Y’all remember the term “Saber Metrics” which I think was actually SABermetrics or something? That’s when this crap really started. 100 years of baseball before that it was like they hadn’t figured out how to throw a baseball yet when that came along. And with that crap came all these injuries. The more analytics the more the injuries stacked up. I was paying close attention to baseball in the 90s and it just wasn’t like this. It was like every third Pitcher had one somewhat major injury during there career, the other two quality Big league pitchers never got hurt aside from minor aches and pains. And Smoltz is a great example. He had that one major injury, got surgery? Went to the bullpen, become an amazing Closer while Maddux and Glavine were relatively injury free. Who threw the hardest of those three? Smoltz. But he didn’t do it with all the analytics crap and his wasn’t like the injuries now.
I think maybe it's because teams are being more cautious, and not wanting something minor to turn into something major The value of pitchers are going up
I’ve been saying the same thing as both Ben and John for YEARS. Until some changes are made where SPs are incentivized to go deeper into games (ergo causing most to reserve energy for the long game), this will be a continued problem and will only get worse. If these young guys just learn how to pitch and hit their spots then they won’t need to throw 102.
I think John is right... we need to get used to higher ERA stat lines, and more innings accumulated per season from starters. Starting pitchers need to learn how to pitch in that 80-90% of full tilt range, picking their spots to ramp up velocity. (But ironically Ben and John lauded Glasnow just moments later, who has the exact opposite profile of someone enduring a marathon. Glasnow has never accumulated more than 125 innings in a season.) I don't know what the entire solution is, but what if mlb rules committee limited pitching changes per 9 inning game? Would that encourage starters to go deeper into games? What if for any pitcher who has completed 4 innings, 2 seconds are then added to the pitch clock, plus 2 more seconds for each additional inning completed thereafter. When a pitcher change occurs, take the pitch clock back down to the original baseline. How about opening the strike zone back UP to the armpits? I'd be curious to know how much the strike zone has shrunken over the last 60yrs. Opening up the strike zone should help emphasize location more, rather than just pure power.
Tom Glavine says it best...pitching has turned into, just throw it as hard as you can, every pitch, give us maybe 5 innings and then the next guy up, do the same thing...how many guys are in the Hall of Fame who did NOT throw 99 every pitch and they also pitched longer in games and in careers in general...at 93 mph well placed fastball (meaning on the corners & top and bottom) can be just as unhittable, as a 101mph where even the pitcher has little idea exactly where it goes...pitchers I hate to say it, need to be taught how to pitch, meaning, learning batters weaknesses, have more than 2 pitches in there pocket and learn when and where to use the arsenal of pitches...people can say smotlz and glavine are old school, that's lazy, they are humans, with arms, just as the guys today...it all starts with the organization teaching pitchers how to pitch...
EXPANSION. Expansion in the 90’s by four teams is my belief of what lead to all these Arm injuries. Back then the big thing, ALL you heard about was how thin Pitching would be spread across MLB and how there wasn’t enough pitching as it was. And that dialog started before the D-Backs and Rays. To compensate for Pitchers that knew how to locate, since you can’t teach intelligent, pitch selection like Maddux and Mussina and Saberhagen and Glavine and on and on and on…the one thing they COULD teach in baseball was how to throw gas. You look at it. That is PRECISELY when UCL injuries started to explode. When they add these next two teams, mark my words…IT WILL GET WORSE.
I cant believe that mlb and players dont understand how to avoid injuries and why theyre on the rise. Is for one thing and very simple. They do not train for withstanding more throws they only train for increasing velocity. Tell me which pitcher in the offseason goes all the way to 100-150 pitch bullpens? Nobody absolutely nobody. The only way to be prepared to throw 100 throws in the game is that in the offseason you slowly progress all the way to 100-150 throws. You might call me crazy to encourage offseason bullpens of 100-150 throws but its even crazier to think that 30 pitch bullpens will prepare you to throw 100 in the game. That is foolish nonsense. The arm doesnt know how many throws is doing it only knows stress. If youve only throwing 30 pitch bullpens and then increase it all of the sudden to 100 youre increasing more than double of what your body can handle. Now if you slowly progress in the offseason to 150 throws your body and arm are going to get use to that stress. But pitchers from today dont give their body the opportunity to get use to the stress. They think that fancy exercises or better mechanics will do it. Or they think that there is something else that will do the magic. It doesnt exist. The only thing you can do to prepare your body to throw 100 pitches in the game and remain healthy is that you slowly progress to those numbers of throws in the offseason. Period nothing else will do the job but that. Sometimes you only need logic and common sense to solve a problem. Its ironic that sometimes common sense is the least sense the human uses.
Why do you think that throwing overhand is NOT a natural motion? Too many guys are saying this without saying why. It’s probably because throwing overhand IS a natural motion. How can run of the mill 10 year old throwers throw overhand and live to tell about it? Overhand throwing is as natural as breathing. Look at the structure of the muscles in the chest and shoulders. They are designed to wind up to throw spears at dinner thousands of years ago. My great niece at age 22 months had her first throw recorded by my sister in law, this little girls’ first recorded throw was OVERHAND. Guess what? She survived a traumatic event by attempting to do something that way too many people are incorrectly saying is unnatural: overhand throwing. Oh, if you add in throwing a 2 lb baseball 46 mph 15 times in a row overhand, how in the hell did that thrower survive an unnatural overhand throw?
Evolution is proof. Underhand is natural. Overhand puts strain on multiple points of the arm. Why are you arguing with professional baseball players in the first place?
@@figmillenium we are the only species that can throw overhand because of the way the human body is designed. Indigenous people have been seen throwing rocks and spears overhanded. My great niece made her first throw overhanded. Throwing overhanded is as natural as walking. Google it. Even Glen Fleisig says overhand throwing is a natural motion.
What do you think is the cause of all the pitching injuries?
Y’all remember the term “Saber Metrics” which I think was actually SABermetrics or something? That’s when this crap really started. 100 years of baseball before that it was like they hadn’t figured out how to throw a baseball yet when that came along. And with that crap came all these injuries. The more analytics the more the injuries stacked up. I was paying close attention to baseball in the 90s and it just wasn’t like this. It was like every third Pitcher had one somewhat major injury during there career, the other two quality Big league pitchers never got hurt aside from minor aches and pains. And Smoltz is a great example. He had that one major injury, got surgery? Went to the bullpen, become an amazing Closer while Maddux and Glavine were relatively injury free. Who threw the hardest of those three? Smoltz. But he didn’t do it with all the analytics crap and his wasn’t like the injuries now.
I think maybe it's because teams are being more cautious, and not wanting something minor to turn into something major
The value of pitchers are going up
I see what you’re saying but I’m not so sure. Since when has been overly cautious ever led to any kind of unexpected repercussions? Lol
I'm glad Ben asked John why he hadn't eaten on that day... I was wondering myself, what the heck is a zagnut diet😄
I’ve been saying the same thing as both Ben and John for YEARS. Until some changes are made where SPs are incentivized to go deeper into games (ergo causing most to reserve energy for the long game), this will be a continued problem and will only get worse. If these young guys just learn how to pitch and hit their spots then they won’t need to throw 102.
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I think John is right... we need to get used to higher ERA stat lines, and more innings accumulated per season from starters. Starting pitchers need to learn how to pitch in that 80-90% of full tilt range, picking their spots to ramp up velocity. (But ironically Ben and John lauded Glasnow just moments later, who has the exact opposite profile of someone enduring a marathon. Glasnow has never accumulated more than 125 innings in a season.)
I don't know what the entire solution is, but what if mlb rules committee limited pitching changes per 9 inning game? Would that encourage starters to go deeper into games?
What if for any pitcher who has completed 4 innings, 2 seconds are then added to the pitch clock, plus 2 more seconds for each additional inning completed thereafter. When a pitcher change occurs, take the pitch clock back down to the original baseline.
How about opening the strike zone back UP to the armpits? I'd be curious to know how much the strike zone has shrunken over the last 60yrs. Opening up the strike zone should help emphasize location more, rather than just pure power.
Tom Glavine says it best...pitching has turned into, just throw it as hard as you can, every pitch, give us maybe 5 innings and then the next guy up, do the same thing...how many guys are in the Hall of Fame who did NOT throw 99 every pitch and they also pitched longer in games and in careers in general...at 93 mph well placed fastball (meaning on the corners & top and bottom) can be just as unhittable, as a 101mph where even the pitcher has little idea exactly where it goes...pitchers I hate to say it, need to be taught how to pitch, meaning, learning batters weaknesses, have more than 2 pitches in there pocket and learn when and where to use the arsenal of pitches...people can say smotlz and glavine are old school, that's lazy, they are humans, with arms, just as the guys today...it all starts with the organization teaching pitchers how to pitch...
How come there's no video of his almost no hitter
EXPANSION. Expansion in the 90’s by four teams is my belief of what lead to all these Arm injuries. Back then the big thing, ALL you heard about was how thin Pitching would be spread across MLB and how there wasn’t enough pitching as it was. And that dialog started before the D-Backs and Rays. To compensate for Pitchers that knew how to locate, since you can’t teach intelligent, pitch selection like Maddux and Mussina and Saberhagen and Glavine and on and on and on…the one thing they COULD teach in baseball was how to throw gas. You look at it. That is PRECISELY when UCL injuries started to explode. When they add these next two teams, mark my words…IT WILL GET WORSE.
I cant believe that mlb and players dont understand how to avoid injuries and why theyre on the rise. Is for one thing and very simple. They do not train for withstanding more throws they only train for increasing velocity. Tell me which pitcher in the offseason goes all the way to 100-150 pitch bullpens? Nobody absolutely nobody. The only way to be prepared to throw 100 throws in the game is that in the offseason you slowly progress all the way to 100-150 throws. You might call me crazy to encourage offseason bullpens of 100-150 throws but its even crazier to think that 30 pitch bullpens will prepare you to throw 100 in the game. That is foolish nonsense. The arm doesnt know how many throws is doing it only knows stress. If youve only throwing 30 pitch bullpens and then increase it all of the sudden to 100 youre increasing more than double of what your body can handle. Now if you slowly progress in the offseason to 150 throws your body and arm are going to get use to that stress. But pitchers from today dont give their body the opportunity to get use to the stress. They think that fancy exercises or better mechanics will do it. Or they think that there is something else that will do the magic. It doesnt exist. The only thing you can do to prepare your body to throw 100 pitches in the game and remain healthy is that you slowly progress to those numbers of throws in the offseason. Period nothing else will do the job but that. Sometimes you only need logic and common sense to solve a problem. Its ironic that sometimes common sense is the least sense the human uses.
Why haven’t Ben or Alex released any statements in support of the innocent women and children being starved in Gaza? Do they support Netanyahu?
Why do you think that throwing overhand is NOT a natural motion? Too many guys are saying this without saying why. It’s probably because throwing overhand IS a natural motion. How can run of the mill 10 year old throwers throw overhand and live to tell about it? Overhand throwing is as natural as breathing. Look at the structure of the muscles in the chest and shoulders. They are designed to wind up to throw spears at dinner thousands of years ago. My great niece at age 22 months had her first throw recorded by my sister in law, this little girls’ first recorded throw was OVERHAND. Guess what? She survived a traumatic event by attempting to do something that way too many people are incorrectly saying is unnatural: overhand throwing. Oh, if you add in throwing a 2 lb baseball 46 mph 15 times in a row overhand, how in the hell did that thrower survive an unnatural overhand throw?
Evolution is proof. Underhand is natural. Overhand puts strain on multiple points of the arm. Why are you arguing with professional baseball players in the first place?
So you’re evolutionary biologist as well?
@@figmillenium we are the only species that can throw overhand because of the way the human body is designed. Indigenous people have been seen throwing rocks and spears overhanded. My great niece made her first throw overhanded. Throwing overhanded is as natural as walking. Google it. Even Glen Fleisig says overhand throwing is a natural motion.
I'm glad Ben asked John why he hadn't eaten on that day... I was wondering myself, what the heck is a zagnut diet😄
Those Zagnuts