I agree that semi hydro is a lot of work! Hoya Limoniaca is the only one I’ve left in leca to do it’s own thing and it is growing well with no signs of rot. Thank you for sharing your beautiful blooms.
Thank you Lee! Leca would not be so bad I guess if you only had a few plants, but more than that and it becomes almost impossible to stay on top of it. I wish you continued good luck with your Hoya limoniaca!
I feel your pain as I have lost multiple undulata cuttings over the last few years, and have some miserable ones hanging around right now that I keep hoping will turn around and they almost never do:(
Doug I’m overjoyed to see your new video! Somehow I think I missed one. Undulata is a really difficult Hoya! So frustrating because I sure do love it! Thanks again!!
Hi Doug, thank you for talking about this one and the temperatures you keep this one in! I just (luckily) stumbled upon it at a local plant shop and realized it is thicker and less wavy than the first one I tried. Hopefully I can keep this one happy!
Good luck with your new undulata! I finally got rid of the really wavy leafed one as it was simply too finicky to mess with any longer. The smoother edged, rounder, leafed one is significantly easier to grow.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas Thank you! The other flowers opened today, and although it had no scent yesterday, it smells of delicious lemon-citrus candy (like lemon pez) if I put my nose right up to it. It stays in the coco husk I bought it in. I water it at the sink and make sure to run the water through really well and let it drain when I water all the plants. I grow it in a Milsbo with computer fans and spider farmer 300 leds that are covered with two layers of parchment paper. Natural Northwestern light shines in before sunset, but doesn’t hit the highest shelf I keep it on. The humidity is anywhere from 50-85 and the temperature from 67-71 usually. Unfortunately, but fortunately, my AC went about two weeks ago and I will thank that for the flowers, as it was 77-87 in here at most. It had smaller buds once before but they blasted pretty quickly. Of course it is blooming under the leaves, basically just above and over the rim and side of the pot. We replaced the AC and I was worried it would blast but thankfully not. Also, Pulleana IM-08 on the bottom shelf is opening its flowers today for the first time! It has three little flower umbels with a set of new leaves growing on the nodes between each of the flower peduncle nodes. Three flowers, then five, then three. Another tendril has just two flowers. So tiny! I can’t smell a scent on them.
Love your videos. A continuing source or knowledge and information. Your info on EPC 209 got me into hoyas, and my undulata is so far chugging along steadily. I'm curious how quickly yours grow. Mine is in a mix of moss and perlite. Thanks again for a nice video!
I loved Hoya EPC 209; sadly I lost it over the winter:( The undulata grows unbelievably slowly for me! Some people can easily grow it, but for me it has been a real struggle!
I agree with you Doug on using leca... I've about 150 Hoyas, 16 orchid cactus and about 13 Stapelia/Huernia/Orbea succulents and as I work about 30 hours a week I'd never have time to keep up with keeping the leca flushed, etc. My Hoyas do very well in my cactus mix. It's terribly hot here in the Pacific Northwest mountains right now, unheard of heat temps, and the plants are drying out incredibly fast. My cuttings in water I have to check every day as the evaporation is fast too, even with ac. Beautiful undulata, one I don't have yet. Happy growing! 🌹💚
Hi Carol, that is a large number of plants to care for especially in that crazy heat that just does not belong in your area. Ideally what I want out of a plant is to get it happy on a weekly watering schedule with no extra fuss. Those are the kind of plants that make me the happiest! Best to you, and happy growing as well💚!
we got a hoya import from Indonesia last month and got Undulatas that looked different, now seeing your video cleared that up for me! Both have been doing quite well in shadehouse but the wavy leaf is more fussy for sure and will keep in mind to try an avoid to many afternoon rains for it!
It is a fearsomely tricky Hoya! A month after shooting that video, my plant re-budded on the same peduncle and will flower again in about a week. Also, the wavy leaf has also budded up and has 8 buds. I don't know what I have done, but both plants are happy right now.
I just got a very large undulata imported. It came in very good health and looks ok. I was told to keep it in coconut husk on a heat mat in a moisture room. Its been almost two weeks now and has dropped 2 leaves. The plant still looks good but i checked for roots and there are none. The last one i recieved wouldnt root either. That one i cut up and tried to root in pon, chunky soil, and water and had no luck at all. Im getting worried as this one is a replacement and dont seem to wanna root either. Any advice would be great im losing hope here and would like to keep it as a whole plant if possible.
I want to thank you for this info on growing in semi hydro. I failed miserably with that method with my hoyas, lost a number of species. Root rot is the only reason I can think of. I got rid of leca and my hoyas are finally growing nicely. Thank you for your very useful and inspirational videos and enjoy your summer!
You are so welcome Pia! It mystifies me how there are so many gorgeous Hoyas grown in semi-hydro on Instagram, when I have never been able to keep a plant happy in it for longer than a year at most. I used to make out better with that method when I had much higher temperatures. I think if you can keep your plant above 80 degrees day and night, there would be far less rot. As it stands I have killed dozens of plants using s-h.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas thank you for your answer. I’ve understood that there’s a so called honeymoon when it comes to s-h. It lasts about one year and at least then the problems begin. I don’t think it took more than half a year until yellowing of leaves and root rot began in my care. Always blamed myself for failing so bad but I won’t anymore. My Hoyas grow on windowsill without any special temperature conditions, under grow lights, in Finland. I believe this is the best I can do and it wasn’t enough growing in s-h.
@@bernadettelopez7225 thank you for asking! My happiest Hoyas grow in a mix of two sizes of seramis, perlite and bark. The other mix that I use consists of bark, perlite and a small amount of moss. I let both mixes get relatively dry between watering. I think they both could be called an orchid mix.
@@pialeino9874 oh cool, i am not good with moss. i have a love and hate relationship with moss😅 i just use bark, pumice, perlite, a little bit of indoor potting soil, bonsai jack gritty mix, charcoal and calcined clay. too many amendments but im comfortable with it and i guess that’s the most important thing and as long as the plants are healthy in the mix we pick for them😊❤️🌱
Great job Doug!! The leaves are amazing an the blooms are stunning!! 🥰 This is one I don’t want to try an tackle, just from all the stories of how difficult it is.Thanks for sharing 💚😁
Its soooo beautiful! But, uhoh I just bought one yesterday to give it a try and now I'm scared. It will be shipped in a month and I will be (mentally) preparing for the specific care this hoya needs, the whole month while i wait. Btw do you suggest to mist the whole plant instead of watering the soil, to prevent root rot? Since it grows on tree branches and does not get a lot of rain.
Hi Amber-Leigh, I wish you the best of luck with your new undulata, but it is insanely difficult. I will say though that the non-wavy edged leaf clone seems to be far easier. The one above flowered again 6 weeks after making this video and is now growing another leaf and a new vine. Yes you have to be so careful with root rot with this one. If using leca, barely keep any water in the reservoir and let dry well before watering again. If using another media, make sure to use a clear pot so that you can really see if it is totally dry before watering. Misting the plant and media every day or two may be superior to watering the plant. Good luck and keep me posted on your plant!
Hi Doug. Do you soak and cleanse your Leca before you use it on your plants. I have put a quantity of Leca in a bucket of water and after a few days the tds was almost 700. Seems there are salts in Leca that you may not realize is there. The salts could be killing those roots not the Leca itself. Nina of the channel Ninja Orchids taught me this. You have some beautiful blooms there! Self watering with the Leca . Have a water reservoir with microfibre strips to pull the water in the pot. Nina uses this method to grow her orchids and it works quite well.
It is so hard to know what causes the root die off. It could be that the leca has to many dissolved solids, but I still feel that the rot is caused mostly from it staying too wet for too long. I will try the soaking and see if it helps.
i love and appreciate your videos so much, but can you work on sound levels? i'm often watching in quiet moments when others are sleeping, and the musical interludes are usually 2 to 3 times as loud as the spoken parts. so if i'm not 100% focused on catching the end of the spoken part, i risk waking up sleeping family members when the music starts blaring.
I've contacted you before. I sent you pictures of my grandma's 50 year old herloom Hoya carnosa cuttings. I lost your email to send more pictures of it. It has been growing beautifully. The tenicals are about 3 feet and I want to trim the tenicals. Will cutting the tenicals hurt the plant?
Hi Patrick, trimming the leafless vines that are stretching out everywhere should not hurt your plant, but I would not trim them all as the plant is obviously very happy and if it were mine I would leave some of them alone.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas well, I've taken your good advice so far, so I will continue to do so. My hoyas seem to be the happiest. My philodendron Brasil and heart leaf wilted in the 90° summer heat. If you send me your email address again I could send you pictures of the tentacles it's alive and happy thanks to you
Thank you Mary! It is the sun stressing that causes the pink spots. I would prefer nice green leaves but my lighting is too bright I guess. As soon as I changed the bulbs over the top of this plant, the leaves turned red and pink very quickly.
Oh man. Too bad they are so difficult. I'd love to try my hand at these. Congrats on flowers finally. Seems to me growing in leca is a stupid fad. I'd use it as a mild filler or a drainage layer for my frog tanks.
That is hilarious! I have left a trail of leca where ever I have been it seems. I think a hundred years from now people are going to wonder what all of these little clay balls are doing all over the place.
Leca was a fad in the orchid world a few years ago, it is stupid and a PIA.... lol....I keep telling people I've been there and done that, I'm still finding Leca everywhere. The amount I have left I just mix in as filler sometimes.
@@aprilarroyo5253 I am so glad that I am not the only one that feels this way! I'm really kind of sad that I put so many Hoyas in it, and the thing is that I should have known better as I first used it almost 10 years ago. This is probably my 3rd go around with it - Never again!!
I have always steered away from erriostemmas as tried a couple in the past, and they did not do well for me. They require very warm temps and very bright light to do well. That being said, someone gave me a couple of lauterbachii cuttings over the summer, which I rooted and they are doing very nicely. Whether I will keep them long term remains to be seen as I said that I would never grow that particular plant because of space requirements and the difficulty of flowering them indoors.
Hey Doug. This isn’t specifically related to this video but I am needing some advice on my Hoyas. Is there some way I can reach out to you for that? A business email or something? I’m also kinda your neighbor. I live in Vt myself. I love all your videos, your Hoyas absolutely blow me away!!!!
If I were to use Pon for this one, I would make sure that there was no reservoir as I can guarantee you the roots would rot. Pon holds far more water then leca with less space for air.
Gorgeous plants ! I have also heard a lot that these can be difficult… I still want one 😅 Have you ever tried pon ? If so what’s your opinion on it? I’ve only tried leca so far and I find that I get some rot like you and the roots at the top don’t get enough moisture and end up dying off 😕 I was thinking about trying pon to see if I like it better.
I have tried pon, and have made a couple of videos on it, but have struggled with root rot using it as well. I think that it is best used without a water reservoir, or you will have rot sooner rather than later.
I sell small rooted starter plants occasionally on eBay, but they are usually gone within an hour or two of listing them so there is sadly not much chance of finding them. I sell under erbtarzan24.
Mine doesn’t grow. But at least it’s still alive. 😅 I understand what you mean about semi hydro. All the instagramers do it and their plants look so beautiful. And theirs seem to do fine with roots living in the reservoir. I use pon like a chunky soil without any reservoir. I’m afraid of rotting the roots.
I also experienced the same problem with semi hydro. I leave no water reservoir during the winter and less than half inch water reservoir for the summer.
Very good advice Mandy. I am going to try leaving no reservoir in the winter as well as an experiment. Do you soak the plant once a week or so and then drain it all off? This would also be a pain for me as my plants are so closely packed together that getting at all of them to give that kind of maintenance would be awfully time consuming.
Yes, I grew imbricata and undulata mounted, but took to much room and maintenance for me to keep it going. You need constantly very high humidity for mounted Hoya to do well.
Absolutely gorgeous!!! Both have such amazing leaves, and the flowers are so precious 😍 Sad to hear that leca is not for you, but nevertheless this one in leca looks just *chefskiss
Sadly I can no longer sell cuttings to the public as it got completely out of hand. I sell occasional rooted cuttings now on eBay which is far easier to deal with then direct sales.
@@moonoh5005 I am sure that your large Hoyas will flower sooner rather than later. You will have a very hard time finding me on eBay. I usually only list plants a couple times per week and they are usually gone within minutes. I sell under the name erbtarzan24.
I have the wavy-edged undulata and it’s one of my easiest and best growing Hoyas. It has bloomed 3 times now and it’s 2 yrs old. The leaves are huge - biggest around 30 cm - and it’s a steady grower despite the dry air in the house. So I’m wondering why it is so difficult in your opinion. I can send you a pic if you like but need to know the email address. Best regards, Ilona.
Hi Ilona, you can send me a photo at dougchamberlain61@gmail.com It is a mystery to me why some people do so well with a Hoya that the majority fail with and based on my own experience and others in the hobby that I have talked to Hoya undulata falls into that category. I would like to know your secrets to its cultivation!
I wonder what an undulata x carnosa would look like? It'd be so nice to have an easier to take care of version of undulata like Mathilde serves for Serpens. I love that we can combine different Hoya together 😆
Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. One of the best crosses was H. darwinii and H. elliptica which produced H. Patricia. This one is so much easier than the parents especially H. darwinii. I have also heard of one cross between H. archboldiana and H. cumingiana that is so fragile and difficult to grow that they can't even sell it!
Thanks Fraser! This is by far an easier clone to grow. I may try pon in a clear cup or pot as I have rotted the roots to many plants in pon as well. I think the key is that you have to be able to see at a glance from the side if there is still moisture in the pot.
I think that there gets to be a point when I have to say that I have suffered enough pain, and move on to something else. I have had to give up on a number of plants after to many failures.
❤️ That plant looks amazing. The flowers are amazing. I have never believe in trends, Lecca trend, pond trend of whatever comes after lol. I believe in logic and simplistic in planting: soil . Hehehehe Hoya doesn’t live in Lecca in nature.
Your advice Minh are words to live by! I more than anyone have fallen victims to these trends over the years, and for the most part they have not worked out and brought me much grief!
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas thanks . It’s the marketing ploy of capitalism to sell products and make profit . You-tubers just want attention and spot light. Hahaha yeh I am very traditional and keep it simple hahaha
I agree that semi hydro is a lot of work! Hoya Limoniaca is the only one I’ve left in leca to do it’s own thing and it is growing well with no signs of rot. Thank you for sharing your beautiful blooms.
Thank you Lee! Leca would not be so bad I guess if you only had a few plants, but more than that and it becomes almost impossible to stay on top of it. I wish you continued good luck with your Hoya limoniaca!
ugh, my heart still aches for the undulata cutting that just died on me. Incredible leaves!
I feel your pain as I have lost multiple undulata cuttings over the last few years, and have some miserable ones hanging around right now that I keep hoping will turn around and they almost never do:(
Thank you Doug, you have an amazing talent for growing Hoya, your plants are beautiful 💚🙃
Thank you Judy!
Doug I’m overjoyed to see your new video! Somehow I think I missed one. Undulata is a really difficult Hoya! So frustrating because I sure do love it! Thanks again!!
Thanks so much Lynda! This will probably be my last video for some time to come as there is really nothing new or exciting on my Hoya growing horizon.
I didn’t know there was an non-undulated undulata 😆 Love the pink splash!
LOL! Thanks Ria!
Love the subtle pink ting the flowers have!
They do have a pinky overtone!
Hi Doug, thank you for talking about this one and the temperatures you keep this one in! I just (luckily) stumbled upon it at a local plant shop and realized it is thicker and less wavy than the first one I tried. Hopefully I can keep this one happy!
Good luck with your new undulata! I finally got rid of the really wavy leafed one as it was simply too finicky to mess with any longer. The smoother edged, rounder, leafed one is significantly easier to grow.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas Thank you for the good luck! It is now blooming and five of the ten buds have opened up today!
@@manifestdestiny37 Congratulations! I new you could do it!
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas Thank you! The other flowers opened today, and although it had no scent yesterday, it smells of delicious lemon-citrus candy (like lemon pez) if I put my nose right up to it. It stays in the coco husk I bought it in. I water it at the sink and make sure to run the water through really well and let it drain when I water all the plants. I grow it in a Milsbo with computer fans and spider farmer 300 leds that are covered with two layers of parchment paper. Natural Northwestern light shines in before sunset, but doesn’t hit the highest shelf I keep it on. The humidity is anywhere from 50-85 and the temperature from 67-71 usually. Unfortunately, but fortunately, my AC went about two weeks ago and I will thank that for the flowers, as it was 77-87 in here at most. It had smaller buds once before but they blasted pretty quickly. Of course it is blooming under the leaves, basically just above and over the rim and side of the pot. We replaced the AC and I was worried it would blast but thankfully not.
Also, Pulleana IM-08 on the bottom shelf is opening its flowers today for the first time! It has three little flower umbels with a set of new leaves growing on the nodes between each of the flower peduncle nodes. Three flowers, then five, then three. Another tendril has just two flowers. So tiny! I can’t smell a scent on them.
And this morning it has no detectable scent…
Love your videos. A continuing source or knowledge and information. Your info on EPC 209 got me into hoyas, and my undulata is so far chugging along steadily. I'm curious how quickly yours grow. Mine is in a mix of moss and perlite. Thanks again for a nice video!
I loved Hoya EPC 209; sadly I lost it over the winter:( The undulata grows unbelievably slowly for me! Some people can easily grow it, but for me it has been a real struggle!
I agree with you Doug on using leca... I've about 150 Hoyas, 16 orchid cactus and about 13 Stapelia/Huernia/Orbea succulents and as I work about 30 hours a week I'd never have time to keep up with keeping the leca flushed, etc. My Hoyas do very well in my cactus mix. It's terribly hot here in the Pacific Northwest mountains right now, unheard of heat temps, and the plants are drying out incredibly fast. My cuttings in water I have to check every day as the evaporation is fast too, even with ac. Beautiful undulata, one I don't have yet. Happy growing! 🌹💚
Hi Carol, that is a large number of plants to care for especially in that crazy heat that just does not belong in your area. Ideally what I want out of a plant is to get it happy on a weekly watering schedule with no extra fuss. Those are the kind of plants that make me the happiest! Best to you, and happy growing as well💚!
we got a hoya import from Indonesia last month and got Undulatas that looked different, now seeing your video cleared that up for me! Both have been doing quite well in shadehouse but the wavy leaf is more fussy for sure and will keep in mind to try an avoid to many afternoon rains for it!
It is a fearsomely tricky Hoya! A month after shooting that video, my plant re-budded on the same peduncle and will flower again in about a week. Also, the wavy leaf has also budded up and has 8 buds. I don't know what I have done, but both plants are happy right now.
Great job Doug! I really enjoyed this video and have never seen an undulata flower, and probably for good reason!
Thank you! It is definitely achievable, but it seems that you really have to work for it, unless you are very lucky.
Beautiful plant! Can’t wait for the price of this Hoya to go down!
Yes, you and me too! H. undulata is especially expensive, but it is so hard to grow that it will never be cheap.
You never disappoint Doug. Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words Denise!
I just got a very large undulata imported. It came in very good health and looks ok. I was told to keep it in coconut husk on a heat mat in a moisture room. Its been almost two weeks now and has dropped 2 leaves. The plant still looks good but i checked for roots and there are none. The last one i recieved wouldnt root either. That one i cut up and tried to root in pon, chunky soil, and water and had no luck at all. Im getting worried as this one is a replacement and dont seem to wanna root either. Any advice would be great im losing hope here and would like to keep it as a whole plant if possible.
That great leafs you have sir....
Thank You!
Beautiful, the color on the leaves are gorgeous and flowers are very pretty😊.
Thanks Noelle!
I want to thank you for this info on growing in semi hydro. I failed miserably with that method with my hoyas, lost a number of species. Root rot is the only reason I can think of. I got rid of leca and my hoyas are finally growing nicely. Thank you for your very useful and inspirational videos and enjoy your summer!
You are so welcome Pia! It mystifies me how there are so many gorgeous Hoyas grown in semi-hydro on Instagram, when I have never been able to keep a plant happy in it for longer than a year at most. I used to make out better with that method when I had much higher temperatures. I think if you can keep your plant above 80 degrees day and night, there would be far less rot. As it stands I have killed dozens of plants using s-h.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas thank you for your answer. I’ve understood that there’s a so called honeymoon when it comes to s-h. It lasts about one year and at least then the problems begin. I don’t think it took more than half a year until yellowing of leaves and root rot began in my care. Always blamed myself for failing so bad but I won’t anymore. My Hoyas grow on windowsill without any special temperature conditions, under grow lights, in Finland. I believe this is the best I can do and it wasn’t enough growing in s-h.
@@pialeino9874 so what planting media do you use now for hoyas? i am also not a fan of leca.
@@bernadettelopez7225 thank you for asking! My happiest Hoyas grow in a mix of two sizes of seramis, perlite and bark. The other mix that I use consists of bark, perlite and a small amount of moss. I let both mixes get relatively dry between watering. I think they both could be called an orchid mix.
@@pialeino9874 oh cool, i am not good with moss. i have a love and hate relationship with moss😅 i just use bark, pumice, perlite, a little bit of indoor potting soil, bonsai jack gritty mix, charcoal and calcined clay. too many amendments but im comfortable with it and i guess that’s the most important thing and as long as the plants are healthy in the mix we pick for them😊❤️🌱
Great job Doug!! The leaves are amazing an the blooms are stunning!! 🥰 This is one I don’t want to try an tackle, just from all the stories of how difficult it is.Thanks for sharing 💚😁
Thanks so much Sherry!
Very beautiful, both the leaves and flowers are beautiful. Now, in Thailand, the price is very expensive. until I couldn't buy at all
They are very expensive here too. They generally sell for between $200-$400 from the dealers here that import them from Thailand.
Its soooo beautiful! But, uhoh I just bought one yesterday to give it a try and now I'm scared. It will be shipped in a month and I will be (mentally) preparing for the specific care this hoya needs, the whole month while i wait.
Btw do you suggest to mist the whole plant instead of watering the soil, to prevent root rot? Since it grows on tree branches and does not get a lot of rain.
Hi Amber-Leigh, I wish you the best of luck with your new undulata, but it is insanely difficult. I will say though that the non-wavy edged leaf clone seems to be far easier. The one above flowered again 6 weeks after making this video and is now growing another leaf and a new vine. Yes you have to be so careful with root rot with this one. If using leca, barely keep any water in the reservoir and let dry well before watering again. If using another media, make sure to use a clear pot so that you can really see if it is totally dry before watering. Misting the plant and media every day or two may be superior to watering the plant. Good luck and keep me posted on your plant!
Your plant looks so wonderful. Great job :)
Thanks Alexandra!
Hi Doug. Do you soak and cleanse your Leca before you use it on your plants. I have put a quantity of Leca in a bucket of water and after a few days the tds was almost 700. Seems there are salts in Leca that you may not realize is there. The salts could be killing those roots not the Leca itself. Nina of the channel Ninja Orchids taught me this. You have some beautiful blooms there! Self watering with the Leca . Have a water reservoir with microfibre strips to pull the water in the pot. Nina uses this method to grow her orchids and it works quite well.
It is so hard to know what causes the root die off. It could be that the leca has to many dissolved solids, but I still feel that the rot is caused mostly from it staying too wet for too long. I will try the soaking and see if it helps.
i love and appreciate your videos so much, but can you work on sound levels? i'm often watching in quiet moments when others are sleeping, and the musical interludes are usually 2 to 3 times as loud as the spoken parts. so if i'm not 100% focused on catching the end of the spoken part, i risk waking up sleeping family members when the music starts blaring.
I will see what I can do, but it may be beyond my limited technical abilities.
I've contacted you before. I sent you pictures of my grandma's 50 year old herloom Hoya carnosa cuttings. I lost your email to send more pictures of it. It has been growing beautifully. The tenicals are about 3 feet and I want to trim the tenicals. Will cutting the tenicals hurt the plant?
Hi Patrick, trimming the leafless vines that are stretching out everywhere should not hurt your plant, but I would not trim them all as the plant is obviously very happy and if it were mine I would leave some of them alone.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas well, I've taken your good advice so far, so I will continue to do so. My hoyas seem to be the happiest. My philodendron Brasil and heart leaf wilted in the 90° summer heat. If you send me your email address again I could send you pictures of the tentacles it's alive and happy thanks to you
Beautiful Hoya blooms and leaves! Is this sunstressed or naturally has those pink spot on the leaves?
Thank you Mary! It is the sun stressing that causes the pink spots. I would prefer nice green leaves but my lighting is too bright I guess. As soon as I changed the bulbs over the top of this plant, the leaves turned red and pink very quickly.
Oh man. Too bad they are so difficult. I'd love to try my hand at these. Congrats on flowers finally. Seems to me growing in leca is a stupid fad. I'd use it as a mild filler or a drainage layer for my frog tanks.
That is hilarious! I have left a trail of leca where ever I have been it seems. I think a hundred years from now people are going to wonder what all of these little clay balls are doing all over the place.
Leca was a fad in the orchid world a few years ago, it is stupid and a PIA.... lol....I keep telling people I've been there and done that, I'm still finding Leca everywhere. The amount I have left I just mix in as filler sometimes.
@@aprilarroyo5253 Ha, that's good to hear. Just seems like it won't work. But works well as a drainage layer.
@@aprilarroyo5253 I am so glad that I am not the only one that feels this way! I'm really kind of sad that I put so many Hoyas in it, and the thing is that I should have known better as I first used it almost 10 years ago. This is probably my 3rd go around with it - Never again!!
Do you grow any erriostemmas? Like ruthie, or monette? Or affinis? Anything like that?
I have always steered away from erriostemmas as tried a couple in the past, and they did not do well for me. They require very warm temps and very bright light to do well. That being said, someone gave me a couple of lauterbachii cuttings over the summer, which I rooted and they are doing very nicely. Whether I will keep them long term remains to be seen as I said that I would never grow that particular plant because of space requirements and the difficulty of flowering them indoors.
Hey Doug. This isn’t specifically related to this video but I am needing some advice on my Hoyas. Is there some way I can reach out to you for that? A business email or something? I’m also kinda your neighbor. I live in Vt myself. I love all your videos, your Hoyas absolutely blow me away!!!!
Hi Katelyn!
You can contact me at Dougchamberlain61@gmail.com
Do you think planting in pon may actually work a bit better for this one?
If I were to use Pon for this one, I would make sure that there was no reservoir as I can guarantee you the roots would rot. Pon holds far more water then leca with less space for air.
Gorgeous plants ! I have also heard a lot that these can be difficult… I still want one 😅
Have you ever tried pon ? If so what’s your opinion on it? I’ve only tried leca so far and I find that I get some rot like you and the roots at the top don’t get enough moisture and end up dying off 😕 I was thinking about trying pon to see if I like it better.
I have tried pon, and have made a couple of videos on it, but have struggled with root rot using it as well. I think that it is best used without a water reservoir, or you will have rot sooner rather than later.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas interesting, I’ll check out those videos thank you!
You have so much collections of Hoya, Just curious if you are selling some hoya also? Thanks
I sell small rooted starter plants occasionally on eBay, but they are usually gone within an hour or two of listing them so there is sadly not much chance of finding them. I sell under erbtarzan24.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas ok thank you so much
Mine doesn’t grow. But at least it’s still alive. 😅 I understand what you mean about semi hydro. All the instagramers do it and their plants look so beautiful. And theirs seem to do fine with roots living in the reservoir. I use pon like a chunky soil without any reservoir. I’m afraid of rotting the roots.
You are wise to worry about root rot. I have been plagued with it this summer.
I also experienced the same problem with semi hydro. I leave no water reservoir during the winter and less than half inch water reservoir for the summer.
Very good advice Mandy. I am going to try leaving no reservoir in the winter as well as an experiment. Do you soak the plant once a week or so and then drain it all off? This would also be a pain for me as my plants are so closely packed together that getting at all of them to give that kind of maintenance would be awfully time consuming.
Doug Chamberlain I just flash them once with water and once with nutrient water. I don’t soak them.
Have you ever tried growing any Hoyas mounted?
Yes, I grew imbricata and undulata mounted, but took to much room and maintenance for me to keep it going. You need constantly very high humidity for mounted Hoya to do well.
I have to get myself one of these!
They are crazy expensive and very difficult to grow and keep alive so it is hard to give this one a ringing endorsement.
Absolutely gorgeous!!! Both have such amazing leaves, and the flowers are so precious 😍 Sad to hear that leca is not for you, but nevertheless this one in leca looks just *chefskiss
Thanks Kimmy!
Hi Doug, how to order Hoya cuttings from you? Thank you 😊
Sadly I can no longer sell cuttings to the public as it got completely out of hand. I sell occasional rooted cuttings now on eBay which is far easier to deal with then direct sales.
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas how to find you on Ebay? Love your collections. I have lots of big pots of hoyas but they don’t give me flowers 😔
@@moonoh5005 I am sure that your large Hoyas will flower sooner rather than later. You will have a very hard time finding me on eBay. I usually only list plants a couple times per week and they are usually gone within minutes. I sell under the name erbtarzan24.
I have the wavy-edged undulata and it’s one of my easiest and best growing Hoyas. It has bloomed 3 times now and it’s 2 yrs old. The leaves are huge - biggest around 30 cm - and it’s a steady grower despite the dry air in the house. So I’m wondering why it is so difficult in your opinion. I can send you a pic if you like but need to know the email address. Best regards, Ilona.
Hi Ilona, you can send me a photo at dougchamberlain61@gmail.com It is a mystery to me why some people do so well with a Hoya that the majority fail with and based on my own experience and others in the hobby that I have talked to Hoya undulata falls into that category. I would like to know your secrets to its cultivation!
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas Will send you email! :)
I wonder what an undulata x carnosa would look like? It'd be so nice to have an easier to take care of version of undulata like Mathilde serves for Serpens. I love that we can combine different Hoya together 😆
Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. One of the best crosses was H. darwinii and H. elliptica which produced H. Patricia. This one is so much easier than the parents especially H. darwinii. I have also heard of one cross between H. archboldiana and H. cumingiana that is so fragile and difficult to grow that they can't even sell it!
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The nicest undulata I have seen, great job Doug. Looks like the clone is a hardier for collectors. Maybe try a switch from leca to pon.
Thanks Fraser! This is by far an easier clone to grow. I may try pon in a clear cup or pot as I have rotted the roots to many plants in pon as well. I think the key is that you have to be able to see at a glance from the side if there is still moisture in the pot.
The next I try to grow it in hydro seeds. Thank you
Can i buy hoya bella all white from you please.... 😥. Thank you!
Send me an email at dougchamberlain61@gmail.com and maybe we can work something out.
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Hi can you please identify this hoya for me. I will really appreciate it. The seller said it’s Bella
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@@lolakittyseoul67 You can send me a photo at dougchamberlain61@gmail.com
Hi, I've already died four .... but I'll try again. Thank you
I think that there gets to be a point when I have to say that I have suffered enough pain, and move on to something else. I have had to give up on a number of plants after to many failures.
❤️ That plant looks amazing. The flowers are amazing. I have never believe in trends, Lecca trend, pond trend of whatever comes after lol. I believe in logic and simplistic in planting: soil . Hehehehe Hoya doesn’t live in Lecca in nature.
Your advice Minh are words to live by! I more than anyone have fallen victims to these trends over the years, and for the most part they have not worked out and brought me much grief!
@@DougChamberlainVTHoyas thanks . It’s the marketing ploy of capitalism to sell products and make profit . You-tubers just want attention and spot light. Hahaha yeh I am very traditional and keep it simple hahaha