Ahh the comments section on youtube... where humanity goes to die. I really regret scrolling down here. It's really quite unfortunate men can't become pregnant. I feel like we'd have a lot more legislation in favor of support for families. I think it's also important to acknowledge that pregnancy isn't always a decision, accidents do happen. If a coworker of mine were pregnant I wouldn't mind helping out, that's what being a human being is about. I'd like to hope that we all work as a team, a team that helps each other out instead of bringing each other down.
Have you ever hired someone to do something? What if they showed up and said that they're not going to work for 9 months but want you to continue to pay them, anyway.
It is such a pain to come back to work after 4 month after delivery and hear that others came back even earlier… A lot of pain! Would be great to give time at least till 6 month old. But the best is 1 year ( at least can start to reduce breastfeeding and have less stress and pain at work). Thank you for the Talk!
Must be nice to afford thousands of dollars of free cash and benefits because you made a personal choice that has nothing to do with your employer. Must be nice
I worked as a CNA for Avamere Transitional Care Of Puget Sound until 37 weeks and my doctor said no more. I went on unpaid maternity leave for three months and was fired during that time even though they said I could return after approval from my doctor. I had to reapply for my job and was denied the sign on bonus that came with the position. I also never received my sick leave and holiday pay cashed out after being fired.
so true. This is happening in Europe too. What's more, is the attitude of society towards pregnant women. They expect us to deliver our babies while at work.
Robert Willis if a man injures himself, according to the LAW he is given office work / is allowed to take a leave which is normally covered, until he is able to come back to work. As a pregnant woman you are not always given these options, you are often harassed, no matter how well you do your job and bullied by morons who hate you for something that's actually perfectly natural and that should be encouraged. It happened to me to get bullied by one of my bosses and fired when in fact my performance did not suffer from the fact I was pregnant and this is something confirmed by my other employers. I couldn't do much in regards to this legally and quite frankly, since the pregnancy is stressful and difficult enough as it is, I didn't see fit to burden myself even more with legal pursuits. Got it now?
Robert Willis and you have no right to tell anyone what they should do about their lives and their bodies. How dare you tell me not to get pregnant? How the fuck should a woman know in advance if pregnancy is going to be difficult or not, you smart ass? Each pregnancy is different! Of course if you find it too difficult to cope with the job you quit! But if you can do the job and simply get fucked up by morons who just love to make your life miserable because they hate pregnant women and women in general, that means it's an unfair situation! Why are you commenting on this without even listening to her talk? Also, a pregnant woman should stop working when she feels she can't do the job anymore. It should be a legal option and the society in which she lives should not make it impossible financially or otherwise for her to leave a job she can't do anymore. It's inhumane to work past 7 months especially when you carry a large baby, at least in my view! It's inhumane to tell someone that pregnancy is a 'fault' as idiots like you say. It's inhumane to let a pregnant woman stand on the bus while you rest your balls on the fucking chair like a pig! It's inhumane to lecture someone about their ability to do their job when I bet you don't flip flop and fuck yourself up for the job when you've got a shitty flu. So piss off!
+CAMPO my mom worked ALL her life and she was a single mom, after my dad left us. I never lacked anything. We were in fact quite rich comparing to families where both parents worked, because my mother had a highly skilled job. My grandmother babysitted me while mom was at work and this was great fun. It's the usual system in the country where I grew up. People look after each other. It's not inhumane at all, it's normal in my culture. I preferred having an educated, active mom to being at home all the time with a bored, depressive and unaccomplished woman. I work because I like to, because it makes me feel alive and useful in society, not a rag and a burden at my husband's door. I hope you understand cultural difference.
Robert Willis the fact that you didn't notice discrimination against pregnant women doesn't mean it's not happening. I was treated like utter shit by one of my employers, for example, so I know very well what I'm talking about!
nainjatt The government is giving me zero, nil, nothing to stay at home! I paid taxes, my husband paid taxes. I expected something back. When a man gets ill and he has to stay home, he gets support. Apparently I don't have the same rights due to some legal hacks in my contact. There are millions who stay home without having EVER paid tax and they get benefits, they actually live off benefits. My initial problem was not about benefits, but about fair treatment in work, which is again, not always the case, despite legislation and so on.
those who commented things like hiring women in their reproductive age will ruin you, or that employers should not take the responsibility of women's choice to get pregnant and have kids, or even that women are entitled because they want to have paid maternity leave, just don't see the bigger picture. We are trying to create a sustainable system that enables society to produce not only competent and skilled citizens but also make sure that these citizens are emotionally and psychologically fit. If moms are not given support to be there and bond with their babies in months or weeks after their birth, which is a very critical time for babies' development, we are also somehow depriving the for the future generation the nurturing they need as well as the chance of developing into holistically better citizens.
I wonder though how easy/hard it is to prove firing, not hiring, or demotion due to pregnancy? Like, its not like an employer will admit that its cuz of pregnancy... They will just give some BS excuse.
I am glad that such an informative, compassionate, delightful, and necessary talk exists. We do need to embrace pregnant women and families, including the need for family leave. Four months is not quite long enough, but it is a start. As coworkers, we can help and support pregnant ladies on the job. As bosses, we can go above and beyond to assist her in some tasks, as well as offering paid time off as long as possible. If possible, offer the same thing for the fathers, as they will be invaluable around the house, and bonding helps the entire family. If people know that pregnancy and family is supported and encouraged in this country, other positive outcomes will occur, too, including family longevity, decreased abortion rates, increased job productivity, and decrease in crime, among other major things. C'mon, America--let's love our families.
True story USA here , I at 28 was trying to purchase supplemental health insurance , but pregnancy is considered a pre existing condition. However if I quit my job I'd automatically qualify for welfare & when I did go on maternity I had to go on short term disability & use my vacation time
These benefits should really come from the government, not employers. There should also be govt after school programs so that mothers (or fathers) didn’t have to leave work early to pick up their kids. And there should be a ton more programs to help families, if this society wants to be healthy.
I'm not saying I don't agree, but those programs will ultimately be funded via taxes. Who's going to go for that?! A lot of people in this country hate and resent those kind of taxes.
I had a job where the woman hiring manager and catholic boss, wouldn't put me up the ladder because I'm pro-life catholic female who just got married. after I worked 4 years for the company. her words were we don't consider you to be long term.... were looking for someone who can stay at the company for 20 years .so I quit moved on and work for a good company now....... we are unable to have children. I deserve to at least be paid fair for my hard work.
What was the name of that company please? I would very much like to apply to work for them, I like their wise sensible policy of not promoting the obvious waste of time, my breeding years are done, I DO want a solid 20 year career with a company, and I am at NO risk to waste months of company time and thousands of dollars of company money on maternity leave.
I remember being fired the day after letting my employer - a small non-profit ngo by the way - that I was pregnant. I had all copies of my very good work reviews. Had I not been in a car accident a few days previously, I would have gone to Court, but did not have the energy. After showing EI the reviews, they even suggested I sue the NGO.
wow we are not number one in this issue USA should provide payed maternity leave I know japan it is expedited for the woman to take off 2 years payed maternity then return to her job with the same rate of pay. America is all about money that is for sure.
Mum's shouldn't feel pressured to go back to work after having children. The women giving the talk (rant) is exactly the kind of women who looks down her nose at stay at home mums. The kind that pressures women into staying away from her children leaving them for someone else to raise.
We have that, from the government. Mother or father (the first 70 days are reserved only for the mother). Until the baby is around 18 months old. And full salary, unless it is above the maximum limit. Dad gets additional 10 days paid leave 2 months prior or after the birth, as he desires. Plus, you can work being on the leave ( and get paid max 1500 €, without losing from the parental leave pay. If it gets higher, they gradually reduce the parental leave pay until min of 50%), so you could stay somewhat on track with your work, if you want.
Oh, and one more thing. If you are a working woman, you can stay home up to 70 days before your due date, with sick leave equalling 100% of your last years earnings.
If all women stopped having babies for even 1 full year, the US economy would plummit. We should teach the US a lesson. Sadly, the unemployed women who get checks for having their babies would not allow for this change.
If we think from an employer side then they have to pay more to a female employee as compared to male employee and all these are without work. If a company get same employee with same qualifications and same experience then which one the company will choose a male or female.
Sure it's illegal but good luck proving it. There's always a "good reason" to fire someone and you can get away with discrimination by just stating any of the other legal reasons
While i am against discrimination, I would like to have seen the issues actually addressed on a number of points. Pregnant women in the work force often Do impose greater work loads on their coworkers. You said able to perform all "major" functions, but this does not include all functions, yet the coworkers being asked to carry the additional load are not being compensated for the additional work. Employers having to find temporary replacements are bearing an additional cost in finding said temp, training them and so on. These are legitimate issues yet you ignore them. I ask this honestly, how is it equal to be asked to be expected to do less work for the same pay? I'm not saying we don't need the maternity leave, just asking for a bit of truth and less attitude i guess. Your asking for special treatment and acting as if your being slighted. The demands for future generations does require effort, and women bare the brunt of some of this but at least acknowledge that some counter points are valid.
The major question is, why do we as a society only consider what happens in offices as work. Every company needs future employees and they come from good families who spend time and effort into raising them. Why should this be considered a spare time activity that does not deserve to be paid, even though it is the basis of keeping the economy running. No kids now would mean no economy in 40 years.
@@ctzn291139 because she was sarcastic when she was bringing up the stereo types and was kinda sliding in the idea that it's just sexism and description
sorry, my business is not here for women to be paid while pumping out kid after kid...not going to happen. Period. If you want kids, save and retire to raise them, don't put this on employers.
I'm assuming you don't have kids? I got pregnant unexpectedly, and was absolutely devastated because I will not recieve maternity pay and wasn't ready. But I'm not going to abort my child to make life easier, so what do you suggest women do in this tough situation? It's not fair and it's not right.
I bet every man who becomes a father walks into his bosses office at one point and asks for a raise - because he has to support his family. Don’t you think a woman who asks for a paid maternity leave is doing the same thing - she is asking for an increase in total lifetime compensation to support her family. If that’s entitlement, both genders are entitled.
Or, like I said, YOU can take responsibility for your own choices. I didn't have children until I was 30. At that time we were making enough money for me to take time off. Women make the decision to become mothers, not business owners. ALL companies suffer because of this and I care plenty about my employees when they're doing their jobs properly. We've had maybe 2 employees that were rehired after giving birth. If I had a position open and they were a good employee. Unless I'M the one getting you pregnant, I'll NOT be the one paying for anything to do with your child. This falls on the woman and man who has CHOSEN to have children. Use some common sense here. You may as well ask your neighbors to give you an extra paycheck or otherwise they're shitty neighbors. Or ask your parents to pay your bills, because otherwise they're being shitty parents.
Jae Trifonov if companies suffer due to something that is such a natural part of life, something’s wrong with those companies. Childbirth came before corporations. They should adjust to accommodate the fact that half of their employees will give birth at one point. And the other half would participate more in child rearing if workplace demands weren’t as unreasonable on them.
Ahh the comments section on youtube... where humanity goes to die. I really regret scrolling down here. It's really quite unfortunate men can't become pregnant. I feel like we'd have a lot more legislation in favor of support for families. I think it's also important to acknowledge that pregnancy isn't always a decision, accidents do happen. If a coworker of mine were pregnant I wouldn't mind helping out, that's what being a human being is about. I'd like to hope that we all work as a team, a team that helps each other out instead of bringing each other down.
Have you ever hired someone to do something? What if they showed up and said that they're not going to work for 9 months but want you to continue to pay them, anyway.
@@DeadFishFactory false equivalence try again
Oh but now just 4 years later the left has decreed that yes in fact men can get pregnant no more mothers just birthing people everywhere 😑
It is such a pain to come back to work after 4 month after delivery and hear that others came back even earlier… A lot of pain! Would be great to give time at least till 6 month old. But the best is 1 year ( at least can start to reduce breastfeeding and have less stress and pain at work). Thank you for the Talk!
I love the idea of giving men a maternity leave. It would solve so many of these problems.
I agree
Yeah, here in Germany we have this option. But not very helpful if the father has his own business(
@The Lord Is My Rock Let women refuse to have children....Human race solved!
Must be nice to afford thousands of dollars of free cash and benefits because you made a personal choice that has nothing to do with your employer.
Must be nice
@@lockandloadlikehell It is her right. If my employee gets pregnant she has the rights that goes with that condiction.
I worked as a CNA for Avamere Transitional Care Of Puget Sound until 37 weeks and my doctor said no more. I went on unpaid maternity leave for three months and was fired during that time even though they said I could return after approval from my doctor. I had to reapply for my job and was denied the sign on bonus that came with the position. I also never received my sick leave and holiday pay cashed out after being fired.
so true. This is happening in Europe too. What's more, is the attitude of society towards pregnant women. They expect us to deliver our babies while at work.
Robert Willis if a man injures himself, according to the LAW he is given office work / is allowed to take a leave which is normally covered, until he is able to come back to work. As a pregnant woman you are not always given these options, you are often harassed, no matter how well you do your job and bullied by morons who hate you for something that's actually perfectly natural and that should be encouraged. It happened to me to get bullied by one of my bosses and fired when in fact my performance did not suffer from the fact I was pregnant and this is something confirmed by my other employers. I couldn't do much in regards to this legally and quite frankly, since the pregnancy is stressful and difficult enough as it is, I didn't see fit to burden myself even more with legal pursuits. Got it now?
Robert Willis and you have no right to tell anyone what they should do about their lives and their bodies. How dare you tell me not to get pregnant? How the fuck should a woman know in advance if pregnancy is going to be difficult or not, you smart ass? Each pregnancy is different! Of course if you find it too difficult to cope with the job you quit! But if you can do the job and simply get fucked up by morons who just love to make your life miserable because they hate pregnant women and women in general, that means it's an unfair situation! Why are you commenting on this without even listening to her talk? Also, a pregnant woman should stop working when she feels she can't do the job anymore. It should be a legal option and the society in which she lives should not make it impossible financially or otherwise for her to leave a job she can't do anymore. It's inhumane to work past 7 months especially when you carry a large baby, at least in my view! It's inhumane to tell someone that pregnancy is a 'fault' as idiots like you say. It's inhumane to let a pregnant woman stand on the bus while you rest your balls on the fucking chair like a pig! It's inhumane to lecture someone about their ability to do their job when I bet you don't flip flop and fuck yourself up for the job when you've got a shitty flu. So piss off!
+CAMPO my mom worked ALL her life and she was a single mom, after my dad left us. I never lacked anything. We were in fact quite rich comparing to families where both parents worked, because my mother had a highly skilled job. My grandmother babysitted me while mom was at work and this was great fun. It's the usual system in the country where I grew up. People look after each other. It's not inhumane at all, it's normal in my culture. I preferred having an educated, active mom to being at home all the time with a bored, depressive and unaccomplished woman. I work because I like to, because it makes me feel alive and useful in society, not a rag and a burden at my husband's door. I hope you understand cultural difference.
Robert Willis the fact that you didn't notice discrimination against pregnant women doesn't mean it's not happening. I was treated like utter shit by one of my employers, for example, so I know very well what I'm talking about!
nainjatt The government is giving me zero, nil, nothing to stay at home! I paid taxes, my husband paid taxes. I expected something back. When a man gets ill and he has to stay home, he gets support. Apparently I don't have the same rights due to some legal hacks in my contact. There are millions who stay home without having EVER paid tax and they get benefits, they actually live off benefits. My initial problem was not about benefits, but about fair treatment in work, which is again, not always the case, despite legislation and so on.
those who commented things like hiring women in their reproductive age will ruin you, or that employers should not take the responsibility of women's choice to get pregnant and have kids, or even that women are entitled because they want to have paid maternity leave, just don't see the bigger picture. We are trying to create a sustainable system that enables society to produce not only competent and skilled citizens but also make sure that these citizens are emotionally and psychologically fit. If moms are not given support to be there and bond with their babies in months or weeks after their birth, which is a very critical time for babies' development, we are also somehow depriving the for the future generation the nurturing they need as well as the chance of developing into holistically better citizens.
@B. KCee DON'T have children.
B. KCee I agree whole heartedly
I wonder though how easy/hard it is to prove firing, not hiring, or demotion due to pregnancy? Like, its not like an employer will admit that its cuz of pregnancy... They will just give some BS excuse.
Don't read the comments. It will only make you weep for humanity.
Neptune Centari Anytime a woman suggests there are issues that affect us on youtube the comments show how awful the human species is.
So happy i live in Europe
I am glad that such an informative, compassionate, delightful, and necessary talk exists. We do need to embrace pregnant women and families, including the need for family leave. Four months is not quite long enough, but it is a start. As coworkers, we can help and support pregnant ladies on the job. As bosses, we can go above and beyond to assist her in some tasks, as well as offering paid time off as long as possible. If possible, offer the same thing for the fathers, as they will be invaluable around the house, and bonding helps the entire family. If people know that pregnancy and family is supported and encouraged in this country, other positive outcomes will occur, too, including family longevity, decreased abortion rates, increased job productivity, and decrease in crime, among other major things. C'mon, America--let's love our families.
True story USA here , I at 28 was trying to purchase supplemental health insurance , but pregnancy is considered a pre existing condition. However if I quit my job I'd automatically qualify for welfare & when I did go on maternity I had to go on short term disability & use my vacation time
These benefits should really come from the government, not employers. There should also be govt after school programs so that mothers (or fathers) didn’t have to leave work early to pick up their kids. And there should be a ton more programs to help families, if this society wants to be healthy.
I'm not saying I don't agree, but those programs will ultimately be funded via taxes. Who's going to go for that?! A lot of people in this country hate and resent those kind of taxes.
I had a job where the woman hiring manager and catholic boss, wouldn't put me up the ladder because I'm pro-life catholic female who just got married. after I worked 4 years for the company. her words were we don't consider you to be long term.... were looking for someone who can stay at the company for 20 years .so I quit moved on and work for a good company now....... we are unable to have children. I deserve to at least be paid fair for my hard work.
What was the name of that company please? I would very much like to apply to work for them, I like their wise sensible policy of not promoting the obvious waste of time, my breeding years are done, I DO want a solid 20 year career with a company, and I am at NO risk to waste months of company time and thousands of dollars of company money on maternity leave.
I remember being fired the day after letting my employer - a small non-profit ngo by the way - that I was pregnant. I had all copies of my very good work reviews. Had I not been in a car accident a few days previously, I would have gone to Court, but did not have the energy. After showing EI the reviews, they even suggested I sue the NGO.
wow we are not number one in this issue USA should provide payed maternity leave I know japan it is expedited for the woman to take off 2 years payed maternity then return to her job with the same rate of pay. America is all about money that is for sure.
Men need to be able to take paternity /family leave too.
Mum's shouldn't feel pressured to go back to work after having children. The women giving the talk (rant) is exactly the kind of women who looks down her nose at stay at home mums. The kind that pressures women into staying away from her children leaving them for someone else to raise.
the men against maternity leave must be giving birth to stay at home moms or a dog .
Thanks for talking about this important topic. You were both eloquent and informative!
I've lost 2 jobs due to pregnancy
There should be pregnancy leave and family leave for fathers as well as mothers because men are parents too.
Thoughts on new dads also getting paid time off work?
We have that, from the government. Mother or father (the first 70 days are reserved only for the mother). Until the baby is around 18 months old. And full salary, unless it is above the maximum limit.
Dad gets additional 10 days paid leave 2 months prior or after the birth, as he desires. Plus, you can work being on the leave ( and get paid max 1500 €, without losing from the parental leave pay. If it gets higher, they gradually reduce the parental leave pay until min of 50%), so you could stay somewhat on track with your work, if you want.
Oh, and mom or dad can stay at home until the baby is 3 years old, without losing her or his job. The last 1,5 years is unpaid.
Oh, and one more thing. If you are a working woman, you can stay home up to 70 days before your due date, with sick leave equalling 100% of your last years earnings.
Kristiina Rebane what country do you live in and how much taxes do you oay
Very well said
Should the pay the women receive while on maternity leave be payed by the employer or the government?
If all women stopped having babies for even 1 full year, the US economy would plummit. We should teach the US a lesson. Sadly, the unemployed women who get checks for having their babies would not allow for this change.
los podrían subtitular en español plisssss para el público latino
If we think from an employer side then they have to pay more to a female employee as compared to male employee and all these are without work. If a company get same employee with same qualifications and same experience then which one the company will choose a male or female.
Sure it's illegal but good luck proving it. There's always a "good reason" to fire someone and you can get away with discrimination by just stating any of the other legal reasons
While i am against discrimination, I would like to have seen the issues actually addressed on a number of points. Pregnant women in the work force often Do impose greater work loads on their coworkers. You said able to perform all "major" functions, but this does not include all functions, yet the coworkers being asked to carry the additional load are not being compensated for the additional work. Employers having to find temporary replacements are bearing an additional cost in finding said temp, training them and so on. These are legitimate issues yet you ignore them. I ask this honestly, how is it equal to be asked to be expected to do less work for the same pay? I'm not saying we don't need the maternity leave, just asking for a bit of truth and less attitude i guess. Your asking for special treatment and acting as if your being slighted. The demands for future generations does require effort, and women bare the brunt of some of this but at least acknowledge that some counter points are valid.
The major question is, why do we as a society only consider what happens in offices as work. Every company needs future employees and they come from good families who spend time and effort into raising them. Why should this be considered a spare time activity that does not deserve to be paid, even though it is the basis of keeping the economy running.
No kids now would mean no economy in 40 years.
Gromlek She clarified that that was a stereotype. And of course, it could ring true for some women. But not all. That's what makes it a stereotype.
She is passionate about this issue, obviously. Why is it that you see “attitude” and not “passion”?
Is there another solution? The one income family just isn't realistic anymore.
@@ctzn291139 because she was sarcastic when she was bringing up the stereo types and was kinda sliding in the idea that it's just sexism and description
Shouldn't one of the major functions of you jobs be showing up on time every day?
i would say basic function... rather than major function. Ability to show up when you say you are isn't a major accomplishment.
Relieved she didn't go on a tangent about abortion.
hello friend
No one has the right to force another to suffer.
Procreation is child abuse.
sorry, my business is not here for women to be paid while pumping out kid after kid...not going to happen. Period. If you want kids, save and retire to raise them, don't put this on employers.
I'm assuming you don't have kids? I got pregnant unexpectedly, and was absolutely devastated because I will not recieve maternity pay and wasn't ready. But I'm not going to abort my child to make life easier, so what do you suggest women do in this tough situation? It's not fair and it's not right.
this woman exudes entitlement. Wants to impose all the costs of her choices on the employer.
Roger Roger She exudes confidence.
I bet every man who becomes a father walks into his bosses office at one point and asks for a raise - because he has to support his family. Don’t you think a woman who asks for a paid maternity leave is doing the same thing - she is asking for an increase in total lifetime compensation to support her family. If that’s entitlement, both genders are entitled.
So misguided and wrong. We can’t have it both ways we must choose sorry that’s the way it is. Wake up feminists
Lol, some people. Women create the future workers of the world, so DUH, f*cling support parents
NOTE TO SELF....."do not employ young woman they will ruin you"........
Btw what's the name of your business? Want to make sure that any babies born will never be your future customers
@@Me-wk9eo babies lol, you forget it's fashionable to abort them now. Get with the times woman.
How about the mom decides to do what's best for her child and be a stay at home mom.
what a weird question... or was it irony? most of women can not afford this...
That's a very weird line of thought.
Ashley Touchin Funny... Thats an ironic joke right?
And feed the children with what?
Or, like I said, YOU can take responsibility for your own choices. I didn't have children until I was 30. At that time we were making enough money for me to take time off. Women make the decision to become mothers, not business owners. ALL companies suffer because of this and I care plenty about my employees when they're doing their jobs properly. We've had maybe 2 employees that were rehired after giving birth. If I had a position open and they were a good employee. Unless I'M the one getting you pregnant, I'll NOT be the one paying for anything to do with your child. This falls on the woman and man who has CHOSEN to have children. Use some common sense here. You may as well ask your neighbors to give you an extra paycheck or otherwise they're shitty neighbors. Or ask your parents to pay your bills, because otherwise they're being shitty parents.
Jae Trifonov if companies suffer due to something that is such a natural part of life, something’s wrong with those companies. Childbirth came before corporations. They should adjust to accommodate the fact that half of their employees will give birth at one point. And the other half would participate more in child rearing if workplace demands weren’t as unreasonable on them.