You need to call out FUD even from “experts” in the field of battery materials science. You should have called out the anti-EV arguments that are not founded in reality. The transition to EV’s among many other things is necessary for decarbonization of transportation, not an over exuberance!!!
You’re right and I appreciate you pointing that out, but I also liked the way Robert handled it. He didn’t agree, acknowledged that cars are inherently resource intensive and got him back on topic. Solid interview!
Someone is misinformed about the long tailpipe which has been debunked. EVs may take a year or two to catch up to ICE equivalents but over their lifespan are far greener in terms of GHGs. In terms of pollution, tailpipe emissions directly impact humans.
I am an EE, Nicolas is wrong on how charging EV's with energy coming from electricity generated with fossil fuel defeats the purpose of EV being cleaner. An ice engine efficiency is about 30% when new, and a coal electricity plan has a 65% efficiency, so if you stop using ICE cars and have 100% EV's while having electricity 100% coal based generated is quite an improvement for the environment. If our electricity matrix has some renewables is even better. I wonder what Nicolas background is.
I caught that too. Surprised Robert didn't push back on that one since I learned what you said on his program as reoirted by other guests of Roberts But I suppose his style an interviewer is very non-confrontational.
@@Tom-dt4ic with all due respect to Robert I don’t think he recalls everything he has been told in other interviews in the moment. His coworkers tease him about his memory all the time.
Possibly. But this guy trashing the very rational behind EV cars right in front of Robert who is one of their biggest advocates, and doing it counterfactually, seemed like kind of a big motzo ball to ignore. My guess is that Robert is very nice, and very non-confrontational, and also, I suspect, wickedly smart.
What a wonderfully honest person. Great to have someone who doesn't just good over the pitfalls. Interesting that he said most people don't want to operate in the UK. Shame the nationalists don't understand the reality of our place in the world economy.
If only there was an industrial process for extracting all the carbon from atmospheric carbon dioxide at a reasonable scale and rate. Because, you know, we could suck it all up and just makes loads of graphite / graphene batteries out of it. Killing two birds with one stone. But, unfortunately, while this is theoretically possible and can be done on the tiny scale, we have no means to do it at the sort of industrial scales necessary to make it actually practical and economic. But, you know, rather than "carbon capture and storage" - where it inevitably just leaks out again - we can follow the example of the trees and plants: "carbon capture and make useful carbon-based things out of it". Trees make wood. We could make graphite / graphene batteries (and other graphite / graphene things, as it really is a very useful material for all sorts of stuff). Then again, knowing how humanity and capitalism works, we'd probably end up extracting too much carbon, causing "global freezing" instead, in the quest to endlessly profiteer. We really haven't learnt when to just stop and work with what we've already got. "Mend and make do", as they said during the war.
When I was preparing to graduate from engineering school, one of the companies I interviewed with was Union Carbide in Columbia Tennessee. Their product was graphite rods, maybe 30" x 120" which were milled with threaded ends that were used by the steel industry in your neck of the woods. Many times I would see a semitrailer heading north along I-71 with a load of graphite rods, and immediately knew they were coming from that plant in Columbia Tennessee, which I had visited so many years ago.
I think that what nobody mentions when talking about legacy car companies is the fact that they must maintain profitability while still investing in a totally new business segment. The stock market expects profits from the while for the likes of Tesla (profitable after 7 years), Rivian (still not profitable) and most Chinese startups (don't know when BYD became profitable). It is a very task and management will be fired after some time of losses (remember Herbert Diess?).
@@Maxkraft19 Aware they made batteries as I was considering theirs when buying as part of my solar installation. Plus they really are far more vertical than all - they even make the electronics in the car plus mobile phones.
Good interesting subject another start up company pushing the advances into battery materials. Like all good companies that want to stay in business it is the economics that drives it, just going green is not enough on its own to pay the bills and that came through very clearly from Nicolas.
So this graphite comes from the production of oil as a byproduct? So wont that mean as petro chemical companies stop making petrol diesel etc the price for graphite will go through the roof as it will no longer be the byproduct that is subsidised by the fuels coming before it.
At the risk of being accused of being pedantic, graphite is actually a form of pure carbon, so it's actually an element not a mineral. Minerals are chemical compounds from which elements are extracted, such as iron ore/oxide from which the element iron is extracted. This also means that, strictly speaking, the material that natural graphite is extracted from is not a mineral, because the graphite is not chemically combined, it's just mixed, with the rest of the stuff.
I think car manufacturers who jumped in the market vs petrol manufacturers who been in the business will lead because their logistics starts from the ground up around EV vs a manufacturer who’s trying to convert to EV.
Interesting to hear his opinion about recycling graphite. As always we need to reassess all this talk about "up to 98%" of a battery can be recycled. We'll need battery production to actually be circular, so would the requirement to use recycled graphite be yet another factor that keep battery costs high?
A very interesting chat. But this is obviously not the proper person to get clear and definite information from about the possibility of recycling graphite from black mass. I suggest talking to the folks at Redwood Materials about that.
Unfortunately, recycling barely seems to have entered into Nicolas's thought processes. Markets are necessary, of course, but it's a shame they are always first and foremost in entrepreneurs' thoughts, with any externalities the responsibility of someone else who needs to "figure out a market". We need more entrepreneurs who are big-picture thinkers, not just money makers.
That, or governments taxing minerals coming from mining more than minerals coming from recycled batteries. All of a sudden, he’ll find a real financial incentive to go for recycled materials 😂
Always frustrating to hear poor interview guest audio - thin, sibilant, digital artifacts 😕 Do you know about double-ender technique, tools? (assuming decent mic, acoustics at both ends)
If the UK gets 100% of its electricity from offshore wind, or even 100% from renewables, what's going to happen to the electricity generated by nuclear power?, because you can't just switch it off.
Maybe your guest could answer my question that Tesla customer service refuses to. My conundrum... I recently picked up my 2023 model Y and I'm getting mixed messages about charging, depending on whom I'm talking to and which Tesla video I'm watching. "Tesla CEO Elon Musk also once tweeted that the battery pack in the Model 3 and Model Y was designed to last 1,500 charging cycles", yet a Tesla instruction video encourages us to plug in when the car is not in use, regardless of the available miles remaining. Obviously, by following Tesla's charging protocol, it will increase the number of charging cycles resulting in decreasing the life of the battery. Where am I wrong? Will someone please give me an answer to this oxymoronic issue? Example... I unplug it @80% and drive 10 miles back and forth from the store. Then plug it back in when I get home. It charges AGAIN to bring it back to 80%. I just completed ANOTHER CHARGING CYCLE for only 10 miles! This sounds utterly ridiculous to me. Again, how am I wrong about this???
If Tesla has thousands of their cars' owners all following that advice they are well placed to then implement a Virtual Power Station protocol by drawing down on that not insubstantial combined storage by way of bidirectional charging. So, is it a case of Tesla educating their customers in readiness for such a system to be implemented, or is such a system already possible and part of the reason for Tesla's very low pricing of their EVSE units?
@@TheWhyGuyChannel Yes I was replying to you with this in mind: ua-cam.com/video/snqBKk4Rpjw/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared Also a 10% top-up doesn't constitute a "charge cycle" and in addition trials underway in the US by Fermata Energy have found that low demand discharge/low recharging in a V2G context can actually be beneficial to battery SoH.
I guess what you wrote kind-of makes sense considering the charge we get due to regen braking. Are you saying that topping off a battery each day does NOT affect the life of the battery?
@@TheWhyGuyChannel Explained well here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_cycle The caution though is that allowing a battery to get into the top and bottom 10% of its capacity should be avoided when you have the choice, particularly with NMC chemistry. General rule of thumb is to work within the 20-80% range to protect battery life.
How can this guy not be aware that an electric car, charged from coal on the grid, is significantly less disruptive to the environment than a typical ICE car. And then not be aware of the actual figures for how many miles an EV needs to go before it's CO2 footprint is smaller than an ICE car? I can understand Robert not wanting to call the people he interviews out with their ignorance because that would just create an argument.
I often see a Lamborghini Urus V8 around the Stratford-on-Avon, Bristol area with the private registrationplate 2 OW.Can a member of the fully charred show either confirm or deny it maybe a member of your back slapping team ? It's not a difficult question.You just either reply yes or no.So what's the reply ?
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If CO2 is a worldwide problem. And nuclear industries are the answer. Then military costs must be added to the nuclear industries solution. If EVs are a worldwide solution then raw materials must include military costs if they are sent to be processed in other countries. Also nuclear electricity as a CO2 replacement solution must include the incredible costs of expanding the national electrical grid capacity. If electricity is cheap to transmit then just run transmission lines down to Spain or North Africa. Ezi pezi. Trust me electricity transmission is incredibly expensive. Rooftop solar PV has no military defence costs and no transmission costs and no greenfield infrastructure costs. Fossil fuels in an emergency is a huge improvement in today's world.
[s] But but the we only need s batteries to just have solar and wind[/s] Storage isn't easy. Why I find it more important to hammer on nuclear and geothermal energy production.
we have catlytic convertors on our cars to remove emmissions, why dont we invest more into this tech and just clean this super efficient high enegy fuel as it burns?
@@PazLeBon F1 engine technology is infeasible for road cars - they are extremely expensive, very high-strung and don't last very long. They're even removing the MGU-H in the next round of regulation changes due to how complicated it is and how little practicality it has. You also can't use catalytic converters to remove CO2, which is one of the main problems with vehicle emissions.
@@drunkenhobo8020 yeah i realise that , just acknowledging that technology still makes combustion engines more efficientover time. C02 is another level of problem :)
you start to sound like Barbara Lerner Spectre when you talk about the energy transformation... I do wish the whole thing was less fear and forced, and more fact based.
I don’t drive an electric car = one they are expensive to purchase but maybe it’s just me and two expensive to charge them , others who do drive them and like them and can afford to purchase them and charge them = good for them , maybe in twenty or thirty years when the majority of people can afford them they may like them also. Oh by the way the silicon battery is the future not what the gentleman is saying but obviously he has to promote his stall in the market place, don’t forget to look at the silicon stall , but what do I know , my the wind on your back always be your own.
@@PazLeBon I think you have said it all = who indeed will buy a second hand electric car , that’s one of many problems in that business. You make a good point, you don’t see many anything that’s electric second hand.
Thank you for another very interesting and enjoyable chat!
Love the podcasts. Keep them coming.
You need to call out FUD even from “experts” in the field of battery materials science. You should have called out the anti-EV arguments that are not founded in reality. The transition to EV’s among many other things is necessary for decarbonization of transportation, not an over exuberance!!!
You’re right and I appreciate you pointing that out, but I also liked the way Robert handled it. He didn’t agree, acknowledged that cars are inherently resource intensive and got him back on topic. Solid interview!
Someone is misinformed about the long tailpipe which has been debunked. EVs may take a year or two to catch up to ICE equivalents but over their lifespan are far greener in terms of GHGs.
In terms of pollution, tailpipe emissions directly impact humans.
An excellent interview there, Robert. Thanks to hoth of you.
Great episode love listening to the show, it gives me hope for the future!
That was just at the limit of my comprehensive - a great introduction to the importance of graphite. Thank you. 🙏
Great show Robert & Nicolas
This is fab conversation - love the live walk and talk Nico shares!
Amazing information on the show, it is clear that Nico is one of kind genius!!! They are the future!
I am an EE, Nicolas is wrong on how charging EV's with energy coming from electricity generated with fossil fuel defeats the purpose of EV being cleaner. An ice engine efficiency is about 30% when new, and a coal electricity plan has a 65% efficiency, so if you stop using ICE cars and have 100% EV's while having electricity 100% coal based generated is quite an improvement for the environment. If our electricity matrix has some renewables is even better. I wonder what Nicolas background is.
I caught that too. Surprised Robert didn't push back on that one since I learned what you said on his program as reoirted by other guests of Roberts But I suppose his style an interviewer is very non-confrontational.
@@Tom-dt4ic with all due respect to Robert I don’t think he recalls everything he has been told in other interviews in the moment. His coworkers tease him about his memory all the time.
Possibly. But this guy trashing the very rational behind EV cars right in front of Robert who is one of their biggest advocates, and doing it counterfactually, seemed like kind of a big motzo ball to ignore. My guess is that Robert is very nice, and very non-confrontational, and also, I suspect, wickedly smart.
It also take a lot electricity to make fuel from oil. People don't like to include it because its hard to calculate but its a lot.
Have a look at Robert's face when Nicolas makes that claim. Very much a case of "tactful mode engaged".
What a wonderfully honest person. Great to have someone who doesn't just good over the pitfalls.
Interesting that he said most people don't want to operate in the UK. Shame the nationalists don't understand the reality of our place in the world economy.
In the UK, you have the same problem as us in New Zealand. We ship our resources overseas to be profited from them instead of using it in-house.
Fascinating.
War always enhances industry. This war against internal combustion is a much more pleasing prospect.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Very interesting thanks for sharing
Thanks
If only there was an industrial process for extracting all the carbon from atmospheric carbon dioxide at a reasonable scale and rate.
Because, you know, we could suck it all up and just makes loads of graphite / graphene batteries out of it. Killing two birds with one stone.
But, unfortunately, while this is theoretically possible and can be done on the tiny scale, we have no means to do it at the sort of industrial scales necessary to make it actually practical and economic.
But, you know, rather than "carbon capture and storage" - where it inevitably just leaks out again - we can follow the example of the trees and plants: "carbon capture and make useful carbon-based things out of it". Trees make wood. We could make graphite / graphene batteries (and other graphite / graphene things, as it really is a very useful material for all sorts of stuff).
Then again, knowing how humanity and capitalism works, we'd probably end up extracting too much carbon, causing "global freezing" instead, in the quest to endlessly profiteer. We really haven't learnt when to just stop and work with what we've already got. "Mend and make do", as they said during the war.
not enough proffits , seems as simple as that.
Born in Pittsburgh. Graphite by the ton used in arc furnaces for decades.
When I was preparing to graduate from engineering school, one of the companies I interviewed with was Union Carbide in Columbia Tennessee. Their product was graphite rods, maybe 30" x 120" which were milled with threaded ends that were used by the steel industry in your neck of the woods.
Many times I would see a semitrailer heading north along I-71 with a load of graphite rods, and immediately knew they were coming from that plant in Columbia Tennessee, which I had visited so many years ago.
The photo bombers enhanced the talk by 💯🧠🤯🥴
Serious topic mixed with office banter. Did make me giggle!
I love to learn new stuff
Thanks, I learned so much again. 👍👍
Love listening to the podcasts , guys and girls at Fully Charged keep up with great work ❤😊
I think that what nobody mentions when talking about legacy car companies is the fact that they must maintain profitability while still investing in a totally new business segment. The stock market expects profits from the while for the likes of Tesla (profitable after 7 years), Rivian (still not profitable) and most Chinese startups (don't know when BYD became profitable). It is a very task and management will be fired after some time of losses (remember Herbert Diess?).
or clive sinclair
BYD was founded in the 90s. The used to just make batteries. So they didn't have a hard time making EVs.
@@Maxkraft19 Aware they made batteries as I was considering theirs when buying as part of my solar installation. Plus they really are far more vertical than all - they even make the electronics in the car plus mobile phones.
Good interesting subject another start up company pushing the advances into battery materials. Like all good companies that want to stay in business it is the economics that drives it, just going green is not enough on its own to pay the bills and that came through very clearly from Nicolas.
Timestamps would be great.
I recall back when folks had an attention span.
So this graphite comes from the production of oil as a byproduct?
So wont that mean as petro chemical companies stop making petrol diesel etc the price for graphite will go through the roof as it will no longer be the byproduct that is subsidised by the fuels coming before it.
Fascinating show, Robert and Nicholas! Your enthusiasm and dedication to a sustainable and renewable energy future is inspiring. Thank you! Peace
but batteries cant be sustainable
Love the FCP!
At the risk of being accused of being pedantic, graphite is actually a form of pure carbon, so it's actually an element not a mineral.
Minerals are chemical compounds from which elements are extracted, such as iron ore/oxide from which the element iron is extracted. This also means that, strictly speaking, the material that natural graphite is extracted from is not a mineral, because the graphite is not chemically combined, it's just mixed, with the rest of the stuff.
Recycling the carbon will be comparable to recycling beer.
Does plastic get manufactured from any oil derivatives ? You seem to have plenty on your bookcase.
I think car manufacturers who jumped in the market vs petrol manufacturers who been in the business will lead because their logistics starts from the ground up around EV vs a manufacturer who’s trying to convert to EV.
Interesting to hear his opinion about recycling graphite. As always we need to reassess all this talk about "up to 98%" of a battery can be recycled. We'll need battery production to actually be circular, so would the requirement to use recycled graphite be yet another factor that keep battery costs high?
Would be interesting with a comparison with batteries not using graphite, like lithium titanate.
A very interesting chat. But this is obviously not the proper person to get clear and definite information from about the possibility of recycling graphite from black mass. I suggest talking to the folks at Redwood Materials about that.
More carbon is expelled with our breaths than out the backdoor.
Besides, for most normal (healthy) people, the largest gas component coming out the backdoor is hydrogen.
Unfortunately, recycling barely seems to have entered into Nicolas's thought processes. Markets are necessary, of course, but it's a shame they are always first and foremost in entrepreneurs' thoughts, with any externalities the responsibility of someone else who needs to "figure out a market". We need more entrepreneurs who are big-picture thinkers, not just money makers.
That, or governments taxing minerals coming from mining more than minerals coming from recycled batteries. All of a sudden, he’ll find a real financial incentive to go for recycled materials 😂
Always frustrating to hear poor interview guest audio - thin, sibilant, digital artifacts 😕 Do you know about double-ender technique, tools? (assuming decent mic, acoustics at both ends)
Bobby, find a stable mount for your camera, please! Camera shake is making me nauseous!
Take the black mass and blend it into the clay before you make bricks.
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If the UK gets 100% of its electricity from offshore wind, or even 100% from renewables, what's going to happen to the electricity generated by nuclear power?, because you can't just switch it off.
Maybe your guest could answer my question that Tesla customer service refuses to. My conundrum... I recently picked up my 2023 model Y and I'm getting mixed messages about charging, depending on whom I'm talking to and which Tesla video I'm watching. "Tesla CEO Elon Musk also once tweeted that the battery pack in the Model 3 and Model Y was designed to last 1,500 charging cycles", yet a Tesla instruction video encourages us to plug in when the car is not in use, regardless of the available miles remaining. Obviously, by following Tesla's charging protocol, it will increase the number of charging cycles resulting in decreasing the life of the battery. Where am I wrong? Will someone please give me an answer to this oxymoronic issue? Example... I unplug it @80% and drive 10 miles back and forth from the store. Then plug it back in when I get home. It charges AGAIN to bring it back to 80%. I just completed ANOTHER CHARGING CYCLE for only 10 miles! This sounds utterly ridiculous to me. Again, how am I wrong about this???
If Tesla has thousands of their cars' owners all following that advice they are well placed to then implement a Virtual Power Station protocol by drawing down on that not insubstantial combined storage by way of bidirectional charging.
So, is it a case of Tesla educating their customers in readiness for such a system to be implemented, or is such a system already possible and part of the reason for Tesla's very low pricing of their EVSE units?
Your reply didn't address my issue. Perhaps you were commenting on the video and accidentally responded to me.
@@TheWhyGuyChannel Yes I was replying to you with this in mind: ua-cam.com/video/snqBKk4Rpjw/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Also a 10% top-up doesn't constitute a "charge cycle" and in addition trials underway in the US by Fermata Energy have found that low demand discharge/low recharging in a V2G context can actually be beneficial to battery SoH.
I guess what you wrote kind-of makes sense considering the charge we get due to regen braking. Are you saying that topping off a battery each day does NOT affect the life of the battery?
@@TheWhyGuyChannel Explained well here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_cycle
The caution though is that allowing a battery to get into the top and bottom 10% of its capacity should be avoided when you have the choice, particularly with NMC chemistry. General rule of thumb is to work within the 20-80% range to protect battery life.
I think that the German EV's are from China too
is here, gave you a 👍! My notifications are on. I am a subscriber. I have received notification of your video 🙂. Audio video is good.
How can this guy not be aware that an electric car, charged from coal on the grid, is significantly less disruptive to the environment than a typical ICE car.
And then not be aware of the actual figures for how many miles an EV needs to go before it's CO2 footprint is smaller than an ICE car?
I can understand Robert not wanting to call the people he interviews out with their ignorance because that would just create an argument.
I often see a Lamborghini Urus V8 around the Stratford-on-Avon, Bristol area with the private registrationplate 2 OW.Can a member of the fully charred show either confirm or deny it maybe a member of your back slapping team ? It's not a difficult question.You just either reply yes or no.So what's the reply ?
Almost afternoon guys
🥰😁Hello Robert and Nicolas, Good morning from 🌏Lismore, NSW.🌏
👍13th & 14th April 2024👍 - We are having a field day - Bi-directional Charging - Battery Electric Vehicles & Renewable Energy Field Days, 🌏Lismore Workers Sports Club.🌏
your sound quality is so low I cannot enjoy this further. sorry. I'm at 21:11 on your podcast.
Why is tesla a Chinese car.? No one says that about gm, or Buick built there. Just tesla...
More FUD from this guy, not worthy of FCP. Pull the video down!
Awfully noisy place from which to record . Podcast version seems even worse.
If CO2 is a worldwide problem.
And nuclear industries are the answer.
Then military costs must be added to the nuclear industries solution.
If EVs are a worldwide solution then raw materials must include military costs if they are sent to be processed in other countries.
Also nuclear electricity as a CO2 replacement solution must include the incredible costs of expanding the national electrical grid capacity.
If electricity is cheap to transmit then just run transmission lines down to Spain or North Africa.
Ezi pezi.
Trust me electricity transmission is incredibly expensive.
Rooftop solar PV has
no military defence costs and
no transmission costs and
no greenfield infrastructure costs.
Fossil fuels in an emergency is a huge improvement in today's world.
[s] But but the we only need s batteries to just have solar and wind[/s]
Storage isn't easy.
Why I find it more important to hammer on nuclear and geothermal energy production.
hydrogen is really the only viable sustanable fuel
we have catlytic convertors on our cars to remove emmissions, why dont we invest more into this tech and just clean this super efficient high enegy fuel as it burns?
It isn't super efficient. Internal combustion engines are about 30% efficient, most of the energy leaks out in frictional heat loss and noise.
@@BudahOfBirmingham i was talking about burning fossil fuels not neccasarily an engine, oil is obviously so energy dense
@@BudahOfBirmingham New engines are over 50% , f1 engines for example :)
@@PazLeBon F1 engine technology is infeasible for road cars - they are extremely expensive, very high-strung and don't last very long. They're even removing the MGU-H in the next round of regulation changes due to how complicated it is and how little practicality it has.
You also can't use catalytic converters to remove CO2, which is one of the main problems with vehicle emissions.
@@drunkenhobo8020 yeah i realise that , just acknowledging that technology still makes combustion engines more efficientover time. C02 is another level of problem :)
you start to sound like Barbara Lerner Spectre when you talk about the energy transformation... I do wish the whole thing was less fear and forced, and more fact based.
facts suggest ev's are a dead end
The 10 highest Mileage Tesla Model 3 electric cars in the world
The Electric Viking
tesla, owned by the same guy burining tonnes of rocket fuel?
I don’t drive an electric car = one they are expensive to purchase but maybe it’s just me and two expensive to charge them , others who do drive them and like them and can afford to purchase them and charge them = good for them , maybe in twenty or thirty years when the majority of people can afford them they may like them also. Oh by the way the silicon battery is the future not what the gentleman is saying but obviously he has to promote his stall in the market place, don’t forget to look at the silicon stall , but what do I know , my the wind on your back always be your own.
It's cheaper to charge and maintain an electric car than to fuel up and maintain a fossil fuel car.
@@eclecticcyclist good to know you have a sense of humour.
but who will buy a second hand one? do you buy second hand laptops?
@@eclecticcyclist the entire 'grid' will need to be four times the size it is now, do you realise that?
@@PazLeBon I think you have said it all = who indeed will buy a second hand electric car , that’s one of many problems in that business. You make a good point, you don’t see many anything that’s electric second hand.
Why Nissan's $9.5 billion plan completely failed in China
The Electric Viking
The BIGGEST mistake EV owners are making when it comes to the battery
The Electric Viking
Toyota reveals 25 years of Hydrogen development NEW EV killing engine
The Electric Viking
Any proof ..... links ??
Lol😅