I’m a huge fan of the idea that sister location occurs during/around the same time as fnaf 1 and 2 as it fits nicely with Williams character and motivations, but theories like “Micheal is the protagonist of fnaf 1/2” would not work with this time line as Micheal would have to be in two places at once for some of the nights
Well, I said that Circus Baby's was made after 2, and then the sister location nights happen after 1 closes but right before William is springlocked so it doesn't contradict him being there at all.
@@siresquawks if the theory that Micheal is Mike and Fritz from fnaf 1 and 2 then Fritz being fired for odor would imply that his death in sister location has to be before fnaf 2. though the jury is out on if that is actually true so it might not work.
@@transgamergirl5004 I did consider that it's been on my mind and I've gone back and forth on it a lot. I'm both unsure of this would overwrite my theory or if Fritz is Mike, and if either matter, and honestly that's a topic intricate enough for a later video. I've got one in my back pocket right now I've been tinkering with and I might squeeze that in there.
@@siresquawks I'm definitely interested in the theory. Though you could say I'm a bit more casual never played a fnaf game just got interested in the story so i could have missed something easily :D if i remember though fnaf 2 was the "Grand Reopening" so is it possible that the time mike has ennard in him is during jeremey's time in fnaf 2 then mike works that last day in the game?
Just trying me two cents. Uh about that Odor thing. It’s might not be as important as some people think. My explanation is mostly from Help Wanted and the secret Tapes. In one of them, Tape Girl let’s us know about what Companies like to do to fire people. You know when a Company gonna fire someone they will tend to actually make stuff up or list off certain things that shouldn’t really warrant as major offenses. Case in point if an Employee does or see something they shouldn’t have. It’s possible for Mike and Fritz they didn’t really have any odor. The company probably just wanted them gone really bad cause of something. Rather that something is them messing with the animatronics or because they saw something. Just my idea of what the Odor problem was.
I think you're right, and it had to happen just after FNaF 2. William is going to jail after MCI 2, but he manages to tell Michael where Elizabeth/Baby is, so she's not just rotting away in a bunker or completely scrapped for parts by uncaring technicians. If he can't restore her, he at least wants Elizabeth to be free. "The Michael has to be dead in Fnaf 2 because 'odor' is a reason he's fired" always seemed like one of the weakest pieces of evidence fan timelines.
Odor probably means he tampered with the suits that had dead bodies on them? Idk but I don't think Michael just goes to places when he's literally a walking corpse. It just doesn't make sense for businesses to hire someone that looks physically mangled to do a security job.
Along with that, Tape Girl in Fnaf Help Wanted said you can tell when a company is getting ready to fire someone, even sometimes making up reasons to fire someone. So in my opinion, I think the fnaf 1’s fire slip was literal while the second fire slip was random ideas.
10:14 To add to this, he uses the exact tactic in the book specifically to avoid being attacked. Tricking the protagonists into putting on the Springbonnie head on him whilst he's tied up so that he's ‘one of them’.
Here's the thing. William knew about remnant and posession. And when he ran for the springbonnie suit...he wasn't scared or forced. He had a determined smile on his face before getting into the suit. He knew he was going to die because an old springbonnie suit that is moistened by the rain leaking into the building? William is no idiot. He knew he was going to die. And he knew he was gonna come back. And he loves his new body. I think it's different in the games here because the spirits saw and know what he looked like there.
In all honesty it makes much more sense for sister locations events to happen after the missing children's incident considering that that's the only other place that shuts down and it would still be considered massively popular
I think the survival logbook might have been made by the Fazbear Frights staff for visitors as when phone dude says that you get to play the role of the 'security guard!' He seems hyped about it like there's evidence of that role being key to the popular versions of the stories the phone dude had heard about the old pizzarias (either the bite of '87 or the later retcon/idea of there being in-universe games which probably started the haunting rumours surroinding the pizzarias). Mike probably picked one up out of curiosity to see what they got right and wrong and ended up doodling and using the book as we see it in our real life versions. The biggest indicator to me that it could be made by Fazbear Frights is the title, 'Survival Logbook'. If it is called that in-universe, and we have no reason to think otherwise, it sounds like the kind of title a horror attraction would use; something for kids who go through the attraction to take away and fill out after their tour.
oooo i love this topic, this is by far one of the trickiest dates when sl: you asked when the logbook is, its really hard to say when, but its most likley either given on his fnaf 1 shift or during fnaf 3. if we make the assumptions that mike is the protagonist of fnaf 4, the nightmares happen at night, and the nightmares are somewhat inspired by fnaf 1(see backwards fnaf 4 phone guy message), then that means fnaf 4 cant take place at the same time as fnaf 1 unless the nightmares are happening in the day, placing fnaf 4 after fnaf 1 when mike was fired, and mike couldnt have gotten a company logbook after he was fired + mike drew nightmare fredbear, meaning altogether the logbook had to have been after fnaf 4 which is after fnaf 1 given to him presumably as a nightguard working in fnaf 3 as probably to make it authentic, but then again some double counter points would be why mike says coupons in the book really work, the sticky note guy talking about not using the suits anymore(although phone dude couldve known itd be weird for him to act), the book was given to us so that means a new nightguard followed mike, which wouldnt be possible if the building mike worked at burned. in summary the logbook happens either during fnaf 1 or 3. However this only dates the logbook and only shows sL in relation to when he got the book timeline wise. So either before fnaf 3 or before fnaf 1. Mike does say his father went missing, most likley due to becoming springtrap. However when did springtrap die? The place he dies at looks abandoned and closed, and william destroys all the animatronics making it seem unlikley to be before fnaf 1. but at the same time phone guy has to be alive when they seal the backroom with springtrap shut placing it before fnaf 1 at the same time. Either its after fnaf 1 and the wall sealed was opened and resealed after it was closed, or it takes place before fnaf 1, purple guy was a previous guard, and the animatronics got repaired shortly after he dismantled them. So when mike says his father was missing, he was going to come find him either during fnaf 1 or after working at fnaf 1 in fnaf 3. Could the tech settle when the game takes place? it is pretty nice after all. well it doesnt matter when we play the game, whether it be in the far future in fnaf 3 or in the early 90s of fnaf 1, these were built by william afton when he was alive, and he died either before or after fnaf 1, placing the events of sister location either before fnaf 1 or after fnaf 1. Conclusion: i trick u, i dont make one here when circus baby pizza world: Alright maybe the springlock suit would give an answer. Firstly, spring suits were decommissioned around the time of the mci, as phone guy says someone is using the springbonnie suit when he reminds the employees not to. This means Circus baby's pizza world happens maybe around 83-85 if this spring suit is in use. Hold on a min, is this really a spring suit however? it is wearable, but the windup cranks are on the inside, the spring suits are wound on the outside, so could it even help at all? Although the quote does talk about success at freddy's it also talks about the closing of freddy's which could mean its refering to fnaf 1. "Due to the massive success and even more-so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, it was clear that the stage was set - no pun intended - for another contender in children’s entertainment." which talks about the unfortunate closing of Freddy's. Fnaf 1 did have an unfortunate closing, but so did fnaf 2 and the old fnaf 1 building during the mci, placing sister location either after the mci, after fnaf 2, or after fnaf 1. All resturants had some form of massive success as one was the original popular freddys which was super old, which could date the pizza world location far back in time, fnaf 2 was short lived but marketed as the NEW freddys, and fnaf 1 which was the most long lasting and stable but was barley hanging on and eventually closed. Here are all the possible timeline placements that also work: -pizza world somewhere between 83 to 87 -sister location somewhere between 87 to 2023 Why william go into springbonnie? My headcannon is, they cant stuff you in a suit if you're already in one. Just elaborating, i would say this comment would help shed light on the date but i did the exact opposite here
I never thought about the suit thing. I always thought afton put on the suit to terrify the kids and bring up their trauma but what you’ve said actually makes a lot of sense
It's always odd to me that people dismiss the 'entertainment' part of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals. Sure, it's apparently a bunker beneath a version of William's house, but the animatronics clearly have stages and as we crawl along their halls, they have the same checkered layout as a party room from the older games. To me, this implies that while you can rent an animatronic to show up to your own party, there are, or were, also parties taking place at this location. Maybe not a huge detail, but still not something I ever see brought up when discussing Sister Location
William was “dead” long before FNAF3 takes place, remember? He was sealed up for an unknown amount of years, so William’s demise doesn’t have to be an issue for the timeline.
@@samuelviden7412 no. The animatronics were reused, it’s never implied they reused the building. It’s sometimes fannon that it is, but all that’s stated by the ceo in Fnaf 2 that they will reopen on a smaller budget. The location is never mentioned. Fnaf 1 is a distinct location as far as we know.
@@samuelviden7412 How does FNAF 1 have the refurbished Withereds from 2 if they've already been gutted for Remnant PRIOR to 1, and are still haunted as shit? And how would Sister Location be placed if it's PRIOR to FNAF 2 or so?
@@siresquawks I would argue the existence of a safe room inside that location combined with the “vintage training casettes” found there implies its at least a previous location as why would they build a safe room long after the springlock animatronics were decomissioned.
I always interpreted sister location as having been made in 1987 alongside the FNAF 2 building. That way, being the follow up to a successful restaurant makes sense. And so the interview with Afton in the beginning of the game is before the opening day. Then it was closed down for years after Elizabeth died. And by the time Mike is in SL, William is already in the suit.
On the note of the logbook... Don't forget the fact that "Fazbear Frights" is just an old Freddy's (or Fredbears?) Location turned into an attraction, in the future! the logbook shows the place in mint condition so it has to be somewhere between the two in the timeline there, I think. Then FNAF 3 happens as we know in the late future.
@@siresquawks Double-checking, the newspaper states it's a replica attraction in the middle of an Amusement Park Swore it was here too, but evidently mixed it up with other locations...
1:54 given the fact that the Fazbear Frights location was built using as many repurposed elements from Fazbear Entertainment-related locations, maybe the reason we’re seeing the FNAF 3 office in the logbook is a coincidence and it used to be the office to another closed-down location? like, I have no idea if that would help or hurt your argument here. I’d just always assumed they repurposed as much as possible and that that included actual pieces of the buildings. edit: as Higuera mentioned, Fazbear Frights is a walk-through attraction and not a full-on restaurant. however, that does make me wonder if it wasn't modeled after or built using the blueprints from a real location.
Except, as mentioned in Night 1 and the newspaper, it's a walk-through attraction, like the Pirates of the Caribbean in Disneyland, also sat squarely in an amusement park. It really CANT be a legit location layout.
@@higueraft571 you're right, I COMPLETELY forgot about phone dude saying that on night one. in that case it probably isn't a legitimate location layout unless it's modeled off the blueprints of an actual restaurant.
@@samuelviden7412 well, that is what we have seen in fnaf 2. A final resort to keep yourself alive when the animatronic is in the room. But for some reason, springlock suit don't do that? 🤔
@@samuelviden7412 after William put on the suit, the spirit doesn't fade away. I guess it is because the spirit are not animatronics anymore that they can recognize him without the animatronic's facial recognition system interfere their movements to do a revenge towards any adults(like we see in fnaf 2)
To me, guys who made Fazbear's Fright also making the survival logbook doesn't make sence. In fnaf 3, you are the first and the last nightguard. The place is gone after you. But the logbook we have doesn't belong to Michael anymore. In the logbook, there's sticky note apologising for giving "us" (the current nightguard) a logbook that "someone else" already wrote in (Michael). Not to mention all the "guides" obvioulsy refrence fnaf 1 and not 3.
I would like to point out that in mikes dialogue at the end of sister location he says that he "found her" and she was "right where you said" so william in some way was the one to let mike know where his sister was, and at the end mike says that the only thing left to do is find william, so that means his father is missing already and mike had found some sort of clue as to where his sister was that was left by his father, also keep in mind that william destroying the animatronics doesn't necessarily happen at the same time that he gets stuck in springtrap, he destroyed them took the parts to use the remnant on the sister location animatronics, and then after elizabeth dies he goes back to the location and gets cornered by the spirits which are still lingering, this makes sense in that the location that shut down is fnaf 1 and both elizabeth and william are dead for a while before mike finally finds elizabeth and then he goes looking for his father but doesn't know where to find him, because also keep in mind it the events of sister location DO NOT happen right after elizabeths death there is actually time that passes so it would make sense that both mikes father AND sister disappear right after fnaf 1 and he can't find them until he gets a clue of some sort like something written by his father, and then after he the events of sister location which would happen a while after fnaf 1 and elizabeths death, mike would go look for his father and find him at fazbears frights, this would also make more sense for pizzaria sim if all of the animatronics in that game were only RECENTLY freed as it doesn't make sense that ennard would be roaming free for WELL OVER 30 YEARS before they were finally found and brought into the fnaf 6 location, so baby, ennard, and william have only been free for a short while after having been trapped in their own locations for many many years.
I really like this idea for the timeline, sister location is definitely the trickiest to figure out where its place in the timeline is besides the gameplay of fnaf 4 but I think you nailed it, I can't think of anything that would contradict the series of events you proposed. Great job on this
Honestly, I'd pin FNAF 4's gameplay between 1983 and 1987 100%. Assuming we're playing Michael, most likely closer to 83 or 84. The question is... How fuckin old is he? At a guess, in 1983 he's maybe 13-16, maybe younger, but ABSOLUTELY not an adult. Any younger and he realistically *cant* be in FNAF 2, he'd be underage (unless they took 16-17 year olds??). At minimum roughly 13-14 maybe, depending on birthday.
@@higueraft571 or the unlikely option, he lied about his age? I mean since he goes by different names every time he’s fired, maybe it’s not too much of a stretch to think that’s not the only thing he lied about?
I figured FNAF 4 is first, then MCI, then Fnaf 2 and SBPW at the same time. The gameplay would be years later right before fnaf 1. I dont see why Michael can't be a walking corpse while in Fnaf 1 and it seems as if he is filling out the logbook while on his security job, which has Michael remembering SL (I make a distinction between the red pen drawings and the fully coloured pages referencing 3 cause the 3 location is purposefully Fazbear nostalgia. Phone dude could have designed his office off this memorabilia). Plus we know he was the guard in 3 and he was undeniably scooped at that point so theres nothing stopping him from doing that twice. In contrast to this sequence of events, I always thought Elizabeth died before "Evan" did, but I don't think that works well timeline wise. Its also mentioned in 3 recordings that there were Freddy's locations that had springlock suits too, so multiple locations were open while the Diner was still running. Freddy's was already marketable in 1983 and the Fredbear and Friends was already a commerical success, so CBPW could have opened as early as during 4, since the girls room is empty, even if the story takes place way later. William leaving the rental buisness as a side hustle and Remnant test sight for a about a decade makes sense to me personally. (It could be 4+CBPW, MCI, 2+CB rental, SL, 1, 3) I try to see events through characters lives and not really games that stop and start but i'm not an expert and am probably missing important info.
3:11 Well we are greeted with sight of a burnt down Fazbear Fright in The SL Custom Night ending cutscene…. Well The Fredbear plush is spotted in the office during The Fake Ending of Sister Location and Sister Location Ultimate Custom Night…..We Can Conclude that Sister Location Happens AFTER FNAF 4 but it’s placement in the timeline is a huge mystery.
I always thought it this way. Circus baby's pizza world was made after fredbear's closed. And it may have been opened after the original freddy fazbear's pizza. But it didn't last long. Henry knew william did the murders, but he was in so much denial he never exposed him for it. Denial is a major thing with henry. He denies charlie is really gone, and he even admits he shoulda done something about william and the possessed animatronics ages ago. But if we were to go by midnight motorist and if william IS the orange man... William was only banned from coming back. William discovered about remnant and possession after his first murders which would give him motivation to make the sister location to continue his work. It doesn't last long due to elizabeth getting snatched and grinded to paste, and gas leaks. Instead of burning her, william kept her. Only to use them for rental use. To catch birthday boys and girls and extract their remnant with the scooper. Michael dies to it ofc and becomes a corpse. After being scooped... There is a few things im thinking of. Since bonnie and foxy's spirits had their real names used as aliases... Michael must have known about william's murders. Jeremy COULD be coincidence, but Fritz isn't. Handunit in sister location says freddy fazbear's pizza had closed. This could imply 3 things. The first freddy's. (1985) The new and improved freddy's. (1987) Or the low budget freddy's (1993) Circus baby's pizza world being the sister location of freddy fazbear's pizza (og) would just make sense. Elizabeth died after 1983. 1985 isn't too far from her death date. How old michael is..well.. He's a teenager of course. If he was 14, he'd be 18 in 1987. A bit older and he'd be in his 20s. Michael did die young in sister location, so it's not too far fetched if he began working. "Im going to come find you". Michael does not know where william is..but to get some directions..he starts working at freddy fazbear's pizza. Fritz works at the new and improved freddy fazbear's pizza after a string of murders there. With william killing and abducting the bodies before puppet and freddy save them. Course that would go viral, which gave michael his first clue. So yeah... I believe sister location takes place before fnaf 2. And seeing how fazbear entertainment has low standards...getting a job there is extremely easy and quick. Besides... A nightshift application must have opened once jeremy was moved to dayshift which gave michael his opening. If there are flaws, and questions.. Feel free to tell me
I can’t remember who but someone said a certain date in 2008 I don’t recall the exact date, but I remember them saying it was July of 2008. I think they said they found the theory in the game files or they were just paying attention to something
Late to this, but I always interpreted SL being after the missing children incident in '85 but before fnaf2. The reason being that it seems widely accepted that Michael Afton is both Fritz Smith (fnaf2 night 6) and Mike Schmidt (fnaf1), and both get fired for tampering with animatronics and odor. The odor makes sense if he was scooped, like he is at the end of SL, and decayed to the point that Ennerd left his body. This could put the spring lock suits Baby talks about in a Circus Baby's location in or around '85. We don't know when William dies, but it's before fnaf1 due to Freddy and Bonnie having buttons in the fnaf3 minigames that play at the end of each night, like the withered versions from fnaf2, but are not present in fnaf 1, so I don't know 100% about the Springtrap cutscene, but it could be around fnaf2. As for tampering with animatronics, as mentioned earlier, it makes sense if Michael figured out that Baby was possessed, and was possibly trying to find a way to help the other spirits while working in fnaf 1 and 2 locations
4:15 In the tape after mentioning the retirement of the suits, he alludes to the MCI(mentioning that the Springbonnie suit was moved and reminding people to not take people into the safe rooms or use the springsuits). So the 'Multiple Springlock Failure' incident happened right before the MCI. This also implies the original opening of Circus Baby's Pizza World was probably around 1986. Close enough for there to be an unused Springlock design for the place, as the phase out only started 6 months prior, and making the 85 closing the one Handyunit is referring to. Depending on how much time has passed and how much you trust Scott on designs this could suggest the events of Sister Location proper happening right before FNAF 2. That gives Funtime Foxy a chance for her scraps to be turned into Mangle, and allows Micheal to smell by the time he gets to FNAF 2. William might well be missing because he's on the run from the DCI and probably using a fake name like Dave Miller(The Week Before mentions a guy named Dave works there) as FNAF 2 also implies William worked as Guard 01 under a fake name.
I think it's much easier to say that there's a missing sister's room in fnaf 4, so circus baby's pizza world is before 1983. And the MCI souls are in the funtimes so circus baby's entertainment and rental is after fnaf 1. And the spinglock suit not being used for what it's supposed to be used for doesn't mean it's used for murder. In the silver eyes afton uses a spinglock suit to kidnap carlton.
@@siresquawks I believe the Springlock suits being present at Circus Baby’s Pizza World gives us the definitive answer to it being open during or prior to fnaf4 and that the original Freddys location would also have to be opened in 1983 and not 1985. Read the following: “Uhm, so. After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporaily unfit for employees. Safety is top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technicians. Until replacements arrives, you'll be expected to wear the temporary costumes provided to you. Keep in mind, they were found on very short notice, so questions about appropriateness/relevance should be deflected. I repeat, the classic suits are not to be touched, activated or worn. That being said, we are free of liability, do as you wish. As always, remember to smile. You are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." The sister location presented here is Fredbears Family Diner, it is the only location we get to see a Springlock failure which is the Bite of 83. We know that after the bite, the Springlock suits at all Fazbear locations are to be stores away due to company policy change. This also implies that the classic animatronics at this Freddys were also Springlock suits. Its why they are moved into the saferooms to begin with. We then hear that William “moves” a springbonnie suit and are told not to go into a saferoom by phone guy. This indicates during the process of moving the animatronics William commits the mci murders. “Hello, hello! Uhm, this is just a reminder of company policy concerning the safe room. The safe room is reserved for equipment and or other property not currently being used, and as a backup safety location for employees only. This is not a break room, and should not be considered a place for employees to hide and or (Don't understand what is being said), and under no circumstance should a customer EVER be taken into this room, and out of the main show area. Management has also been made aware, that the Spring Bonnie animatronic, has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees, that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances. Thank you, and remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza." So Baby’s location has to be opened prior to the springlocks being recalled and discontinued due to the bite of 83 which then in turn makes Elizabeth death prior to fnaf4 minigames which is supported by the fact she is absent in fnaf4 and regardless if you believe Bite Victim or Michael is the kid who runs away in “Later That Night” Elizabeth still is nowhere to be seen.
@@siresquawks Furthermore, I believe the events of SL take place prior to events of fnaf2. Well Ill specify. I believe the building itself had been around prior to FNAF2 as only the first Freddys location would fit the criteria of a “successful” location. I believe Mike however arrives there after fnaf2 gameplay due to William being on the run after committing the Save Them murders. We hear the police have been involved and William under an alias flees the company. You could presume that he had been found and was now behind bars. (Not for committing murder but for identity fraud.) He tells Michael to go to SL while he is in jail and serves a sentence that ranges from 4 to 11 years in Utah. Depending on when you believe fnaf1 takes place ((as in year)) William would be out in time after that location had been closed down.
@@glamrockfriend “A wound first inflicted on me.” Elizabeth’s death wasn’t a murder in the same sense as the rest. Regardless, several locations are open at the same time so Charlie still could have died prior to Elizabeth though under the guide that “Later That Night” isn’t after Charlies death but rather after the bite.
@@glamrockfriend Charolettes death had no influence however on the bite of 83 nor Elizabeths death. They were both accidents, especially the bite which was an instance of Michael causing it and not William. Even under your terminology you presented nothing that concludes Elizabeth died after the bite. While I provided 3 instances of proof that she died prior.
Also did you consider ennard tampering with the logbook when it had full control over Micheal? And fazbear frights the horror attraction using a similar logbook to make the "location feel completely authentic" or Cassidy tampering with the images to direct Michael to the fnaf 3 location which we see at the end of sister location after the point even ennard could have tampered with the book, and probably did......
About the thriving Pizzeria thing, it could just be that the rental opened after FNAF 2 or the first Freddy’s location closed (more likely FNAF 2 because William seemed to have stepped away from F.E. at that point), that the employee introduction just wasn’t updated. Just like how select mini games in FNAF 2 take place before FNAF 2 and how the FNAF 4 nights could take place much later than the mini games.
After going through the little posters in FNAF 2 I noticed that it says New Freddy Fazbear's (Pizzeria), which could mean that the original Freddy's could have been called Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria. And we know that FNAF 1s location is named Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, so maybe, just maybe, hand unit is talking about the opening of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals, not Circus Baby's Pizza World, and if this is the cases then maybe William opened sister location right after FNAF 1. But who knows, it just a theory.🤔😉
That’s what I originally thought, but after playing the game again, that’s not how the information is presented to us. Hand unit specifically says that there was room for another contender in children’s entertainment. It’s also worth noting that Circus Baby’s is only open for 1 day, before closing and the animatronics being moved. Never once in Baby or Handunit’s dialog is it implied that there is a significant time gap between Circus Baby’s and the rental facility’s creation. So sister location has to play by the rules of being fully after (including circus baby’s) a Freddy’s location closes. And since Fnaf 1 is the last location, and at some point in Freddy’s history Springlocks were banned and sealed away, for Circus Baby’s to have spring lock suits, it has to be formed before Fnaf 1. If it was formed after there would be no spring lock suits. Also according to the newspaper and phone guy Fnaf 2 is just called Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. The grand reopening of Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. The new and improved Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. But still Freddy Fazbear’s pizza.
One of the posters talking about the missing kids it says culprit was apprehended so instead of him getting spring locked and going missing he goes to prison, then he does the second missing kids incident or something but if William goes to jail it will have a major impact on the timeline
It also implies he wasn’t convicted. Meaning he did no time. Help wanted also says “nothing was ever proven in a court of law” confirming this. William never did time as far as we know.
I always thought Sister Location is taking place some time after the Fredbear's closed and Classic Unwithered band were taken down and before the Toy animatronics were put on a stage as a new attraction..
Interesting theory, but I'd like to add some of my thoughts; Firstly, the Circus baby rental was created due to the success and the closing of a Freddy's, aka the disruption of Afton's child harvesting operations and the animatronics were made with child catching in mind even before this disruption. This means Circus Baby's Pizzeria was also likely made after a similar event causing Afton's operations to be disrupted. Secondly in fnaf 1, the newspaper clippings say the killer was caught, this could be a fall guy for Afton, or it could be the man himself. If Afton he wouldn't be able to create the circus baby rental service. I believe that Circus Baby's Pizzeria was made after the unseen OG location closed down to fill in the gaps in Afton's operations, which closed due to Elizabeth's death, and then the rental service was created after fnaf2 using the preexisting child-catching animatronics. This complicates things if Afton was actually caught after fnaf 2 since he wouldn't be able to run the rental service, although if he was caught he wouldn't be able to create new animatronics so there would be even more of a reason to reuse the Circus baby models. Which sort of implies that Afton has people working with him. This would also mean more people knew about his research providing a helpful explanation for who created Fazber's LLC since Afton's research might've gotten into the hands of people who wanted to replicate it and created the Pizzaplex/Fazbear's LLC for this very purpose. Also on Afton's death, I believe he dies after the events of Fnaf 1 after he gets out of prison and goes to Freddy's, subsequently dying. Meaning the events go something like this. -Unseen location closes _Circus baby's pizzeria and animatronics are created but scrapped due to Elizabeth's death -Fnaf 2 location created -Afton resumes child harvesting but is caught and arrested this time, of note is the bodies are not found and there is likely a lack of evidence due to the fact. -Michael does fnaf 1 -Afton contacts Michael but goes dark immediately after dying in fnaf1 -sister location happens -the fnaf3 and onwards happens idk.
I agree with the gist of your argument, but in Help Wanted it's confirmed that "Nothing was ever proven in a court of law" meaning that even if people tried to charge William he got away with it. Since help wanted is a later release it has priority over prior descriptions. So I wouldn't worry too much about the legal implications of William's actions.
@@siresquawks well I'm glad you feel I at least got the gist of it right, I felt a bit unsure about William going to prison but felt of the two ideas I was iffy about it was the most plausible. The other being William also experimented on himself using remnant based on her appearance in the books going from younger and roundish to taller and eviler looking, but the books aren't cannon anyways except for some lore things like remnant(?)
Those newspapers are glimpses to the past. The Freddy’s that closes “by year’s end” is the original one with the OG MCI. Also I’m pretty sure Henry is running the Freddy Fazbear places, not William.
I think Sister Location was open when both Elizabeth and Evan were alive. And Circus Baby taking Elizabeth was the reason Evan is so scared to go to Freddy's. And same with the mine control disks. And Sister Location gameplay takes place after FNAF 1 and before FNAF 3.
The issue with this is Fredbear's is still open during the minigames of fnaf 4. Phone guy in fnaf 2 mentions that Fredbear's has been closed for a long time, yet the old Freddy's is treated as more recent. That's important because as I bring up in the video, Handunit says that Circus Baby's was made to fill in for the recently closed Freddy's. And THAT'S important because as I later learned, in the source code of the sister location "Canceled due to leaks." teaser, in which Circus Baby's closes after it's 1 and only test day (which is the one Elizabeth Dies on), one of comments from an unknown representative says to look out for Circus Baby in your local party, implying the rental service. Which means the rental service and Baby's Pizzeria are extremely close to eachother chronologically. So, if Freddy's had closed, and then the rental service was made, therefore Elizabeth's death on that test day is around the time or after a Freddy's closes down. And since every Freddy's location closes after Fredbear's, Elizabeth dies after the Bite Victim.
While I mostly agree with this, I feel like it's worth pointing out that the fnaf 4 minigames should have to happen after midnight motorist, as the crying child is implied to still be alive and well
Watch my Midnight Motorist episode or Ryetoast’s timeline episodes, they cover MM pretty well. Short answer, It’s not crying child running away but Michael running off. Crying child is already dead.
My headcanon is that it takes place concurrently with William's death because of the "I'm coming to find you" line. Basically after Fnaf 1 William sent Michael down to Circus Baby's to clean his own mess up while, after starting to get suspicious his son is catching on due to the events of the first Fnaf game, he goes off to get rid of the haunted animatronics. So after SL William is MIA as no-one alive knows he's been springlocked. If Michael was undead before Fnaf 1 it'd be weird how he's able to hold down a job. I know, "odor", but that could just have a mundane explanation or be a toilet humor joke
To add to this theory. People would argue Elizabeth's age, but there are 2 things to take into consideration. *ONE* : everyone assumes Elizabeth was born when "Evan" Afton was still alive, but we don't actually know that for sure, and that is because *TWO* : the girls room seen in FNAF 4 was actually the mothers room. She just wasn't seen in the game. This could also explain why "Evan" is the only child being monitored, because at the time, he was the youngest member of the family.
@Jonée Lillard It could be possible that after Mrs. Afton was out of the picture, the room could've become either a storage room in a way or possibly a playroom/comfort place that the Crying Child played in. I don't know, it could also be possible something happened where Foxybro destroyed the Mangle toy in the room for he had also (PRESUMABLY) tore the Foxy plushies head off, and had just left the remains there (Just a thought)
The first point may actually be confirmed by the FNAF movie, since, assuming the Schmidt kids somehow stand in for the Afton kids in the games, then Abby being born after Garrett went missing could imply that Elizabeth was born after Evan died.
@@tau-5794kinda a stretch though, could be possible seeing the current agreed on lore but other than there being 3 siblings, a dead younger brother, a sister (which is ofc, alive), and a older brother. Also you have to take in account that it could be a similar situation like with the books where it's, it's own canon with some stuff filling in the plot holes the games have
Sister Location pretty safely happens after 1. Michael wouldn't even be a legal ADULT before 2 (where he may JUST be 18). And, the "odor" reason... really isn't that strong, at all. Also forgot AR
i haven't checked on the fnaf series in a few years, and a few weeks ago I decided to watch a few videos about the plot, and like, man the lore is so goofy 💀💀💀 incredibly smart spaghetti terminators in the 80s, so cool, so awesome
2:35 Mike draws Nightmare Fredbear, meaning this is after the events of FNAF 4(Like the actual game, not the Party Minigames). Fun with Plushtrap exists and occurs before that point and is based on Springtrap. So the Logbook happens after Mike is already working at FNAF 3, and in fact might be one of the old props they found.
that's a really good theory but i have a question, how do you take into account the fact that william destroys the original MCI possessed animatronics in the FNAF 3 follow me minigames. william has to die before phone guy bc the safe rooms are sealed while phone guy is still alive. if this is true then how are the animatronics intact and still possessed during FNAF 1, i guess you could say they were rebuilt but tbh it just feels like lazy writing, also it wouldn't make sense considering we see the spirits fade after william dies inside springbonnie
I think the FNaF 3 office was based off of the Security LogBook, as the LogBook is actually an in-universe item, and Michael was using it on the job, likely the FNaF 1 Pizzeria.
Honestly, it feels like you could put the events of Sister Location literally anywhere from Freddy's closing in 1985 to the creation of the Logbook if William just leaves town because of the MCI like he does in the books (hence Michael would get instructions to go down earlier and it explains why William is seemingly missing at that time).
Well all that kinda depends since judging by evidence maybe kinda but it seems like Elizabeth dies before CC and if that's true then not only does that explain the stomach mouth that some of the nightmare animatronics have maybe if he might have seen it while it was happening instead of just being there or something but remember FNAF 1 location is the same location of the missing children incident and was just reused in FNAF 1 later then it shuts down cuz no one really came after all the other events that happened so when William dismantles the robots he probably injected the Funtime animatronics with the remnant instead of just actually fully creating them from the FNAF 1 animatronics so he just gave them life with from the mixed souls of the kids and they kick out baby for being bossy or whatever and that leads to FNAF 6 after FNAF 3 so I think the order is unless you believe Charlie dies after or before the missing children incident since nightmare balloon boy it would go FNAF 2 location shuts down for a while after Charlie gets killed FNAF 1 location closes after the missing children incident closes circus baby opens Elizabeth dies it close at FNAF 4 happens with some of the nightmares where it's just the 4 animatronics that scared CC then he dies at Fredbear's it closes FNAF 2 location reopens by 1987 another missing children incident happens then the bite of 87 happens and it fully shuts down later on FNAF 1 location reopens with the same missing children incident robots but different design no one really comes there phone guy dies it closes down for good by then William knows the robots are possessed and wants the remnant goes there destroys the robots Injects the Funtime robots with remnant the souls of the original 5 dead kids take over those bodies instead the hard part about that is where do the other spirits come from that scare William and it could be the FNAF 2 ones but that would kinda be a stretch so the originals remember it was still a piece of their souls not the full part so a part of them scare William yata yata yata and then everything else happens big problem with that is that Micheal would be trying to free the spirits so it would only work if he was doing this stuff while William was even figuring remnant existed but before that it would have to be FNAF 2 custom night So before it fully closes I guess idk but I also realized what I wrote so in a way CC would have to die first before FNAF 1 got shut down the first time so Elizabeth would have to be somewhere else for that to work unless they die the same day but again that doesn't work if we assume CC died in 1983 so it would have to be Charlie dies 1983 CC died same year and depending on how long it would take for circus baby to start up then it would have to happen around mid 1985 or 86
Its 2:53 am here in Brazil, UA-cam just recommended it and, as English is my third language, it's not the best time to understand everything. But great video, anyway! 😅
I have a small theory that during fnaf 4 minigame, Elizabeth was a very smol child who was almost to an age to where she gets her own room and dies much later than Evan, side note, the twisted animatronics were a prototype for the sister location animatronics, anyway, after the events of fnaf 4 but before spring lock of course William has a secret project after working on twisted robots... the funtimes. Blah blah blah, Micheal doing nightguard stuff, eventually makes it to the sister location... ect. ect.
I think the Elizabeth Baby stuff happens before FNaF 4 because Nightmare and Nightmare Fredbear have tummy teeth, meaning Crying Child witnessed the scooping, with the scooper coming out of the stomach of the animatronic. You never see Elizabeth afterwards. The ingame part most likely happens after FNaF 1 because of Springtrap in the secret ending.
so, how i understand sister location. this will take a bit, but i think mostly right: -circus babys pizza world was opened in 1983. this is because springlock suits are still in use. phoney guy says in the fnaf 3 tapes that they get retired and after that someone (william) still uses them and then phone guy also says that you shouldnt bring people into the saferoom. this implies that the mci happened now, because that is the only time william used springbonnie to lure people into the saferoom. so cirucs babys pizza world has to be before june 26th 1985 or 1983. it doesnt matter which one you believe, it is before fnaf 2 -william stores the animatronics because he wants to use them later again and also because he realizes that his daughter now possesses circus baby. wouldnt make sense to scrap his daughter -after fnaf 1 william then realizes that he still has a bunch of animatronics in his basement and that he can use them for more child murder. this also ligns up with handunit. he says the rental service was opened after the massive success of freddy fazbear's pizza. while this could reference a specific location, i think it is more likely that he talked about the pizzeria chain. because if this would be after fnaf 2, freddy's would still be planning to make new locations. there wouldnt be much room for a new contender, since they reopen the very next year. we know this because of the fnaf ar faz facts, which we can use like the emails, since scott said that he assumed illumix will put them in (yet illumix was lazy). but what if handunit really meant a specific location? well fnaf 1 still was open from 1988 till 1993, so they needed to be at least moderatly successful. -william then puts the remnant from the mci in the funtimes. thats why he takes the endos in the fnaf 3 minigames. he then returns to collect the suits as well, but ghosts and springlocks and stuff -sister location is now up and running and at some point michael gets accepted as a worker. he tries to free his sister, like his father asked him to do and the rental service closes because no animatronics. only real difference to your timeline is that the pizzeria was open in 1983 and the rental service only after 1993. i think that covers everything. if you find any plotholes, let me know
Me personally, I believe Sister Location takes place in 1986. I believe Michael would have been born in 1968 Here's the math and explanation: 1968 + 15 = 1983 (when I believe he was 15 in 1983) and 15 + 3 = 18 He would've been 18 years old when he gets the job of SL in 1986 when he is around 18, obviously this is all just my interpretation and not canon. I also have some other evidence, he would have gone to work at FNaF2, FNaF1, FNaF3 and FNaF FFPS. Again, please nobody get mad at me as I know how the FNaF fandom can be at times.
@@siresquawks Yeah I've also got a video suggestion The flaws of FNaF games, for example: FNaF1's power thing doesn't seem to make any logical sense Things covering that and all
It’s the cops 👮♂️ 👮♂️are questioning what circus baby 🎊 🎉 could do mr Afton said she can dance 💃 she’s can sing 🎤 she’s equipped with a built in helium translating ballon’s right at finger tips,she can take song requests she can even dispense ice cream 🍦
you assumed the "father im going to come find you" was during/right after sister location, but the moment he says that springtrap awakes in the middle of burned wreckage (so right after fnaf 3) i think
Yeah but what’s important is that he’s describing sister location like it just happened, what we’re seeing is disconnected chronologically from what we’re hearing.
That kinda goes into my point of Fnaf 1 being on such a shoestring budget, between 2 being open for a week and sister location being reduced to a rental service with no food or coin op profits can’t be great.
it's easy. Circus Baby's Pizza World existed during 1987 since that's the time William Afton watched his son through the cameras. You're forgetting that the grand opening of this location was "cancelled" (due to "leaks"), and only a few children managed to take a look inside - Elizabeth died there and William Afton was questioned on Baby's design. Then the place shut down and the building was left for sale. Sometime between 83 and 87, after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (the location of the 5 missing children's incident according to FNAF 1) shut down, someone bought Circus Baby's location - this time the animatronics would be rented for private parties. Michael Afton gets there any time during/after William Afton has been left to rot inside Springtrap (cus he was told to find "her" prior to his father getting springlocked, he also has 30 years to get there so no problem).
The logbook is after Fnaf 1 because of 1 simple clue… Nightnare Fredbear. We know this happens after Fnaf 1 because of Fnaf 4 gameplay being a parallel to Fnaf 1. We also hear Phone Guy’s phone calls in reverse in the background.
I've been considering this idea for awhile, the only thing throwing me off is whether William would be on the run or not post-FnaF 2. If he wasn't distanced from the company, then it would make sense why he'd be able to make a new company and location.
Circus babys pizza world takes place in the early fredbears family diner era, circus baby and rentals (where we play) takes place after the closing of fnaf 1 (2000s)?
No. The “Canceled due to leaks” teaser’s source code states “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Referring to the closing of Circus Baby’s pizza world and the shift to rental services for local small parties. They happen right after each other. So if the rental service is after Freddy’s like Hand unit says, then they are both after a Freddy’s closes, which is a minimum of 1985, max 2003.
I think the sticker for me is Elizabeth's age. We get hints that there is a sister in fnaf 4, which means Elizabeth is already born and old enough to have her own room. Given that she was still very young when she died, Circus Baby's Pizza World had to have opened somewhere in the 80s, which completely invalidates the high-tech arguments that are thrown around.
The springlock suits being super high tech makes ZERO sense. WHy the heck would you ever make an animatronic have a suit mode *unless* there were things that the animatronics weren't capable of. If the animatronic modes at the time were super simple and incapable of even walking around, that would make a ton of sense as to why they would also be wearable. Especially coming from Fazbear Ent, who's company motto might as well be "Cut any and all corners".
My point was more that tech that shouldn’t be possible for the time isn’t an argument. And yes the animatronics could walk phone guy says they have sound recognition to move to where kids are. That’s why Springtrap goes to balloon boy’s laugh, his suit which is in animatronic mode want to go to where the children are.
@@siresquawks Oh right, I'd forgotten about that detail. I still don't understand why Fazbear Ent. would go through the extra effort and money to create an animatronic that doubles as a costume if the animatronic can already do everything a suit actor can and probably then some as they wouldn't need breaks like a human would.
I've only gotten back into the fnaf lore in like the last 2 months so I am wondering where we heard that the springlock suits are able to hear and recognize the location children are. I thought that was a toy animatronic thing only. Then in fnaf 3 William went to the sounds just because he was trying to find people.
I just want to say, not sure if anyone else has said this, but in the mini game reveal where the crying child gets bitten, there was an empty girls room. Everyone was wondering where the siter was. Well, this game was literally named "Sister Location" and it's where his sister was.
I can answer that: pre 2009. Why? Michael's TV. The TV is a box TV and not a flat screen TV, which came out in 1997 and became popular in the 2000's. However, we can narrow this down a bit further to 1997 to 1999 if we want to rule out all of 2000 - 2009. So we have a 2 year time gap of 1997 to 1999, so I would say 1998 as a middle ground.
Could circus baby or another Funtime animatronic be the irrelevant mascot given to the employees of the first FFP after the springlocks were retired? I think the popular location that SL talks about is the first FFP so it would make sense that those springlocks were never used the way they were intended. It is very possible that the night 4 springlock is either the exact spring bonnie William used to lure the children or an original FFP springlock from either the fnaf 3 phone call location or the first FFP sister location.
As much as I like this take and think it would work super well, the teasers for SL specifically name drop “Circus Baby’s Pizza World” and how it closed on its first day due to “gas leaks” which is the cover up for the Funtime Murders. So baby did have her own location.
@@siresquawks I agree it just doesn’t sit right with me the way she talks about other locations almost as if it’s really Elizabeth talking about those places. It doesn’t make sense that baby knows so much about FFP and spring lock suits when her location existed for one day.
@@Crash-Home Oh it is weird don't get me wrong, but that's what the story implies. But she does say that suit came from her pizzeria so, I guess after she snap crackle popped Elizabeth William walked over in costume to see the day's catch in horror.
I think sisterlocation takes place after frights burns down as when micheal talks to his father we see will come out of the burnt remains of frights meaning that the game takes place a while after 3. And soster location could take place in 96 as we see from mikes house and the show he watches.
Is there evidence the CC / BV is named Evan? I thought there was but its kinda meh how its obtainable in the Log Book. SL is one of my favorite FNAF games.
Wasn't Ennard in Michael's body for years, so the end scene where Springtrap wakes from the ashes doesn't take place directly after Sister Location ends
Oh I though you meant circus babies pizza works was after fnaf4 I place sister location’s gameplay in the 86-87 range but CBPW around 82-83 with William killing Charlie first then made the fun times not long after due to the puppets weirdness as Charlie starts taking control
I don’t think Sister Location is after Fnaf 1, doesn’t really make a lot of sense for Michael to wait this long to go to the bunker his dad built to retrieve Elizabeth. I think it could be either between the MCI (1985) and Fnaf 2 or between Fnaf 2 and Fnaf 1
William went into hiding, following FNaF 3. When he was in hiding, Mike was scooped and began living in shadows, cue the Mike speech. Then Mike lands a job in the FNaF 6 location after the intended employee is killed by Elizabeth. Afton then shows up in the FNaF 6 location, like Mike, and Henry, anticipated.
I know you prolly won't see this but im throwing my hat in the ring: I think Sister Location takes place before FNAF 2. The FNAF 3 Call about the safe rooms being sealed seems like it was trying to hide something (i.e. William being dead), which means Phone Guy is ALIVE, so his Springlocking would be before FNAF 1. Plus, the paper clippings saying the restaurant would close by years end are about the original Freddy's Zero rather than the FNAF 1 location. It also lines up with Michael's whole "Im going to come find you" thing and what William is doing. Afton skips town after the missing childrens incident and Mike's only note is the to save Elizabeth. Cue Sister Location, and Mike is now saying "im going to come find you." Freddy's reopens (FNAF 2) and William pops by, only for Mike (as Fritz) to just miss him. Similar case with FNAF 1, Mike goes to find William at a reopened Freddy's but William is in the safe room and he cant find him. FNAF 3 is when the two reunite and FNAF 6 has them finish everything. It also adds context to the "odor" connection. Meanwhile, William kills 5 kids for remnant after Baby fucks uo with Elizabeth, Freddy’s is closed and William opens up CBEAR to get more using the old CBPW assets and new "Funtimes". However, he is caught by the police. Everyone knows he did it but hes freed due to no evidence. With that, he skips town and leaves Mike to do his dirty work. Learning that Mike lived and the funtimes escaped, he needs more remnant but has to stay out of plane sight. Cue FNAF 2 where he kills 5 kids w/ a security guard guise but stops because the other animatronics go after him (maybe he left the bodies because he was trying to escape the withered robots?). The place is closed and he needs more remnant. When he hears Freddy's is reopening, he sneaks in to obtain the old characters remnant w/ a security guard guise but gets springlocked. It even works thematically with them both being security guards at the Freddy’s location's for their own goals, but always missing the mark. You could argue 'well what is ennard doin durin that time' but also mike and the puppet did squat for like 30 years so hey.
Why later? Anyways, she doesn't die early on. The only thing stated about Circus Baby's is that it's formed after Freddy's closes. That's 1985, 1987, or 2003 all of which are after 1983 when the Bite victim dies. If it's after a Freddy's closes then Elizabeth is at earliest the 8th person to die (Bite Victim, Charlie, and the 5 MCI Kids). Having a code "1983" implies the room was made in reaction to something, or that that year was significant, not that that year is when the place was built or anything like it. So, our only clue is being after Freddy's which like I said is always after several prior kids.
@@siresquawks yes but Baby says no one was the wiser when Elizabeth died. The party still went on because no one was there to witness it. Plus we don't know for sure that the place was shut down due to Elizabeth's death since we do see the funtimes still being sent out for parties and workers still in the underground storage space. Also William couldn't of made the funtimes primarily for capturing kids because if he did so then there would be red flags everywhere that another Freddy animatronic is being left with children. We know that Circus Baby's opened after the first Freddy's but we don't for sure if Elisabeth died while it was open, there is the sisters room after all and that William is keeping a very close eye on his kids for seemingly no reason.
@@DJBurns-jq8mn The reason would be to watch his two remaining kids after one of them stuck the other's head in a golden bear robot's mouth. And we know for a fact that the funtimes are meant to kill kids because that's why and how Baby killed Elizabeth, and every Funtime animatronic has blueprints explaining how they lure kids away. Baby literally says that Circus Baby's was open for one day, and on that day, she killed Elizabeth. After that they were put in the bunker and then rented out instead of being in a Pizzeria. And none of that Changes Elizabeth dying after 7 other kids since Freddy's has already closed.
@@siresquawks but if Elisabeth is still around during the week up to the bite of 83 and cc is already afraid of the animatronics then what reason would William's have to watch them through cameras from the house all the way to the pizzeria. And the Funtimes wouldn't exist at that point anyway since at that point the only animatronics around were Fredbear, Spring Bonnie and the Puppet so there would be no reason to make a Funtime Freddy, Foxy or Chica. And the main reason why I say the Circus Baby's wouldn't of closed because of Elisabeth death is that what the minigame shows us and Baby's story doesn't add up. A few examples are that it's implied they were indoors as Baby says the kids kept coming in and out repeatedly, the number of kids don't add up and the order Baby see's them isn't correct either and Baby doesn't know why she did what she did and couldn't help herself but then later she implies that she knew all along or at least knew why she was made to it. Freddy's was opened or was going to open as a sister location to Fredbear' Family Diner as said by most of the recordings and calls we get, so both establishments would of been open at the same time (RyeToast goes into more detail in his 4 part timeline video if your curious). The Midnight motorist minigame shows Jr's which could be the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizza as William, a former owner who is a suspect, wouldn't be allowed to enter. While my theory has holes in it, it does hold some ground in my opinion. William wouldn't of set up the bunker, the Fredbear plushes, force cc to not go to certain places by reminding him of what he saw and allow Michael or whoever it was in the Foxy mask to continuously scary cc to the point where cc knows "Michael" would hide under the bed to scare him unless someone or something had him to to extreme lengths to do so. Also, the BB, JJ and DD animatronics could of been apart of Circus Baby's due to the similar designs and human like appearance and Ballora may or may not be there as well as she would likely be a Mr's Afton stand in.
THE FACT IS THAT SL IS *AFTER* FNAF 1 BECAUSE FUNTIME YENDOS (Ennard) ARE FNAF 1 ROBOT'S IGNITED REMNANTS, IT CAN'T BE BEFORE FNAF 1 BUT ALSO CAN'T BE AFTER BECAUSE MICHEAL WAS SCOOPED AT FNAF 1, HOW GOD!!! EDIT: I think my comment needs proof. So Ennard is FNaF 1's robot's endo's ignited versions because if they are in "The Fourth Closet," they can't be just random wires because the wires can move the animatronic with the help of souls. and for FNaF 1, it is after SL, which we know from the logbook and odor.
hmm here a penny for your thoughts , what if the afton in the beginning of sister location, explaining all of baby’s features, isn’t william but actually micheal
ImpulseEvan_37 says Fnaf 1 takes place after Fnaf 2 and Sister Location takes place after Fnaf 1. Then after Sister Location comes Fnaf 4 because if you didn’t know, in Fnaf 4 we play as Michael, not Evan. Then comes 3 and after that is Fnaf 6 and Finally Security Breach.
@@siresquawks yeah, but I was just saying what the other channel I watch says just for fun. Also my dumbass decided to comment before the video was even finished and when I was only about 7 minutes in.😓🤦🏻♂️
FNAF 2's killings are at most days apart. You think 5 rotting corpses wouldn't cause some SERIOUS stink? Also how the hell do you think he'd even get hired for FNAF 2 AND 1 AND 3, if he's a nasty-ass *literal* walking corpse? FNAF 3 you could say Remnant repairs his body over time, FNAF 1/2 he simply isnt a corpse yet.
I’ve never understood the issue with this game. Baby’s pizza world was probably opened after the first Freddy’s (or second) closed then YEARS later mike goes down n the events of the game happen. Why would pizza world have to be right before sister location? It’s like Freddy’s one, we just didn’t see it.
@@yes_hello_how_are_you Yes, we're shown that a secondary elevator from FNaF 1 leads to the CBEaR bunker in Help Wanted. We're also shown that Circus Baby's Pizza World is connected to CBEaR in Help Wanted 2 and the Steam description.
Not really. Yeah her room is “empty” but since William is later shown to bring her with him it could just be that, or she’s just anywhere else like at Freddy’s. That or Scott just didn’t know what to do with her yet and only implied her existence.
0:42 Literally the most obvious thing, yet no-one brings it up. But you lost me at ‘Evan’ and only having 1 Fredbear plush when we know there are multiple. Fnaf 4 is a test chamber, it’s not the real Afton House.
This was well before dittophobia and we don't know for a fact there are multiple as there's many theories to interpret 4- many of which I didn't know when working on this.
@@siresquawks if it isn’t a test chamber then why do the aftons all live in several distinct houses all within the early 80s. And why is there 2 rooms?
I’m a huge fan of the idea that sister location occurs during/around the same time as fnaf 1 and 2 as it fits nicely with Williams character and motivations, but theories like “Micheal is the protagonist of fnaf 1/2” would not work with this time line as Micheal would have to be in two places at once for some of the nights
Well, I said that Circus Baby's was made after 2, and then the sister location nights happen after 1 closes but right before William is springlocked so it doesn't contradict him being there at all.
@@siresquawks if the theory that Micheal is Mike and Fritz from fnaf 1 and 2 then Fritz being fired for odor would imply that his death in sister location has to be before fnaf 2. though the jury is out on if that is actually true so it might not work.
@@transgamergirl5004 I did consider that it's been on my mind and I've gone back and forth on it a lot. I'm both unsure of this would overwrite my theory or if Fritz is Mike, and if either matter, and honestly that's a topic intricate enough for a later video. I've got one in my back pocket right now I've been tinkering with and I might squeeze that in there.
@@siresquawks I'm definitely interested in the theory. Though you could say I'm a bit more casual never played a fnaf game just got interested in the story so i could have missed something easily :D if i remember though fnaf 2 was the "Grand Reopening" so is it possible that the time mike has ennard in him is during jeremey's time in fnaf 2 then mike works that last day in the game?
Just trying me two cents. Uh about that Odor thing. It’s might not be as important as some people think. My explanation is mostly from Help Wanted and the secret Tapes. In one of them, Tape Girl let’s us know about what Companies like to do to fire people.
You know when a Company gonna fire someone they will tend to actually make stuff up or list off certain things that shouldn’t really warrant as major offenses. Case in point if an Employee does or see something they shouldn’t have. It’s possible for Mike and Fritz they didn’t really have any odor. The company probably just wanted them gone really bad cause of something. Rather that something is them messing with the animatronics or because they saw something. Just my idea of what the Odor problem was.
I think you're right, and it had to happen just after FNaF 2. William is going to jail after MCI 2, but he manages to tell Michael where Elizabeth/Baby is, so she's not just rotting away in a bunker or completely scrapped for parts by uncaring technicians. If he can't restore her, he at least wants Elizabeth to be free.
"The Michael has to be dead in Fnaf 2 because 'odor' is a reason he's fired" always seemed like one of the weakest pieces of evidence fan timelines.
Especially considering there's up to 5 rotting bodies stinking up the place, only a few days old tops. Same for the tampering arguably...
Odor probably means he tampered with the suits that had dead bodies on them? Idk but I don't think Michael just goes to places when he's literally a walking corpse. It just doesn't make sense for businesses to hire someone that looks physically mangled to do a security job.
Along with that, Tape Girl in Fnaf Help Wanted said you can tell when a company is getting ready to fire someone, even sometimes making up reasons to fire someone. So in my opinion, I think the fnaf 1’s fire slip was literal while the second fire slip was random ideas.
10:14 To add to this, he uses the exact tactic in the book specifically to avoid being attacked. Tricking the protagonists into putting on the Springbonnie head on him whilst he's tied up so that he's ‘one of them’.
Here's the thing. William knew about remnant and posession. And when he ran for the springbonnie suit...he wasn't scared or forced. He had a determined smile on his face before getting into the suit.
He knew he was going to die because an old springbonnie suit that is moistened by the rain leaking into the building? William is no idiot. He knew he was going to die. And he knew he was gonna come back. And he loves his new body.
I think it's different in the games here because the spirits saw and know what he looked like there.
In all honesty it makes much more sense for sister locations events to happen after the missing children's incident considering that that's the only other place that shuts down and it would still be considered massively popular
I think the survival logbook might have been made by the Fazbear Frights staff for visitors as when phone dude says that you get to play the role of the 'security guard!' He seems hyped about it like there's evidence of that role being key to the popular versions of the stories the phone dude had heard about the old pizzarias (either the bite of '87 or the later retcon/idea of there being in-universe games which probably started the haunting rumours surroinding the pizzarias). Mike probably picked one up out of curiosity to see what they got right and wrong and ended up doodling and using the book as we see it in our real life versions. The biggest indicator to me that it could be made by Fazbear Frights is the title, 'Survival Logbook'. If it is called that in-universe, and we have no reason to think otherwise, it sounds like the kind of title a horror attraction would use; something for kids who go through the attraction to take away and fill out after their tour.
I think the secret lore minigames are in order of the games, but the games themselves take place at later dates ,and that goes for every game.
oooo i love this topic, this is by far one of the trickiest dates
when sl:
you asked when the logbook is, its really hard to say when, but its most likley either given on his fnaf 1 shift or during fnaf 3.
if we make the assumptions that mike is the protagonist of fnaf 4, the nightmares happen at night, and the nightmares are somewhat inspired by fnaf 1(see backwards fnaf 4 phone guy message), then that means fnaf 4 cant take place at the same time as fnaf 1 unless the nightmares are happening in the day, placing fnaf 4 after fnaf 1 when mike was fired, and mike couldnt have gotten a company logbook after he was fired + mike drew nightmare fredbear, meaning altogether the logbook had to have been after fnaf 4 which is after fnaf 1 given to him presumably as a nightguard working in fnaf 3 as probably to make it authentic,
but then again some double counter points would be why mike says coupons in the book really work, the sticky note guy talking about not using the suits anymore(although phone dude couldve known itd be weird for him to act), the book was given to us so that means a new nightguard followed mike, which wouldnt be possible if the building mike worked at burned.
in summary the logbook happens either during fnaf 1 or 3.
However this only dates the logbook and only shows sL in relation to when he got the book timeline wise. So either before fnaf 3 or before fnaf 1.
Mike does say his father went missing, most likley due to becoming springtrap. However when did springtrap die? The place he dies at looks abandoned and closed, and william destroys all the animatronics making it seem unlikley to be before fnaf 1. but at the same time phone guy has to be alive when they seal the backroom with springtrap shut placing it before fnaf 1 at the same time. Either its after fnaf 1 and the wall sealed was opened and resealed after it was closed, or it takes place before fnaf 1, purple guy was a previous guard, and the animatronics got repaired shortly after he dismantled them. So when mike says his father was missing, he was going to come find him either during fnaf 1 or after working at fnaf 1 in fnaf 3.
Could the tech settle when the game takes place? it is pretty nice after all. well it doesnt matter when we play the game, whether it be in the far future in fnaf 3 or in the early 90s of fnaf 1, these were built by william afton when he was alive, and he died either before or after fnaf 1, placing the events of sister location either before fnaf 1 or after fnaf 1.
Conclusion: i trick u, i dont make one here
when circus baby pizza world:
Alright maybe the springlock suit would give an answer. Firstly, spring suits were decommissioned around the time of the mci, as phone guy says someone is using the springbonnie suit when he reminds the employees not to. This means Circus baby's pizza world happens maybe around 83-85 if this spring suit is in use. Hold on a min, is this really a spring suit however? it is wearable, but the windup cranks are on the inside, the spring suits are wound on the outside, so could it even help at all?
Although the quote does talk about success at freddy's it also talks about the closing of freddy's which could mean its refering to fnaf 1. "Due to the massive success and even more-so the unfortunate closing of Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza, it was clear that the stage was set - no pun intended - for another contender in children’s entertainment." which talks about the unfortunate closing of Freddy's. Fnaf 1 did have an unfortunate closing, but so did fnaf 2 and the old fnaf 1 building during the mci, placing sister location either after the mci, after fnaf 2, or after fnaf 1. All resturants had some form of massive success as one was the original popular freddys which was super old, which could date the pizza world location far back in time, fnaf 2 was short lived but marketed as the NEW freddys, and fnaf 1 which was the most long lasting and stable but was barley hanging on and eventually closed.
Here are all the possible timeline placements that also work:
-pizza world somewhere between 83 to 87
-sister location somewhere between 87 to 2023
Why william go into springbonnie? My headcannon is, they cant stuff you in a suit if you're already in one.
Just elaborating, i would say this comment would help shed light on the date but i did the exact opposite here
I never thought about the suit thing. I always thought afton put on the suit to terrify the kids and bring up their trauma but what you’ve said actually makes a lot of sense
It's always odd to me that people dismiss the 'entertainment' part of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals. Sure, it's apparently a bunker beneath a version of William's house, but the animatronics clearly have stages and as we crawl along their halls, they have the same checkered layout as a party room from the older games. To me, this implies that while you can rent an animatronic to show up to your own party, there are, or were, also parties taking place at this location. Maybe not a huge detail, but still not something I ever see brought up when discussing Sister Location
William was “dead” long before FNAF3 takes place, remember? He was sealed up for an unknown amount of years, so William’s demise doesn’t have to be an issue for the timeline.
Yes but he still goes to the abandoned Freddy’s 1 location to die meaning for him to be dead implies it’s after 1.
@@siresquawks No necessarily. The FNAF1 location was the one that existed before and then got reopened, wasn’t it?
@@samuelviden7412 no. The animatronics were reused, it’s never implied they reused the building. It’s sometimes fannon that it is, but all that’s stated by the ceo in Fnaf 2 that they will reopen on a smaller budget. The location is never mentioned. Fnaf 1 is a distinct location as far as we know.
@@samuelviden7412 How does FNAF 1 have the refurbished Withereds from 2 if they've already been gutted for Remnant PRIOR to 1, and are still haunted as shit? And how would Sister Location be placed if it's PRIOR to FNAF 2 or so?
@@siresquawks I would argue the existence of a safe room inside that location combined with the “vintage training casettes” found there implies its at least a previous location as why would they build a safe room long after the springlock animatronics were decomissioned.
I always interpreted sister location as having been made in 1987 alongside the FNAF 2 building. That way, being the follow up to a successful restaurant makes sense. And so the interview with Afton in the beginning of the game is before the opening day.
Then it was closed down for years after Elizabeth died. And by the time Mike is in SL, William is already in the suit.
that's how i interpreted it as well
Same
On the note of the logbook... Don't forget the fact that "Fazbear Frights" is just an old Freddy's (or Fredbears?) Location turned into an attraction, in the future! the logbook shows the place in mint condition so it has to be somewhere between the two in the timeline there, I think.
Then FNAF 3 happens as we know in the late future.
I don't think it's confirmed that Faz Frights is a reused old Freddy's but that would be worth noting.
@@siresquawks Double-checking, the newspaper states it's a replica attraction in the middle of an Amusement Park
Swore it was here too, but evidently mixed it up with other locations...
1:54 given the fact that the Fazbear Frights location was built using as many repurposed elements from Fazbear Entertainment-related locations, maybe the reason we’re seeing the FNAF 3 office in the logbook is a coincidence and it used to be the office to another closed-down location?
like, I have no idea if that would help or hurt your argument here. I’d just always assumed they repurposed as much as possible and that that included actual pieces of the buildings.
edit: as Higuera mentioned, Fazbear Frights is a walk-through attraction and not a full-on restaurant. however, that does make me wonder if it wasn't modeled after or built using the blueprints from a real location.
Except, as mentioned in Night 1 and the newspaper, it's a walk-through attraction, like the Pirates of the Caribbean in Disneyland, also sat squarely in an amusement park. It really CANT be a legit location layout.
@@higueraft571 you're right, I COMPLETELY forgot about phone dude saying that on night one. in that case it probably isn't a legitimate location layout unless it's modeled off the blueprints of an actual restaurant.
That actually makes sense though. I never thought why did William used the springlock suit when he was confronting the dead children's spirits
He basically did it as a last resort; it wasn’t planned.
@@samuelviden7412 well, that is what we have seen in fnaf 2. A final resort to keep yourself alive when the animatronic is in the room. But for some reason, springlock suit don't do that? 🤔
@@samuelviden7412 after William put on the suit, the spirit doesn't fade away. I guess it is because the spirit are not animatronics anymore that they can recognize him without the animatronic's facial recognition system interfere their movements to do a revenge towards any adults(like we see in fnaf 2)
It explained in the books
They forget he is William
@@SubZero-hs9xc Like, immediately? Even though they saw him get into the bloody thing?
Object permanence. What even is that? ☠️
To me, guys who made Fazbear's Fright also making the survival logbook doesn't make sence. In fnaf 3, you are the first and the last nightguard. The place is gone after you. But the logbook we have doesn't belong to Michael anymore. In the logbook, there's sticky note apologising for giving "us" (the current nightguard) a logbook that "someone else" already wrote in (Michael). Not to mention all the "guides" obvioulsy refrence fnaf 1 and not 3.
That’s a great point
I would like to point out that in mikes dialogue at the end of sister location he says that he "found her" and she was "right where you said" so william in some way was the one to let mike know where his sister was, and at the end mike says that the only thing left to do is find william, so that means his father is missing already and mike had found some sort of clue as to where his sister was that was left by his father, also keep in mind that william destroying the animatronics doesn't necessarily happen at the same time that he gets stuck in springtrap, he destroyed them took the parts to use the remnant on the sister location animatronics, and then after elizabeth dies he goes back to the location and gets cornered by the spirits which are still lingering, this makes sense in that the location that shut down is fnaf 1 and both elizabeth and william are dead for a while before mike finally finds elizabeth and then he goes looking for his father but doesn't know where to find him, because also keep in mind it the events of sister location DO NOT happen right after elizabeths death there is actually time that passes so it would make sense that both mikes father AND sister disappear right after fnaf 1 and he can't find them until he gets a clue of some sort like something written by his father, and then after he the events of sister location which would happen a while after fnaf 1 and elizabeths death, mike would go look for his father and find him at fazbears frights, this would also make more sense for pizzaria sim if all of the animatronics in that game were only RECENTLY freed as it doesn't make sense that ennard would be roaming free for WELL OVER 30 YEARS before they were finally found and brought into the fnaf 6 location, so baby, ennard, and william have only been free for a short while after having been trapped in their own locations for many many years.
I really like this idea for the timeline, sister location is definitely the trickiest to figure out where its place in the timeline is besides the gameplay of fnaf 4 but I think you nailed it, I can't think of anything that would contradict the series of events you proposed. Great job on this
Honestly, I'd pin FNAF 4's gameplay between 1983 and 1987 100%. Assuming we're playing Michael, most likely closer to 83 or 84.
The question is... How fuckin old is he?
At a guess, in 1983 he's maybe 13-16, maybe younger, but ABSOLUTELY not an adult. Any younger and he realistically *cant* be in FNAF 2, he'd be underage (unless they took 16-17 year olds??). At minimum roughly 13-14 maybe, depending on birthday.
@@higueraft571 or the unlikely option, he lied about his age? I mean since he goes by different names every time he’s fired, maybe it’s not too much of a stretch to think that’s not the only thing he lied about?
My brain hurts, in a good way i would say
I figured FNAF 4 is first, then MCI, then Fnaf 2 and SBPW at the same time. The gameplay would be years later right before fnaf 1. I dont see why Michael can't be a walking corpse while in Fnaf 1 and it seems as if he is filling out the logbook while on his security job, which has Michael remembering SL (I make a distinction between the red pen drawings and the fully coloured pages referencing 3 cause the 3 location is purposefully Fazbear nostalgia. Phone dude could have designed his office off this memorabilia). Plus we know he was the guard in 3 and he was undeniably scooped at that point so theres nothing stopping him from doing that twice. In contrast to this sequence of events, I always thought Elizabeth died before "Evan" did, but I don't think that works well timeline wise. Its also mentioned in 3 recordings that there were Freddy's locations that had springlock suits too, so multiple locations were open while the Diner was still running. Freddy's was already marketable in 1983 and the Fredbear and Friends was already a commerical success, so CBPW could have opened as early as during 4, since the girls room is empty, even if the story takes place way later. William leaving the rental buisness as a side hustle and Remnant test sight for a about a decade makes sense to me personally. (It could be 4+CBPW, MCI, 2+CB rental, SL, 1, 3) I try to see events through characters lives and not really games that stop and start but i'm not an expert and am probably missing important info.
That works (I think?)
This guy's slept on
Your video on Midnight Motorist was pretty good. I'm glad you decided to keep doing FNAF videos.
8:55, wow I didn’t actually think it like that. It lines up cleanly.
3:11 Well we are greeted with sight of a burnt down Fazbear Fright in The SL Custom Night ending cutscene….
Well The Fredbear plush is spotted in the office during The Fake Ending of Sister Location and Sister Location Ultimate Custom Night…..We Can Conclude that Sister Location Happens AFTER FNAF 4 but it’s placement in the timeline is a huge mystery.
I always thought it this way.
Circus baby's pizza world was made after fredbear's closed. And it may have been opened after the original freddy fazbear's pizza. But it didn't last long.
Henry knew william did the murders, but he was in so much denial he never exposed him for it. Denial is a major thing with henry. He denies charlie is really gone, and he even admits he shoulda done something about william and the possessed animatronics ages ago. But if we were to go by midnight motorist and if william IS the orange man... William was only banned from coming back.
William discovered about remnant and possession after his first murders which would give him motivation to make the sister location to continue his work. It doesn't last long due to elizabeth getting snatched and grinded to paste, and gas leaks.
Instead of burning her, william kept her. Only to use them for rental use. To catch birthday boys and girls and extract their remnant with the scooper.
Michael dies to it ofc and becomes a corpse.
After being scooped... There is a few things im thinking of.
Since bonnie and foxy's spirits had their real names used as aliases... Michael must have known about william's murders.
Jeremy COULD be coincidence, but Fritz isn't. Handunit in sister location says freddy fazbear's pizza had closed. This could imply 3 things.
The first freddy's. (1985)
The new and improved freddy's. (1987)
Or the low budget freddy's (1993)
Circus baby's pizza world being the sister location of freddy fazbear's pizza (og) would just make sense. Elizabeth died after 1983. 1985 isn't too far from her death date.
How old michael is..well.. He's a teenager of course. If he was 14, he'd be 18 in 1987. A bit older and he'd be in his 20s.
Michael did die young in sister location, so it's not too far fetched if he began working.
"Im going to come find you". Michael does not know where william is..but to get some directions..he starts working at freddy fazbear's pizza. Fritz works at the new and improved freddy fazbear's pizza after a string of murders there. With william killing and abducting the bodies before puppet and freddy save them. Course that would go viral, which gave michael his first clue.
So yeah... I believe sister location takes place before fnaf 2. And seeing how fazbear entertainment has low standards...getting a job there is extremely easy and quick. Besides... A nightshift application must have opened once jeremy was moved to dayshift which gave michael his opening.
If there are flaws, and questions.. Feel free to tell me
I honestly find it acceptable for SL to exsist in the timespan of 1985 to early 2000s and take place in the general area of fnaf 1. Good job!
I can’t remember who but someone said a certain date in 2008 I don’t recall the exact date, but I remember them saying it was July of 2008. I think they said they found the theory in the game files or they were just paying attention to something
Late to this, but I always interpreted SL being after the missing children incident in '85 but before fnaf2. The reason being that it seems widely accepted that Michael Afton is both Fritz Smith (fnaf2 night 6) and Mike Schmidt (fnaf1), and both get fired for tampering with animatronics and odor. The odor makes sense if he was scooped, like he is at the end of SL, and decayed to the point that Ennerd left his body. This could put the spring lock suits Baby talks about in a Circus Baby's location in or around '85. We don't know when William dies, but it's before fnaf1 due to Freddy and Bonnie having buttons in the fnaf3 minigames that play at the end of each night, like the withered versions from fnaf2, but are not present in fnaf 1, so I don't know 100% about the Springtrap cutscene, but it could be around fnaf2. As for tampering with animatronics, as mentioned earlier, it makes sense if Michael figured out that Baby was possessed, and was possibly trying to find a way to help the other spirits while working in fnaf 1 and 2 locations
4:15 In the tape after mentioning the retirement of the suits, he alludes to the MCI(mentioning that the Springbonnie suit was moved and reminding people to not take people into the safe rooms or use the springsuits). So the 'Multiple Springlock Failure' incident happened right before the MCI. This also implies the original opening of Circus Baby's Pizza World was probably around 1986. Close enough for there to be an unused Springlock design for the place, as the phase out only started 6 months prior, and making the 85 closing the one Handyunit is referring to.
Depending on how much time has passed and how much you trust Scott on designs this could suggest the events of Sister Location proper happening right before FNAF 2. That gives Funtime Foxy a chance for her scraps to be turned into Mangle, and allows Micheal to smell by the time he gets to FNAF 2. William might well be missing because he's on the run from the DCI and probably using a fake name like Dave Miller(The Week Before mentions a guy named Dave works there) as FNAF 2 also implies William worked as Guard 01 under a fake name.
I think it's much easier to say that there's a missing sister's room in fnaf 4, so circus baby's pizza world is before 1983. And the MCI souls are in the funtimes so circus baby's entertainment and rental is after fnaf 1.
And the spinglock suit not being used for what it's supposed to be used for doesn't mean it's used for murder. In the silver eyes afton uses a spinglock suit to kidnap carlton.
I mean Michael isn’t in every room at once does that mean he’s dead? She could just be with William since he apparently takes her with him to work.
@@siresquawks I believe the Springlock suits being present at Circus Baby’s Pizza World gives us the definitive answer to it being open during or prior to fnaf4 and that the original Freddys location would also have to be opened in 1983 and not 1985.
Read the following:
“Uhm, so. After learning of an unfortunate incident at the sister location involving multiple and simultaneous spring lock failures, the company has deemed the suits temporaily unfit for employees. Safety is top priority at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, which is why the classic suits are being retired to an appropriate location, while being looked at by our technicians. Until replacements arrives, you'll be expected to wear the temporary costumes provided to you. Keep in mind, they were found on very short notice, so questions about appropriateness/relevance should be deflected. I repeat, the classic suits are not to be touched, activated or worn. That being said, we are free of liability, do as you wish. As always, remember to smile. You are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza."
The sister location presented here is Fredbears Family Diner, it is the only location we get to see a Springlock failure which is the Bite of 83. We know that after the bite, the Springlock suits at all Fazbear locations are to be stores away due to company policy change. This also implies that the classic animatronics at this Freddys were also Springlock suits. Its why they are moved into the saferooms to begin with. We then hear that William “moves” a springbonnie suit and are told not to go into a saferoom by phone guy. This indicates during the process of moving the animatronics William commits the mci murders.
“Hello, hello! Uhm, this is just a reminder of company policy concerning the safe room. The safe room is reserved for equipment and or other property not currently being used, and as a backup safety location for employees only. This is not a break room, and should not be considered a place for employees to hide and or (Don't understand what is being said), and under no circumstance should a customer EVER be taken into this room, and out of the main show area. Management has also been made aware, that the Spring Bonnie animatronic, has been noticeably moved. We would like to remind employees, that this costume is not safe to wear under any circumstances. Thank you, and remember to smile, you are the face of Freddy Fazbear's Pizza."
So Baby’s location has to be opened prior to the springlocks being recalled and discontinued due to the bite of 83 which then in turn makes Elizabeth death prior to fnaf4 minigames which is supported by the fact she is absent in fnaf4 and regardless if you believe Bite Victim or Michael is the kid who runs away in “Later That Night” Elizabeth still is nowhere to be seen.
@@siresquawks Furthermore, I believe the events of SL take place prior to events of fnaf2. Well Ill specify. I believe the building itself had been around prior to FNAF2 as only the first Freddys location would fit the criteria of a “successful” location. I believe Mike however arrives there after fnaf2 gameplay due to William being on the run after committing the Save Them murders. We hear the police have been involved and William under an alias flees the company. You could presume that he had been found and was now behind bars. (Not for committing murder but for identity fraud.) He tells Michael to go to SL while he is in jail and serves a sentence that ranges from 4 to 11 years in Utah.
Depending on when you believe fnaf1 takes place ((as in year)) William would be out in time after that location had been closed down.
@@glamrockfriend “A wound first inflicted on me.” Elizabeth’s death wasn’t a murder in the same sense as the rest. Regardless, several locations are open at the same time so Charlie still could have died prior to Elizabeth though under the guide that “Later That Night” isn’t after Charlies death but rather after the bite.
@@glamrockfriend Charolettes death had no influence however on the bite of 83 nor Elizabeths death. They were both accidents, especially the bite which was an instance of Michael causing it and not William.
Even under your terminology you presented nothing that concludes Elizabeth died after the bite. While I provided 3 instances of proof that she died prior.
Also did you consider ennard tampering with the logbook when it had full control over Micheal? And fazbear frights the horror attraction using a similar logbook to make the "location feel completely authentic" or Cassidy tampering with the images to direct Michael to the fnaf 3 location which we see at the end of sister location after the point even ennard could have tampered with the book, and probably did......
About the thriving Pizzeria thing, it could just be that the rental opened after FNAF 2 or the first Freddy’s location closed (more likely FNAF 2 because William seemed to have stepped away from F.E. at that point), that the employee introduction just wasn’t updated. Just like how select mini games in FNAF 2 take place before FNAF 2 and how the FNAF 4 nights could take place much later than the mini games.
After going through the little posters in FNAF 2 I noticed that it says New Freddy Fazbear's (Pizzeria), which could mean that the original Freddy's could have been called Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria. And we know that FNAF 1s location is named Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, so maybe, just maybe, hand unit is talking about the opening of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals, not Circus Baby's Pizza World, and if this is the cases then maybe William opened sister location right after FNAF 1. But who knows, it just a theory.🤔😉
That’s what I originally thought, but after playing the game again, that’s not how the information is presented to us.
Hand unit specifically says that there was room for another contender in children’s entertainment. It’s also worth noting that Circus Baby’s is only open for 1 day, before closing and the animatronics being moved. Never once in Baby or Handunit’s dialog is it implied that there is a significant time gap between Circus Baby’s and the rental facility’s creation.
So sister location has to play by the rules of being fully after (including circus baby’s) a Freddy’s location closes. And since Fnaf 1 is the last location, and at some point in Freddy’s history Springlocks were banned and sealed away, for Circus Baby’s to have spring lock suits, it has to be formed before Fnaf 1. If it was formed after there would be no spring lock suits.
Also according to the newspaper and phone guy Fnaf 2 is just called Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. The grand reopening of Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. The new and improved Freddy Fazbear’s pizza. But still Freddy Fazbear’s pizza.
Woah! Love the theories man, glad to be here early on! I’ve been binge watching fnaf lore videos recently and damn the story is complicated haha
One of the posters talking about the missing kids it says culprit was apprehended so instead of him getting spring locked and going missing he goes to prison, then he does the second missing kids incident or something but if William goes to jail it will have a major impact on the timeline
It also implies he wasn’t convicted. Meaning he did no time. Help wanted also says “nothing was ever proven in a court of law” confirming this. William never did time as far as we know.
I always thought Sister Location is taking place some time after the Fredbear's closed and Classic Unwithered band were taken down and before the Toy animatronics were put on a stage as a new attraction..
That's something I did consider
@@siresquawksI prefer the idea of taking place between 4 and 2 tbh. Idk why
@@Z3RO5286its def after fnaf 1
Interesting theory, but I'd like to add some of my thoughts; Firstly, the Circus baby rental was created due to the success and the closing of a Freddy's, aka the disruption of Afton's child harvesting operations and the animatronics were made with child catching in mind even before this disruption. This means Circus Baby's Pizzeria was also likely made after a similar event causing Afton's operations to be disrupted.
Secondly in fnaf 1, the newspaper clippings say the killer was caught, this could be a fall guy for Afton, or it could be the man himself. If Afton he wouldn't be able to create the circus baby rental service.
I believe that Circus Baby's Pizzeria was made after the unseen OG location closed down to fill in the gaps in Afton's operations, which closed due to Elizabeth's death, and then the rental service was created after fnaf2 using the preexisting child-catching animatronics.
This complicates things if Afton was actually caught after fnaf 2 since he wouldn't be able to run the rental service, although if he was caught he wouldn't be able to create new animatronics so there would be even more of a reason to reuse the Circus baby models.
Which sort of implies that Afton has people working with him. This would also mean more people knew about his research providing a helpful explanation for who created Fazber's LLC since Afton's research might've gotten into the hands of people who wanted to replicate it and created the Pizzaplex/Fazbear's LLC for this very purpose.
Also on Afton's death, I believe he dies after the events of Fnaf 1 after he gets out of prison and goes to Freddy's, subsequently dying. Meaning the events go something like this.
-Unseen location closes
_Circus baby's pizzeria and animatronics are created but scrapped due to Elizabeth's death
-Fnaf 2 location created
-Afton resumes child harvesting but is caught and arrested this time, of note is the bodies are not found and there is likely a lack of evidence due to the fact.
-Michael does fnaf 1
-Afton contacts Michael but goes dark immediately after dying in fnaf1
-sister location happens
-the fnaf3 and onwards happens idk.
I agree with the gist of your argument, but in Help Wanted it's confirmed that "Nothing was ever proven in a court of law" meaning that even if people tried to charge William he got away with it. Since help wanted is a later release it has priority over prior descriptions. So I wouldn't worry too much about the legal implications of William's actions.
@@siresquawks well I'm glad you feel I at least got the gist of it right, I felt a bit unsure about William going to prison but felt of the two ideas I was iffy about it was the most plausible.
The other being William also experimented on himself using remnant based on her appearance in the books going from younger and roundish to taller and eviler looking, but the books aren't cannon anyways except for some lore things like remnant(?)
It's possible that the fall guy from the FnaF 1 newspaper is Henry. It could explain why he was absent prior to the events of Pizzaria Simulator
My question is: where in this timeline are two MCIs?
Those newspapers are glimpses to the past. The Freddy’s that closes “by year’s end” is the original one with the OG MCI. Also I’m pretty sure Henry is running the Freddy Fazbear places, not William.
I mean Freddy's 1 closes anyways during the game, and ultimately it honestly doesn't change much who runs 1.
I think Sister Location was open when both Elizabeth and Evan were alive. And Circus Baby taking Elizabeth was the reason Evan is so scared to go to Freddy's. And same with the mine control disks. And Sister Location gameplay takes place after FNAF 1 and before FNAF 3.
The issue with this is Fredbear's is still open during the minigames of fnaf 4. Phone guy in fnaf 2 mentions that Fredbear's has been closed for a long time, yet the old Freddy's is treated as more recent.
That's important because as I bring up in the video, Handunit says that Circus Baby's was made to fill in for the recently closed Freddy's.
And THAT'S important because as I later learned, in the source code of the sister location "Canceled due to leaks." teaser, in which Circus Baby's closes after it's 1 and only test day (which is the one Elizabeth Dies on), one of comments from an unknown representative says to look out for Circus Baby in your local party, implying the rental service. Which means the rental service and Baby's Pizzeria are extremely close to eachother chronologically.
So, if Freddy's had closed, and then the rental service was made, therefore Elizabeth's death on that test day is around the time or after a Freddy's closes down. And since every Freddy's location closes after Fredbear's, Elizabeth dies after the Bite Victim.
While I mostly agree with this, I feel like it's worth pointing out that the fnaf 4 minigames should have to happen after midnight motorist, as the crying child is implied to still be alive and well
Watch my Midnight Motorist episode or Ryetoast’s timeline episodes, they cover MM pretty well.
Short answer, It’s not crying child running away but Michael running off. Crying child is already dead.
My headcanon is that it takes place concurrently with William's death because of the "I'm coming to find you" line. Basically after Fnaf 1 William sent Michael down to Circus Baby's to clean his own mess up while, after starting to get suspicious his son is catching on due to the events of the first Fnaf game, he goes off to get rid of the haunted animatronics. So after SL William is MIA as no-one alive knows he's been springlocked. If Michael was undead before Fnaf 1 it'd be weird how he's able to hold down a job. I know, "odor", but that could just have a mundane explanation or be a toilet humor joke
To add to this theory. People would argue Elizabeth's age, but there are 2 things to take into consideration. *ONE* : everyone assumes Elizabeth was born when "Evan" Afton was still alive, but we don't actually know that for sure, and that is because *TWO* : the girls room seen in FNAF 4 was actually the mothers room. She just wasn't seen in the game. This could also explain why "Evan" is the only child being monitored, because at the time, he was the youngest member of the family.
Most of the time the mother or wife sleeps with her husband in the same room so im pretty sure thats lizzies room
@@ok-sg4pz sure ofc there's always that little fact of norm. Counterpoint, "most of the time"
@Jonée Lillard It could be possible that after Mrs. Afton was out of the picture, the room could've become either a storage room in a way or possibly a playroom/comfort place that the Crying Child played in. I don't know, it could also be possible something happened where Foxybro destroyed the Mangle toy in the room for he had also (PRESUMABLY) tore the Foxy plushies head off, and had just left the remains there
(Just a thought)
The first point may actually be confirmed by the FNAF movie, since, assuming the Schmidt kids somehow stand in for the Afton kids in the games, then Abby being born after Garrett went missing could imply that Elizabeth was born after Evan died.
@@tau-5794kinda a stretch though, could be possible seeing the current agreed on lore but other than there being 3 siblings, a dead younger brother, a sister (which is ofc, alive), and a older brother. Also you have to take in account that it could be a similar situation like with the books where it's, it's own canon with some stuff filling in the plot holes the games have
My Timeline:
Fnaf 4, 1985 location, Sister Location, Fnaf 2, Fnaf 1, Fnaf 3, Fnaf 6, UCN, Fnaf VR Help Wanted, Fnaf AR, Security Breach
Sister Location pretty safely happens after 1. Michael wouldn't even be a legal ADULT before 2 (where he may JUST be 18). And, the "odor" reason... really isn't that strong, at all.
Also forgot AR
i haven't checked on the fnaf series in a few years, and a few weeks ago I decided to watch a few videos about the plot, and like, man the lore is so goofy 💀💀💀
incredibly smart spaghetti terminators in the 80s, so cool, so awesome
2:35 Mike draws Nightmare Fredbear, meaning this is after the events of FNAF 4(Like the actual game, not the Party Minigames). Fun with Plushtrap exists and occurs before that point and is based on Springtrap. So the Logbook happens after Mike is already working at FNAF 3, and in fact might be one of the old props they found.
Sister Location after FNaF 3
Plus, the point of the Logbook is that it's sold off in an auction following FNaF 6.
Keep it going mate, amazing video
that's a really good theory but i have a question, how do you take into account the fact that william destroys the original MCI possessed animatronics in the FNAF 3 follow me minigames. william has to die before phone guy bc the safe rooms are sealed while phone guy is still alive. if this is true then how are the animatronics intact and still possessed during FNAF 1, i guess you could say they were rebuilt but tbh it just feels like lazy writing, also it wouldn't make sense considering we see the spirits fade after william dies inside springbonnie
I think the FNaF 3 office was based off of the Security LogBook, as the LogBook is actually an in-universe item, and Michael was using it on the job, likely the FNaF 1 Pizzeria.
Honestly, it feels like you could put the events of Sister Location literally anywhere from Freddy's closing in 1985 to the creation of the Logbook if William just leaves town because of the MCI like he does in the books (hence Michael would get instructions to go down earlier and it explains why William is seemingly missing at that time).
Well all that kinda depends since judging by evidence maybe kinda but it seems like Elizabeth dies before CC and if that's true then not only does that explain the stomach mouth that some of the nightmare animatronics have maybe if he might have seen it while it was happening instead of just being there or something but remember FNAF 1 location is the same location of the missing children incident and was just reused in FNAF 1 later then it shuts down cuz no one really came after all the other events that happened so when William dismantles the robots he probably injected the Funtime animatronics with the remnant instead of just actually fully creating them from the FNAF 1 animatronics so he just gave them life with from the mixed souls of the kids and they kick out baby for being bossy or whatever and that leads to FNAF 6 after FNAF 3 so I think the order is unless you believe Charlie dies after or before the missing children incident since nightmare balloon boy it would go FNAF 2 location shuts down for a while after Charlie gets killed FNAF 1 location closes after the missing children incident closes circus baby opens Elizabeth dies it close at FNAF 4 happens with some of the nightmares where it's just the 4 animatronics that scared CC then he dies at Fredbear's it closes FNAF 2 location reopens by 1987 another missing children incident happens then the bite of 87 happens and it fully shuts down later on FNAF 1 location reopens with the same missing children incident robots but different design no one really comes there phone guy dies it closes down for good by then William knows the robots are possessed and wants the remnant goes there destroys the robots Injects the Funtime robots with remnant the souls of the original 5 dead kids take over those bodies instead the hard part about that is where do the other spirits come from that scare William and it could be the FNAF 2 ones but that would kinda be a stretch so the originals remember it was still a piece of their souls not the full part so a part of them scare William yata yata yata and then everything else happens big problem with that is that Micheal would be trying to free the spirits so it would only work if he was doing this stuff while William was even figuring remnant existed but before that it would have to be FNAF 2 custom night So before it fully closes I guess idk but I also realized what I wrote so in a way CC would have to die first before FNAF 1 got shut down the first time so Elizabeth would have to be somewhere else for that to work unless they die the same day but again that doesn't work if we assume CC died in 1983 so it would have to be Charlie dies 1983 CC died same year and depending on how long it would take for circus baby to start up then it would have to happen around mid 1985 or 86
Its 2:53 am here in Brazil, UA-cam just recommended it and, as English is my third language, it's not the best time to understand everything. But great video, anyway! 😅
Cutscenes take place near fnaf 1, gameplay is between fnaf 1 and 3, and the custom night occurs before fnaf 3
Customs night isn’t cannon according to Scott on release, just the cutscenes, unless that’s what you’re talking about.
@@siresquawks that's what I meant my b
I have a small theory that during fnaf 4 minigame, Elizabeth was a very smol child who was almost to an age to where she gets her own room and dies much later than Evan, side note, the twisted animatronics were a prototype for the sister location animatronics, anyway, after the events of fnaf 4 but before spring lock of course William has a secret project after working on twisted robots... the funtimes. Blah blah blah, Micheal doing nightguard stuff, eventually makes it to the sister location... ect. ect.
0:20 HandUnit says it was Freddy Fazzbear’s pizza 😑
I think the Elizabeth Baby stuff happens before FNaF 4 because Nightmare and Nightmare Fredbear have tummy teeth, meaning Crying Child witnessed the scooping, with the scooper coming out of the stomach of the animatronic. You never see Elizabeth afterwards. The ingame part most likely happens after FNaF 1 because of Springtrap in the secret ending.
so, how i understand sister location. this will take a bit, but i think mostly right:
-circus babys pizza world was opened in 1983. this is because springlock suits are still in use. phoney guy says in the fnaf 3 tapes that they get retired and after that someone (william) still uses them and then phone guy also says that you shouldnt bring people into the saferoom. this implies that the mci happened now, because that is the only time william used springbonnie to lure people into the saferoom. so cirucs babys pizza world has to be before june 26th 1985 or 1983. it doesnt matter which one you believe, it is before fnaf 2
-william stores the animatronics because he wants to use them later again and also because he realizes that his daughter now possesses circus baby. wouldnt make sense to scrap his daughter
-after fnaf 1 william then realizes that he still has a bunch of animatronics in his basement and that he can use them for more child murder. this also ligns up with handunit. he says the rental service was opened after the massive success of freddy fazbear's pizza. while this could reference a specific location, i think it is more likely that he talked about the pizzeria chain. because if this would be after fnaf 2, freddy's would still be planning to make new locations. there wouldnt be much room for a new contender, since they reopen the very next year. we know this because of the fnaf ar faz facts, which we can use like the emails, since scott said that he assumed illumix will put them in (yet illumix was lazy).
but what if handunit really meant a specific location? well fnaf 1 still was open from 1988 till 1993, so they needed to be at least moderatly successful.
-william then puts the remnant from the mci in the funtimes. thats why he takes the endos in the fnaf 3 minigames. he then returns to collect the suits as well, but ghosts and springlocks and stuff
-sister location is now up and running and at some point michael gets accepted as a worker. he tries to free his sister, like his father asked him to do and the rental service closes because no animatronics.
only real difference to your timeline is that the pizzeria was open in 1983 and the rental service only after 1993.
i think that covers everything. if you find any plotholes, let me know
10:15 I think that William was hoping that when wearing the suit the dead kids would just think that he is Spring Bonnie.
Me personally, I believe Sister Location takes place in 1986. I believe Michael would have been born in 1968
Here's the math and explanation:
1968 + 15 = 1983 (when I believe he was 15 in 1983) and 15 + 3 = 18
He would've been 18 years old when he gets the job of SL in 1986 when he is around 18, obviously this is all just my interpretation and not canon.
I also have some other evidence, he would have gone to work at FNaF2, FNaF1, FNaF3 and FNaF FFPS.
Again, please nobody get mad at me as I know how the FNaF fandom can be at times.
Eh it’s fine take. Definitely the soonest it could happen canonically.
@@siresquawks Yeah
I've also got a video suggestion
The flaws of FNaF games, for example: FNaF1's power thing doesn't seem to make any logical sense
Things covering that and all
@@vipergaming8746 Maybe
It’s the cops 👮♂️ 👮♂️are questioning what circus baby 🎊 🎉 could do mr Afton said she can dance 💃 she’s can sing 🎤 she’s equipped with a built in helium translating ballon’s right at finger tips,she can take song requests she can even dispense ice cream 🍦
you assumed the "father im going to come find you" was during/right after sister location, but the moment he says that springtrap awakes in the middle of burned wreckage (so right after fnaf 3) i think
Yeah but what’s important is that he’s describing sister location like it just happened, what we’re seeing is disconnected chronologically from what we’re hearing.
Can you imagine how much money they lost on shutting down Circus Baby's Pizzeria on opening day?
That kinda goes into my point of Fnaf 1 being on such a shoestring budget, between 2 being open for a week and sister location being reduced to a rental service with no food or coin op profits can’t be great.
it's easy. Circus Baby's Pizza World existed during 1987 since that's the time William Afton watched his son through the cameras. You're forgetting that the grand opening of this location was "cancelled" (due to "leaks"), and only a few children managed to take a look inside - Elizabeth died there and William Afton was questioned on Baby's design. Then the place shut down and the building was left for sale. Sometime between 83 and 87, after Freddy Fazbear's Pizza (the location of the 5 missing children's incident according to FNAF 1) shut down, someone bought Circus Baby's location - this time the animatronics would be rented for private parties. Michael Afton gets there any time during/after William Afton has been left to rot inside Springtrap (cus he was told to find "her" prior to his father getting springlocked, he also has 30 years to get there so no problem).
i went full nerd here. I must admit the beginning of your video helped me place the final pieces
I feel like ID Fantasy's theory also explaisn very well why SL should occur before FNaF 1
The explanation why William used the Spring Bonnie suit during the final scene in Fnaf 3 was something I never thought about. Good find!
The logbook is after Fnaf 1 because of 1 simple clue… Nightnare Fredbear. We know this happens after Fnaf 1 because of Fnaf 4 gameplay being a parallel to Fnaf 1. We also hear Phone Guy’s phone calls in reverse in the background.
I've been considering this idea for awhile, the only thing throwing me off is whether William would be on the run or not post-FnaF 2. If he wasn't distanced from the company, then it would make sense why he'd be able to make a new company and location.
Circus babys pizza world takes place in the early fredbears family diner era, circus baby and rentals (where we play) takes place after the closing of fnaf 1 (2000s)?
No. The “Canceled due to leaks” teaser’s source code states “If anything, it was just too soon for such an ambitious venture. There is still a bright future for Circus Baby, so be watching for her to appear at a neighborhood party near you!” Referring to the closing of Circus Baby’s pizza world and the shift to rental services for local small parties. They happen right after each other. So if the rental service is after Freddy’s like Hand unit says, then they are both after a Freddy’s closes, which is a minimum of 1985, max 2003.
I think the sticker for me is Elizabeth's age. We get hints that there is a sister in fnaf 4, which means Elizabeth is already born and old enough to have her own room. Given that she was still very young when she died, Circus Baby's Pizza World had to have opened somewhere in the 80s, which completely invalidates the high-tech arguments that are thrown around.
Wait Fazbear frights was a condemned Freddy’s, could that have been Freddy’s 0?
But if Michael is the FnaF 1 night guard he'd currently be inhabited by Ennard if SL if there on the timeline...
No?
The springlock suits being super high tech makes ZERO sense. WHy the heck would you ever make an animatronic have a suit mode *unless* there were things that the animatronics weren't capable of. If the animatronic modes at the time were super simple and incapable of even walking around, that would make a ton of sense as to why they would also be wearable. Especially coming from Fazbear Ent, who's company motto might as well be "Cut any and all corners".
My point was more that tech that shouldn’t be possible for the time isn’t an argument.
And yes the animatronics could walk phone guy says they have sound recognition to move to where kids are. That’s why Springtrap goes to balloon boy’s laugh, his suit which is in animatronic mode want to go to where the children are.
@@siresquawks Oh right, I'd forgotten about that detail. I still don't understand why Fazbear Ent. would go through the extra effort and money to create an animatronic that doubles as a costume if the animatronic can already do everything a suit actor can and probably then some as they wouldn't need breaks like a human would.
I've only gotten back into the fnaf lore in like the last 2 months so I am wondering where we heard that the springlock suits are able to hear and recognize the location children are. I thought that was a toy animatronic thing only. Then in fnaf 3 William went to the sounds just because he was trying to find people.
Fnaf 3. Stated by tape phone guy.
I just want to say, not sure if anyone else has said this, but in the mini game reveal where the crying child gets bitten, there was an empty girls room. Everyone was wondering where the siter was. Well, this game was literally named "Sister Location" and it's where his sister was.
I can answer that: pre 2009. Why? Michael's TV. The TV is a box TV and not a flat screen TV, which came out in 1997 and became popular in the 2000's. However, we can narrow this down a bit further to 1997 to 1999 if we want to rule out all of 2000 - 2009. So we have a 2 year time gap of 1997 to 1999, so I would say 1998 as a middle ground.
Could circus baby or another Funtime animatronic be the irrelevant mascot given to the employees of the first FFP after the springlocks were retired? I think the popular location that SL talks about is the first FFP so it would make sense that those springlocks were never used the way they were intended. It is very possible that the night 4 springlock is either the exact spring bonnie William used to lure the children or an original FFP springlock from either the fnaf 3 phone call location or the first FFP sister location.
As much as I like this take and think it would work super well, the teasers for SL specifically name drop “Circus Baby’s Pizza World” and how it closed on its first day due to “gas leaks” which is the cover up for the Funtime Murders. So baby did have her own location.
@@siresquawks I agree it just doesn’t sit right with me the way she talks about other locations almost as if it’s really Elizabeth talking about those places. It doesn’t make sense that baby knows so much about FFP and spring lock suits when her location existed for one day.
@@Crash-Home Oh it is weird don't get me wrong, but that's what the story implies. But she does say that suit came from her pizzeria so, I guess after she snap crackle popped Elizabeth William walked over in costume to see the day's catch in horror.
I think sisterlocation takes place after frights burns down as when micheal talks to his father we see will come out of the burnt remains of frights meaning that the game takes place a while after 3. And soster location could take place in 96 as we see from mikes house and the show he watches.
I’ll do you one better, WHO is sister location?
I considered titling this that honestly, but I felt people would just get confused and not get the bit.
HIS NAME IS FNAF
damn this makes sense
I really like your proposition.
Is there evidence the CC / BV is named Evan? I thought there was but its kinda meh how its obtainable in the Log Book. SL is one of my favorite FNAF games.
Nah it’s something I used early on but cut
Wasn't Ennard in Michael's body for years, so the end scene where Springtrap wakes from the ashes doesn't take place directly after Sister Location ends
Years? It only takes a couple weeks for a body to rot. It's never implied it took "Years" for Ennard to leave.
Oh I though you meant circus babies pizza works was after fnaf4
I place sister location’s gameplay in the 86-87 range but CBPW around 82-83 with William killing Charlie first then made the fun times not long after due to the puppets weirdness as Charlie starts taking control
I don’t think Sister Location is after Fnaf 1, doesn’t really make a lot of sense for Michael to wait this long to go to the bunker his dad built to retrieve Elizabeth. I think it could be either between the MCI (1985) and Fnaf 2 or between Fnaf 2 and Fnaf 1
William went into hiding, following FNaF 3.
When he was in hiding, Mike was scooped and began living in shadows, cue the Mike speech.
Then Mike lands a job in the FNaF 6 location after the intended employee is killed by Elizabeth. Afton then shows up in the FNaF 6 location, like Mike, and Henry, anticipated.
well, I think a part of what could help here is how long was Ennard Michael? five days, five weeks, five months, five years?
Mike wouldn’t be a corpse after that much exposure. It’d be a couple weeks.
Wouldn't Michael already be rotting in FNAF 2 since he gets fired there for having bad odor?
9:24 mm yes, good experiment
I know you prolly won't see this but im throwing my hat in the ring: I think Sister Location takes place before FNAF 2.
The FNAF 3 Call about the safe rooms being sealed seems like it was trying to hide something (i.e. William being dead), which means Phone Guy is ALIVE, so his Springlocking would be before FNAF 1. Plus, the paper clippings saying the restaurant would close by years end are about the original Freddy's Zero rather than the FNAF 1 location. It also lines up with Michael's whole "Im going to come find you" thing and what William is doing.
Afton skips town after the missing childrens incident and Mike's only note is the to save Elizabeth. Cue Sister Location, and Mike is now saying "im going to come find you." Freddy's reopens (FNAF 2) and William pops by, only for Mike (as Fritz) to just miss him. Similar case with FNAF 1, Mike goes to find William at a reopened Freddy's but William is in the safe room and he cant find him. FNAF 3 is when the two reunite and FNAF 6 has them finish everything. It also adds context to the "odor" connection.
Meanwhile, William kills 5 kids for remnant after Baby fucks uo with Elizabeth, Freddy’s is closed and William opens up CBEAR to get more using the old CBPW assets and new "Funtimes". However, he is caught by the police. Everyone knows he did it but hes freed due to no evidence. With that, he skips town and leaves Mike to do his dirty work. Learning that Mike lived and the funtimes escaped, he needs more remnant but has to stay out of plane sight. Cue FNAF 2 where he kills 5 kids w/ a security guard guise but stops because the other animatronics go after him (maybe he left the bodies because he was trying to escape the withered robots?). The place is closed and he needs more remnant. When he hears Freddy's is reopening, he sneaks in to obtain the old characters remnant w/ a security guard guise but gets springlocked.
It even works thematically with them both being security guards at the Freddy’s location's for their own goals, but always missing the mark.
You could argue 'well what is ennard doin durin that time' but also mike and the puppet did squat for like 30 years so hey.
Elizabeth dieing has to be the start of the timeline. I'll explain why later
Why later?
Anyways, she doesn't die early on. The only thing stated about Circus Baby's is that it's formed after Freddy's closes. That's 1985, 1987, or 2003 all of which are after 1983 when the Bite victim dies.
If it's after a Freddy's closes then Elizabeth is at earliest the 8th person to die (Bite Victim, Charlie, and the 5 MCI Kids).
Having a code "1983" implies the room was made in reaction to something, or that that year was significant, not that that year is when the place was built or anything like it. So, our only clue is being after Freddy's which like I said is always after several prior kids.
@@siresquawks yes but Baby says no one was the wiser when Elizabeth died. The party still went on because no one was there to witness it. Plus we don't know for sure that the place was shut down due to Elizabeth's death since we do see the funtimes still being sent out for parties and workers still in the underground storage space.
Also William couldn't of made the funtimes primarily for capturing kids because if he did so then there would be red flags everywhere that another Freddy animatronic is being left with children.
We know that Circus Baby's opened after the first Freddy's but we don't for sure if Elisabeth died while it was open, there is the sisters room after all and that William is keeping a very close eye on his kids for seemingly no reason.
@@siresquawks and I don't have time to type out all my info at once so that's why I said I'll send it later.
@@DJBurns-jq8mn The reason would be to watch his two remaining kids after one of them stuck the other's head in a golden bear robot's mouth.
And we know for a fact that the funtimes are meant to kill kids because that's why and how Baby killed Elizabeth, and every Funtime animatronic has blueprints explaining how they lure kids away.
Baby literally says that Circus Baby's was open for one day, and on that day, she killed Elizabeth. After that they were put in the bunker and then rented out instead of being in a Pizzeria.
And none of that Changes Elizabeth dying after 7 other kids since Freddy's has already closed.
@@siresquawks but if Elisabeth is still around during the week up to the bite of 83 and cc is already afraid of the animatronics then what reason would William's have to watch them through cameras from the house all the way to the pizzeria. And the Funtimes wouldn't exist at that point anyway since at that point the only animatronics around were Fredbear, Spring Bonnie and the Puppet so there would be no reason to make a Funtime Freddy, Foxy or Chica.
And the main reason why I say the Circus Baby's wouldn't of closed because of Elisabeth death is that what the minigame shows us and Baby's story doesn't add up. A few examples are that it's implied they were indoors as Baby says the kids kept coming in and out repeatedly, the number of kids don't add up and the order Baby see's them isn't correct either and Baby doesn't know why she did what she did and couldn't help herself but then later she implies that she knew all along or at least knew why she was made to it.
Freddy's was opened or was going to open as a sister location to Fredbear' Family Diner as said by most of the recordings and calls we get, so both establishments would of been open at the same time (RyeToast goes into more detail in his 4 part timeline video if your curious). The Midnight motorist minigame shows Jr's which could be the original Freddy Fazbear's Pizza as William, a former owner who is a suspect, wouldn't be allowed to enter.
While my theory has holes in it, it does hold some ground in my opinion. William wouldn't of set up the bunker, the Fredbear plushes, force cc to not go to certain places by reminding him of what he saw and allow Michael or whoever it was in the Foxy mask to continuously scary cc to the point where cc knows "Michael" would hide under the bed to scare him unless someone or something had him to to extreme lengths to do so.
Also, the BB, JJ and DD animatronics could of been apart of Circus Baby's due to the similar designs and human like appearance and Ballora may or may not be there as well as she would likely be a Mr's Afton stand in.
0:33 are FNaF 1&2 supposed to be the restaurants OR the gameplay?
Both
THE FACT IS THAT SL IS *AFTER* FNAF 1 BECAUSE FUNTIME YENDOS (Ennard) ARE FNAF 1 ROBOT'S IGNITED REMNANTS, IT CAN'T BE BEFORE FNAF 1 BUT ALSO CAN'T BE AFTER BECAUSE MICHEAL WAS SCOOPED AT FNAF 1, HOW GOD!!!
EDIT: I think my comment needs proof. So Ennard is FNaF 1's robot's endo's ignited versions because if they are in "The Fourth Closet," they can't be just random wires because the wires can move the animatronic with the help of souls. and for FNaF 1, it is after SL, which we know from the logbook and odor.
hmm here a penny for your thoughts , what if the afton in the beginning of sister location, explaining all of baby’s features, isn’t william but actually micheal
Michael must’ve gone through reverse puberty to switch to a Mitch higher register by the end of the game to sound way younger.
Hmm... i don't really know but
*maybe* after FNAF 1...
Is it possible that Ennard's mask was a previous version of the Puppet?
honestly i think fnaf sl takes place in 1994 or 1995
after fnaf 1
Nice
ImpulseEvan_37 says Fnaf 1 takes place after Fnaf 2 and Sister Location takes place after Fnaf 1. Then after Sister Location comes Fnaf 4 because if you didn’t know, in Fnaf 4 we play as Michael, not Evan. Then comes 3 and after that is Fnaf 6 and Finally Security Breach.
Did... Did you even watch the video?
@@siresquawks yeah, but I was just saying what the other channel I watch says just for fun. Also my dumbass decided to comment before the video was even finished and when I was only about 7 minutes in.😓🤦🏻♂️
@@lizletilburn6011 No problem, but I was confused because it basically was what I said in the video. Hope you enjoyed it.
I think it happens around 1986
I thought it was in 1985, but maybe I heard wrong.
That’s the original MCI
FINALLY! THANKS GOD THANKS!!!
But wouldn’t Mike have to have gotten scooped before FNAF2 because he got fire due to odor at the end of that game?
I did consider this, but enough went against this placement for me to think otherwise.
FNAF 2's killings are at most days apart. You think 5 rotting corpses wouldn't cause some SERIOUS stink?
Also how the hell do you think he'd even get hired for FNAF 2 AND 1 AND 3, if he's a nasty-ass *literal* walking corpse? FNAF 3 you could say Remnant repairs his body over time, FNAF 1/2 he simply isnt a corpse yet.
I’ve never understood the issue with this game. Baby’s pizza world was probably opened after the first Freddy’s (or second) closed then YEARS later mike goes down n the events of the game happen. Why would pizza world have to be right before sister location? It’s like Freddy’s one, we just didn’t see it.
There's two Circus Baby's.
The original one, and the second one that reused the FNaF 1 location.
@ fnaf 1?
@@yes_hello_how_are_you Yes, we're shown that a secondary elevator from FNaF 1 leads to the CBEaR bunker in Help Wanted.
We're also shown that Circus Baby's Pizza World is connected to CBEaR in Help Wanted 2 and the Steam description.
@ huh
@@yes_hello_how_are_you What?
Doesn't Elisabeth have to be dead before the crying child tho?
Not really. Yeah her room is “empty” but since William is later shown to bring her with him it could just be that, or she’s just anywhere else like at Freddy’s. That or Scott just didn’t know what to do with her yet and only implied her existence.
0:42 Literally the most obvious thing, yet no-one brings it up.
But you lost me at ‘Evan’ and only having 1 Fredbear plush when we know there are multiple. Fnaf 4 is a test chamber, it’s not the real Afton House.
This was well before dittophobia and we don't know for a fact there are multiple as there's many theories to interpret 4- many of which I didn't know when working on this.
@@siresquawks if it isn’t a test chamber then why do the aftons all live in several distinct houses all within the early 80s. And why is there 2 rooms?