Hello Lady Decade, This is ZethN64, the Ura Project's lead. While I understand Ben is probably an easier person to get a hold of, he was nothing more than a concept artist while I was the one who did a majority of the 3D modeling and designing for the project as Ben was not around during a good portion of it. The project was put together back then as a way to give fans what they wanted, our own version of Ura Zelda. At the time there wasn't much known and a lot of websites claimed miyamoto interviews which were just false information written by hopeful fans. I spent a lot of time looking over japanese interviews in magazines such as Famitsu and having our team member ShadowFire translate stuff to get a better idea of what Ura Zelda was going to be about. Most of the interviews made mention of something similar akin to Master Quest which is why we decided to create our own, while incorporating beta elements. As for the files in the gigaleak, I do need to correct things. There was not a lot of stuff that had DD appended to it and the community was quick to make exclaiminations which aren't true. Looking over the files that are leftover regarding the DD, we can see that it was nothing more than Master Quest, or at least an incomplete version. The hooks used in OOT's code would only replace the main dungeons. The Ice Cavern, The Gerudo Training Grounds, and Ganon's castle would of been omitted if following directly with what OOT's cartridge code suggest. However in the DD files from the gigaleak, it seems they planned for some sort of patching method to get around the limitations of the cartridge hooks, to allow them to add the Ice Cavern and The Gerudo Training grounds, though Ganon's Castle would of still been omitted. The Gcube version, that they compiled a new rom for, actually contains the Ganon's Castle dungeon which is in the gigaleak. Regarding the boss rush mode that people are talking about, these are nothing more than test rooms, not boss rush modes. Some of the maps have ddtes which stood for dd test. These were to test DD functionality while the new dungeons were still being worked on, which is why they include things like map, compass, navi information hints, etc for something that isn't needed for a boss rush or a two map dungeon. These files names are nowhere mentioned in the files required to build the expansion disk. As for some of the Majora's Mask leftovers found in the Ocarina of Time files, these are appended with the Z2 abbreviation which all Majora's Mask maps have them. Most likely Anouma started testing in the OOT repo before moving it into its own Majora's Mask. Again, there are no references in the DD files for building the disk that reference these maps to be used. I figure I would clear up some of the confusion! Other maps shown in the video like Kokiri forest or Ganon's castle were just beta maps leftover from the development period, same goes with the old enemies such as the Iron knuckle, octorok, wallmaster and Stalfos.
"we decided to create our own, while incorporating beta elements" this is the way to go, in my opinion. Scratch everyone's decades-long itches and include things like the Wind Temple, Ice Temple(perhaps its entrance would be located in the dubious cavern below Zora Hall; this could offer extra explanation as to why Zora Hall is frozen over in the future besides "Ganon evil", because you didn't complete the Ice Temple as a child, its power grew too much and took over Zora Hall above it), Light Temple (maybe accessible via Hyrule Castle, IF players can figure out how to get back in a second time...), Unicorn Fountain (with Beta Great Fairy, maybe she could transform Epona into a unicorn with infinite stamina), Ganondorf's Castle, and the Triforce (which could grant Link the use of the blade beam)... yes, I have a bunch of ideas for this. Keep in mind, this would mean that you might have to consider reworking existing dungeons to ensure that light themed puzzles are only in the light temple and wind themed puzzles are only in the wind temple, etc etc. I should tell you though, if you're serious about the project, YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR EXPECTATIONS REASONABLE AND MAKE A COMMITMENT TO FINISH. Too many Ura Zelda projects have failed at this point, so hopefully the giga leak has rekindled passion for the project. You also need to give gamers a legitimate reason to want to revisit such an old game. One suggestion I have would be to give players a much more difficult and secretive method of defeating Ganon: as child Link, before Ganon ever has the chance to take over Hyrule. Maybe you would have to clear the Wind and Ice Temples to acquire the new powers needed to access his otherwise completely hidden castle. There, you could duel him (only if you have blade beam, it would be a subsitute for the otherwise-necessary light arrows) and eventually chase him out to Hyrule on horseback while he rides his "phantom" horse (this could be where the unicorn upgrade would be necessary). Also consider adding some other cool stuff, like being able to play as Zelda, similar to how Majora's Mask gives players a short time to play as Kafei. There's an OOT randomizer that does this: ua-cam.com/video/VfUWuzuD4lA/v-deo.html
@@0rnami I think I need to stop you right there for a moment, the Ura Project has been cancelled for over 8 years. There is no plan to start it back up again. I do have a new project which will reuse some of the unused ideas from the old project but it's not the same project at all. The old project was too ambitious for the tools and resources we had available at the time. I'm glad to let sleeping dogs lie and let the new project take a foothold without any of the drama/negativity that surrounded the old one.
@@ZethN64 Looks like I misread one of your more recent comments. To be perfectly honest, I had a feeling that I was wasting my time. So much shame. Good luck with whatever it is you're doing.
The most amazing thing about OOT is that it basically came up with the template for 3D action games for the next 20 years. Such an amazing, trailblazing game. Just hearing the music still gives me chills!
Ocarina of Time & Majora’s Mask are two of the best games ever created. Donkey Kong World, Diddy Kong Racing, Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie 1 & 2 were awesome N64 games too.
24 years later & it is still miles ahead of games today in terms of story, soundtrack, emotion & depth. Games these days lack what this game did sooo soo well decades ago.
So what I’ve heard from interviews, it was stated that they began work on the expansion as Miyamoto requested, and it was Anouma who went to Miyamoto stating that they would rather create a new game as Ocarina of Time had already been perfected. Essentially they were given the go ahead if they could complete the game in one year, or to otherwise finish the expansion. They knew 1 year was not enough time to make a new game, so they reused all the assets from Ocarina of Time to create Majora’s Mask. So a lot of the ideas they had for URA Zelda ended up in Majora’s Mask, as it was unclear whether they could finish the game within the given time frame however, they stuck to rearranging dungeons in Ocarina of Time in case Majora’s Mask didn’t finish in time, they could just release the expansion instead. Then since both were technically done, it was decided to release as a bonus disc for Wind Waker. Now what people don’t know is that the canceled Zelda 64 also eventually released as Twilight Princess. In research I have done, I’ve come to the realization that nearly everything that got cut from Zelda 64 in its transition to Ocarina of Time had been repurposed in Twilight Princess including large plot elements, and even some nods to the fact that Ocarina of Time originally was a remake of Zelda II. Ironic really as I see a lot of fans only complain about Twilight Princess and beg for Zelda 64 to still be released in some shape or form, even though that’s exactly what Twilight Princess is.
I need to play Twilight Princess still. I have Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask and the original 2 NES games for Gamecube or compatible Wii of course. I also have the original N64 versions too. Love these games, two of the best ever created. What killed Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword was the graphics. It seemed, especially in Skyward Sword, the system was trying to push graphics to levels it couldn’t handle and the graphics were terrible. Maybe the HD converter for Wii would make this better. I’d like to get it anyways since I haven’t played Twilight Princess. I hope it makes a noticeable improvement.
dont worry, Nintendo will release it in another 10 years as an upgrade to the Nintendo Online service, which will run on buggy emulation, use an optional controller of which only 10 were made, and cost an additional 80 USD per year
I swear Lady Decade has showed me more things u never knew about in retro gaming then almost all the other channels combined. Idk how she finds these things.
It's Master Quest. Code in the rom supports it, Nintendo's claims support it. Extra maps in the leaks were for early Majora's Mask and not Ura. It's been released since 2002. You can go home now. Sorry to disappoint. The only thing cut from MQ was a boss rush (found in the gigaleak) which was eventually added to Ocarina 3D anyway. You can find more info about this pinned in the #tcrf channel in The Cutting Room Floor Discord server, said info I will post here: "Ura Zelda and Zelda X are different names for the same thing. Zelda X was an internal name, while Ura was the aimed release title (as you see with Master Quest in Japan). Ura Zelda (as I'll call it from here forward) was largely just a remixed Ocarina of Time. This was known because the only areas that we knew (at the time) that Retail Z64 tried calling from 64DD were dungeon maps. Much of the misunderstanding about Ura Zelda comes from a few things. 1. Triforce Rumours. Everyone remembers them. Most of us probably hunted for them. It became a common rumour that Ura Zelda would unlock a way to get to the Triforce. 2. Zeth's Ura Zelda project. A bunch of people thought this was recovering existing assets and then THAT spread around. 3. Existing beta elements in the final rom (such as unfinished demo shots and cutscene areas) that were just off base enough from what we knew in the final to fan the flames. Many of these things led a large amount of people to believe that Ura Zelda would be a full story and world expansion to Ocarina of Time. As far as the Z2 Gaiden files in the OOT repo folders, The Ura Zelda team split from people who didn't want to work on just more OOT and that became the Zelda Gaiden (Majora's Mask) team. It's my opinion that most likely those were put in there by mistake. Maybe members who remained on both teams and accidentally pushed to the wrong repo."
Fun fact they sell chinese bootleg versions of this in complete english for actual N64s and it even has the Master Quest label from the Gamecube version
After some wasted consideration, I found absolutely NOTHING fun about this fact. As a matter of fact, there's nothing even remotely grin-cracking about that fact. In the future, please choose your adjectives carefully, as reading your so-called fun fact turned out to be a major disappointment. Yeah... not even a chuckle... nothing!
The standard English pronunciation underwent changes in the 18th-19th century, such as dropping "R's" in words like water (making it sound like "watah"), because it was becoming fashionable to do this at the time. This is why the British say words differently from how they're spelled today. According to historians, the standard American accent of today sounds more like the Queens English from the 1700s than the standard British accent (called received pronunciation) does. Not trying to brag... I just find it interesting :)
So I was laying on the floor playing Zelda OTT on the N64. So my 4 year old son came in and looked really interested and started playing with me. Now when he comes home from school he says he wants to defeat Ganon so we get further each day , up to Spirit temple at the moment and having a blast then found you're channel just today .😉 I can feel you're passion and enthusiasm which makes me smile . Keep playing and posting you are such a beautiful person .😃 Joe
I think it's a combination of working with time and resources (the game's development was delayed, leading to Miyamoto's famous but hit-or-miss quote on good games), and that the 'URA' tag sounds more mysterious than it needs to be. Game content gets trimmed out during development and often left in a folder somewhere on a server that will later hacked in 2020. :P The old fighting game Battle Arena Toshinden 2 on the PSX got re-released on the Saturn as Battle Arena Toshinden URA (Ultimate Revenge Attack, neat). It's the same game except it has sweet extras like a fully-voiced story mode for each character (presented like a visual novel). So you're correct in suggesting that an URA moniker is basically a re-issued game with the DLC and ironed out design added on. Nintendo just kept dicking around with the cartridge vs CD format for too long.
The most literal translation of "ura" would be "other side", "Ura Zelda" was probably just a place holder nickname, something like "Zelda Side B", I suspect if it had actually been released as planned it probably would have been as "Master Quest".
I made a video about this on my channel 10 years ago and the new info that's come out since makes my head spin. The amount of research that went into putting all the pieces together at the time was a serious puzzle & full time jump, and it's been interesting to see what we got right, and what we got wrong. Sky temple for example, lol. Boy did it burn me out though.
Ocarina of Time was definitely my favourite game! Great video, nice to get the history and context about what was my favourite thing in the world as a kid. I remember reading about Ura Zelda and waiting for it, and also getting MasterQuest with Wind Waker but never played it, and that there was a lot of weird things about it all.
There were a few fact about this that I was previously unaware of, thank you very much for informing me. I've always enjoyed the videos that you have produced and I hope that you will continue for a long time.
OOT's got one of the most fascinating development history I've ever heard, it's a gift that's still giving to this day. Your point near the end about assets labelled "DD" is interesting because I did wonder if Snowhead Temple in Majora's Mask, due to its Water Temple-like hub structure, could have been recycled from that originally planned ice temple.
The Majora's assets aren't for Ura. They're either the for the dungeons made in secret by Aonuma before they split to work on Majora or they're Majora maps that were accidentally pushed to the wrong repo by people working on both games. The final game in the code only calls for dungeon maps with the DD.
I feel like the history of this game and the information that is/was known has changed so much and is now just based off what miyamoto said ura Zelda was. I remeber when this game was in development and when the DD stuff was rumored. There was so much out there about new story lines, dungeons, outfits, abilities. I remember talking to friends in highschool about this stuff. All that seemed to vanish until the hack happened, and I was like "I heard about that 20+ years ago." So weird.
I do fully believe that Ocarina of time was supposed to have more dungeons and even more items since that hack happened. I don’t believe anything Nintendo said regarding that master quest was ura Zelda and that’s it. It doesn’t make sense. That being said it I believe Nintendo said or shigeru once said that cut elements from ocarina like the extra dungeons were changed up and recycled in other Zelda games that came after it. I read about that once. There is even code in ocarina from the hack where you can combine the medallions with your arrows to give your arrows different effects but what exactly where those effects is unknown but there are some very good logical guess on what each one does. This is my opinion of course but I have seen some stuff regarding ura zelda and I what I believed to be true regarding it. Great video though. 👍
What hack are you talking about, and where can I get a copy? I'd personally think a hack that _restores_ this add on *and* finishes up what _all_ the game was meant to be SHOULD BE MADE.
I'm with you on this. I remember when this game was in development and then after when the expansions were rumored, there was so much that this game was supposed to be. I remeber hearing about a white tunic and a yellow tunic, a true day/night cycle, different temples and plotlines. There was so much out there.
So, instead of releasing an add on for OOT (and getting paid once for it), the Greed Lords at Nintendo split it up into several games, thereby multiplying their revenue. How unsurprising of them...
@@evdestroy4121 I agree...partially. My takeaway was they moved items & enemies around, and made them harder to kill in MQ. But some of it came out as MM, with the rest distributed elsewhere. It's a lot easier to produce content for "new" games when certain percentages of it are just pasted in.
@@MAGA_Patriot2024 It's not that simple. Aonuma didn't want to just remix dungeons and call it there. (Enemies aren't more difficult to kill in MQ) So Miyamoto gave him a 1 year time limit to make his own work using Zelda 64 as a base, leading to Majora's Mask. Also MQ was never released as a standalone game. It was a bonus to Wind Waker. This is the opposite of greed. Nowadays I'm sure a similar package would be sold for 30 dollars as an "All Star" pack or some such.
5:22 yes they could have gotten it to work if they had have the n64 dd load motion data into ram or a internal storage to access faster, it just would have costed more
I ended up with a ROM of Master Quest on a N64 flash cart. It's odd because the buttons on screen are still Gamecube but it plays perfectly fine on the N64. I quite enjoyed playing it. It's a bit like playing an official ROM hack.
I loved my GameCube bonus disc with the original and master quest. Played it more than wind waker. On a side note it still amazes me resident evil 2 came to n64 on a 64mb cart and they fit it all in from disc
I always felt like the Wind Temple in WW felt like it was an idea intended for an earlier game. Hard to pinpoint why that is, except that the design of the place and the music both reminded me of OOT specifically. I'm really interested in stuff like this, like how Chrono Trigger got several bosses and areas that were probably cut from Secret of Mana.
I think Twilight Princess is what Nintendo wanted Ocarina of Time to be, obviously they didn't intend OOT to have wolf link or the twilight but I think the epicness and scale of TP is what they wanted for OOT. That's part of the reason I think TP was made.
ura has been known for years. if nintendo do decide to do a remaster of zelda oot they need to add all of the unused content & add ura & put it on the switch.
The Nintendo disc drive never being released in North America was my biggest childhood disappointment. I kinda still want to buy one on eBay to try and heal the wound left by it’s absence.😢
I love Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask equally. I first started playing on NES when the first Legend of Zelda came out. I’ve played a majority of Zelda games through except about 5 of them. I haven’t got through Phantom Hourglass, Spirit tracks, Minish Cap, Four Swords or Twilight Princess. I’m pretty far into Spirit tacks and almost through Minish Cap though. Absolutely amazing games one of the best sagas on gaming history.
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WHAT! Hard mode Ocarina of Time let me guess the real cart going cost me a kidney?
Awesome review 😊
You keep saying “Ocer-rina” it’s OcA-rina. It’s ok I used to say Orcarina when I was a kid
The UA-cam gods brought me here, very pleased with your work 🙂 definitely learn something from this video 👍
Hello Lady Decade, This is ZethN64, the Ura Project's lead. While I understand Ben is probably an easier person to get a hold of, he was nothing more than a concept artist while I was the one who did a majority of the 3D modeling and designing for the project as Ben was not around during a good portion of it. The project was put together back then as a way to give fans what they wanted, our own version of Ura Zelda. At the time there wasn't much known and a lot of websites claimed miyamoto interviews which were just false information written by hopeful fans. I spent a lot of time looking over japanese interviews in magazines such as Famitsu and having our team member ShadowFire translate stuff to get a better idea of what Ura Zelda was going to be about. Most of the interviews made mention of something similar akin to Master Quest which is why we decided to create our own, while incorporating beta elements.
As for the files in the gigaleak, I do need to correct things. There was not a lot of stuff that had DD appended to it and the community was quick to make exclaiminations which aren't true. Looking over the files that are leftover regarding the DD, we can see that it was nothing more than Master Quest, or at least an incomplete version. The hooks used in OOT's code would only replace the main dungeons. The Ice Cavern, The Gerudo Training Grounds, and Ganon's castle would of been omitted if following directly with what OOT's cartridge code suggest. However in the DD files from the gigaleak, it seems they planned for some sort of patching method to get around the limitations of the cartridge hooks, to allow them to add the Ice Cavern and The Gerudo Training grounds, though Ganon's Castle would of still been omitted. The Gcube version, that they compiled a new rom for, actually contains the Ganon's Castle dungeon which is in the gigaleak. Regarding the boss rush mode that people are talking about, these are nothing more than test rooms, not boss rush modes. Some of the maps have ddtes which stood for dd test. These were to test DD functionality while the new dungeons were still being worked on, which is why they include things like map, compass, navi information hints, etc for something that isn't needed for a boss rush or a two map dungeon. These files names are nowhere mentioned in the files required to build the expansion disk. As for some of the Majora's Mask leftovers found in the Ocarina of Time files, these are appended with the Z2 abbreviation which all Majora's Mask maps have them. Most likely Anouma started testing in the OOT repo before moving it into its own Majora's Mask. Again, there are no references in the DD files for building the disk that reference these maps to be used. I figure I would clear up some of the confusion! Other maps shown in the video like Kokiri forest or Ganon's castle were just beta maps leftover from the development period, same goes with the old enemies such as the Iron knuckle, octorok, wallmaster and Stalfos.
thanks
"we decided to create our own, while incorporating beta elements" this is the way to go, in my opinion. Scratch everyone's decades-long itches and include things like the Wind Temple, Ice Temple(perhaps its entrance would be located in the dubious cavern below Zora Hall; this could offer extra explanation as to why Zora Hall is frozen over in the future besides "Ganon evil", because you didn't complete the Ice Temple as a child, its power grew too much and took over Zora Hall above it), Light Temple (maybe accessible via Hyrule Castle, IF players can figure out how to get back in a second time...), Unicorn Fountain (with Beta Great Fairy, maybe she could transform Epona into a unicorn with infinite stamina), Ganondorf's Castle, and the Triforce (which could grant Link the use of the blade beam)... yes, I have a bunch of ideas for this. Keep in mind, this would mean that you might have to consider reworking existing dungeons to ensure that light themed puzzles are only in the light temple and wind themed puzzles are only in the wind temple, etc etc.
I should tell you though, if you're serious about the project, YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR EXPECTATIONS REASONABLE AND MAKE A COMMITMENT TO FINISH. Too many Ura Zelda projects have failed at this point, so hopefully the giga leak has rekindled passion for the project. You also need to give gamers a legitimate reason to want to revisit such an old game. One suggestion I have would be to give players a much more difficult and secretive method of defeating Ganon: as child Link, before Ganon ever has the chance to take over Hyrule. Maybe you would have to clear the Wind and Ice Temples to acquire the new powers needed to access his otherwise completely hidden castle. There, you could duel him (only if you have blade beam, it would be a subsitute for the otherwise-necessary light arrows) and eventually chase him out to Hyrule on horseback while he rides his "phantom" horse (this could be where the unicorn upgrade would be necessary). Also consider adding some other cool stuff, like being able to play as Zelda, similar to how Majora's Mask gives players a short time to play as Kafei. There's an OOT randomizer that does this: ua-cam.com/video/VfUWuzuD4lA/v-deo.html
@@0rnami I think I need to stop you right there for a moment, the Ura Project has been cancelled for over 8 years. There is no plan to start it back up again. I do have a new project which will reuse some of the unused ideas from the old project but it's not the same project at all. The old project was too ambitious for the tools and resources we had available at the time. I'm glad to let sleeping dogs lie and let the new project take a foothold without any of the drama/negativity that surrounded the old one.
@@ZethN64 Looks like I misread one of your more recent comments. To be perfectly honest, I had a feeling that I was wasting my time. So much shame. Good luck with whatever it is you're doing.
The most amazing thing about OOT is that it basically came up with the template for 3D action games for the next 20 years. Such an amazing, trailblazing game. Just hearing the music still gives me chills!
It truly is amazing. Part of gaming history.
It would be fair to mention the first Tomb Raider, which had been released 2 years earlier, but certainly OOT had a huge impact as well
Ocarina of Time & Majora’s Mask are two of the best games ever created. Donkey Kong World, Diddy Kong Racing, Mario 64 and Banjo Kazooie 1 & 2 were awesome N64 games too.
24 years later & it is still miles ahead of games today in terms of story, soundtrack, emotion & depth. Games these days lack what this game did sooo soo well decades ago.
the story is not that deep though
"The greatest Archer Sneak Thief that has ever eaten a sweet roll" better words have never been uttered.
Ocariner of Time is my favorite Zelda ever. I loved playing Titanic on my Ocariner
Do a duet with Liser Simpson
So what I’ve heard from interviews, it was stated that they began work on the expansion as Miyamoto requested, and it was Anouma who went to Miyamoto stating that they would rather create a new game as Ocarina of Time had already been perfected. Essentially they were given the go ahead if they could complete the game in one year, or to otherwise finish the expansion. They knew 1 year was not enough time to make a new game, so they reused all the assets from Ocarina of Time to create Majora’s Mask.
So a lot of the ideas they had for URA Zelda ended up in Majora’s Mask, as it was unclear whether they could finish the game within the given time frame however, they stuck to rearranging dungeons in Ocarina of Time in case Majora’s Mask didn’t finish in time, they could just release the expansion instead.
Then since both were technically done, it was decided to release as a bonus disc for Wind Waker.
Now what people don’t know is that the canceled Zelda 64 also eventually released as Twilight Princess. In research I have done, I’ve come to the realization that nearly everything that got cut from Zelda 64 in its transition to Ocarina of Time had been repurposed in Twilight Princess including large plot elements, and even some nods to the fact that Ocarina of Time originally was a remake of Zelda II.
Ironic really as I see a lot of fans only complain about Twilight Princess and beg for Zelda 64 to still be released in some shape or form, even though that’s exactly what Twilight Princess is.
I need to play Twilight Princess still. I have Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask and the original 2 NES games for Gamecube or compatible Wii of course. I also have the original N64 versions too. Love these games, two of the best ever created.
What killed Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword was the graphics. It seemed, especially in Skyward Sword, the system was trying to push graphics to levels it couldn’t handle and the graphics were terrible. Maybe the HD converter for Wii would make this better. I’d like to get it anyways since I haven’t played Twilight Princess. I hope it makes a noticeable improvement.
dont worry, Nintendo will release it in another 10 years as an upgrade to the Nintendo Online service, which will run on buggy emulation, use an optional controller of which only 10 were made, and cost an additional 80 USD per year
The sad part is pirated emulators run better than what we got on switch...
That's why I still have my wii so I can play it. xD
Some guy: Please pronounce this word: Ocarina
This girl: "OCERINER"
So that's why the DD was only available via mail order? Makes more sense now.
I’ve been enjoying your gaming history videos lately and I’m really learning a lot keep up the great work
Lady Decade talking about Zelda?! Yes!
I swear Lady Decade has showed me more things u never knew about in retro gaming then almost all the other channels combined. Idk how she finds these things.
17:46 "I've always wanted to be a Skyrim adventurer like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee..." 😚
It's Master Quest. Code in the rom supports it, Nintendo's claims support it. Extra maps in the leaks were for early Majora's Mask and not Ura. It's been released since 2002. You can go home now. Sorry to disappoint. The only thing cut from MQ was a boss rush (found in the gigaleak) which was eventually added to Ocarina 3D anyway. You can find more info about this pinned in the #tcrf channel in The Cutting Room Floor Discord server, said info I will post here:
"Ura Zelda and Zelda X are different names for the same thing. Zelda X was an internal name, while Ura was the aimed release title (as you see with Master Quest in Japan). Ura Zelda (as I'll call it from here forward) was largely just a remixed Ocarina of Time. This was known because the only areas that we knew (at the time) that Retail Z64 tried calling from 64DD were dungeon maps.
Much of the misunderstanding about Ura Zelda comes from a few things.
1. Triforce Rumours. Everyone remembers them. Most of us probably hunted for them. It became a common rumour that Ura Zelda would unlock a way to get to the Triforce.
2. Zeth's Ura Zelda project. A bunch of people thought this was recovering existing assets and then THAT spread around.
3. Existing beta elements in the final rom (such as unfinished demo shots and cutscene areas) that were just off base enough from what we knew in the final to fan the flames.
Many of these things led a large amount of people to believe that Ura Zelda would be a full story and world expansion to Ocarina of Time.
As far as the Z2 Gaiden files in the OOT repo folders,
The Ura Zelda team split from people who didn't want to work on just more OOT and that became the Zelda Gaiden (Majora's Mask) team.
It's my opinion that most likely those were put in there by mistake. Maybe members who remained on both teams and accidentally pushed to the wrong repo."
Jep.
Fun fact they sell chinese bootleg versions of this in complete english for actual N64s and it even has the Master Quest label from the Gamecube version
🐢😀
After some wasted consideration, I found absolutely NOTHING fun about this fact. As a matter of fact, there's nothing even remotely grin-cracking about that fact. In the future, please choose your adjectives carefully, as reading your so-called fun fact turned out to be a major disappointment. Yeah... not even a chuckle... nothing!
I remember reading about this in magazines. MQ was fun, OoT was already a masterpiece. Excellent coverage of this chapter in the series
“Ocariner of Time: Masta Quest”
British makes a lot of sense...
You mean english and american something something
The standard English pronunciation underwent changes in the 18th-19th century, such as dropping "R's" in words like water (making it sound like "watah"), because it was becoming fashionable to do this at the time. This is why the British say words differently from how they're spelled today. According to historians, the standard American accent of today sounds more like the Queens English from the 1700s than the standard British accent (called received pronunciation) does.
Not trying to brag... I just find it interesting :)
DLC - Disk Loaded Content.
Oca-ree-ner? Hey I like to embrace madness too.
So I was laying on the floor playing Zelda OTT on the N64. So my 4 year old son came in and looked really interested and started playing with me. Now when he comes home from school he says he wants to defeat Ganon so we get further each day , up to Spirit temple at the moment and having a blast then found you're channel just today .😉 I can feel you're passion and enthusiasm which makes me smile . Keep playing and posting you are such a beautiful person .😃
Joe
That's actually really cool.
I actually played Zelda for the first time.I didn't understand it at first,but got used to it after awhile
Lmiao! Love you, sis! 💜
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it xx
This was so fun to watch!
Great video , i really like what you do !
I think it's a combination of working with time and resources (the game's development was delayed, leading to Miyamoto's famous but hit-or-miss quote on good games), and that the 'URA' tag sounds more mysterious than it needs to be. Game content gets trimmed out during development and often left in a folder somewhere on a server that will later hacked in 2020. :P
The old fighting game Battle Arena Toshinden 2 on the PSX got re-released on the Saturn as Battle Arena Toshinden URA (Ultimate Revenge Attack, neat). It's the same game except it has sweet extras like a fully-voiced story mode for each character (presented like a visual novel). So you're correct in suggesting that an URA moniker is basically a re-issued game with the DLC and ironed out design added on. Nintendo just kept dicking around with the cartridge vs CD format for too long.
Addendum: 'ura' translates to behind the scenes, in opposition to, hiding.
The most literal translation of "ura" would be "other side", "Ura Zelda" was probably just a place holder nickname, something like "Zelda Side B", I suspect if it had actually been released as planned it probably would have been as "Master Quest".
@@jacobmartens3810 There you go!
That was an interesting history lesson its nice to know we got something close to it with Master Quest.
Just discovered your channel. Great content and narration!
Just wanted you to know you were on my recommended list! and definitely earned a follow! Also followed on Twitch!
in a world full of male gamer youtubers you are a breath of fresh air.
Keep up the fantastic work lass and stay safe.
Can’t fault you! 🎩
Love from Brazil!
This was such a cool look at the lore and history of the game. Great work ✊🏼
The only carts bigger than ZELDA OOT that i seem to recall are Conkers BFD and RE2..both capped at a whooping 64MB cart size :D
"Spiderface" XD Anyway, another interesting investigation here! It's such a shame that we never got to see the 64DD be what it was intended to be.
Sweet docu!
I made a video about this on my channel 10 years ago and the new info that's come out since makes my head spin. The amount of research that went into putting all the pieces together at the time was a serious puzzle & full time jump, and it's been interesting to see what we got right, and what we got wrong. Sky temple for example, lol. Boy did it burn me out though.
Where did the idea of a sky temple originate from anyways?
How about a game where it's a _literal_ recreation of 'A Link To The Past", only with the "Ocarina of Time" engine.
I'd prefer the reverse.
Like how an 8-bit Breath of the Wild existed for a while?
I'm surprised nobody has done that.
New sub here. Came for the gravitas, stayed for the facts.
Awesome video!!!...
You go girl!!!...
I just recently got into the N64 and love it! Thanks for another great video Lady Decade!
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Awesome video
Amazing reviews to share your story about Zelda ocarina of time Ura Zelda. So much to discover in mysterious Zelda world
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Ocarina of Time was definitely my favourite game! Great video, nice to get the history and context about what was my favourite thing in the world as a kid. I remember reading about Ura Zelda and waiting for it, and also getting MasterQuest with Wind Waker but never played it, and that there was a lot of weird things about it all.
There were a few fact about this that I was previously unaware of, thank you very much for informing me. I've always enjoyed the videos that you have produced and I hope that you will continue for a long time.
Hi from Paraguay!! Great videos !!
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Zelda games are Gold👍🎮👍
Zelda on the Gameboy original and colour are still my favourites imo
Great game, great channel, super awesome host! Thanks for all your videos. Very well informed and always learn something new.
OOT's got one of the most fascinating development history I've ever heard, it's a gift that's still giving to this day. Your point near the end about assets labelled "DD" is interesting because I did wonder if Snowhead Temple in Majora's Mask, due to its Water Temple-like hub structure, could have been recycled from that originally planned ice temple.
The Majora's assets aren't for Ura. They're either the for the dungeons made in secret by Aonuma before they split to work on Majora or they're Majora maps that were accidentally pushed to the wrong repo by people working on both games. The final game in the code only calls for dungeon maps with the DD.
Interesting and captivating content...
Great vid thanks
What's an Orcariner? Is that like an Orc Mariner?
Ah, my favorite game, Ockareener of Time.
I feel like the history of this game and the information that is/was known has changed so much and is now just based off what miyamoto said ura Zelda was. I remeber when this game was in development and when the DD stuff was rumored. There was so much out there about new story lines, dungeons, outfits, abilities. I remember talking to friends in highschool about this stuff. All that seemed to vanish until the hack happened, and I was like "I heard about that 20+ years ago." So weird.
Damn good content!
I do fully believe that Ocarina of time was supposed to have more dungeons and even more items since that hack happened. I don’t believe anything Nintendo said regarding that master quest was ura Zelda and that’s it. It doesn’t make sense. That being said it I believe Nintendo said or shigeru once said that cut elements from ocarina like the extra dungeons were changed up and recycled in other Zelda games that came after it. I read about that once. There is even code in ocarina from the hack where you can combine the medallions with your arrows to give your arrows different effects but what exactly where those effects is unknown but there are some very good logical guess on what each one does. This is my opinion of course but I have seen some stuff regarding ura zelda and I what I believed to be true regarding it. Great video though. 👍
What hack are you talking about, and where can I get a copy? I'd personally think a hack that _restores_ this add on *and* finishes up what _all_ the game was meant to be SHOULD BE MADE.
I just had a thought; the program would have to be emulation only, due to the size restrictions of the cart ram...
there's also code for replacing OOT dungeon data files with DD data files, but not a whole lot else.
I'm with you on this. I remember when this game was in development and then after when the expansions were rumored, there was so much that this game was supposed to be. I remeber hearing about a white tunic and a yellow tunic, a true day/night cycle, different temples and plotlines. There was so much out there.
Every time this lady said Ocarineeerrrrrrr instead of Ocarina, a link died to a chicken attack.
Ocarina Of Time really needs a remake and be made the way Nintendo originally intended it.
So, instead of releasing an add on for OOT (and getting paid once for it), the Greed Lords at Nintendo split it up into several games, thereby multiplying their revenue. How unsurprising of them...
it wasn't, URA is just MQ
@@evdestroy4121 I agree...partially. My takeaway was they moved items & enemies around, and made them harder to kill in MQ. But some of it came out as MM, with the rest distributed elsewhere. It's a lot easier to produce content for "new" games when certain percentages of it are just pasted in.
@@MAGA_Patriot2024 It's not that simple. Aonuma didn't want to just remix dungeons and call it there. (Enemies aren't more difficult to kill in MQ)
So Miyamoto gave him a 1 year time limit to make his own work using Zelda 64 as a base, leading to Majora's Mask. Also MQ was never released as a standalone game. It was a bonus to Wind Waker. This is the opposite of greed. Nowadays I'm sure a similar package would be sold for 30 dollars as an "All Star" pack or some such.
Every copy of URA Zelda is personalized, which is why it was never released. lol
Congratulations URA ZELDA NOW!
I like how you say it “ocarinar”
5:22 yes they could have gotten it to work if they had have the n64 dd load motion data into ram or a internal storage to access faster, it just would have costed more
I ended up with a ROM of Master Quest on a N64 flash cart. It's odd because the buttons on screen are still Gamecube but it plays perfectly fine on the N64. I quite enjoyed playing it. It's a bit like playing an official ROM hack.
It's because it's just an N64 rom running on an emulator. Very impressive for its time for it to be running as well as it does.
Quality Zelda, my lady.
I loved my GameCube bonus disc with the original and master quest. Played it more than wind waker.
On a side note it still amazes me resident evil 2 came to n64 on a 64mb cart and they fit it all in from disc
Wonder why wind water was amazing i played them both love it
I always felt like the Wind Temple in WW felt like it was an idea intended for an earlier game. Hard to pinpoint why that is, except that the design of the place and the music both reminded me of OOT specifically. I'm really interested in stuff like this, like how Chrono Trigger got several bosses and areas that were probably cut from Secret of Mana.
Nice video
But, Iwata-san, I can play four Zelda games on one disc half the size of a normal CD!
I think Twilight Princess is what Nintendo wanted Ocarina of Time to be, obviously they didn't intend OOT to have wolf link or the twilight but I think the epicness and scale of TP is what they wanted for OOT. That's part of the reason I think TP was made.
I don't care what anyone says. From now on it will be: Occariner of Toime!
Hahahahaha
I love playing it at hoem!
ura has been known for years. if nintendo do decide to do a remaster of zelda oot they need to add all of the unused content & add ura & put it on the switch.
I agree; they should reimplement the add on *and* finish what the _whole thing_ was meant to be.
Seeing Satoru Iwata... still brings a tear to my eye... 😢 RIP, gamer-san.
A great and interesting video to one of the best games ever made 👍
You're like the Robin Leach of retro game content. Nice.
Oh shit, a new video !
Something very awesome💎
Isn't it interesting how Carts came back sd cards can hold alot of memory
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Next up: Early OoT concepts that were scrapped or removed!
Please talk about Wind arrows.
64DD wasn't called the disk drive, but was called the dynamic drive.
A read along? Church practice? Top hat punishment? Interesting
The Nintendo disc drive never being released in North America was my biggest childhood disappointment. I kinda still want to buy one on eBay to try and heal the wound left by it’s absence.😢
Whow you've done your homework there a lady decade, keep up good work 👍.
Intellectual british lady; thanks for a great video !
this video has a huge 2014 feeling
I can't believe we could have gotten an ice and wind temple, too... ;-;
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@@LadyDecade nice vid. No news for me, but good flow and was nice watching
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i love how british people say oh kah reener awf time. It never gets old
Small ice dungeons in ocarina of time to get steel boots
I love Ocarina of Time and Majora’s Mask equally. I first started playing on NES when the first Legend of Zelda came out. I’ve played a majority of Zelda games through except about 5 of them. I haven’t got through Phantom Hourglass, Spirit tracks, Minish Cap, Four Swords or Twilight Princess. I’m pretty far into Spirit tacks and almost through Minish Cap though. Absolutely amazing games one of the best sagas on gaming history.
I've been playing the first few seconds on a loop for a while now
Just to hear about the great legend of the OcarinER of time!
All time clasic!
2:47 Lincoln Loud capturado en cámara 100% no fake. Lincoln Loud camera captured
Or maybe Myjamoto just lied to us. We will never find out
"picture perfect" xD
"Ocarina Rof Time"
I think the secret lies under Dark Link , or Shadow Link , which is his own entity ! I think 🤔. Idk
In other news.... I got a Zelda Game and Watch. I f@#%!×g love it.
I"m glad for 1 that N64 didn't had cd'dvd's. Cartridges are soooooo much faster.
Also way more durable.
"Ocariner of time" 😂😂😂