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Interesting talk. However when the question of the Chola’s religion came up the hesitancy to say it was from Vedam, Veda or Sanatana Dharma which was practiced throughout Bharat is an insult to the Cholas. Also when commenting on the life of the average person during the early rule of these Kingdoms the pure speculation that people were not taken care off is revealing of the conscious or subconscious bias’s Sir has. A Raja’s prime duty per Sanatana Dharma is his people. Maybe it is the long Marxists influence in the South, which wanted to destroy native faith and governance systems over many decades, but I got the impression at times from various comments Sir made that he has some disdain for the Hindu cultural and religious heritage of the South. Or it could be just a result of long exposure to incorrect narratives that Sir is unknowingly expressing himself in such ways. Other than that interesting talk
I am from South India. Please bring on G.Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola Dynasties and Kudavayil Balasubramanian - former curator and publication manager at Saraswathi Mahal Library. These people are getting old, so kindly call them soon on your show. People like these are a body of knowledge, dedicated their whole life in R&D.. it's my humble request
Yeah I totally agree. Beer biceps team please bring these two legends Deivanayagam sir and Balasubramanian sir to this show and record their vast knowledge about cholas history.
Raja Raja Chola is famous not only for his Empire expansion, he is a very knowledgeable, with creative problem-solving skills and strategic vision, a very good administrator
Just saw a video how the cholas built dams strategically to split the Cauvery River into many branches and then spread it out over several hundred Sq kms. That's some terraforming knowledge
Did you see the condition of his samadhi sthal, is that how you celebrate your greatest Raja? Don't you guys feel ashamed of yourself Calling him your raja
I am from Thanjavur and even today there are evidences left by the Cholas Kallani Dam was built by Karikala Cholan two thousand years ago on the Cauvery River and it is still in use today, it is the pride of our India. If you want information about this, it is now available in Thanjavur
Exactly... As a person interest in history i could tell more facts than him... Pls bring someone more knowledgeable like MANNAR MANNAN or Prof. Ko. DEIVANAYAGAM to the show pls
@@secularmama it was in the past and after Sanskrit came then comes other south Indian languages..... People will understand this when they study how south Indian languages came and why they have similar words with tamil 👌😉
Fun fact the Valyrian Steel from Game of Thrones which is originally inspired from a real life Steel known as the damascus steel ( it had nothing to do with Damascus Syria except for being exported from there to rome) is an invention of the Tamils. The Chera kindgom of karur!
I'm a teen from madurai,Tamilnadu I love that you made this podcast but still our great history is not fully justified here.. You could interview another person who has a wholesome wisdom about our Tamil history❤
The guest is peddling biased superficial ideas. Better to listen to or read Kudavayil Balasubramaniam, Arumai Nayagam who did archaeological works not only in TN but also in Italy, Greece and Far Eastern countries and Mannar Mannan. Lot of old Tamil literature in Pathu Paaatu, Ettu Thogai and Pathinen Keezh Kanakku has historical references. I do not think Raghavan Srinivasan dwelled into any of them.
Hi Ranveer - this is Senthil from Chennai. I am one a great fan of your podcast and shows. My humble request is to have to have an expert like Devianayagam sir and Manar Mannan who are the real scholars who can throw light on real facts and real history oh cholas, cheras, Pandyas and pallavas. With due respect I wanted to say that there is no justice done here in this show
Hey Ranveer! Who told people from Tamilnadu don't watch your show? I am from Tamilnadu living in Bangalore, haven't missed any of your podcast, and same is the case with most of my friends, a small request to add English Subtitles to your Hindi podcast, we feel we're missing out to lot of quality content just because of the language barrier. And the quality of content is insanely getting better ever show, keep going✌
To know more and deep about Cholas and other dynasties - please bring Prof. Deivanayakam ....he and his father are researcher, archeologist and he can talk english and bring cholas period to present in narrative...
As a Tamilan i would say one thing that you took wrong person to tell about our history. I appreciate the interest of Ranveer but i suggest to bring someone best person to know even more. There are lot to know
According to him 3 kings are tribal kingdom untill 6th century. So one of the oldest dam which is still functionel was built in 2 century by a chola king Karikalan, Meenakshi Amman temple built by Padiyas in 1800 years ago, tamil poets were regrouped under an assembly called Sangam. Do you think these are tribal kingdoms???
My grandmother knows everything he said and she could have said it in a better way too. Anyway I am a teen from Tamilnadu who really love the work ur doing. Thanks.
You should have brought - Professor G Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola history and a well-known scholar of temple architecture . Orisa balu and prof deivanayagam are the write person to tell chola history bro . Orisa balu is no more 😢 but bring Prof G deivanayagam
There are so many Tamil historians who knows the length and depth of the history.. ranveer, please do your research before getting these people into the show when talking about Tamil Nadu or for that matter South Indian History.. you had a very bad choice with Keerthi and this episode ..
the guest is not well versed.feels like he has an agenda not to give the tamil emperors the due credit they deserve he casually says that the common men would have most probably lived under hardships and says tamil kings lived life drinking expensive wine,the entire chola period is recorded as a golden period for people,tamil kings wore expensive jewellery yes but did not induldge in debauchery,they were deeply spiritual and pious thus the creation of magnificent shiva temples,i guess the guest is a wolf under sheep's clothing,probably because of his caste affliation,god knows but what i truly understand is that he is deliberately trying to tarnish the glorious tamil history
Moreover it he was jumping between topics without any common thread. Also, how could he say about Southeast Asia "they had some kingdoms" or something like that, when the Southeast Asian direction was the most important for the Cholas.
I don't know much about the history or not an expert, but I too felt he was not giving any credit to anything the emperors were capable of - hearing from one another historian will help validate his views
Ragaven simply forgot the kallanai,which was build 2000 years ago across Kaveri river to expand agriculture Lands. This dam is still in use. This canning man tells cholas came from telungu county. Cholas are in existence over sangam period This ragaven just changing history may be with some motive. Rajendera chola is the most powerful among all cholas, he who led northern expedition to Ganges and defeated The pale emperor of West Bengal and then these days miyanmar in the north and then south east Asia expedition.
As an Indian from South..i would request someone else more knowledgeable to talk about the Cholas. Archeologist Nagaswamy sir is the best to talk about these topics. A humble request!
👿👿👿 This raghavan is a Telugu person just like DMK first family and is trying to putdown Tamil History. Its our true TAMILIANS fate we have to hear this. Mark my words REAL TAMIL will uprise and we will showcase our true history soon. These STOOGES will be put in their place. 👿👿👿
Seriously caste system???? There was no caste system during the 3kings rule!! Please don’t misinterpret the history. Also pandyas ruled longer than cholas.
@@kishorekingsteel7624 it doesn't mean that were are you from ... Yes, the Pandyas were a Brahmin dynasty in South India: Origin The Pandya surname comes from the Sanskrit word paṇḍe, which means "knowledgeable learned". History The Pandyas were one of the three great kingdoms of Tamilakam, along with the Cholas and the Cheras. The Pandyas initially practiced Jainism, but later became Hindus, specifically Shaivas. Land distribution During the Pandya dynasty, land was assigned to different groups, including Brahmins, ironsmiths, and carpenters. Trade The Pandyas had trade relations with many countries in Asia, including Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia, and China. Art and literature The Pandyas were patrons of art and literature, and built many temples and palace
@@mohanavamsiethamsetti one among the powerful dynasties i think there are mughals who were also powerful its not about that.. this a$$hole in the name guest is lying that s my problem
I agree. This guy just did not want to g8ve enough credit for the empire. He didn't talk about the temple the inscriptions how much they respected everyone who involved in building temple.
I am not a history student but still I can tell about Tamilnadu history more than him. He is telling only wine was imported from Rome. Glass, Gold were the main items. Exports include spices, animals like tiger, elephant, leopard ete, muslin, germs.The Greek and Arabic names for rice (Oryza and urz), ginger(Gingibar and zanjabil) and cinnamon (Karpion and quarfa) are almost identical with their Tamil names, arisi, inchiver and karuva.When Pallava were ruling , Pandiyas also were ruling in the south. Only Cholas were vessels of Kanchipuram. During Gupta period , Samudra Gupta came upto Kanchi when early Pallava king Vishnugopa was ruling..
Main problem of this podcast is not that he is not knowing the details but the modulation and way of speaking, basically he doesn't want any greatness to be given to Tamil Nadu and the way of his speech confirms that.
As a historian you need to be as unbiased as possible. You an only talk about the details with specifics uncovered from historical artifacts and should not speculate.
Native from Andhra .....Born and brought up entirely in Chattisgarh and now working in Tamil Nadu . I love Indian heritage. We should cherish the good things from our history. These podcasts are really informative and I love listening to it to before sleep and the quality of content has improved so much . Kudos to the team
48:50 Saivam is the Religion followed by Cholas, every town in tamilnadu has round 4-5 temple and atleast one temple will be biggest in size... Tamilnadu is the place where most hindu temples were built in india ... could be around 1,00,000
The name Ragavan Srinivasan is enough 😮 who he is to talk about Tamils. You have to conversate with Dr.Deivanayagam or Orissa Balu ( Now he is no more) to know more about Chola,Chera and Pandiyas.
As Tamils, we are very proud of our History and the impact the kingdoms from this part of the world had on the larger world. These kings and kingdoms are household topics in families even today where history is verbally passed on. Very glad rest of Bharath is now getting to know this ❤
But why are Tamilians converting to Christianity so rapidly even knowing what their ancestors like Cholas did and achieved plus A lot of DMK members were offended by the Ponniyin Selvan movie which was again about Chola ???
@@siddyray3361 brother the Christian missionaries are doing these things not only in Tamil Nadu they're doing this all over India they are using the poverty of those people and converting them Tamil Nadu is the land of Hindus the majority of the people are serious followers of Hindu gods the DMK party is anti-bramins party they calling them self as an anti-caste party or anti-Brahmanism party but the truth is they don't like brahmins superiority but they like to stamp Dalits by the name of caste the story starts from justices party to DK and then to DMK and then to AIADMK the DMK and aiadmk are political parties were DMK is a strict anti-brahmins party and always scolds gods that's why AIADMK has a lot of vote percentage than DMK if have to read a lot to know more about Tamil Nadu and about those so-called dravida parties i can't summarise 70 years history here just start from justices party and then EV Ramasamy and then DK and then AIADMK if you read all those history then you will get answer about your questions why they got offended by PS movie but i can say you that this is last tenure for DMK in tamil nadu they will not rule again for atleast 15 years
@@NaveenRock62see! Dravidianism victimhood is backfiring you !! Even though Bihar is considered no.1 in caste discrimination but every hindu there is proud of hindu identity, but TN?? I didn't expected it. Vote DMK eradicate Sanatan dharm lol Tamils are responsible! In this Sense biharis are far better
Cholas became so rich because of their dominance of Indian Ocean, Naval Fleet, Army, Food Technology, Banking, Construction Technology, Metallurgy, import and export, etc., Above all their Literature and Knowledge that’s what made them rich.
In my view the main reason for the ancient Tamilagam being so rich is because of its position in the Indian Ocean region. Many of the Transit ports of the Ancient world, especially the ones between Greece and China were situated in the Tamil regions of South India. There are historical records and Artifacts which confirm the fact that Foreigners were a common site back then and there are enough archeological evidence of Greek colonies in various parts of Tamilnadu (Probably created by the Greek Sea farers and traders of that time). So it is Trade that enriched the region in addition to being an agrarian society. There is an ancient saying in tamil 'Thiraikadal odi Thiraviyam thedu' which translates to 'Surf the seas to earn the fruit called wealth' which aptly reflects the outlook of the Tamil Society. Even the Chola conquest of Srivijaya was due to the fact that the king of Srivijaya was disgruntled by the Cholas controlling the trade and taking away the earnings that could otherwise come to his kingdom. He therefore created frequent disturbances to the Tamil Merchant groups and their Ships carrying valuables to China and Vice versa! The gentle man here missed this crucial part.
Pandyas organized three Tamil literary academies(sangams) to develop Tamil language. They ruled south of tamilnadu till a region called Kumari continent mentioned in tholkappiyam which is a Tamil grammar developed around 500BC. First 2 sangam happened these regions. After it is been destroyed by tsunami these regions are under sea. Then they shifted capital to Madurai which is currently there. On there 3rd sangam happened. But Pandyas did not do much inscriptions, their story we can come to know by poems from sangam age. Pandyas ruled more time than Cholas
Exactly .. Nailed it .. And he was saying there is no records for sangam literature 1 &2 . what is this .. He would have bring some other scholar to his podcast
I appreciate ranveer for this podcast 🎉, but as a tamilan I felt that our history could have been discussed more precisely. Also Raghavan srinivasan sir is good thought it could be better. I will suggest 2 UA-cam channels as they explain alot after lots of research 1. Sunday distrubance 2. Deep talks tamil Its would be good if they have a podcast with them 😊 Looking forward for more of you're podcast 🫂
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Karnataka history is very different from the rest of the South Indian states... Please make a podcast on Karnata empires like Rastrakutas, chalukyas, Yadavas, Gangas, vijayanagara empire... Many dynasties and empires from Karnataka have ruled the northern and western part of indian states from gujrat to bengal...
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627 I think Sattvavahanas defeated Pallavas yes, but neither the Chalukyas nor the Rastrakuttas defeated Cholas, they won wars, both sides lost territory to each other different times, but until the raise of late Pandiyas I think with help of Hoysalas (who very close relatives of Cholas) and Srilankans defeated Cholas in 13'th century, before that no one defeated Cholas.
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627Yes we did, Vikramaditya 2nd defeated Pallavas so badly that Cholas who were feudatories of Pallavas defeated Pallavas and came to main play. We defeated Cholas many times - Look at the Rashtrakutas war at Takkolam , the cholas couldn't forget the humiliation they faced for centuries after this. And why do you think Rajendra Chola went to Ganga got the title Gangaikonda Chola by travelling over coastal side in the east ?? Because we Karnatas ( Chalukyan empire) was there spread across till Bihar.
Make podcast about bhakti movement which started from Tamilnadu and spread to entire Indian subcontinent & made changes in the entire Indian culture Great tamil bhakti classical like thevaram ,thiruvasagam, Divya prabhandam
Too much information was missing!! FYI: Cholas were always shinavas, who always worshipped Lord Shiva!! But also gave space to people to worship Vishnu and regional gods and goddesses! Cholas are the first emperor to have warship in the history and they were so furious in battles and use all strategies which one cannot imagine! Rajendran chola was badass among all !!
@@vineekmarhatta7586May be he is expecting commercial Tamil movie hype about Cholas😂😂. I think he fairly covered key aspects. Barring raja raja Chola, Rajendra Chola even tamilains won't talk much about others. This speaker touched upon these emperors. Also he stated fact that longest survived empire.
It's 1:11 am Indonesia time. I'm enjoying this episode. Really amazing guests on your show. I can sleep listening to these History talks (it's a compliment) & sometimes lose sleep completely (it's a compliment)
Looks like Raghavan sir, read 1980 6th grade history book and came for the podcast .. people dont realise that this is the age of data and information, and need clear and consise details on topics being discussed.
You are asking the wrong guy about Tamil Kingdoms. He did not even talk 5% of the history. I can see him stammering and biased. Please choose proper Tamil historians next time if you want to talk about Tamil history.
I am a history student and there were so many good kingdoms in Indian history who were great but in personal I just love chola kingdom .....thanks for giving us this podcast ❤❤❤❤
The origins of Chola kings of Tamil lands mentioned in the copper plates unearthed in a place called Thiruvalangadu about 100 years ago gives common ancestry to Cholas with Ikshvahus until the time Mandhaata. After Mandhaata there was a division. In the Ikshvaku dynasty, only the eldest son ascended the throne. The other children of the king had ruled other parts or had founded their own dynasties. King Sibi had come in the lineage of siblings. In Sibi’s lineage, king Cholavarman came who founded the Chola kingdom. This information is found in the copper plates. A famous Vedic king was associated with Swat region. He was none other than King Sibi (Sivi) who offered his flesh to a hawk to save a pigeon. In his book, ‘Ancient Geography of India’, Cunningham quotes Hwen Thsang that “the legend of ‘the hawk and the pigeon’ in which Buddha, to save a pigeon tears his own flesh and offers to hawk” occurred in the region of Swat. He also quotes Fa-Hian as saying “that Buddha was then a king named Shi-pi-ka or Sivika”. The name, Bodhibhavana during Ramayana times reinforces the presence of ascetics and others immersed in Knowledge and salvation in this region of Swat. Sibi was originally a king of Vedic culture, born to Madhavi, the daughter of King Yayati. His father was Usinara. In an amazing correlation, Swat River that starts at Kalam is joined by two rivers one of them known by name ‘Ushu’! The phonetic similarity with Usinara cannot be ignored. Mahabharata recounts this legend of King Sibi at many places (MB:3:196, 3;207, 13:32, 13:67 &14:90). At one place he is said to be the king of Kasi (Mahabharata 13-32). But as with siblings and cousins, Sibi must have sought a place for himself away from ancestral roots and had chosen the region at the commencement of Swat, then known as Ikshumati! His descendants occupied the entire region of River Sindhu in due course taking up various names as Sivi, Saibya, Sauvira and so on. The lesser known name is ‘Sembiya’ which the Cholas of Tamil lands held for themselves. It is from the genealogy of Cholas, we come to know that Sibi was an ancestor of Rama! Sibi as ancestor of Rama and Cholas. The genealogy of Cholas is found in the copper plates of Thiruvalangadu. It traces the origin of Cholas from the Solar dynasty of the Ikshvakus and continued with the same names of Rama’s genealogy till Mandhata. After Mandhata a divergence comes. In Rama’s genealogy, Susandhi takes over the reign from him. (Valmiki Ramayana 1.70.26). In Chola’s genealogy, Muchukunda’s name appears after Mandhata and continues with Vallabha, Prithulaksha and others till Bharata. Cholavarma, one of the sons of Bharata founded the Chola race in the Chola country. Only the eldest son came to the Ikshvaku throne. This explains why the genealogy diverged after Mandhata. Sibi came in the lineage of Muchukunda, the sibling to the king of Ayodhya. The Cholas were proud of their lineage from Sibi and called themselves as ‘Sembiyan’ - a derivative from Sibi. This was mentioned at several places in Sangam literature and to name a few in Puram 37 and 39. The information not known to outside world is thatRama also was considered as an ancestor of the Cholas. Though there is no direct mention of the name as Rama (so also with Sibi, as that name was never mentioned in the verses but only through an allusion to the legend of hawk and the pigeon), the reference to him is found mentioned along with Sibi. Rama’s name was indicated by the reference to the destruction of Ravana’s city, signified as “thoongeyil” - the fortress that was hanging from the sky - a reference to its location on a mountain touching the clouds. It appeared as though Ravana’s city was hanging down from the clouds. Allusion to Rama as the destroyer of “thoongeyil” is mentioned inPurananuru - 39, Siripaanaattru-padai - 79-82, Pazhamozhi - 49, Silappadhikaram - 29-16-4/5, Manimegalai - 1-4, Kalingatthu-p-paraNi - Raja - 17, Raja raja Chozhan vula - 13, Vikrama Chozhan vula 8-9. With the Tamil chronicles establishing Rama along with Sibi in the same lineage, the verse in Ramayana on ancestors of Rama in the city watered by river Ikshumati could only be an allusion to Sibi.
Copper plate written in two langauge tamil and sanskrit. Tamil version is 30 years older than sanskrit. Tamil version didnt had genealogy, about full of document regarding temple and lake repair, donations and legal gaurdians. Sanskrit mythology part added by brahminsn cholas themselve not aware of it.probably manuplation.
@@skyquestmani According to Purāṇas and Tamil sources, Chola was a brother of Pāndya. Evidently, ancient Cholas were the descendants of the Puru or Chandra dynasty. Later, the Chola dynasty of Tamil Nadu had been mixed up with the Ikśvāku kings of Andhra. Thus, many Telugu Chola lineages (Velanati, Renati, Pottapi, Mudigonda and more) came into existence. This may be the reason why the later Cholas claim their origin from Sūrya Vaṁśa. The Charala plates and Kanyakumari inscription of Vira Rajendra Chola give the following chronological list from Brahma to Vijayālaya: 1. Brahma 19. Chola 2. Marīchi 20. Rājakesari 3. Kaśyapa 21. Parakesari 4. Vivasvān 22. Mrityujit 5. Ikśvāku 23. Vīrasena 6. Vikukśi 24. Chitra 7. Purañjaya 25. Puṣpaketu 8. Kakustha 26. Ketumāla 9. Prithu 27. Samudrajit 10. Kuvalāśva 28. Pañchapa 11. Māndhātā 29. Nrimrida 12. Muchukunda 30. Manoratha 13. Hariśchandra 31. Perunatkilli 14. Sagara 32. Karikāla 15. Bhagīratha 33. Vallabha 16. Rituparṇa 34. Jagadekamalla 17. Dilīpa 35. Vyālabhayankara 18. Rāma, Lakśmaṇa, Bharata, Śatrughna 36. Vijayālaya, the founder of later Chola dynasty
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 these wer in found in later chola sanskrit inscription. Not in early cholas or sangam literture. None of chola king name in sangam literture wer sanskrit. Renadu chola claim the descended from karikala chola. Indeed chola wer pushed to andhra when kalabirar in power, and also cholas wer supporting kalinga branch of lanka while pandiyas supporting aryan branch in srilanka. Cholas itself retroflex sound unique to tamil.
@@skyquestmani The Chronology of Cholas According to Manimekhalai and Tamil legends, Kāveri River was released from his water vessel (Kamandal) by Rishi Agastya in response to the prayer of Chola King Kantan, or Kantaman. Kalingattuparani and Vikramacholan Ula indicate that King Kantan was the earliest known king of Cholas and a contemporary of Rishi Agastya and Paraśurāma. He was also a contemporary of King Tondaiman. The legends of Vada Thirumullaivayil indicate that King Tondaiman was a junior contemporary of Śiva and Murugan. King Kantan gave his kingdom to his illegitimate son, Kakandan, in order to escape from Paraśurāma. Kakandan ruled from the city of Champā, which came to be known as Kākandi, Puhar and Kaveripattanam. Sangam literature refers to another Chola king, Tungeyilerinda Todittot Sembian, a descendant of Śivi, who destroyed the forts of Asuras. He started the celebration of Indra festival for twenty-eight days at the instance of Rishi Agastya (a descendant of Agastya). The Rāmāyaṇa refers to the kingdom of Cholas. Therefore, it is chronologically absurd to establish King Chola as a descendant of Sri Rāma. Seemingly, the Chandra Vaṁśa of the Cholas and the Sūrya Vaṁśa of the descendants of King Aśmaka or King Danḍaka were mixed up after the Rāmāyaṇa era. Traditionally, the Cholas had three surnames: Killi, Valavan and Sembian. According to Vīracholīyam, Sembian means a descendant of King Śivi. Probably, Sembians or descendants of Śivi also settled in Tamil Nadu and became a lineage of Cholas, being Chandra Vaṁśis. Ancient Tamil sources mention the names of 122 Chola kings who reigned around 5000-1020 BCE. Before the rise of Vijayālaya (150-180 CE), the lineage of Muttarayar ruled in Tanjavur. The city of Tanjavur was the capital of Muttarayar kings. The name of Tanjavur city is derived from the name of Tananjaya (Dhanañjaya or Arjuna). It is traditionally believed that Muttarayars came from North. Seemingly, Sūrya Vaṁśi Cholas of Andhra Pradesh, known as Muttarayar, occupied the Chola Kingdom around 600-500 BCE as allies of the Pallavas. Vijayālaya, a descendant of another branch of Cholas, conquered the Chola Kingdom from Elango Muttarayar, the last king of the Muttarayar dynasty.
Raja Raja was not just a conqueror,He was into advance agriculture,water management,funds management, architecture women wrre involved in politics,he tried to include all the religions like Budhism,built temples etc.He was a good ruler,ardent shiva devotee and a lot more
Netflix should stream a documentary on Chandragupta, Ashoka, Samudragupta, Rajaraja Chola, Pulakeshin 2, Amogvarsha just like they did with Oda Nobunaga
Divide hindus into vaishnavas, shaivas, and shaktas, but call Buddhists, jains as religions but call hindus cults and call the cholas seculars... clearly he's influenced by left historians writing the tamil history books... call a real historian/archeologist ranveer...
What about the great Adi Shankaracharya...he was a Vedantic scholar of the highest order? This fellow is hardly a historian and has gotten some key facts wrong. Please invite a true and knowledgeable scholar on the subject of South Indian history which remains largely unknown to us northerners. It was never taught to in school. Every Indian must know the importance of these ancient times that are the very foundation of who we are - deeply rooted in a common culture. This will have a unifying effect on our younger generations so that we can remain one indivisible and cohesive nation - despite our regional differences - never to be overrun by outsiders ever again. Jai Bharath!
Raja Raja Chola respected all religions but spread shaivsim. He did it to win the cooperation of the people due to the bigger size of his empire. Hinduism is a name given by an English idiot which is now turned by the politicians as an identity. Go preserve your Mother tongue and its own culture rather than calling age-old religions a part of the newly born term Hindu. Praying lord Shiva and Rama need not be limited to a single form. If it is limited then understand that there is a political cause behind this. Just because BJP wants it to be a single entity followers of lord shiva need not be forced to accept the term Hinduism. There is a difference between practicing Hindus and political Hindus. BJP is just a mere political Hindu. The people of India are the real Hindus.
Hi Ranveer, i'm a diaspora Tamil from Malaysia and a fan of your channel. It helps me tap into the current Indian zeitgeist. Of course the history of the Cholas is much much bigger and more complex than can be covered within a podcast like this. But i am glad there is enough interest in ancient South India that merited a podcast episode. I guess Pooniyin Selvan helped pique their interest. I am also glad you interviewed a historian who is careful to stick with recorded facts. Good episode, dude.
@BeerBiceps- please check out how Chola dynasty also mingled with Indonesian , Phillipines , Thai, Malay with marrying into them to expand territories . The history Books of Thailand etc talks about it
The Chola kings of the past were known for their secular outlook, as they encouraged both Shaivism and Vaishnavism. In what is now Bangalore, they left a lasting legacy by constructing temples and lakes. Examples include the Someshwar temple in Ulsoor dedicated to Shiva, and the Chokkanathaswamy temple in Domlur dedicated to Vishnu, both situated on the banks of the South Pennar River, known as Dakshina Pinakini in Kannada or Thenpennai/Ponnaiyar in Tamil. Moreover, the Cholas undertook extensive lake dredging efforts in the region, rejuvenating water bodies such as Agara Lake, Madivala Lake, Bellandur Lake, Ulsoor Lake, and Varthur Lakes. Many temples they constructed around these lakes still stand today, serving as a testament to their influence. Notably, tamarind trees planted during the time of the great Rajendra Chola continue to thrive in Nelur, marking a unique bioheritage site. The Cholas have left their mark throughout the area, and their contributions remain part of the region's historical and cultural landscape.
Well I don't know from where you got your history mate but Bengaluru was not under the control of Chola's for long time Bengaluru was ruled by Ganga Dynasty between 350 ce to 1000ce and they were under Chalukya's and Rashtrakuta's and they fought Chola's throughout their existence and defeated many chola's king in war and they in the end met their end in a skirmish between Chola and Ganga's and the someshwara temple was built by Chalukya's not Chola's Madivala Lake is a natural lake, and its creation is not attributed to a specific individual or group. The lake has undergone transformations and improvements over the years, with recent efforts to develop it into a biodiversity park. However, the original formation of the lake is a natural occurrence. Ulsoor Lake, also known as Halasuru Lake, was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring, the then Commissioner of Bangalore. Although the lake is dated to Kempe Gowda’s time, the present lake was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring during his period of service. Varthur Lake was created by the Ganga kings thousands of years ago for agriculture and domestic uses.
Tamil culture the mother for India and reason for birth of all other cultures. First sangam literature goes beyond 6000 years. So, its obvious Tamil existed way before that. When one of the very early Tamil literature Tholkappiyam written, no other cultures existed on this planet, as it recorded. Tamil kings - Cheras are the first and foremost kingdom and reason for ancient advancements. Then comes Cholas and then Pandiyas and Pallavas.
Hey Ranveer, I am a Tamil girl. And yeah, I'm fallen for your three tamil words and interest towards getting to know about the tamil history.... Man I'm actually your fan, it's been 2 years now watching your videos. You're doing very well... We Love you and support you...from Tamil Nadu
Thank You Ranvir For Taking An Tamil Podcast Because I'm An Thamizhan And I'm Seeing Your Videos For More Then Like 7 Years Maybe Because I'm Seeing Your Videos From My School Days...
If you really want to know about tamil kings history, would suggest to bring historians from tamil nadu. He literally said before 300 - 500 BCE cheras, cholas and pandiyas were tribes. There is more than just war or who ruled, It is also about how Chera Chola and pandiyas did trade, technologies and the way they ruled.
Dear TRS, I would like you to interview Balakrishnan IAS, author of Journey of Civilisation to get a balanced view of what Sangam literature can bring to Indian history.
We are literally of the same blood I'm a Sri Lankan Tamil 😂😂. I have ancestry in both chola and Lankans 😂😂😂. Brothers should unite 😁 after fighting in our teenage years .
@@chamarajayasinghe8233 Cholas invaded you and kicked you like dogs many times. How many times have you invaded the Tamil region of India? You can not even dream about it. Just don't dream too much. All Sri Lanka should have in mind is either being under Tamil kingdoms prosperously or being a debt Nation with zero world recognition. We are taking about empires here and Sinhala kings were never known to swim out of the island. Shut up and keep waiting. Time is not far away
Ranveer , I'm from tamil Nadu and I really feel great about you wanting to know and spread knowledge about our history but I'm not quite satisfied with our guest and his limited info on our people and kings. Looking forward to you to bring a more knowledgeable person to unlock the mighty achievements done by our Tamil society long ago
Ranveer bro I'm a honest nationalist but this guy did not do any justification to the topic, I'm from from South India but this guy did not do justice to the theme
i am a mallu from Tamilnadu bro....i do enjoy ur podcasts along with my friends they too enjoy it...your selection of topics are wide range and interesting to all kind of social people
Thankyouuuuuu, I've always felt like our textbooks don't talk about the glory of South Kings and their glorious rule where art, literature, divinity flourished. I'm sooo happy that this exists!
Our textbooks are filled with all Invaders Glorification bro nd in this podcast they've spoken of Tamil Kings mainly There are many more Karnata Empires also
Hi Ranveer, firstly thanks for opening up to Tamil Nadu History. However I would say you chose a wrong person.. As I listened to whole podcast, I am sure he is not well versed with Tamil history and definitely not a subject matter expert.. He knows the history taught by the colonists.. For instance he said tamil kings lived luxurious with palaces.. Which is not correct fully.. If you come down to Tamil Nadu, you can only find Tremendous temples standing tall but not even one palace of kings.. Since Tamil kings spent their wealth on Temples rather than on palace.. Also, please note Temples were not just a place of worship but it also acted as a bank for people.. Hence there was a prosperity. Hence, pls bring people with good knowledge in Tamil history... Finally I appreciate your efforts 😊p
Hii ranveer bhaiya plz bring back Rajrishy Nandy Sir, and ask him the following questions-: 1. How does one figure out the best suited practice and deity for them besides their preference. 2. What practices in our religion differ wrt men and women To give you an example a) The Devya kavacham that is done alongside Durga saptashati has a verse for protection of the doer's wife does that mean women/ girls can't do that. b) The Argala stotram also done alongside Durga saptashati, it's 24 th shlok talks about the doer's wife again. The ending of Argala stotram also promises boon in masculine gender, i.e., nar Does that mean that females can't do these things . Where as the 32 names promises that for everyone, i.e., manushya (I AM NOT A PSEUDO FEMINIST THESE ARE MY GENUINE DOUBTS PLZ CONSIDER THEM) c) Similarly Rajarishy Nandi sir prescribes a 30-40 days sankalpa for siddha kunjika stotram but for quite obvious reasons most females Can't do it, any substitute for us. 3. Another question regarding siddha kunjika stotram. It contains a mantra which is some kind of expanded version of maa Durga's very famous Navarna mantra in the version of it that I read. But the I found another mantra in siddha kunjika stotram on UA-cam itself, the name of the channel is Debashish chakraborty. 5. Last, which practices actually differ for males and females in our religion (I mean I know that these differences are genuine). 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Plz consider this humble request bhaiya.
Sister, I have tried to answer your questions as per my understanding in tantra practices. I hope, it will help to solve all ur doubts. Answer to ur 1st question: Sometimes it is difficult to figure out deity or ishta devta for many people. It is always advised to have ishta devta as per one's 1) Own Nature and 2) Life Aims. Mainly deities are of two types - saumya and ugra. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY DEITY SUITED TO YOUR NATURE. Mahakali, all Kali kula devis from Dasha Mahavidyas and all Bhairavs etc. are ugra devtas, Whereas Vishnu and his incarnations like Ram-Krishna, Mahadev, Ganpati and all Shri kula devis from dasha mahavidyas are generally saumya devtas unless you are praying to their ugra form in tantra. Each devta has unique characteristics like Maha Saraswati is for Vidya (Knowledge), Maha Laxmi and Vishnu for Sampatti (Wealth), Maha Kali for ultimate moksha (salvation), Ganapati for Wisdom, Hanuman for strength, Surya for developing tejas , Mahadev for getting rid of ego and so on. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY YOUR LIFE'S GOALS AND ACCORDINGLY HAVE YOUR ISHTA DEVTA. Our scriptures advise us to pray only those deities which are capable of providing MOKSHA. This way, along with accomplishment of life's goals, you may achieve moksha in the end. Only pancha devtas (five deities) and their incarnations are capable of giving us moksha along with fullfillment of our life's goals. These are Bhagwan Vishnu, Bhagwan Mahadev, Bhagwan Ganapati, Devi Bhagwati and Bhagwan Surya. The best possible way to find out all about these deities and their qualities is to read Purana related to specific pancha devta like Bhagwatam for Vishnu, Shiva Purana for Mahadev, Devi Bhagwatam for any devi worship etc. So that you get to know about each deity and develop a sense of closeness to pick one as your ishta devta. Answer to ur 2nd question: First of all, before starting any sadhana/practice specially related to tantra. You should have proper Guru who is well established in tantra practices otherwise don't go for it by reading tantra books or internet surfing. As far as I know, devi kavacham and argala stotram are not just literal words with meaning. They are sounds encoded with particular ENERGIES by Lord Brahma with the benediction of Bhagwati to receive benefits for various purposes. Energy takes it's form according to sadhakas "THOUGHTS" in mind with continuous repetitions. Both male and female can read Kavacham and Argala stotram as per my guru. Only bhava (भाव) i.e. thoughts in mind are important. Like in Kavacham, it reads "bhaaryaam rakshatu bhairavi" (भार्यां रक्षतु भैरवी) then you should imagine praying to devi for the protection of your male partner. When a sadhika (female sadhak) takes sankalp for 31 days, during the menstrual cycle - days of sadhana are extended further to 5 days i.e. from 31 days it becomes 36 days. You should take a gap of 5 days and carry on further during menstrual cycle. Only a small prayer (क्षमा प्रार्थना) in your mother tongue should be conveyed to deity for the reasons in delaying your sadhana further. As you said, sankalp is never taken for 30 or 40 days. It is taken in odd numbers like 1,5,7,9,11,21,31,41,51 and so on. Answer to ur 3rd question: In tantra, there are many different versions of siddha kunjika stotram for different purposes like as per 1)Rudrayamala Tantra 2)Damar Tantra etc. Some are lost through history. You found different expanded versions of navarna mantra because of that. Siddha Kunjika Stotram given in Durga Saptashati is recommended for general public. Don't go for other versions without proper guru's guidance.
@@tejasvitaanand9745 If u can ask precise question, I could answer more effectively about ur doubt. There are no such differences I find in tantra for male and female sadhak. Except if u r doing a sadhana for pratyakshikaran siddhi (real time manifestation of any deity) (प्रत्यक्षीकरण सिद्धी). When manifestation takes place after successful completion of ur sadhana and deity is happy, a sadhak is asked to set up a relation between deity and him. There u can have siddhi of any male deity as your father, brother, husband or friend and in case of female deity, it is mother, sister or friend. In case of male sadhak, the relation is either wife, mother, sister or friend for any female deity. U can have this type of siddhi only for nimna koti (निम्न कोटि) devtas like apsara, yakshini, gandharva, kinnari, bhairav or bhairavi sadhana. Mahashaktis like Durga, Laxmi, Vishnu, Ganesh etc. do not manifest so easily. Never take sankalp for such deity's pratyakshikaran siddhi. Sadhak has to go through lots of dangerous situations in such cases.
It's an ok kind of interview. It was like just a leaf of a huge tree is explained. Need some more depth. Anchor also shall learn something on Chola for quality questions.
What made different regarding agriculture? Technology of creating lakes . Where water is stored. Knowledge of managing water is the game changer . Edging in global Trading ? Tamil Nadu is like current Singapore where Chinese and European met. There were business guild and corporate group which facilitates this.
Call Parisalan for tamil history podcast, he is tamil dhasiyavathi. Who knows pretty much details about tamil history before the sangam and after the sangam period...
Resident from telangana always makes connected to tamilnadu because of our history .because nearby our home a temple chaya someshwar temple built by cholas .temple is above the scientific mystery . Whenever we visit that temple always reminds me cholas &their kingdom because my uncle always taught us regarding them since our childhood .now watching /listening from someone makes me thank my mama who always teach us regarding our true indian history all are forgetting telugu because all other states taking pride in their language but it's hard to find in our youth of telangana even we should revive our language history and valor not hatred to any language just respect &concern towards mothertoungue which has more history that need to be told..
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Interesting talk. However when the question of the Chola’s religion came up the hesitancy to say it was from Vedam, Veda or Sanatana Dharma which was practiced throughout Bharat is an insult to the Cholas. Also when commenting on the life of the average person during the early rule of these Kingdoms the pure speculation that people were not taken care off is revealing of the conscious or subconscious bias’s Sir has. A Raja’s prime duty per Sanatana Dharma is his people. Maybe it is the long Marxists influence in the South, which wanted to destroy native faith and governance systems over many decades, but I got the impression at times from various comments Sir made that he has some disdain for the Hindu cultural and religious heritage of the South. Or it could be just a result of long exposure to incorrect narratives that Sir is unknowingly expressing himself in such ways.
Other than that interesting talk
@BeerBiceps uncle please invite BM hedge to the podcast
Please do a podcast with major Ravi
Bring Lalli Multani
I am from South India. Please bring on G.Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola Dynasties and Kudavayil Balasubramanian - former curator and publication manager at Saraswathi Mahal Library. These people are getting old, so kindly call them soon on your show. People like these are a body of knowledge, dedicated their whole life in R&D.. it's my humble request
Yeah I totally agree. Beer biceps team please bring these two legends Deivanayagam sir and Balasubramanian sir to this show and record their vast knowledge about cholas history.
You are right. Please interview them to understand Chola dynasty!!!
Thats exactly what I was thinking
G Deivanayagam would be best person to justify this topic
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
Raja Raja Chola is famous not only for his Empire expansion, he is a very knowledgeable, with creative problem-solving skills and strategic vision, a very good administrator
Just saw a video how the cholas built dams strategically to split the Cauvery River into many branches and then spread it out over several hundred Sq kms. That's some terraforming knowledge
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
Did you see the condition of his samadhi sthal, is that how you celebrate your greatest Raja? Don't you guys feel ashamed of yourself Calling him your raja
@@l3x475 current politics 😢
And for commissioning the construction of Brihadeeshwara kshetra in Thanjavur. 🙏🙏🕉️🕉️
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Thanks Bhai ❤love from TN.
I am from Thanjavur and even today there are evidences left by the Cholas Kallani Dam was built by Karikala Cholan two thousand years ago on the Cauvery River and it is still in use today, it is the pride of our India. If you want information about this, it is now available in Thanjavur
It's also the second oldest dam in the world
As a Tamilian my kind request to you is to re-interview about Chola Dynasty with better knowledgeable person about our history
The tamil never request these bramin bastreds they are here to fals the histry of tamils in their favor
I am a Keralite and I can say the Tamil history or South Indian history is not justified here 🙁
Bro I am with you 💯
Exactly... As a person interest in history i could tell more facts than him... Pls bring someone more knowledgeable like MANNAR MANNAN or Prof. Ko. DEIVANAYAGAM to the show pls
Very true
I am 😂
@@secularmama it was in the past and after Sanskrit came then comes other south Indian languages..... People will understand this when they study how south Indian languages came and why they have similar words with tamil 👌😉
Fun fact the Valyrian Steel from Game of Thrones which is originally inspired from a real life Steel known as the damascus steel ( it had nothing to do with Damascus Syria except for being exported from there to rome) is an invention of the Tamils. The Chera kindgom of karur!
Yes I found a research paper related to that. In the old days they called it ukku steel.
@@vinupower ukku mean melt..
That is not ukku, uruku = mixed
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
@@vinupowerit’s called urukku meaning melt
I'm a teen from madurai,Tamilnadu
I love that you made this podcast but still our great history is not fully justified here..
You could interview another person who has a wholesome wisdom about our Tamil history❤
I heard cholas called themselves descendants of lord ram
But hardcore Shiva devotees
Cholas called themselves as Surya Kulam
The guest is peddling biased superficial ideas. Better to listen to or read Kudavayil Balasubramaniam, Arumai Nayagam who did archaeological works not only in TN but also in Italy, Greece and Far Eastern countries and Mannar Mannan. Lot of old Tamil literature in Pathu Paaatu, Ettu Thogai and Pathinen Keezh Kanakku has historical references. I do not think Raghavan Srinivasan dwelled into any of them.
I'm from Chennai. Hi. I always wondered why Chennai is the capital. Why not Madurai or thanjai
Hi Ranveer - this is Senthil from Chennai. I am one a great fan of your podcast and shows. My humble request is to have to have an expert like Devianayagam sir and Manar Mannan who are the real scholars who can throw light on real facts and real history oh cholas, cheras, Pandyas and pallavas. With due respect I wanted to say that there is no justice done here in this show
True bro
True
Exactly 👍
I'm from Noida. And I respect those historic stories and tamil people too.
Hey Ranveer!
Who told people from Tamilnadu don't watch your show?
I am from Tamilnadu living in Bangalore, haven't missed any of your podcast, and same is the case with most of my friends, a small request to add English Subtitles to your Hindi podcast, we feel we're missing out to lot of quality content just because of the language barrier.
And the quality of content is insanely getting better ever show, keep going✌
Bro I think Tamilians living in Tamil Nadu might not watch that much...
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I am from coimbatore, TN.
Me and many of my friends follow TRS podcasts.
It's quite popular here.
@vicky I am from Chennai
Hello I m from Erode...never missed an episode....even TRS ..
Some people will always watch from anywhere.
To know more and deep about Cholas and other dynasties - please bring Prof. Deivanayakam ....he and his father are researcher, archeologist and he can talk english and bring cholas period to present in narrative...
Yes, agreed.. He had more information compared to this gentleman. Also, he has written a book on cholla History.
As a Tamilan i would say one thing that you took wrong person to tell about our history. I appreciate the interest of Ranveer but i suggest to bring someone best person to know even more. There are lot to know
Whom you suggest?
He's average
So many historians, archeologust s know more than him
@@sridharsingaravelu4467Dr.Amarnath who worked as AD and Director of ASI worked in unearthing at Rakhigari or Prof. Devinayagam worked for UNESCO.
Please bring “Odisha Balu” he is expert in Ancient Tamilians which the present Tamilians are not even aware of.
@@cosmicegoink mate he is deceased. Only his spirit has to come for the show.
According to him 3 kings are tribal kingdom untill 6th century. So one of the oldest dam which is still functionel was built in 2 century by a chola king Karikalan, Meenakshi Amman temple built by Padiyas in 1800 years ago, tamil poets were regrouped under an assembly called Sangam. Do you think these are tribal kingdoms???
My grandmother knows everything he said and she could have said it in a better way too. Anyway I am a teen from Tamilnadu who really love the work ur doing. Thanks.
Well said
Really!!!!
You should have brought - Professor G Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola history and a well-known scholar of temple architecture . Orisa balu and prof deivanayagam are the write person to tell chola history bro . Orisa balu is no more 😢 but bring Prof G deivanayagam
They are all anti-hindu
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
There are so many Tamil historians who knows the length and depth of the history.. ranveer, please do your research before getting these people into the show when talking about Tamil Nadu or for that matter South Indian History.. you had a very bad choice with Keerthi and this episode ..
Why should we feel offended for being called a tribal kingdom? We should be proud for our achievements. We are not insignificant.
Rip orisa balu sir😢💔
the guest is not well versed.feels like he has an agenda not to give the tamil emperors the due credit they deserve he casually says that the common men would have most probably lived under hardships and says tamil kings lived life drinking expensive wine,the entire chola period is recorded as a golden period for people,tamil kings wore expensive jewellery yes but did not induldge in debauchery,they were deeply spiritual and pious thus the creation of magnificent shiva temples,i guess the guest is a wolf under sheep's clothing,probably because of his caste affliation,god knows but what i truly understand is that he is deliberately trying to tarnish the glorious tamil history
Moreover it he was jumping between topics without any common thread.
Also, how could he say about Southeast Asia "they had some kingdoms" or something like that, when the Southeast Asian direction was the most important for the Cholas.
I don't know much about the history or not an expert, but I too felt he was not giving any credit to anything the emperors were capable of - hearing from one another historian will help validate his views
I fully agree wit this view. Raghavan s not really conversant wit Chera, Chozha, Panditas n Pallavas Rule n history. A poor reflection of reality.😢
Mannar mannan is the right person for this show. Since he has evidence & history in plate for your understand & accept
Ragaven simply forgot the kallanai,which was build 2000 years ago across Kaveri river to expand agriculture
Lands. This dam is still in use.
This canning man tells cholas came from telungu county. Cholas are in existence over sangam period
This ragaven just changing history may be with some motive.
Rajendera chola is the most powerful among all cholas, he who led northern expedition to Ganges and defeated
The pale emperor of West Bengal and then these days miyanmar in the north and then south east Asia expedition.
As an Indian from South..i would request someone else more knowledgeable to talk about the Cholas. Archeologist Nagaswamy sir is the best to talk about these topics. A humble request!
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Unfortunately Nagaswamy sir is no more
He was right wing though. It is either left or right. Iravadam Mahadevan was neutral.
👿👿👿 This raghavan is a Telugu person just like DMK first family and is trying to putdown Tamil History. Its our true TAMILIANS fate we have to hear this. Mark my words REAL TAMIL will uprise and we will showcase our true history soon. These STOOGES will be put in their place. 👿👿👿
Cholas history started way back during karkala Chola where , the oldest dam was built which s still functional in Tiruchirapalli ( Kalanai dam)...
Yesss really!!!
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
B4 karikala chola they were chola kings too , but he wad the influential and strongest kung during his time in indian subcontinent
Yes correct. Karikala cholan is the first cholan.
@@debodatta7398 yeah❤
I'm kannadiga I love Tamil language
It's very easy to talk where other language having very huge words
But Tamil is very simple and sweet
really bro what i hear kannadiga people are hate tamils
Seriously caste system???? There was no caste system during the 3kings rule!! Please don’t misinterpret the history. Also pandyas ruled longer than cholas.
well said brother
Pandyas themselves were Brahmins.
@@AdityaKumar-yi7ig lol. Never
@@AdityaKumar-yi7ig pandiyas are not brahim i from madurai and i know
@@kishorekingsteel7624 it doesn't mean that were are you from ... Yes, the Pandyas were a Brahmin dynasty in South India:
Origin
The Pandya surname comes from the Sanskrit word paṇḍe, which means "knowledgeable learned".
History
The Pandyas were one of the three great kingdoms of Tamilakam, along with the Cholas and the Cheras. The Pandyas initially practiced Jainism, but later became Hindus, specifically Shaivas.
Land distribution
During the Pandya dynasty, land was assigned to different groups, including Brahmins, ironsmiths, and carpenters.
Trade
The Pandyas had trade relations with many countries in Asia, including Sri Lanka, Southeast Asia, and China.
Art and literature
The Pandyas were patrons of art and literature, and built many temples and palace
Petition to Bring B. M. Hegde on the TRS!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯💯💯
True. @beerbiceps consider this
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Yes please
Dr. BM Hegde is seriously ill. He may never be available for any public forum.
As a tamilian, i felt like you insulted the tamil history by bringing jokers 🤡 really really disappointed @BeerBiceps
Am from Telangana... I do feel the as you. Cholas are way top most powerful then anyone in India. Who fought on land and water.
@@mohanavamsiethamsetti one among the powerful dynasties i think there are mughals who were also powerful
its not about that.. this a$$hole in the name guest is lying that s my problem
I agree. This guy just did not want to g8ve enough credit for the empire. He didn't talk about the temple the inscriptions how much they respected everyone who involved in building temple.
It was Rajendra who won the Battles for Raja Rajan and expanded his territory to the peak. Unsung superhero of Chola Dynasty was truly Rajendra!
No,Raja Raja also fought many wars,he captured half of Lanka but his son is the one who finished the job
I am not a history student but still I can tell about Tamilnadu history more than him. He is telling only wine was imported from Rome. Glass, Gold were the main items. Exports include spices, animals like tiger, elephant, leopard ete, muslin, germs.The Greek and Arabic names for rice (Oryza and urz), ginger(Gingibar and zanjabil) and cinnamon (Karpion and quarfa) are almost identical with their Tamil names, arisi, inchiver and karuva.When Pallava were ruling , Pandiyas also were ruling in the south. Only Cholas were vessels of Kanchipuram. During Gupta period , Samudra Gupta came upto Kanchi when early Pallava king Vishnugopa was ruling..
Main problem of this podcast is not that he is not knowing the details but the modulation and way of speaking, basically he doesn't want any greatness to be given to Tamil Nadu and the way of his speech confirms that.
You got the point
As a historian you need to be as unbiased as possible. You an only talk about the details with specifics uncovered from historical artifacts and should not speculate.
this is what everyone dislikes..ready to downgrade others.typical illiterate tamil superiority attitude
Precisely. He seems reluctant to say anything good. He calls the Pandyas Cholas and Pallavas "satraps"! God
@@Ramkeev 👍
Native from Andhra .....Born and brought up entirely in Chattisgarh and now working in Tamil Nadu . I love Indian heritage. We should cherish the good things from our history. These podcasts are really informative and I love listening to it to before sleep and the quality of content has improved so much . Kudos to the team
He he same here native from Andhra ...Born and brought up in CG ,studied and worked in Chennai now living in Bangalore..
@@gayatris4169 Haha that's nice
...my next place probably is bglr
@@transparentguy9096 that's nice
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
48:50 Saivam is the Religion followed by Cholas, every town in tamilnadu has round 4-5 temple and atleast one temple will be biggest in size... Tamilnadu is the place where most hindu temples were built in india ... could be around 1,00,000
எல்லோருக்கும் வணக்கம்! தஞ்சாவூர் ❤
I am very proud be a watch this particular podcast, lot's of love from cholas 😊
The name Ragavan Srinivasan is enough 😮 who he is to talk about Tamils.
You have to conversate with Dr.Deivanayagam or Orissa Balu ( Now he is no more) to know more about Chola,Chera and Pandiyas.
Thayir saadham 😂
That's very unfortunate that this person is not much aware of Tamil Empires... And emperors..
I'm from Tamil Nadu. I really appreciate your efforts to know about our culture. I follow your podcasts also.
Looks like he got his knowledge reading kalkai and balakumarans novels and trying drive his own agenda. Lot of gaps in his narrative!😢
As Tamils, we are very proud of our History and the impact the kingdoms from this part of the world had on the larger world. These kings and kingdoms are household topics in families even today where history is verbally passed on. Very glad rest of Bharath is now getting to know this ❤
But why are Tamilians converting to Christianity so rapidly even knowing what their ancestors like Cholas did and achieved plus A lot of DMK members were offended by the Ponniyin Selvan movie which was again about Chola ???
@@siddyray3361 brother the Christian missionaries are doing these things not only in Tamil Nadu they're doing this all over India they are using the poverty of those people and converting them Tamil Nadu is the land of Hindus the majority of the people are serious followers of Hindu gods the DMK party is anti-bramins party they calling them self as an anti-caste party or anti-Brahmanism party but the truth is they don't like brahmins superiority but they like to stamp Dalits by the name of caste the story starts from justices party to DK and then to DMK and then to AIADMK the DMK and aiadmk are political parties were DMK is a strict anti-brahmins party and always scolds gods that's why AIADMK has a lot of vote percentage than DMK if have to read a lot to know more about Tamil Nadu and about those so-called dravida parties i can't summarise 70 years history here just start from justices party and then EV Ramasamy and then DK and then AIADMK if you read all those history then you will get answer about your questions why they got offended by PS movie but i can say you that this is last tenure for DMK in tamil nadu they will not rule again for atleast 15 years
@@siddyray3361lack of knowledge about their 🕉 and unaware of their ancestors .
@@siddyray3361 Only scheduled caste peoples are converting to Christianity
@@NaveenRock62see! Dravidianism victimhood is backfiring you !! Even though Bihar is considered no.1 in caste discrimination but every hindu there is proud of hindu identity, but TN?? I didn't expected it. Vote DMK eradicate Sanatan dharm lol
Tamils are responsible! In this Sense biharis are far better
Cholas became so rich because of their dominance of Indian Ocean, Naval Fleet, Army, Food Technology, Banking, Construction Technology, Metallurgy, import and export, etc., Above all their Literature and Knowledge that’s what made them rich.
39:33 Cholas conquered east of India went on to conquer Combodia, Java Sumatra
In my view the main reason for the ancient Tamilagam being so rich is because of its position in the Indian Ocean region. Many of the Transit ports of the Ancient world, especially the ones between Greece and China were situated in the Tamil regions of South India. There are historical records and Artifacts which confirm the fact that Foreigners were a common site back then and there are enough archeological evidence of Greek colonies in various parts of Tamilnadu (Probably created by the Greek Sea farers and traders of that time). So it is Trade that enriched the region in addition to being an agrarian society. There is an ancient saying in tamil 'Thiraikadal odi Thiraviyam thedu' which translates to 'Surf the seas to earn the fruit called wealth' which aptly reflects the outlook of the Tamil Society. Even the Chola conquest of Srivijaya was due to the fact that the king of Srivijaya was disgruntled by the Cholas controlling the trade and taking away the earnings that could otherwise come to his kingdom. He therefore created frequent disturbances to the Tamil Merchant groups and their Ships carrying valuables to China and Vice versa! The gentle man here missed this crucial part.
Pandyas organized three Tamil literary academies(sangams) to develop Tamil language. They ruled south of tamilnadu till a region called Kumari continent mentioned in tholkappiyam which is a Tamil grammar developed around 500BC. First 2 sangam happened these regions. After it is been destroyed by tsunami these regions are under sea. Then they shifted capital to Madurai which is currently there. On there 3rd sangam happened. But Pandyas did not do much inscriptions, their story we can come to know by poems from sangam age. Pandyas ruled more time than Cholas
finally one person talking sense .
So true! The Pandyas also had copper inscriptions, the most prominent one being the Velvikudi inscription which is in London museum now.
Thanks for saying this
Exactly .. Nailed it .. And he was saying there is no records for sangam literature 1 &2 . what is this .. He would have bring some other scholar to his podcast
@@deepanrajmohan9880this is always happened
Who said Tamilans are not watching your show, Tamilians are across globe not just in Tamilnadu, Seems Google fails to identify us…. :)
Yep. Watching as Tamil South African..🐅
Srilankan Tamil here 😊
@@cameronpillay8050yes ofcourse mixed white shirt 😂
@@Gowrisankar__gs mixed white shirt . Make It make sense 🥴🧚♀️🖕🏿
I appreciate ranveer for this podcast 🎉, but as a tamilan I felt that our history could have been discussed more precisely. Also Raghavan srinivasan sir is good thought it could be better.
I will suggest 2 UA-cam channels as they explain alot after lots of research
1. Sunday distrubance
2. Deep talks tamil
Its would be good if they have a podcast with them 😊
Looking forward for more of you're podcast 🫂
Sangamithra Ashoka voda daughter name ithu. 👍
You missed payitru padaipaggam
TRS should invite people who know real history of Tamil Nadu
Love for tamil is the highest thing in this world
Watching as a Tamil Indian from Durban, South Africa 🇿🇦 🇮🇳
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It was Rajendra Chola, son of Raja Rajan.. who went till Ganges… he even named his new capital city GangaikondaChola Puram as a tribute to the win.
Karnataka history is very different from the rest of the South Indian states...
Please make a podcast on Karnata empires like Rastrakutas, chalukyas, Yadavas, Gangas, vijayanagara empire...
Many dynasties and empires from Karnataka have ruled the northern and western part of indian states from gujrat to bengal...
Karnataka empires needed to studied better
We defeated cholas And pallavas
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627no , no u didn't 😂
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627 I think Sattvavahanas defeated Pallavas yes, but neither the Chalukyas nor the Rastrakuttas defeated Cholas, they won wars, both sides lost territory to each other different times, but until the raise of late Pandiyas I think with help of Hoysalas (who very close relatives of Cholas) and Srilankans defeated Cholas in 13'th century, before that no one defeated Cholas.
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627Yes we did, Vikramaditya 2nd defeated Pallavas so badly that Cholas who were feudatories of Pallavas defeated Pallavas and came to main play.
We defeated Cholas many times - Look at the Rashtrakutas war at Takkolam , the cholas couldn't forget the humiliation they faced for centuries after this.
And why do you think Rajendra Chola went to Ganga got the title Gangaikonda Chola by travelling over coastal side in the east ?? Because we Karnatas ( Chalukyan empire) was there spread across till Bihar.
Make podcast about bhakti movement which started from Tamilnadu and spread to entire Indian subcontinent & made changes in the entire Indian culture
Great tamil bhakti classical like thevaram ,thiruvasagam, Divya prabhandam
Good suggestion ❤
Much needed otherwise hinduism would have wiped out of India
Great suggestion. There is so much to learn there. My husband and I do some work there.
Search for Siva Siva madhisudi as keywords
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
You are interviewing with wrong person he repeatedly replying telugu telugu Telugu. He is telling chola may be Telugu. May be he is telugu
Telugu was not born during the sangam period.Yeah Telugu is very old but not that old
Too much information was missing!!
FYI: Cholas were always shinavas, who always worshipped Lord Shiva!! But also gave space to people to worship Vishnu and regional gods and goddesses!
Cholas are the first emperor to have warship in the history and they were so furious in battles and use all strategies which one cannot imagine!
Rajendran chola was badass among all !!
Hi ranveer can we start a series where we cover the history of every state from an expert from that state and know about each and every state of India
Rightly said 👍
I fully support your view
Awsome idea
I know these topics won't attract much views but they are important for Indians as we don't know much about our own history.
This guy is a terrible Cholas historian though. I think Kamini Dandapani is a much better pick
It will grab views
@@cokedupnormies2651yes ditto i get the same notion while I was reading his book.
@@cokedupnormies2651why bro?
@@vineekmarhatta7586May be he is expecting commercial Tamil movie hype about Cholas😂😂. I think he fairly covered key aspects. Barring raja raja Chola, Rajendra Chola even tamilains won't talk much about others. This speaker touched upon these emperors. Also he stated fact that longest survived empire.
It's 1:11 am Indonesia time.
I'm enjoying this episode. Really amazing guests on your show.
I can sleep listening to these History talks (it's a compliment)
& sometimes lose sleep completely (it's a compliment)
Looks like Raghavan sir, read 1980 6th grade history book and came for the podcast .. people dont realise that this is the age of data and information, and need clear and consise details on topics being discussed.
19:55 have interview with archeologist Mr. Ananth ramakrishnan, R. Balakrishnan I.A.S. retired to get clear history with archeological evidence.
You are asking the wrong guy about Tamil Kingdoms. He did not even talk 5% of the history. I can see him stammering and biased. Please choose proper Tamil historians next time if you want to talk about Tamil history.
I am a history student and there were so many good kingdoms in Indian history who were great but in personal I just love chola kingdom .....thanks for giving us this podcast ❤❤❤❤
Cholas, Pandyas and Cheras 👑🔥 chapters in my VII standard 🤓📖... Thank you Ranveer Bhaiya 🧒🏻❤️ for bringing history in your podcast 🎙️✨.
May be just like 1 or two pages in the text book
Wrong history
Pallavas were the royals
@@akhilyaminedi323😂😂😂😂😂😂idiots
There where tradional ancient highways which are not researched extensively
I dont knw ur channel interviewing non tamil for speaking tamil kings history.. this shows how north indian want distort the history
The origins of Chola kings of Tamil lands mentioned in the copper plates unearthed in a place called Thiruvalangadu about 100 years ago gives common ancestry to Cholas with Ikshvahus until the time Mandhaata.
After Mandhaata there was a division. In the Ikshvaku dynasty, only the eldest son ascended the throne.
The other children of the king had ruled other parts or had founded their own dynasties. King Sibi had come in the lineage of siblings.
In Sibi’s lineage, king Cholavarman came who founded the Chola kingdom. This information is found in the copper plates.
A famous Vedic king was associated with Swat region. He was none other than King Sibi (Sivi) who offered his flesh to a hawk to save a pigeon. In his book, ‘Ancient Geography of India’, Cunningham quotes Hwen Thsang that “the legend of ‘the hawk and the pigeon’ in which Buddha, to save a pigeon tears his own flesh and offers to hawk” occurred in the region of Swat. He also quotes Fa-Hian as saying “that Buddha was then a king named Shi-pi-ka or Sivika”. The name, Bodhibhavana during Ramayana times reinforces the presence of ascetics and others immersed in Knowledge and salvation in this region of Swat.
Sibi was originally a king of Vedic culture, born to Madhavi, the daughter of King Yayati. His father was Usinara. In an amazing correlation, Swat River that starts at Kalam is joined by two rivers one of them known by name ‘Ushu’! The phonetic similarity with Usinara cannot be ignored.
Mahabharata recounts this legend of King Sibi at many places (MB:3:196, 3;207, 13:32, 13:67 &14:90). At one place he is said to be the king of Kasi (Mahabharata 13-32). But as with siblings and cousins, Sibi must have sought a place for himself away from ancestral roots and had chosen the region at the commencement of Swat, then known as Ikshumati! His descendants occupied the entire region of River Sindhu in due course taking up various names as Sivi, Saibya, Sauvira and so on. The lesser known name is ‘Sembiya’ which the Cholas of Tamil lands held for themselves. It is from the genealogy of Cholas, we come to know that Sibi was an ancestor of Rama!
Sibi as ancestor of Rama and Cholas.
The genealogy of Cholas is found in the copper plates of Thiruvalangadu. It traces the origin of Cholas from the Solar dynasty of the Ikshvakus and continued with the same names of Rama’s genealogy till Mandhata. After Mandhata a divergence comes. In Rama’s genealogy, Susandhi takes over the reign from him. (Valmiki Ramayana 1.70.26). In Chola’s genealogy, Muchukunda’s name appears after Mandhata and continues with Vallabha, Prithulaksha and others till Bharata. Cholavarma, one of the sons of Bharata founded the Chola race in the Chola country.
Only the eldest son came to the Ikshvaku throne. This explains why the genealogy diverged after Mandhata. Sibi came in the lineage of Muchukunda, the sibling to the king of Ayodhya.
The Cholas were proud of their lineage from Sibi and called themselves as ‘Sembiyan’ - a derivative from Sibi. This was mentioned at several places in Sangam literature and to name a few in Puram 37 and 39. The information not known to outside world is thatRama also was considered as an ancestor of the Cholas.
Though there is no direct mention of the name as Rama (so also with Sibi, as that name was never mentioned in the verses but only through an allusion to the legend of hawk and the pigeon), the reference to him is found mentioned along with Sibi. Rama’s name was indicated by the reference to the destruction of Ravana’s city, signified as “thoongeyil” - the fortress that was hanging from the sky - a reference to its location on a mountain touching the clouds. It appeared as though Ravana’s city was hanging down from the clouds. Allusion to Rama as the destroyer of “thoongeyil” is mentioned inPurananuru - 39, Siripaanaattru-padai - 79-82, Pazhamozhi - 49, Silappadhikaram - 29-16-4/5, Manimegalai - 1-4, Kalingatthu-p-paraNi - Raja - 17, Raja raja Chozhan vula - 13, Vikrama Chozhan vula 8-9.
With the Tamil chronicles establishing Rama along with Sibi in the same lineage, the verse in Ramayana on ancestors of Rama in the city watered by river Ikshumati could only be an allusion to Sibi.
Copper plate written in two langauge tamil and sanskrit. Tamil version is 30 years older than sanskrit. Tamil version didnt had genealogy, about full of document regarding temple and lake repair, donations and legal gaurdians. Sanskrit mythology part added by brahminsn cholas themselve not aware of it.probably manuplation.
@@skyquestmaniso if you don't know anything then it's brahim ? Uneducated fool
@@skyquestmani According to Purāṇas and Tamil sources, Chola was a brother of Pāndya. Evidently, ancient Cholas were the descendants of the Puru or
Chandra dynasty. Later, the Chola dynasty of Tamil Nadu had been mixed up with the Ikśvāku kings of Andhra. Thus, many Telugu Chola lineages (Velanati, Renati, Pottapi, Mudigonda and more) came into existence. This may be the reason why the later Cholas claim their origin from Sūrya Vaṁśa. The Charala plates and Kanyakumari inscription of Vira Rajendra
Chola give the following chronological list from Brahma to Vijayālaya:
1. Brahma 19. Chola
2. Marīchi 20. Rājakesari
3. Kaśyapa 21. Parakesari
4. Vivasvān 22. Mrityujit
5. Ikśvāku 23. Vīrasena
6. Vikukśi 24. Chitra
7. Purañjaya 25. Puṣpaketu
8. Kakustha 26. Ketumāla
9. Prithu 27. Samudrajit
10. Kuvalāśva 28. Pañchapa
11. Māndhātā 29. Nrimrida
12. Muchukunda 30. Manoratha
13. Hariśchandra 31. Perunatkilli
14. Sagara 32. Karikāla
15. Bhagīratha 33. Vallabha
16. Rituparṇa 34. Jagadekamalla
17. Dilīpa 35. Vyālabhayankara
18. Rāma, Lakśmaṇa, Bharata,
Śatrughna
36. Vijayālaya, the founder of later Chola dynasty
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 these wer in found in later chola sanskrit inscription. Not in early cholas or sangam literture. None of chola king name in sangam literture wer sanskrit. Renadu chola claim the descended from karikala chola. Indeed chola wer pushed to andhra when kalabirar in power, and also cholas wer supporting kalinga branch of lanka while pandiyas supporting aryan branch in srilanka. Cholas itself retroflex sound unique to tamil.
@@skyquestmani The Chronology of Cholas
According to Manimekhalai and Tamil legends, Kāveri River was
released from his water vessel (Kamandal) by Rishi Agastya in response to the prayer of Chola King Kantan, or Kantaman. Kalingattuparani and
Vikramacholan Ula indicate that King Kantan was the earliest known
king of Cholas and a contemporary of Rishi Agastya and Paraśurāma.
He was also a contemporary of King Tondaiman. The legends of Vada
Thirumullaivayil indicate that King Tondaiman was a junior contemporary of Śiva and Murugan. King Kantan gave his kingdom to his illegitimate son, Kakandan, in order to escape from Paraśurāma.
Kakandan ruled from the city of Champā, which came to be known as Kākandi, Puhar and Kaveripattanam. Sangam literature refers to another Chola king, Tungeyilerinda Todittot Sembian, a descendant of Śivi, who destroyed the forts of Asuras. He started the celebration of Indra festival for twenty-eight days at the instance of Rishi Agastya (a descendant of Agastya).
The Rāmāyaṇa refers to the kingdom of Cholas. Therefore, it is
chronologically absurd to establish King Chola as a descendant of Sri
Rāma. Seemingly, the Chandra Vaṁśa of the Cholas and the Sūrya Vaṁśa of the descendants of King Aśmaka or King Danḍaka were mixed up after the Rāmāyaṇa era.
Traditionally, the Cholas had three surnames: Killi, Valavan and
Sembian. According to Vīracholīyam, Sembian means a descendant of King Śivi. Probably, Sembians or descendants of Śivi also settled in Tamil Nadu and became a lineage of Cholas, being Chandra Vaṁśis. Ancient Tamil sources mention the names of 122 Chola kings who reigned around 5000-1020 BCE.
Before the rise of Vijayālaya (150-180 CE), the lineage of Muttarayar ruled in Tanjavur. The city of Tanjavur was the capital of Muttarayar kings. The name of Tanjavur city is derived from the name of Tananjaya (Dhanañjaya or Arjuna). It is traditionally believed that Muttarayars came from North. Seemingly, Sūrya Vaṁśi Cholas of Andhra Pradesh, known as Muttarayar, occupied the Chola Kingdom around 600-500 BCE as allies of the Pallavas. Vijayālaya, a descendant of another branch of Cholas, conquered the Chola Kingdom from Elango Muttarayar, the last king of the Muttarayar dynasty.
Whenever I get to hear my hometown which is madurai getting mentioned related tamil history. Proper goosebumps moment for me 🤩❤️
Raja Raja was not just a conqueror,He was into advance agriculture,water management,funds management, architecture women wrre involved in politics,he tried to include all the religions like Budhism,built temples etc.He was a good ruler,ardent shiva devotee and a lot more
I agree with many of the comments about asking a more recognized historian to talk on this important part of our history.
Petition to bring the person who is fully knowledgeable abt Tamil history. Really this guy?
Netflix should stream a documentary on Chandragupta, Ashoka, Samudragupta, Rajaraja Chola, Pulakeshin 2, Amogvarsha just like they did with Oda Nobunaga
Oda Nobunaga is a fairly recent guy compared to Pulikeshi or others you mentioned.
Also rajendra chola
I don't think one documentary is enough to cover entire chola Kingdom..
Kannada Pride. Kannada Power.
Netflix is woke. Why would you think they would be remotely interested in us? Look at what they did to cleopatra
Divide hindus into vaishnavas, shaivas, and shaktas, but call Buddhists, jains as religions but call hindus cults and call the cholas seculars... clearly he's influenced by left historians writing the tamil history books... call a real historian/archeologist ranveer...
Agree agree agree
CFBR
Totally
What about the great Adi Shankaracharya...he was a Vedantic scholar of the highest order? This fellow is hardly a historian and has gotten some key facts wrong. Please invite a true and knowledgeable scholar on the subject of South Indian history which remains largely unknown to us northerners. It was never taught to in school. Every Indian must know the importance of these ancient times that are the very foundation of who we are - deeply rooted in a common culture. This will have a unifying effect on our younger generations so that we can remain one indivisible and cohesive nation - despite our regional differences - never to be overrun by outsiders ever again. Jai Bharath!
Raja Raja Chola respected all religions but spread shaivsim. He did it to win the cooperation of the people due to the bigger size of his empire. Hinduism is a name given by an English idiot which is now turned by the politicians as an identity. Go preserve your Mother tongue and its own culture rather than calling age-old religions a part of the newly born term Hindu. Praying lord Shiva and Rama need not be limited to a single form. If it is limited then understand that there is a political cause behind this. Just because BJP wants it to be a single entity followers of lord shiva need not be forced to accept the term Hinduism. There is a difference between practicing Hindus and political Hindus. BJP is just a mere political Hindu. The people of India are the real Hindus.
Bro,
I'm from Tamil Nadu and I appreciate your efforts🙏🙏🙏
Hi Ranveer, i'm a diaspora Tamil from Malaysia and a fan of your channel. It helps me tap into the current Indian zeitgeist. Of course the history of the Cholas is much much bigger and more complex than can be covered within a podcast like this. But i am glad there is enough interest in ancient South India that merited a podcast episode. I guess Pooniyin Selvan helped pique their interest.
I am also glad you interviewed a historian who is careful to stick with recorded facts. Good episode, dude.
The way ranveer said a" tamil guy talking to Romans/ Italian's" sounded mocking... we did not expect this from you.
This is 101 of tamilian history. Please bring more people to learn tamilian history in depth
@BeerBiceps- please check out how Chola dynasty also mingled with Indonesian , Phillipines , Thai, Malay with marrying into them to expand territories . The history Books of Thailand etc talks about it
The Chola kings of the past were known for their secular outlook, as they encouraged both Shaivism and Vaishnavism. In what is now Bangalore, they left a lasting legacy by constructing temples and lakes. Examples include the Someshwar temple in Ulsoor dedicated to Shiva, and the Chokkanathaswamy temple in Domlur dedicated to Vishnu, both situated on the banks of the South Pennar River, known as Dakshina Pinakini in Kannada or Thenpennai/Ponnaiyar in Tamil.
Moreover, the Cholas undertook extensive lake dredging efforts in the region, rejuvenating water bodies such as Agara Lake, Madivala Lake, Bellandur Lake, Ulsoor Lake, and Varthur Lakes. Many temples they constructed around these lakes still stand today, serving as a testament to their influence.
Notably, tamarind trees planted during the time of the great Rajendra Chola continue to thrive in Nelur, marking a unique bioheritage site. The Cholas have left their mark throughout the area, and their contributions remain part of the region's historical and cultural landscape.
Well I don't know from where you got your history mate but Bengaluru was not under the control of Chola's for long time Bengaluru was ruled by Ganga Dynasty between 350 ce to 1000ce and they were under Chalukya's and Rashtrakuta's and they fought Chola's throughout their existence and defeated many chola's king in war and they in the end met their end in a skirmish between Chola and Ganga's and the someshwara temple was built by Chalukya's not Chola's
Madivala Lake is a natural lake, and its creation is not attributed to a specific individual or group. The lake has undergone transformations and improvements over the years, with recent efforts to develop it into a biodiversity park. However, the original formation of the lake is a natural occurrence.
Ulsoor Lake, also known as Halasuru Lake, was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring, the then Commissioner of Bangalore. Although the lake is dated to Kempe Gowda’s time, the present lake was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring during his period of service.
Varthur Lake was created by the Ganga kings thousands of years ago for agriculture and domestic uses.
Tamil culture the mother for India and reason for birth of all other cultures. First sangam literature goes beyond 6000 years. So, its obvious Tamil existed way before that. When one of the very early Tamil literature Tholkappiyam written, no other cultures existed on this planet, as it recorded. Tamil kings - Cheras are the first and foremost kingdom and reason for ancient advancements. Then comes Cholas and then Pandiyas and Pallavas.
Hey Ranveer, I am a Tamil girl. And yeah, I'm fallen for your three tamil words and interest towards getting to know about the tamil history.... Man I'm actually your fan, it's been 2 years now watching your videos. You're doing very well... We Love you and support you...from Tamil Nadu
Thank You Ranvir For Taking An Tamil Podcast Because I'm An Thamizhan And I'm Seeing Your Videos For More Then Like 7 Years Maybe Because I'm Seeing Your Videos From My School Days...
Petition to bring Dr Balakrishnan IAS on TRS. He wrote the book' A journey of a civilization ' Indus to Vaigai. about Indus civilization.
If you really want to know about tamil kings history, would suggest to bring historians from tamil nadu. He literally said before 300 - 500 BCE cheras, cholas and pandiyas were tribes. There is more than just war or who ruled, It is also about how Chera Chola and pandiyas did trade, technologies and the way they ruled.
Tamil is 1st language in earth but this dumb saying Chera, Chola, Pandya tribes
2:24 we do watch from South ranveer ( i'm from Northern Karnataka )
Dear TRS, I would like you to interview Balakrishnan IAS, author of Journey of Civilisation to get a balanced view of what Sangam literature can bring to Indian history.
A Sri Lankan 🇱🇰 here. I always wanted to know bout Cholas in depth, our arch enemy 😂. Thank you for doing this fascinated episode Ranveer. Kudos!!!
Don't worry, cholas will comeback one day, to pay you back😅😅😅
@@senthilkumars7407Then they will lose again like always happened...
We are literally of the same blood I'm a Sri Lankan Tamil 😂😂. I have ancestry in both chola and Lankans 😂😂😂. Brothers should unite 😁 after fighting in our teenage years .
@@chamarajayasinghe8233 Cholas invaded you and kicked you like dogs many times. How many times have you invaded the Tamil region of India? You can not even dream about it. Just don't dream too much. All Sri Lanka should have in mind is either being under Tamil kingdoms prosperously or being a debt Nation with zero world recognition. We are taking about empires here and Sinhala kings were never known to swim out of the island. Shut up and keep waiting. Time is not far away
@@chamarajayasinghe8233😁😁😁😁😁 Great Cholas came and ruled siri lanka many time but which siri lankan king Came out from indian ocean
Soo proud to watch being Tamilian . Looking forward to see more history from rest of our country ❤❤❤
Ranveer , I'm from tamil Nadu and I really feel great about you wanting to know and spread knowledge about our history but I'm not quite satisfied with our guest and his limited info on our people and kings.
Looking forward to you to bring a more knowledgeable person to unlock the mighty achievements done by our Tamil society long ago
Ranveer bro I'm a honest nationalist but this guy did not do any justification to the topic, I'm from from South India but this guy did not do justice to the theme
i am a mallu from Tamilnadu bro....i do enjoy ur podcasts along with my friends
they too enjoy it...your selection of topics are wide range and interesting to all kind of social people
Thankyouuuuuu, I've always felt like our textbooks don't talk about the glory of South Kings and their glorious rule where art, literature, divinity flourished. I'm sooo happy that this exists!
Our textbooks are filled with all Invaders Glorification bro nd in this podcast they've spoken of Tamil Kings mainly
There are many more Karnata Empires also
Please showcase history of Northeast too ....why only the north and south gets highlighted ....please its time the mainstream should know about us too
Ahoms right?
Hi Ranveer, firstly thanks for opening up to Tamil Nadu History. However I would say you chose a wrong person.. As I listened to whole podcast, I am sure he is not well versed with Tamil history and definitely not a subject matter expert.. He knows the history taught by the colonists.. For instance he said tamil kings lived luxurious with palaces.. Which is not correct fully.. If you come down to Tamil Nadu, you can only find Tremendous temples standing tall but not even one palace of kings.. Since Tamil kings spent their wealth on Temples rather than on palace.. Also, please note Temples were not just a place of worship but it also acted as a bank for people.. Hence there was a prosperity. Hence, pls bring people with good knowledge in Tamil history... Finally I appreciate your efforts 😊p
For referance Cheras are present time Keral and Padiyans are present time Tamilnadu
Any random tamil youngster knows our history better, more, authentic than this old man, he doesn't seem like scholar.
Hii ranveer bhaiya plz bring back Rajrishy Nandy Sir, and ask him the following questions-:
1. How does one figure out the best suited practice and deity for them besides their preference.
2. What practices in our religion differ wrt men and women
To give you an example
a) The Devya kavacham that is done alongside Durga saptashati has a verse for protection of the doer's wife does that mean women/ girls can't do that.
b) The Argala stotram also done alongside Durga saptashati, it's 24 th shlok talks about the doer's wife again. The ending of Argala stotram also promises boon in masculine gender, i.e., nar
Does that mean that females can't do these things .
Where as the 32 names promises that for everyone, i.e., manushya
(I AM NOT A PSEUDO FEMINIST THESE ARE MY GENUINE DOUBTS PLZ CONSIDER THEM)
c) Similarly Rajarishy Nandi sir prescribes a 30-40 days sankalpa for siddha kunjika stotram but for quite obvious reasons most females
Can't do it, any substitute for us.
3. Another question regarding siddha kunjika stotram. It contains a mantra which is some kind of expanded version of maa Durga's very famous Navarna mantra in the version of it that I read.
But the I found another mantra in siddha kunjika stotram on UA-cam itself, the name of the channel is Debashish chakraborty.
5. Last, which practices actually differ for males and females in our religion (I mean I know that these differences are genuine).
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Plz consider this humble request bhaiya.
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Genuinely I too have these doubts while doing parayana
Sister, I have tried to answer your questions as per my understanding in tantra practices. I hope, it will help to solve all ur doubts.
Answer to ur 1st question:
Sometimes it is difficult to figure out deity or ishta devta for many people. It is always advised to have ishta devta as per one's 1) Own Nature and 2) Life Aims. Mainly deities are of two types - saumya and ugra. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY DEITY SUITED TO YOUR NATURE.
Mahakali, all Kali kula devis from Dasha Mahavidyas and all Bhairavs etc. are ugra devtas,
Whereas Vishnu and his incarnations like Ram-Krishna, Mahadev, Ganpati and all Shri kula devis from dasha mahavidyas are generally saumya devtas unless you are praying to their ugra form in tantra.
Each devta has unique characteristics like Maha Saraswati is for Vidya (Knowledge), Maha Laxmi and Vishnu for Sampatti (Wealth), Maha Kali for ultimate moksha (salvation), Ganapati for Wisdom, Hanuman for strength, Surya for developing tejas , Mahadev for getting rid of ego and so on. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY YOUR LIFE'S GOALS AND ACCORDINGLY HAVE YOUR ISHTA DEVTA. Our scriptures advise us to pray only those deities which are capable of providing MOKSHA. This way, along with accomplishment of life's goals, you may achieve moksha in the end. Only pancha devtas (five deities) and their incarnations are capable of giving us moksha along with fullfillment of our life's goals. These are Bhagwan Vishnu, Bhagwan Mahadev, Bhagwan Ganapati, Devi Bhagwati and Bhagwan Surya. The best possible way to find out all about these deities and their qualities is to read Purana related to specific pancha devta like Bhagwatam for Vishnu, Shiva Purana for Mahadev, Devi Bhagwatam for any devi worship etc. So that you get to know about each deity and develop a sense of closeness to pick one as your ishta devta.
Answer to ur 2nd question:
First of all, before starting any sadhana/practice specially related to tantra. You should have proper Guru who is well established in tantra practices otherwise don't go for it by reading tantra books or internet surfing.
As far as I know, devi kavacham and argala stotram are not just literal words with meaning. They are sounds encoded with particular ENERGIES by Lord Brahma with the benediction of Bhagwati to receive benefits for various purposes. Energy takes it's form according to sadhakas "THOUGHTS" in mind with continuous repetitions. Both male and female can read Kavacham and Argala stotram as per my guru. Only bhava (भाव) i.e. thoughts in mind are important. Like in Kavacham, it reads "bhaaryaam rakshatu bhairavi" (भार्यां रक्षतु भैरवी) then you should imagine praying to devi for the protection of your male partner.
When a sadhika (female sadhak) takes sankalp for 31 days, during the menstrual cycle - days of sadhana are extended further to 5 days i.e. from 31 days it becomes 36 days. You should take a gap of 5 days and carry on further during menstrual cycle. Only a small prayer (क्षमा प्रार्थना) in your mother tongue should be conveyed to deity for the reasons in delaying your sadhana further. As you said, sankalp is never taken for 30 or 40 days. It is taken in odd numbers like 1,5,7,9,11,21,31,41,51 and so on.
Answer to ur 3rd question:
In tantra, there are many different versions of siddha kunjika stotram for different purposes like as per 1)Rudrayamala Tantra 2)Damar Tantra etc. Some are lost through history. You found different expanded versions of navarna mantra because of that. Siddha Kunjika Stotram given in Durga Saptashati is recommended for general public. Don't go for other versions without proper guru's guidance.
@@palavbhiva Thanx a lot
What about the last question, it is just as important
Thanx btw for this
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If u can ask precise question, I could answer more effectively about ur doubt.
There are no such differences I find in tantra for male and female sadhak. Except if u r doing a sadhana for pratyakshikaran siddhi (real time manifestation of any deity) (प्रत्यक्षीकरण सिद्धी). When manifestation takes place after successful completion of ur sadhana and deity is happy, a sadhak is asked to set up a relation between deity and him. There u can have siddhi of any male deity as your father, brother, husband or friend and in case of female deity, it is mother, sister or friend. In case of male sadhak, the relation is either wife, mother, sister or friend for any female deity. U can have this type of siddhi only for nimna koti (निम्न कोटि) devtas like apsara, yakshini, gandharva, kinnari, bhairav or bhairavi sadhana. Mahashaktis like Durga, Laxmi, Vishnu, Ganesh etc. do not manifest so easily. Never take sankalp for such deity's pratyakshikaran siddhi. Sadhak has to go through lots of dangerous situations in such cases.
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It's an ok kind of interview. It was like just a leaf of a huge tree is explained. Need some more depth. Anchor also shall learn something on Chola for quality questions.
What made different regarding agriculture?
Technology of creating lakes . Where water is stored. Knowledge of managing water is the game changer .
Edging in global Trading ?
Tamil Nadu is like current Singapore where Chinese and European met. There were business guild and corporate group which facilitates this.
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Call Parisalan for tamil history podcast, he is tamil dhasiyavathi. Who knows pretty much details about tamil history before the sangam and after the sangam period...
No
I'm also Tamil please don't believe that person he just speak conspiracy, not existential facts
Anna what if his conspiracies are correct..
Resident from telangana always makes connected to tamilnadu because of our history .because nearby our home a temple chaya someshwar temple built by cholas .temple is above the scientific mystery . Whenever we visit that temple always reminds me cholas &their kingdom because my uncle always taught us regarding them since our childhood .now watching /listening from someone makes me thank my mama who always teach us regarding our true indian history all are forgetting telugu because all other states taking pride in their language but it's hard to find in our youth of telangana even we should revive our language history and valor not hatred to any language just respect &concern towards mothertoungue which has more history that need to be told..
i'm also from telangana village cholawadi of present day mahaboobnagar dist. cholas are telugu we should rewrite history as they were telugu origin..