is it me or have UA-cam ads become broken at this point? Open the video 2 ads, forward to the part you're interested in 2 ads. 3 mins later 2 ads. Jesus Christ cant even enjoy the vid anymore
i am watching the whole thing 12 mins in getting a AD about every 3 mins on AVG so far. Also like to add that I know they need sponsors.. but this one is kind of ... Bad. :/
Shadow priest player here. Since I don’t give a shit about these tier lists I walked in completely unaware about how unwanted we are until I started getting around to the +8 range. Feels good wasting all this fuckin time on a class that gets denied on every key and the keys I run take 30-45 min to form. And don’t tell me to play disc. I hate disc and always have
I feel you. And I play devastation evoker and I have been hating to play Aug. Reached 3000 io and wasn't able to push any bit further because all groups are like "Not Aug? Sorry bro"
@@Aaronxhu i play dev in 12s atm, went up to 27s in DF, ran my own key every. single. time. people won't invite you but they'll join you. and watch people cry when you do more damage and kicks than them, it never gets old
@@liamdavies2823 Yeah but this season dev is literally handicapped in sustain AOE. In 11s 12s I mostly beat those meta specs, but in 13+ I keep getting gapped because the tank needs to pull more in a single pull, and the packs live longer too. The gap gets larger for higher keys. In a 15 Ara I was gapped by 400k by the top dps. AND more than a month later I'm still the highest damage dev in 15 Aras... So I just stopped pushing. This spec doesn't deserve high keys past 14s. It'll need to be carried hard
@ oh yeah this is absolutely true, but it doesn’t affect a large portion of the playerbase anyway so I’m willing to accept that this season I can’t push as high as usual. Despite it being quite annoying. Every spec has time at the bottom, we were really strong through all of DF except the first 6 weeks of S3. Dev will also have periods where it’s very strong, you just have to wait for them. It’s still playable up to 15/16 and in mythic raid so I would rather they fixed the actual issues with the spec/class trees and flameshaper before they do basic tuning like aura buffs/nerfs. They could simply reduce volatility to 1 point and combine essence burst into 1 talent so we can take Volatility and sustained aoe would be much better already. I could write essays about all the changes I think dev needs but blizzard wouldn’t do anything with it anyway
@@MarcelianOnline I think the tuning that people feel is exasperated by the fact that M+ is fundamentally unfun for a lot of people unless you have a solid group that you run with. Meta lists hurt the general population sadly because people put a lot of stock in them when they're really only fundamentally helpful when pushing cutting edge keys. There has been a lot of videos by prominent people lately talking about this subject.
@ I would personally take the averages of all keys timed and use that range to rank the popularity of each spec. But popularity alone doesn’t really tell you how good something is. Frost DK is a good example of this, more popular than Unholy but Unholy is the better spec on overall without an Aug. Which leads to a good point. Most of the best specs in the highest keys are effective because their damage and cooldown profiles work well with an Aug Evoker. Something 95% of players in PUGs do not and should not have access to anyway. My point is that that nobody watching these tier list videos are running keys in those ranges. So when you make the claim that “X is good or bad based on +19 data” players are going to make misinformed choices for their +8s.
@@MarcelianOnlineI mean this is kinda accurate. It may only be skewed if a spec is not clearing high keys only because of lack of popularity like mist weaver at one time. Beast heals just no one played it really. Other than that if DH was good it’ll be played in higher keys. Most of Shadowlands and half of Dragon Flight DH were great
@@SymbianBlack Havoc is very good. Its lack of representation in +19s has very little to do with viability. The meta forms and reforms, the comps that are 5% above average will be copied and played at the highest of the high where every % counts. Also, the best comps in a +8 or +10 do not necessarily look the same as a +14 or +16. When packs take a very long time to kill, certain specs like Unholy, Affl or Shadow Priest start to shine.
there's one structural problem with taking conclussions out of the the number and quantity of Keys and it's that if Destro, just to say one example, is super good. that means that there are gonna be many more logs of destro than affl or demon, just because main locks (or even casters) would prefer to go for the better option.
i will tell you what the issues with devastation are: 1- it isn't tanky enough. the defensives are amazing, especially with the hero talents, but outside of the defensives you need a big healer external in high keys or you're screwed. plus aug has a cheat death, dev does not. 2- people think it's an easy spec, and sure it is quite easy, but if you want to maximise damage you need to be very wary of how you use deep breath, empowered spells, bombardments. also need to make lots of really quick decisions about which spell to use next, there's a priority but it quickly becomes irrelevant in unpredictable pugs. 3- same role as aug and same class as pres evoker is the least played class, 3.6% of people play evoker. the second least played is monk at 6.2% then rogue at 6.3%. that is a huge gap at the bottom, nobody wants to play it so they don't do any work on it. which means nobody plays it and the issue just gets worse until nobody plays it for years and suddenly it gets a ret style rework and everyone plays it. if they wanted dev to be meta, they would do a big spec tree rework (it is AWFUL), add passive defensives and make it as strong as enhance is now or havoc was in early DF S3. right now dev is fine, damage is great and if you are over 630 ilvl with bis gear then 12s are pretty trivial with a good group. if you don't have good gear and lots of hours played as dev, your damage is awful. and because people say it's easy, bad players gravitate towards it. only blizz can fix this, i wouldn't count on a rework until midnight though
I think Aug just needs to be completely scrapped and Evoker getting either a second dps spec or a tank spec (would prefer tank spec for diversity and it works well with the Black Dragonflight thematics and lore) OR Blizzard needs to create/ rework other specs into dedicated supports and make support a dedicated 4th role in the game. Having only one support spec that needs to go into a DPS slot fundamentally unbalances the game. The support spec will either be completely useless because it doesn't provide enough value to justify replacing a 3rd DPS or it will completely warp the meta around it because it's more valuable than a 3rd DPS. There's not really a middle ground.
@ i think aug can stay if a few things happen. 1- dev is given the cheat death too. 2- they buff ebon might slightly, but change it so it ONLY targets dps 3- they take all the lessons they learned and add a new support spec as soon as the story can allow for it I like the idea of support specs, but I don’t like how it casts a shadow over the only class I’ve ever ‘fallen in love’ with in literally 20 years. Maybe they need their own role too, I’m down with that but for heroic dungeon/lfr queue that might bring challenges, so maybe they can queue as a dps for that, I don’t know. It’s kind of sat how many people are sat in UA-cam comments theorising what would be the best way to fix the games many issues at the moment. Why aren’t blizzard doing this, why is there ZERO CLASS TUNING for 11.0.7?? It’s weird
@@liamdavies2823 Tbh their current schedule does not warrant waiting for a larger patch like they used to unless they're rolling out a rework. They now do balancing week to week which is much better and more responsive to keeping the power balance more in line than previous FOTM based expansions. The problem with Devastation is a philosophical one by the dev team, and because indeed they have to spend all their concentration on the other two specs because they get out of balance real fast. Having one spec that isnt a threat to the balance is probably a relief for them.
@@bierdeckelHeinz yeah it’s pretty obvious they won’t touch it until a big patch, which patch is something I can’t tell you. Dev was almost out of control when it didn’t have a cap on dragonrage extensions, this also made it really hard to tune without making it either really strong or really bad. It was pretty strong through all of DF, except for the first 6 weeks of S3. Pyre is still uncapped aoe, doesn’t reduce after X targets and has a lot of things that can amplify its damage, pyre is either really strong or lacklustre and right now it’s lacklustre. Disintegrate is strong, if i’m fighting 2-4 targets in m+ I am always top dps because mass disintegrate and its synergies are so strong. It has 90% of aug’s utility, pres has the most if you take ebon might away tbh. Its current damage is fine, nothing special, its not too hard to play. Its insane in pvp though, always has been. But you are an immediate target for most people so that’s annoying. Imo it’s the same for every spec, if you spend enough time getting really good at it you become less dependent on tuning and can perform great in 95% of content without issue. Sure dev might literally not be capable of timing a +18 or +20 this season, does that matter? Not really, it can do 15s and that being the case is fine for almost everyone because most won’t even get to +15. It will be meta one day, every spec gets their time, when is another question. It’s a great spec but the talent tree needs some work and they actually did do some for tww, and it was good but not really enough 😊 also as of right now there is literally 0 tuning announced for 11.0.7, so they must be happy with every single specs current situation unless they announce some before it launches
So Ret is reliable right? Often good dps, I'm top dps in LFR and dungeons unless someone drastically outgears me (not hard, im 610) and I am forever dispelling and lay of hands and Word of Glorying, Handsying party members and preventing wipes... but I can't get an inv to a +5 at 610 ilvl? 😅
I'm out. I had this running while I was in a dungeon, and after the first boss, I was stuck on a weight loss commercial for 10 minutes that I could've get out of because I was tanking.
Which one allows me not to have to apply to 50+ groups before an invite? I thought it was just my score. Improving it surely will get me an invite right? Hit 2k score, nope. Ok, lets go higher. Hit 2.5k... nope.. hit 2.7k... nope. Would love to just log on and play... instead of having to spend at least 30m looking for a group.
Hi so have a question , wich one does more dmg pure dmg not utility elemental shaman or balance druid. I think its the elemental shaman but Im not sure.
@MarcelianOnline you only love it the most because it has the numbers currently. If MM had the numbers you would love it the most. Lol. Take a time machine to BFA S3 and tell me who you love.
This tier list only applies for high keys, if you are playing 12 and below and pugging just play ret pally if you wanna top the charts but everything is viable below that. These tier lists videos is what makes people just want to invite the "S tier" classes on pugs even though it doesnt even matter that much especially on low level keys
@@stankweezul5715 True, I was mainining warrior the whole DF and was thinking about switching to Ret in TWW, but I sticked with warrior in S1 hoping it would be good and it was a mistake. I´ll definitelly go Ret in S2+.
Feels like 0 shits are given to balance m+ dps, they wrecked the system with crest bloat and the key squish, feels miserable now to play m+, thanks bliz
I've came back to WoW in dragonflight, and ever since season one I've been coming back to tier list videos to check how horrible Affliction is doing. I don't even play that spec.... But man is it funny. Can't they get at least one season where they aren't at the bottom tier?
I’m sad that elemental is meta now. I’m seeing shamans everywhere. I’m maining elemental. It was fine when enhancement was meta. I like elemental and like being good but not meta. lol. Everyone flocks to the metas and I hate that. Don’t want to be bottom but hate being meta. Lol
@@philmehrart I love fury warrior. I feel elemental is the caster version of fury.. massive aoe. Fast hit you in your face damage. I just like the utility of shaman. And hate not being able to heal myself. Bulwark totem really made elemental not feel as squishy. Fury still Feels squishy….. to me. But maybe I’m just not good.
Saddly ppl are trusting things like tier lists and MDI that are clearly focusing only on the top 5-10 players IN THE WORLD that spend 16 hours every day playing and they think they can be like them or even worse inviting only specs like that for low keys like 12s-13s. These things together with the design of M+ and the class balancing going worse with every season are driving away 80% of the M+ community.
i swear to god, people play to much World Of MinMax instead of World of Warcraft. Just sad that u literally get denied on every 8+ as soon as any Tierlist places ur Spec into anything Below A Tier lol
That is the nature of the game where you have a chance to waste your time by not winning. All other things being the same, if you can pick between a spec that does x more damage while having better utility, you'll pick that one.
A big problem with m+ is telling people who don’t know any better that “every spec is viable, play what you like”. That’s obviously false and ignores the huge power gap between classes that blizzard intentionally designs. People playing what they like and getting frustrated and not knowing the actual reason why because content creators are fake shills is super toxic of you. Way to run dmg control for crappy blizz content.
Don't you think it's pretty useless to do tier lists for m+ at this point in the expansion? M+ is in such a dire state that barely anyone is still playing it. You just look at the 5 specs that are being played at the front page of raider io, you either play one of those specs or you're pretty much never going to get invited. The difference between any spec that is not the top spec is completely irrelevant at this point.
Tbh it's not only the specs, it's the io itself. People just want to get carried by others with 3k score. I'm a frost DK main, 2.7K io and somehow struggle to get into +10 and +11. It doesn't make sense to me that a WW monk who plays godly can't climb because it's not "meta" and his io is not above 3k, such a shitty system tbh
Can you please stop with this click bait bs? Videos and hungry content creators like you are the reason the whole game goes to hell and M+ is unplayable. You just take someone elses data and information you gathered, stick your face to it and thats it. Maybe try to do something useful for the community and the game itself.
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i am watching the whole thing 12 mins in getting a AD about every 3 mins on AVG so far. Also like to add that I know they need sponsors.. but this one is kind of ... Bad. :/
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Shadow priest player here. Since I don’t give a shit about these tier lists I walked in completely unaware about how unwanted we are until I started getting around to the +8 range. Feels good wasting all this fuckin time on a class that gets denied on every key and the keys I run take 30-45 min to form.
And don’t tell me to play disc. I hate disc and always have
I feel you. And I play devastation evoker and I have been hating to play Aug. Reached 3000 io and wasn't able to push any bit further because all groups are like "Not Aug? Sorry bro"
Stop being lazy and join a guild with good people. then no one cares about your class as long as you pull your weight. :)
@@Aaronxhu i play dev in 12s atm, went up to 27s in DF, ran my own key every. single. time. people won't invite you but they'll join you. and watch people cry when you do more damage and kicks than them, it never gets old
@@liamdavies2823 Yeah but this season dev is literally handicapped in sustain AOE. In 11s 12s I mostly beat those meta specs, but in 13+ I keep getting gapped because the tank needs to pull more in a single pull, and the packs live longer too. The gap gets larger for higher keys. In a 15 Ara I was gapped by 400k by the top dps. AND more than a month later I'm still the highest damage dev in 15 Aras... So I just stopped pushing. This spec doesn't deserve high keys past 14s. It'll need to be carried hard
@ oh yeah this is absolutely true, but it doesn’t affect a large portion of the playerbase anyway so I’m willing to accept that this season I can’t push as high as usual. Despite it being quite annoying. Every spec has time at the bottom, we were really strong through all of DF except the first 6 weeks of S3. Dev will also have periods where it’s very strong, you just have to wait for them. It’s still playable up to 15/16 and in mythic raid so I would rather they fixed the actual issues with the spec/class trees and flameshaper before they do basic tuning like aura buffs/nerfs. They could simply reduce volatility to 1 point and combine essence burst into 1 talent so we can take Volatility and sustained aoe would be much better already. I could write essays about all the changes I think dev needs but blizzard wouldn’t do anything with it anyway
Feels like blizzard doesnt take the game seriously when they dont give us class tuning.. i know many guildies quit because of it and soon me too.
not as bad as people think
It's honestly all in your head. Reading tier lists over and over will do that to you
It’s pretty damn bad, dev Evoker probably 25% behind the top classes, feels bad.
@@MarcelianOnline I think the tuning that people feel is exasperated by the fact that M+ is fundamentally unfun for a lot of people unless you have a solid group that you run with. Meta lists hurt the general population sadly because people put a lot of stock in them when they're really only fundamentally helpful when pushing cutting edge keys. There has been a lot of videos by prominent people lately talking about this subject.
Break the meta
Ranking DPS specs based on how many specs are doing +19s is wild. We’re getting into some fringe territory here.
What would you like them to be ranked by in M+? And at how many S tier specs will you stop and realize the specs are relatively balanced?
@ I would personally take the averages of all keys timed and use that range to rank the popularity of each spec. But popularity alone doesn’t really tell you how good something is. Frost DK is a good example of this, more popular than Unholy but Unholy is the better spec on overall without an Aug.
Which leads to a good point. Most of the best specs in the highest keys are effective because their damage and cooldown profiles work well with an Aug Evoker. Something 95% of players in PUGs do not and should not have access to anyway.
My point is that that nobody watching these tier list videos are running keys in those ranges. So when you make the claim that “X is good or bad based on +19 data” players are going to make misinformed choices for their +8s.
@@MarcelianOnlineI mean this is kinda accurate. It may only be skewed if a spec is not clearing high keys only because of lack of popularity like mist weaver at one time. Beast heals just no one played it really. Other than that if DH was good it’ll be played in higher keys. Most of Shadowlands and half of Dragon Flight DH were great
i mean I think of this as an advertisement of all specs since they can all clear the content that 99% of people do.
@@SymbianBlack
Havoc is very good. Its lack of representation in +19s has very little to do with viability.
The meta forms and reforms, the comps that are 5% above average will be copied and played at the highest of the high where every % counts.
Also, the best comps in a +8 or +10 do not necessarily look the same as a +14 or +16. When packs take a very long time to kill, certain specs like Unholy, Affl or Shadow Priest start to shine.
there's one structural problem with taking conclussions out of the the number and quantity of Keys and it's that if Destro, just to say one example, is super good. that means that there are gonna be many more logs of destro than affl or demon, just because main locks (or even casters) would prefer to go for the better option.
Ranking by M+ scoring seems flawed, since your score/clear relies on your party and other classes. Or am I missing something?
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@@egoistKON The irony of your comment. Dumb AF.
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dev evoker can be even in Z tier.. its very nice to play
i will tell you what the issues with devastation are:
1- it isn't tanky enough. the defensives are amazing, especially with the hero talents, but outside of the defensives you need a big healer external in high keys or you're screwed. plus aug has a cheat death, dev does not.
2- people think it's an easy spec, and sure it is quite easy, but if you want to maximise damage you need to be very wary of how you use deep breath, empowered spells, bombardments. also need to make lots of really quick decisions about which spell to use next, there's a priority but it quickly becomes irrelevant in unpredictable pugs.
3- same role as aug and same class as pres
evoker is the least played class, 3.6% of people play evoker. the second least played is monk at 6.2% then rogue at 6.3%. that is a huge gap at the bottom, nobody wants to play it so they don't do any work on it. which means nobody plays it and the issue just gets worse until nobody plays it for years and suddenly it gets a ret style rework and everyone plays it.
if they wanted dev to be meta, they would do a big spec tree rework (it is AWFUL), add passive defensives and make it as strong as enhance is now or havoc was in early DF S3. right now dev is fine, damage is great and if you are over 630 ilvl with bis gear then 12s are pretty trivial with a good group. if you don't have good gear and lots of hours played as dev, your damage is awful. and because people say it's easy, bad players gravitate towards it. only blizz can fix this, i wouldn't count on a rework until midnight though
I think Aug just needs to be completely scrapped and Evoker getting either a second dps spec or a tank spec (would prefer tank spec for diversity and it works well with the Black Dragonflight thematics and lore) OR Blizzard needs to create/ rework other specs into dedicated supports and make support a dedicated 4th role in the game. Having only one support spec that needs to go into a DPS slot fundamentally unbalances the game. The support spec will either be completely useless because it doesn't provide enough value to justify replacing a 3rd DPS or it will completely warp the meta around it because it's more valuable than a 3rd DPS. There's not really a middle ground.
@ i think aug can stay if a few things happen.
1- dev is given the cheat death too.
2- they buff ebon might slightly, but change it so it ONLY targets dps
3- they take all the lessons they learned and add a new support spec as soon as the story can allow for it
I like the idea of support specs, but I don’t like how it casts a shadow over the only class I’ve ever ‘fallen in love’ with in literally 20 years. Maybe they need their own role too, I’m down with that but for heroic dungeon/lfr queue that might bring challenges, so maybe they can queue as a dps for that, I don’t know.
It’s kind of sat how many people are sat in UA-cam comments theorising what would be the best way to fix the games many issues at the moment. Why aren’t blizzard doing this, why is there ZERO CLASS TUNING for 11.0.7?? It’s weird
@@liamdavies2823 Tbh their current schedule does not warrant waiting for a larger patch like they used to unless they're rolling out a rework. They now do balancing week to week which is much better and more responsive to keeping the power balance more in line than previous FOTM based expansions.
The problem with Devastation is a philosophical one by the dev team, and because indeed they have to spend all their concentration on the other two specs because they get out of balance real fast. Having one spec that isnt a threat to the balance is probably a relief for them.
@@bierdeckelHeinz yeah it’s pretty obvious they won’t touch it until a big patch, which patch is something I can’t tell you. Dev was almost out of control when it didn’t have a cap on dragonrage extensions, this also made it really hard to tune without making it either really strong or really bad. It was pretty strong through all of DF, except for the first 6 weeks of S3. Pyre is still uncapped aoe, doesn’t reduce after X targets and has a lot of things that can amplify its damage, pyre is either really strong or lacklustre and right now it’s lacklustre. Disintegrate is strong, if i’m fighting 2-4 targets in m+ I am always top dps because mass disintegrate and its synergies are so strong. It has 90% of aug’s utility, pres has the most if you take ebon might away tbh. Its current damage is fine, nothing special, its not too hard to play.
Its insane in pvp though, always has been. But you are an immediate target for most people so that’s annoying.
Imo it’s the same for every spec, if you spend enough time getting really good at it you become less dependent on tuning and can perform great in 95% of content without issue. Sure dev might literally not be capable of timing a +18 or +20 this season, does that matter? Not really, it can do 15s and that being the case is fine for almost everyone because most won’t even get to +15. It will be meta one day, every spec gets their time, when is another question. It’s a great spec but the talent tree needs some work and they actually did do some for tww, and it was good but not really enough 😊
also as of right now there is literally 0 tuning announced for 11.0.7, so they must be happy with every single specs current situation unless they announce some before it launches
So Ret is reliable right? Often good dps, I'm top dps in LFR and dungeons unless someone drastically outgears me (not hard, im 610) and I am forever dispelling and lay of hands and Word of Glorying, Handsying party members and preventing wipes... but I can't get an inv to a +5 at 610 ilvl? 😅
damn yeah i need that tier list video right now
Idk why hunters got a 30% nerf dmg to kill command its the reason why bm isnt doing very high dmg when u dont get any procs of death blow
I'm out. I had this running while I was in a dungeon, and after the first boss, I was stuck on a weight loss commercial for 10 minutes that I could've get out of because I was tanking.
Im happy to see shamans topping charts 💚
Being in the C tier, cultivated, fits affliction perfectly. Well played sir 🧐
Haha, well, enjoy your stay :P
Which one allows me not to have to apply to 50+ groups before an invite? I thought it was just my score. Improving it surely will get me an invite right? Hit 2k score, nope. Ok, lets go higher. Hit 2.5k... nope.. hit 2.7k... nope. Would love to just log on and play... instead of having to spend at least 30m looking for a group.
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Hi so have a question , wich one does more dmg pure dmg not utility elemental shaman or balance druid. I think its the elemental shaman but Im not sure.
Ele is a bit rng spec, overall it is stronger than moonkin but it relys heavy on ascendance procs, without it u are doing tank dmg
Given the way they handled it since TWW launched, they are likely to keep the ranged hunter specs as shitty as they are now.
One day your going to give Hunter some love. SV doesnt count.
SV is the one we love the most tho :))))
@MarcelianOnline you only love it the most because it has the numbers currently. If MM had the numbers you would love it the most. Lol. Take a time machine to BFA S3 and tell me who you love.
If all three specs were equal on power MM would be played the least by far. Its kinda boring.
This tier list only applies for high keys, if you are playing 12 and below and pugging just play ret pally if you wanna top the charts but everything is viable below that. These tier lists videos is what makes people just want to invite the "S tier" classes on pugs even though it doesnt even matter that much especially on low level keys
As a 610 ret, I can't get an inv for +5s. Probably because someone saw the last 30 seconds of the video where ret isn't present much in >+14 😂
Is it really the case that Ret is the most popular class? Last time I looked, Enhancment (14.0%) and Aug (13.8%) were significantly more popular
key take away, play ret pally unless you planning to higher than a +12 XD
I love Devastation but its such a wet noodle. Im mainly AUG now in groups.
I’m convinced Ret is much better than Fury
It could be, statistically, Fury edges above Ret atm!
As both a Ret and Fury player, with Ret, I don't feel useless outside of our burst window.
@@stankweezul5715 True, I was mainining warrior the whole DF and was thinking about switching to Ret in TWW, but I sticked with warrior in S1 hoping it would be good and it was a mistake. I´ll definitelly go Ret in S2+.
Survival still has bugs like flanking strike cannot strike 2+ targets with the talent
I love playing my Brew but every now and again i miss playing WW so its sad theyre both down on the lists this exp
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Feels like 0 shits are given to balance m+ dps, they wrecked the system with crest bloat and the key squish, feels miserable now to play m+, thanks bliz
BOOMYS ARE BACK BABYYY!! Lfg
One thing are sure in every damn tier list. Monk are sitting at the bottom...
Keep hearing MDI. Sorry not used to these terms. What is MDI?
Seeing you never clipping missiles as arcane mage pains me to my core
i still play arcane causei love it!
Make m+ 6 player. The 6th spot is DPS or support. Give shaman, mage, paladin, druid and tinker a support spec.
I've came back to WoW in dragonflight, and ever since season one I've been coming back to tier list videos to check how horrible Affliction is doing.
I don't even play that spec.... But man is it funny. Can't they get at least one season where they aren't at the bottom tier?
Why would they play aff when destro is one click away and way better and easier. Be insane to play affliction. Just go destro or roll a mage.
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I’m sad that elemental is meta now. I’m seeing shamans everywhere. I’m maining elemental. It was fine when enhancement was meta. I like elemental and like being good but not meta. lol. Everyone flocks to the metas and I hate that. Don’t want to be bottom but hate being meta. Lol
I play Fury War and never have to worry about that happening 😂😂
@@philmehrart I love fury warrior. I feel elemental is the caster version of fury.. massive aoe. Fast hit you in your face damage. I just like the utility of shaman. And hate not being able to heal myself. Bulwark totem really made elemental not feel as squishy. Fury still
Feels squishy….. to me. But maybe I’m just not good.
Nobody pushing 17s is watching this video so just play what you want
Thank you :)
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i love when meta players are crying about m+ being hard to progresss while im playing solo affliction warlock with 3k rio xD
Blizzard hates ferals 😢
Saddly ppl are trusting things like tier lists and MDI that are clearly focusing only on the top 5-10 players IN THE WORLD that spend 16 hours every day playing and they think they can be like them or even worse inviting only specs like that for low keys like 12s-13s. These things together with the design of M+ and the class balancing going worse with every season are driving away 80% of the M+ community.
Feral has been going pretty hard tbh. Not enough people fucking with druids.
Love my feral! Needs a little of survivability and a touch more speed to the energy regen, but love it nonetheless
@Frosty616. Tigers fury is off cd enough that I barely run into energy problems. Bear form shift with enraged regen gives plenty of survival as well.
For the rest of everyone who doesn't speak gibberish:
"Feral druids are doing pretty good. Not enough feral druid players out there!"
@@americanmambi I doubt there are many people watching WoW videos who couldn't understand that, but good community service
Moon guard would disagree
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i swear to god, people play to much World Of MinMax instead of World of Warcraft. Just sad that u literally get denied on every 8+ as soon as any Tierlist places ur Spec into anything Below A Tier lol
People are just dumb
I blame the balance 😢
That is the nature of the game where you have a chance to waste your time by not winning. All other things being the same, if you can pick between a spec that does x more damage while having better utility, you'll pick that one.
another tier list!
San'lyn does more DPS
First ….oh also I deff think tinker should be a class I need it in my life.
YES TINKER!
A big problem with m+ is telling people who don’t know any better that “every spec is viable, play what you like”. That’s obviously false and ignores the huge power gap between classes that blizzard intentionally designs.
People playing what they like and getting frustrated and not knowing the actual reason why because content creators are fake shills is super toxic of you. Way to run dmg control for crappy blizz content.
bm on c 😅 why
Man , shaman and mages obliterate everything,all raids i do or m+ or dungeons top is mage and shaman elemental
There is a "new meta" video every goddam week. What has this game become, nurturing fomo and incentivizing having an alt army smh.
Dude we are not mdi players making a tier list by looking pro players doesnt help common people in pug groups
Don't you think it's pretty useless to do tier lists for m+ at this point in the expansion? M+ is in such a dire state that barely anyone is still playing it. You just look at the 5 specs that are being played at the front page of raider io, you either play one of those specs or you're pretty much never going to get invited. The difference between any spec that is not the top spec is completely irrelevant at this point.
Tbh it's not only the specs, it's the io itself. People just want to get carried by others with 3k score. I'm a frost DK main, 2.7K io and somehow struggle to get into +10 and +11. It doesn't make sense to me that a WW monk who plays godly can't climb because it's not "meta" and his io is not above 3k, such a shitty system tbh
Can you please stop with this click bait bs? Videos and hungry content creators like you are the reason the whole game goes to hell and M+ is unplayable. You just take someone elses data and information you gathered, stick your face to it and thats it. Maybe try to do something useful for the community and the game itself.
agree