@Chozey don’t forget that steam engines have a higher factor of adhesion, and therefore have more freight capability than a single diesel or electric. UP 3985 has 5000 hp, but a UP centennial (most powerful diesel, 6600 hp) could by no means have done this: ua-cam.com/video/XhgHrDbN4EU/v-deo.html
I think what hapend to 5407 at the start was the Regulator (the throttle) got jamed open and the driver had to put the loco into mid gear to stop it and that takes time as its a screw reverser.
The difficult thing about steam engines is that the torque delivered to the wheels is not constant relative to the position of the piston. So as the engineer creeps the regulator up to get going, the piston may reach its power angle and break the traction of the wheels.
@@codyking4848 a train conductor is the person that checks/issues tickets and ensure safe operation. They have nothing to do with the actual operation of the train. That (as the oc states) is the engineer's job.
One would think steam would be near constant power because its just pressure pushing against a piston head. Its not untill you realise that a crank is a lever that changes its leverage depending on its current rotation, do you see the whole picture
I always thought it was cool in Polar Express when the train would slip for a split second when trying to accelerate. It's very cool to see that same behavior in reality, and I think goes to show how much detail the animators put into the film.
"Come on, Henry, show a wheel!" Said his driver. Henry, in his new black paint, proceeded to scream the loudest death metal roar his driver ever heard. "Cinders and ashes, Henry! Calm down!" Yelled his driver above the din, but Henry couldn't hear. "RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!" bellowed Henry, but his driver had had enough. He shut off steam, and applied the brakes. "Oh..." said Henry "...you are a spoilsport! I was quite enjoying that! Especially the part where I could express years of repressed negative emotions in a creative manner!"
steam engines didnt have any weakness other than prolonged speed at inclines. The lower the RPM of the engine the higher the torque. so it will eventually reach the top.
steam engines when they wheelslip horribly and ruin the very rails they ride on: I'm fine. Diesels when their train is a little to heavy: I down't wanna puwl da twain waaaaaa-
The way it goes from absolutly destroying the rails to going back to being as slow and quiet as a snail so quickly like nothing ever happened is honestly kinda terrifying
That's more like what happened to Blue Peter. An uncontrolled wheelslip reached a rotational speed of 140 mph which caused the cylinders to explode and the coupling rods and valve gear blew apart. You can find a video of it happening on here.
And he probably had to explain himself in front of his superiors. Wheel slips are not desired nor permitted. If engineer permitted for it to occur and last for a while, it would be a serious matter... like increased wear and tear on rails and wheels...
@@MorganTheTimeLordHenry used to be an A1/A3, but he had firing problems because of his tiny firebox. And after his "Flying Kipper" accident, he was rebuilt into an LMS Black 5, which made him stronger and better than ever.
The last door banged, and the guard showed his green lamp, The flying kipper was ready to go! Come on, Come on, Don't be silly! Don't be silly! Puffed Henry to the freight cars. The cars shuttered and groaned Trickity Truck! Trickity Truck! Alright! Alright! That's better That's better. Puffed Henry.
Having been at the controls of a steam locomotive a very tiny bit of input on the throttle translates to a LOT of change in power. When I was the engineer, under supervision, I made sure to very slowly crack the steam valve open and wait a few seconds for the steam to start things moving before adding more throttle. Quite a few people gave it too much steam starting out and they just spun the drivers.
Cuboy'dMC nope, the locomotive primed, meaning water from the boiler forced itself into the lines, forcing the throttle valve wide open. It can happen when the boiler is filled just a little too much. In a priming situation like that, let's just say that that engineer was VERY lucky he got it under control that quickly. Another British locomotive, Blue Peter, suffered a similar priming incident, but the engineer was not so lucky that time, as the locomotive was damaged, and if I remember correctly, the engineer was also injured in the incident trying to get it under control again. With slips like this, don't immediately assume that it was irresponsibility/incompetence on behalf of the engineer, considering priming is something any steam locomotive can suffer from.
@@CuboydMC with wheelslip that severe, I think it's easier to conclude that something went wrong with the locomotive, as any engineer certified would not have let that happen willingly. Your post basically said it was likely bad management by the driver, without bringing up that there were other possible reasons. In context, without knowing anything else, it looked as if you had come to the conclusion that the engineer was at fault. Using likely in the context you did makes it come across more like you knew, rather than putting it as a possibility.
@@andrewlucia865 I didn't know. Most people also said it was poor handling and so did I. So I thought there was nothing wrong with saying it was likely irresponsible handling. Of course I didn't bring up any other possibility because that's what I thought *likely* happened. Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this. You move on with your day, and I'll move on with mine. Good day.
These wheel slips can refer to many Thomas episodes. But I think the story it suits best is the RWS book story High Speed Gordon. Because Gordon’s wheels spin wildly and uncontrollably after he grounds to a stand still at the big station.
Bring them back. I’m new to the train scene in my adult years but my love for them went back to childhood. I always loved looking at the big terrifying beasts and thankfully my state has a lot of rich history with trains. Could we not simply correct the deficiencies in steam locomotives with modern technology? As to “why” we would do so simply for elegance and beauty. Nothing wrong with wanting form AND function.
It’s more a matter of getting the coal for them, which is not really mined anymore in Germany, the US or other countries. That started with private households not using coal for heating anymore and when Arc Ovens became the standard for steel plants the coal usage was pretty much powerplants only, so it got more expensive and shipping it from Africa or Australia and China is pretty costly. Also the needed water infrastructure and boiler explosion where a bit too much.
Also, maintenance costs. The main "deficiency" of a steam locomotive is the boiler itself, which is a massive pressure vessel that goes through pressure and heat changes, slowly weakening the metal towards a massive explosion. We've tried fixing that with modern technology and the result is known as the diesel locomotive.
@@matejlieskovsky9625Not to mention having to either keep the boiler hot all the time or spend several hours getting them ready to move (wasting a load of fuel in the process in either case). Diesel-electrics just start like a car.
Reverser at full forward, cylinder cocks open, and probably both valves wide open. Combine all that with a throttle happy engineer, and a bit of wet track, and you have the perfect recipe for Wheelslip.
No, they had to. The black 5 wouldn’t fit under the signal and thus had to wheel slip to shave off metal from the wheels to make it sit lower. Edit like 1 year later: Over here questioning why this comment of pure stupidity has 52 likes 😂 Anyway, I think it is rather obvious that this comment is absolutely retarded and completely false - I think majority of us believe that it was either by an unexperienced crew , or they're just doing it for show.. I believe that sums up after 1 year of actually using my brain Have a good day all 👌
Some trains will always have problems with wheel slip whenever the rails are wet! They might even have to use sanders to avoid wheel slip whenever the rails are wet! :)
I worked as a dispatch for a train company and some of my Driver Crews must be dumping sand by the bag load... how can Rudi use almost no sand and haul ass so much he is 3 hours early and then there is paul coming late and needing to refill the whole sand tank each time.
@@Yokoto12343 I guess they were probably both driving different models that had different traction properties! Some trains are great with wet rails while others always slip on wet rails! :)
insane the scale of a machine that is effectively at all times, just a few valves away from sending tons of steel moving at speeds enough to split spacetime itself
0:17 Henry pulled the heavy load, as he pulled the wheels slipped violently, Henry pulled harder still, "Come along, come along!" he shouted, "trickery trot, trickery trot, alright, alright!" said the freight cars. with all his might, Henry got the train under control again.
The problem with these engines is that when you open the regulator (or close it) there is a whole lot of piping until the steam reaches the cylinders. This tends to put a delay between the throttle and the reaction from the engine. The worst thing is when you feel that the engine is about to wheelslip, you close the regulator but it won't do anything.
@@thegeforce6625Well, as with all railroad things, it depends. Some engines have the throttle in the steam dome and a dry pipe directly to the cylinders. Most early locos were set up in that way. Some engines have superheaters, which add about twice the length of the engine in terms of piping. D&RGW k-37s have that Some engines like the Big Boy have front end throttles, which means that the throttle is at the end of all the piping, effectively removing all the delay. In general the delay goes from fractions of a second to a full second or two.
If you spin the wheels till the tires are almost molten then you slow down and they get really good traction and adhere to the track. If the locomotive is on fire after you do that it won't matter because you'll be fired
I would wonder if she has an unbalanced throttle/regulator (a lot of locos in the UK did). With an unbalanced throttle the pressures/forces on the throttle are uneven and in the event of a slip a large volume of steam can pass through throttle/regulator and with the unbalanced type this large volume of steam passing through the regulator can make it very difficult/impossible to close so the slip can get out of control quite quickly. Static friction (the friction between the wheel and rail when the wheel is holding the rail) is greater than kinetic friction (friction between moving/sliding objects) so once the loco breaks loose power needs to be greatly reduced to stop the slip. In the event of an uncontrolled slip, the way to reduce power is to hook the valve gear up to center (steam will still be admitted to push on the piston but will have greatly reduced power) and opening the cylinder cocks will also help reduce power (not by a lot when the valve gear is near full gear but will help more so when less steam is being admitted). However if the loco has a manual screw reverse of Johnson bar it may be very difficult to center the valve gear during an uncontrolled slip due to the friction/forces that are on the valve gear. Sand should not be put down when the wheels are slipping as one side can grab while the other side is still slipping which can put severe stress on the axles, crank pins, rods and can break/bend those parts. Some locos are light on their feet and can slip pretty easily. In the USA most builders/railroads wanted 4 lbs. on the drivers for ever 1 lb. of tractive effort. Less than that and locos tended to be slippery. Stopping on sand is the best way to avoid a slip when starting on a hill/when it is slippery, but even then the loco can still slip.
![How To Fire Up a Steam Locomotive [4K]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xx9Q8PphAVo/mqdefault.jpg)
The way it unleashes full power at the slightest traction loss is terrifying, I love it.
Imagine being right up close to it in person
Especially when you consider the amount of wheel touching the track is only as big as a dime.
That's power stroke to power stoke engine cycle for you. They have tremendous amount of power and I like it too. :)
True power is scary ain’t it?
"slight?" That was a complete loss of traction
Probably one of the most badass displays of power I've ever seen from "obsolete" technology
Ifkr
Steam locomotives built for power like the big boy or challenger make diesels and electrics look like a joke
@Chozey well, steam as in water vapor, but it has nothing to do with this
@Chozey don’t forget that steam engines have a higher factor of adhesion, and therefore have more freight capability than a single diesel or electric. UP 3985 has 5000 hp, but a UP centennial (most powerful diesel, 6600 hp) could by no means have done this:
ua-cam.com/video/XhgHrDbN4EU/v-deo.html
It's a LOT of torque and a little bit of rpm. So you're right
jeremy clarkson in the cab: "POWER!!"
I remember that when I was little (my dad = obsessed with top gear)
vaikkajoku SPEED AND POWER!
Ha
I think what hapend to 5407 at the start was the Regulator (the throttle) got jamed open and the driver had to put the loco into mid gear to stop it and that takes time as its a screw reverser.
Yessssss powerrrrrr
The difficult thing about steam engines is that the torque delivered to the wheels is not constant relative to the position of the piston. So as the engineer creeps the regulator up to get going, the piston may reach its power angle and break the traction of the wheels.
Ooh! Good point! Didn't realize that!
There is literally zero good excuse for the first clip. That's just a bad conductor.
@@codyking4848 a train conductor is the person that checks/issues tickets and ensure safe operation. They have nothing to do with the actual operation of the train. That (as the oc states) is the engineer's job.
The Polish just owned Cody King so brutally
One would think steam would be near constant power because its just pressure pushing against a piston head.
Its not untill you realise that a crank is a lever that changes its leverage depending on its current rotation, do you see the whole picture
May we please have a moment of silence for the rails that were brutally slaughtered by Black 5 #5407.
he’s just resurfacing them lol
R.I.P Rails
"Wheelslip" -Maintenence people
Rest in pieces rails.
"I'll make 'em grip... even if I have to WELD THE WHEELS TO THE TRACK!"
gone but not forgotten 😢
I always thought it was cool in Polar Express when the train would slip for a split second when trying to accelerate. It's very cool to see that same behavior in reality, and I think goes to show how much detail the animators put into the film.
Just like the scene before when it drifts on ice
Truly one of the most realistic train films
@@weirdbookshelf49 Apart from the drifting on ice it is a realistic animation of a train 😂
@@stephaniegiacco7524that Tokyo drift they did is what made me fall in love with these big bad bitches. To each their own.
The wheelslip is like a drifting car cause the wheels loose grip on the tracks
people: trains can’t do burnouts
Engineer and fireman: HOLD OUR BEERS
Yush
Um, in clip 1, the train wheels didn't burn out, its just a wheel slip with sparks
*driver
@@Great_WesternTVFan They're joking though-
Driver*
"Come on, Henry, show a wheel!" Said his driver. Henry, in his new black paint, proceeded to scream the loudest death metal roar his driver ever heard. "Cinders and ashes, Henry! Calm down!" Yelled his driver above the din, but Henry couldn't hear. "RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!" bellowed Henry, but his driver had had enough. He shut off steam, and applied the brakes. "Oh..." said Henry "...you are a spoilsport! I was quite enjoying that! Especially the part where I could express years of repressed negative emotions in a creative manner!"
This is a very underrated comment
Did you just give Mattel a good idea
@@zmpjacksoncomics2077 I think maybe he just did
@Arion The Kid true
Beautiful
Traction control.exe has stopped working.
The First Era trains don’t have traction control lol. Dw Ik it was a joke
45596 Bahamas r/WoOoOsH
ibSuperMatt have you seen my second sentence? No need for the r/woosh
45596 Bahamas it was supposed to be ironic, it was a joke
that’s why it was in alternated caps
The funny thing is, if you know anything about how steam locomotives work, you know it's actually difficult to *prevent* this from happening!
Good Ol Betzy is a STRONG LADY and she loves to show off
Oh yes, all that torque plus wheels as smooth as glass. Its a miracle they can pull what they do.
Lots o sand.
@@phantomcorsair8476 why were the wheels made smooth?
I need some explanation
"The last door banged. The guard showed his green lamp. The Flying Kipper was ready to go."
Yay Flying Kipper!
"'Come on now, don't be silly, don't be silly.' The vans shuttered and groaned, trot-tric, trot-tric, 'All right, All right!'"
@Mr. Big Rick bruh that was when henry was a supposed A0 lcomotive
Lmfao
Not
Damn I miss steam engines, such powerful beasts. While they had their weakness they always managed to overcome them! So awesome!
Steam engines always stood out to me, they almost feel alive in a way that no other locomotive can match
steam engines didnt have any weakness other than prolonged speed at inclines. The lower the RPM of the engine the higher the torque. so it will eventually reach the top.
steam engines when they wheelslip horribly and ruin the very rails they ride on: I'm fine.
Diesels when their train is a little to heavy: I down't wanna puwl da twain waaaaaa-
Don’t forget the big boy locomotive
@@lilythrrose why did I even laugh at this
0:20 when you slip on ice but still manage to stay upright
*tokyo drift starts playing LOUDLY*
Polar express intensifies
200th like!
Lol
Reminds me of the polar express ice scene
The way it goes from absolutly destroying the rails to going back to being as slow and quiet as a snail so quickly like nothing ever happened is honestly kinda terrifying
0:20 Come on, come on, don't be silly, don't be silly!
Trickety trock trickety trock Al right alright
"hold back, hold back"
said the trucks
@Joel Bjornsson That was Oliver vs Scruffy in that episode lol
@@sonicrail5253 &&
@@joeythecat7482that's better that's better
It's amazing to me how much power these old machines had.
0:20 my brain when I try to study
I can relate to this
THE NUMBERS MASON
WHAT DO THEY MEAN
0:30 my brain when it becomes self-aware that I’m procrastinating
i can relate
Unrelatable. Be happy when you study.
Gordon snorted "I told you Henry couldn't pull the express, he doesn't even know how to speed up right!"
Why does that work so well?!
On this episode of daily dose of internet, we will see trains doing burnouts
Perish excruciatingly
and ill see you guys...verver soon!
It’s crazy the amount of momentum these metal parts are experiencing and don’t explode into pieces.
If you’ve ever heard of the Peppercorn A2 ‘Blue Peter’, you’d know it’s not entirely out of the question
Oh, sometimes they did. It made some nice pieces of surreal art.
I love how the driver was like "fuck it, full speed."
It was the engine who said that
Lol.
That's more like what happened to Blue Peter. An uncontrolled wheelslip reached a rotational speed of 140 mph which caused the cylinders to explode and the coupling rods and valve gear blew apart. You can find a video of it happening on here.
And he probably had to explain himself in front of his superiors. Wheel slips are not desired nor permitted. If engineer permitted for it to occur and last for a while, it would be a serious matter... like increased wear and tear on rails and wheels...
Exactly lol
Looks like poor Henry is having wheelslip problems.
looks like 5407 has irresponsible crew
Henry is an A1/ A3. It’s a Black 5 in the video
@@MorganTheTimeLordHenry used to be an A1/A3, but he had firing problems because of his tiny firebox. And after his "Flying Kipper" accident, he was rebuilt into an LMS Black 5, which made him stronger and better than ever.
When Henry was struggling to pull the flying kipper in “The Flying Kipper”
“Gordon was so eager to leave, his wheels spun in place at a rapid pace!”
Car guy: "I bet you can't do a burnout"
Steam engine driver: "Hold my beer"
lol
Steam locomotives may not be able to peel rubber, but this is far more badass anyway.
Grind steel
The last door banged, and the guard showed his green lamp, The flying kipper was ready to go! Come on, Come on, Don't be silly! Don't be silly! Puffed Henry to the freight cars. The cars shuttered and groaned Trickity Truck! Trickity Truck! Alright! Alright! That's better That's better. Puffed Henry.
Having been at the controls of a steam locomotive a very tiny bit of input on the throttle translates to a LOT of change in power. When I was the engineer, under supervision, I made sure to very slowly crack the steam valve open and wait a few seconds for the steam to start things moving before adding more throttle. Quite a few people gave it too much steam starting out and they just spun the drivers.
"Oh the indignity" exclaimed gordon
0:20 Amazon when I order a package at 11:59 with same-day delivery
*Underrated comment*
Even more speed: 11:59 59 second 59 milliseconds
0:20.... it's just a warm up before a drag race
"Henry's driver and fireman had jumped clear before the crash"
Does it really take them that long to get the wheels under control? Or are they just demonstrating wheel slip for the camera?
likely irresponsible handling.
Cuboy'dMC nope, the locomotive primed, meaning water from the boiler forced itself into the lines, forcing the throttle valve wide open. It can happen when the boiler is filled just a little too much. In a priming situation like that, let's just say that that engineer was VERY lucky he got it under control that quickly. Another British locomotive, Blue Peter, suffered a similar priming incident, but the engineer was not so lucky that time, as the locomotive was damaged, and if I remember correctly, the engineer was also injured in the incident trying to get it under control again.
With slips like this, don't immediately assume that it was irresponsibility/incompetence on behalf of the engineer, considering priming is something any steam locomotive can suffer from.
@@andrewlucia865 I said likely. I didn't say that it was 100% irresponsible handling. There really isn't any way of telling.
@@CuboydMC with wheelslip that severe, I think it's easier to conclude that something went wrong with the locomotive, as any engineer certified would not have let that happen willingly.
Your post basically said it was likely bad management by the driver, without bringing up that there were other possible reasons. In context, without knowing anything else, it looked as if you had come to the conclusion that the engineer was at fault. Using likely in the context you did makes it come across more like you knew, rather than putting it as a possibility.
@@andrewlucia865 I didn't know. Most people also said it was poor handling and so did I. So I thought there was nothing wrong with saying it was likely irresponsible handling. Of course I didn't bring up any other possibility because that's what I thought *likely* happened. Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this. You move on with your day, and I'll move on with mine. Good day.
Somewhere Jeremy Clarkson is screaming “POWER!!!!!”
0:08-0:48 “come along, come along” said Henry
“Trickety trock, trickety trock, alright, alright” grumbled the trucks
My name is Percy
Top and hat
@@percy8922 Thats better, thats better, puffed Henry
A rare deleted prototype footage of Henry struggling to pull the Flying Kipper.
0:20 Henry.exe has stopped working
So this is how High Speed Gordon must have looked like.
These wheel slips can refer to many Thomas episodes. But I think the story it suits best is the RWS book story High Speed Gordon. Because Gordon’s wheels spin wildly and uncontrollably after he grounds to a stand still at the big station.
Yes!!! That what this reminds me of too!!!
Bring them back. I’m new to the train scene in my adult years but my love for them went back to childhood. I always loved looking at the big terrifying beasts and thankfully my state has a lot of rich history with trains. Could we not simply correct the deficiencies in steam locomotives with modern technology? As to “why” we would do so simply for elegance and beauty. Nothing wrong with wanting form AND function.
It’s more a matter of getting the coal for them, which is not really mined anymore in Germany, the US or other countries. That started with private households not using coal for heating anymore and when Arc Ovens became the standard for steel plants the coal usage was pretty much powerplants only, so it got more expensive and shipping it from Africa or Australia and China is pretty costly. Also the needed water infrastructure and boiler explosion where a bit too much.
Also, maintenance costs. The main "deficiency" of a steam locomotive is the boiler itself, which is a massive pressure vessel that goes through pressure and heat changes, slowly weakening the metal towards a massive explosion. We've tried fixing that with modern technology and the result is known as the diesel locomotive.
@@matejlieskovsky9625Not to mention having to either keep the boiler hot all the time or spend several hours getting them ready to move (wasting a load of fuel in the process in either case). Diesel-electrics just start like a car.
henry struggling with a heavy goods train
ouch6908 the flying kipper*
non
i blame the trucks
Shut the fuck up you Thomas fanboys
@@jmtrainz2582 No you.
I came to this video for Henry struggling with the Flying Kipper and Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear operating the Flying Scotsman.
The original vid got taken down, thanks for posting. Also: budget rail grinder!
Why did it get taken down?
PSOV UA-cam got shut down.
@@harrymurray2515 why
I don't know. I last went on their youtube channel back in march.
@@harrymurray2515 oh
Reverser at full forward, cylinder cocks open, and probably both valves wide open. Combine all that with a throttle happy engineer, and a bit of wet track, and you have the perfect recipe for Wheelslip.
0:20 fireman fire.exe has stopped working
Yep All out the stack
“Pull back! Pull back!” The trucks giggled.
"Come on! Come on!
*_DONT BE SILLYDONT BE SILLYDONT BE SILLYDONT BE SILLY_* "
Black 5: how would you like your tracks today me: *WELL DONE* black 5: (burns tracks alive)
That moment when you realize the deadline is tomorrow
and you finished 1% of the homework:
true
Fun fact: this engine is still around today
What about the second engine? Is that one still around?
0:20 me when I launch my 4014 train and 844
When tom and jerry warms up before they run
Just about the most irresponsible handling of a steam loco I have ever seen (clip 1 that is)
MikesMovies I agree
Shouldn't be in the cab of that thing
No, they had to. The black 5 wouldn’t fit under the signal and thus had to wheel slip to shave off metal from the wheels to make it sit lower.
Edit like 1 year later:
Over here questioning why this comment of pure stupidity has 52 likes 😂
Anyway, I think it is rather obvious that this comment is absolutely retarded and completely false - I think majority of us believe that it was either by an unexperienced crew , or they're just doing it for show..
I believe that sums up after 1 year of actually using my brain
Have a good day all 👌
H A R V E Y P H I L L I P S
You sure??
That doesn't sound right
@@dodge2340 yes....
@@_chp_ I call bull, that;'s not only dangerous but that can totally f**k a loco up and damaging the rails. Sounds VERY dodgy and dangerous IMHO.
in the background you hear a shrill scream. "CLAAARRRKSON"
All the flat spots are ironed out Driver!
It just goes to show, these mechanical beasts can be too powerful for their own good.
Nice pfp
Steamers like these are essentially dinosaurs on rails. Ancient and mighty indeed.
Jacksepticeye in the cab: *SPEED IS KEY!*
@Michael Fodde's gaming you mean firemen
Never thought I'd ever see a train do a burnout
Terry crews in the distance: "P-P-P, P P P-Powa!"
It's me.
"Come on Henry, don't be a Fuss!" The fireman said.
Henry: Come on! Come on! Don't be silly! Dont't be silly!
Some trains will always have problems with wheel slip whenever the rails are wet! They might even have to use sanders to avoid wheel slip whenever the rails are wet! :)
I worked as a dispatch for a train company and some of my Driver Crews must be dumping sand by the bag load...
how can Rudi use almost no sand and haul ass so much he is 3 hours early and then there is paul coming late and needing to refill the whole sand tank each time.
@@Yokoto12343
I guess they were probably both driving different models that had different traction properties! Some trains are great with wet rails while others always slip on wet rails! :)
Thomas never felt this way before...
His wheels felt weak.
0:33 you Spin me right now
Round*
Ah yes as Jeremy Clarkson once said “SPEED AND POWER”
Once? ONCE???? YOU SUUUUURE HE SAID IT... ONCE?
@@fakerafay I just said “once” because of how the saying goes, I know he said it more than once
Who needs a dedicated track grinder when you have a black 5
insane the scale of a machine that is effectively at all times, just a few valves away from sending tons of steel moving at speeds enough to split spacetime itself
I believe the old saying is "A steam engine can pull more cars than it can start, while a diesel can start more cars than it can pull".
No traction control. We drive like real men.
"Steady ol'boy you might strain yourself" said his driver
Henry, pulling the Flying Kipper!! At full power! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼🚂🚂🚂
“Keep going! You’re good! You’re good! You’re good! Aaaaaaaaaaand stop. Don’t worry, Captain. We’ll buff out those scratches.”
That's what happens when you put your model trains at full speed XD
Never thought I’d be watching train burnouts at 3 am
Who needs a rail grinder when you have a steam locomotive?
this happens when you immediately go full power at a full stop.
Can't imagine how much they had to pay for wheel damage
They don’t, there’s a real reason for doing it...plus steel on steel is barely any damage
@@archsixx2845 and what if the wheel cools down and cracks form in said wheel?
@@archsixx2845 what is the reason? im curious
@Morahman7vnNo2 yea i figured it doesnt do damage but i thought it could olso have some practicle use for it
“Something’s broken inside you, Gordon.”
if you listen very closely, you can hear the eurobeat the train driver's were listening to as they pulled off this sick drift
"Attention passengers, uh..."
*Prepare for takeoff*
0:19 - 0:40 NOW THAT’S A LOTTA WHEELSLIP!
No it goes like this
NOW THAT'S A LOT OF DAMAGE
C’mon, c’mon, don’t be silly, don’t be silly!
Trock-trick-trock-trick, alright, alright!
That’s better, that’s better.
0:17 Henry pulled the heavy load, as he pulled the wheels slipped violently, Henry pulled harder still, "Come along, come along!" he shouted, "trickery trot, trickery trot, alright, alright!" said the freight cars. with all his might, Henry got the train under control again.
“Where we’re going, we don’t need rails”
0:20 My bike wheels when im trying to get away from a dog
sounds like you need new tires my guy
The problem with these engines is that when you open the regulator (or close it) there is a whole lot of piping until the steam reaches the cylinders. This tends to put a delay between the throttle and the reaction from the engine. The worst thing is when you feel that the engine is about to wheelslip, you close the regulator but it won't do anything.
How long is the delay typically?
@@thegeforce6625Well, as with all railroad things, it depends.
Some engines have the throttle in the steam dome and a dry pipe directly to the cylinders. Most early locos were set up in that way.
Some engines have superheaters, which add about twice the length of the engine in terms of piping. D&RGW k-37s have that
Some engines like the Big Boy have front end throttles, which means that the throttle is at the end of all the piping, effectively removing all the delay.
In general the delay goes from fractions of a second to a full second or two.
This is what i call HotWheels
Imagine if we could replicate the power and magnificence of these external combustion engines with a cleaner fuel.
That was a great burnout, better than any car burnout, that I have seen.
Suddenly, out of nowhere, a flatspot appears in it's natural habitat after hearing the mating call of a wheelslip
0:20 my man does a burnout on a steam locomotive
Idk why I can in my mind hear the driver screaming “NO TREAD FOOT LEAD” while doing it
I love 5407 that is great wheel slip light them up & make a rail grinder out of it
People:"trains cant do burnouts"
5407:"hold my coal"
You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round right round
God, the *pounding* of those cylinders.
And yet some people still say steam engines are outclassed in power.
I say bullshit.
If you spin the wheels till the tires are almost molten then you slow down and they get really good traction and adhere to the track. If the locomotive is on fire after you do that it won't matter because you'll be fired
I would wonder if she has an unbalanced throttle/regulator (a lot of locos in the UK did). With an unbalanced throttle the pressures/forces on the throttle are uneven and in the event of a slip a large volume of steam can pass through throttle/regulator and with the unbalanced type this large volume of steam passing through the regulator can make it very difficult/impossible to close so the slip can get out of control quite quickly.
Static friction (the friction between the wheel and rail when the wheel is holding the rail) is greater than kinetic friction (friction between moving/sliding objects) so once the loco breaks loose power needs to be greatly reduced to stop the slip.
In the event of an uncontrolled slip, the way to reduce power is to hook the valve gear up to center (steam will still be admitted to push on the piston but will have greatly reduced power) and opening the cylinder cocks will also help reduce power (not by a lot when the valve gear is near full gear but will help more so when less steam is being admitted). However if the loco has a manual screw reverse of Johnson bar it may be very difficult to center the valve gear during an uncontrolled slip due to the friction/forces that are on the valve gear.
Sand should not be put down when the wheels are slipping as one side can grab while the other side is still slipping which can put severe stress on the axles, crank pins, rods and can break/bend those parts.
Some locos are light on their feet and can slip pretty easily. In the USA most builders/railroads wanted 4 lbs. on the drivers for ever 1 lb. of tractive effort. Less than that and locos tended to be slippery.
Stopping on sand is the best way to avoid a slip when starting on a hill/when it is slippery, but even then the loco can still slip.
These aren't obsolete by any means. Still has got tons of power to pull any modern loads. They just needed more care and upkeep while operating.
0:52 The locomotive would be like: "Welp, looks like i'm not going to be able to move today."
That moment when you realise that your grandfather invented the burnout decades before you...