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Indigenous Voice to Parliament: Early voting begins in historic Australian referendum - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2023
- Australia has begun early voting in a landmark referendum on enacting an Indigenous Voice to Parliament.
If approved, the reform would recognise Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the country's constitution and establish a permanent body for them to advise the government.
The country has not had a successful referendum in almost 50 years.
While the majority of Australians will vote on 14 October, those who are unable to can vote at select polling centres right across the country from Tuesday.
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The Indigenous British people need a voice because the BBC won't give them one.
Hahahahaha nice
Funny they never seem to care too much about preserving the rights and cultures indigenous people in Europe
Im sorry but i do believe the only nativw Brythonic people left are to be found in Wales lmao
As a Canadian, I truly believe no individual race, colour of skin nationality, knowing individual should be treated above any other Canadian, Australia did good on keeping each individual as an equal citizen. That said, all races, should be celebrated. Uniqueness should not have more rights than individuals. Equality should be number one
Both sides have very good points. But it can't be denied that it assumes that indigenous people will always be a disadvantaged group. When the moment comes, they're no longer disadvantaged, they will have an undemocratic say over how things are run and any attempt to dismantle the body will be jumped on as racist.
And how far do you extend that? Under the same logic surely there should be a body like this for every ethnic group in the country who can show themselves as disadvantaged?
The indiginous people need help and funding to improve their lives, but a permanant constitutionally binding body isn't one of them.
Wow. This remark sounds like you’re aware of their disadvantage but are more worried about a possible time when they are not. If they aren’t “disadvantaged” they’re voices are then undemocratic. Got it.
@@TheMoseswoman No, it sounds like a principled argument. You can't have a representative of every 'disadvantaged' group. Unless they earn their place in parliamnt, of course. As you should have to. That's democracy - you seem to want them to have their representative no matter what, which is the opposite of democratic. There's already indigenous politicians in parliament anyway.
@@kevinb9830 Hahaha, what are you on about? Get into the gear or?
"We know they've been disadvantaged, and we've never done a thing about it...But if they ever get actual power, they might disadvantage us instead!"
That's not a principled argument, that's a sad little chook giving in to their racial fears and prejudices. 🤣🤣
@@TheMoseswoman No, he is asking why it has to be done this way?
And that makes sense when indigenous leaders like Warren Mundine, Anthony Dillon and Senator Jacinta Price are strongly opposed to the Voice. They see it as designed to entrench corruption.
@@kevinb9830the representatives have been elected by the indigenous tribes, so how is that not democratic??? Seems u think only white people votes matter & not the people being treated as second class citizens in their own land, funny how Australia complains about autocratic china while they themselves r an autocratic arpatheid state
I’m not against the voice, or recognising aboriginal people as the first people of Australia; but to install a permanent lobby group it in the constitution I’m totally against. So it’s a NO from me
Exactly,
- recognizing the Aboriginals as the first people of Australia is the kind of thing you put in history books, not the constitution.
- as far as lobby groups go, indigenous lobby groups invariably become corrupt, the ability to decommission them is a feature not a bug.
SPOILER: Australia voted No to the voice. Honestly, I don’t blame them one bit. There was No details about it and Australians aren’t stupid enough to full for it. The whole debate was handled atrociously by the yes campaign and the government. The NO vote destroyed the YES vote, and I’m proud of it. 🇦🇺🎉
Australia voted correctly on 14/9/23
Overwhelmingly, resoundingly NO.
So proud of my fellow citizens.
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
This time, we know we all can stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing we can make it better
Ooh, we're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
Im an Australian and this reporting on what the referedum is is ncorrect. Do your research BBC
It does not mention the indigenous people because we are all Australians. Any thing else is divisive and will cause a racial decision in our country. You can’t tip the scales without an an equal and opposite backlash.
A quick summary for people who mightn't have heard about any of this...
The Indigenous Voice to Parliament is one of the three pillars of the "Uluru Statement from the Heart". The other two pillars are "Treaty" and "Truth".
Treaty means a framework for reparations payable to indigenous or part indigenous people and their local tribes (First Nations) by all levels of government.
Truth, or truth-telling, is a movement to re-educate Australians and emphasise shameful aspects of the country's past.
Voice is a mechanism to allow indigenous representatives constitutional power to influence any and all federal legislation. It's seen as the pathway to Treaty and Truth.
The referendum will fail because most people can see that the Uluru Statement is a power grab by activists, intent on dragging the country down, taking over land and making huge coin at everyone else's expense.
For those who don't know this is the biggest scam in Australian history where people with the least amount of Aboriginal blood get to spend 40 billion a year on themselves while real Aboriginal people are living under bits of corrugated iron in the bush. Now the same people that are responsible for 50 years of poverty with real Aboriginal people are now being asked to put the voice together despite the fact that they have been proven to corrupt and only spend the money on themselves so many times. How can we have a debate if no real Aboriginal people are involved we don't see them on TV do we ? because they will spill the beans On The corruption. It is disgusting that they are lying to the Australian people and the Aboriginal people about changing anything because that's what politicians have been saying for 50 years and it's all crap And if 40 billion dollars worth of bureaucrats a year is it enough of a voice I don't know what is
Couldn’t have summarised it better myself. That’s why My family and I are voting No
Take your head out of your ass, that looks mighty painful.
From what I have heard from the no campaign is that most people have a lot of questions that are likely not to be answered until after the referendum. There is a belief that Indigenous people share the same health and socio-economic outcomes so therefore, the Voice is not necessary; or that the Voice would have greater power than proposed and white people are the ones who are going to be disadvantaged in long term. While the Voice would make treaty and truth telling more likely, I do not think "having constitutional power to influence future legislation" is the right way to word it. This is because it suggests the Voice would be able to change legislation or have special powers. Instead, it provides an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander perspective. Off course, the government of the day can choose to ignore suggestions and advice by the Voice but that is a question for another matter.
As an Aussie, 100% agree. World stage is misrepresenting what this actually means and considering the majority of indigenous leaders in Australia are opposing our govts BS beaurocratic blank cheque so Albo can create a legacy
Long Live the Indigenous people of Australia
Unfortunately the government is supporting funding bodies of people that aren't really Aboriginal they just think they are because they have a distant grandmother that was . The real Aboriginal people are living in the most disgusting conditions on earth even with laws telling us we can't go to their communities to see how live because the funding bodies won't give them any money or services. It's such a complicated issue .Australians want something done about the corruption which is what we're trying to do at the moment by stopping this
@80sHEAVYMetalPowerBALLAD-bt3pv Australia is for the native Australians
Nope🤣 maybe they should act normal for once instead of every time I drive in town and see them abuse their gfs and children
@@julia2k8and you're obviously no aboriginalsm Because they don't like that word 😭 if you were here you'd know what they're really like there's a reason they have the reputation they have but ok
Voting no because it causes division
The BBC as always doesn't understand anything about the Voice. The Australian PM Albanese, Minister of Indigenous Australians Burney, along with Voice protagonists such as Mayo and Langton have misrepresented the true scope of the Voice which is part of a well documented six stage strategy, the Voice itself is stage 5 and stage 6 is Makarrata.
The aims are clearly stated "A TREATY could include a proper say in decision making, the establishment of a TRUTH commission, REPARATIONS, a financial settlement (such as seeking a PERCENTAGE OF GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, RECOGNITION OF AUTHORITY and CUSTOMARY LAW" (from page 19 of a 26 page document released under FOI (FOI/2223/016) from the National Indigenous Australian Agency, page 1 is titled Uluru statement from the heart [centre justified]) "Makarrata is the culmination of our agenda" from the Uluru Statement from the Heart (page 1).
Mayo himself is on record confirming this stating “presenting the strategy going forward, which was simply that, first we would pursue a VOICE so that we could have the best possible say on the MAKARRATA commission”.
So its very clear, not only is the Voice a planned assault on democratic principles, not only does it introduce race/cultural identity into the constitution, its part of an agenda that the Prime Minister himself promotes VOICE - TREATY - TRUTH. He even has the T - shirt.
Moreover, the National Indigenous Australian Agency (now under Linda Burney) has had executive authority to close the gap since 2019. (e) specify the functions of the National Indigenous Australians Agency be as follows: iii. to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; (Federal register of legislation, C2019G00474).
I note, life expectancy for Indigenous men increased from 56.6 years in 1999 to 65.6 years in 2018 (change, 9.0 years; 95% CI, 7.9-10.0 years) and from 64.8 to 69.7 years for Indigenous women (4.9 years; 95% CI, 3.2-6.7 years); Med J Aust 2022; 217 (1): 30-35. || doi: 10.5694/mja2.51553
Furthermore, the three clauses to be inserted into section 129 of the constitution do not include the words advice, advisory or advise: - i There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander Voice. - ii The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to Parliament and the Executive Government on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. - iii The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to the composition, functions, powers and procedures of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice (AEC).
To be clear there is a clear legal definition of ATSI - "An Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander is a person of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander DESCENT who IDENTIFIES as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and is ACCEPTED as such by the community in which he or she lives."
The Voice is clearly designed to give unique access, based on a specific race/cultural identity, to all levels of government, PARLIAMENT and EXECUTIVE GOVERNMENT.
All other Australians do not get this access. Vote NO "it is a ruthless con job" (Greg Craven, The Australian). Stuart Wood AM KC, "It is unconscionable that a government would, with full knowledge, put forward a seriously deficient and misleading question, in an attempt to misinform the Australian people at a referendum as critical as the one ahead" (IPA, 12th September, 2023).
Look why do you think that someone's going to read a thousand words if you want to communicate you need to do it in a succinct way . ...now this is about white Aboriginal corruption stealing money from the real Aboriginal people and wanting political power without being voted in . None of these insane ideas you suggest come from the full blooded Aboriginal people that is con job by the white Aborigines who like to keep the real ABORIGINAL people hidden away in reservations where no one can see them so they can keep the corruption going
That's so great
One problem is a lot live in remote area's where their numbers have grown, their is no work, no infrastructure nothing there to do and they refuse to move to find work or for better living conditions.
They are tribal people they can't just leave their Homeland and set up somewhere else they will be ostracised they will not have any connection to their family or anything like that it's completely ridiculous to suggest that they should move when there is a 40 billion dollar budget to look after them but the white Aborigines won't actually pass it on that is the problem
I moved to find work. So did many of my (Indigenous) relatives.
And if I reject a job offer out of my town I am penalised
❤❤
No one’s building walls around the aboriginal people, no one’s stopping them from being apart of Australian society, aboriginal people make up 8% of parliament already. On the other side of the world it seems great but here it’s ridiculous and makes no sense to the everyday Australian who knows better.
For 3% of the population, Indigenous people have a huge voice, already. Apart from constant and extensive media coverage of indigenous issues, there are more than 3% of federal parliamentarians who identify as indigenous, there is a cabinet department of Indigenous Affairs with an indigenous cabinet minister, the Prime Minister of the day is compelled to officially report to Parliament on "Bridging the Gap" every year, there is welcome to country at just about every official event and the Aboriginal flag flys on just about every government building. The voice is a cynical and largely symbolic gesture which enshrines race division in the constitution for ever, for one group over all other groups, will only complicate and delay reforms and also has the potential to create unintentional negative consequences and costs. Indigenous people are already involved in political decision making and I would agree with even more involvement but in the ways that occur at present.
It's non-binding and advisory, what would be the issue, if policies are inclusive then there should be no divisiveness. Australia has a certain racist reputation in other parts of the world already and I'd personally consider this a huge step forward that colonisers would finally give a voice to the original inhabitants that were subjugated, they were there first
It may be non-binding but the elite who are chosen and the media will have huge leverage over the government of the day to comply. Australia is one of the least racist countries and should not be pressured by insulters into making a wrong decision for appearances sake (this betrays a weak argument and an inappropriate motivation). The original inhabiters are not here anymore. I come from a European background associated with a country that had many, many colonisers in history. To me, colonisation is part of the evolution of the world and who was first is not paramount.@@explorer47422
The main issue with Aboriginal Australians is their constant complaining about at how they USED to be treated.
Yes - Aboriginal people were treated terribly at the start of the colonial era. But how can we progress if we constantly look back at those times?
Look at Asian people. They were discriminated, excluded and neglected by British people at the start of colonial Australia.
How did they respond? They did NOT blame others, they did NOT point the finger, they did NOT act as the victim.
Asians toughened up and become the hardest working people in Australia. Pouring blood sweat and tears to find some success.
Eventually, a reputation grew of Asians being obedient, stoic and hard-working. Tolerance for Asians improved over the decades.
Now look at Asians - On average they are the richest and most educated in Australia. Lowest crime rates. They don’t complain about their unfair past, they don’t point the fingers at others, they don’t want special rights.
On the other hand look at Aboriginal Australians. They are Over-represented in Prisons, Very high crime rates, High rates of poverty, Low literacy rates, Low income.
@@explorer47422What racist reputation? What a vile slur.
@@tastypymp1287 not a slur if true. I didn't say they were racist, I said they had a racist reputation, some of the toughest immigration laws in the world and a history of violence against aboriginals
I mean its their country
No it's not actually.
Let’s do the same in European countries and let Europeans have the say
@@stretfordender11 Non-European are not allowed to vote.
It’s all Australians’ country, it doesn’t matter whether you’ve been there for 60,000 years or 6 months, It’s Your Country.
australia is everyone's country
All the best wishes for all Australian's.
LISTENED TO NOEL PEARSON VERY CAREFULLY AND READ BETWEEN THE LINES. HE SAYS AUSTRALIA WAS ALREADY OCCUPIED BY PEOPLE. . JUST LIKE THE BANNERS CARIED BY ACTIVISTS SAYING ,PAY THE RENT. IT IS THE AGENDA AND THE YES VOTERS WONT LIKE THE RESULT. THAT IS WHY I AM VOTING NO.
IF THE YES VOTE WAS TO GET UP AND EVERTHING GOES PEAR SHAPED , MOST YES VOTERS WON'T ADMIT TO VOTING FOR IT.
We're in such a mess down here .The people with the least amount of Aboriginal run all the committees and handle all the funding leaving real Aboriginal people living in the bush in the most hideous conditions while the people with the least amount of Aboriginal blood sitting on the committees are spending 40 billion dollars a year on themselves. And now they want to put this into the constitution
@80sHEAVYMetalPowerBALLAD-bt3pv so you were celebrating the fact that we're not divided by talking about divisive terms like woke designed to put you into hate groups . Now we haven't actually done anything other than stopping the rot getting any worse . We still have Aboriginal people living under bits of corrugated iron but there's no political will now because people treat it like a sporting match so onto the next big thing
Australians hold equality a national value. The Voice would shatter that equality. The Voice was designed by activists who disregard equality and want a bigger voice than others. The Voice would bring nothing to indigenous people that they do not alread have access to. Indigneous people are being held back the Indigenous Elites, may who are activists, they want to perpetuate the same same old problem because thay benefit from the power and money. Australians have had enough of this and want reources given to the grassroots indigenous through rgovernment restructuring. The Voice gives power but no detail, no accountability or process. It is the first time Australians have had to face a group who want to usurp the constitution and roll of government. Voting down this proposed change to the constitution is the only way to prevent a 'trojan horse' destroying equality and fairness for all.
Thank God this nonsense got smashed .
Absolutely NO! Aussies will rule
All Australians are equal under the law. To give certain citizens more rights than others based on blood is called racism.
The Australian law is entrenched in colonialist and Eurocentric paradigms, leading to systemic oppression of indigenous Australians.
Constitutional recognition can contribute to breaking down these power dynamics that determine Australian society and create relationships of dominance and subordination between subgroups of Australians.
The way the law has operated DOES NOT work in practice, statistics and evidence have continuously proven it. Individual protest is the origin of social change, and it’s clear that the current system is completely and utterly ineffective so change is required.
Except they're not all equal, are they? Laws are often applied very differently to different groups depending on which group created them. The US has always had 'all men are created equal' in their constitution since the 1700s and yet apartheid lasted until the 1950s. Racism towards aboriginals continues to be well documented and to think it isn't happening is a naive opinion only non-aboriginals seem to have, surprisingly.
All citezens are not equal before the law. Voting makes things unequal.
The majority can always decide what happens to the minority in democracies.
Because no matter how good you think your country is, it always comes down to an arbritraty piece of paper, where millions of uneducated idiots can decide the fate of so few people.
The human race is awful and nothing we do is great.
LoL are you kidding? They are treated like second class citizens
The referendum isnt about giving anyone more legal rights than anyone else, its actually more a symbolic gesture if anything to recognise Aboriginal Australians in their special status in this country which arises from culture and history, by giving them a special voice that doesnt have any actual power but is only there to represent this special status. We all already recognise this special relationship all the time, from what I can see we all are behind it in our society already. The Voice is just a way to recognise this special status and relationship it in the most formal and significant way our system of law and government will allow.
All the best for all the indigenous of world 🌎
Especially white Europeans eh? We’re being attacked on all sides at the moment!
The people with the least amount of Aboriginal blood on all the funding committees are holding the country to ransom and not giving any money to the real aboriginal people it's been a scam that's been going on for 50 years and now they want to put this into the constitution
@@mysweetcupcake1788 especially Europeans. It’s like Roukes Drift here at the moment!
@FerozFrootan-yx6uy You really are a feroz fruit brain arnt you?
Yep
Yes !
I'm just hoping Anthony Albanese will have the Australian decency to do a beautiful Boris Johnson of resigning on the stairs of Australian parliament, it will be defeated easily in Australia, the betting is 4.5 to1. Loss
Early voting began last week on the 29th and as an mixed indigenous and Irish I voted no along with over 50 people in our small indigenous community, population 65.
Cool story bro
Vote NO means no change at all, vote YES makes needed change and progress possible.
@@jaaksavat7916
BS yes means the same people will be talking as it always is.
@@michaeljohnseanpatrickturn9955 that's an idiocy
@@jaaksavat7916bet your white, well I'm not. Indigenous Australia worst friends Liberal, do gooding whites.
How to postal vote
... Average Australians are made to feel like tenants in Australia, just like Canadians and New Zealanders
This whole ordeal is so dumb too, this whole thing just the vote for this is costing the Australian people $365 million to say if you support racism and dividing the people.(yes) or if you are against it (No) is just wild.
THIS REFERENDUM COST 360 MILLION OZ DOLLARS. I PAY 50% TAXES IN AUSTRALIA.
The five eyed beast is merciless..
Bbc comentator got it wrong.Aboriginal & Torres Strait Is.people have always been included in the Constitution.Along with everyone else.
Not true
@@xinniethepooh204show us the constitution line that excludes first nations people, or any other race specific criteria.
@@gregordavis you should know that the 1967 referendum amended section 51 (xxvi) of the constitution to remove a component where parliament cannot make laws in regards to aboriginal peoples. By removing that specific component, it is now unconstitutional for any race to be disregarded by the government when legislating. Your question is outdated by about 60 years
Albanese needs to understand that he is Prime Minister of Australia, not Prime Minister of Aborginia.
the Uluru ‘statement’ pretence, invention, sanctimoniousness, trickery…
‘We ask Australians to accept our invitation to walk with us.’
Sounds good, although why didn’t you, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders already accept Australians' invitation to walk with us? Please express in words why? Also our invitation, followed our apology. Make us understand how billions, hundreds of billions of dollars spent over generations means nothing. Let us further understand how giving away, you say it is returned… Handing over more than 50% of Australia to less than 2.5 % of the population is equitable, unbiased, unprejudiced, and objective. Let us further make sense of how your Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders recognition in Australia requires (conditions) that you also now undermine Australian democracy.
The Uluru Statement is what only the activists want and not Aboriginal and Torres Islander peoples as a whole. The convention was attended by just 250 delegates selected from 14 communities “Dialogues” capped at 100 attendees with only 60% allocated to Indigenous people. Attendance was by invitation only, which according to the Referendum Council, was to ensure each dialogue reached a consensus. In politics, the word for that is “stacked”. Despite being handpicked, several delegates rejected the Uluru statement and walked out of the convention.
Makarrata literally means a spear penetrating, usually the thigh, of a person that has done wrong…
I believe all those responsible in both orchestrating and spreading the Uluru Statement, as though it was a legitimate, compelling, pragmatic, document. That genuinely spoke and represented all Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander’s opinions. And wasn’t the flawed inaccuracy, misrepresentation, pretext, and activists propaganda that is is need to face a genuine historically accurate Makarrata.
It literally hurts my head when I try to consider this. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander groups clans peoples historically had no written history; the very nature of these cultures was impermanent, temporary, passing both in the tangibility of their ephemeral cultures, and transient nature of their day to day existence. They spoke different, distinct languages and dialects, thus even inter group communication was difficult, and imprecise and consequently substantially unreliable.
The evidence, substantiation, proof that these are indeed the ‘rightful’ historically associated groups, clans, peoples, is incredibly ambiguous, and unclear. And provisional on whose story you are believing, presuming. Additionally Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander groups clans peoples impermanent, temporariness, passing fluidity adds yet another level of complexity, entanglement, confusion, and complication. Perhaps you are able to achieve a level of assurity that a group, clan, peoples occupied a specific territory, the question of ownership exists, was this land ‘shared’ was it once solely occupied, then ‘taken’ then ‘shared’ the entire history is required. How is then this history acquired? How is this history acquired accurately?
And this is before you even begin trying to justify retroactively granting this authority due to some antecedental linage.
To pass a law anytime, certainly anytime this century that gives such sweeping rights, powers, ownership, proprietorship, and authority, to any historically proven transient, temporary, non-permanent, and mercurial groups, clans, peoples, is clearly wrong and profoundly grievously counterfactual.
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander groups should not be simply bestowed with such a consequential level of authority vested upon them simply because Australian society feels guilty. Or because there may have been historic injustices that befell their ancestors.
This is not reasonable, equitable, nor is it appropriate.
Our nation's genuine history has been entirely subverted throughout the last two decades with: ‘truth’ telling that there is now virtually only one Australian hero, the innocent, entirely virtuous Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander’s who were wronged by ‘white men throughout their innocent, and entirely virtuous histories.
the voice is a hateful, racist and divisive thing. vote no. send a message that all Australians are equal
I think it is bloody outrageous in this day and age the indigenous peoples of a nation do not have any say in how their country, their nation is run!
They very much do.
No one has any say. Do you think we the people want petrol and diesel cars phased out by 2030 ?
I don’t understand. They are allowed to vote! Just like everyone else! Why do we have to make a special voice for them? Do you really Aboriginals are so helpless and incompetent that you need to make a special voice for them?
@@paul7TM'Admittedly' , white Australians love Racism.
They have the same as anyone else.
Can't believe I gotta waste a perfect saturday on this bullshit.
@bbc news This has been long overdue just like the Yoruba indigenous people right to self determination that your government amalgamated to other nations in Nigeria. This is because in a democratic society ability to exercise fundamental human right is not limited.
- I am Yoruba
- I speak Yoruba
- I am an indigenous Yoruba
My grandson, here in Oz, asked me what this yes no thing is all about.. I asked him to pick yes or no? I know what my question was but he doesn't know the details. He thought about it and said yes, because it sounds positive. Well I said the details were,if you say yes, that I will punch you in the face and take all of your toys. That's not fair. But you said yes without knowing the details
that's the trick: it "sounds" positive. but with the lack of details from the yes camp it failed spectacularly.
it's gaslighting at the federal level.
How can you have such proposal with a broken system?
It is hard if not impossible to state it in short words better than Senator Price : "Australia should be united together as one, not divided by race. The proposed new ‘Voice’ in parliament is divisive and dangerous - it will only push Australian apart. Take action to keep Australians united!" We should never have any 'treaties' based on racial, ethnic and historical divisions. These differences can be rather mutually enriching and uniting Australians, if they are cultural differences of people with absolutely equal social and political rights. Otherwise, these differences could mutate into means of destructive divisions!
Throughout human history, the face of the entire world has always been changing: its ethnic groups, countries, borders, etc. Many of these changes have been unjust as they resulted from conflicts, violence, local and world wars, and crimes against humanity. We need to constantly learn from our history that not to create new injustices. One of such lessons suggests that we must not attempt to heal committed injustices by new injustices. Our history shows that any attempt to reverse established historical reality turns into injustice. In case of our country Australia, it is not possible to heal historical wounds of Indigenous people by giving them a special constitutional status and rights, or even 'sovereignty'. More than 26 millions Australians should not be discriminated compared to less than a million Indigenous people. We need to find just and really democratic ways of efficiently addressing their issues. Injustice cannot be healed by injustice!
With full respect to Indigenous people and regrets of what happened to them in the colonial past, we all still have to realize that the historical reality is that Australian nation consists now of people from many ethnic and cultural backgrounds. The Indigenous people group is not the biggest one and not the one, which made the biggest contribution into creating of modern Australia. Anyway, regardless of that, under no circumstances it is a good idea to try to reverse history, as it would mean racism and discrimination towards majority of people in Australia, which are not responsible at all for our colonial past. We need to strongly condemn colonial crimes and atrocities but accept historical reality and have really democratic society, where we all should be absolutely equal in our rights. No one, including Indigenous people, should have any special privileges regardless of their background and history. It is why I am against Voice and any specific ethnic and/or racial 'treaties' but strongly for really democratic Australian republic where every person would be absolutely equal in their rights.
ridiculous
How so?
“Hey brother you got 2 dollar”that’s their voice
Ridiculous. Nobody should be guaranteed anything on account of their ethnicity.
It’s simple just VOTE NO AUSTRALIA AND USE A PEM
This is unnecessary. Just creates more division
The first people were never equal in their own country.
It's incorrect that there is a presumption that an Indigenous Voice to Parliament means there will be permanent Indigenous disadvantage. An Indigenous Voice's functions would also include representations about conservation of the lands, the seas and Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander culture. The latter will be around forever, and hopefully one day, all Australians will consider Aboriginal culture and knowledge as a gift and contribution to society alongside western inventions/sciences.
The purported justification for the existence of this body is to address aboriginal disadvantage. If this doesnt come with the implicit understanding that it will be decommissioned once the disadvantage is eliminated then you would be in-effect painting them as victims forever.
Realistically issues faced by Aboriginals are endemic to isolated Aboriginals communities and will exist for as long as those communities exist. Anything you come up with will never amount to anything more than a bandaid fix. if you want to meaningfully address these problems then you should be promoting policies that facilitate Aboriginal integration into regular Australian society (eg. Jobs programs).
Australia (as a nation) is a first-world democratic society based on British liberalist principles. It's not Aboriginal land or sea anymore and hasnt been for hundreds of years. Their culture isnt deserving of any greater consideration than any other culture.
I think reasonable people understand that there's only so much mileage you can get out of the 'culture and knowledge' of illiterate, pre-agriculture, semi-nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes whose 'balance with nature' caused the extinction of the Australian Megafauna.
Am I the only one who thought the anchor was like a vampire?🙄🙄
Argument for yes put here makes absolutely no sense - change the constitution because first nations people have a lower than average life expectancy. How about addressing causes - stress, diet, healthcare access, better quality housing.
There's no money or power in that
Many years of building house, they destroy them, literally.
Already spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars on all that. They eat junk cause they want to. As for healthcare, they have more benefits, free services than most, I don't begrudge them that as their health issues are quite significant. I do however take issue with your ignorant comment. You obviously don't know what you're on about. Just jumping on the wagon.
@@josephwinder6878 My uncle was really into it, actually bought some investment houses and let them live there for free, even paid the electricity bill. He went to visit his properties one day and they were completely destroyed, he sold them after that.
All indigenous peoples including Europeans should have the final say over anything that happened in their country.
Who is indigenous to Australia, the country and state?
@@tastypymp1287the aboriginal people are the indigenous people of Australia
@@12thWardGator No they're not. Australia did not exist, the Europeans formed it.
@@tastypymp1287On top of people who were already there... that's the whole point.
@@soundscape26 So what? That's happened throughtout the world 1000s of times. What's the big deal here?
unnecessary! all voters have voice thru' the ballot box
Not there.
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@@Dwight.K.Schrute.No?
Just vote NO
Well done Australians!
For what?
@@tastypymp1287 for putting this change in constitution up for votation
@@AlexdaCunha Why is that cause for celebration?
@@AlexdaCunha😂😂😂
@AlexdaCunha it took till 1962 for indigenous Australians to get voting rights, only included into the census in 1965. Segregation ended inly in 1973 and Terra nullius was overturned as late as 1992. I'm afraid there hasn't changed much since,
the whole infrastructure of Australia and Australia as a country itself was built by White People, there was nothing in Australia before White People arrived on the Island, these so called Indigenous People lived in Poverty on the island and survived on hunting and Gathering, therefore arrival of Europeans and Settling on the Island was the best thing happened for Australia.
Note: Conquest, Warfare and Slavery happened in the world since the dawn of the civilization, and all ethnic and Racial groups at one point of time in Human History were involved in Conquest, Warfare and Slavery so therefore its unfair to single out Whites for things that People of other Racial and Ethnic groups also carried out in human History.
That's a somewhat arrogant statement, yes some indigenous Australians had a hunter gatherer life but that doesn't diminish their existence or rights. They also had farming and settlements but these were ignored also they've been there at least 40,000 years. Recognised as flora and fauna by the Europeans /Brits they were treated abominably they weren't even recognised as a person until 1963. If this is what the aboriginal people want then fine, but saying No because you think white people created Australia is racist, maybe the referendum should just be for aboriginals but a few token places in government aren't enough to redress the balance.
@@janwallace5005 there was no infrastructure in Australia before the Europeans arrived, no roads, no universities, no bridges, no electricity, no Dams etc.. this is a fact, these facts may hurt your liberal feelings but it is a fact, these so called indigenous lived a hunter gatherer lifestyle and lived in abject poverty, they created nothing, arrival of Europeans was the best thing happened to Australia, I think all White
Europeans must take pride in the fact that their ancestors created a great Rich country from Scratch.
As far this notion of Warfare and Conquest, well warfare and Conquest have been taking place since the dawn of the civilization, and all ethnic groups at one point of time in human history have been involved in warfare and conquest, so White People owe nothing to anyone and owe no apology to anyone
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From what i have heard, Most Australians originally supported the voice, but dont like being called Racist if they vote no, and so they are voting no lol.
Most Aussies are kind, caring people. We want to " close the gap" but when we are abused, lied to, and scammed of hundreds of millions of dollars. Which keeps vanishing by the way, we tend to see through the blatant manipulation of a select few very well to do city activists. We will not feel ashamed for voting no. We did the Right thing.
It’s soooo weird. You move to a new land and exclude the native population from participating 🤷♀️
That's right.
35 billion dollars every year isn't being excluded.
@@Antechynus Did the first people ask for any of this money, that you and most speak of, here's some advice, you can stick your money as our first people didn't ask for any of it anyway.
@beepbeep6861 "don't want it?"... they've been taking handouts since day 1... unfortunately greedy, corrupt Indigenous elders and friends waste it.
Any culture that says keeping my children in poverty and violence in the desert is more important than moving and accessing the same opportunities every other child has... is an ignorant stoneage culture and should be relegated to the past.
they hate working..they wanna lay around and get drunk@@beepbeep6861
It will only cause greater division - whatever happened to ONE AND FREE - wish Australia was like Chillingbourne.
Can Britain do this please?
What a waste of time. They’ll get an overwhelming no vote. How about reparations for civilising these stone age savages? Or even just a thank you?
Indigenous people are brilliant in a way that white society has difficulty comprehending. It is a spiritual not a materialist culture.
Good luck to the real original Australians
They were wiped out by the Aboriginals long ago.
@@mikem9001What a crock.
Good luck to dividing australia? Fuck no!
@@mikem9001 my god how a country whose white Australian roots come from a bunch of shackle draggers can be so amazingly stupid amazes me
@80sHEAVYMetalPowerBALLAD-bt3pv rascist shackle dragger,your country is the new South Africa 🇿🇦
vote no, yes vote is racist
As an Australian, I just came for all the uninformed comments, many of them made by non Australians, some who have likely never even been here.
What's that wokey? Did you say something?
@@tastypymp1287
Pull your head in half-wit, I'm in the no camp.
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OT: Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI.
1:14 Utterly unbelievable😕
Vote No!
Vote Yes.
No thanks Whiteman@@frankpeter9145
haha u lost@@frankpeter9145
Silly
If not now Australia, then when will we be ready for our first people.
when they wanna fit it with 97% of australia
14 aboriginal members in parliament why haven’t they done more until now ask yourself that
@@annieroberts1910 You didn't answer my question.
@@beepbeep6861 I think I did your just arrogant
@@annieroberts1910 I think you are.
I wish the Aboriginal people the best and they are the genuine owners of the lands and it's natural resources.
No, they say they do not own the land, they are just caretakers. We can manage it now!
And there is the difference between Australia and South Africa
I'm very proud to be Australian, I love youz all whatever youz vote. I hope we have come far enough to get this through. We got a lot of other stuff done so I think we can. I'm not really sure what all the No debate is for, I hope its just our pitiful Australian media which is what happens when you let private foreign interests into majority control. Of course its a big YES from me. The Voice will not take away anyone's rights, it doesnt cost much to listen, the Voice will not have any actual power but is a way to communicate and represent, but most importantly is a way to recognise the special status of our indigenous people in this land, in our most powerful source of law being the constitution. I think its only appropriate, its long overdue, it costs you very little and you give up nothing. Why would anyone vote No?
You're just treating them like children.
@@tastypymp1287 I wont be too worried about people taking morality lessons from tastypymp lol Good luck! XO
The Constitution will NOT give FN ppl the right to elect Voice members
So it would protect the Voice as an institution ONLY
Not FN ppl and their voices to the Voice at all
You've been had
@@EchoBravo370 that's your view. It's more likely you've been had though, since I'm in tip 10 percent in intelligence and you are speaking as though you must be bottom 30 at least.
@@iavdortmunder8132 Did your "top 10 in intelligence" enable yoiu to spell and use grammar correctly? 😂
This shouldn’t even be up for a vote. This should be done immediately.
Why?
@dominichill197733 You shouldn't even be in UA-cam, traitor
Indigenous ppl have asked for this change to be put into the Constitution. This requires a referendum before any legislation can be enacted.
Can we do this in European countries?
@@tastypymp1287the clue is in the word indigenous.
Distraction and Division
It's not to include them in the constitution for the first time, they are already on par with rights of other citizens. This is about giving them premium rights, and Australians aren't having it.
VOTE YES ! 🙌🇦🇺⚫️🔴🟡
Let’s improve Australia by making sure a better quality of life is had for our disadvantaged citizens.
Let’s vote YES to recognise in the constitution Aboriginal and Torres-Strait islanders unique place in Australian Society and history
Let’s vote YES to work together, listen to one another and make a better more unified and multicultural place for all of our children to live 🇦🇺⚫️🔴🟡
Go straya !!!
Well having cartoon figures and all sorts of crap is all very well but how do you intend to stop the white Aboriginal corruption that has caused this problem in the first place? Now the same people that have caused the problem are being asked to put the voice together the corrupt white Aborigines who keep putting the money in their pocket but won't give any to the real Aboriginal people or even allow them on TV for a debate because they are worried about the corruption being exposed. How is it that the only Aboriginal people in this country that have millions of dollars in the bank are people that have been sitting on these committees for 50 years scamming the system? It is a con job so that the white Aborigines can keep doing what they're doing without anybody stopping them
If this is the salesman pitch, I wouldn’t vote yes.
Voted no
@@DatsunBloke7357 the TV referendum just finished 70% No voters
😅🤣😂😂🤣😅🤪 not now, not ever!
This will be good to run this referendum every couple of years (asssuming 'no' vote wins) to gauge the relative racism of Australians by the yes/no %'s 😉
Only a non-tax paying dole bludger would think that is a great idea, because you don't care about the money wasted.
Idiot
This is really disgusting. As a Kiwi, and ex BBC World Service, who has lived in OZ, a lot longer than your 'immediate ' reporters, white. I can add a whole lot more.
"non-binding advice", which means they will be heard, but not necessarily followed. So what's the problem? Why not recognize their voice? Effin racists.
Boo hoo. Ignorant man
bbc will bring back problems like boomerang
Its about time! They are the original inhabitants! How dare the the bigots feel the aboriginals shouldn't be equal
They already are equal. This wants to make them 'special'.
I think they all have one vote?
@@tastypymp1287equal in what exactly? Aboriginals have been suffering ever since colonialism, and the effects of the white Australia policy is still felt by these communities. They live in dramatically worse conditions compared to others
@@xinniethepooh204 How are they not equal before the law? What rights do they lack?
@@xinniethepooh204 Compared to who?
I think their problems can be solved by very very good transport links using governemnt funding to the communities that are disadvantaged.
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Indigenous Australian society is far from democratic. We know their elites will benefit and the rest will continue to suffer if Yes wins.
1st cmnt🤘
Nobody cares
@@Hayastantzi92I care😂
@@Hayastantzi92i care, he is cool now, I hope one day I will be as cool as him.
Nobody cares
😂😂😂 Fox 🦊 holding referendum for chicken 🐓
Happier in the stone age.🤣🤣 BBC onto any BAME story for 24/7 virtue signalling
Yawn. Woke af.
Your ignorant AF.
Apartheid Australia 💡
Clown.
Nonsense.
@factsoverfear9771 TALK TO ME RIGHT NOW, YOU COWARD
@@jamesmorrow1646 In your colonial mind it isn’t. Gods judgments are coming
@@factsoverfear9771talk to me you coward
Vote NO
VOTE YES
Why are you voting no?
8 likes in this comment? HOW FRAUDULENT
@@xinniethepooh204 every person is equal today, whatever his/ her race, skin, or ingenious is. Any person or race can't be over other person or race
@@jeanclaudejunior but it is true!😂
The voice will lead to compensation, then it will lead to Aboriginal land tax, then it will lead to a Republic. This country is British, vote no to keep us a constitutional monarchy!
Classic fear mongering from spastics like you
Vote no for electric cars
Vote yes for evs
EV's are nice... much less noise pollution.
@@soundscape26 they burn nice too, spontaneously combust and can't be put out for days, burn down whole ships, crap range, take ages to charge and expensive so only for the rich. You can put a positive slant on anything but principles and truths still remain. Now gow and polish some turds.
@@jeanclaudejunior the point is we are not voting either way but told that petrol and diesel sales are to be banned and we can't even choose whether to have petrol diesel or EVs.
Hey all you Aussie’s do you understand that all of this fuss about us Koori people is just giving us more power and the money and land that we deserve
Yeah right. Idiot
When is SS gruppenfurher zelenskyy turning up at the australian parliament?
When the YES vote gets through, VOTE NO!!
Yes. We need a full solution to Australian division and a lack of treaty, not another half measure to further divide.
Yes to the Aboriginal voice.
that's the thing: there's no silver bullet to fix this. I would be ok with an acknowledgement in the preamble of the constitution as a starting point.
The movement is on in the Pacific and iam glad the indegenous are becoming educated and vocal now when it comes to their rights...As a pacifc island indigenous rights activist, id tell any critics if they have a problem with that, take it up with Charles and Camilla and their now broken down palace cause countries like NZ and Fiji for example are now all reviewing their indegenous rights especially when it comes to land issues for example. Exposing the Colonial days BS is important and trust me, we will expose all the wrong doings and even back track everything to even lands sold with a gun and a bottle of rum. Its time to tell the truth... Until u all get the damn freakin Union Jacks out of ur flags first, only than can GOD open blessings to all our pacific island nations... I for one can boldly say to the British, ...COME TAKE THE TRASH U CAME AND DUMB ON OUR SHORES SO U ALL GO FACT CHECK THAT... A Move Long Overdue 💔💔💔
Good for them
Have a cry loser