Interesting take away points: 1. Under hypercarry setup, shorter rotation subdps makes a huge difference. Yinlin would really need her S2 to shorten her rotation length to stay on par with other moonlit subdpsers. 2. Her damage would be significantly better on Void Thunder set, but you also sacrifice moonlit buff and might need to lean heavier on quickswap. I don't have a well built Xiangli yet to test, though. This also means you need two sets of echoes for Yinlin and XY, which could be a luxury unobtainable yet for some players. 3. All of the above emphasize your point that at this current stage, there is no "must have or your account is bricked" character in WuWa. Which is a great thing to celebrate as there is always someone you can pair your main DPS with. The underline chokepoint to achieve such feat is all in the echoes set.
@@Negiku10 seconds is massive for tower of adversity especially for high levels. On the middle tower, this will shift to like 15 seconds and can be the difference between 2 and 3 star.
Sahuas Design in general is really strong - the fact that she does nothing than just pump out ult and skill means she has huge dps, especially when she is built - the concerto regen is absurd and that means more time for your main dps on field and good energy regen and heron uptime - yinlins buff is not even long enough to last for the entire ult duration of XLY meaning the last e does not even benefit from the buff AFAIK - the fact that at least some basic attacks are used is also good. Yangyang is basically the same and can be even stronger if the fight has multitarget stages. That said - the echoes used here are godrolls and i needed the whole 2 minutes with my XLY and Sanhua Team (but also did not have verina in it) but i got it done and it was my first full tower clear as F2P with skill issue xD (forgot the whole fight to use a heavy attack to trigger the other 15% of the electro set for example *facepalm*) All in all - XLY and Sanhua are a beast of a team and a godsend to F2P Accounts for the current tower
Not true. Yinlin outro can last for the entire duration of XY ultimate. It's all about rotation and what you're doing in his ultimate. If you're using Void Thunder with Tempest or Thundering XY Echo - Swap to Yinlin - Yinlin Outro (XY Intro) - Liberation - Skill - Plunge - Skill (Forte) - Basic attack full (dodge if necessary) - Skill (Forte) - Skill - Plunge - Skill Forte Note: After using skill (not forte) in Ultimate, you will stay in mid air, so your basic attack will immediately plunge. Do not jump again to trigger the plunge. Additional note: If possible, never dodge when using his skill (not forte) when in his Ultimate, you're going to lose 2-3 stacks. This is most likely the reason why your Yinlin Outro can't last the entire XY Ult duration. If you're using Lingering Tunes, then the first step can be moved after Intro since Lingering Tunes is a summon echo. Also, if you're doing a simple rotation like Support - Sub DPS - Main DPS, you need 120-125% ER to always trigger Xiangli Yao ultimate. If you can do some quickswap to Xiangli Yao before Yinlin Outro, less than 120% ER can work.
@@pramanakumalaputra507 wow what a detailed breakdown - i know the rotation but someone timed it at 15 seconds till the last forte e =) i havent checked maybe the measurement was wrong or there was an echo or additional e before the ult counted for the rotation =) I do not have Yinlin myself so cant test - but i think its safe to say its a very narrow timeframe and yinlin is not perfect as the sub dps like she was for calcharo
@@dennisvogel5982 Unfortunately it is really narrow. Even with the rotation I wrote above, Yinlin buff will end as soon as you trigger the last XY skill forte. So, if XY gets knocked away, XY attack misses, or XY ultimate isn't ready after Intro, XY will lose Yinlin buff before finishing his entire ultimate. It's kinda annoying because you need to tank some hits from the enemy to maximize the damage or your last forte will not get Yinlin buff.
i'm building my s6 sanhua now coz i don't have yinlin. so 130 er is already for her? should i focus more on amping sanhua's dps? and what skill upgrade should i prioritize?
Always focus first on your dps and get their talents maxed if possible. Then you can start working on Sanhua 😄 Sanhua with level 6 talents should be enough to get her job done. As for talent priority, imo it's forte = burst > skill > intro Since your sanhua is s6 you don't really need to level up your basic attack
@@JulleeusToo all my dps are well built. that's why i want to focus now on my sub dps and supports. especially now my sanhua is s6 already. thanks for the input. one more thing. please make a lot of rotation guides. goodluck and more power!
@@rinzu3188great! Building Sanhua is a very good long term investment imo Also yeah i'll be doing an easy rotation guide for Xiangli Yao soon! Stay tuned 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Imo, there's big gap between the build it self. Sanhua isnt rc6 and not lv90 yet, his skill hasnt been built, moteover xly basic attack skill is still not upgraded (which is being boosted by sanhua)? Will it possible to get 3-5 sec differences when your sanhua is maxed?
well XLY's basic attack talent level does not really matter, since his BA talent level only boosts his BA when not in burst mode. his Basic attack multiplier in ult mode still comes from the ultimate's talent itself. also yeah, if Sanhua is maxed, maybe 6-5 seconds difference is possible
@@algorithmic_gaming I understand Zhezhi, but why taoqi? Does she help Jinshi generate e gauge? Only thing I remember about Taoqi is that she can counter 🥲
@@algorithmic_gaming Wrong lol Still the jinshi/Yinlin/verina is still the highst dps Team for jinshi Watch the calculations of this little Mathe gramlin i guess her name ist magi? Or smth like that Zhezhi more comfy but Yinlin is higher dps, even in jinshis teams
i dont think it makes much difference since her multipliers are not that high, also standard sword is as good as a limited weapon, its just too freaking good especially for sub dps, but still i guess yinlin is an electro set user not a moonlit user i guess :o
Even a lvl 90 would make no difference. It may be shorter by like 1 second because even at equal levels and skills, yinlin does more damage and buff xiangli more. Sanhua's purpose is just the moonlit buff and she does it quicker than yinlin even at lvl 1
In yinlin's team, he can do much more than what he did here, my xiangli yao' highest damage in yinlin's team is 298k, so what i think is yinlin's team is still way better than sanhua, and if someone don't have sanhua, they can try xiangli yao + rover/encore + jianxin. i tried this one and its insanely cracked.
Well that's just the matter of how well built your Xiangli Yao is, since the buffs don't change from gearing Yinlin. I'd reckon if his Sanhua was S6, the times would probably be even, even with Sanhua being undergeared.
so... doesn't playing with sanhua requires to that thing where you need to use a heavy attack in the right time on her forte? did that happen and i didn't notice or you didn't do it and its not necessarily? and would changli instead of her be a dmg increase for the ones who don't have yinlin? or sanhua is better?
Sanhua's forte is the most important part of sanhua's kit haha. It happens less than a second, maybe you missed it, but i always do it after my burst. You need to watch really closely
you know that Sanhua's outro still buffs Xiangli Yao's basic attack even in ult mode right? But you're right, I could have swapped cancel on the last hypercube to get faster rotations, so that's on me 😄
Interesting take away points:
1. Under hypercarry setup, shorter rotation subdps makes a huge difference. Yinlin would really need her S2 to shorten her rotation length to stay on par with other moonlit subdpsers.
2. Her damage would be significantly better on Void Thunder set, but you also sacrifice moonlit buff and might need to lean heavier on quickswap. I don't have a well built Xiangli yet to test, though. This also means you need two sets of echoes for Yinlin and XY, which could be a luxury unobtainable yet for some players.
3. All of the above emphasize your point that at this current stage, there is no "must have or your account is bricked" character in WuWa. Which is a great thing to celebrate as there is always someone you can pair your main DPS with. The underline chokepoint to achieve such feat is all in the echoes set.
damn monarch theme goes with everything
I wonder if they will add a thing for u to listen to music in challanges like hologram and tower
@@declanakaba8013 woh, that would be dope, can't wait to listen to "bersersk - my brother " while playing geshu lin later on XD
A huge difference tbh
The damage difference sure is high, but Sanhua made up for it by having shorter field time
A huge huge 10 seconds difference.
@@Negiku10 seconds is massive for tower of adversity especially for high levels. On the middle tower, this will shift to like 15 seconds and can be the difference between 2 and 3 star.
dayum, i thought yao basic attack in liberation mode was considered as liberation dmg.
That's what I thought too at first, lmao. Turns out the description does not state that the basic attack is considered as liberation damage
@@JulleeusTooDoes that mean that forte lvls for his basic actually matter?
@@НадеждаГлебова-м6х no, cus the multiplier is still coming from the liberation forte
@@JulleeusToo Phew, thank you 😅
No. The 3 consecutive scales BAm
Sahuas Design in general is really strong - the fact that she does nothing than just pump out ult and skill means she has huge dps, especially when she is built - the concerto regen is absurd and that means more time for your main dps on field and good energy regen and heron uptime - yinlins buff is not even long enough to last for the entire ult duration of XLY meaning the last e does not even benefit from the buff AFAIK - the fact that at least some basic attacks are used is also good.
Yangyang is basically the same and can be even stronger if the fight has multitarget stages.
That said - the echoes used here are godrolls and i needed the whole 2 minutes with my XLY and Sanhua Team (but also did not have verina in it) but i got it done and it was my first full tower clear as F2P with skill issue xD (forgot the whole fight to use a heavy attack to trigger the other 15% of the electro set for example *facepalm*)
All in all - XLY and Sanhua are a beast of a team and a godsend to F2P Accounts for the current tower
Not true. Yinlin outro can last for the entire duration of XY ultimate. It's all about rotation and what you're doing in his ultimate.
If you're using Void Thunder with Tempest or Thundering
XY Echo - Swap to Yinlin - Yinlin Outro (XY Intro) - Liberation - Skill - Plunge - Skill (Forte) - Basic attack full (dodge if necessary) - Skill (Forte) - Skill - Plunge - Skill Forte
Note: After using skill (not forte) in Ultimate, you will stay in mid air, so your basic attack will immediately plunge. Do not jump again to trigger the plunge.
Additional note: If possible, never dodge when using his skill (not forte) when in his Ultimate, you're going to lose 2-3 stacks. This is most likely the reason why your Yinlin Outro can't last the entire XY Ult duration.
If you're using Lingering Tunes, then the first step can be moved after Intro since Lingering Tunes is a summon echo.
Also, if you're doing a simple rotation like Support - Sub DPS - Main DPS, you need 120-125% ER to always trigger Xiangli Yao ultimate. If you can do some quickswap to Xiangli Yao before Yinlin Outro, less than 120% ER can work.
@@pramanakumalaputra507 wow what a detailed breakdown - i know the rotation but someone timed it at 15 seconds till the last forte e =) i havent checked maybe the measurement was wrong or there was an echo or additional e before the ult counted for the rotation =) I do not have Yinlin myself so cant test - but i think its safe to say its a very narrow timeframe and yinlin is not perfect as the sub dps like she was for calcharo
@@dennisvogel5982 Unfortunately it is really narrow. Even with the rotation I wrote above, Yinlin buff will end as soon as you trigger the last XY skill forte. So, if XY gets knocked away, XY attack misses, or XY ultimate isn't ready after Intro, XY will lose Yinlin buff before finishing his entire ultimate.
It's kinda annoying because you need to tank some hits from the enemy to maximize the damage or your last forte will not get Yinlin buff.
i'm building my s6 sanhua now coz i don't have yinlin. so 130 er is already for her? should i focus more on amping sanhua's dps? and what skill upgrade should i prioritize?
Always focus first on your dps and get their talents maxed if possible. Then you can start working on Sanhua 😄
Sanhua with level 6 talents should be enough to get her job done. As for talent priority, imo it's forte = burst > skill > intro
Since your sanhua is s6 you don't really need to level up your basic attack
@@JulleeusToo all my dps are well built. that's why i want to focus now on my sub dps and supports. especially now my sanhua is s6 already. thanks for the input.
one more thing. please make a lot of rotation guides. goodluck and more power!
@@rinzu3188great! Building Sanhua is a very good long term investment imo
Also yeah i'll be doing an easy rotation guide for Xiangli Yao soon! Stay tuned 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Imo, there's big gap between the build it self. Sanhua isnt rc6 and not lv90 yet, his skill hasnt been built, moteover xly basic attack skill is still not upgraded (which is being boosted by sanhua)?
Will it possible to get 3-5 sec differences when your sanhua is maxed?
well XLY's basic attack talent level does not really matter, since his BA talent level only boosts his BA when not in burst mode.
his Basic attack multiplier in ult mode still comes from the ultimate's talent itself.
also yeah, if Sanhua is maxed, maybe 6-5 seconds difference is possible
It's similar to calcharo unless you do quick swap. Yinlin provides bigger burst on liberation but with sanhua I have more overall dmg
yinlin is for dmg per screenshot, sanhua for shorter rotation, in any case, accumulated dmg would favor the one with shorter rotation,
his highest multipliers is on ult and inhanced skill which are boath liberation damage
Yup! I love his kit so much
Got it, I can now slot my Yinling into magistrate’s team
Yinlin isn't great for Jinhsi. Zhezhi or Taoqi is better
@@algorithmic_gaming I understand Zhezhi, but why taoqi? Does she help Jinshi generate e gauge? Only thing I remember about Taoqi is that she can counter 🥲
@@algorithmic_gaming
Wrong lol
Still the jinshi/Yinlin/verina is still the highst dps Team for jinshi
Watch the calculations of this little Mathe gramlin i guess her name ist magi? Or smth like that
Zhezhi more comfy but Yinlin is higher dps, even in jinshis teams
sanhua is lvl 70 with lvl 4 skills and stander weapon so the 10 sec diffrance puts yinlin to shame xD , if only she was invested in like yinlin
i dont think it makes much difference since her multipliers are not that high, also standard sword is as good as a limited weapon, its just too freaking good especially for sub dps, but still i guess yinlin is an electro set user not a moonlit user i guess :o
Even a lvl 90 would make no difference. It may be shorter by like 1 second because even at equal levels and skills, yinlin does more damage and buff xiangli more. Sanhua's purpose is just the moonlit buff and she does it quicker than yinlin even at lvl 1
In yinlin's team, he can do much more than what he did here, my xiangli yao' highest damage in yinlin's team is 298k, so what i think is yinlin's team is still way better than sanhua, and if someone don't have sanhua, they can try xiangli yao + rover/encore + jianxin. i tried this one and its insanely cracked.
Well that's just the matter of how well built your Xiangli Yao is, since the buffs don't change from gearing Yinlin. I'd reckon if his Sanhua was S6, the times would probably be even, even with Sanhua being undergeared.
so... doesn't playing with sanhua requires to that thing where you need to use a heavy attack in the right time on her forte? did that happen and i didn't notice or you didn't do it and its not necessarily?
and would changli instead of her be a dmg increase for the ones who don't have yinlin? or sanhua is better?
Sanhua's forte is the most important part of sanhua's kit haha. It happens less than a second, maybe you missed it, but i always do it after my burst. You need to watch really closely
Holy what lind of graphic and it is so smooth. Is it 120fps
Yeah I'm playing at 120 fps
Unfortunately youtube converts it into 60 fps lol
Do you have xiangli and sanhua rotations guide details?
I'll make an easy one soon!
Should I give more CR or more CD to Yao?
If u don't have 60+ crit rate then crit rate. (CD is useless if u can't even use it)
Yeah, definitely go for crit rate. Even with 68% Crit Rate i still find him hard to crit sometimes 😂
Void thunder is better than lingering tunes?
Depends on what team. Hypercarry>LT, quickswap>VT.
does sanhua buff basic atka in yao's liberation?
and thanks for the video btw i was looking for this yao sanhua comp
Yes, she does buff yao's basic in ult mode
Why don't quickswap with Sanhua? you are playing it the worst way possible man. Like you needed the outro Sanhua buff lmao
you know that Sanhua's outro still buffs Xiangli Yao's basic attack even in ult mode right? But you're right, I could have swapped cancel on the last hypercube to get faster rotations, so that's on me 😄
@@JulleeusToo Xiangli yao basic damage is like 7% or less of his total damage man is worthless, you should cancel his long animations
To be honest I thought the difference would be abysmal, considering that yinlin is at 90 and sanhua at 71 the difference is not that much xd
The fact that u don’t even have sanhua s6 this video shouldn’t even be released
I mean as long as you get the general idea that's all that matters.
@@JulleeusToo 20% boost is a lot.
@@scvmvxnity I'm not saying it isn't
? the vid does sanhua justice lmao, a 10 second diff while not s6 is crazy good
@@nebula5737 yeah but the video is show casing a invested yinlin comparing to a mid sanhua 💀