Why can't F1 cars overtake in a 'DRS Train'?
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- The Drag Reduction System was put in place in Formula 1 to help passing... why at some tracks does it not help at all?
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I like the visual of it
Going on the straight opening up and seeing it close while breaking looks cool
I cant wait for the next years cars just this year with the expenditure limits the races are so much better.
There is something ur forgetting, GERMANS
@@user-kd8ji7rt4c What about them?I am hoping the next era is not german perhas some one other than Merc, Ferarari and redbull.
@SAB how long have you been following F1
Races have been amazing, can't see how it will improve. There will always be a Haas that is 2 sec slower
@@5nitcht i just want more teams in the mix for the top position. But i agree its has been pretty good. LOL picture HAAS comes at top with the new rules that would be wild. Mazapin the chamption.
Nothing better to do so i came here to watch my favorite youtuber WTF1
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@@gaurav1265 where
Unrelated, but are we voting Kimi driver of the day for his last race?
lmao i was having same thought for a days and i deffinetely going for it as some kind of " thank you " :D i think it would have been nice gesture if he would have get it ^^
@@RevUpSimRacing I don't think Kimi will care that much, but I wanna hear the interview regardless :D
@@a1irice i mean he will he is not such iceman :D he just dont show it :P typical old school driver :D
No
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In my opinion they should move the DRS zones away from the braking zones, since the target is to let the drivers in equal level of speed at the end of the straights. The dirty air and slipstream were reduced (They're intrinsic, since they are a product from the wake left behind a car), so DRS still is gonna be important.
This is probably one of the reasons there should be a limit on DRS uses per race like Indy push to pass for example.
that’s actually a really good idea
push to pass is such a better system.... just let them have like 3 shots on it in a race, or only let them use it for 30 seconds overall for the race
i get why they are there, but the zones F1 has now is just making stupid DRS chicken games... trust the drivers to judge when they can use it
@@Sem5626 maybe at eau rouge/radiliion dangerous if use pushtopass, safety concern. if want push to pass, f1 will defined safe zone to use it in my opnion. yesterday f2/f1 saudi crash scare the official, can be much worse. glad are still ok. Super formula japan use push to pass method, its good overtaking, trust me :)
Agreed. But they need a system that somehow block the DRS to open in corners. Maybe to keep the same areas, but use limitation as you said.
It's the same thing... drivers will use it on the straights anyway
I really hope abu Dhabi doesn't have a drs train, but based off of previous years, it probably will.
New track layout :D
The track changed a bit
@@williamsandoz2640 Even still, it is abu dhabi
The Drs straights are the same so more then definitely through the DRS zones yes
These NFT commercials push me closer and closer to unsubscribing each time.
Personally I do like drs but sometimes certain corners don’t really need a drs zone to me like spa and the drs zone after eau rouge and it can make some tracks like Monaco where drivers basically wait until the drs zone sometimes then go for passing while the rest of the track is spent just tailing the other car
Pfp checks out
@wtf1 that’s raidillon actually
Where’s the original footage of 3:10 ? Thats the most outrageous overtake of all time?
ua-cam.com/video/CTJ8tabJC1c/v-deo.html there you go
And NO, it’s not a Rick Roll
@@Tijm. this second comment makes me really suspicous that it actually is a rock roll 🤣
@@sebastianpeheim8851 it's not , I checked it
@@prabhgun52 my mum told me not to trust strangers on the internet 🤣
Loving the daily vids!!
The push to pass system in Super Formula is more fun to watch than DRS
Indy Car has the same system
That's basically the ERS for F1
@@PG-20 Two very different things both technically and with effect on racing.
Push to pass pass wears the engine down. It’s terrible. Drs is better, or you’ll be seeing by more engine changes
DRS was the quick and dirty temporary solution that became far more permanent than it should have done. Hopefully the next version of the cars will make it redundant.
Can I ask you a serious question ? Are you a verstappen fan ?
@@deezelkane Serious questions are my favourite type. I'm not a fan of any specific driver or team, I'm more a fan of the sport and technology, with an appreciation for the drivers.
So, for instance, I don't give two hoots whether Verstappen or Hamilton win the driver's championship, but I enjoy watching the on track action between them. By not supporting a specific driver, or team, I get to enjoy the on track battles, no matter who comes out on top. Every hard fought wheel to wheel overtake attempt is great for me, because no matter who ends up in front, I am happy.
The other advantage is that I get to see the good and bad driving, and not get bogged down in the tribalistic arguments over which driver should be penalised/was dangerous/deserved to win etc.
Feel free to follow up with other questions, if you want. It feels like maybe there was going to be more depending on my answer.
(Don't know where in the world you are; but I'm in the UK, and it is just about midnight. So if you do follow up, it is likely to be several hours before I respond due to needing to sleep now.)
@zak congratulations on coming to that conclusion very prematurely after only two races; based on drivers that are still learning the new cars, and dealing with issues caused by the aero and suspension that need ironing out.
Maybe sit back and let the season unfold a little bit more.
@zak again, you are basing this ridiculous claim on the events of TWO WEEKENDS! The whole point of formula sport is that people come up with an idea of how to operate in the finals, and evolve as they gain a better understanding. With a better understanding, they learn how to correct their issues. You can tell exactly nothing about the effect of these regulation changes for at least several months of competition, and the true impact of them likely won't be seen until the 2023 season, possibly even 2024.
Maybe you should watch a stock series instead. The more instant effects might suit your levels of patience and concentration a bit more.
You can make a simple change to the DRS rules that would fix a lot of issues with the current implementation:
Every driver gets 1 DRS activation per lap, and I mean every driver on the track. They get to choose in which DRS zone to use it.
Or do it like some other series use the push to pass button. You get so many activations per race.
Easy:
There are 2 tracks on the whole calendar who have more than one DRS-zone where you can actually overtake.
well I think it wouldn't work so much
the fact is: I am the car ahead, if I see the one behind uses DRS in the first zone, I enable ERS just in the first DRS zone.
An NFT ad? I expected better...
Sweet sweet cash is king.
I wish I had my blockchain bingo card out for that as, lol
The steam locomotive was Southern Railway (USA) 4501.
With merc engine you can overtake in a drs train even without drs yourself
Tell that Aston Martin lol
@@MC-rd2dz actually alonso and vettel are top 2 overtake of the year, 100+ . overtake in midfield, but cannot reach top teams. of course vettel performance suddenly decreased after break this year, maybe the aero package or driver itself become slow.
3:27 You can hear a sliver of the Mario Super Star theme
I like the innovation of teams with their solutions, for example prior to DRS in the case of McLaren with the F duct (although I am of the view that some teams' implementation was dangerous such as removing a hand from the wheel to activate).
However, when DRS was made standard with aerodynamically the same goal, it seemed too artificial to me.
I get that they were just trying to make the best of the situation but I wouldn't miss DRS as a "standard" tool.
If we really see that we don't need the DRS anymore in 2022, I would still keep it but make it open for everyone all the time (Like we have now in FPs and Quali). This is just free straight line speed there to be taken or not. We would see faster laptimes and also better cornering speeds. That is because the team would put on more downforce/drag on the car if they know it won't hurt them so much on the straights. Also all the teams allready developed the DRS for the new generation of cars in 2022 so it won't be that resource intensive as well.
Someone mentioned putting a limit on how many times a driver can use it per race and I think I’d rather have that than having the ability to always use DRS.
@@Shelmer75 Also a good option to do it.
as long as they don't use mario kart rules to get DRS
@@Hirosjimma bahahaha what do you mean?
@@Shelmer75 for example in FE you can take a corner a whole lot wider to activate a boost. I think he meant that bullshit 🤣🤣
Drs is a cool concept but difficult and dangerous to pull off. The 22 season will be so awesome
What F1 should do about their passing rules.
1 - The car that is not ahead is deemed to alongside once the front wheel makes it past the rear wheel of the lead car.
The leading car going into a corner must give a car width from the end point of the corner, or is considered at fault. The width applies to both the inside and outside of an apex, meaning once the rear car is ahead of the front cars rear wheel, the rear car also must apply to the same width when driving off the apex out of the corner.
Once the car that is not ahead is in this position, the lead car must not take that width away until safety past the car in back.
2. The car in the rear must be ahead prior to the apex in order for that vehicle to now be able to switch as the lead car.
Same rules as above now apply with apex car widths.
If the car in the rear does not get past prior to the apex, then rule 1 still applies to them and they are the lead car only needs to give a car width.
This way, if you want to make a dive on the inside, you better know you will have to lead as well as be able to be at a slow enough speed as to not push the other off the track.
Same with overtaking vehicles making dangerous maneuvers.
Have all these be penalties and drivers will be much safer.
That intro noise caught me off guard lol. I thought I was watching buzz feed mysteries
2:51 what is this from? I want to see a full video with these graphics
The cars also became ridiculously long… I mean the Mercedes F1 W10 from 2019 measured 5733mm in overall length. The Mercedes F1 W04 from 2013 in the other hand measured just 4800mm… That doesn’t make it any easier to overtake 😕
DRS is actually a good thing to increase the excitement, Interlagos was one hell interesting circuit with Ham's performance
Yep, but it would be better if cars could follow more anyway
I’m not sure when I last got excited over an overtake made using DRS…
@@Shelmer75 it's the same for me.
DRS train reminds me of Trulli Train back in the day 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jarrnooo
Watching in 2024 where DRS has not been scrapped😂 I guess that line didn’t age well😂
Way it's hard to follow close in the corners are because of "dirty air". When the wings produce downforce in the corners it creates turbulence air that blow up behind the car. So as the car that follow into the corner hits the turbulence at an angle it will have less downforce compared to taking the corner in clean air. To reduce dirty air you have to reduce the downforce F1 cars produce and that makes the them unable to take any corner at high speed.
I believe that with DRS, they should give each driver the chance to open it in one zone per lap. That way it still does the job of helping the car behind to overtake, but it also becomes a much more tactical game. For example take Bahrain: would you want to use your one DRS usage on the longest straight so you get maximum usage out of it, or would you rather use it in another shorter zone so you can get in front and defend?
What was that jump pass half way through?! I lost it hahaha!
I could not ask for a better finale, equal on points and a new layout for the yas marina circuit, this is gonna be spicy!
Matt, will u be attending the abu dhabi gp? just asking...
Nah it won't. Current Layout Yas is soooooooo much more Merc than it is RB
@@Artiick that's what people thought about Austin..
@@Artiick no current is kinda equal they now made it more of a power circuit so advantage merc
In monza the straights are long, although the DRS train happen....
Low downforce setup from start so DRS doesn't give that huge advantage
The sponsor spot sounded like a bloody SNL commercial video
You forgot the R in information when you were talking about the NFT
already know the answer but still i watch it
I can not tell if it was Matt or anyone else driving the game I like that they made sure that no one could see how slow their lap was but that they had 2 green sectors and 2 tenths up out of the final corner.
JK love all of you guys at WFT1, keep it up.
"If there isn't a long enough straight or the cars suffer a lot from the turbulent air of the corners prior - Barcelona, I'm also looking at you for this one - then we'll see a train form and no real overtaking"
And then people really want to drop the chicane...
That only makes things worse in terms of overtaking.
A train conductor drives trains? Always thought that was the driver :D
Get rid of that DRS and things will get better... I hope.
For once, disabile the DRS and all the major drive assistance systems and let's see who comes out on top. The youngsters may have a hard time, but it would be a spicy battle between the veterans
could you do a video on whether it is possible for a customer team or sister team to make a faster car than their engine providers’ team?
question: wouldn't using fan cars sort out the dirty air problem? or would they make it worse?
(Before I get screamed at, I'm aware of their inherent dangers and don't expect to see them in f1 anytime soon/ever)
Wouldnt get worse as the majority of the grip is due to the fan sucking the car into the ground. The air being shot out the back is negligible, actually I suppose that the wash from a fan is quite predictable
It would turn the phrase "dirty air" into a literal one
Fan cars were only dangerous because they produced cornering speed far in excess of what was safe at the time when combined with ground effect skirts, reports of them shooting junk out the back were greatly exaggerated. If they were used as the primary means of downforce production and the rules were structured to limit their effectiveness (in the same way wing regulations are currently) then they'd likely fix more problems than they caused. Dirty air would still be a minor problem but it would be far less noticeable than with today's extremely sensitive over-body aero design.
Even if junk being fired out of them was a problem (modern tyre 'marbles' might increase the likelihood) you could simply change where the exhaust ports for the fans were venting so it was safe.
Bob the train on a color ride extensive playing 🤣
Nothing completes a race weekend without a ‘What If’.
The DRS chain is an illustration of the problem we'd have if we didn't have DRS
The successor to the Trulli Train.
Iv literally just done the hungry gp on my f12020 career mode and was just sat in a
DRS train screaming that I couldn’t get past
So, what do I do with an NFT once the game is no longer supported? Am I missing something? I feel like people pushing NFTs are Ferengi and they won't tell us what step 4 is.
what
Why they don't use a nitro model. A driver just has a et actiavtion time he can use that recharges slowly. So the driver decides when he uses it. Makes it more tactical.
0:16 THAT MEME is basically our biggest embarassment
It feels like a crime being this early lol
3:15 what is the game in background on the screen ?
Thank you for this. I really like DRS but I completely understand why people wouldn't enjoy it.
Shouldn't have DRS zones. They should be driver operated whenever they want. Then gravel back in the run off area.
If DRS must have zones, it needs to be from lap 1
I just don't understand why they can't just use the overtake button like LMP1s/Prototypes. Limit per lap, force recharge. works so well and is not track position dependent.
I can see why DRS would be seen as artificial and "gimicky," but it seems that once the teams all figured out the strategy around it, it has generally accomplished its goal.
missed opportunity not calling the conductor the fat controller
Not a fan of DRS but I am a fan of overtaking so I could take it or leave it. I just wish they would close or open it on both cars once they are side by side, so the battle goes into the braking zone. Also, if someone gets overtaken between the detection and activation zone, don't let the leading car DRS into the distance, that really gets on my nerves.
So here's a newbie question: with the 2022 cars improving the airflow so the following car still gets clean air for its aerodynamics, does that mean the slipstream effect is also massively reduced?
No. The improved airflow will be mainly noticed in the corners and the following cars won't lose as much downforce through the corners as the current generation of cars. The slipstreaming affect should still work and potentially may appear stronger as a faster car can come out of the corner closer to the car in front and will get straight into the slipstream.
@@benfulford3943 awesome, thanks!
If the cars could push each other like in nascar at Daytona it might work
I'm not a fan of DRS as just being 1 second behind doesn't mean that a driver is guaranteed to pass and DRS effectively guarantees an overtake on some circuit without some drivers (even title contenders) really having the skill to fight for position cleanly. It is a necessary evil however with the current cars but hopefully the new cars from next season onwards can make DRS a thing of the past
Quick question as I’m new to F1, how was Hamilton able to match and catch Max up on the hard tyre while Max was on medium for most of the race? Thanks
There’s many reasons, but mainly Hamilton was overall faster around the track, as well as the medium tyres losing the majority of their grip near the end of the race because Max was on them since after the first red flag (I think). The countless VSCs helped, but they still didn’t last the whole stint.
+ Also the merc engine is much faster on the straights than the Honda engine where the high rake design of the Red Bull is better on the corners. This is also why Max was gaining on sector 1 and losing out to Ham on sectors 2 and 3
@@styren2815 makes sense thanks!
@@styren2815 I think ham was losing a lot of time in the first sector because of being in max dirty air. Mas was very fast through that part of the track as well to be fair.
If you watched or followed the free practices, it was clear that the Mercedes cars were really struggling to turn on the soft tyres and get them into the right operating temperatures, however they were really good at switching on the hards and their race pace was excellent. If I remember correctly the fastest times Mercedes did in FP3 was on the hard, a tentch quicker than the soft.
Can you show us what would happen if verstappen or hamilton crash into the other
If you know you should make a video for why f1 uses 2 safety cars as seen on this years races like why there is aston martin and mercedes
Can we please Petition F1 Commentary team to now use the term 'DRS Train Conductor' - I absolutely love it!
Why does Revv racing look like we're back on PlayStaion2...?
I'm too new of a fan to have an opinion. I would be very interested in hearing from both sides why it's terrible and why it's good.
The DRS zone at Austria is an example of DRS being to OP and doing too much
Def a max fan when Tom has a Mercedes chair lol.
drs is not really fake its a technical thing you can do with a wing, flooreffect is much better tho
Are we seriously pushing NFTs in an F1 video? Wow.
The best point brought up here is how bad will the 2022 regulations fail after the loopholes are figured out? I mean it's not like that has happened EVERY time they have trued this....
I would keep drs …… but please f1 introduce an indycar style push to pass boost system as well so we can have some defending as well!
Oh... always thought it was due to the "Law of Nyeeeeeeeooow"... 🤔
They really should have something like push to pass instead of DRS if they are going to keep it at all.
Just like the good old Trulli trains.
Gonna miss the drs next season
Have you watched the video? DRS will definitely stay for next year. If the cars work as desired, it will be considered for 2023 to abandon it.
@@benn8793 oh my bad sorry
97k for 1M SI CLOSE!!!! Next year before we start Saudi I hope we hit 1M
Watching this video was on me. I sat the bar to low...
What if they get one point for overtaking??
people mad at barcelona for no overtaking cuz of the short straight
Monaco: literally having one that i never knew existed until i just now googled it
Drs remove every choice of setup with more or less downforce depending of the track or the strategy
Don't like DRS, but there's no point getting rid of it until the problem it's there for is fixed
as to being a fan of.... look f1 is a team sport about metatactics...the newbie popstar primadonnas that call themselfs fan sometimes clearly havnt understood shit about this sport if they think its about wheel to wheel overtaking for the largest part, back in the day you had backmarkers multiple laps down...f1 and any racing is each pilot racing his own race against time, competing against the team mate and marathon wise for the drivers, on metalevels the teams compete technologically on overall performance of all team aspects, risking wierd crashes for a otherwise non consequential 'overtake' in the race is not always the best thing, cars always have issues following but its pretense to think theres no car difference with drs open, without drs there wouldnt be that much difference besides the straights being overall slower
I wish they make the 2022 cars front wing end at the inside of the tyre insted of the outside like before 2009. i think it would be harder to brake the front wing.
What do you guys think at wtf1? Hope my english is ok copied forom google tranlat
Clearly they should have went with miniature jet engines instead of DRS.
It amuses me that there’s a British train operator called Direct Rail Services.
TLDR Tilke is a scorn on F1
I still don't see anybody talking about how drs will work in 2022
As almost everyone here she's, is prefer to see a Push-to-pass limited style system used instead. It adds an element of driver management to the equation ❤️🧡
How far back do you have to be to take advantage of tow/slip stream? How close do you have to be before complaining of dirty air? During races they complain about dirty air preventing overtaking yet during quail they are all stepping on each other toes so they can be behind another car. Someone please explain.Thanks.
Dirty air and slipstream are by and large the same thing, the slipstream being useful though on a quali lap comes from a sweetspot. The trailing drivers want the air ahead to be being pulled along by the leading driver, so there's less drag, but they also want that air to not be full of vortices which significantly lower the car's aero from being able to generate downforce. Any slipstream will mean a drop in downforce, but that useful tow sweetspot is where the reduction in drag outweighs the loss in aero and the car can perform just a bit better than it could out on it's own in static air.
Nothing is going to change
I like how most of the F1 media likes to act as though they know what they are talking about when in reality they don't even know how to read a piece of telemetry
I heard the revv pitch but I don’t understand what you’re on about.
Why do you always use TRL Limitless' footage without crediting it at all?
2022 cars will still have DRS.
If we all have DRS. None of us have DRS
Cause there is no need to take the lead of the train when you can chill behind someone
WTF1 be like: CONTENT!
Yesssss no more DRS!!!! Now we're going to see real overtaking 👏👏👏👏👏
Or none 😪
@@RealGaryGibson at least we're going to see teams and drivers really work hard, remember in 2010 when we were wondering if Alonso, Vettel, Webber or Hamilton would be world champion, and Alonso was stuck behind Petrov, it was a real nailbiter , we were all thinking to ourselves would he be able to pass him or not, the tension and stress was palpable, if he had DRS he would have passed him too easily and spoiled our fun and probably been a three time world champion, but because he didn't have DRS he had to work for it and failed in his attempt, thereby letting Vettel win his first championship. It was so thrilling to watch.
@@sadlaw2799 I agree it would be more exciting but with the current aero it's nearly impossible for the top contenders to pass. Without DRS Hamilton & Verstappen would never have been able to pass each other in Saudi except in the pits. Hopefully the coming new aero regulations will leave some nice holes in the air to make passing easier without DRS.
@@RealGaryGibson you're absolutely right, let's hope next year the thrill of clever passes will be seen again 😄