Honestly, Ok KO! rushing the entirety of its remaining plot in its finale is arguibly the main reason Venomous's character didn't get the full arc he deserved. I am convinced his and KO's relationship would have become a lot more complex and he PROBABLY would have become a better parent. That being said, nah, Venomous is not the worst father in cartoon history. *Clay Puppington* is so viscerally and disturbingly well written that you can't help but despise him as much as you are fascinated by him
Yea, studios cancelling shows the way they have been in the past decade is very unfortunate for many characters and finales alike. I really wish they'd be willing to give shows as many seasons as they used to instead of being afraid to take risks.
it's the fact venomous kept sending murderous robots to the convenience store despite KNOWING FULL WELL his BIOLOGICAL SON is in the building. over. and over. and over. 😭😭😭
When I first saw the title and thumbnail, I was offended. "Venemous is a great father to his rodent daughter! What an awful take-! Oooohhhh, you mean to KO..." And if that doesn't say it all.
calling him the worst is a stretch, considering how some cartoon dads have done way worse stuff(Stan Smith, Peter Griffin, Clay Puppington, I could go on) but I do infact see your points. Spoiling your children doesn't always equate to loving them. Also the fact that he had no problem wasting time and resources that him and Boxman could've potentially used just to psychologically mess with someone is really cruel. Also the fact that he treats Boxman better than Fink, Boxman's robots, and KO is crazzyyy😭😭
@@nicholasaugello2534 I can see how Brian is bad, but how is Buck Cluck? Yeah while you can argue he wasn't crap in the beginning of the movie, he did slightly redeem himself close to the end of the movie, realizing how he was wrong, and how he apologized to his son. Also at most this man was just neglectful to/ashamed of his son in the first half of the movie, that's not even close to as bad as what some cartoon fathers have done.
@papercut_reviewsBruh, his minion IS his kid though- throughout the show we see how Mr. GAR and KO's relationship develops as an actual father and son relationship despite not being blood-related. Not to say Venomous isn't a bad father for that, but to be ABSOLUTELY FAIR, he didn’t even know he had a son to begin with 😭
He knew KO was his kid since Were Captured, a late season 1 episode. From there he proceeded to mentally torture him for lols in The KO Trap and after that essentially be Drake. No excuse. Loving one of your "kids" doesn't help your case when you treat the other like shit, makes it even worse
I think that more media that deals in "parent vs child" themes between heroes and villains or at least does the "disappeared parent" bit should consider taking inspiration from the old Germanic text, the Lay of Hildebrand: The Father (Hildebrand) has to leave home for some reason. He returns home years later as a mercenary at the head of an army to fight against his old home. A young man leads the opposing army. Hildebrand realizes the young man is his son, Hadubrand. He begs his son to listen to him and avoid the fight. Hadubrand refuses and believes the Hildebrand is trying to deceive him. Hildebrand realizes it's him or Hadubrand. They fight. And...actually to my understanding, the original text is too damaged or too vague to tell quite who "wins," though most interpretations have Hildebrand slaying his son in single combat, with some versions having it be because the son did the dishonorable action of trying to attack when he was down and his enemy was reaching out to him in a gesture of mercy. Either way, it ends in tragedy, which is how a lot of stories that involve parents abandoning or otherwise leaving their children probably should end, if only as a warning to any who'd consider freely doing something so deplorable in real life. I wish more media was willing to entertain the tragic side of the older stories which usually boiled down to "you violated the eternal and transcendent moral order that governs all creation, and now tragedy and sorrow will be the result." Though painful, it's a necessary compliment to the stories that end happily for everyone.
@papercut_reviews Well I may more may not have a Bachelor's in the Science of History (in other words a literal BS degree)... That said, imagine a cartoon or anime where a heroic character is fighting their villainous parent, the audience has every reason to think it will go the Darth Vader route or the kid will ultimately save their parent...only for said parent to strike a fatal blow, and as their holding their own child in their arms, every single justification for why they became a villain rings in their head, and only then do they realize how hollow it all was. However it plays out after that would depend on the specific context. I actually wrote offered a rewrite idea of this sort of thing for High Guardian Spice of all things under Literature Devil's video when it came out, with the idea being Lavander then tried to destroy the bad guys on her daughter's behalf as a way of...not quite redeeming herself, but trying to make things right as best possible while letting her daughter take the credit for victory while she perished in infamy. If the villainous parent is the top dog, then you could have an even more tragic version of Michael Corleone's fate at the end of Godfather III. Just some ideas, but I can't help but think there's more potential that can and should be explored with these types of scenarios, especially because older stories where willing to go there in terms of hubris and tragedy while ours are often hampered by formula, the perceived need for a happy ending *even when it makes no sense,* and...well...I suspect toy sales. Some series like Transformers Armada certainly proved you *can* tell a story with a lot of sorrow built in and with the finale being bittersweet at best (just look at Starscream, Megatron, and even how Optimus felt at the end of the whole thing), but I suspect most studios want to go with the safe bet of stories with happy endings= big sales.
Fair enough but based on social media recently being more prominent I think ok ko is an example of some crappy dads I guess modernly. Chicken lil thats way back in 90s and early 2000s
Eh I wouldn’t say TKO and shadowy figures father son relationship is any better. Sure both worked together to cause destruction but it revealed in the that Shadowy figure is just using him to get more power.
I can name quite a few worse ones. Norman Osborn(most Spider-Man media) Peter Griffin(Family Guy) Shou Tucker(FMA) Trigon(Teen Titans) Viren(The Dragon Prince) Ozai(ATLA) I'd argue Professor Venomous is at least better than all these guys for the fact he does care about Fink and he not only tried to bond with K.O. after finding out he was his son but also tried to help him hunt down Shadowy Figure.
0:30 worst in animation!?! There's kenjaku, shou tucker, peter griffin, and heihachi (I know he's originally from a video game but he's animated now so I'm counting him)
Worst Dad in Cartoons? Spectacular Spider-man's Norman Osborn. Almost certainly the worst in western children's animation. Big spoilers for Spectacular Spider-man S2; You watch the series through and see him constantly belittle and bully Harry for everything and anything. He uses him as an insult against an employee he's insulting. Then it turns out Harry's become addicted to Norman's experimental performance enhancer in an attempt to get better at school and sports, leading him to unknowingly become the Green Goblin. This finally makes Norman realise he may have pushed his son too far and promises to get him help and send him too recovery if Spider-man keeps it a secret. Not so bad a dad after all right? NOPE! Yeah no Harry was never the GG, that was all Norman. Dad of the Year found his son overdosed on the formula and took advantage of his unconsciousness to dress him up in the costume and frame him to throw off Spider-man. He even twists his ankle to give him a limp after Spidey saw him hurt his leg. So Norman lets his son spends half the show thinking that his addiction made him a super-villain. Then instead of going to the school production Harry worked hard to get a role in, Norman kidnaps him for several days to frame him again then continues to gaslight him when he escapes. And he gets away with everything.
This series was great, I wish it could've went on longer. The central issue with the original POINT team members and KO's daddy drama was fantastic and I wish it had some more focus. I know it was a bit more on the goofier-spoof side of things but the emotional beats were great too. Prof Venomous was really interesting, too bad we didn't see him beefing with Carol too much considering what he did.
I am surprised no one in this comment section is mentioning Rand Ridley from Inside Job (very good show, highly recommend). Dude has done enough shit to his daughter to out do prof. venomous, clay puppington, peter griffin, and possibly stands on a same level, if not higher than shou tucker in terms of being a bad father.
i dunno about that i think peter griffen is far far worse, yes meg does give as good as she gets but most of the time its just peter and lois being awful awful parents. because remember lois has done alot of shi to meg too.
Peter Griffin is in a joke of a show, a comedy, and his actions can't be equated to venomous cause they barely have any lasting impact episode to episode
@papercut_reviews wait hold up, venomous never knew he had a son and just found out, while rigbys dad saw him pop out the womb and instantly decided ( fuck this baby).
@Globbronglobgr0d he knew K.O. was his son since We're Captured and decided to PURPOSELY mentally scar him, torture him, and his actions lead to him killing his friends in the finale. Rigby's dad doesn't even come close.
You inspire me to post my shit soon I got into it, pointing out how messy venmous is and dirty as hell about himself. Of course if he wasn't happy with himself or with his partner enough I can understand but damn that dude, that sleazy and dirty. Besides Carol wanting to throw hands, he had her emotional when the reveal came!!
Wouldn't say bad, but I didn't finished Ok KO!, but did he try to be there for KO, because if he didn't then he's hypocrite. Spoiling one of his kids while ignoring other is wrong, but I get your point of view
Just analyzing the character There’s always going to be a character that’s looks like another character you know by making comparisons But it’s not to frequent Just once in a while
Honestly, Ok KO! rushing the entirety of its remaining plot in its finale is arguibly the main reason Venomous's character didn't get the full arc he deserved.
I am convinced his and KO's relationship would have become a lot more complex and he PROBABLY would have become a better parent.
That being said, nah, Venomous is not the worst father in cartoon history.
*Clay Puppington* is so viscerally and disturbingly well written that you can't help but despise him as much as you are fascinated by him
Forgive me, for I've never seen Moral Orel.
Yea, studios cancelling shows the way they have been in the past decade is very unfortunate for many characters and finales alike. I really wish they'd be willing to give shows as many seasons as they used to instead of being afraid to take risks.
it's the fact venomous kept sending murderous robots to the convenience store despite KNOWING FULL WELL his BIOLOGICAL SON is in the building. over. and over. and over. 😭😭😭
That's what I'm saying 💀
When I first saw the title and thumbnail, I was offended. "Venemous is a great father to his rodent daughter! What an awful take-! Oooohhhh, you mean to KO..." And if that doesn't say it all.
Lmao yall forget too quick! Thanks for watching
OMG I LITERALLY FORGOT HE IS KOS FATHER, I WAS THINKING "well he was nice to the mouse girl? i dont remember him being bad.."
Thats what I'm saying yall forget too soon 😭😭
calling him the worst is a stretch, considering how some cartoon dads have done way worse stuff(Stan Smith, Peter Griffin, Clay Puppington, I could go on) but I do infact see your points. Spoiling your children doesn't always equate to loving them. Also the fact that he had no problem wasting time and resources that him and Boxman could've potentially used just to psychologically mess with someone is really cruel. Also the fact that he treats Boxman better than Fink, Boxman's robots, and KO is crazzyyy😭😭
Yeah I had to get a good title for the vid 😭😭 Thanks for watching 👀
Well, Stan, Peter, and Clay count more as Adult Swim characters instead of Cartoon Network characters
Can't forget about Brian Griffin or Buck Cluck
@@nicholasaugello2534 Brian is in the same lane as Peter and Buck is a Disney father, not a Cartoon Network father
@@nicholasaugello2534 I can see how Brian is bad, but how is Buck Cluck? Yeah while you can argue he wasn't crap in the beginning of the movie, he did slightly redeem himself close to the end of the movie, realizing how he was wrong, and how he apologized to his son. Also at most this man was just neglectful to/ashamed of his son in the first half of the movie, that's not even close to as bad as what some cartoon fathers have done.
They took my baby boy Ok Ko too soon.
Nah really
I wish more people talked about OK KO, such a good show ended too soon!
Same, but I guess I'm the change I want to see
PaperCut: Calls Venomous the worst cartoon dad
Shou Tucker: Allow me to introduce myself
You know he's the worst when Shou Tucker makes Peter Griffin look like Dad of The Year.
I mean he a alright dad to fink I guess bro just wanted a daughter
Still doesn't excuse him tho. He treats his minion better than his blood
@papercut_reviewsBruh, his minion IS his kid though- throughout the show we see how Mr. GAR and KO's relationship develops as an actual father and son relationship despite not being blood-related. Not to say Venomous isn't a bad father for that, but to be ABSOLUTELY FAIR, he didn’t even know he had a son to begin with 😭
He knew KO was his kid since Were Captured, a late season 1 episode. From there he proceeded to mentally torture him for lols in The KO Trap and after that essentially be Drake. No excuse. Loving one of your "kids" doesn't help your case when you treat the other like shit, makes it even worse
idk, he's up against Ozai.
Do I even have to talk about that one Full Metal Alchemist Character….
There’s worse out there…
Full Metal Who? I don't watch anime
I think that more media that deals in "parent vs child" themes between heroes and villains or at least does the "disappeared parent" bit should consider taking inspiration from the old Germanic text, the Lay of Hildebrand:
The Father (Hildebrand) has to leave home for some reason.
He returns home years later as a mercenary at the head of an army to fight against his old home.
A young man leads the opposing army.
Hildebrand realizes the young man is his son, Hadubrand.
He begs his son to listen to him and avoid the fight.
Hadubrand refuses and believes the Hildebrand is trying to deceive him.
Hildebrand realizes it's him or Hadubrand.
They fight.
And...actually to my understanding, the original text is too damaged or too vague to tell quite who "wins," though most interpretations have Hildebrand slaying his son in single combat, with some versions having it be because the son did the dishonorable action of trying to attack when he was down and his enemy was reaching out to him in a gesture of mercy.
Either way, it ends in tragedy, which is how a lot of stories that involve parents abandoning or otherwise leaving their children probably should end, if only as a warning to any who'd consider freely doing something so deplorable in real life. I wish more media was willing to entertain the tragic side of the older stories which usually boiled down to "you violated the eternal and transcendent moral order that governs all creation, and now tragedy and sorrow will be the result." Though painful, it's a necessary compliment to the stories that end happily for everyone.
@@morgant.dulaman8733 might be the most academic sounding comment I've ever received lol. Good shit
@papercut_reviews Well I may more may not have a Bachelor's in the Science of History (in other words a literal BS degree)...
That said, imagine a cartoon or anime where a heroic character is fighting their villainous parent, the audience has every reason to think it will go the Darth Vader route or the kid will ultimately save their parent...only for said parent to strike a fatal blow, and as their holding their own child in their arms, every single justification for why they became a villain rings in their head, and only then do they realize how hollow it all was.
However it plays out after that would depend on the specific context. I actually wrote offered a rewrite idea of this sort of thing for High Guardian Spice of all things under Literature Devil's video when it came out, with the idea being Lavander then tried to destroy the bad guys on her daughter's behalf as a way of...not quite redeeming herself, but trying to make things right as best possible while letting her daughter take the credit for victory while she perished in infamy. If the villainous parent is the top dog, then you could have an even more tragic version of Michael Corleone's fate at the end of Godfather III.
Just some ideas, but I can't help but think there's more potential that can and should be explored with these types of scenarios, especially because older stories where willing to go there in terms of hubris and tragedy while ours are often hampered by formula, the perceived need for a happy ending *even when it makes no sense,* and...well...I suspect toy sales. Some series like Transformers Armada certainly proved you *can* tell a story with a lot of sorrow built in and with the finale being bittersweet at best (just look at Starscream, Megatron, and even how Optimus felt at the end of the whole thing), but I suspect most studios want to go with the safe bet of stories with happy endings= big sales.
So who’s gonna tell him about Clay Puppington?
WHO ‼⁉️🔥🔥 I ONLY KNOW VENOMOUS MY GOAT
@papercut_reviews Watch Moral Orel, it's great! But I love OK, KO as well :D
Are we not gonna acknowledge chicken little's dad?
Never watched Chicken Little. WHO⁉️🔥🔥
Fair enough but based on social media recently being more prominent I think ok ko is an example of some crappy dads I guess modernly.
Chicken lil thats way back in 90s and early 2000s
@@Inqcandy... No. The Disney's version of Chicken Little didn't come out in the 90s.
@@seeleunit2000 i thought it was that or early 2000s
Peter Griffin is by far one the worst fathers you could ever have.
There are other worse ones but ok
Absolutely
Shou Tucker and Gendo Ikari: Am I joke to you?
Eh I wouldn’t say TKO and shadowy figures father son relationship is any better. Sure both worked together to cause destruction but it revealed in the that Shadowy figure is just using him to get more power.
Yeah but at the end of the day they teamed up in a way their normal versions couldn't. That's what I meant.
I really hate how rushed his reveal was, cartoon network really mesed up by not giving the show another season
I will never forgive CN for how they treated this show
I can name quite a few worse ones.
Norman Osborn(most Spider-Man media)
Peter Griffin(Family Guy)
Shou Tucker(FMA)
Trigon(Teen Titans)
Viren(The Dragon Prince)
Ozai(ATLA)
I'd argue Professor Venomous is at least better than all these guys for the fact he does care about Fink and he not only tried to bond with K.O. after finding out he was his son but also tried to help him hunt down Shadowy Figure.
Ain't none of these got what Clay Puppingtons neglectful g@yass does
He found out KO was his son and put him in a trap to mentally torture him, he's not as good as you think he is
peter griffin being in this list is so funny ngl
i mean. accurate though
Clay Puppington
..... nice he learned later with Fink..
a lot later..
😅
OK KO CONTENT IN 2024 THANK YOU SO MUCH
Just providing the content this platform NEEDS
@papercut_reviews subbed now YIPPEE
0:30 worst in animation!?! There's kenjaku, shou tucker, peter griffin, and heihachi (I know he's originally from a video game but he's animated now so I'm counting him)
I don't know 3/4 of those people and the other 1 is in Family Guy 💀 it's my opinion brotha
@papercut_reviews DUDE IF YOU KNOW GRIFFIN YOU GONNA HATE THE MOST THING IN THIS WORLD
Kenjaku is a pretty good mom actually
0:23 CLIPPING THAT THAT IS NOW MY WALLPAPER
Father from KND:...
Worst Dad in Cartoons? Spectacular Spider-man's Norman Osborn.
Almost certainly the worst in western children's animation.
Big spoilers for Spectacular Spider-man S2;
You watch the series through and see him constantly belittle and bully Harry for everything and anything. He uses him as an insult against an employee he's insulting.
Then it turns out Harry's become addicted to Norman's experimental performance enhancer in an attempt to get better at school and sports, leading him to unknowingly become the Green Goblin. This finally makes Norman realise he may have pushed his son too far and promises to get him help and send him too recovery if Spider-man keeps it a secret. Not so bad a dad after all right?
NOPE!
Yeah no Harry was never the GG, that was all Norman. Dad of the Year found his son overdosed on the formula and took advantage of his unconsciousness to dress him up in the costume and frame him to throw off Spider-man. He even twists his ankle to give him a limp after Spidey saw him hurt his leg.
So Norman lets his son spends half the show thinking that his addiction made him a super-villain. Then instead of going to the school production Harry worked hard to get a role in, Norman kidnaps him for several days to frame him again then continues to gaslight him when he escapes.
And he gets away with everything.
That's a very good shout
This series was great, I wish it could've went on longer. The central issue with the original POINT team members and KO's daddy drama was fantastic and I wish it had some more focus. I know it was a bit more on the goofier-spoof side of things but the emotional beats were great too. Prof Venomous was really interesting, too bad we didn't see him beefing with Carol too much considering what he did.
Same I would have loved to see him and Carol interact more after the reveal. Would've made for a great storyline.
I am surprised no one in this comment section is mentioning Rand Ridley from Inside Job (very good show, highly recommend). Dude has done enough shit to his daughter to out do prof. venomous, clay puppington, peter griffin, and possibly stands on a same level, if not higher than shou tucker in terms of being a bad father.
That's probably the first suggestion that I'd say is better than PV. Good job lol
What about fire lord ozai😭hes the actual worst
I have seen and pieced together trashy romances that were eyebrow-raisers or just straight up ratchet.
WRONG: He's hot
Nigga ask me if I care about wuhoh5274 opinion 💀
i dunno about that i think peter griffen is far far worse, yes meg does give as good as she gets but most of the time its just peter and lois being awful awful parents.
because remember lois has done alot of shi to meg too.
i do think venomous is a bad parent, but worst cartoon parent?
he's not even close, like he's not even in top 10, imo.
and keep in mind we are including ALL of cartoon history.
not just cn.
Peter Griffin is in a joke of a show, a comedy, and his actions can't be equated to venomous cause they barely have any lasting impact episode to episode
Paper cut when he sees rigbys dad pull up:💀
Ohhhh that's a good one, but at least Rigby dad kinda redeemed himself. This nigga doesn't even pull up to his son's birthday's 💀💀
@papercut_reviews wait hold up, venomous never knew he had a son and just found out, while rigbys dad saw him pop out the womb and instantly decided ( fuck this baby).
@Globbronglobgr0d he knew K.O. was his son since We're Captured and decided to PURPOSELY mentally scar him, torture him, and his actions lead to him killing his friends in the finale. Rigby's dad doesn't even come close.
@papercut_reviews oh shit i forgot about that, never mind.
Good mention in the end, its true.
Prof venomous fucked with fink tho so it evens out
Bro said at least he liked one of his kids 😭😭😭
@papercut_reviews not related by the first time i saw silco i instantly thought proffessor venemous 🤣🤣
"Toji walks in"
You inspire me to post my shit soon I got into it, pointing out how messy venmous is and dirty as hell about himself.
Of course if he wasn't happy with himself or with his partner enough I can understand but damn that dude, that sleazy and dirty. Besides Carol wanting to throw hands, he had her emotional when the reveal came!!
Hell yeah dude. Carol was VEXXED that episode lol
Wouldn't say bad, but I didn't finished Ok KO!, but did he try to be there for KO, because if he didn't then he's hypocrite. Spoiling one of his kids while ignoring other is wrong, but I get your point of view
Nvm I finished the clip and wtf💀
Idk but hes getting it
PAUSE
Today’s a new day and it got a new Paper video
Today is a good day
Good day to be alive 🗣️‼️
Maybe in ok ko but there have been worst dads. Jonas Venture Sr. For starters
@@lucazeroblueversion9346 I needed a title yall leave me alone 😭😭
@papercut_reviews "the worst dad in ok ko" There is your title. That will be 5 euro
💰💰💰
Now do the best dad doc saturday
Gotta show love to the GOATED dads
I've seen other bad parents in cartoons
Do you dr grey could have made some sort of tech that acted like his powers
Great video. I subbed
Bless
Why does that woman look look like from Ok Ko let’s be hero’s
Nigga what was that?
Just analyzing the character There’s always going to be a character that’s looks like another character you know by making comparisons But it’s not to frequent Just once in a while
@@questionking3553He asking you to repeat yourself cause none of that made any sense 😂
Oh it didn’t I didn’t realize
Buck cluck?
Who⁉️
Not the best take in the world
OK? Give me your take then. Yall say this stuff but don't contribute to the convo lol
@papercut_reviews clay puppington is a worse dad
Never watched Moral Orel
@papercut_reviews it is a MASTERPIECE
Worst dad? Naruto exists💀💀
I'm not an anime person I'm afraid
@ oh then you should
Nah I'm good on anime for now
@ trust me anime are good shit tho. I recommend you Death note. But have you watched Arcane?
I have watched Arcane. I'll give Death Note a try when I have time
Jesus loves you and wants a relationship with you! Just accept him as lord and savior, repent of your sins, and youll be saved!
first one on this thread!!
Greg is a worst father
... If you're talking about Greg from Steven universe, you're full of garbage. Greg is a good dad
He tried his best to be there for Steven what are you on😭
If you're talking about SU... NO.
Damn tf did Greg do??? He wasn't perfect but he tried his best
Almost 800 likes chat
We hit 800 gang. Onto that big 1k 😈