Can't believe the list didn't have any tireless trackers. Considering how many land drops this deck pumps out, it's almost like playing ancestral recall.
Lsv, I always love your vintage videos. It's such a treat seeing one of the best magic players of all time playing with the most busted cards from magic history.
Add another Courser so you can actually gain inf life by wasting your own lands and replaying them with Ramunap netting +1 life every time you replay them
I feel like Tatyova would be a good addition to this deck in a one of to get with Green Suns as it would allow your deck to go off. It might be too slow but Mana doesn't seem to be a large bottleneck in this deck
Seems like fastbond was safely unbanned. Great in theory but Gush and all the draw sevens are restricted. To play the combo here you are missing the mox pearl, mana crypt and sol ring that other decks will be playing. Unlike fastbond, those ramp cards aren't card disadvantage and are great together instead of being dead in multiples. Sol Ring is the same acceleration as Fastbond plus two lands in one card, and you don't need to worry if you have the lands or not.
8:42 Is the main reason you didn't go for the Ramunap Excavator due to the MTGO clock? Couldn't you just keep reshuffling with fetchlands until Strip Mine showed up on top?
This doesn't work because he would lose a life each time he fetches. Courser negates the fastbond life loss but when you're not actually finding a land with the fetch you don't get back the 1 life from cracking it.
@@TheSnozzwangler even if he had 2 coursers out it would not be shortcuttable because it is not guaranteed to ever happen. There is only ever a chance of it happening. You can't get there in a specified number of moves either.
@@busTedOaS Not only can it not be short cut in paper, but it would be slow play. You aren't allowed to repeatedly take sequences of actions that don't have a net change in the game state.
This deck seems to have trouble with things on the board. I think Upheaval would be pretty sweet in here, with merchant scroll and draw7's to find it and with all the manas to cast it and then be able to replay everything?
I thought about that card 2. but then you realize that u aren't really doing anything to win by casting it. you're only durdling even more. plus in vintage with all moxen and sol rings running around upheaval itself isn't much of a card in general
how about zuran orb and gods eye gate to the reikai. inf colorless mana inf creatures and inf life all in one tiny package :P Maybe a sunscorched desert as well, but I guess relying too much on land effects would force more zuran orbs into the deck.
"shuffle until you have the exact card you want on top though right?" this may be a "four horseman" situation where it's a nondeterministic loop that doesn't change the board state so you can't actually do it. and online it could just be really time consuming. That said it's fine online to try it a few times, but "exact card" might be a bit of a stretch.
@@awxangel6781 Anyway i realised you would lose 1 life each time so you would need 2 courser to do it. since you lose 2 life, 1 from Fastbond and 1 from fetching.
(0:00) I am quite excited for Fastbond being unrestricted (not that I play vintage, not even with almost costless fantasy proxy decks, but I still think it is exciting). I am more enthusiastic (and less weary) about Fastbond than Stoneforge Mystic in Modern (but maybe Stoneforge is strong but just fine). I do think Stoneforge will definitely have an distinct impact on the decks in Modern (compared to it not being legal and the other new cards being banned as well).
look imm not going to say that theres now a vintage deck that can play avenger of zendikar, but there's a vintage deck that can play avenger of zendikar.
I was so upsettingly loling at this that I fired the old Duels 2014 just to play with a similar deck but including Tendrils and BlighsteelCol. You know, the absurd concept of a couple wincons...
Adding lands seems a Catch 22. You want them to make Fastbond good but then you ramp into nothing. Fastbond itself seems a trap as half the time it's a dead card, but it's insane when it works. Idk I thought the result would be more impressive.
Lsv you are a mad man how can you make a deck with so few ways to kill there has to be something that is both awesome and synergistic with this deck that allows a insta kill...
The first ability of lavinia is stopping him from hard casting since he has only 3 lands out, he can only play spells that have converted mana cost 3, 2, or 1. Since gush is 5 or played for free, lavinas two abilities are messing up both gush costs.
When LSV says he doesn't want to draw too many Tormod's Crypts and is only bringing in two, is that comment specific to the Survival of the Fittest MU or a general comment? If the latter, then why a playset of Crypts in the board? I'm used to formats where that card is often a "4 or none" affair.
Probably the Survival MU, since it also just plays dudes or bazaars then slams hollow ones The card disadvantage of playing 4 is almost certainly for the dredge matchup.
I think fastbond is a card geared towards a straight up combo deck, not a value one. leovold + timetwister/wheel of fortune or strip mine + runemap are cool combos but not really 'winning the game' ones. I think the natural home for fastbond would be a storm build
Abe 10Alpha 😮 looks at decklist again. Looks like he was playing solely to test the viability of unrestricted fast bond. He talked about running less of them. Pretty sound reasoning but confirmed Courser beatdowns is not very doable is it??
LSV seriously. You could make your own channel and not have to upload your content to ChannelFireball. You are by far the most popular mtg player and your view count is the highest. Perhaps the only reason you haven't left yet is because they "have you by the balls" contractually speaking or the fact that you are a loyal person. I'm guessing it's a bit of both...
I think this deck is too light on combos. Fastbond isn't a great ramp piece because it is card disadvantage to play an enchantment that just sits there once your lands are in play, so you need things like Crucible of Worlds + Retreat to Hagra so that your deck can kill the opponent.
I love the deck but got so heated watching this. LSV and I have very different play styles. He's the world champion and I'm a scrub tho, so he's probably doing something right.
Round 1: 01:24
Round 2: 22:37
Round 3: 37:23
Any chance you would tell your audience about the biggest WOTC scandal of all time? The videos are on my channel.
"Win conditions are overrated"
-LSV, constantly
Can't believe the list didn't have any tireless trackers. Considering how many land drops this deck pumps out, it's almost like playing ancestral recall.
Zombade Yeah, tracker seems like an important engine for this deck.
Zuran Orb is he real missing piece
Yeah Tracker and Ancestral are basically the same card. How is it not restricted??
Raging Poo If you’re not being sarcastic, mana efficiency
@@RagingPoo Tracker is a strict upgrade since it can also attack. Honestly it should just be banned.
Ramping so hard into nothing. Seems deece
LuckSkillVictory.dec
Force of vigor on courser was so rough.
Came here to say this. Thanks for doing it first.
@@JDhomieG The hidden card type on courser is always a miss.
@@stephenhousman6975 I wonder if enchantments were a major theme on Theros.
Lol u have no win con, just durdle heaven, classic. LSV
Win con not important
I was racking my brain for a hot minute. "Is the win con really just jank creature beats?"
I was all “wow look at him go off!” when he had the courser fast bond string of lands, then i realized...
If 3 2-power creatures and a 1 3-power creature isn't a wincon then what CAN win games?
No wincon durdle unsuprisingly fails a lot
22:40 "pretty solid opener... get to play turn 1 ponder..."
love you LSV lol
Lsv, I always love your vintage videos. It's such a treat seeing one of the best magic players of all time playing with the most busted cards from magic history.
Also the most busted win con lol
"Instead of winning by a lot, I am losing by a lot" Lmao That one got me
I very much appreciate Lord Beerus, the god of destruction, playing Survival of the Fittest.
"I can't promise it's good, but it's sweet"
This is why I'm here.
Add another Courser so you can actually gain inf life by wasting your own lands and replaying them with Ramunap netting +1 life every time you replay them
@@namename8004 well mana, but we cant really dump it anywhere. I was talking life. 1 courser is + - 0
@@namename8004 Infinite mana doesn't do anything in this deck.
@@namename8004 Get infinite mana, cast Burning Wish. GG
Wizards-Banned and restricted updates!
Whole community-lets play stoneforge mystic in modern!
LSV-its time to durdle in vintage with fastbond ;)
I feel like Tatyova would be a good addition to this deck in a one of to get with Green Suns as it would allow your deck to go off. It might be too slow but Mana doesn't seem to be a large bottleneck in this deck
titania is better if you're playing a creature like that, you don't need more value, just a wincon
FlourescentPotato I agree it would be a good way to just end the game. I think one of both would be good.
Tatyova labmaniac in Vintage!?
Force of Vigor on Courser came out of nowhere. This deck is awesome though. Great video LSV!
No zuran orb combo I’m disappointed
Seems like fastbond was safely unbanned. Great in theory but Gush and all the draw sevens are restricted. To play the combo here you are missing the mox pearl, mana crypt and sol ring that other decks will be playing. Unlike fastbond, those ramp cards aren't card disadvantage and are great together instead of being dead in multiples. Sol Ring is the same acceleration as Fastbond plus two lands in one card, and you don't need to worry if you have the lands or not.
When you want to play a vintage cube deck in vintage lol.
The first fastbond deck isn’t lands? That’s weird
Play vintage lands with fastbond
I love this deck. I hope you’ll release a sequel to this
Time spiral, memory jar? Go a bit harder towards drawing your combos? Thanks for posting. Huge Fastbond fan.
no brainstorm?
I love vintage. I’ve missed. Please do more CFB
Every thought of zuran orb? that would give infinite life so the only way decks could beat you is infect or decking you game 1.
A couple "Crucible Of Worlds" would be a good finishing touch to this deck.
I have a list running tireless trackers, kruphix, and scapeshift with fastbond as a win con. Turn 2 wins all the way.
Nice
Has anyone considered a deck that plays horn of greed alongside fastbond which in combination with valakut could just let you win on turn one?
If you watch vintage streamers TheAtogLord brewed something with horn of greed, glacial chasm and the like
youd need to play like 12 mountains to kill them
I think field of the dead could be better as you don't need a million mountains
Fun deck! I like to bring in Assassin's Trophy against decks with Lavinia and Narset.
8:42 Is the main reason you didn't go for the Ramunap Excavator due to the MTGO clock? Couldn't you just keep reshuffling with fetchlands until Strip Mine showed up on top?
Nice! I wonder if that would be short cuttable in paper. Chances of shuffling it up eventually is 100%.
This doesn't work because he would lose a life each time he fetches. Courser negates the fastbond life loss but when you're not actually finding a land with the fetch you don't get back the 1 life from cracking it.
@@Willd2p2 Oh you're right, I somehow overlooked the double cost.
@@TheSnozzwangler even if he had 2 coursers out it would not be shortcuttable because it is not guaranteed to ever happen. There is only ever a chance of it happening. You can't get there in a specified number of moves either.
@@busTedOaS Not only can it not be short cut in paper, but it would be slow play. You aren't allowed to repeatedly take sequences of actions that don't have a net change in the game state.
It feels like the Canopy lands would be very good here so you can can draw a huge part of your deck.
This deck seems to have trouble with things on the board. I think Upheaval would be pretty sweet in here, with merchant scroll and draw7's to find it and with all the manas to cast it and then be able to replay everything?
I thought about that card 2. but then you realize that u aren't really doing anything to win by casting it. you're only durdling even more. plus in vintage with all moxen and sol rings running around upheaval itself isn't much of a card in general
i liked before even seeing the video. VINTAGE LSV WOOOOO!!!
Do i see it right as wincon you have 5 dorky creatures also you dont have brainstorm in the 75? hmm interesting.
A masterclass in drawing air
You didnt play Brainstorm?
how about zuran orb and gods eye gate to the reikai. inf colorless mana inf creatures and inf life all in one tiny package :P Maybe a sunscorched desert as well, but I guess relying too much on land effects would force more zuran orbs into the deck.
This feels closer to a old school deck
Finally a LSV Video!
Boy oh boy these were some brutal games 😂 But it was still sweet!!!
That match 1 finish was fun xD
with excavator and courser you can just replay your fetches indefenitely and shuffle until you have the exact card you want on top though right?
"shuffle until you have the exact card you want on top though right?"
this may be a "four horseman" situation where it's a nondeterministic loop that doesn't change the board state so you can't actually do it.
and online it could just be really time consuming.
That said it's fine online to try it a few times, but "exact card" might be a bit of a stretch.
@@awxangel6781 Anyway i realised you would lose 1 life each time so you would need 2 courser to do it. since you lose 2 life, 1 from Fastbond and 1 from fetching.
I think I'd go -FoN -2x Narset +Tireless Tracker +GSZ +Brainstorm.
Play a copy of Carnage Tyrant or Thrun, also Tatyova is insane value. Zuran orb can set you up for infinite life as well.
If you only wanna put 2 Crypts post sideboard against graveyard decks, why are they taking 4 sideboard slots to begin with?
Classic LSV, hell yeah
Can you play lands on opponents turn with fastbond ?
You still ancestral on upkeep to dodge FoN
How are you not playing Tracker and some number of DRS?
tfw an opponent slips a janky combo past LSV holding a force and he doesn't realize until hes be gotten. That's supposed to be your job!
He couldn't counter the Containment Priest anyways due to Cavern.
force of vigor on creatures was nastyyy
(0:00) I am quite excited for Fastbond being unrestricted (not that I play vintage, not even with almost costless fantasy proxy decks, but I still think it is exciting).
I am more enthusiastic (and less weary) about Fastbond than Stoneforge Mystic in Modern (but maybe Stoneforge is strong but just fine).
I do think Stoneforge will definitely have an distinct impact on the decks in Modern (compared to it not being legal and the other new cards being banned as well).
Why aren't you thinning more with the fetches when you have no action in hand?
look imm not going to say that theres now a vintage deck that can play avenger of zendikar, but there's a vintage deck that can play avenger of zendikar.
Fast Bond and Dread Presence could make for a good combo
fastbond is a hell of a drug
I was so upsettingly loling at this that I fired the old Duels 2014 just to play with a similar deck but including Tendrils and BlighsteelCol. You know, the absurd concept of a couple wincons...
And in this video we found out why vintage decks dont play 22 lands normally.
Adding lands seems a Catch 22. You want them to make Fastbond good but then you ramp into nothing. Fastbond itself seems a trap as half the time it's a dead card, but it's insane when it works. Idk I thought the result would be more impressive.
Where's Zuran Orb??
why does this deck not have the one brainstorm?
36:45 every fetching of a land gains a life even through fastbond, unless I'm missing something?
@@4Syc321 he said gains a life
Lsv you are a mad man how can you make a deck with so few ways to kill there has to be something that is both awesome and synergistic with this deck that allows a insta kill...
The full first time FNM experience
Match 3: "Guess I can't gush" -- has 5 mana sources. So hard to remember that card can be hard cast
The first ability of lavinia is stopping him from hard casting since he has only 3 lands out, he can only play spells that have converted mana cost 3, 2, or 1. Since gush is 5 or played for free, lavinas two abilities are messing up both gush costs.
Do you think crop rotation would work on this deck?
no
Yes
you should consider toxic deluge sidedeck maybe
So how about turning this into a scapeshift deck???
All the hate about no win cons. He didn't draw timetwister or Wheel at any point in the entire league. That might have made a huge difference.
It doesn't matter if you don't have a win-con
When LSV says he doesn't want to draw too many Tormod's Crypts and is only bringing in two, is that comment specific to the Survival of the Fittest MU or a general comment? If the latter, then why a playset of Crypts in the board? I'm used to formats where that card is often a "4 or none" affair.
Probably the Survival MU, since it also just plays dudes or bazaars then slams hollow ones
The card disadvantage of playing 4 is almost certainly for the dredge matchup.
BUT HOW DO YOU WIN LSV???
No Meloku, por que Maria?!
29:48 why didn't the opponent use cavern to make that Smasher uncounterable? Should've won that game.
It isn't a human
LSV Vintage boyz!
win or lose this deck is cool
Actually went "no no no no no" at my monitor at 17:40 because of the disaster it'd be if they had waste/strip :(
Fatal Push seems a lot better than Force in this creature heavy meta.
I wonder how much better would have been in that first game to just attack with everything instead of trying to go for Hogaak...
Needs 1x Lotus Cobra.
I think fastbond is a card geared towards a straight up combo deck, not a value one. leovold + timetwister/wheel of fortune or strip mine + runemap are cool combos but not really 'winning the game' ones. I think the natural home for fastbond would be a storm build
Playing a deck with no win cons. What more could you expect.
Abe 10Alpha 😮 looks at decklist again. Looks like he was playing solely to test the viability of unrestricted fast bond. He talked about running less of them. Pretty sound reasoning but confirmed Courser beatdowns is not very doable is it??
LSV seriously. You could make your own channel and not have to upload your content to ChannelFireball. You are by far the most popular mtg player and your view count is the highest. Perhaps the only reason you haven't left yet is because they "have you by the balls" contractually speaking or the fact that you are a loyal person. I'm guessing it's a bit of both...
Health insurance is a hell of a thing
Love your vids LSV. but damn man that constant sniffling is driving me crazy, hope your cold gets better bruh
I don’t know anyone that plays vintage irl
Probably because you have to be either ancient or rich.
Letting the containment priest resolve 🤣
It was uncounterable tbf
where brainstorm
I think this deck is too light on combos. Fastbond isn't a great ramp piece because it is card disadvantage to play an enchantment that just sits there once your lands are in play, so you need things like Crucible of Worlds + Retreat to Hagra so that your deck can kill the opponent.
Yeah fast bond seemed like a bad idea
If a standard card (Narset) is played in vintage, you KNOW it is busted.
At uncommon, nonetheless
Pretty much. I mean, sometimes all the fast Mana in vintage makes stuff busted that isn't in other formats. But yeah.
Like button: SMASHED
Pretty sure there is a good fastbond deck out there for vintage, but I don't think this is it. Still a fun video.
I love the deck but got so heated watching this. LSV and I have very different play styles. He's the world champion and I'm a scrub tho, so he's probably doing something right.
lol this deck needs direction, you gotta be fastbonding into good stuff, not wheel of fortune.
Ramp into.......
Force of Vigor - git rekt.
lol what even does "hardcasting hogaak" means. it literally cannot be hardcasted
well if you imagine all toyr creatures are llanowar elves instead o the convoke mechanic... :P
Letting force of wills rot in hand as well as not nuking cavern and sol ring. Someone needs to play more vintage
Convincing LSV to play more Vintage won’t be an issue.
No way to win lsv 😂😂
So many lands but is a crap