@@DisketteKitchen I need to be able to edit things and sync between computers Having to retype everything to be in a digital format would be a ton of extra work for no reason
One of the goals of an efficient and effective IT department is standardization. It's the reason businesses don't buy from a different manufacturer each year or upgrade period. Chromebooks' badness is part of what makes them cheap and easy to admin. Compared to letting everyone bring a mix or to buying a different corporate sell-off each year, chromebooks end up making sense for a school that has to consider the lifetime cost. They're bad, but they're consistently and equally bad. This saves the school the burden of supporting personal laptops, and it shields them from discrimination complaints where students who are given managed hardware feel it is worse in some way. It's also a TI situation, where a private corporation has weaseled in as a "necessity" in public schools and now we can't extract them without breaking things.
Chromebooks are just so damn boring! Even a cheap Windows laptop usually has better specs. I see a Chromebook and immediately want to install Linux on it.
Chromebook user here. Linux is installable in settings and I use it to run Firefox and that's also how you can play steam games and such. They can do a lot if you know how to use them
I agree for use cases you talk about, but my parents have trouble with the different layers of abstraction that come with a regular pc. The fact that a browser has different rules than the regular window manager, for example. Switching them to chromebooks has cut down on parental tech support massively.
can't screw it up if it's just a web browser and android tablet glued together. I don't disagree that they're useful, but at the same time I wish there was a version that allowed you to use a better browser, like firefox or librewolf, etc.
Actually in the terms of school we should not be getting kids started on chromebooks when in the real world you WILL be using windows at work hand down no debate, you setting kids up for failure when they can’t operate a computer
I’m a windows user, dabbled in Linux and MacOS, probably a few months away from dual booting Debian on my main system. What about most occupations guarantee that people “WILL be using windows at work hands down no debate”? Unless they’re getting in programming or software development, I can’t see how anything a computer oriented job requires you to do can’t be done in a browser. The Chromebooks in the cheap end might be utter shit in accordance to pricing, but the value they save underfunded schools in bulk orders does make a difference We’re talking about schools spending some 20-30% more on windows laptops that are equally shitty or worse, just for the potential to… “prepare” them, for an increasingly browser based world? Even billion dollar tech companies I’ve worked under have resources to teach you software basics and IT support on hand because unless you’re in a development position, they don’t expect you to be a computer wizard. Spreadsheets, presentations, emails and virtual conferences, and even specialised tools specific to your work are more than likely available on a browser.
@@singhaxes7810Schools should be buying used laptops off of offices. They could run linux, which is a more capable os than chrome, and the build quality will be better.
Interestingly kids have been using Chromebooks in schools for 5-10 years now depending on the district. So the first kids who know would have used Chromebooks for most of their school years will be entering the work force right about now. We might start seeing a shift where workplaces start deploying Chromebooks to meet workers where their skills are
I love Chromebooks. My mom's Windows PC needs constant troubleshooting while her Chromebook just works. Best investment I've ever made. If a Chromebook ran Ableton I'd switch to a quality one. Every time i have to interact with Microsoft's abomonation of a system my soul dies a little bit. Performance isn't everything
I see a bunch of people having tons of issues with Windows, but in my like 8 years of using it I've never had it brick itself (I have bricked it a few times, but it was completely my fault or sometimes intentional) and I've only seen like 10 bluescreens (all caused by modified GPU drivers)
Chromebooks are great for older folk, same as Apple computers but a way more reasonable price. It's locked down and secure, good luck messing it up, lol.
I get why these have become the norm, and I may have narrowly missed their distribution in my personal public school experience being 30. BUT DAMN. The unanticipated consequence of this generation of Chromebook users entering the work place, in my experience, has been a new wave of hires that are as equally scared and unfamiliar with Windows UI and Office Suite apps as the 50+ crowd. Of course I'm generalizing, but this is definitely a broad trend. American public education is famously awful, but if it did anything right it prepared people to competently sit in front of a screen for 9 hours a day.
Definitely not a norm in the circles I have been, currently in university and nowhere during my Ms/hs years have I seen someone have one as a personal device and the only time I encountered them was an external Instances loan choice.
Before I got a job and got my own ROG Strix laptop, I was chugging a 15 year old Lenovo Thinkpad. I absolutely adored it. I could run Minecraft Bedrock and Java at the same time on the laptop screen AND an external monitor. I even tried stress testing it in my young mind's way by setting up some redstone to blow up about 1K tnt each screen (heck, I even had shaders on the Java instance of Minecraft). It fell off of the counter multiple times (it even had a disk drive and not an SSD and no option for one), it had been blessed by multiple slurpings of Ramen Noodles, it had a cup of water splash on the keyboard, the J key broke off so I put the ` key in its place, and a single fan in the computer slapped on the CPU that could blow at stupid speeds. It was incredible how it had survived so long. Even then, it still can crank a few 90's in bedwars even too lol
12:32 I agree with you on this point so much. The school is spending more and providing a worse experience by not focusing on those who really need the laptop instead of giving them out to everyone
It is, just get her one with 8GB of ram minimum because the Play Store (which you can disable, but then you lose acess to android apps) eats it up. Either go with an ARM cpu for battery life and good app usage (bonus, these usually do not need fans so no maintenance needed whatsoever), or an Intel cpu for power and Linux but less battery and mandatory fans (plus, it's heavier).
hey, heads up for the graphs: in resolution, 4k is measuring the number of pixels in width, while 1080p, 720p, etc. measure the number of pixels in height. for measurement accuracy, 4k should be represented by 2160p instead
I bought a cheap acer c720 chromebook back in 2014. I believe google was subsidizing the hardware in an attempt to gain adaption, so it was under $100 new. I immediately wiped it and installed various linux distros on that thing for years. At that time, it was the perfect school machine. It had enough power to get school work done, but not really enough power to do anything too distracting.
few things i really hate chromebooks and chrome os in general: 1. installing other OS is proven to be more tricky than normal PC. imagine you need to disassemble to just remove write protection & not only that, you need to find custom BIOS to install other OS. if you successfully booted to windows/standard linux, lot of things not compatible. 2. virtualizing chrome os. yeah there is Fyde & works in VMWare BUT i want to try vanilla chrome os flex. they always don't work. i've tried vmware, virtualbox & even QEMU, none of them working! 3. keyboard. i'm not talking about the typing quality but the layout. why no super key? why the caps lock key replaced by search?
this was a real learning experience for me. got me with the title, hooked me with the data. hope your channel will continue to grow; one of the best videos i've seen all year
When i was in school, we got little ubuntu machines. They usually never had any performance problems and we would learn about open source software early on
I don't get how chromebooks can be so expensive and so bad at the same time. The hardware is very cheap and they don't even need to pay for a windows license. Also great video, the subscriber count go way up.
I sometimes think that the way technology is taught in school is detrimental to kids' acquisition of IT skills. iPads in school, while great for digital art classes and handwriting in math classes (if you can trust kids not to lose an Apple pencil... Darwin knows how often I lose and find mine), aren't really as capable (especially the lower end models), and unless the school shells out a lot for keyboard cases to convert them into iOS laptops, they'll miss out on typing practice. At least you get that on a Chromebook, but a Chromebook has a very crappy way of handling what little local storage it offers you, and every program you use is either an HTML "Web app" or the same Web app offline. Kids don't really learn about how to manage a file system, how to use programs that are stored in local storage, or even how to use Windows or MacOS, which have more in common with each other these days than they do with ChromeOS. Schools will drop everything to teach what they think is the "latest and greatest" like a crappy netbook that you can't use without a Google account, and that forces you to put whatever you can in the cloud. Kids wind up thinking that you can't even use a computer without going online. There's less coverage of the software that they'll likely be able to make a job out of - no coverage of Microsoft Excel or PowerPoint (not the limited online versions), no MATLAB or any kind of advanced calculation programs that can run outside the cloud, no professional CAD that runs in the box, no full versions of Photoshop or even Ableton or Pro Tools. No opportunities to learn SQL or Python right on your system. No KiCAD. Not even Audacity. The way I see it, the standardization of Chromebooks and iPads in school IT essentially prioritizes trends in consumer electronics among those who'd never use a laptop for fun over teaching kids useful IT skills. Keyboarding has been cut and now kids can't even type very efficiently. There's this idea that contemporary tech is easy, that it's designed to be easy, and that kids don't really need to learn it on a deeper level or learn to type since they already know. But most kids don't even use computers anymore unless their families are well-off and they're into PC gaming, music production, animation, video editing, CAD, etc., etc. They use smartphones with tiny keyboards, tablets/iPads, etc. and never really learn to type. And then, these Gen Z'ers who don't even really seem to care about computers in the slightest, whose only experience using them is on some neutered version of Linux and/or stripped down touchscreen macOS, are the ones who hunt and peck their college essays, struggle with computers in the office, never bother to learn MS Excel, etc. Would you let someone drive a bus without a license since they drove around eScooters and electric quads as a kid, or because they got to drive a tractor around the family farm occasionally? Would that mean they're already a great driver? Would such a person be trusted with the additional controls of an excavator at a construction site? Should we just say "hey, driving is easy, let's not bother to prepare kids for the road, they already know it and they depend on it!"? NO!
I've never used a chromebook so maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but why isn't it possible to use MATLAB, python, CAD software, etc. on a chromebook? All of these are doable on linux machines
I don't think that you mean Gen Z but that you actually mean Gen Alpha seeing that I, like many of my peers, grew up with actual Desktop computers and Laptops, IOS and Windows machines (mostly the latter where I come from) and still had typing classes in Middle School. And I am 24, a Uni student and in the oldest bracket of Gen Z.
@@tracervullet8667chromeos when managed by an organization (as schools do) cannot install any programs from a file and, importantly, cannot run any programs that are not in the google play store. Many schools go further and even disable the playstore, locking the users of the chromebooks into just the browser and web-based apps.
Dude is just a biased, dirty, nerdy liar with 0 fashion sense. I didn't think dudes like him were real. I mean, what is that ugly shirt? I wanted to hear some valid criticisms but instead I heard this list of garbage.
Chromebook user here. Whilst I agree the MAJORITY of Chromebooks suck, they're actually pretty decent if you just buy one with a better processor. I got one with a pentium gold (rather than the atoms or athlons they usually ship with) and I have been able to get through uni with it and it runs much faster than the one you mentioned in the video. Granted it's not perfect and a used windows laptop may be better value, but they aren't all that bad. And Google has launched Chromebook +, with better processors (like i3, i5, i7 ect) and more features.
That’s a fair point, part of what I maybe didn’t get across is just that it’s not just the hardware, but also ChromeOS by itself that’s part of the problem
@DisketteKitchen While ChromeOS is indeed very limited compared to windows, have you ever seen someone who older and isn't tech savy try to use modern windows? Genuinely, the experience is truely aweful for anyone who doesnt use computers on a regular basis. My dad, who is in his mid 50s, was unable to get past the captcha on a new Windows 11 laptop he purchased because it forced him into making a new microsoft account... So he returned it and bought a chromebook. all he wanted to do was create a new resume, so he bought a chromebook and moved on with his life since the long term performance or specs were not really important to him. Sometimes specs are not a consideration at all for the end user, its whether or not the device works at all for them. I hope this perspective is useful, keep up the good work!
Chromebooks are actually a great little puzzle gift to give to a very technical person. The challenge is to install proper Linux on it and then rice it to be just as intuitive as the admittedly pretty damn good Chromebook UI. And that's primarily how I think about them. Devices to practice things that could well brick a device without fear of spending a ton.
You should have run these tests on an unmanaged ChromeOS install, the enterprise restrictions significantly affects the performance. Of course the loading speed is much longer, they're running your traffic through a proxy with a heavy amount of checking and a lot of usage. The laptops are bought in bulk, so the school is getting it for much cheaper than the selling price.
This was best case, given it was on my home WiFi and the school only blocks sites through their network, plus part of my point is that they shouldn’t be used in schools
Dude picks garbage Chrome ooks then complains that they're garbage. Meanwhile, windows is so bloated that people struggle to create smaller and lighter versions of the garbage OS just so their conputers don't lag but then run into major problems later on because its so gutted.
There is one very specific reason I am considering buying a Chromebook. From my understanding Chromebooks are capable of using android apps. Likewise they are able purchase things off of the google play store. I use a google pixel 8 for my phone and I use calyx os instead of stock android for privacy and security reasons. Due to this it runs the Aurora store which is a front end for google play that allows me to anonymously download which app I want as long as it's free. I can also download paid apps if I temporarily sign in to a google account that has already purchased said app. My major issue I cannot actually purchase an app on Aurora. I would either need to revert to stock android or have a second device with it. The former is out of the question and a Chromebook as a toy seems more appealing to me than an old android phone.
Knock yourself out, you'll love the Chromebook. They're more usedul than Android tablets and the weasel in the video didn't use a good one on purpose. He also didn't showcase the full capabilities of the Chromebook either. For instance, he didn't show that a fast and newer one could replace an Android tablet since you can use their apps. He didn't show linux capabilities and using snap. Hes a Microsoft shill.
I spent five years as the senior technician at one of the biggest Chromebook suppliers in the country. They. Are. Terrible. How they are still relevant is insane, and disgusting.
I can see why that Samsung is struggling to play on the Chromebook. It has an old integrated graphics chip that can only play older video codecs while UA-cam has recently been pushing the newer AV1 codec. Without a proper hardware decoder, video playback tends to fallback on software decoding, and this is much more computationally intensive. A relatively simple workaround is installing a plugin like h264-ify to forcibly disable AV1 video playback and make YT fall back on using VP9 or H264
As someone who had to use them in the office, it was an absolute nightmare, constant freezes, memory leak issues, etc. Probably cut our productivity in half.
The use of chromebooks in schools is a prime example of equality vs equity - equality is giving everyone the same baseline - aka a shitty chromebook - while equity targets those most affected by inequality and dedicates resources specifically to them - i.e. giving better computers to students without them.
@@existenceispain_geekthesiren nothing wrong with chrome os if your not requiring anything other then a web browser if you ask for more then your getting outside the box of what it's designed to do
@@existenceispain_geekthesiren sure but it’s not “competing” with anyone that would be dumb. It was not designed to more than a web browser. Fundamentally 2 separate sides of a coin and a welcomed change. If you still want windows or whatever that’s fine but the mass majority of people really don’t do anything with there computers other then a web browser. To the point that most people don’t even buy new computers and have moved to tablets and the lot.
yes chromebooks don't make sense. they should cost alot less than they do. they are probably marketed towards administrators seeing how the only "good" feature they have is the remote management. all that being said i currently have six of them. the features that make me use them are open documented bios and embeded controllers, which i think is neat, not necessarily useful for most people. all the ones i'm using are using ultra low power cpus from 2016 so they're not very fast but can still handle anything except adds. does anyone know if they is a browser extension that limits cpu useage of adds?
I literally just tested a PC i made out of JUNK with an Athlon 2 and a GTS 250 on Windows 7 for a Video. That‘s a system that would roughly be over 10 years old. And it can play 1080p fullscreen EASY. 😂 Chromebooks are literal, manufactured, eWaste. Great video mate. ❤ Gonna check out more of your stuff.
an old $40 used chromebook is a great thing to have -- i think i have one in just about every room of my house. i also use them when i am taking a bath since -- if they fall in the water -- no big deal. they're not updated and sometimes a website refuses to load on it, but it's a nice disposable laptop
So I definitely get the case against schools buying Chromebooks (and am inclined to agree) but I think your Chromebook experience is far from universal. I have an Asus CM34 Flip that I got for ~$250, specifically because I didn't want to take an expensive, bulky, or particularly fragile laptop to classes. The screen is nice; it has a long battery life and charges quickly; and it does any sort of web browsing I need it to do. The Linux support with Crostini is also decent, though not ideal. Of course, I also have a desktop and wouldn't want it to be my **only** computer, but I don't feel like I would be much better off with a ~$250 Windows laptop. And good luck getting any Mac for that price.
I am one of the fortunate few that had a PowerBook or MacBook program in Middle school. It taught me Mac OS and its weird quirks. Every student got a powerbook unless they elected to purchase a MacBook which was subsidized to have a lower cost. It was locked down but parents/students got the admin rights after graduation and proceeded to use them until college. But what ultimately killed the take home program (they still kept units on site for a per class need basis) is REPAIR costs. People constantly broke these units (though they were repairable - Apple was different then) it was still costly - and that's the part about Chromebooks. They are so cheap- that replacing the unit is far cheaper than parts and labor. I agree though - Chromebooks in general (barring highest end Chromebooks) kinda suck- mainly for the ewaste and life span reasons mentioned along with price to performance ratio. Pixelbooks seem to be really well made though.
It was great- we also figured out how to Jailbreak em partially- install proxies and play flash games 😂. I think modern solution in the district is iPad deployment with a rugged keyboard case.
I use a $130 Chromebook as a typing machine and it's wonderful. They're also perfect youtube and web consumption machines for my parents and my grandfather. Most people don't need a powerhouse, in fact, especially older people with no tech background, and making them run windows or linux should be considered elder abuse
Almost fifteen seconds to load a website on a device defined by one of the most giant Internet giants is almost as funny as said device being made under the same parent company as UA-cam but struggling to play those videos. Nice vid! Also, that frog fabric reminds me of a cat fabric I got as a kid and have never figured out a worthy enough use for haha
I really wish Chromebooks were better, I've been wanting a typewriter experience for writing and chrome books seem ideal for this but I just can't justify a few hundred bucks for something that would be so miserable to use.
I wouldnt be surprised if school's got a very nice discount by buying Chromebooks in bulk or by just by letting them be the sole provider of school laptops. Honestly I think the real problem stems from it just not really teaching how to use a computer. Kids would struggle with with basic Windows systems, much more if they were forced to use Linux for work. I like to think of them as the underpowered, cheapo version of a Mac, but atleast Apple has a thriving, if expensive, ecosystem to integrate with. Google has...uh...
Bro those prices for Thinkpads are dope, in my country are really hard to fin new or used for that proce. Nice vid :D Would loved if you mentioned first the flexibility of the windows system for the non computer geeks
i did the octane bench mark on my computer while watching youtube and i got 3432 it could be becuase my computer has a pentium or becuase im using windows 8.1. i still prefer this then chromeos
Something else to add My school has these Lenovo things that have the specs of a Chromebook yet they have windows on them and it takes 10 minutes to sign in and another 10 to sign out
Great comparison, finally someone who doesn't limit the good laptop because the bad laptop doesn't have the same features (which shows the opposite of real world performance)
Holy shit, this channel just got recommended to me and it’s exactly the kind of stuff I’m into. Quite the rabbit hole of videos for me to go through now :D
I've been, and still am a student when chromebooks were starting to exist in education. As a youngin, I didn't care about the speed. But now that I have fast PC and laptop (the latter i got from a school for 80$), I now see the changes in speed. It can't even keep up with my typing! I don't type that fast, and it lags when I type. If you have a google doc, slide presentation, and wikipedia, it's barely usable, and it lags. These pieces of garbage are replacing compitent computers that can't run windows 11 because of TPM 2.0.
Oh man. Whenever I see one of those small laptops with one of those Pentium or Athlon's, I know that the experience is going to suck. Only time it ever make sense to pull the trigger on such a unit is if a deal on one comes with a Ryzen 3/Intel i3 or Ryzen 5/Intel i5. It won't be the craziest of things, but good lord the difference is night and day.
If you wanted to do another test, it'd be interesting to see how Chromebooks compare to an android tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard. Since that would be in the same price category.
I have nothing wrong with chromebooks theoretically, but oh my god the fact that kids aren't trusted with windows machines in schools makes some of the youngins completely computer illiterate.
I have no idea what a Chromebook would accomplish that my $70 mid 2011 MacBook Air couldn’t do. It is pretty slow on MacOS but with Linux it is pretty responsive, and it will stream video, do video calls, steam in home streaming, office software. Isn’t that the stuff a Chromebook is supposed to be doing?
That's why I never buy Chromebook whichever the models and type. It brings lowest system specifications and gets too little eMMC, it looks like cheapest phone I ever bought. 4GB RAM with 32GB eMMC or lower? What is that kidding?
The internet is so full of people like the dude in this video. It's like their brain is unable to think from other peoples' perspectives, so they make hyper ignorant blanket statements. In the future when you have a senior citizen parent who is targeted by scammers with the intent of installing remote software on their computer to take control of her or his computer, and/or said parent wants to watch YouYube on said computer alongside the ability to schedule appointments on a full fledged browser (mobile browsers like Safari arent exactly the best for web applications) or even want a good mouse and keyboard experience for non-complex UI navigation, id love to see which device you get them. When you have a small child who now needs a simplified computer to be able to use a full fledged browser + keyboard for their class and/or homework, id love to see which you choose. For me, i use between Linux (Ubuntu and Arch) and Windows 11 for my software development, videography and video and photo editing needs, but im not going to pretend that Chrome OS isn't the better option for certain scenarios. And no, Android and iOS/iPad OS do not satisfy those requirements, trust me. I speak from experience.
I really liked my lenovo duet comvertible tablet thing, but despite a long support life, a recent update made it unusable. I do have a desktop mac so i got an ipac mini to pair with it instead. Its too bad, with appropriate expectations, my lenovo duet was ok for quite a while. Maybe i will charge it back up and see if there is a new update that has un-ruined it
I disagree to a degree :D I use cheapo second hand chromebooks for my children as they are not good with keeping the electronics safe yet (below 10 years old, discussion re if they should be usiang anything at this point for me is moot). They both broke a few already and replacing them was as easy as loging in their accounts in with all settings being restored without additional time investment on my part. Devices were manufactured inlike 2016 and still have access to Google Play and updates, that speaking rather against treating them straight out as garbage as they are still usable in the kid scenario. Every person has different computing needs, you have mentioned needing specific software you use - I do appreciate parental settings I can easily apply and the fact that same ecosystem they share between phones make chromebooks understandable for them easily. We live in area with rather small apple services/products reception and majority of software used at schools/public spaces is actually cloud and web based, so no speciffic software would be unavailible for them. TLDR, - quite good parental controls -easily manageable and deployable - built quite sturdy, - depending on the area of usage quite compatible with existing services.
I have Recently obtained a Acer chromebook 713 for around 30€. Good Build, good Keyboard and very Nice Screen. But the 713 Series is affected of ram issues. Mine doesnt have the issues luckily. And i Must say that i really Like it for Daily Tasks. Sadly locked to a Company… My HP Envy with i7 and Rtx 3050 always gets hot and has Ass battery. So the chromebook is ideal for light Office tasks and researching something
The 2012 15 inch macbook pro i still use is a similar price to these crappy chromebooks and still offer better performance on the mac side. Last truly upgradable mac. I still use it today, and it’s great with oclp ventura. Mine has the anti glare screen with an i7-3615QM, 12 GB DDR3, and a 512 GB SSD. Great laptop tbh.
I wish ChromeOS would have embraced that it's actual Linux since the beginning and tried to compete with Ubuntu or PopOS of sorts instead of having no ambition whatsoever beyond just selling boring laptops that can barely do more than a smartphone. Yeah, I know. It's Linux. Yet it finds itself so distant from any other Linux distro instead of being a proper alternative. Can you imagine the possibilities. It could be even a alternative to the Apple ecosystem for android users.
ChromeOS is good for older people. My parents use it, and Chrome OSFlex is way better than Windows on those crappy HP Stream laptops people keep buying.
I run a chromebook. I bought it on purpose. Not because it was cheap, but because I believed in what it was doing. It has an arm processor. Should I have gone with a Mac if that's what mattered to me? maybe. but getting off of wintel just to go crawling to the second largest felt like voting democrat, so I bought an arm chromebook from a no name manufacturer with the intention of running archlinux on it. It's GPU may be dogwater. It may only have 8GB of ram. But it is acceptably snappy and I do not regret my purchase one little bit.
Is thinkpad the best bang for buck laptop? I will only buy new not used because i cant stand the little bits of food and grease on shit from people eating foods im allergic to, Cant eat wheat or potatoes and most people eat those two things everyday at mcdonalds so...
They mostly are bang for the buck because a lot of them come from businesses who sell a bunch off at a time. I’ve managed a fleet of them previously and they were also super easy to repair since they’re targeted towards business and technical people, so that keeps cost of ownership down a lot. As for used, I always clean stuff I buy used, but have hardly ever has a problem with a bunch of food stuff
Some chromebooks are only useful to put linux on them but obviously they cant be the ARM ones with closed source shit or whatever idk chromebooks are a joke so not much to say because i dont take them seriously just get a real laptop
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I don't
I use a cheap Chromebook for writing specifically because it sucks at doing anything else which means I can be less distracted
Maybe try a typewriter
@@DisketteKitchen I need to be able to edit things and sync between computers
Having to retype everything to be in a digital format would be a ton of extra work for no reason
One of the goals of an efficient and effective IT department is standardization. It's the reason businesses don't buy from a different manufacturer each year or upgrade period. Chromebooks' badness is part of what makes them cheap and easy to admin. Compared to letting everyone bring a mix or to buying a different corporate sell-off each year, chromebooks end up making sense for a school that has to consider the lifetime cost.
They're bad, but they're consistently and equally bad. This saves the school the burden of supporting personal laptops, and it shields them from discrimination complaints where students who are given managed hardware feel it is worse in some way. It's also a TI situation, where a private corporation has weaseled in as a "necessity" in public schools and now we can't extract them without breaking things.
Chromebooks are just so damn boring! Even a cheap Windows laptop usually has better specs. I see a Chromebook and immediately want to install Linux on it.
They already have Linux installed.
Chromebook user here. Linux is installable in settings and I use it to run Firefox and that's also how you can play steam games and such. They can do a lot if you know how to use them
@CB2C At that point though, just run real linux
@CB2C issue is chromebooks are mostly school laptops, which are heavily managed and thus you usually cannot do jack shit to them
You know chrome books are cheaper than a equivalent cheap windows laptop
I agree for use cases you talk about, but my parents have trouble with the different layers of abstraction that come with a regular pc. The fact that a browser has different rules than the regular window manager, for example. Switching them to chromebooks has cut down on parental tech support massively.
can't screw it up if it's just a web browser and android tablet glued together.
I don't disagree that they're useful, but at the same time I wish there was a version that allowed you to use a better browser, like firefox or librewolf, etc.
Actually in the terms of school we should not be getting kids started on chromebooks when in the real world you WILL be using windows at work hand down no debate, you setting kids up for failure when they can’t operate a computer
Just like having kids use iPads then give them no preparation for real keyboards and mice
I’m a windows user, dabbled in Linux and MacOS, probably a few months away from dual booting Debian on my main system.
What about most occupations guarantee that people “WILL be using windows at work hands down no debate”?
Unless they’re getting in programming or software development, I can’t see how anything a computer oriented job requires you to do can’t be done in a browser. The Chromebooks in the cheap end might be utter shit in accordance to pricing, but the value they save underfunded schools in bulk orders does make a difference
We’re talking about schools spending some 20-30% more on windows laptops that are equally shitty or worse, just for the potential to… “prepare” them, for an increasingly browser based world?
Even billion dollar tech companies I’ve worked under have resources to teach you software basics and IT support on hand because unless you’re in a development position, they don’t expect you to be a computer wizard. Spreadsheets, presentations, emails and virtual conferences, and even specialised tools specific to your work are more than likely available on a browser.
@@singhaxes7810Schools should be buying used laptops off of offices. They could run linux, which is a more capable os than chrome, and the build quality will be better.
Interestingly kids have been using Chromebooks in schools for 5-10 years now depending on the district. So the first kids who know would have used Chromebooks for most of their school years will be entering the work force right about now. We might start seeing a shift where workplaces start deploying Chromebooks to meet workers where their skills are
@@Trainguyrom you overestimate corporate America's care to accommodate and not require basic computer skills
I love Chromebooks. My mom's Windows PC needs constant troubleshooting while her Chromebook just works. Best investment I've ever made. If a Chromebook ran Ableton I'd switch to a quality one. Every time i have to interact with Microsoft's abomonation of a system my soul dies a little bit. Performance isn't everything
I see a bunch of people having tons of issues with Windows, but in my like 8 years of using it I've never had it brick itself (I have bricked it a few times, but it was completely my fault or sometimes intentional) and I've only seen like 10 bluescreens (all caused by modified GPU drivers)
Chromebooks are great for older folk, same as Apple computers but a way more reasonable price. It's locked down and secure, good luck messing it up, lol.
I think it depends on the use case...
I got a chromebook for watching movies, UA-cam and note-taking, and I'm fine with it (I paid like $70 USD)
no. kids need laptops and they're going to break them no matter what, if they're $200 or $2,000
The browser is just too limiting. The best thing to happen to Chromebooks was android app support, quadrupled the usability of the machines.
I get why these have become the norm, and I may have narrowly missed their distribution in my personal public school experience being 30.
BUT DAMN.
The unanticipated consequence of this generation of Chromebook users entering the work place, in my experience, has been a new wave of hires that are as equally scared and unfamiliar with Windows UI and Office Suite apps as the 50+ crowd. Of course I'm generalizing, but this is definitely a broad trend.
American public education is famously awful, but if it did anything right it prepared people to competently sit in front of a screen for 9 hours a day.
Definitely not a norm in the circles I have been, currently in university and nowhere during my Ms/hs years have I seen someone have one as a personal device and the only time I encountered them was an external Instances loan choice.
Before I got a job and got my own ROG Strix laptop, I was chugging a 15 year old Lenovo Thinkpad. I absolutely adored it.
I could run Minecraft Bedrock and Java at the same time on the laptop screen AND an external monitor. I even tried stress testing it in my young mind's way by setting up some redstone to blow up about 1K tnt each screen (heck, I even had shaders on the Java instance of Minecraft).
It fell off of the counter multiple times (it even had a disk drive and not an SSD and no option for one), it had been blessed by multiple slurpings of Ramen Noodles, it had a cup of water splash on the keyboard, the J key broke off so I put the ` key in its place, and a single fan in the computer slapped on the CPU that could blow at stupid speeds. It was incredible how it had survived so long.
Even then, it still can crank a few 90's in bedwars even too lol
12:32 I agree with you on this point so much. The school is spending more and providing a worse experience by not focusing on those who really need the laptop instead of giving them out to everyone
I thought a chromebook was a good idea for my grandma because there's a minimal amount of things she could accidentally mess up
It is, just get her one with 8GB of ram minimum because the Play Store (which you can disable, but then you lose acess to android apps) eats it up. Either go with an ARM cpu for battery life and good app usage (bonus, these usually do not need fans so no maintenance needed whatsoever), or an Intel cpu for power and Linux but less battery and mandatory fans (plus, it's heavier).
hey, heads up for the graphs: in resolution, 4k is measuring the number of pixels in width, while 1080p, 720p, etc. measure the number of pixels in height. for measurement accuracy, 4k should be represented by 2160p instead
Thats good to remember, technically this was just generally a bad use for a graph when “4K” isn’t oven 4,000 pixels wide
I bought a cheap acer c720 chromebook back in 2014. I believe google was subsidizing the hardware in an attempt to gain adaption, so it was under $100 new. I immediately wiped it and installed various linux distros on that thing for years. At that time, it was the perfect school machine. It had enough power to get school work done, but not really enough power to do anything too distracting.
It definitely feels like they’ve gotten worse as well
@@DisketteKitchen it's been 10 years since I got a new laptop, was planning on doing the same thing, but decided on getting an off lease elitebook.
few things i really hate chromebooks and chrome os in general:
1. installing other OS is proven to be more tricky than normal PC. imagine you need to disassemble to just remove write protection & not only that, you need to find custom BIOS to install other OS. if you successfully booted to windows/standard linux, lot of things not compatible.
2. virtualizing chrome os. yeah there is Fyde & works in VMWare BUT i want to try vanilla chrome os flex. they always don't work. i've tried vmware, virtualbox & even QEMU, none of them working!
3. keyboard. i'm not talking about the typing quality but the layout. why no super key? why the caps lock key replaced by search?
My school issued Chromebook in my senior year of high school was pretty good tbh.
No weird hardware faults, plenty fast, got the job done, compact.
this was a real learning experience for me. got me with the title, hooked me with the data. hope your channel will continue to grow; one of the best videos i've seen all year
When i was in school, we got little ubuntu machines. They usually never had any performance problems and we would learn about open source software early on
I don't get how chromebooks can be so expensive and so bad at the same time. The hardware is very cheap and they don't even need to pay for a windows license.
Also great video, the subscriber count go way up.
I sometimes think that the way technology is taught in school is detrimental to kids' acquisition of IT skills. iPads in school, while great for digital art classes and handwriting in math classes (if you can trust kids not to lose an Apple pencil... Darwin knows how often I lose and find mine), aren't really as capable (especially the lower end models), and unless the school shells out a lot for keyboard cases to convert them into iOS laptops, they'll miss out on typing practice. At least you get that on a Chromebook, but a Chromebook has a very crappy way of handling what little local storage it offers you, and every program you use is either an HTML "Web app" or the same Web app offline. Kids don't really learn about how to manage a file system, how to use programs that are stored in local storage, or even how to use Windows or MacOS, which have more in common with each other these days than they do with ChromeOS.
Schools will drop everything to teach what they think is the "latest and greatest" like a crappy netbook that you can't use without a Google account, and that forces you to put whatever you can in the cloud. Kids wind up thinking that you can't even use a computer without going online. There's less coverage of the software that they'll likely be able to make a job out of - no coverage of Microsoft Excel or PowerPoint (not the limited online versions), no MATLAB or any kind of advanced calculation programs that can run outside the cloud, no professional CAD that runs in the box, no full versions of Photoshop or even Ableton or Pro Tools. No opportunities to learn SQL or Python right on your system. No KiCAD. Not even Audacity.
The way I see it, the standardization of Chromebooks and iPads in school IT essentially prioritizes trends in consumer electronics among those who'd never use a laptop for fun over teaching kids useful IT skills.
Keyboarding has been cut and now kids can't even type very efficiently. There's this idea that contemporary tech is easy, that it's designed to be easy, and that kids don't really need to learn it on a deeper level or learn to type since they already know. But most kids don't even use computers anymore unless their families are well-off and they're into PC gaming, music production, animation, video editing, CAD, etc., etc. They use smartphones with tiny keyboards, tablets/iPads, etc. and never really learn to type.
And then, these Gen Z'ers who don't even really seem to care about computers in the slightest, whose only experience using them is on some neutered version of Linux and/or stripped down touchscreen macOS, are the ones who hunt and peck their college essays, struggle with computers in the office, never bother to learn MS Excel, etc.
Would you let someone drive a bus without a license since they drove around eScooters and electric quads as a kid, or because they got to drive a tractor around the family farm occasionally? Would that mean they're already a great driver? Would such a person be trusted with the additional controls of an excavator at a construction site? Should we just say "hey, driving is easy, let's not bother to prepare kids for the road, they already know it and they depend on it!"? NO!
I've never used a chromebook so maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but why isn't it possible to use MATLAB, python, CAD software, etc. on a chromebook? All of these are doable on linux machines
I don't think that you mean Gen Z but that you actually mean Gen Alpha seeing that I, like many of my peers, grew up with actual Desktop computers and Laptops, IOS and Windows machines (mostly the latter where I come from) and still had typing classes in Middle School. And I am 24, a Uni student and in the oldest bracket of Gen Z.
@@tracervullet8667chromeos when managed by an organization (as schools do) cannot install any programs from a file and, importantly, cannot run any programs that are not in the google play store. Many schools go further and even disable the playstore, locking the users of the chromebooks into just the browser and web-based apps.
@@tracervullet8667not in ChromeOS itself
you really made a video about how shittiest celeron is worse than old i5
Dude is just a biased, dirty, nerdy liar with 0 fashion sense. I didn't think dudes like him were real. I mean, what is that ugly shirt? I wanted to hear some valid criticisms but instead I heard this list of garbage.
Chromebook user here. Whilst I agree the MAJORITY of Chromebooks suck, they're actually pretty decent if you just buy one with a better processor. I got one with a pentium gold (rather than the atoms or athlons they usually ship with) and I have been able to get through uni with it and it runs much faster than the one you mentioned in the video. Granted it's not perfect and a used windows laptop may be better value, but they aren't all that bad. And Google has launched Chromebook +, with better processors (like i3, i5, i7 ect) and more features.
That’s a fair point, part of what I maybe didn’t get across is just that it’s not just the hardware, but also ChromeOS by itself that’s part of the problem
@DisketteKitchen While ChromeOS is indeed very limited compared to windows, have you ever seen someone who older and isn't tech savy try to use modern windows? Genuinely, the experience is truely aweful for anyone who doesnt use computers on a regular basis.
My dad, who is in his mid 50s, was unable to get past the captcha on a new Windows 11 laptop he purchased because it forced him into making a new microsoft account... So he returned it and bought a chromebook. all he wanted to do was create a new resume, so he bought a chromebook and moved on with his life since the long term performance or specs were not really important to him.
Sometimes specs are not a consideration at all for the end user, its whether or not the device works at all for them. I hope this perspective is useful, keep up the good work!
@@dylancrockett20 Linux mint
Chromebooks are actually a great little puzzle gift to give to a very technical person. The challenge is to install proper Linux on it and then rice it to be just as intuitive as the admittedly pretty damn good Chromebook UI.
And that's primarily how I think about them. Devices to practice things that could well brick a device without fear of spending a ton.
My grandma used a windows pc and it was time to replace it. Got her a Chromebook because all she does is use the web. No complaints
You should have run these tests on an unmanaged ChromeOS install, the enterprise restrictions significantly affects the performance. Of course the loading speed is much longer, they're running your traffic through a proxy with a heavy amount of checking and a lot of usage. The laptops are bought in bulk, so the school is getting it for much cheaper than the selling price.
This was best case, given it was on my home WiFi and the school only blocks sites through their network, plus part of my point is that they shouldn’t be used in schools
Dude picks garbage Chrome ooks then complains that they're garbage. Meanwhile, windows is so bloated that people struggle to create smaller and lighter versions of the garbage OS just so their conputers don't lag but then run into major problems later on because its so gutted.
There is one very specific reason I am considering buying a Chromebook. From my understanding Chromebooks are capable of using android apps. Likewise they are able purchase things off of the google play store. I use a google pixel 8 for my phone and I use calyx os instead of stock android for privacy and security reasons. Due to this it runs the Aurora store which is a front end for google play that allows me to anonymously download which app I want as long as it's free. I can also download paid apps if I temporarily sign in to a google account that has already purchased said app. My major issue I cannot actually purchase an app on Aurora. I would either need to revert to stock android or have a second device with it. The former is out of the question and a Chromebook as a toy seems more appealing to me than an old android phone.
You can install android on most amd64 laptops
Knock yourself out, you'll love the Chromebook. They're more usedul than Android tablets and the weasel in the video didn't use a good one on purpose. He also didn't showcase the full capabilities of the Chromebook either. For instance, he didn't show that a fast and newer one could replace an Android tablet since you can use their apps. He didn't show linux capabilities and using snap. Hes a Microsoft shill.
I spent five years as the senior technician at one of the biggest Chromebook suppliers in the country.
They. Are. Terrible. How they are still relevant is insane, and disgusting.
Windows has the same bugs for decades. Lol, it's clock can't even stay current. How is something that buggy still relevant?
I can see why that Samsung is struggling to play on the Chromebook.
It has an old integrated graphics chip that can only play older video codecs while UA-cam has recently been pushing the newer AV1 codec.
Without a proper hardware decoder, video playback tends to fallback on software decoding, and this is much more computationally intensive.
A relatively simple workaround is installing a plugin like h264-ify to forcibly disable AV1 video playback and make YT fall back on using VP9 or H264
As someone who had to use them in the office, it was an absolute nightmare, constant freezes, memory leak issues, etc. Probably cut our productivity in half.
Sounds like my experience with Windows.
The use of chromebooks in schools is a prime example of equality vs equity - equality is giving everyone the same baseline - aka a shitty chromebook - while equity targets those most affected by inequality and dedicates resources specifically to them - i.e. giving better computers to students without them.
Chromebooks used to be amazing, then they focused on schools and drives the price all the up and then it become trash. Back in 2017 it was good
Were they amazing? They're Chrome OS. Chrome OS sucks ass.
Hardware-wise, maybe.
@@existenceispain_geekthesiren nothing wrong with chrome os if your not requiring anything other then a web browser if you ask for more then your getting outside the box of what it's designed to do
@@RhythmGamer Sure, but it's competing against OSes that CAN do more than web browse. Against actual OSes, it loses by a massive margin.
@@existenceispain_geekthesiren sure but it’s not “competing” with anyone that would be dumb. It was not designed to more than a web browser.
Fundamentally 2 separate sides of a coin and a welcomed change. If you still want windows or whatever that’s fine but the mass majority of people really don’t do anything with there computers other then a web browser. To the point that most people don’t even buy new computers and have moved to tablets and the lot.
yes chromebooks don't make sense. they should cost alot less than they do. they are probably marketed towards administrators seeing how the only "good" feature they have is the remote management. all that being said i currently have six of them. the features that make me use them are open documented bios and embeded controllers, which i think is neat, not necessarily useful for most people. all the ones i'm using are using ultra low power cpus from 2016 so they're not very fast but can still handle anything except adds. does anyone know if they is a browser extension that limits cpu useage of adds?
ublock origin (lite ver only now because google)
there are so many of them being thrown away by schools, it's a one time laptop
I own a Chromebook - Granted it's because I found it at a thrift store for next to nothing....
I definitely wouldn't have spent real money on one.
Hell no. Literally any old laptop is a better option.
I literally just tested a PC i made out of JUNK with an Athlon 2 and a GTS 250 on Windows 7 for a Video.
That‘s a system that would roughly be over 10 years old. And it can play 1080p fullscreen EASY. 😂
Chromebooks are literal, manufactured, eWaste.
Great video mate. ❤
Gonna check out more of your stuff.
an old $40 used chromebook is a great thing to have -- i think i have one in just about every room of my house. i also use them when i am taking a bath since -- if they fall in the water -- no big deal. they're not updated and sometimes a website refuses to load on it, but it's a nice disposable laptop
Chromebook ✖
Crapbook ✅
Spybook ✅
So I definitely get the case against schools buying Chromebooks (and am inclined to agree) but I think your Chromebook experience is far from universal. I have an Asus CM34 Flip that I got for ~$250, specifically because I didn't want to take an expensive, bulky, or particularly fragile laptop to classes. The screen is nice; it has a long battery life and charges quickly; and it does any sort of web browsing I need it to do. The Linux support with Crostini is also decent, though not ideal. Of course, I also have a desktop and wouldn't want it to be my **only** computer, but I don't feel like I would be much better off with a ~$250 Windows laptop. And good luck getting any Mac for that price.
I am one of the fortunate few that had a PowerBook or MacBook program in Middle school. It taught me Mac OS and its weird quirks. Every student got a powerbook unless they elected to purchase a MacBook which was subsidized to have a lower cost. It was locked down but parents/students got the admin rights after graduation and proceeded to use them until college. But what ultimately killed the take home program (they still kept units on site for a per class need basis) is REPAIR costs. People constantly broke these units (though they were repairable - Apple was different then) it was still costly - and that's the part about Chromebooks. They are so cheap- that replacing the unit is far cheaper than parts and labor.
I agree though - Chromebooks in general (barring highest end Chromebooks) kinda suck- mainly for the ewaste and life span reasons mentioned along with price to performance ratio. Pixelbooks seem to be really well made though.
Oh what I would give to have a MacBook at school
It was great- we also figured out how to Jailbreak em partially- install proxies and play flash games 😂. I think modern solution in the district is iPad deployment with a rugged keyboard case.
I use a $130 Chromebook as a typing machine and it's wonderful. They're also perfect youtube and web consumption machines for my parents and my grandfather. Most people don't need a powerhouse, in fact, especially older people with no tech background, and making them run windows or linux should be considered elder abuse
Almost fifteen seconds to load a website on a device defined by one of the most giant Internet giants is almost as funny as said device being made under the same parent company as UA-cam but struggling to play those videos.
Nice vid! Also, that frog fabric reminds me of a cat fabric I got as a kid and have never figured out a worthy enough use for haha
It’s literally a device made for web browsing, which is what impressed me so much, also I have a cat version of the frogs, so it’s probably the same
I really wish Chromebooks were better, I've been wanting a typewriter experience for writing and chrome books seem ideal for this but I just can't justify a few hundred bucks for something that would be so miserable to use.
I like your colorful apron.
I wouldnt be surprised if school's got a very nice discount by buying Chromebooks in bulk or by just by letting them be the sole provider of school laptops.
Honestly I think the real problem stems from it just not really teaching how to use a computer. Kids would struggle with with basic Windows systems, much more if they were forced to use Linux for work.
I like to think of them as the underpowered, cheapo version of a Mac, but atleast Apple has a thriving, if expensive, ecosystem to integrate with. Google has...uh...
Bro those prices for Thinkpads are dope, in my country are really hard to fin new or used for that proce. Nice vid :D
Would loved if you mentioned first the flexibility of the windows system for the non computer geeks
i did the octane bench mark on my computer while watching youtube and i got 3432 it could be becuase my computer has a pentium or becuase im using windows 8.1. i still prefer this then chromeos
This is relaxing to me, maybe its your cadence or your way of pronouncing words?
idk, great job
Something else to add
My school has these Lenovo things that have the specs of a Chromebook yet they have windows on them and it takes 10 minutes to sign in and another 10 to sign out
Great comparison, finally someone who doesn't limit the good laptop because the bad laptop doesn't have the same features (which shows the opposite of real world performance)
My first Chromebook lasted 12 years before dying!
Holy shit, this channel just got recommended to me and it’s exactly the kind of stuff I’m into. Quite the rabbit hole of videos for me to go through now :D
r/unexpecteddankpods
how many thinkpads do you own in total
I’ve lost track
I've been, and still am a student when chromebooks were starting to exist in education. As a youngin, I didn't care about the speed. But now that I have fast PC and laptop (the latter i got from a school for 80$), I now see the changes in speed. It can't even keep up with my typing! I don't type that fast, and it lags when I type. If you have a google doc, slide presentation, and wikipedia, it's barely usable, and it lags. These pieces of garbage are replacing compitent computers that can't run windows 11 because of TPM 2.0.
Oh man. Whenever I see one of those small laptops with one of those Pentium or Athlon's, I know that the experience is going to suck.
Only time it ever make sense to pull the trigger on such a unit is if a deal on one comes with a Ryzen 3/Intel i3 or Ryzen 5/Intel i5. It won't be the craziest of things, but good lord the difference is night and day.
got this video after i bought a working chromebook for $23
If you wanted to do another test, it'd be interesting to see how Chromebooks compare to an android tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard. Since that would be in the same price category.
I have nothing wrong with chromebooks theoretically, but oh my god the fact that kids aren't trusted with windows machines in schools makes some of the youngins completely computer illiterate.
Thank you for this incredible video
I really enjoyed it
I have no idea what a Chromebook would accomplish that my $70 mid 2011 MacBook Air couldn’t do.
It is pretty slow on MacOS but with Linux it is pretty responsive, and it will stream video, do video calls, steam in home streaming, office software. Isn’t that the stuff a Chromebook is supposed to be doing?
Linux is truly the savior of old computers I’ve got Debian on most of my 2010 iMacs at this point
Schools buy them because they can be locked down the easiest, and support lockdown mode on Google forms.
One of my old schools use to give a mac like you said since I moved I got a Chromebook I’m upset
That's why I never buy Chromebook whichever the models and type. It brings lowest system specifications and gets too little eMMC, it looks like cheapest phone I ever bought. 4GB RAM with 32GB eMMC or lower? What is that kidding?
And not at all Chromebooks are bad. What I said earlier is crap for cheapest Chromebooks
The internet is so full of people like the dude in this video. It's like their brain is unable to think from other peoples' perspectives, so they make hyper ignorant blanket statements.
In the future when you have a senior citizen parent who is targeted by scammers with the intent of installing remote software on their computer to take control of her or his computer, and/or said parent wants to watch YouYube on said computer alongside the ability to schedule appointments on a full fledged browser (mobile browsers like Safari arent exactly the best for web applications) or even want a good mouse and keyboard experience for non-complex UI navigation, id love to see which device you get them. When you have a small child who now needs a simplified computer to be able to use a full fledged browser + keyboard for their class and/or homework, id love to see which you choose.
For me, i use between Linux (Ubuntu and Arch) and Windows 11 for my software development, videography and video and photo editing needs, but im not going to pretend that Chrome OS isn't the better option for certain scenarios. And no, Android and iOS/iPad OS do not satisfy those requirements, trust me. I speak from experience.
I get it. It's hard to spend time with your loved ones and help teach them.
Its easy to just give them a slab of crapware.
The graph images are broken on your webpage at present.
It was an issue with chrome, but is fixed now
I really liked my lenovo duet comvertible tablet thing, but despite a long support life, a recent update made it unusable. I do have a desktop mac so i got an ipac mini to pair with it instead. Its too bad, with appropriate expectations, my lenovo duet was ok for quite a while. Maybe i will charge it back up and see if there is a new update that has un-ruined it
I disagree to a degree :D
I use cheapo second hand chromebooks for my children as they are not good with keeping the electronics safe yet (below 10 years old, discussion re if they should be usiang anything at this point for me is moot). They both broke a few already and replacing them was as easy as loging in their accounts in with all settings being restored without additional time investment on my part. Devices were manufactured inlike 2016 and still have access to Google Play and updates, that speaking rather against treating them straight out as garbage as they are still usable in the kid scenario. Every person has different computing needs, you have mentioned needing specific software you use -
I do appreciate parental settings I can easily apply and the fact that same ecosystem they share between phones make chromebooks understandable for them easily. We live in area with rather small apple services/products reception and majority of software used at schools/public spaces is actually cloud and web based, so no speciffic software would be unavailible for them.
TLDR,
- quite good parental controls
-easily manageable and deployable
- built quite sturdy,
- depending on the area of usage quite compatible with existing services.
I mean if Windows is starting support arm processors you could just buy a garbage Chromebook from eBay then put windows on it or something like that
I have Recently obtained a Acer chromebook 713 for around 30€. Good Build, good Keyboard and very Nice Screen. But the 713 Series is affected of ram issues. Mine doesnt have the issues luckily.
And i Must say that i really Like it for Daily Tasks.
Sadly locked to a Company…
My HP Envy with i7 and Rtx 3050 always gets hot and has Ass battery. So the chromebook is ideal for light Office tasks and researching something
The 2012 15 inch macbook pro i still use is a similar price to these crappy chromebooks and still offer better performance on the mac side. Last truly upgradable mac. I still use it today, and it’s great with oclp ventura. Mine has the anti glare screen with an i7-3615QM, 12 GB DDR3, and a 512 GB SSD. Great laptop tbh.
That’s great the GPU hasn’t died, that was their only weakness, but still just such solid machines
@@DisketteKitchen the 2012 15 inches didn’t have that issue actually. It was the 2011s that did.
Mine is the unibody model tho.
I wish ChromeOS would have embraced that it's actual Linux since the beginning and tried to compete with Ubuntu or PopOS of sorts instead of having no ambition whatsoever beyond just selling boring laptops that can barely do more than a smartphone. Yeah, I know. It's Linux. Yet it finds itself so distant from any other Linux distro instead of being a proper alternative. Can you imagine the possibilities. It could be even a alternative to the Apple ecosystem for android users.
The problem is that a lot of the great things about Linux wouldn’t make Google money
watching on a 600$ Chromebook
ChromeOS is good for older people. My parents use it, and Chrome OSFlex is way better than Windows on those crappy HP Stream laptops people keep buying.
A used one for $50 is NOT bad.
Used quality laptops are everywhere, and they nearly all can run linux
I run a chromebook. I bought it on purpose. Not because it was cheap, but because I believed in what it was doing. It has an arm processor. Should I have gone with a Mac if that's what mattered to me? maybe. but getting off of wintel just to go crawling to the second largest felt like voting democrat, so I bought an arm chromebook from a no name manufacturer with the intention of running archlinux on it. It's GPU may be dogwater. It may only have 8GB of ram. But it is acceptably snappy and I do not regret my purchase one little bit.
Wouldn’t a MacBook Air be a better comparison?
It would, but I don’t have a working one, I’m just trying g to work with what I have here
It's clear your school went for bargain basement, seems like you got the slowest single core cacheless Chromebook out there.
Ironically, this is the nicest model they have at my school
Is thinkpad the best bang for buck laptop? I will only buy new not used because i cant stand the little bits of food and grease on shit from people eating foods im allergic to, Cant eat wheat or potatoes and most people eat those two things everyday at mcdonalds so...
They mostly are bang for the buck because a lot of them come from businesses who sell a bunch off at a time. I’ve managed a fleet of them previously and they were also super easy to repair since they’re targeted towards business and technical people, so that keeps cost of ownership down a lot. As for used, I always clean stuff I buy used, but have hardly ever has a problem with a bunch of food stuff
I'll buy them if they are $10 on ebay
I got the Thinkpad E15 G2 for $100
I like my chromebook. its a $35 Dell 3100 2in1
Well presented argument
Some chromebooks are only useful to put linux on them but obviously they cant be the ARM ones with closed source shit or whatever idk chromebooks are a joke so not much to say because i dont take them seriously just get a real laptop
Umm… that’s Samsung’s fault.
10 years of software , linux support, and Android apps. not google's fault you don't know how to use the tool
😂
Are you gay?