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Carruthers & Carruthers (USA) - 1984 Sarajevo, Pairs' Long Program
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2009
- Sarajevo, YUGOSLAVIA - 1984 Winter Games, Figure Skating, Pairs' Long Program - Kitty and Peter Carruthers decided to skate conservatively in order to guarantee themselves a medal. As such, they opted not to attempt the throw quadruple Salchow, since they were only successfully landing it 60% of the time. Their decision paid off as they skated clean, which helped them win the Silver Medal.
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This program brought me to tears. So genuine, so great ... their skating is timeless ... and Kitty has some of the most beautify lines in the business ... her extension, toe points, are legendary. Even though they didn't win, this type of skating makes you proud to be an American.
I’ve never watched the until now and what struck me the most is the smile never left her face. The pressure had to be immense and she just looked like it was the happiest day of her life
I STILL get chills watching this!!!
Kitty never stopped smiling, from beginning to end of program, her smile didn't falter. I like seeing that because the pressure is so great on athletes in all Olympic sporting events, that it's painful to see their nerves show on their faces.
A perfect example is Debi Thomas. Before her long program in '88, you could see on her face the strain and nervousness and I hurt for her. I bet she wished a hundred times to be able to go back and have a do over.
Wonderful skating aside she had a smile that lit up the stadium.
Kitty knew what she was doing! Did you see the confidence all over her before the throw double axel? And Peter had 100% trust in her! No question about their bond!
it would be nice for an American pair today use the same music, especially the beginning, it was exhilarating with the drumbeats.
wONDERFUL performance. Well earned silver. Not enough finish, not enough content for gold. Too conservative but nice!!!
Well said!
does anyone know what the music was for this? Especially the slow middle section.
This was a great performance and presentation wise won the night. But V and V were just place holders until the arrival of the greatest pair of all time 4 years later.
They were robbed!!
Who are they
Kitty and Peter Carruthers, American brother and sister team. They won the silver medal in these Olympics
@@sarahbgln
I thought they might have been husband and wife.
Peter Carruthers announces Figure Skating events. They were on the ice when I was 3 or 4 years old
@@kimwaddell4218 They're siblings, both adopted but from different mothers. You are right that peter did become a commentator for some of the major skating competitions
I've never watched this program before, 28 years later and it brought me to tears. How wonderful and so near to see a brother and sister make it this far. They were denied that gold IMO. They did an amazing job! Thank you for the opportunity to see this.
They have such precise positions, elegant artistry mixed with up front, all-American exuberance.
I beam with pride every time I watch this
Maybe not as difficult as V & V or as polished, but it was clean and executed well with some difficult and uncommon moves in there like the lateral twist... but even more than that, it was done with a lot of passion. They really gave it everything they had and it showed. Hopefully some day we will see another American pair win a silver or perhaps even a first ever gold!
I never get tired of watching this.
They will always be the gold medal winner to me!!
Thank you so much for posting this. I remember watching it. I was in the sixth grade. I was hoping they would have won Gold but, was happy they got silver!!
They had the most beautiful sit spin. You don't see that anymore.
And tango camels.
OH, wow.... I agree. It's been so long. I had forgotten about their beautiful sit spins and death spirals. Kitty & Peter were such bright spots for the USA 4 years after Tai Babilonia & Randy Gardner's heart-breaking experience of 1980 in Lake Placid
this program had impact and built i saw it live on tape in 1984 they brought the house down throws were some of the highest in world at the time
a beautiful performance with a nice flow and some excellent lifts and the best throws of the night. How anyone could say that this didnt deserve at least the silver medal is totally ridiculous.. the East Germans had horrendous choreography and had mistakes, the Soviet pair that won had less finesse but more difficulty, but still Peter and Kitty had spirit and verve, which NO other pair showed that night.
I already predicted Valova & Vasiliev would be overtaken by a younger Soviet team if they continued and predicted it would be a mistake of them to continue after 84. I had no idea that it would be Gordeeva & Grinkov of course, knew nothing about them at this point really, but I knew it would be someone. If Gordeeva & Grinkov had not emerged, it probably would have been Selezneva & Makarov, who yes Valova & Vasiliev almost always beat the next 4 years too, but that is since with G&G taking over and Valova & Vasiliev being past Olympic winners they were relegated to #3 team, but probably are pushed to take over as #1 without G&G. Or some other Soviet pair we never got to see due to those 3. I honestly don't think V&V stay #1 until 88 even if G&G had not emerged. Their 83 world win was controversial with most thinking the East Germans should have won, and some even thinking maybe Underhill & Martini too. Their win here was probably deserved, but some thought the Carruthers arguably outskated them in the long program even here. And they lost post olympic worlds to Underhill & Martini. They were not nearly unbeatable like the past dominant Soviet teams, and I think they should have taken their titles and run at that point, not tried to stay in another quad. Just my opinion, but I was proven right in my prediction then that they would overtaken. And I still insist even if G&G had not emerged, they still would have been.
And yes the Carruthers were fab here and 100% deserved atleast the silver. I even think they have a good case for winning the long which would have given them the gold, but since they were very lucky to even be tied for 2nd in the short, I am fine with the result, but a mix of 2nd to 4th place ordinals in the long, bigtime underscored when they were the only inspired skate of the entire night. I get their side by side jumps were much easier than both Soviets and even the East Germans so some docking for that in the marks for sure, but everything beyond that was great, and their best skate ever both technically and artistically. And all those other teams badly messed up atleast 1 side by side jump negating some of their jump advantage already.
On another note Larissa's costume was absolutely hideous and detracted from the overall skate for me since I couldn't stop looking at that hideous dress. Her lift positions were godawful at this point, the short is much better for them as it hides their weaknesses, especialy just 1 overhead lift which is impossible to hit an ugly position from. The Germans picked such horrible music, and Valova & Vasiliev's music cuts were ridiculous and weird with like 6 different ones that made no sense together, but kind of funny all the same and they made it work well somehow.
Take it from Dick Button. They were tremendous. The emotion in his voice is just wonderful. And he would certainly know whether they were on. And he'd tell you if they weren't. Peter and Kitty. OUR pairs champions
Well Mr. Button waa and is bit biaased. A little to pro US.
@@skaterboy-cz9wj Of course, Dick Button is certainly thrilled when the USA does well, AND if you know anything about him, he is also thrilled when any other skaters do well....He is, if anything, BRUTALLY honest when a skating program isn't up to an internationally competitive level regardless of the nationality and never hesitates as to telling you why a skater or skaters, US or others, had flaws in their programs.
@@philanois6031 Oh come on. Uncle Dicky almost has an orgasm if it is his favourite skater and if he doesn't like you watch out. He is an American commentator and probably more of an entertainer du to his pro US lleanings. He never criticized Michelle Kwan for her puny jumps and lack of ampitud on them. He is more of a caricature. I am just trying to say a balanced approach. But I do think the energy of the Carruthers was wonderful. Their comments in answering questions made me laugh a bit. Well ocached on what to say.
I forgot how good they were. He sure was a cutie. She had such a wonderful smile.
Double flip? You're choosing to discount their split triple twist, throw triple salchow, throw double axel, lateral twist, lifts and excellent unison. Not the most elegant pair, but this was a very well executed program.
Should have won gold. The most sparkling & exuberant performance of the night!
Great artistry!!!
She's my neighbour and is amazing :)
They deserved gold. This was the performance of the night. They were clean and had flow and interesting artistry. V&V had more difficult elements, in addition to the obvious mistake on the 2A, their program was dull and uninspiring.
Они вообще должны были бронзу взять... Скажите спасибо, что серебро выиграли с таким простеньким прокатам.. Вы на прыжки посмотрите. Двойной параллельный тулуп, у ВВ тройной параллельный в каскаде. ВВ намного качественно и сложно исполнили свою программу.
Plus V&V didn't have a triple twist. They chose to do a double axel twist, instead of triple twist. I think that makes up the difference between Kitty & Peter not doing side-by-side triple toe jumps.
They should have won! This should have been the end of the soviet domination.
Luckily there was no Italian judge on this panel, their federation was sleeping with the Soviets for decades. No block judging here: USR, JPN, FRA and GDR went for the Soviet pair, FRG, USA, GBR, CAN and TCH went for the American pair
@russianskatingfan we all have our own opinions. I respect yours.
This performance was so superior overall to the rest of the shit skated that night yet they won the silver medal by ONE judge. It was the 5.9 for artistic by the Canadian judge that gave them that medal.
That is from former Skate Canada director David Dore!
No way it should have been that close. Such a passionate performance!
@hatula87 They hit on the most important night of their competitive lives. It's not their fault if 'better' pair teams like Underhill & Martini bombed their spin and jump elements in the SP/LP respectively. C&C's throw triple sal was awesome-the best of the night up to that point.
@miloandtock1 They didn't get any skating-while-Russian points. I really enjoyed this program.
Skating while Russian deserves lots of points. Russian pairs skate so much better. Other countries struggle so badly with pair skating, whether they can do the jumps or not.
@sdcashman45 Meno and Sand had some nice programs and skated quite well. They did struggle with nerves, but I would not call them shoddy. American pairs have never been very strong though. They don't stay in partnerships long enough to develop the team.
Tai and Randy-not strong?!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the music from roughly 2:17 until about 3:10 sounds like part of the music Midori Ito used in the slow section of her LP at the '88 Olympics and worlds.
you are correct
Paquita by Ludwig Minkus, I think.
@rickram1961 It's the Main Title from the movie, "Capricorn One." Boitano also used it as the opening music of his Long :Program here.
what was the slow music in the middle section?
Props to Canada for artistry! They gave the Russians the run for their life when Underhill and Martini couldn't pull up!
Did the American judge give them 2nd?
The Carruthers had a triple twist, throw triple salchow and throw double axel and the lateral twist and hydrant lift and the pull arabians. Their program was plenty difficult without side by side triples or double axel. The Carruthers were far superior to Selezneva-Makaro.
Watson-Oppegard, who had some pretty good original moves and the best death sprial were also better than Selezneva-Makarov.
But US pairs have not been on the radar lately.
Watson was with Burt Lancon at this Olympics. She didn't pair up with Oppegard until after Burt retired after the 1984 world championships.
@@excalibur1812 Yes I know, I'm talking 1988 - I never under why judges would have gladly had S-M in third even with all the mistakes, even in the 87 Worlds.
5.5??! That Japanese judge was still bitter about the A-bombs. Go stuff it!
@bemar1972 They won the silver medal. It's been over 28 years now. Let it go already. Underhill & Martini did.
underhill and martini, watch them
No triple toeloops, no double axels. That was "terrific" :))
@Novelwit2000 Sure if you don't do a difficult elements - it's so easy to do a clean performance! I would like to se this very weak Carruthers with 3T and 2A! Andis hysteric american fans applaused on the easiest double elements:)))
You couldnt pick out any position in this program that was not first rate. The throws were the best of the evening. They had the best spins, lifts and their program was the more artistic of the evening. You are so basic. You dont realize that is isnt only about technical elements. There is line, position, spins, lifts and choreography that also influence the scores. I didnt see too many other pairs skate as "one" that evening. Sit down and let the experts do the analysis here.
@@metsdudenj Her jumps, especially 2F - a first pate position in the air? Just look at her rafting free leg in the air and shakely landing 2:12, compare at least with his 2F. Or landing in twist, he should only touch her waist on the catch, and not hug her as here 0:34. Best lifts really? Only two full overhead lifts with no change of her position, no difficult variations? Best spins? Did you watch Valova-Vasiliev program, in which both catch his foot during the rotation, performing difficult variations? There are no difficult spin variations in this program.
She made a two footed landing on a jump but whats surprising is that there were SIX western leaning judges and THREE Eastern bloc countries. So the judging was skewered in their favor.
Hardly, the Canadian judge tried to hold them down in the SP to boost the Canadians. And he favored the East Germans over the Carruthers to try to boost his pair to a medal
The Czech judge voted for the Americans, and the Japanese voted against them, so it really wasnt skewed in their favor. I was one of the statisticians for this competition, and the way the ordinals played out, the Americans had 5 2nd place votes the Russians had 2 and East Germans 3. The real scramble was for the bronze, but the ordinals played against the East Germans, because they had more second place votes than the Russians, but 4 fourth place votes. It was crazy, because there were a few ties in there, and one of two judges could have flipped the whole thing. But I feel ultimately, it was the Canadian judge throwing the 5.9 for the Carruthers' artistic mark sealed it up for them. There were really 5 pairs contending for the three medals and honestly, I expected the Carruthers to be lower in the SP because it was an average skate, but they capitalized on the errors of the other teams.
They both two footed that jump. It was a planned two foot landing.
@barkingtree88 LOL dream on. This team is not a gold medal pair at all. They dont even have one of the technical ability or artistry to win a major title, let alone both. I would have actually had them 4th behind the 2nd Russians and Germans even with their mistakes since they had much harder elements and better presentation.
Hello. They won the silver medal. All American pairs since have been shoddy...at best. When has an American pair won anything higher than an Olympic Gold or Silver medal? NEVER. Jill Watson and Peter Oppergard took a work bronze...but they left a lot to be desired. The state of international figure skating was in a definite state of flux for Waston & Oppergard to win ANYTH
ING.
For a pair that had only skated together for 2 years I don't think they did a bad job.