First Look At SawStops Table Saws In The UK
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- I have the SawStop CTS and job site table saw to try.
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Not sure how many more videos of sausages not being cut in half I can watch to be honest😂. It’s clever tech without a doubt
it definitely is
The first Badger Workshop video I ever watched was your demonstration of your first Bosch table saw and that became my dream saw. Since then you demonstrated quite a few saws and I watched and loved them. I’ll be patiently waiting to see your next table saw demonstration. Good luck and hope you don’t have to post how well the flesh sensor works in a real life experience.
Thanks for going into such detail Matt. Look forward to seeing them in action.
Thank you. Been building with them this week
I normally like tool review videos and I love when you see the saw stop cabinet saws in the US workshops however, after watching this one Matt I have a few points
1. Both saws seem very plastic despite the fact you said it’s well built there seemed to be lots of small plastic switches/catches that don’t seem very robust.
2. The rack and pinion fence and the thin strip extension etc are the same as I have on my de Walt one but again it looks as though the saw stop one is a bit more flimsy.
3. It may be an improvement on most similar sized models but considering the expense of it which I’m guessing will not leave much change from a grand. I wasn’t overly impressed by the looks of it in the video but I guess I need to see one in person.
Also just as a final point I’m not sure if the brake is really necessary. I’ve used plenty of tablesaws over the years and still have all my fingers. I know it’s a good safety feature but one thing that’s never covered in these kinds of videos is the expense of the brake plus the need to own two of each blade cos if you do ever trigger the brake the blade is toast too so both need replacing.
I know plenty of people will say it’s cheaper than losing a finger and how do you put a price on safety and I agree but at the same time not having a brake facility like this doesn’t make a table saw unsafe to use and if the cost is prohibitive to most people to get a saw of this quality then that has to be taken into account especially if it saves the user £200+
Thanks Matt, good overview of each saw, they both look great and the tech is very clever, it will be interesting to see you using them on projects and hearing which you prefer over time !
Thank you. I have been busy using them
Hi,
thanks so much for showing the saws features with such detail, its much appreciated. I understand that as you were given these saws, you might not be as free to address any negatives of the saws, fair enough.
So, on the US website, the basic model retails at 899USD and the jobsite pro starting 1599USD. Guessing that they'll just convert those to euros, or add some expense to it. My biggest gripe is, I see alot of plastic being used in parts of the saw that will see plenty of wear and tear (the teeth were the fence slides on and the round thing ((forgive my lack of knowledge of the correct terms)). Plastic over metal, I´m guessing to keep cost down. I realize that the one huge trick is the not-losing-any-digits whilst operating the saw. That is why, I imagine, most folks would buy a Sawstop.
I´d love to get my hands on one, but the generous use of plastic and lack of a more sturdy table is kind of a deal breaker. I´m doing my best not to be unreasonable or just hateful, like I said, it looks like a decent product with some great tech and a few cool tricks up it sleeve - the price just doesn´t justify it. Weekend woodworkers such as myself would greatly benefit from other injury prevention mechanisms, like that made by Bosch (REAXX), but was ultimately pulled off the market due to patent infrigements, or something something legalese. '
Again, thanks for the preview! Happy woodworking!
The fence looks extremely similar to a dewalt jobsite saw, and so does the rest tbh. I think it's not unreasonable to sell this for 900€, considering the DW saw is around 5-600.
They will also sell their bigger models that are way more heavy duty, the price will be much higher though.
Fantastic reviews, Matt! Thanks a bunch! 😃
Some day I get one of those!!!
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thank you very much
Thanks Matt and i hope your future projects benefit from these saws
thank you
Thanks Matt. Always interesting your videos. I bought a Dewalt7485, deciding factor for me after much research was the rack and pinion and price. I jave not used it much yet but the little i have used it - very happy (just noisey) and the rack and pinion is so positive. The saw stop rack and pinion, fence and the push stick, miter/location etc. looks so similar to Dewalt7485! I am really scared of it as well. I am really trying to be disciplined with regard to safety....I read table saw accidents: 4K amputations / year from 40K accidents in USA.....
My thoughts exactly, it's very similar to the DW7485 (which is excellent in my opinion!) If you follow best practise then no need to be scared of it - every cut can be done safely if you're sensible. If you haven't come across it before I strongly recommend Steve Ramsey's channel for good advice on how to use a table saw safely!
I've been excitingly waiting since your last video for this!
I'm excited to have them
First time I've seen this brand (UK) but I'm a newby. Fantastic bit of kit from a design pov and the blade stop safety is very impressive.
Nice to see that they implemented the most important safety feature, the quick change riving knife ;-)
Nice video! I've been looking forward to this tech coming to the UK. Would be great to demo the stability of the fence system of each in more detail. I've had a couple of table saws and IMO the most important feature is the ability of the fence to stay square with the blade during use and post adjustment.
Love that there are finally more options in Europe for sawstop than the Festool TKS (which has an appalling fence). I was a little disappointed that the larger jobsite saw doesn’t have rack and pinion too. Would like to see some accuracy tests be the pinion CTS. Thanks for the review Matt.
Female Diyer, I want a table saw and I know this cost over £1200, even though this has a high cost factor, but I value my fingers more, their safety technology is excellent but I am glad we are finally getting saw stop in the UK. Hopeful more brands come out with this safety feature.
Sound levels are really bad at the start Matt.
Oh, yeah, you mentioned that the fence is stored on the left side
I’m right handed & when I was a kid, I used to attach a circular saw to the underside of a sheet of plywood, as we all did.
I always attached whatever makeshift fence I needed to the left of the blade because I felt I had far better control. Keeping my stronger but stupider left hand to do the pushing, and my right hand to do the guiding.
These manufactured saws do my head in.
If the price is right, that first saw will do me.
Anything gotta be better than my aldi table saw!!
And iam impressed with that and that is flimsy, even tho its metal and the fence broke of its mount very quickly!
FINALLY 😍😍
Would be useful for your house renovation
Thanks for the review. Be interesting to see how much they cost.
Thank you
Something I found out the hard way on my jobsite saw, you have to always turn off by pressing the red paddle switch first before flicking the other off switch. It doesn't say it in the instructions but if you skip pressing the paddle switch it sets off the brake. I was also told by distributor if the table saw loses power for any reason (e.g. someone trips on the cord onsite) it will trigger the brake.
I wonder if any Sawstop rep would have the confidence to in his product to demonstrate with his own sausage?
👍👍👍. Thank you Matt
The deal breaker for me is the price of cartridges and the fact that activations can happen for many reasons not related to cutting flesh. But thank you for a thorough and interesting demo video. Great Job Matt.
Both saws are pretty awesome! Any idea how they compare to their Festool counterparts?
Great review as always from Mr Table Saw :)
haha thank you
I noticed you dont have any notches past 0 on the other side of the tilt to dial in square. Id be interested to see if they offer a solution if blade isnt square out of box
Good review Matt, they do look impressive with some interesting features.
The big question I have is could you see yourself buying one?
Yes I think so. The safety features alone would make me want one but it's also a well thought out saw
Being a table guru is working great for you Matt! You certainly can speak from experience! Your latest quandary which table saw to use today…..
PS. break made you jump!
It made me jump watching it back
@@Badgerworkshop 😆
May I suggest that you should always use the lav mic - this is very boxy sounding.. Actually, do I recall it being broken?!
The rack and pinion seems to be a big selling point, so im surprised the big one doesnt have it.
Hi Matt, both saws looked great, and they both had great features, but as for the 'flesh sensor ' I not certain how much damage it would do to your own flesh, hope you enjoy testing the see both out, best regards from a Kiwi living in Australia, Les
Thank you Les
Shows the DeWalt heritage ( influence ? )! A nice set of well thought out improvements.
Hah, I was waiting for the hotdog test, nice to see a British variation!
They look pretty decent but seem a bit plastic-y in places. I like a rack and pinon fence. Bosch had a similar system briefly but it was pulled for the patent infringement. Shame as safety technology should be open source in my opinion.
My Bosch saw died a couple of months ago and I’m in the market for a replacement. I was wondering about the new Hammer k2n but there are no reviews of that one yet so I’ve been looking forward to seeing your review of these Sawstops. I know they’re a premium brand but I’m disappointed they look and sound so lightweight and plastic. I’m worried that bits would fall apart in my workshop.
I’ll be honest, it looks like a lot of flimsy plastic for a couple of saws, where I imagine you won’t see much change from a grand?
Why aint nobody got the bollox to actually use their finger instead of a sausage if it’s that safe
I noticed your saws came with 5/16" arbors but the rep that I saw on the Robin Clevett video said that the EU spec saws are coming with 30mm arbors, so no dado sets then.
Hi Matt, that is a good table saw, good safety brake , made me jump I bet you did to. Some good features like the fine angle adjuster. Good solid power switch does it have a NVR switch on the saw. Great demonstration , catch you soon, take care
Yes it won't re start unless the switch is reset
Who is going to be the main stockists for sawstop in the UK
I think it will be yandels and Axminster
Do Bosch mind if you use other company’s gear then?
I would imagine they're not particularly fond of Sawstop after they put the kibosh on the Bosch Reaxx system, the only other alternative flesh sensing tech on the market since-apart from systems found on €10k> Altendorf & Felder saws. Pity really, this tech could and would be much further advanced and available if Sawstop put safety ahead of good old corporate greed..
How much are the breaks every time you save your sausage?
No sausages were harmed in the making of this video.. afterwards however...
They were destroyed afterwards
Good review Matt, but are going to keep the Bosch saw and where has your comfortable seat gone?
Not sure yet. Don’t worry the chair is at the other end
Nice reviews but very very expensive table saws. Over double most good ones of similar size. Is it worth it? That question depends on many circumstances.
Good review and in depth. im a bit disappointed as alot of it sound cheap and plastic and alot of cheap looking plastic
Can this take a Dado stack we all see our American friends using?
I got the CTS and put it on a stand that makes it like the bigger jobsite saw. I made the decision based on the fact I didn't use a dado stack with my previous saw and price
Are sawstop and DeWalt the same company? I ask as that fence looks like its exactly the same as on my DeWalt.
Different companies but similar fence
Sawstop don’t mind nicking the Dewalt fence but get tetchy when Bosch implemented flesh sensing tech!
What about your comfy chair matt😊
I just moved it to the other end
So many similarities to the Evolution 225 🤨
Seems quite flimsy/plasticy
Looks like a plastic throat plate which is a bit of a let down.
It can't be metal because of the design of the saw
@@Badgerworkshop Ah yes that makes sense. I think they put an electric current threw the saw blade for the flesh sensing technology.
Sorry to see you have turned into a sales rep. Would have preferred if you had actually use the saws for a few months before giving a review. Not sure your option on the push stick is valid, as every table saw user I know chuck. The supplied push stick in the bin. Moverover, every table saw I've used always have a dedicated holder for push stick. Which is all well and good if you put it back when you finished using it. However, never know anybody who hasn't said on a daily basis, "where have I left that".
Please bet back do doing what you do best, making. Leave the sales to others. Overall opinion of this vlog. Sad.
Hey Stephen, thanks for sharing your thoughts, but I think you’re missing the bigger picture here. As content creators, we put a lot of time and effort into producing videos for viewers like yourself, and it’s not just for entertainment - it’s also how we make a living. If you think we can do that without accepting some form of sponsorship or compensation, then you might not fully understand how this works.
The idea that we're turning into "sales reps" just because we feature products is misguided. We choose to show products that we believe could be useful to our audience, and that’s part of the deal. If it bothers you that we're trying to make a living while sharing valuable content, that’s on you.
As for the push stick and your other points, they seem a bit nit-picky, but hey, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. My overall opinion of your comment? Sad