u youngsters : Meinl doesn't hammer/lathe out a single cymbal from the Byzance line themselves: they all are manufactured in the Turkish region of Istanbul by master handcraftsmen & artisans. In effect all those cymbals are more like Aegan, Bosphorus, Dyril,Turkish or any real Turkish hand made cymbals that exist . The only credit Meinl has to offer is , they are stamped with a Meinl logo. Most of u do not realize u play on an overpriced "Byzance" that is in fact a Turkish Istanbul region made cymbal with a fucking high marketing pricetag.
Having visited the Meinl factory twice now, I can say you're a bit in the wrong here. True, Meinl don't do any hammering themselves to the Byzance cymbals. However, aside from doing all the R&D work coming up with the different cymbal models, not to mention the business side of things with making them widely available around the world, Meinl actually does a fair bit of finishing work on the Byzance cymbals at their own factory. This includes all the lathing, surface treatment, cleaning, polishes, edge rounding, logo engraving/stamping, and more. To fully discredit them is pretty ignorant. There's a reason Meinl cymbals don't sound just like those other brands you mentioned.
Those 15" hats are NASTY! I've digging the meinls for awhile but that and the 20" thin crash just do it for me...saving dough just for these cymbals...
Probably one of the best cymbal demos, thank you! Been thinking about switching Meinl. I use a mix of sabian ax and hhx. Meinl has done an exceptional job in bringing new flavors to bring new sonic value to the market. Less glassy and shimmery, more raw character. I'm convinced.
Hey man, totally unrelated question, but how do you get your hair like that?
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I literally just watched your fill on insta then looked up meinl cymbals and u popped up again😂😂😂😂
Wow I'm actually amazed at how you remind me of my own style behind the drums. Talking about the grooves not the looks of course. Love the sound and mix too!
My god... that dual crash sounds awesome!!! I am about to Change my cymbal Setup. Used to be a Zildjian guy but Meinl has done great work in the past years. Can't wait to get my hands on some Meinl Stuff!!!
By the way you are awesome Siros. Great Drummer and teacher. Please keep doing your great work. Hope you'll get endorsed by Meinl soon ;)
Looks like he did it!
Yea Zildjian was fine in highschool. But I went with Sabian for professional use because of the darker tones. BUT I do like Meinl in what they are accomplishing in offering just as much variety as Sabian come 2016. Zildjian and Paiste have always been lacking with diversity. But I would be fine with a Meinl or Sabian endorsement, great companies.
I actually used sabians for my first high end cymbal set, it was some hhx and I really loved the hats and the 21" groove ride. I recently made the switch to some meinl Byzance and a mix of zildjian k's and also love them, I'm starting to love meinl
Great ghosting!
I'm yet to hear a bad sounding meinl cymbal
probably because you havent heard them in person lol
JBHviews oh the hilarious reactions you're gonna have when you take cymbals into the studio.
JBHviews Matter of opinion, but there's a reason why Meinl is so successful and used by so many professional drummers.
Luke Walker _Litsen to a Meinl Byzance medium crash 19" , it sounds brilliant._
Luke Walker try the hcs line.... horrible
Hey man SUPER GREAT VIDEO! Quick question for you, what snare head are you using?! It sounds so damn good holy crap
Nice cymbals, excellent playing.
Never cared for the Meinl Generation X cymbal line
20" hammered crash my next cymbal
Your ride is amazing!
So far, first 3, no good. China with holes, okay. 2nd hihats okay.4 cymbal sounds weak.5 cymbal okay, but weak. Last trash splash okay. I like meinl, but not these.
This is why I chose Meinl instead of Zildijan.
What if the tip of the stick comes down on one of the holes in the cymbal...
My favorite was the 20”hammered crash
What mics are you using?
Those high hats are just too dry
That snare though.
I can't stand that damn trash crash used as a ride cymbal. It's all preference so it's all subjective but that trash crash sounds beautiful as a crash but the bell is way too washy and the fact you have to put a giant o ring on it says it all. Why not just use a normal ride with a lighter weight if you like that washy sound with a washy bell but would have a better bell overal and better stick definition cause u are trying to muffle and kill some sustain on that trash crash anyways.
Andy Ham agreed
Andy Ham it sounded pretty good being crashed, but as a ride cymbal, that’s not it’s main purpose
all the good drummers play meinl... all the shitty drummers on youtube play zildian.... *cough cough* *coop3rdrumm3r*
cymbals don't make a drummer. but I think meinl is so popular now a days because they have so many different series with such a unique range of sounds. not to mention they are all great quality. my 20" Zildjian dark thin crash is my favourite cymbal, but some of these dark series and traditional series cymbals are amazing
Meinl and Sabian seem to be the best for serious drummers. Zildjian seems to me like cymbals for average rock drummers and Paiste is for shitty metal.
That's just how I picture it in my head anyway - Garstka style = meinl, Portnoy style = Sabian, Cooperdrummer style = Zildjian, Joey Jordison style = Paiste
ThunderHawk606 Buddy Rich played a Paiste 402 ride, and that was while he was endorsed by Zildjian. Zildjian used to do some really great cymbals, and some of the better ones still sound amazing, it's just that anyone not endorsed by them needs to pay a fortune to get there hands on one and mienl and sabian are just better value.
+Miles Farnan I agree they have good cymbals and it's not entirely how I described it
+Thunderhawk606 so you mean to say gavin harrison is an average rock drummer?
I don't mean or want to sound like a hater, but the sound of those symbols as well as the drums all sound horrible to me. They sound like cheap crap. No tone at all. Thanks for posting anyway.
ZadTrax Productions yeah the people in these comments praise meinl so much, and they’re pretty good, but I prefer mist zildjian cymbals to these
I like the sound of these, but soultone will always be my sound
Meinl is awesome at doing trash cymbals that sound like crap :D people say they are complex and modern, but its like every cymbal they go wrong with in the factory like overhammering, becomes something weird (some would say artsy) like these first hi-hats in the video that are the most unmusical hats i've ever heard xD im hating too much
Edit: they've got some lovely cymbals anyways