Yes! Yes! I asked a preacher once, if a man raped a child every day, and repented every day, was he going to heaven. And he said yes. So , as Christian, we can do anything to humanity as long as we repent it before we go to sleep. That's why I walked away from organized religion years ago.
Disgustingly wrong. That is not true repentance. Repentance is not in their heart. The Pastor, like so many today is interpreting the Bible to suit his ways rather than to suit God’s ways.
@@cowgirljane3316 God judges what is in our heart at the time we ask forgiveness. I believe if we sinning all we want, just because all we have to do is ask forgiveness, God knows that person is using him. Having said that, it’s hard to stop something that we feel is wrong. I tried for years to quit smoking cause I felt it was wrong. I couldn’t do it. Every night I would ask God to forgive me for being so weak. But then one day, I stopped and I stopped for Good. But God knew I really wanted to stop. I am not saying give church another try, but if you haven’t done it yet give God another try. He’s been by my side all my life, even if sometimes I wasn’t there best. We are not perfect, but God knows our hearts, he knows if we truly love him or if we are using him for gain.
The last church I went to stopped teaching Jesus and started teaching Trump. I’m not even remotely kidding about that. And Qanon started factoring in as well. That’s when I left the church forever. There’s absolutely no way I’ll ever go back. I didn’t leave God, tho. Just that cringy mess.
That's the reason I left the church. The pastor said unless we voted for trump we would go to hell . I left in the middle of the sermon. Now my son and I read the Bible together and pray together. No politician can tell me how to pray, or worship and no preacher should or can tell me how to vote.
@@barbaracarpenter1260I believe God smiles on strong women. Have you listened to The Bible Project or old Tim Keller podcasts? It's excellent exegesis you may find fruitful. Bless you, sister, and your son.
My final was relative to yours. If the christians in America are a true representative of christianity, the LAST thing I want is to live with them for all eternity😢
Then there's my little brother. My aunt called him the good one of us three kids.He gets up at 3:30am to get to work several hours early to pray and meditate.I would go walking with him in the early morning for the several weeks I was there.We would come across people he secretly helped...the guy who had s stroke and couldn't make his rent...my brother gave him an envelope stuffed with cash.Or the homeless guy who would pick through the trash cans...brother gave him one of those pole gripper things so he didn't have to reach in.I'm the only one who saw this, no one else knew.He did this stuff all the time.All the time.He is one of the real Christians in my book.
Former Sunday School teacher, choir member, Vacation Bible School director, volunteer for any and everything the church had going on, and pastor’s daughter here. The church I grew up in was nothing like the church I left a few years ago. While I am no longer a believer, I am still heartsick at how Evangelicalism has forgotten the good teachings of Jesus and evolved into a malignant movement I don’t even recognize.
@ Philthefisherofmen yes, for the one millionth time I have been asked this question. I was completely “sold out for Jesus” as we used to say. With all due respect back to you, this is just about the most condescending thing you can ask an ex Christian. Please do me and others like me the courtesy of believing us when we say we were true, Bible believing, spirit filled, born again Christians. My journey out of faith has not been easy but has been extremely rewarding. Coming to the realization that everything you’ve believed and held dear your whole life is mythology is a hard, brave thing to do. I notice you didn’t address the last statement I made about the state of Evangelical Christianity today. Are you satisfied with American Christians becoming Christian Nationalists and Trump cultists?
Your problem is you took your eyes off of Jesus (do not know if you ever kept your eyes on him) and put them on man. True Christianity is not immoral as you would have us believe. If you were filled with the Holy Spirit you would not be agnostic. So I really doubt you had a relationship with Jesus. God made it that when we point a finger at others ,3 of our own point back at us. It gets sickening to hear I am no longer a believer. You never were in the 1st place. Because if you were you would know the beautiful love of Jesus and how much He denied himself and was beat up more than any man,to redeem you to Pure love. Yes it is true where the sheep are ,there are also wolves who make believe they are Christians and try to destroy peoples faith. A person who has a pure heart and walks and lives in the spirit can thank the Good Lord. Church is not a denomination but where two or more are gathered in His name . The church is believers and Christ is the chief cornerstone. Sad to see such a bad title
@@pandiario1 I don’t have a problem, but thanks for trying, I guess. I don’t need a sermon and I came here to listen to Tim, not you. I promise not to try to convince you of anything and you can save yourself the trouble of trying to convince me. I’ve heard all of it before. And there IS such a thing as ex believers. Your hubris is astounding, but it really doesn’t offend me - I used to have the exact same beliefs.
@@Philthefisherofmen Continuing with answering the last first, all this got here through natural processes. No creator needed. Yes, I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist. More directly, I cannot be certain whether or not there is some sort of higher power or not, but if there is, I do not believe it will be even remotely like the god of the Bible. You’re an atheist when it comes to Odin, Osiris, Zeus, Allah, or Vishnu, correct? Why? Because you see no evidence for their existence, even though all of those gods have or once had sincerely devoted followers who testify to the reality of their deities with anecdotes galore. The difference between you and me is that after much study of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, and then learning the actual historical record of how Yahweh evolved over time from an obscure Canaanite tribal deity to the God Christians worship today, I realized there is no difference between God and Odin, Osiris, etc. Religion is a human construct people have always found useful because it is an avenue to wealth and power. I am a more moral person today than I was as a Christian. I am kinder. I am all those things because I want to be - not out any sense of duty or fear of displeasing god. I’m definitely a better listener. Less judgmental. More generous. I enjoy and appreciate life more than ever. Most of all, I have peace.
@@RuthZeeck Jesús is not a sham. You will find out on judgement day. I would be real careful because God says He gives people over to a Reprobate mind. Believing a lie they will be damned for eternity. The father of lies ,the devil has many people thinking all these different gods are the same. Jesus said true Religion is to help the orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted from this world,not for wealth and power. We are to take care of the poor share our wealth with those who are less fortunate. Being a Christian is to deny oneself. To live for God Almighty. You really were not a Christian if you say you are now more moral. No Holy Spirit in your church life,very sad indeed. Being born again means to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Many people play church but never had a real relationship with Jesus
I was a secretary for a large church for almost 25 years and a part of the "inner circle" and you are spot on! I hated it and so glad I finally got out! Thank you for your videos! They are awesome!
I can't do Church/Christian Culture; seen & been on the receiving end of too much hypocrisy & judgement/unacceptance. I had 2 years of Christian school forced on me & I was pretty lonely. Elizabeth: I'm glad that you ditched that job & so-called Christian environment.
About the verses you quoted from Acts 3 and suggested that the prophet (as in singular, not plural) Moses foretold Israel us was going to be "Christian ministers" is not accurate. The people Moses was saying this prophet would come from were the 12 tribes of Israel and that prophet was none other than Jesus Christ himself, who came out of the tribe of Judah, not a Christian apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher who came out of a seminary. In fact, Jesus rejected the "seminary graduates" of His day and I don't think He is pleased with many today who, like you once did, think they are "God's (unchallenged) voice" to their brothers and sisters in Christ. This is totally contrary to scripture. Jesus said His sheep would HEAR His voice, and through knowing and hearing His voice would thus follow Him, not ministers. The most prominent description of a Christian "church service" in scripture is found in 1 Corinthians 14. The prophets (Spirit-inspired speakers) were to be 2 or 3 in number and what they spoke was to be judged by those listening. No one got a free pass. The church was to determine if what they spoke was "the word of God" or not. The idea of a "pastor" monologuing to his "congregation for 30 min to an hour without any questions asked was not an early church practice (read Pagan Christianity). In fact, per the apostle Paul, any brother present in the assembly could "prophesy" (speak under interpretation)...as long as all things were "done decently and in order." Here you say you used to teach that ministers were this special prophet Moses spoke of, but it's not true. It's plain to see in context that Jesus Christ was that special prophet, and since He was the Son of God anyone who did not (does not) hear His word, not the minister's word, would be cut off from an eternal inheritance in His kingdom. Tho what I just typed is apostolic teaching few Christians can receive it. Why? Because their pastor is "the voice of God" to them, not the voice of Jesus himself. 😢
I was raised in the Pentecostal church many years ago and I am 78 years old now. It hurt me in ways I won't go into but although I rejected the religion and all religion as soon as I could leave home, I have never rejected God. My faith isn't always strong but I don't blame God for religion. And God is speaking out against it through you, through me and through others.
The Pentecostals in West Virginia mountains were the ONLY churches to stay open all 2020...nobody died from Covid or the snakes either!!! In the past the P. movement rescued many from emotional blocks risking their health and sanity. It's more corrupt and $$$ in cities. The old ones were Bible based and checked any emotionalism going nuts.
Same here. I spent 40 years in the evangelical church. I’m trying to search for what’s real, but it’s really hard to deprogram years of religion. I hate it.
@@AlanObrien-if4ie I think having to remain silent for over 40 years about what really goes on inside this institution takes years to process. The damage of brainwashing from infancy doesn’t fully go away, it is managed and expressed to overcome it. I am at times fascinated and maybe a little envious of those who were never in a religious system. ✌🏻😊
Just got to say. There are literally thousands of different denominations. And within them denominations there are thousands of different churches. Some are similar and some are completely different.
@@katiefountain2407 yes! I was part of 8 types. Weslyan, church of Christ in Christian Union, Nazarene, missionary alliance, Independent Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Community Church, Charismatic and final Reformed Bible Church (John MacArthur influence). All of them with corrupt leadership and a crazy theology / worldview! I wish I could get those 45 years of my life back……. But I am thankful I have the time to enjoy life free of the mental gymnastics…. 😊
We have to be In a healthy church and Jesus warned about wolves in sheep's clothing and that youl know them by their fruit.God is good just some people give him a bad name.
I remember hearing leaders apologizing with something like, "Sorry, I was 'in the flesh'." Apparently, you can toggle between "The Flesh" and "The Spirit" depending on circumstances, LOL.
They were not in the flesh. That's a very Manichean thing, black and white thinking. The irony is that a lot of times, people without that extreme Manichean thinking and scrupulosity are less likely to end up 'sinning'.
Yes, it speaks of that in the Word of God. (Galatians 5:13-21) "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. {14} For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. {15} But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. {16} This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. {17} For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. {18} But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. {19} Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, {20} Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, {21} Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
I have seen so many evangelical pastors leave the church. They felt they were betraying God and abusing their parishioners by using religion to hurt people. I am so proud to know them. They are noble wonderful humans.
Evangelicals will say that the reason so many pastors "fall from grace" is because Satan is specifically targeting them to sin more than your average Joe Christian. "Spiritual warfare." But I think your explanation is a lot more logical. :) It's is the psychological self-delusion that creates absolute hypocrites and moral monsters.
Real life Dominatrix here (25+ yrs). I stopped taking on conservatives, religious,& wall st bros as subs. They got pissed when rules would be applied to them (no sex of any type, i am never naked, cumming is for home), they would steal if I left the room, and their hatred for women (especially their own wives) would come out. Ewww. Dont badmouth your wife to me). They overall were unethical and believed rules dare not apply to them. Yet they want to be spanked (otk) tied up and cross dressed. So much self hating homosexual & egg-ness. They couldn't accept themselves as it conflicted w their feelings/belief of being superior to others. I liked and subbed because of this vid.
Yes!! Born on the pew. Reading the Bible since age 3. Salvation prayer at 7. Babtism at 12. Tongues at 13. Bible college at 18. Married a good evangelical boy at 20. Went into the ministry full time at 22. Birthed 4 babies by 26. Divorced by 27 due to minister husbands infidelity. Involved in intensive Bible based cult till 30. Out for 31 years. So much to say and have been saying since age 6. Continuing to tell my story to this day.
I’m still a Christian but very disillusioned with organized religion. Raised in the Baptist church and will never go back. There’s just so much “holier than thou” attitude and condemnation there. As Christians we should read the New Testament and listen to the teachings of Jesus.
God is "I am" churches say God is separate of you and they are not part of God which makes them not God, hmm what does that mean they are? And the ones that say they are God only or a certain person is God alone, are false prophets
I completely understand. I grew up going to a Presbyterian church. As a child, church was boring and I didn’t understood half of what he said. Sunday school was good and the teacher was obviously a Christian. I found Christianity was more alive in the inter-denominational holiday mission that came to where we went for holiday each year. I remember when the minister at my Presbyterian church was talking about the vote for amalgamation with other Protestant churches. He wanted the congregation to vote against it. I’d always been curious about why there were so many different churches so I made it my mission to find out and decided I wouldn’t join a church until I found the one with the truth. It did take years and to cut a long story short, I ended up joining the Adventist church because they followed the Bible and understood it. They were able to answer any of my questions, with bible references. I had a great pastor but after moving away and going to different locations, I am now finding a lot of the people in the church I started to attend most recently to be “exclusive”. I don’t feel part of it and haven’t been attending. It feels like a bit of a club. If you didn’t grow up in it you feel like you’re on probation. Maybe it’s just me. 🤷♀️ One thing I know is that I would never be part of a church that speaks in tongues. The bible talks about how that is only to be used in specific situations, or it does not come from God. I avoid those situations. I’ve been amongst it and it even feels evil. At one Bible study I was invited to by a friend a guy put his hand on my head and said he was going to pray for me to have the gift of tongues. The whole time , I prayed so hard that if this was what God wanted then I accept it but it didn’t feel right. Afterwards he said I had “resisted” it. I felt like I escaped something evil to be honest. They sounded possessed when they started speaking in tongues. They couldn’t tell me anything they had said to God. Their praise is like they’re on a high. They don’t even study the Bible. That was in someone’s home. The congregations I’ve seen seem to enjoy the music and the high. Not true, humble worship. I can completely relate to you. 😊
I’m a preacher’s kid. I watched everything, I paid attention and I haven’t been in a church in forever. You hit the real reason, it’s a business. My dad scrambled for tithe paying fools his entire career. The church is an abomination and the Bible is the user’s manual. Thanks!! Keep telling the truth.
I love this! I was an evangelical for about 12 years and can relate to all these videos and podcasts. Its fantastic to be out of that brain washing mind set.
1 Corinthians 13:13… the greatest of these is charity (love). I’m not a hardcore Christian but this went on my husband’s headstone. The best lesson I learned out of the whole book.
And they wonder why church attendance and membership has fallen so drastically. You don't have to get up early on Sunday and share your earnings with hypocrites to meet good people. This message is so accurate.
my mom keeps saying to go to church and i'll meet good people there. that there is a better chance than anywhere else. i laughed in her face. said no, there are people who claim no religion that are much better than the sort i have seen there. the only difference is being sanctimonious.
I walked away from going to church when the church elected Trump, but I didn’t walk away from God. I would be lost without him. But God wants to be chosen by the person, and if the person does not choose him, he accepts that choice, and if there is repercussions that’s up to God, no one else. I think the reason there is so much secrets in the church, is because if anyone in the church finds out, your looked upon as a lost sinner. Church is a judgement place, they took Gods role of judgement away from god.
I hope you find your way back to church. Maybe one day you can see like David the Lord can use men like Trump for his glory. That doesn't make him righteous, but the work he has to do is. The US is not ready for communism .
I walked away from the church way before then, but Trump is a definite reason why I would leave Christianity behind. These people are just incredibly dumb.
@@DorisGraves-j6vTrump is not the "Annoited " one chosen by God. He is not going to deliver you into Heaven. Evangelicals are trying to force the second coming. That is up to God, not for humans to decide.
@@DorisGraves-j6vThose in the Bible who were chosen by God had changed their ways and became righteous before serving Him. Do you think Trump has done this?
one thing I hate is they feel accountable only to the Lord and not to the people they hurt. They break a window, run away, pray for forgivenes, it is as if it never happened. Except the window is still broken and the owner has to pay for it. But the owner must forgive or they will not be forgiven
OK. So, you've never done anything wrong? Who are you accountable to? I understand you are talking about Christians that mistreat people, but you do it yourself. If you really want to understand. Christain have to forgive to keep their heart pure. Revenge belongs to God. No one gets away with anything.
@@BR-bi7okduring The sermon on the Mount Jesus explains that if we have wronged another or if they have something against us we should reconcile with them before going to worship.
My old pastor used to tell people to raise their hands (with all eyes closed and no one looking around... except him 😂) for this sin or that sin. Only later I realized that was his tactic for targeting "promiscuous" women he could cheat on his wife with. Finally he was caught with one woman he was "counseling through divorce". 😂
@@chapmaned24 nope. But disingenuous xtians putting words in my mouth is a pretty good one. The Bible being plagiarized from older myths is a good one. The fact that the Bible preaches a threemale patriarchal gawd who endorses slavery, misogyny and homophobia is a great one. A "loving gawd" who supposedly can drop food from heaven letting 10 THOUSAND children starve to death daily is a GREAT one. Hypocritical evangelical trumpers freed me from my childhood brainwashing with TOXIC religious hogwash. A bit of educating myself on skepticism and mythology ensured that I stay free of those poisonous lies.
@@chapmaned24 idk if UA-cam hid or deleted my response so I'll try again. Disingenuous xtians putting words in my mouth is a pretty good reason. A plagiarized holy text about a threemale patriarchal gawd who endorses slavery misogyny and homophobia is a really good reason. A supposedly loving gawd who can drop food from heaven but watches ten thousand children die of starvation DAILY is a GREAT reason. Hypocritical evangelical trumpers freed me from my childhood brainwashing with TOXIC religious hogwash after 40 yrs suffering obligatory xtian guilt shame and fear. Becoming an atheist and casting off that poisonous burden was TRULY like being born again. After educating myself a bit on skepticism and mythology, there's no way I would EVER go back to that hell. Look up the origin of Sargon the Great and tell me it doesn't sound familiar. If a PILLAR of xtianity like Moses is FAKE? IT'S ALL FAKE. And that's just one example. The entire NT is riddled with Homer's tropes.
Thanks for this video. Retired mainstream church pastor here. I always wondered how evangelicals reconciled this. I'm United Church of Christ...and I used to tell people that if there was no joy, there likely was no God.
Thanks, I ran into a self righteous born again Christian that kept up with bad behaviors because he thought forgiveness was one and done. No reason to try to do right
One lesson I learned from my life. Human beings, tell themselves on the surface, a lie to escape the consequences, but deep down know 😢that it is a lie.
Man, what a tragic mishandling of Scripture. Incredibly sad that he spent so much of his life in church and working in church and had no idea what the Bible actually said. Hope he can still be open to truth and realizes his lack of understanding before it's too late.
I've had a distaste for the Christian church for most of my adult life.... Just from interacting with people thru business. I always get a negative vibe, and it always turns out bad. As soon as someone tells me they're a Christian, I put up my guard. Shiesty! 🧙🏼♀️
the actual good ones seem rare. they exist tho. just like churches that are doing real work. what's ironic is that, if you believe in the end of days, i think a lot of 'christians' would be in for a surprise. there's a verse talking sort of about this but the iconic like from jesus was "i never knew you". total disown. but yeah basically people who weren't helping the poor and sick etc. and he called em on it.
Dear Christian friends disillusioned by the manipulation of scripture to suit political needs rather than stick to our forefathers wisdom of separation of church and state. I was born into a southern baptist family in Tennessee as a biological intersex baby. The doctor made the wrong call regarding my gender at birth and my family knew it. I was forced to wear a dress at christian school mocked and taunted by christian kids, excluded and shamed by their christian parents and whipped through third grade by christian teachers for masculine behavior I could not help. Tennessee has already removed my birth certificate last year forcing me back to gender at birth. Trump plans to enforce the Tennessee law nationally on tax paying working American Citizens born here just like me. What would Jesus do about this situation? The forced outings of paper work legal ID will affects thousands of people like me already in hiding just trying to live our life. Our life becomes more dangerous when the wrong people find out through forced outings. I will be unable to fly and airline as ID does not match internal and external presentation. Yet still I cling to those Red Letters of the New Testament. When the church said I wasn't; a christian for changing birth gender over 30 years ago, my mother said "They were not the ones who died on the cross for you."
@@michaelfox3486 I am so sorry. Sorry for human ignorance. Ignorance of science. Also my thoughts are if God created us, if we are God’s children then he loves us as we are, not what society wishes.
man i'm sorry you're dealing with that. intersex is complicated like that and making a decision that ends up being wrong. :/ it's not like you can tell with a baby. gotta wait a few years till the little one can talk and BE. yeah FL passed a law like that targeting transgendered people but it would affect people like yourself as well. : ( my mom didn't believe me that it was a thing. she thought maybe i was watching something extreme. ffs. she's not a trumplet but is evangelical. i told her that's practically a bad word now. but yeah, im in a lot of despair, not just in my situation but knowing what's coming, and also all the people who will be affected. and with crazier laws. the outting of children in school is *insane!* she didn't believe that one either and said "but that could put people in danger." i said "exactly. that's who these people are." i think jesus would disown large parts of the church and its people. and they, they would shun him for being a 'liberal'. it's a headfukk for sure. i hope one day there *is* a judgement, and accounting. i would like these hypocrites and bad folks to really see what they are. (i thought they had updated birth certificates to indicate intersex when they were not for certain on the dominant gender expression of a child. sounds from what you are saying that they just still "pick" one. i must've been too logical and the law never got there.) i'm hoping we can all hang in there.... until things can come back around. still hoping something saves us before jan. if not.... it may well be just enduring for 2yrs till midterms. also im glad i *never* took laws for granted and i have a practice of not being out at work. people laughed and scoffed but no. i grew up in the 80s and i will never trust human beings to be rational. the story of matthew sheppard scarred me. just thinking what he went through which ended in a terminal way. heaven help us in the coming times. i hope you have a support network to lean on, friends. we'll all need it. :/
The final straw for me with preachers, was when I learned a guy who was going into jails and prisons, singing songs about how he "used to wake up in a puddle of blood...but now Jesus is the only drink I need." And then, went home and got drunk with the next-door-neighbors. And then there's the one who ministers at the mission...when he isn't frequenting a local gay bar. That was part of what led to my walking away from my faith of 40 years. It's just not real.
Tmi.... im an escort, I occasionally meet up with a super famous pastor from Texas. 1 time he pissed me off because he 'accidentally' gave me less, he was reluctant to give me was he forgot to give me, so, I told him to give me the correct amount or I would expose him and he threatened to have me kXXXed. Ultimately he did sent it to me and blocked me afterwards.
These are the best “church” services I have ever sat in. Thank you Timmy for speaking the truth. The hypocrisy of my church leaders drove me out. I know what many of them did but when I divorced due to emotional and physical abuse I was sinning.
So, instead of challenging the doctrine, which is easy to do, you become an atheist? Divorce is allowed in Christianity. The Catholics got it wrong, and they passed it on to Protestants. Same with Communion. The reference is about a chicken dinner church banquet, not a thimble of grape juice and pizza bread...gluten free, of course.
You did the right thing by calling that abuse wrong & getting out of that situation. To this day, I'm disgusted with church leaders who try & keep women in those hellish situations. It's a form of callous misogyny. As the daughter who grew up in that, I will always distrust so-called "Christian Counselors" that are usually poorly-trained & are trauma-uninformed or trauma-insensitive.
So happy to find this channel. I also walked away from religion because the hypocrisy became to much . I live in Louisiana where some of these pastors are. You are so correct about the redemption aspect of their belief. People need to hear you. ❤
Verses I feel many Christian narcissists use to justify abuse of women, elderly and children... Matthew 10:37-39 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me." If your pastor quotes this often there's probably abused people sitting in the pews that have sought counseling and were told to forgive the abuser because he's serving the ministry.
you are right on the money. it's not just evangelical christianity; most cults share that same inequality. when you see a hierarchy, they usually lead to one human who cannot be questioned.
One time when I was in ministry, I was thinking about how we could be more of an “Acts 2 Church.” You know, an EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH, when they were REALLY Christian before the church got so screwed up! So, I’m digging around in the New Testament letters, and all of a sudden it dawns on me that the Church has ALWAYS been screwed up. It’s right there, in the Bible. Hiding in plain sight. I think there’s ONE New Testament letter where the letter writer is like, “You guys are doing a great job!” Every other letter, the writer is saying, “Guys. You’re effing this up. Stop sleeping with each other. Stop fighting about stupid stuff. Etc. Etc. Etc.” Even in the book of Acts, we get exactly ONE CHAPTER away from Peter explaining the whole Pastor thing, and BANG! Right off the bat, in Chapter 5, the Holy Spirit is smiting Ananias and Sapphira for stealing from the church till. And then apostles are arguing about what’s kosher and what’s not kosher. Whether they should let in that sort of person or this sort of person. St Peter is a bigot. St Paul is too woke. From the start, this Church experiment has not worked very well. If you want to do good, enjoy community, and eat a meal with friends, join Rotary or the Lions Club or something. And, another thing: Who ever thought putting ONE person on a pedestal and not questioning them was a good idea? Acts 3? Yeesh! There’s a lot of dumb organizational management advice in the Bible, but that passage is just ridiculous. Not only because, in some denominations, it makes the pastor absolutely powerful and likely to tilt toward corruption; but also because it makes the pastor (and the pastor’s spouse and kids, if they’re allowed to marry) profoundly isolated and lonely, and more likely to deal with the isolation in profoundly unhealthy, damaging ways. And there is another side to clergy scandals. Depending on the church, sometimes it’s the Church Board who pulls all sorts of power plays on the pastor. Will they get a cost of living raise or not? Are they visiting enough? Are they working enough hours? And a big one in this era of church decline: Are they bringing in new members? The pressure of congregational ministry is ridiculous, even in smaller to midsize churches-not just the mega-churches. Some pastors cope with this in healthy ways, like going to therapy. Some pastors are irresponsible with the pressure and hurt others. Watch the Ethan Hawke film “First Reformed” for a brilliant example of how this dynamic works. I came to the conclusion that the flaws of the church weren’t just the fact that the church is a “hospital for sinners.” From the get-go in the Book of Acts-the church itself is a “sinner factory.” That said, some churches are healthy in spite of this crazy model, but the majority of congregations I served were unhealthy. I am so, so glad to be out of it!
I think we miss the point of the Bible stories. Through all time and space people have misbehaved. If we follow the 10:Commandments we will have an easier healthier life. But it’s hard. We all fall short. It’s what the Bible tells us. Forgive. Pick yourself up and keep going. The church has it all wrong!
@@janegerow5974 I would have more respect for the 10 Commandments if they included prohibitions on slavery,r*pe and any other form of violence against the vulnerable.
Former pastor here. I grow up in the church, i've never heard of this idea before. The bible even says to confess your sins to each other as well. And to correct your brother when wrong. I'm no longer a believer, but this idea that they can deny their actions beause they prayed to god is a load of crap. Only a narcissist would latch on to this type of thinking.
Personally, it fits right in with what I see as a narcissistic obsession at the center of Christianity for many: the idea that Jesus died on the cross to save them personally.
Incorrect. Those who truly confess their sins and their faults, are humbling themselves before others and before God. And it brings healing and restoration. The very motivation of character that The Lord Jesus Christ showed to the mutlitudes in His earthly ministry. "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16) To call God a narcissist is a lie. God is Holy, Righteous, and Just in all His ways.
@@christophergibson7155 No, it's spot on. They didn't call God a narcissist. They said narcissists believe in God because they were created perfectly. And I daresay in God's image.
@@pauladuncanadams1750 That's off. Although God 's creation was "very good". (Genesis 1:31a)and that we are created in God's image and likeness (Genesis 1:26) and as human beings and not animals; Nevertheless mankind fell into sin starting in the Garden of Eden to this present day. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-" (Romans 5:12) And who are YOU in the light of your own sinful nature to judge God?
Sorry, I agree with expectedbs on this point. A narcissist most likely believes that Jesus died for "their" sins. But realistically, I guess that they wouldn't really care if you were included or not as long as they had status above you in heaven.
One of the big problems is that the Church follows Paul, not Jesus. Jesus said he will judge us on our love and compassion and how we responded to the least of these. He won't ask us what church we go to or even what religion we are. Or even if we said the Sinner's Prayer! His only criteria are to feed the hungry, clothe and house the poor, welcome the stranger, alien, immigrant. He's really going to get the trumpers on that last one.
I was raised in the evangelical church (not religious now) and was taught almost the same thing, except when you repent, you have to 1. Be genuinely remorseful, and 2. Intend on not doing it again. Then, the sin will be washed away. But if you do it repeatedly, you're not ACTUALLY remorseful, you're making a mockery of the lord, and the sin will not be forgiven.
Another great video, Timmy! These people are hypocrites, and being a moral person with a strong sense of Justice and right and wrong, it disgusts me what some of these so called 'holy' people are up to, leading double lives. They may think God has forgiven their sins and they are now as white as snow, but it's a cop out. Their hearts were never pure to begin with and never will be. Some sins are unforgivable.
I could write a book about the 'goings on' from several churches I have attended over the years. But I won't. I had my own problems that I have sought to make right.
@@Philthefisherofmen What is forgiveness? What's done is done. A stolen thing can be given back, but trust is harder to restore. Can someone be 'forgiven' of murder? It won't bring the deceased back. Forgiveness only eliminates the punishment. As for Hell, that is a made-up place. Eternity? Have you thought of what that means? Forever with no free will is supreme torture. Life is precious because it is finite.
My mother was a fundamentalist and the pastor of her church was seen as a “ godly man” etc. Anyway about twenty years ago I had a second job delivering pizza. I went to this house one night and rang the doorbell to deliver the pizza the house was having a huge party. When the door opened you could smell the pot smoke and there was girls with very short dresses on etc. There was bottles all over the coffee table and in the middle of two very scandalous looking women sat the preacher of my moms church. He was drunk as hell and had one of his hands on the knee of one of the girls. He was a hellfire brimstone preacher too. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Do you know who Jordan Maxwell is?? The conspiracy guy?? Anyway he’s pretty interesting and I’m definitely skeptical about a lot of his stuff yet he does know a lot about esoteric type stuff. Anyway my point is that he was saying on a UA-cam video of his that he has a friend down in Miami or someplace like that. This friend of his owns a whole chain of liquor stores. Anyway his friend told him about once a month Paul and Jane Crouch use to pull up in this van and buy boxes and boxes of cases of liquor. Tell me that’s not funny. Lol.
Yes, I realize the hypocrisy runs so high for these false preachers and teachers. Living the double life. But of course God will not be mocked. Whatever a man sows (good seed or bad seed) that shall he also reap. (Galatians 6:7) Nevertheless, Jesus Himself said He would build His church. (Matthew 16:18b) All the hypocrites and wolves will be rooted out and fall away. And Jesus will do the house cleaning. (Matthew 3:12) No uncleaness will remain.. I don't know how far that day is from now. But I would believe the clean up is happening as I write this.
@ You get your logic from a book where people live to be 900 years old and snakes talk to people and women get pregnant by angels and people split the ocean in half with a stick??
@@Scorned405 The women getting pregnant by angels I don't buy. I know that is a rather hot topic right now. Angels are spirit beings created by God, and they can't have sexual relations. Here's what Jesus said to touch on that..."For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:30) Yet all the amazing signs in the Word of God, The Holy Bible are valid and true. And the greatest miracle is the new birth. The born again experience by the Spirit of God that Jesus told us about in John 3:3,5,7. I know, because I have experienced it myself first hand.
The hypocrisy of others is always a n issue. So, you don't jump when others say jump. But what on earth or in heaven does that have to do with Christ. Most evangelism is sin centered. Not Christ centered.
In this they have a little in common with Jesuits and manipulation of forced confessions, and the more atheistic totalitarian regimes. Everybody is guilty of something. Appealing to self centered independence of liberal or capitalist peoples. The family oriented properties owner. Stealing from the larger good. This is why Bolshevick communism and those like it, we're thought of as Judeo Christian heresies. The inquisitional techniques learned. Maybe not nearly extreme. But none of this has to do with the true nature of sin and redemption from it.
A Christian is a person who has encountered God and been spiritually changed by God. God forgives their sins and gives them a new Heart and New Spirit to obey Him. So many church goers and self professing Christians and pastors have not been spiritually changed. They don't have the Holy Spirit, therefore, it is easy for them to end up like you. Without the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, no one can live an authentic God strengthening forgiven life. You can live a religious life, but that is not the same thing.
God can change you and he can change you back. The ones who are not changed in the same way as others deny the change in those others and deny the will of god. Let god work on them, stay out of his way, quit meddling with his plan and be quite sure you can tell when you are the one he is talking to you and that you listen. Naw, that will never work.
What to do with my grief as I learn to accept this new truth ? I'm devastated after learning the truth. I truly believed for 50 years. In the past 2 I've learned the truth. Now it's like I'm grieving the death of a dearly loved family member except they never really existed. I have severe PTSD. I have no family or friends bcuz I've spent my whole life people pleasing and ended up in abusive relationships. This level of depression is bigger than anything I've ever known. Can anyone else relate or understand? Idk what to do with all of this. I think about death all the time. I don't want to die. I want to live again and feel joy again
Give yourself time. It takes time. Find a secular therapist if possible. Look for friends in the secular communities. Be good to yourself and believe me that you have courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what you, I, and many of us fellow Christians did and continue to learn.I miss the church because of the fellowship. I still fellowship with my Christian friends and family but I don't share this with them. It's not a good place to be honest and it's not a safe place to be honest but I have athiest/ agnostic friends where I can be free to be honest.
@kimmullins337 Don't give up hope. I can't remember who it was, but I read a book authored by one of the former lead singers of the rock band Kansas. He wrote the song Carry On. He was on his spiritual journey seeking. One thing he noted was that every religion acknowledged a Jesus. Even atheists when they use that name as a cuss word. There is something about that name.
Pastors are repressed, watched, held as godlike. Turns out just humans like everyone else. There profession dictates they lie to themsrlves and everyone else.... Caveat...there are some truly good people who are pastors. Some humble, well intentioned men and women.
Actually they are probably more driven to "sin" than most, and that's why they choose their job as ministers. They want someone or something to control them because they can't control themselves.
I used to live in Palm Springs. Late at night, the only thing on was Jim and Tammy Baker. She'd cry her eyes out, and with all that makeup on, the black would run down her face. I saw her in the grocery store once, surrounded by fans. I enjoyed this video because you point out just how immoral Christians can be. Thanks, Timmy. I hope you have a great day.
@@sunshineinarizona1726 I would vacation at PTL with my grandparents. Got to watch a filming of their show in person. That makeup was something else! lol 😂
@@Agonostic Makeup might be tacky to you but it is not a scandal, She was ahead of her time in acceptance of gay individuals. Why are women held to a different scandal or judging.
What’s going on? The epidemics of narcissism, entitlement, the perception of them themselves being “special” and if they’ve”sin”? Repent and all is well. Put that together with knowing how they can control others? You have a new sub my dear…. I’m a long-retired Catholic, agnostic, who researched Dominionism and NAR…Back in the olden days of 2007-14…when we were told we were crazy and fearmongering, “you’ve lost your mind if you think these people will ever have any power…or support Donald Trump? Get help Elaine…you’ve lost it!” Yea, well…🤷🏼♀️😔. The Unholy frauds and grifters are returning. God help us all…
In Judaism, true repentance (teshuva) is resolving never to do it again, making amends, AND testing your commitment. Regret and confession is only half of it. If you're just going to sin again later, that's not true repentance, and that's the unfortunate thing I see among Christians.
Very observant! The real problem with Evangelicals is that they follow Paul's doctrines rather than Jesus' teachings. But that doesn't mean that there is no God. It just means that the evangelical religion is off track.
Yes you’re right. This doesn’t mean there is no god. The complete lack of evidence for a god leads us to the conclusion that there is no good reason to believe that there is a god.
idk my mom and her church consider themselves evangelicals but they DO go off jesus's teachings. (also most of her church is infested with redhat types. she loved the church but said lately it's kind of unbearable.)
Dumpie is in the brotherhood…now I get it, You are so fun. Loved it. I have been wanting to know more about this. I knew they were profound hypocrites when I was about 13. Used to confront them at church. Thank you
I never belonged to a church and never believed most of what people were saying and preaching. It just never sat right with me and so many people seemed like hypocrites. And like you said the louder they got the more they looked guilty to me
I was hyperactive, was misunderstood, judged, even kicked out of 2 different church-linked programs. Looking back, I realized that I was in a hostile & toxic environment that was a poor fit for me. My own mom made me feel shame & dislike myself. I cannot trust any other Christian but 3 people. Yeah. Plus, the church is not very supportive of leaving an abusive home. I'm bitter against the staff for trying to trap my mom, brother & I in a bad home.
I find it hard to not get angry at family members when they become pressing ,but hear I am sitting in my van having coffee because I got kicked out of the house..lol
I got kicked out of a house for telling someone pride was the reason her friend committed suicide. Saved her life, but she totally pushed me out at the time. I can only imagine the very small issue you were removed for, but people are terrible and that's why there will be a judgement day. ;)
@@fatalheart7382 Bro, _really_ ? You have no idea. As a person who lost a sibling to suicide, I can tell you that saying something like that to a person who has experienced this kind of loss is a vile thing to do. Keep your despicable judgment and your ignorant opinion to yourself the next time you are in the company of anyone who has lost someone in this way. Flat out, you definitely WTAH in that situation. You more than deserved to be pushed away by the person whom you deliberately hurt. I hope you can learn from this and apologize to them.
@@barbarasmith2693 I read her heart and it absolutely was pride. It saved her life because she was blaming herself. I don't need your contempt for being a hero. While she was pushing me out of the house, she was going through things in her mind and talking out loud, and came to the conclusion as she pushed me out of the house. Your judgment means nothing to me because she is still alive. Enjoy your days.
Forgiveness is such an important topic. It is biblical. The problem seems to be that the forgiveness stops at the boundaries of the church. There is no forgiveness for other people that are outside those walls. That, seems to me, to be the biggest problem.love and blessings to all.
Power corrupts. Even good people can be corrupted. Churches give too much power & authority to too few men. While also teaching them that God will forgive anything if they repent! But complete spiritual forgiveness can equal zero accountability. Then church members hand over their cash & their children to these powerful men. It’s a recipe for corruption.
Imagine every week being in the church and constantly had to listen ‘YOU are a SINNER’ from the so-called pastors or elders or the tops, as if these were the better ones than us😅
Haha oh I'm so glad I stumbled across this video. 😅 you're awesome and thanks for spreading the word. This is something I have seen and knew for a long time but love hearing it from your perspective. I will add ,even if some of these ministers aren't actively " sinning" they can be so bottled up with bitterness and anger " shackled" by their strict morality , that they will treat everyone else with a iron fist. Live in shame. I grew up in shame and guilt even though I was a very decent person. I finally had to walk away from all that judgement and trying to find myself for the first time. Loved your video and experience
This video is about "religious hypocrites." You know who else talked a lot about religious hypocrites the same way for exactly the same reasons? Jesus did. And they killed him for it. I think that about sums up the relationship between this kind of behavior and Jesus himself.
Back in my church days I really liked the pastor and spent a lot of time with him just talking in his office (non denomination). Well, it came out that he was having an affair and the entire church thought it was me. I was devastated that he had to leave the church. It was some other girl he was hooking up with and he was in a long term marriage. I was going through a divorce at the time and that's why I spent so much time talking with him. My husband that I was divorcing thought it was me too and confronted him in a grocery store 🙄 That was all eons ago. Just thought of it with the topic. It was a small town and I got dirty looks for so long 😂 All the judgmental people first to cast their stones at somebody innocent.
Sorry you went through that! It would be best if the church was more transparent AND held each other accountable. But alas, it is just another business or club.
Thanks for your truth. It's hard to break away from this brainwashing. I give credit to all former believers who are able to become an independent thinker. So much evil in the name of religion!
Thank you for telling the truth. The way humans have twisted the man made Bible to justify their bad behavior is stunning. When I read the Old Testament it was crazy how god told them constantly what to do with their multitude of wives and servants was enough for me to question the rest of the book. Great Story Book
I'm very similar. I was raised as a "Christian". Raised by my Grandmother who was UBER Christian. Started 3 churches etc. I studied The Bible in great detail, and then went on to study it's origins and creation. THAT is exactly why I'm no longer "Christian" Because I learned what they are teaching is all bullsh!t. Many of them are teaching Anti-Christ-ianity. One of my favorites, is to point out this passage... Matthew 25:41-45 41...Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. That is not a "suggestion". That is a COMMAND by the "Savior" they claim to love.
@TheSapphireSprit 100%! Most "Christians" don't even know that "Jesus" wasn't even His real name. The name "Jesus" didn't even appear for the first time until 1638 AD. 1600 years after His death & resurrection. I not sure why anyone would feel the need to alter His name(although I do have a pretty good idea why😉)
How very conveeeenient! I'm a Catholic and when you go and confess you are given so many Our Father's and Hail Marys , and then the priest says "go and sin no more". That's a caveat they forgot in the Evangelical rule book. They point fingers at other churches, hey don't look at me, look over there. It's true we've all sinned, but most of us don't delude ourselves that God said your A-okay in my book. You've told me about it so keep going. I don't see how they justify it.
Thanks for the laughs because I’m in the deconstruction process and sometimes I’m super pissed off at the corruption in all religions! Speaking the truth brother.💖
Hello Timmy. Thank you for your videos, i was born into a Catholic household and was religious for a while then I found Profet Of Zod and my life changed for the better. I love your sense of humor.
I have so many thoughts but primarily I want to know are you talking about Church of the Highlands in Birmingham (that’s where I’m from). If so I want to know if you are aware that they have a multi-million dollar facility where where they “council” these pastors who do things like this - they bring them here from all over the country - and then place them in new churches that are completely oblivious and shun anyone who says anything about it.
During the depression my dad's family struggled to eat. He said every Sunday the preacher would come and eat way more than the children were allowed. Dad always said he knew as a boy of 6 the guy wasn't God fearing man. He called him a mooch 😂
I am not religious I have this way since a child visiting different friend's churches. I couldn't get over the hypocrisy, the judgment. I do, however, believe in something bigger, and that is in all of us LOVE❤️
My evangelical brother and his wife stole 100k from me used our parents as a bank they think if they ask Jesus for forgiveness then it's all OK to spend there ill gotten gains they asked Jesus to forgive them
Speaking as a former evangelical myself who was headed into the ministry, the core problem with any fundamentalist religion of any stripe is this: Literalism is the language of childhood. Becoming an adult requires moving beyond literalsm into the ability to think in terms of metaphor. Most of what the church teaches as literal history is better understood as metaphor for internal processes.
A Christian relative gave me a book by Ravi Zacharias (The Real Face of Atheism) a year or two ago trying to argue that atheism is wrong. I started reading it and it was a terrible book. It was full of straw man arguments against science and was primarily one big argument from consequence, that we need Christianity to keep the world from falling into depravity. Well, apparently it didn't work for Ravi.
So when Christians accuse atheists of only disbelieving in God because they want to sin - that is basically just their projection. Every time, I swear to God.
I am Catholic and there is no such a thing as "I didn't do it" in the Catholic doctrine. It is different from the Protestants/Evangelicals. Sin is like dirt in your soul. If you confess to a priest (face to face) the sin will be forgiven but you will face the consequences of the act. That is why Catholic Church believe in the Purgatory. You will remain there till your purge your sins because it will be unbearable to be in front of Perfection in state of sin. On top of that, if somebody asked if you have done something (a sin) and you lie, go back to confession cause lying is another sin. You are not supposed to lie. There is no such a thing as "the sin has never happened". One more thing, if you sin and don't feel guilt you don't love the Lord as you should. It is not a game. It seems to me that in Protestantism, in the Evangelical churches, etc, there are a patchwork of Bible interpretations.
Purgatory. Oh, yeah, the place where all those babies who used to be in "limbo" got shuffled to when the Catholic church decided that the concept of Limbo for dead infants wasn't cool anymore. LOL
I agree with you partly. Born and raised RCC. Born again at 18. Went to most Protestant churches and found they are all Catholic wannabe's. The whole of Christianity is marred with horrible, demonic acts against humanity and the corruption continues till this day with little to no accountability and no repercussions. Add to that, there is corruption and lack of accountability in every sector of society! These could be the very last of the last days. And I do agree with you, if you sin against the FATHER, it should make you sick, hurt your heart. HE gives us perimeters to keep us safe in this Valley of the Shadow of Death. Peace
Ditto in Eastern Orthodox Christianity. You cannot be free of the consequences of your wrongdoings, whether in this life or after. Only evangelical Christianity seems to suffer from this spirit of 'I don't think that I need to face the music' for whatever.....
The problem with the so called scandals is Christianity's foolish and shortsighted views on Sexuality, Marriage etc. I just discussed this with a still evangelical friend of mine who was lamenting that he is not married or does not have kids. In order to be legitimate or acceptable to them you must be married with kids in a monogamous heterosexual marriage. You must fit into this little box in order to be considered 'legitimate':. It is such an idiotic and short sighted view not taking into account the fact that more than half of marriages end for one reason or another and that not everyone can or should be a parent over a child. The fact is humans are really not designed (if you want to use that word) for lifelong unions. In our evolutionary past our ancestors moved in nomadic groups and raised children as a group. The whole marriage thing came about in order to control women's reproduction and guarantee the paternity of children.
Your timing on this topic couldn’t be better. Just last night it was reported that a large church in my area, Gateway Church DFW, removed/fired 4 elders. Due to sexual abuse that has BEEN ONGOING yet no one previously reported. 🙄It’s atrocious what these “organizations” are able to do/cause, and damage they do.
Interesting. Im a Gnostic Christian. Left the institutions years ago. I had a vision of a fault line starting from right below Dallas going straight up to NY. Lots going on in TX.
Yes and because we want to give everyone the 'benefit of the doubt', behaviors go unchecked. I had a pastor make a sexual pass at me. I am from the North, he is a Southerner. I assumed maybe he didn't know what that meant. (He had shook my hand and scratched the middle of my palm. Where I come from that meant you wanted to have sex with the person!) I asked a friend who I knew had been pretty worldly in the past if she knew what it meant. Sure enough, she knew! I still CONvinced myself that the pastor would never do that to me. He was married. I was married. I NEVER gave him a hint that I was interested. But then at a later event when I was pregnant he made a creepy comment about me. I told my husband and we left the church. It was really starting to click with us, that there was ZERO accountability in ANY churches. And we see that now in every sector of society.
@@timmygibsonkcit happens in all religions. We also had a head conservative rabbi at one of largest affluent synagogues who abruptly up and left it all - to run away w/his much younger mistress. Leaving his wife and 4 young sons alone w/nothing.🙄 I’m agnostic from a very young age, but still find all religions very interesting. So, I always enjoy your perspective coming from your vast experiences.
Yes! Yes! I asked a preacher once, if a man raped a child every day, and repented every day, was he going to heaven. And he said yes. So , as Christian, we can do anything to humanity as long as we repent it before we go to sleep. That's why I walked away from organized religion years ago.
Oh wow, what crazy twisted thinking. Ain't it?
Exactly
Disgustingly wrong. That is not true repentance. Repentance is not in their heart.
The Pastor, like so many today is interpreting the Bible to suit his ways rather than to suit God’s ways.
He actually told you that church has no God, God is everyone, if not they are part of the devil than.
@@cowgirljane3316 God judges what is in our heart at the time we ask forgiveness.
I believe if we sinning all we want, just because all we have to do is ask forgiveness, God knows that person is using him.
Having said that, it’s hard to stop something that we feel is wrong. I tried for years to quit smoking cause I felt it was wrong. I couldn’t do it. Every night I would ask God to forgive me for being so weak. But then one day, I stopped and I stopped for Good. But God knew I really wanted to stop. I am not saying give church another try, but if you haven’t done it yet give God another try. He’s been by my side all my life, even if sometimes I wasn’t there best. We are not perfect, but God knows our hearts, he knows if we truly love him or if we are using him for gain.
The last church I went to stopped teaching Jesus and started teaching Trump. I’m not even remotely kidding about that. And Qanon started factoring in as well. That’s when I left the church forever. There’s absolutely no way I’ll ever go back. I didn’t leave God, tho. Just that cringy mess.
Check out Trump's spiritual advisor...100+% nut case...
Crazy. One of the world's most immoral human beings. I don't get it.
Even the very elect shall be.... 😔.
That's the reason I left the church.
The pastor said unless we voted for trump we would go to hell .
I left in the middle of the sermon. Now my son and I read the Bible together and pray together.
No politician can tell me how to pray, or worship and no preacher should or can tell me how to vote.
@@barbaracarpenter1260I believe God smiles on strong women. Have you listened to The Bible Project or old Tim Keller podcasts? It's excellent exegesis you may find fruitful. Bless you, sister, and your son.
23:47 is EXACTLY WHY I’M here! That was the last straw for me as a confused Christian. They supported trump. Hypocrisy
My final was relative to yours. If the christians in America are a true representative of christianity, the LAST thing I want is to live with them for all eternity😢
Amen
I kept my faith, but quit the GOP for life. 💙💙
The single most horrible sin of all, huh?
@@placeholder4216 hypocrisy at that level is certainly a sin.
"You will know them by their fruit." All the fruit I saw in church was rotten.
True, but if you live long enough, you will see every person is a hypocrite in one way or another.
Yup. Teachings of Christ are awesome. Organized religion is not.
@@InvisibleWarrior279 Teachings of christ aren't so great either. For one, he tells me to hate my family members Luke 14: 26
@spirals73 And where did you get that creative interpretation from? The verse is very clear, even theologians have trouble reconciling the verse.
Talking about the original text which was written in Greek and/or Aramaic.
Then there's my little brother. My aunt called him the good one of us three kids.He gets up at 3:30am to get to work several hours early to pray and meditate.I would go walking with him in the early morning for the several weeks I was there.We would come across people he secretly helped...the guy who had s stroke and couldn't make his rent...my brother gave him an envelope stuffed with cash.Or the homeless guy who would pick through the trash cans...brother gave him one of those pole gripper things so he didn't have to reach in.I'm the only one who saw this, no one else knew.He did this stuff all the time.All the time.He is one of the real Christians in my book.
He does sound good. The real test is how you treat immigrants and transgender ppl.
That's the kind of Stuff Jesus would do 😉
That’s very nice……but the thing is one does not need to be a Christian or has ever read the old Bible, to be a decent, moral, human person!
Many people never even get to meet a person like your brother. What a blessing to have him in your life!
Former Sunday School teacher, choir member, Vacation Bible School director, volunteer for any and everything the church had going on, and pastor’s daughter here. The church I grew up in was nothing like the church I left a few years ago.
While I am no longer a believer, I am still heartsick at how Evangelicalism has forgotten the good teachings of Jesus and evolved into a malignant movement I don’t even recognize.
@ Philthefisherofmen yes, for the one millionth time I have been asked this question. I was completely “sold out for Jesus” as we used to say.
With all due respect back to you, this is just about the most condescending thing you can ask an ex Christian. Please do me and others like me the courtesy of believing us when we say we were true, Bible believing, spirit filled, born again Christians. My journey out of faith has not been easy but has been extremely rewarding. Coming to the realization that everything you’ve believed and held dear your whole life is mythology is a hard, brave thing to do.
I notice you didn’t address the last statement I made about the state of Evangelical Christianity today. Are you satisfied with American Christians becoming Christian Nationalists and Trump cultists?
Your problem is you took your eyes off of Jesus (do not know if you ever kept your eyes on him) and put them on man. True Christianity is not immoral as you would have us believe. If you were filled with the Holy Spirit you would not be agnostic. So I really doubt you had a relationship with Jesus. God made it that when we point a finger at others ,3 of our own point back at us. It gets sickening to hear I am no longer a believer. You never were in the 1st place. Because if you were you would know the beautiful love of Jesus and how much He denied himself and was beat up more than any man,to redeem you to Pure love. Yes it is true where the sheep are ,there are also wolves who make believe they are Christians and try to destroy peoples faith. A person who has a pure heart and walks and lives in the spirit can thank the Good Lord. Church is not a denomination but where two or more are gathered in His name . The church is believers and Christ is the chief cornerstone. Sad to see such a bad title
@@pandiario1 I don’t have a problem, but thanks for trying, I guess. I don’t need a sermon and I came here to listen to Tim, not you. I promise not to try to convince you of anything and you can save yourself the trouble of trying to convince me. I’ve heard all of it before. And there IS such a thing as ex believers. Your hubris is astounding, but it really doesn’t offend me - I used to have the exact same beliefs.
@@Philthefisherofmen Continuing with answering the last first, all this got here through natural processes. No creator needed. Yes, I consider myself an Agnostic Atheist. More directly, I cannot be certain whether or not there is some sort of higher power or not, but if there is, I do not believe it will be even remotely like the god of the Bible. You’re an atheist when it comes to Odin, Osiris, Zeus, Allah, or Vishnu, correct? Why? Because you see no evidence for their existence, even though all of those gods have or once had sincerely devoted followers who testify to the reality of their deities with anecdotes galore. The difference between you and me is that after much study of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, and then learning the actual historical record of how Yahweh evolved over time from an obscure Canaanite tribal deity to the God Christians worship today, I realized there is no difference between God and Odin, Osiris, etc. Religion is a human construct people have always found useful because it is an avenue to wealth and power.
I am a more moral person today than I was as a Christian. I am kinder. I am all those things because I want to be - not out any sense of duty or fear of displeasing god. I’m definitely a better listener. Less judgmental. More generous. I enjoy and appreciate life more than ever. Most of all, I have peace.
@@RuthZeeck Jesús is not a sham. You will find out on judgement day. I would be real careful because God says He gives people over to a Reprobate mind. Believing a lie they will be damned for eternity. The father of lies ,the devil has many people thinking all these different gods are the same. Jesus said true Religion is to help the orphans and widows in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted from this world,not for wealth and power. We are to take care of the poor share our wealth with those who are less fortunate. Being a Christian is to deny oneself. To live for God Almighty. You really were not a Christian if you say you are now more moral. No Holy Spirit in your church life,very sad indeed. Being born again means to be filled with the Holy Ghost. Many people play church but never had a real relationship with Jesus
I was a secretary for a large church for almost 25 years and a part of the "inner circle" and you are spot on! I hated it and so glad I finally got out! Thank you for your videos! They are awesome!
Thank you so much Elizabeth!
I can't do Church/Christian Culture; seen & been on the receiving end of too much hypocrisy & judgement/unacceptance. I had 2 years of Christian school forced on me & I was pretty lonely. Elizabeth: I'm glad that you ditched that job & so-called Christian environment.
I was also a secretary at a fairly sizable church for 10 years. I’ve been out for 15 years now and I’m still struggling to deprogram. 😢
Same here. Clerk for the council drove me out of the church.
About the verses you quoted from Acts 3 and suggested that the prophet (as in singular, not plural) Moses foretold Israel us was going to be "Christian ministers" is not accurate. The people Moses was saying this prophet would come from were the 12 tribes of Israel and that prophet was none other than Jesus Christ himself, who came out of the tribe of Judah, not a Christian apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor or teacher who came out of a seminary. In fact, Jesus rejected the "seminary graduates" of His day and I don't think He is pleased with many today who, like you once did, think they are "God's (unchallenged) voice" to their brothers and sisters in Christ. This is totally contrary to scripture.
Jesus said His sheep would HEAR His voice, and through knowing and hearing His voice would thus follow Him, not ministers.
The most prominent description of a Christian "church service" in scripture is found in 1 Corinthians 14. The prophets (Spirit-inspired speakers) were to be 2 or 3 in number and what they spoke was to be judged by those listening. No one got a free pass. The church was to determine if what they spoke was "the word of God" or not. The idea of a "pastor" monologuing to his "congregation for 30 min to an hour without any questions asked was not an early church practice (read Pagan Christianity). In fact, per the apostle Paul, any brother present in the assembly could "prophesy" (speak under interpretation)...as long as all things were "done decently and in order."
Here you say you used to teach that ministers were this special prophet Moses spoke of, but it's not true. It's plain to see in context that Jesus Christ was that special prophet, and since He was the Son of God anyone who did not (does not) hear His word, not the minister's word, would be cut off from an eternal inheritance in His kingdom.
Tho what I just typed is apostolic teaching few Christians can receive it. Why? Because their pastor is "the voice of God" to them, not the voice of Jesus himself. 😢
I was raised in the Pentecostal church many years ago and I am 78 years old now. It hurt me in ways I won't go into but although I rejected the religion and all religion as soon as I could leave home, I have never rejected God. My faith isn't always strong but I don't blame God for religion. And God is speaking out against it through you, through me and through others.
The Pentecostals in West Virginia mountains were the ONLY churches to stay open all 2020...nobody died from Covid or the snakes either!!! In the past the P. movement rescued many from emotional blocks risking their health and sanity. It's more corrupt and $$$ in cities. The old ones were Bible based and checked any emotionalism going nuts.
Amen to that, especially the last part 🌟
Same here. I spent 40 years in the evangelical church. I’m trying to search for what’s real, but it’s really hard to deprogram years of religion. I hate it.
I won’t walk away from God. I just don’t worship the leaders or the church.
Yes! Same here.
100% true! Former worship leader here! Will never attend a church again. The alternate reality is truly unhealthy.
Fair play bro ,just get on with your life ,and just be glad your out of the nonsense,
@@AlanObrien-if4ie I think having to remain silent for over 40 years about what really goes on inside this institution takes years to process. The damage of brainwashing from infancy doesn’t fully go away, it is managed and expressed to overcome it. I am at times fascinated and maybe a little envious of those who were never in a religious system. ✌🏻😊
Just got to say. There are literally thousands of different denominations. And within them denominations there are thousands of different churches.
Some are similar and some are completely different.
@@katiefountain2407 yes! I was part of 8 types. Weslyan, church of Christ in Christian Union, Nazarene, missionary alliance, Independent Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Community Church, Charismatic and final Reformed Bible Church (John MacArthur influence). All of them with corrupt leadership and a crazy theology / worldview! I wish I could get those 45 years of my life back……. But I am thankful I have the time to enjoy life free of the mental gymnastics…. 😊
We have to be In a healthy church and Jesus warned about wolves in sheep's clothing and that youl know them by their fruit.God is good just some people give him a bad name.
Didn’t the rapist say he has never asked for forgiveness?
yes unfortunately he did
He did said that
He said he never did anything to be forgiven for.
Do they ever ask for forgiveness?
Yes! He did. Frankly, I think he just wanted a remake of the Moral Majority that backed Ronald Reagan.
I remember hearing leaders apologizing with something like, "Sorry, I was 'in the flesh'." Apparently, you can toggle between "The Flesh" and "The Spirit" depending on circumstances, LOL.
@@bbellefson yes!
They were not in the flesh. That's a very Manichean thing, black and white thinking. The irony is that a lot of times, people without that extreme Manichean thinking and scrupulosity are less likely to end up 'sinning'.
No but we all do and must apologize when we do
Not a church or pastor I care to hear in the United States. The Bible is much deeper than the "king james version".
Yes, it speaks of that in the Word of God. (Galatians 5:13-21) "For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. {14} For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. {15} But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. {16} This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. {17} For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. {18} But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. {19} Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, {20} Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, {21} Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
I have seen so many evangelical pastors leave the church.
They felt they were betraying God and abusing their parishioners by using religion to hurt people.
I am so proud to know them. They are noble wonderful humans.
Evangelicals will say that the reason so many pastors "fall from grace" is because Satan is specifically targeting them to sin more than your average Joe Christian. "Spiritual warfare." But I think your explanation is a lot more logical. :) It's is the psychological self-delusion that creates absolute hypocrites and moral monsters.
@@brianfreeman6226 I used to say that kind of BS back in the day! Such bull!
Why is there god so weak
the better question is why is human reasoning so weak within certain religions?
@vladg8983 Is it your view that a "strong" God would forcefully make someone behave?
...their hate/despise for catholics is kinda disturbing, and I not even catholic.
Oh my gosh...you're authentic honesty is REFRESHING for an ex- evangelical pastor! 💯🎯
Thank you Kristen!
Real life Dominatrix here (25+ yrs). I stopped taking on conservatives, religious,& wall st bros as subs. They got pissed when rules would be applied to them (no sex of any type, i am never naked, cumming is for home), they would steal if I left the room, and their hatred for women (especially their own wives) would come out. Ewww. Dont badmouth your wife to me). They overall were unethical and believed rules dare not apply to them. Yet they want to be spanked (otk) tied up and cross dressed. So much self hating homosexual & egg-ness. They couldn't accept themselves as it conflicted w their feelings/belief of being superior to others. I liked and subbed because of this vid.
That is interesting.
That is wild. Thank you for sharing this.
Very interesting. And after a moment of thought, not surprising. Thank you for your comments.
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Thank you for your work. Wow. You’re my hero!
They treat their religion like a reusable get out of jail free card
Yes!! Born on the pew. Reading the Bible since age 3. Salvation prayer at 7. Babtism at 12. Tongues at 13. Bible college at 18. Married a good evangelical boy at 20. Went into the ministry full time at 22. Birthed 4 babies by 26. Divorced by 27 due to minister husbands infidelity. Involved in intensive Bible based cult till 30. Out for 31 years. So much to say and have been saying since age 6. Continuing to tell my story to this day.
I’m still a Christian but very disillusioned with organized religion. Raised in the Baptist church and will never go back. There’s just so much “holier than thou” attitude and condemnation there. As Christians we should read the New Testament and listen to the teachings of Jesus.
We don't serve man, we serve the father.
God is "I am" churches say God is separate of you and they are not part of God which makes them not God, hmm what does that mean they are? And the ones that say they are God only or a certain person is God alone, are false prophets
That's what is difficult for many. Me too.
You should listen to the teachings of the entire Word of God.
I completely understand. I grew up going to a Presbyterian church. As a child, church was boring and I didn’t understood half of what he said. Sunday school was good and the teacher was obviously a Christian. I found Christianity was more alive in the inter-denominational holiday mission that came to where we went for holiday each year.
I remember when the minister at my Presbyterian church was talking about the vote for amalgamation with other Protestant churches. He wanted the congregation to vote against it. I’d always been curious about why there were so many different churches so I made it my mission to find out and decided I wouldn’t join a church until I found the one with the truth. It did take years and to cut a long story short, I ended up joining the Adventist church because they followed the Bible and understood it. They were able to answer any of my questions, with bible references. I had a great pastor but after moving away and going to different locations, I am now finding a lot of the people in the church I started to attend most recently to be “exclusive”. I don’t feel part of it and haven’t been attending. It feels like a bit of a club. If you didn’t grow up in it you feel like you’re on probation. Maybe it’s just me. 🤷♀️ One thing I know is that I would never be part of a church that speaks in tongues. The bible talks about how that is only to be used in specific situations, or it does not come from God. I avoid those situations. I’ve been amongst it and it even feels evil. At one Bible study I was invited to by a friend a guy put his hand on my head and said he was going to pray for me to have the gift of tongues. The whole time , I prayed so hard that if this was what God wanted then I accept it but it didn’t feel right. Afterwards he said I had “resisted” it. I felt like I escaped something evil to be honest. They sounded possessed when they started speaking in tongues. They couldn’t tell me anything they had said to God. Their praise is like they’re on a high. They don’t even study the Bible. That was in someone’s home. The congregations I’ve seen seem to enjoy the music and the high. Not true, humble worship.
I can completely relate to you. 😊
I’m a preacher’s kid. I watched everything, I paid attention and I haven’t been in a church in forever. You hit the real reason, it’s a business. My dad scrambled for tithe paying fools his entire career. The church is an abomination and the Bible is the user’s manual. Thanks!! Keep telling the truth.
I love this! I was an evangelical for about 12 years and can relate to all these videos and podcasts. Its fantastic to be out of that brain washing mind set.
@@JW-hh6nc Thank you!
Me too. But I still believe Jesus. I love him.
The entire foundation is rotten. As its based on mysticism rather than something as mundane as kindness.
1 Corinthians 13:13… the greatest of these is charity (love). I’m not a hardcore Christian but this went on my husband’s headstone. The best lesson I learned out of the whole book.
And they wonder why church attendance and membership has fallen so drastically. You don't have to get up early on Sunday and share your earnings with hypocrites to meet good people. This message is so accurate.
my mom keeps saying to go to church and i'll meet good people there. that there is a better chance than anywhere else. i laughed in her face. said no, there are people who claim no religion that are much better than the sort i have seen there. the only difference is being sanctimonious.
I walked away from going to church when the church elected Trump, but I didn’t walk away from God. I would be lost without him. But God wants to be chosen by the person, and if the person does not choose him, he accepts that choice, and if there is repercussions that’s up to God, no one else.
I think the reason there is so much secrets in the church, is because if anyone in the church finds out, your looked upon as a lost sinner. Church is a judgement place, they took Gods role of judgement away from god.
I hope you find your way back to church. Maybe one day you can see like David the Lord can use men like Trump for his glory. That doesn't make him righteous, but the work he has to do is. The US is not ready for communism .
I walked away from the church way before then, but Trump is a definite reason why I would leave Christianity behind. These people are just incredibly dumb.
@@DorisGraves-j6vTrump is not the "Annoited " one chosen by God. He is not going to deliver you into Heaven. Evangelicals are trying to force the second coming. That is up to God, not for humans to decide.
Your words are mine as well. God is my savior. It is those within the church that have turned me away.
@@DorisGraves-j6vThose in the Bible who were chosen by God had changed their ways and became righteous before serving Him. Do you think Trump has done this?
My favorite saying right now is "concepts of thoughts and prayers"
one thing I hate is they feel accountable only to the Lord and not to the people they hurt. They break a window, run away, pray for forgivenes, it is as if it never happened. Except the window is still broken and the owner has to pay for it. But the owner must forgive or they will not be forgiven
OK. So, you've never done anything wrong? Who are you accountable to? I understand you are talking about Christians that mistreat people, but you do it yourself. If you really want to understand. Christain have to forgive to keep their heart pure. Revenge belongs to God. No one gets away with anything.
@@BR-bi7okPlenty of people have gotten away with lots of terrible things. Don't pretend like there's some perfect justice. Be real
@@aaronparker1221you be real. I think you have done terrible things yourself.
@@BR-bi7okduring The sermon on the Mount Jesus explains that if we have wronged another or if they have something against us we should reconcile with them before going to worship.
What a racket. It explains Evangelical support for Trump. This video is really shining a light.
My old pastor used to tell people to raise their hands (with all eyes closed and no one looking around... except him 😂) for this sin or that sin. Only later I realized that was his tactic for targeting "promiscuous" women he could cheat on his wife with. Finally he was caught with one woman he was "counseling through divorce". 😂
I was groomed by my minister under the pretense that he was helping me with my marriage problems.
@@artemisnite So.... that's the reason to become an atheist?
@@chapmaned24 nope. But disingenuous xtians putting words in my mouth is a pretty good one. The Bible being plagiarized from older myths is a good one. The fact that the Bible preaches a threemale patriarchal gawd who endorses slavery, misogyny and homophobia is a great one. A "loving gawd" who supposedly can drop food from heaven letting 10 THOUSAND children starve to death daily is a GREAT one. Hypocritical evangelical trumpers freed me from my childhood brainwashing with TOXIC religious hogwash. A bit of educating myself on skepticism and mythology ensured that I stay free of those poisonous lies.
@@chapmaned24 idk if UA-cam hid or deleted my response so I'll try again. Disingenuous xtians putting words in my mouth is a pretty good reason. A plagiarized holy text about a threemale patriarchal gawd who endorses slavery misogyny and homophobia is a really good reason. A supposedly loving gawd who can drop food from heaven but watches ten thousand children die of starvation DAILY is a GREAT reason. Hypocritical evangelical trumpers freed me from my childhood brainwashing with TOXIC religious hogwash after 40 yrs suffering obligatory xtian guilt shame and fear. Becoming an atheist and casting off that poisonous burden was TRULY like being born again. After educating myself a bit on skepticism and mythology, there's no way I would EVER go back to that hell. Look up the origin of Sargon the Great and tell me it doesn't sound familiar. If a PILLAR of xtianity like Moses is FAKE? IT'S ALL FAKE. And that's just one example. The entire NT is riddled with Homer's tropes.
@chapmaned24 no it's a good reason not to listen to any of the hypocrites!
100% true! Thanks Timmy. I am embarrassed and ashamed I ever ran in evangelical circles. Didn't see it then but boy, do I see clearly now...
Churchianity is not what Jesus established.
The Church is His people, His followers that are filled with His Spirit.
Thanks for this video. Retired mainstream church pastor here. I always wondered how evangelicals reconciled this. I'm United Church of Christ...and I used to tell people that if there was no joy, there likely was no God.
That’s why Caitlin Clark must be close to God.
I’ve long thought Catholics worship their church, Protestants worship their Book, and evangelicals worship themselves
Thanks, I ran into a self righteous born again Christian that kept up with bad behaviors because he thought forgiveness was one and done. No reason to try to do right
Heard that a lot when I attended Baylor “I’m born again so I cannot sin”
One lesson I learned from my life. Human beings, tell themselves on the surface, a lie to escape the consequences, but deep down know 😢that it is a lie.
Man, what a tragic mishandling of Scripture. Incredibly sad that he spent so much of his life in church and working in church and had no idea what the Bible actually said. Hope he can still be open to truth and realizes his lack of understanding before it's too late.
I've had a distaste for the Christian church for most of my adult life.... Just from interacting with people thru business. I always get a negative vibe, and it always turns out bad. As soon as someone tells me they're a Christian, I put up my guard. Shiesty! 🧙🏼♀️
the actual good ones seem rare. they exist tho.
just like churches that are doing real work. what's ironic is that, if you believe in the end of days, i think a lot of 'christians' would be in for a surprise. there's a verse talking sort of about this but the iconic like from jesus was "i never knew you". total disown. but yeah basically people who weren't helping the poor and sick etc. and he called em on it.
Christianity defeated Christ. That's it.
Dear Christian friends disillusioned by the manipulation of scripture to suit political needs rather than stick to our forefathers wisdom of separation of church and state. I was born into a southern baptist family in Tennessee as a biological intersex baby. The doctor made the wrong call regarding my gender at birth and my family knew it. I was forced to wear a dress at christian school mocked and taunted by christian kids, excluded and shamed by their christian parents and whipped through third grade by christian teachers for masculine behavior I could not help. Tennessee has already removed my birth certificate last year forcing me back to gender at birth. Trump plans to enforce the Tennessee law nationally on tax paying working American Citizens born here just like me. What would Jesus do about this situation? The forced outings of paper work legal ID will affects thousands of people like me already in hiding just trying to live our life. Our life becomes more dangerous when the wrong people find out through forced outings. I will be unable to fly and airline as ID does not match internal and external presentation. Yet still I cling to those Red Letters of the New Testament. When the church said I wasn't; a christian for changing birth gender over 30 years ago, my mother said "They were not the ones who died on the cross for you."
I am so sorry you have had these experiences. Just ignore people as much as possible and talk to God about it.
You mom was right.
I hope that Trump somehow won't succeed in doing what you describe. Your life has clearly been hard enough as it is. I'm so sorry for you.
@@michaelfox3486 I am so sorry. Sorry for human ignorance. Ignorance of science. Also my thoughts are if God created us, if we are God’s children then he loves us as we are, not what society wishes.
man i'm sorry you're dealing with that. intersex is complicated like that and making a decision that ends up being wrong. :/ it's not like you can tell with a baby. gotta wait a few years till the little one can talk and BE. yeah FL passed a law like that targeting transgendered people but it would affect people like yourself as well. : ( my mom didn't believe me that it was a thing. she thought maybe i was watching something extreme. ffs. she's not a trumplet but is evangelical. i told her that's practically a bad word now. but yeah, im in a lot of despair, not just in my situation but knowing what's coming, and also all the people who will be affected. and with crazier laws. the outting of children in school is *insane!* she didn't believe that one either and said "but that could put people in danger." i said "exactly. that's who these people are."
i think jesus would disown large parts of the church and its people. and they, they would shun him for being a 'liberal'. it's a headfukk for sure.
i hope one day there *is* a judgement, and accounting. i would like these hypocrites and bad folks to really see what they are.
(i thought they had updated birth certificates to indicate intersex when they were not for certain on the dominant gender expression of a child. sounds from what you are saying that they just still "pick" one. i must've been too logical and the law never got there.) i'm hoping we can all hang in there.... until things can come back around. still hoping something saves us before jan. if not.... it may well be just enduring for 2yrs till midterms. also im glad i *never* took laws for granted and i have a practice of not being out at work. people laughed and scoffed but no. i grew up in the 80s and i will never trust human beings to be rational. the story of matthew sheppard scarred me. just thinking what he went through which ended in a terminal way. heaven help us in the coming times. i hope you have a support network to lean on, friends. we'll all need it. :/
The final straw for me with preachers, was when I learned a guy who was going into jails and prisons, singing songs about how he "used to wake up in a puddle of blood...but now Jesus is the only drink I need." And then, went home and got drunk with the next-door-neighbors. And then there's the one who ministers at the mission...when he isn't frequenting a local gay bar. That was part of what led to my walking away from my faith of 40 years. It's just not real.
Tmi.... im an escort, I occasionally meet up with a super famous pastor from Texas. 1 time he pissed me off because he 'accidentally' gave me less, he was reluctant to give me was he forgot to give me, so, I told him to give me the correct amount or I would expose him and he threatened to have me kXXXed. Ultimately he did sent it to me and blocked me afterwards.
sis, who is the pastor?!
So how is Joel these days? LOL
Let the name out
The bigger the name the bigger the payday
@@ExRev79 That's terrible. Please don't slander people.
Claims without proof should not be believed. Same reason I don't believe the Bible I also don't believe this story right here.
In all the damage controls you always get the feeling they cared more about the image of the institution than the victims
These are the best “church” services I have ever sat in. Thank you Timmy for speaking the truth. The hypocrisy of my church leaders drove me out. I know what many of them did but when I divorced due to emotional and physical abuse I was sinning.
Telling me that I was ungodly because I didn't beat my children was the beginning of the end.
So, instead of challenging the doctrine, which is easy to do, you become an atheist? Divorce is allowed in Christianity. The Catholics got it wrong, and they passed it on to Protestants. Same with Communion. The reference is about a chicken dinner church banquet, not a thimble of grape juice and pizza bread...gluten free, of course.
You did the right thing by calling that abuse wrong & getting out of that situation. To this day, I'm disgusted with church leaders who try & keep women in those hellish situations. It's a form of callous misogyny. As the daughter who grew up in that, I will always distrust so-called "Christian Counselors" that are usually poorly-trained & are trauma-uninformed or trauma-insensitive.
So happy to find this channel. I also walked away from religion because the hypocrisy became to much . I live in Louisiana where some of these pastors are. You are so correct about the redemption aspect of their belief. People need to hear you. ❤
Verses I feel many Christian narcissists use to justify abuse of women, elderly and children... Matthew 10:37-39
“Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me."
If your pastor quotes this often there's probably abused people sitting in the pews that have sought counseling and were told to forgive the abuser because he's serving the ministry.
you are right on the money. it's not just evangelical christianity; most cults share that same inequality. when you see a hierarchy, they usually lead to one human who cannot be questioned.
Thank you for this! I am still a believer due to my personal relationship but I have deep rooted issues with the physical church for years.
One time when I was in ministry, I was thinking about how we could be more of an “Acts 2 Church.” You know, an EARLY CHRISTIAN CHURCH, when they were REALLY Christian before the church got so screwed up! So, I’m digging around in the New Testament letters, and all of a sudden it dawns on me that the Church has ALWAYS been screwed up. It’s right there, in the Bible. Hiding in plain sight. I think there’s ONE New Testament letter where the letter writer is like, “You guys are doing a great job!” Every other letter, the writer is saying, “Guys. You’re effing this up. Stop sleeping with each other. Stop fighting about stupid stuff. Etc. Etc. Etc.” Even in the book of Acts, we get exactly ONE CHAPTER away from Peter explaining the whole Pastor thing, and BANG! Right off the bat, in Chapter 5, the Holy Spirit is smiting Ananias and Sapphira for stealing from the church till. And then apostles are arguing about what’s kosher and what’s not kosher. Whether they should let in that sort of person or this sort of person. St Peter is a bigot. St Paul is too woke. From the start, this Church experiment has not worked very well. If you want to do good, enjoy community, and eat a meal with friends, join Rotary or the Lions Club or something.
And, another thing: Who ever thought putting ONE person on a pedestal and not questioning them was a good idea? Acts 3? Yeesh! There’s a lot of dumb organizational management advice in the Bible, but that passage is just ridiculous. Not only because, in some denominations, it makes the pastor absolutely powerful and likely to tilt toward corruption; but also because it makes the pastor (and the pastor’s spouse and kids, if they’re allowed to marry) profoundly isolated and lonely, and more likely to deal with the isolation in profoundly unhealthy, damaging ways.
And there is another side to clergy scandals. Depending on the church, sometimes it’s the Church Board who pulls all sorts of power plays on the pastor. Will they get a cost of living raise or not? Are they visiting enough? Are they working enough hours? And a big one in this era of church decline: Are they bringing in new members? The pressure of congregational ministry is ridiculous, even in smaller to midsize churches-not just the mega-churches. Some pastors cope with this in healthy ways, like going to therapy. Some pastors are irresponsible with the pressure and hurt others. Watch the Ethan Hawke film “First Reformed” for a brilliant example of how this dynamic works. I came to the conclusion that the flaws of the church weren’t just the fact that the church is a “hospital for sinners.” From the get-go in the Book of Acts-the church itself is a “sinner factory.” That said, some churches are healthy in spite of this crazy model, but the majority of congregations I served were unhealthy. I am so, so glad to be out of it!
I think we miss the point of the Bible stories. Through all time and space people have misbehaved. If we follow the 10:Commandments we will have an easier healthier life. But it’s hard. We all fall short. It’s what the Bible tells us. Forgive. Pick yourself up and keep going. The church has it all wrong!
@@janegerow5974 I would have more respect for the 10 Commandments if they included prohibitions on slavery,r*pe and any other form of violence against the vulnerable.
@ agreed
Former pastor here. I grow up in the church, i've never heard of this idea before. The bible even says to confess your sins to each other as well. And to correct your brother when wrong. I'm no longer a believer, but this idea that they can deny their actions beause they prayed to god is a load of crap. Only a narcissist would latch on to this type of thinking.
Personally, it fits right in with what I see as a narcissistic obsession at the center of Christianity for many: the idea that Jesus died on the cross to save them personally.
Incorrect. Those who truly confess their sins and their faults, are humbling themselves before others and before God. And it brings healing and restoration. The very motivation of character that The Lord Jesus Christ showed to the mutlitudes in His earthly ministry. "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16) To call God a narcissist is a lie. God is Holy, Righteous, and Just in all His ways.
@@christophergibson7155 No, it's spot on. They didn't call God a narcissist. They said narcissists believe in God because they were created perfectly. And I daresay in God's image.
@@pauladuncanadams1750 That's off. Although God 's creation was "very good". (Genesis 1:31a)and that we are created in God's image and likeness (Genesis 1:26) and as human beings and not animals; Nevertheless mankind fell into sin starting in the Garden of Eden to this present day. "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-"
(Romans 5:12) And who are YOU in the light of your own sinful nature to judge God?
Sorry, I agree with expectedbs on this point. A narcissist most likely believes that Jesus died for "their" sins. But realistically, I guess that they wouldn't really care if you were included or not as long as they had status above you in heaven.
That's called the sin of presumption. Presuming God will forgive you if you ask, and then return to doing the same thing
Besides all this is the butthurt symptom
One of the big problems is that the Church follows Paul, not Jesus. Jesus said he will judge us on our love and compassion and how we responded to the least of these. He won't ask us what church we go to or even what religion we are. Or even if we said the Sinner's Prayer!
His only criteria are to feed the hungry, clothe and house the poor, welcome the stranger, alien, immigrant. He's really going to get the trumpers on that last one.
I was raised in the evangelical church (not religious now) and was taught almost the same thing, except when you repent, you have to 1. Be genuinely remorseful, and 2. Intend on not doing it again. Then, the sin will be washed away. But if you do it repeatedly, you're not ACTUALLY remorseful, you're making a mockery of the lord, and the sin will not be forgiven.
@@lisaschneider1658 Yep!
Another great video, Timmy! These people are hypocrites, and being a moral person with a strong sense of Justice and right and wrong, it disgusts me what some of these so called 'holy' people are up to, leading double lives. They may think God has forgiven their sins and they are now as white as snow, but it's a cop out. Their hearts were never pure to begin with and never will be. Some sins are unforgivable.
Some hearts are better than others but none are pure😊
I could write a book about the 'goings on' from several churches I have attended over the years. But I won't. I had my own problems that I have sought to make right.
Agreed. Some are too heinous to ever forgive.
@@Philthefisherofmen What is forgiveness? What's done is done. A stolen thing can be given back, but trust is harder to restore. Can someone be 'forgiven' of murder? It won't bring the deceased back. Forgiveness only eliminates the punishment. As for Hell, that is a made-up place. Eternity? Have you thought of what that means? Forever with no free will is supreme torture. Life is precious because it is finite.
My mother was a fundamentalist and the pastor of her church was seen as a “ godly man” etc. Anyway about twenty years ago I had a second job delivering pizza. I went to this house one night and rang the doorbell to deliver the pizza the house was having a huge party. When the door opened you could smell the pot smoke and there was girls with very short dresses on etc. There was bottles all over the coffee table and in the middle of two very scandalous looking women sat the preacher of my moms church. He was drunk as hell and had one of his hands on the knee of one of the girls. He was a hellfire brimstone preacher too. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. Do you know who Jordan Maxwell is?? The conspiracy guy?? Anyway he’s pretty interesting and I’m definitely skeptical about a lot of his stuff yet he does know a lot about esoteric type stuff. Anyway my point is that he was saying on a UA-cam video of his that he has a friend down in Miami or someplace like that. This friend of his owns a whole chain of liquor stores. Anyway his friend told him about once a month Paul and Jane Crouch use to pull up in this van and buy boxes and boxes of cases of liquor. Tell me that’s not funny. Lol.
Yes, I realize the hypocrisy runs so high for these false preachers and teachers. Living the double life. But of course God will not be mocked. Whatever a man sows (good seed or bad seed) that shall he also reap. (Galatians 6:7)
Nevertheless, Jesus Himself said He would build His church. (Matthew 16:18b) All the hypocrites and wolves will be rooted out and fall away. And Jesus will do the house cleaning. (Matthew 3:12) No uncleaness will remain.. I don't know how far that day is from now. But I would believe the clean up is happening as I write this.
@ You get your logic from a book where people live to be 900 years old and snakes talk to people and women get pregnant by angels and people split the ocean in half with a stick??
@@Scorned405 The women getting pregnant by angels I don't buy. I know that is a rather hot topic right now.
Angels are spirit beings created by God, and they can't have sexual relations. Here's what Jesus said to touch on that..."For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:30) Yet all the amazing signs in the Word of God, The Holy Bible are valid and true.
And the greatest miracle is the new birth. The born again experience by the Spirit of God that Jesus told us about in John 3:3,5,7. I know, because I have experienced it myself first hand.
The hypocrisy of others is always a n issue. So, you don't jump when others say jump. But what on earth or in heaven does that have to do with Christ. Most evangelism is sin centered. Not Christ centered.
In this they have a little in common with Jesuits and manipulation of forced confessions, and the more atheistic totalitarian regimes. Everybody is guilty of something. Appealing to self centered independence of liberal or capitalist peoples. The family oriented properties owner. Stealing from the larger good. This is why Bolshevick communism and those like it, we're thought of as Judeo Christian heresies. The inquisitional techniques learned. Maybe not nearly extreme. But none of this has to do with the true nature of sin and redemption from it.
For every corrupt evangelical pastor there are hundreds of humble men and women serving God in ministry.
A Christian is a person who has encountered God and been spiritually changed by God. God forgives their sins and gives them a new Heart and New Spirit to obey Him. So many church goers and self professing Christians and pastors have not been spiritually changed. They don't have the Holy Spirit, therefore, it is easy for them to end up like you. Without the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, no one can live an authentic God strengthening forgiven life. You can live a religious life, but that is not the same thing.
Magical thinking is so Dark Ages
Besides all this is the butthurt syndrome, pleasure thru pain, it all plays out in a twisted sort of way
God can change you and he can change you back.
The ones who are not changed in the same way as others deny the change in those others and deny the will of god.
Let god work on them, stay out of his way, quit meddling with his plan and be quite sure you can tell when you are the one he is talking to you and that you listen.
Naw, that will never work.
What to do with my grief as I learn to accept this new truth ? I'm devastated after learning the truth. I truly believed for 50 years. In the past 2 I've learned the truth. Now it's like I'm grieving the death of a dearly loved family member except they never really existed. I have severe PTSD. I have no family or friends bcuz I've spent my whole life people pleasing and ended up in abusive relationships. This level of depression is bigger than anything I've ever known. Can anyone else relate or understand? Idk what to do with all of this. I think about death all the time. I don't want to die. I want to live again and feel joy again
Give yourself time. It takes time. Find a secular therapist if possible. Look for friends in the secular communities. Be good to yourself and believe me that you have courage. It takes a lot of courage to do what you, I, and many of us fellow Christians did and continue to learn.I miss the church because of the fellowship.
I still fellowship with my Christian friends and family but I don't share this with them. It's not a good place to be honest and it's not a safe place to be honest but I have athiest/ agnostic friends where I can be free to be honest.
@@kimmullins337 Are you saying that there is no afterlife? How did you come to that conclusion, calling that conclusion as truth?
@chapmaned24 I'm not sure. I do think about it on a regular basis. It gets quite maddening after a while. I've never been so lost
@wizquinn8021 thank you for your kind words. It makes all the difference.
@kimmullins337 Don't give up hope. I can't remember who it was, but I read a book authored by one of the former lead singers of the rock band Kansas. He wrote the song Carry On. He was on his spiritual journey seeking. One thing he noted was that every religion acknowledged a Jesus. Even atheists when they use that name as a cuss word. There is something about that name.
What about the Victimes???? The ABUSERS Forget that the Victims know EVERYTHING and Remember everything!!!!
Pastors are repressed, watched, held as godlike.
Turns out just humans like everyone else. There profession dictates they lie to themsrlves and everyone else....
Caveat...there are some truly good people who are pastors. Some humble, well intentioned men and women.
.....some...
Actually they are probably more driven to "sin" than most, and that's why they choose their job as ministers. They want someone or something to control them because they can't control themselves.
Freedom from sin can only be achieved by being free from religion.
Very, very well said....
Yes exactly
I used to live in Palm Springs. Late at night, the only thing on was Jim and Tammy Baker. She'd cry her eyes out, and with all that makeup on, the black would run down her face. I saw her in the grocery store once, surrounded by fans. I enjoyed this video because you point out just how immoral Christians can be. Thanks, Timmy. I hope you have a great day.
@@sunshineinarizona1726 I would vacation at PTL with my grandparents. Got to watch a filming of their show in person. That makeup was something else! lol 😂
@@Agonostic Makeup might be tacky to you but it is not a scandal, She was ahead of her time in acceptance of gay individuals. Why are women held to a different scandal or judging.
What’s going on? The epidemics of narcissism, entitlement, the perception of them themselves being “special” and if they’ve”sin”? Repent and all is well. Put that together with knowing how they can control others?
You have a new sub my dear…. I’m a long-retired Catholic, agnostic, who researched Dominionism and NAR…Back in the olden days of 2007-14…when we were told we were crazy and fearmongering, “you’ve lost your mind if you think these people will ever have any power…or support Donald Trump? Get help Elaine…you’ve lost it!”
Yea, well…🤷🏼♀️😔. The Unholy frauds and grifters are returning. God help us all…
Thank you for telling the TRUTH!!!! 💝💝💝
It’s almost as if the Bible said this would happen 😮
In Judaism, true repentance (teshuva) is resolving never to do it again, making amends, AND testing your commitment. Regret and confession is only half of it. If you're just going to sin again later, that's not true repentance, and that's the unfortunate thing I see among Christians.
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the support!
Very observant!
The real problem with Evangelicals is that they follow Paul's doctrines rather than Jesus' teachings.
But that doesn't mean that there is no God. It just means that the evangelical religion is off track.
Yes you’re right. This doesn’t mean there is no god. The complete lack of evidence for a god leads us to the conclusion that there is no good reason to believe that there is a god.
idk my mom and her church consider themselves evangelicals but they DO go off jesus's teachings. (also most of her church is infested with redhat types. she loved the church but said lately it's kind of unbearable.)
You have to consider this. Saul of Tarsis was sent by the Sanhedrin to discredit the message of Jesus and he succeeded.
Dumpie is in the brotherhood…now I get it, You are so fun. Loved it. I have been wanting to know more about this. I knew they were profound hypocrites when I was about 13. Used to confront them at church. Thank you
I never belonged to a church and never believed most of what people were saying and preaching. It just never sat right with me and so many people seemed like hypocrites. And like you said the louder they got the more they looked guilty to me
You are a precious precious soul 💕 thank you…. I’m still a Christian but your beautiful truth touches my heart 💜
I was hyperactive, was misunderstood, judged, even kicked out of 2 different church-linked programs. Looking back, I realized that I was in a hostile & toxic environment that was a poor fit for me. My own mom made me feel shame & dislike myself. I cannot trust any other Christian but 3 people. Yeah. Plus, the church is not very supportive of leaving an abusive home. I'm bitter against the staff for trying to trap my mom, brother & I in a bad home.
I find it hard to not get angry at family members when they become pressing ,but hear I am sitting in my van having coffee because I got kicked out of the house..lol
I got kicked out of a house for telling someone pride was the reason her friend committed suicide.
Saved her life, but she totally pushed me out at the time. I can only imagine the very small issue you were removed for, but people are terrible and that's why there will be a judgement day. ;)
How come I can smell egg fart with your reply@@fatalheart7382
@@fatalheart7382 Bro, _really_ ? You have no idea. As a person who lost a sibling to suicide, I can tell you that saying something like that to a person who has experienced this kind of loss is a vile thing to do. Keep your despicable judgment and your ignorant opinion to yourself the next time you are in the company of anyone who has lost someone in this way. Flat out, you definitely WTAH in that situation. You more than deserved to be pushed away by the person whom you deliberately hurt. I hope you can learn from this and apologize to them.
@@barbarasmith2693 I read her heart and it absolutely was pride. It saved her life because she was blaming herself. I don't need your contempt for being a hero. While she was pushing me out of the house, she was going through things in her mind and talking out loud, and came to the conclusion as she pushed me out of the house. Your judgment means nothing to me because she is still alive. Enjoy your days.
Forgiveness is such an important topic. It is biblical. The problem seems to be that the forgiveness stops at the boundaries of the church. There is no forgiveness for other people that are outside those walls. That, seems to me, to be the biggest problem.love and blessings to all.
An Assembly of God pastor in West Arkansas was recently arrested for child porn . No bail ! Sick ! Sick ! Sick !
Power corrupts. Even good people can be corrupted. Churches give too much power & authority to too few men. While also teaching them that God will forgive anything if they repent!
But complete spiritual forgiveness can equal zero accountability. Then church members hand over their cash & their children to these powerful men. It’s a recipe for corruption.
We're supposed to, "...go away and SIN NO MORE." It's not repentance if we keep sinning.
Imagine every week being in the church and constantly had to listen ‘YOU are a SINNER’ from the so-called pastors or elders or the tops, as if these were the better ones than us😅
I often tell folks that if their Preacher is more prominent in their Church promotions than the Church ... they need to find a better Church.
The youth pastor and son of head pastor at Oakwood Church in Michigan just got charged (in October) with some nasty stuff (CSC) involving a minor(s).
Haha oh I'm so glad I stumbled across this video. 😅 you're awesome and thanks for spreading the word. This is something I have seen and knew for a long time but love hearing it from your perspective. I will add ,even if some of these ministers aren't actively " sinning" they can be so bottled up with bitterness and anger " shackled" by their strict morality , that they will treat everyone else with a iron fist. Live in shame. I grew up in shame and guilt even though I was a very decent person. I finally had to walk away from all that judgement and trying to find myself for the first time. Loved your video and experience
This video is about "religious hypocrites." You know who else talked a lot about religious hypocrites the same way for exactly the same reasons? Jesus did. And they killed him for it. I think that about sums up the relationship between this kind of behavior and Jesus himself.
and jesus wasn't above flipping a table.
that shocked me so much, and was so relatable, that i never forgot it.
Back in my church days I really liked the pastor and spent a lot of time with him just talking in his office (non denomination). Well, it came out that he was having an affair and the entire church thought it was me. I was devastated that he had to leave the church. It was some other girl he was hooking up with and he was in a long term marriage. I was going through a divorce at the time and that's why I spent so much time talking with him. My husband that I was divorcing thought it was me too and confronted him in a grocery store 🙄 That was all eons ago. Just thought of it with the topic. It was a small town and I got dirty looks for so long 😂 All the judgmental people first to cast their stones at somebody innocent.
Sorry you went through that! It would be best if the church was more transparent AND held each other accountable. But alas, it is just another business or club.
@@One-z6y I look back on it now and find it all so ridiculous. I was pretty young and vulnerable.
Thanks for your truth. It's hard to break away from this brainwashing. I give credit to all former believers who are able to become an independent thinker. So much evil in the name of religion!
Thank you for telling the truth. The way humans have twisted the man made Bible to justify their bad behavior is stunning. When I read the Old Testament it was crazy how god told them constantly what to do with their multitude of wives and servants was enough for me to question the rest of the book. Great Story Book
The old testament makes out god to be what we consider evil in today's society
I'm very similar.
I was raised as a "Christian". Raised by my Grandmother who was UBER Christian. Started 3 churches etc.
I studied The Bible in great detail, and then went on to study it's origins and creation.
THAT is exactly why I'm no longer "Christian"
Because I learned what they are teaching is all bullsh!t.
Many of them are teaching Anti-Christ-ianity.
One of my favorites, is to point out this passage...
Matthew 25:41-45
41...Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.
That is not a "suggestion".
That is a COMMAND by the "Savior" they claim to love.
@@toddstudio79 you are so right. If Jesus came back to earth, he would be horrified by what the church has become.
@TheSapphireSprit 100%!
Most "Christians" don't even know that "Jesus" wasn't even His real name.
The name "Jesus" didn't even appear for the first time until 1638 AD. 1600 years after His death & resurrection.
I not sure why anyone would feel the need to alter His name(although I do have a pretty good idea why😉)
@ and he was an immigrant. Imagine that, lol!
@TheSapphireSprit and he damn sure wasn't a fair haired, blue-eyed, white guy.🤣
Boy that passage gets ppl stirred up for real!
I am glad I am not the only one to use that passage to pint out their antichristianity.
How very conveeeenient!
I'm a Catholic and when you go and confess you are given so many Our Father's and Hail Marys , and then the priest says "go and sin no more". That's a caveat they forgot in the Evangelical rule book. They point fingers at other churches, hey don't look at me, look over there.
It's true we've all sinned, but most of us don't delude ourselves that God said your A-okay in my book. You've told me about it so keep going. I don't see how they justify it.
Well said. Keep this thing rolling!
Thanks for the laughs because I’m in the deconstruction process and sometimes I’m super pissed off at the corruption in all religions!
Speaking the truth brother.💖
In your deconstruction, do you still have faith in Christ or is that changing too? Just curious.
Hello Timmy. Thank you for your videos, i was born into a Catholic household and was religious for a while then I found Profet Of Zod and my life changed for the better.
I love your sense of humor.
yay, prophet of zod!
I have so many thoughts but primarily I want to know are you talking about Church of the Highlands in Birmingham (that’s where I’m from). If so I want to know if you are aware that they have a multi-million dollar facility where where they “council” these pastors who do things like this - they bring them here from all over the country - and then place them in new churches that are completely oblivious and shun anyone who says anything about it.
@@angiedailey1947 Curious huh? Ha ha
Did Church of the Highlands create a Bible study called Freedom?
Do you know where this facility is located?
What about the rest of the phrase "... and sin no more"? If you continue to sin than you haven't truly repented.
What about the Victims still sufferings???????
@@lealala7348 Absolutely...no thought of reparations, or apology
You are so engaging!! This is a great topic! :D
I don't attend church but I love God. This is a good vs evil story. You can not win a gun fight carrying a knife.
God doesn’t call us out on Earth. We have free choice here! He called us out when we die and have to answer for our choices.
During the depression my dad's family struggled to eat. He said every Sunday the preacher would come and eat way more than the children were allowed. Dad always said he knew as a boy of 6 the guy wasn't God fearing man. He called him a mooch 😂
I am not religious I have this way since a child visiting different friend's churches. I couldn't get over the hypocrisy, the judgment. I do, however, believe in something bigger, and that is in all of us LOVE❤️
My evangelical brother and his wife stole 100k from me used our parents as a bank they think if they ask Jesus for forgiveness then it's all OK to spend there ill gotten gains they asked Jesus to forgive them
What better place for darkness to hide than under protection of the Church?
Speaking as a former evangelical myself who was headed into the ministry, the core problem with any fundamentalist religion of any stripe is this: Literalism is the language of childhood. Becoming an adult requires moving beyond literalsm into the ability to think in terms of metaphor. Most of what the church teaches as literal history is better understood as metaphor for internal processes.
A Christian relative gave me a book by Ravi Zacharias (The Real Face of Atheism) a year or two ago trying to argue that atheism is wrong. I started reading it and it was a terrible book. It was full of straw man arguments against science and was primarily one big argument from consequence, that we need Christianity to keep the world from falling into depravity. Well, apparently it didn't work for Ravi.
Twisted!!!! I don't blame Christianity. It's the humans that abuse it.
So when Christians accuse atheists of only disbelieving in God because they want to sin - that is basically just their projection. Every time, I swear to God.
YES! They are the one's that want to "sin" and escape the punishment they believe Big Daddy is going to give them.
Christianity is much bigger than this false American movement. Do not lump this group in with Christians.
I am Catholic and there is no such a thing as "I didn't do it" in the Catholic doctrine. It is different from the Protestants/Evangelicals. Sin is like dirt in your soul. If you confess to a priest (face to face) the sin will be forgiven but you will face the consequences of the act. That is why Catholic Church believe in the Purgatory. You will remain there till your purge your sins because it will be unbearable to be in front of Perfection in state of sin. On top of that, if somebody asked if you have done something (a sin) and you lie, go back to confession cause lying is another sin. You are not supposed to lie. There is no such a thing as "the sin has never happened".
One more thing, if you sin and don't feel guilt you don't love the Lord as you should. It is not a game.
It seems to me that in Protestantism, in the Evangelical churches, etc, there are a patchwork of Bible interpretations.
Purgatory. Oh, yeah, the place where all those babies who used to be in "limbo" got shuffled to when the Catholic church decided that the concept of Limbo for dead infants wasn't cool anymore. LOL
I agree with you partly. Born and raised RCC. Born again at 18. Went to most Protestant churches and found they are all Catholic wannabe's. The whole of Christianity is marred with horrible, demonic acts against humanity and the corruption continues till this day with little to no accountability and no repercussions. Add to that, there is corruption and lack of accountability in every sector of society! These could be the very last of the last days. And I do agree with you, if you sin against the FATHER, it should make you sick, hurt your heart. HE gives us perimeters to keep us safe in this Valley of the Shadow of Death. Peace
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Ditto in Eastern Orthodox Christianity. You cannot be free of the consequences of your wrongdoings, whether in this life or after. Only evangelical Christianity seems to suffer from this spirit of 'I don't think that I need to face the music' for whatever.....
Good to see the apostates the Romans and the orthodox in full agreement !
The problem with the so called scandals is Christianity's foolish and shortsighted views on Sexuality, Marriage etc. I just discussed this with a still evangelical friend of mine who was lamenting that he is not married or does not have kids. In order to be legitimate or acceptable to them you must be married with kids in a monogamous heterosexual marriage. You must fit into this little box in order to be considered 'legitimate':. It is such an idiotic and short sighted view not taking into account the fact that more than half of marriages end for one reason or another and that not everyone can or should be a parent over a child. The fact is humans are really not designed (if you want to use that word) for lifelong unions. In our evolutionary past our ancestors moved in nomadic groups and raised children as a group. The whole marriage thing came about in order to control women's reproduction and guarantee the paternity of children.
God does not live in a "box", you have some great points.. i believe in eternity we all have a "connection" with another soul in some shape or form ✌️
Your timing on this topic couldn’t be better. Just last night it was reported that a large church in my area, Gateway Church DFW, removed/fired 4 elders. Due to sexual abuse that has BEEN ONGOING yet no one previously reported. 🙄It’s atrocious what these “organizations” are able to do/cause, and damage they do.
Gateway to Hell. 😂 🔥🔥
Interesting. Im a Gnostic Christian. Left the institutions years ago.
I had a vision of a fault line starting from right below Dallas going straight up to NY.
Lots going on in TX.
@@concertlover2202 I know that church and had met the pastor who led that church!
Yes and because we want to give everyone the 'benefit of the doubt', behaviors go unchecked. I had a pastor make a sexual pass at me. I am from the North, he is a Southerner. I assumed maybe he didn't know what that meant. (He had shook my hand and scratched the middle of my palm. Where I come from that meant you wanted to have sex with the person!) I asked a friend who I knew had been pretty worldly in the past if she knew what it meant. Sure enough, she knew! I still CONvinced myself that the pastor would never do that to me. He was married. I was married. I NEVER gave him a hint that I was interested. But then at a later event when I was pregnant he made a creepy comment about me. I told my husband and we left the church. It was really starting to click with us, that there was ZERO accountability in ANY churches. And we see that now in every sector of society.
@@timmygibsonkcit happens in all religions. We also had a head conservative rabbi at one of largest affluent synagogues who abruptly up and left it all - to run away w/his much younger mistress. Leaving his wife and 4 young sons alone w/nothing.🙄
I’m agnostic from a very young age, but still find all religions very interesting. So, I always enjoy your perspective coming from your vast experiences.