I live in New York and am part of several Facebook hunting groups for New York and Pennsylvania. Honestly I think you guys highly under estimate the amount of people who want to go to the woods and just kill any deer and have some meat from it. These groups are all between 50k and 100k and it seems to be the general take from them is what I said above. With that said I primarily bow hunt all year and have the same feelings as both of you!
Maybe! I am proud that Pennsylvania still shoots more does than bucks which means they are thinking about meat! I’m about to make 12 pounds of Better Backstrap venison sausage this weekend
I was getting a ton of mature bucks on camera from November 27th through December 2rd, all cruising or pushing a hot doe. But everything has shut off since. I also saw a large mature buck following a doe in a field at 4:30 while driving to a jobsite in North Central Kansas.
I’d argue that it’d be easier to sit over bait or a food plot w a trad bow than it’d be to hunt big woods/public w a crossbow. Love the podcast & I don’t get offended by the crossbow hate, it cracks me up
I think Jeremy is right on with his comments about compound bow recruitment in the early days. In our camp in Virginia me my 2 best friends, my dad and my uncle all started bow hunting after being gun hunters. My dad and my uncle started deer hunting with gun only in the 60's and me and my friends started gun hunting deer in the 70's as pre teens. Then in the 80's we all started bow hunting within a few years of each other with my uncle being the first around 82 or 83. I remember checking in my first bow kill in 86 or 87 and the old guy at the local check station looked at me like I was an alien as he didn't even know what bow season was. We checked in a deer or 3 every year for many years before we ever saw anyone else in our county check another bow kill. It's amazing to see the growth of this sport over the years and it's hard to believe that we are losing hunters as it seems there are more hunters now than ever? #huntr
I deer hunt for a few reasons. One is I just enjoy the outdoors. Another is my family and I prefer deer meat to anything I can buy at the store. I have always shot the first legal deer I got a shot at and because of this I hunted 17 years before I killed a buck. I have killed some nice bucks but they were always the first legal deer to give me a shot. I appreciate big deer but if i dont kill another one Im happy. Im just as happy when I kill a doe as I am a buck.
The access thing was an issue here in the golden triangle about 20-25 years ago. Here in brown, schuyler, adams, pike, outfitters and leasing put a lot of locals out of place starting in the 90's. I'm blessed my parents, aunts and uncles, and grandparents bought land back in the 80's and 90's or id only be able to maybe afford a lease, and not do anything extra. Im 36 and grew up with tons of bow hunters because there were a lot of permission. Now days my kids friends that bow hunt are fortunate people like us who's grandparents bought land. Illinois regulations have sucked for quite a while. I've been saying 1 buck state for years.
Was wondering if harvest numbers have increased for the states that have allowed crossbows over the last few years? I live in Missouri and heavenly heard if harvest totals have went up since crossbows
@@cbs196 they don’t. ARCHERY harvest totals don’t even see that much of a spike, but the ratio of crossbow kills to vertical bow kills goes up. Harvest totals generally stay pretty steady, and may even decline proportional with the influx of additional hunters during archery seasons creating high pressure situations on tracts.
Great show very interesting. I almost always hunt 98% with my Mathews VXR, but I still take out my old Tenpoint couple times a year, mostly during gun seasons. Or if it’s like 0’degs. Need to sell Tenpoint so I can’t take it out. Xbow to me is like Cocaine. I’ve shot a lot of bucks with recurves, but I don’t take out recurve anymore, yet!
We only had gun camps by my house years ago before Xbow’s. Now we have Xbow camps. But I don’t (think???) I’m seeing an impact on our deer herd? Maybe deer tad more scared during bow season. But I think I’m seeing less gun hunters? And I wonder if gun hunters either burning their vacation with Xbow’s during bow season, or filling their tags early?
@ Northern Michigan. 100,000’s acres of public land. Very hard area to kill a big buck. We don’t have the minerals in soil. Lots of sand. 140” is huge buck around my area. I’ve shot for 100% sure 4-1/2 year old bucks that score 110”. 100% sure 4-1/2 because grew up basically in my yard. Shot 7-1/2 year old that scores 130”. Some can get old because land is so vast so much cover. Big big woods. Some areas 7-8-10 miles between houses in certain directions. Super smart deer I’m guessing bred in from being hunted so hard for last 70/80 years. Old public land does around here are brutal smart. Deer walk around looking up into trees constantly.
I like how they act like a 30 yard shot with a bow is a hard shot😂 unless you never shoot your bow ever that is a routine shot... compounds shoot 300+fps.. 30 yards is nothing.
Early compound bows in the 1970s and early 80s where very primitive and almost as hard to shoot as recurves and long bows.modern archery equipment is way easier to master than 1970 era compunds.
Is it just me or do the crossbow guys seem real defensive all the time. Sensitive dudes. Definitely just doing legal and ethical stuff. Not ashamed of themselves at all
I find it somewhat hypocritical that you guys have a semi-purist hunting mentality by throwing shade at crossbows, saddles, and even firearms, considering you both run trail cameras and plant fancy, elaborate food plots. There are plenty of arguments to be made about why those things make it "too easy" or could be seen as "cheating". Why not just be happy for hunters, however they choose to do so, as long as it is legal and ethical?
I know I switched to the JX3 hybrid saddle this season and love it doubt I ever hunt any other kind of stand again so when they throw shade on saddle hunters it makes me laugh cut it shows they don’t know what they don’t know
@cbs196 Me either. I am a compound bow hunter who does not plant food plots or use trail cameras, but I have no problem with anyone who wants to utilize those tools.
Man this has been heavy on my mind the past few days. I have heard people just in regular life talk shit about feeders but brag about food plots and I was confused to what the difference really was. And someone can’t say oh you just set up over a feeder when pretty much everyone I know sets up to kill one when it would be on its way to or from the food. So I’m glad to see someone else being it up. Maybe we’re the idiots lol. I don’t know. I’m sure the food plot people have their argument but honestly I don’t really see the difference. Ultimately you’re doing the same thing. I’m with you.
@@PlumbingArkansas I agree food plots or corn pile either one take the challenge out of it but at the same time I’m not going to mouth about how other people hunt either way I would just rather do it the hard way
How many acres does Brackett hunt? 3k acres? There are alot of guys in each state who have the right connections and the right personality, and sow up thousands of acres. Pushes more people into a more confined area. Now mix in the guys that have 20, 40 acre permission pieces to themselves. Alot of "greedy" hunters that hord land. Not ripping on brackets at all, just am example, being as he states the number himself
I can't even stay focused on the conversation because one of you guys obviously has a sinus infection or some sort of bronchitis. The clearing of the nasal passages or whatever you're doing makes it unbearable to listen to because I'm constantly about to gag listening to your sinus clearing. I'm a big fan and love the show but take some damn Mucinex or some dayquil or something for Christ's sake. Sorry to put it like this but there's been several episodes that are exactly like this. Please either reschedule or take some sort of symptom relieving medicine.
@@HUNTRPOD there's several videos. This one is mild. Love to guys and would love to continue will your not only entertaining but educational podcasts. Not trying to ne a bad guy just being honest. Sorry.
Michigan sucks!!! We need some serious change!! Us hunters need to come together and figure this crap out. The DNR don't give a crap, all they care about is money!!!
@@HUNTRPOD no, they are about as corrupt and backwards thinking as the DNR, they tell the DNR how high to jump, good ol boys club in Michigan at that level and has been for decades
You guys are so out of touch with your takes sometimes it’s crazy. Some people just want to take a deer for meat. Some places you can’t kill does with a gun. Some people only have a few acres of non tilliable land and baiting with corn is the only way to pull in deer. The doom and gloom and elitist mindset is beginning to happen every episode.
@ Lol no I clearly hear what you all talk about. Just because you preface every statement with “do whatever you want” or “not that there’s anything wrong with that” and then go into everything that’s wrong with that and how hunting is getting worse because of it, doesn’t make it sound less elitist. Also zone 4 in Kentucky is buck only with a gun. Oh and it’s only 1 doe period. Can’t even use your buck tag and kill a second doe.
It seems Jared is a little bit of a privileged millennial hunter who really hasn't had to work for a good hunting spot that wasn't given to him by his family.....
If it were not for Bowmar letting Jarod hunt he would not have killed a 187, i also bet if Bowmar knew that deer was 187 he would have said that deer was off limits. Riding the coat tails of others and acting like he knows more about deer than most. Jarod will eventually be the reason your podcast eventually fails. Mark my words. Many guys i know like the podcast but all say the same thing about Jarod
I disagree with your assessment of Jarod. To me he just comes off as someone that loves to hunt big whitetail deer. If you follow this podcast, you have to know how much time and effort these guys put into their whitetail addiction.
You all just need to throw the cameras in a box a couple of years and just go out and hunt and see what comes. I hate (and I choose that word wisely)all the shooter buck talk just shoot what makes you happy. It’s getting hard to watch most hunting podcasts any more it’s not for normal people. Im 68 and been hunting since I was 6 with a bow. I spent well over 200 hours in a stand this year not having a clue what was out there but just enjoying nature. Just my opinion 🦌🏹⛺️⛰️
People like you know who aren't helping the problem when they buy up the property cheap and try charging way over market value for it. I know its capitalism but it is a huge part of the problem..People will do anything and everything these days to make a extra buck. Don't even get me started on the outfitters which started this whole problem..
You are absolutely crazy saying the leap from traditional bows to compound bows is analogous to the leap from compound bows to crossbows. You both are seasoned hunters, how are you missing the mark here. With both traditional and compound bows you yourself are the rest, it is up to you to be as steady as you possibly can and to release each arrow perfectly. With a cross bow i can just rest it like a rifle on my treestand rail and it’s literally a short range gun. No deer is ducking a 400+fps arrow, archery season and muzzleloader season are supposed to resemble primitive weapons. I concede that a compound is much easier that a traditional lets say its 2x easier. A crossbow is 10x easier to use than a compound and therefore 20x easier than a traditional. I will die on this freaking hill, crossbows should go back to elderly and disabled. You know why you see young able bodied dudes yelling in the comments? Its because they feel insecure about using one, they know its a cop out, they know they cant call themselves bow hunters. They know its wrong to include it in archery season, and so they get up in arms.
I live in New York and am part of several Facebook hunting groups for New York and Pennsylvania. Honestly I think you guys highly under estimate the amount of people who want to go to the woods and just kill any deer and have some meat from it. These groups are all between 50k and 100k and it seems to be the general take from them is what I said above. With that said I primarily bow hunt all year and have the same feelings as both of you!
Maybe! I am proud that Pennsylvania still shoots more does than bucks which means they are thinking about meat! I’m about to make 12 pounds of Better Backstrap venison sausage this weekend
@@HUNTRPOD That sounds like a good weekend to me!
58:08 Lotta deer here 😂😂 classic
I was getting a ton of mature bucks on camera from November 27th through December 2rd, all cruising or pushing a hot doe. But everything has shut off since. I also saw a large mature buck following a doe in a field at 4:30 while driving to a jobsite in North Central Kansas.
I’d argue that it’d be easier to sit over bait or a food plot w a trad bow than it’d be to hunt big woods/public w a crossbow. Love the podcast & I don’t get offended by the crossbow hate, it cracks me up
I think Jeremy is right on with his comments about compound bow recruitment in the early days. In our camp in Virginia me my 2 best friends, my dad and my uncle all started bow hunting after being gun hunters. My dad and my uncle started deer hunting with gun only in the 60's and me and my friends started gun hunting deer in the 70's as pre teens. Then in the 80's we all started bow hunting within a few years of each other with my uncle being the first around 82 or 83. I remember checking in my first bow kill in 86 or 87 and the old guy at the local check station looked at me like I was an alien as he didn't even know what bow season was. We checked in a deer or 3 every year for many years before we ever saw anyone else in our county check another bow kill. It's amazing to see the growth of this sport over the years and it's hard to believe that we are losing hunters as it seems there are more hunters now than ever? #huntr
If jared just keeps bowmar as a friend, then he doesn't need to worry about other people killing his deer. Im sure Josh will set you up every year.
I think this podcast should have a big buck contest and whoever wins get some gear and be a guest on the show.
I deer hunt for a few reasons. One is I just enjoy the outdoors. Another is my family and I prefer deer meat to anything I can buy at the store. I have always shot the first legal deer I got a shot at and because of this I hunted 17 years before I killed a buck. I have killed some nice bucks but they were always the first legal deer to give me a shot. I appreciate big deer but if i dont kill another one Im happy. Im just as happy when I kill a doe as I am a buck.
You are one in a few thousand..
The access thing was an issue here in the golden triangle about 20-25 years ago. Here in brown, schuyler, adams, pike, outfitters and leasing put a lot of locals out of place starting in the 90's. I'm blessed my parents, aunts and uncles, and grandparents bought land back in the 80's and 90's or id only be able to maybe afford a lease, and not do anything extra. Im 36 and grew up with tons of bow hunters because there were a lot of permission. Now days my kids friends that bow hunt are fortunate people like us who's grandparents bought land. Illinois regulations have sucked for quite a while. I've been saying 1 buck state for years.
Was wondering if harvest numbers have increased for the states that have allowed crossbows over the last few years? I live in Missouri and heavenly heard if harvest totals have went up since crossbows
The percentage of deer harvested with a bow (crossbow included) has overtaken gun kills in a lot of states.
Well in Missouri it’s far from that 2023 firearms was 240,000 and archery was 50,000
What states have more archery kills than firearms?
@@cbs196 Ohio… dam.assets.ohio.gov/image/upload/ohiodnr.gov/documents/wildlife/wildlife-management/Pub_5304_2023_Final.pdf
@@cbs196 they don’t. ARCHERY harvest totals don’t even see that much of a spike, but the ratio of crossbow kills to vertical bow kills goes up. Harvest totals generally stay pretty steady, and may even decline proportional with the influx of additional hunters during archery seasons creating high pressure situations on tracts.
Great show very interesting. I almost always hunt 98% with my Mathews VXR, but I still take out my old Tenpoint couple times a year, mostly during gun seasons. Or if it’s like 0’degs. Need to sell Tenpoint so I can’t take it out. Xbow to me is like Cocaine. I’ve shot a lot of bucks with recurves, but I don’t take out recurve anymore, yet!
We only had gun camps by my house years ago before Xbow’s. Now we have Xbow camps. But I don’t (think???) I’m seeing an impact on our deer herd? Maybe deer tad more scared during bow season. But I think I’m seeing less gun hunters? And I wonder if gun hunters either burning their vacation with Xbow’s during bow season, or filling their tags early?
Oh very interesting! What state is that
@ Northern Michigan. 100,000’s acres of public land. Very hard area to kill a big buck. We don’t have the minerals in soil. Lots of sand. 140” is huge buck around my area. I’ve shot for 100% sure 4-1/2 year old bucks that score 110”. 100% sure 4-1/2 because grew up basically in my yard. Shot 7-1/2 year old that scores 130”. Some can get old because land is so vast so much cover. Big big woods. Some areas 7-8-10 miles between houses in certain directions. Super smart deer I’m guessing bred in from being hunted so hard for last 70/80 years. Old public land does around here are brutal smart. Deer walk around looking up into trees constantly.
Just curious. How many acres is your illinois lease?
We don’t have a lease, own 144 acres
Hey, I was just wanting to know what your theme song at the end is. My boyfriend and I love to watch your podcasts.
Big antlers is the only reason. All lot of people will do anything and pay any amount to get a big set of antlers.
Facts
Our state took it one step farther you're not allowed to hunt with more than three guys or it's considered a drive
"muzzleloader was in truck" says the typical crossbow hater. buahaha
I like how they act like a 30 yard shot with a bow is a hard shot😂 unless you never shoot your bow ever that is a routine shot... compounds shoot 300+fps.. 30 yards is nothing.
Early compound bows in the 1970s and early 80s where very primitive and almost as hard to shoot as recurves and long bows.modern archery equipment is way easier to master than 1970 era compunds.
Is it just me or do the crossbow guys seem real defensive all the time. Sensitive dudes. Definitely just doing legal and ethical stuff. Not ashamed of themselves at all
Because they know it's not bow hunting, and sit down to piss.
Crossbow guy here. It honestly just makes me smile or laugh when I see people hating on crossbows. I don’t take offense to it at all
Jared can't attribute that 187 to his hunting ability. Beautiful buck though.
I find it somewhat hypocritical that you guys have a semi-purist hunting mentality by throwing shade at crossbows, saddles, and even firearms, considering you both run trail cameras and plant fancy, elaborate food plots. There are plenty of arguments to be made about why those things make it "too easy" or could be seen as "cheating". Why not just be happy for hunters, however they choose to do so, as long as it is legal and ethical?
I know I switched to the JX3 hybrid saddle this season and love it doubt I ever hunt any other kind of stand again so when they throw shade on saddle hunters it makes me laugh cut it shows they don’t know what they don’t know
And about the food plots it definitely makes it a lot less of a challenge which is why I choose not to plant food plots
@cbs196 Me either. I am a compound bow hunter who does not plant food plots or use trail cameras, but I have no problem with anyone who wants to utilize those tools.
Man this has been heavy on my mind the past few days. I have heard people just in regular life talk shit about feeders but brag about food plots and I was confused to what the difference really was. And someone can’t say oh you just set up over a feeder when pretty much everyone I know sets up to kill one when it would be on its way to or from the food. So I’m glad to see someone else being it up. Maybe we’re the idiots lol. I don’t know. I’m sure the food plot people have their argument but honestly I don’t really see the difference. Ultimately you’re doing the same thing. I’m with you.
@@PlumbingArkansas I agree food plots or corn pile either one take the challenge out of it but at the same time I’m not going to mouth about how other people hunt either way I would just rather do it the hard way
How many acres does Brackett hunt? 3k acres? There are alot of guys in each state who have the right connections and the right personality, and sow up thousands of acres. Pushes more people into a more confined area. Now mix in the guys that have 20, 40 acre permission pieces to themselves. Alot of "greedy" hunters that hord land. Not ripping on brackets at all, just am example, being as he states the number himself
Either I’m an asshole too or I have no idea why there is so much hate in these comments 😂
lol just means we are talking about the right shit
@@HUNTRPOD Keep it up!
I can't even stay focused on the conversation because one of you guys obviously has a sinus infection or some sort of bronchitis. The clearing of the nasal passages or whatever you're doing makes it unbearable to listen to because I'm constantly about to gag listening to your sinus clearing. I'm a big fan and love the show but take some damn Mucinex or some dayquil or something for Christ's sake. Sorry to put it like this but there's been several episodes that are exactly like this. Please either reschedule or take some sort of symptom relieving medicine.
Good, I'm not the only one!
lol apparently didn’t realize this
@@HUNTRPOD there's several videos. This one is mild. Love to guys and would love to continue will your not only entertaining but educational podcasts. Not trying to ne a bad guy just being honest. Sorry.
Michigan sucks!!! We need some serious change!! Us hunters need to come together and figure this crap out. The DNR don't give a crap, all they care about is money!!!
You sir are correct! Live Michigan my whole life. Now own land in Missouri to hunt.
Are you guys part of MUCC?
@HUNTRPOD yes, I actually am.
@@HUNTRPOD no, they are about as corrupt and backwards thinking as the DNR, they tell the DNR how high to jump, good ol boys club in Michigan at that level and has been for decades
You guys are so out of touch with your takes sometimes it’s crazy. Some people just want to take a deer for meat. Some places you can’t kill does with a gun. Some people only have a few acres of non tilliable land and baiting with corn is the only way to pull in deer. The doom and gloom and elitist mindset is beginning to happen every episode.
lol clearly you here what you want. Curious where are you that you can’t shoot a doe with a gun?
@ Lol no I clearly hear what you all talk about. Just because you preface every statement with “do whatever you want” or “not that there’s anything wrong with that” and then go into everything that’s wrong with that and how hunting is getting worse because of it, doesn’t make it sound less elitist. Also zone 4 in Kentucky is buck only with a gun. Oh and it’s only 1 doe period. Can’t even use your buck tag and kill a second doe.
It seems Jared is a little bit of a privileged millennial hunter who really hasn't had to work for a good hunting spot that wasn't given to him by his family.....
If it were not for Bowmar letting Jarod hunt he would not have killed a 187, i also bet if Bowmar knew that deer was 187 he would have said that deer was off limits. Riding the coat tails of others and acting like he knows more about deer than most. Jarod will eventually be the reason your podcast eventually fails. Mark my words. Many guys i know like the podcast but all say the same thing about Jarod
I disagree with your assessment of Jarod. To me he just comes off as someone that loves to hunt big whitetail deer. If you follow this podcast, you have to know how much time and effort these guys put into their whitetail addiction.
You all just need to throw the cameras in a box a couple of years and just go out and hunt and see what comes. I hate (and I choose that word wisely)all the shooter buck talk just shoot what makes you happy. It’s getting hard to watch most hunting podcasts any more it’s not for normal people. Im 68 and been hunting since I was 6 with a bow. I spent well over 200 hours in a stand this year not having a clue what was out there but just enjoying nature. Just my opinion 🦌🏹⛺️⛰️
People like you know who aren't helping the problem when they buy up the property cheap and try charging way over market value for it. I know its capitalism but it is a huge part of the problem..People will do anything and everything these days to make a extra buck. Don't even get me started on the outfitters which started this whole problem..
lol
I had to re read that as I thought you were saying us 😂
Agree
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You are absolutely crazy saying the leap from traditional bows to compound bows is analogous to the leap from compound bows to crossbows. You both are seasoned hunters, how are you missing the mark here. With both traditional and compound bows you yourself are the rest, it is up to you to be as steady as you possibly can and to release each arrow perfectly. With a cross bow i can just rest it like a rifle on my treestand rail and it’s literally a short range gun. No deer is ducking a 400+fps arrow, archery season and muzzleloader season are supposed to resemble primitive weapons. I concede that a compound is much easier that a traditional lets say its 2x easier. A crossbow is 10x easier to use than a compound and therefore 20x easier than a traditional. I will die on this freaking hill, crossbows should go back to elderly and disabled. You know why you see young able bodied dudes yelling in the comments? Its because they feel insecure about using one, they know its a cop out, they know they cant call themselves bow hunters. They know its wrong to include it in archery season, and so they get up in arms.
If deer didn't grow antlers nobody would be interested in hunting them. At least wouldn't be spending money on them.
Agree