@@Leekodot15yeah, that's the thing, HE IS RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT COMES SAVING THE DAY, he doesn't care about killing mainly because he'll just pummel the villain back to the ground, and his ideals are morally better then the whole "kill or be killed" thing, he's a hero, nearly every hero spares most of their villains lives.
Pepole kinda forget that Sonic is not really your typical hero. He doesn't just go around saving people bc he needs to, he does it because he wants to, but is also a teenager that likes to live freely
@@videogollumerThat’s like saying if you’re obligated to do school, then you want to go to school. There could be an incident where the hero just had it and quits. Metro Man from Megamind is a great example of that for he has his own personal goals
@@themasterfailure4748 I said if they FEEL obligated! I haven't really seen Megamind beyond "Ow! My giant blue head!", but Metro Man OBVIOUSLY didn't FEEL obligated anymore if he quit.
This reminds me of Sonic's philosophy to Merlina. He doesn't mind there being an end, even if it makes him the bad guy to others. But he'll always fight for the next day to come, enjoying his life to the fullest.
Fr. I'm seriously tired of people always wanting to force down the "kill your enemies" onto every heroic character without even analysing if it makes sense for them or not.
It’s worth mentioning that just like in Batman it’s not sonic’s responsibility to be judge jury, and executioner. It’s the legal system which just like in Gotham city is a really feeling like a total failure un-capable of containing criminals long-term do the bad guys just have really good lawyers keep getting released on parole just to commit more crimes. Do they really have that many escape plans is someone breaking them out repeatedly or is it like a contract where there are entire companies dedicated to breaking super villains out of prisons
@@johay899 Yeah, but Batman at least makes sure the villains are delivered to the authorities. Sure, Sonic has never done that before, but after the Metal Virus?! The Metal Virus was essentially as bad as the Anti-Life Equation!!! Anyone with commonsense knows that Eggman should go to prison for life, if not be executed, for that!!!
I agree with Sonics answer of wanting everyone to be free. That’s a right that everyone has in the comic universe. I can understand why people would be upset and agree with Surge that ending his enemies would be the better solution to stopping their evil. However, that’s just not in line with Sonic’s character, throughout the comic we see that Sonic consistently wants to redeem his villains to the good side. I think that makes Sonic more noble because he’s willing to forgive them if they truly want it and even advocate for them like he did with Mr. Tinker even if it makes people angry with him like Espio was. Killing them would be stripping them of their freedom to choose the right path and seeing the error of their ways and I think that’s what Sonic really meant by his answer.
Nah, I sadly disagree. Eggman during Sonic forces was confirmed to kill a ton of people in both a battle in one of his old mines( Sonic IDW issue 2) as well as when he hired assassins to off small time heroes( whisper and tangle side story last issue). Sonic is being foolish by letting like Eggman live, because it'll only be a matter of time before one of the many villains Sonic spares kills someone that he truly cherishes.
@@TUSKSTUDIOartAlso the whole metal virus saga that was caused by this exact ideal. He speak of how otheres "enemies" were redeemed after speaking with him when in reality none of them were evil to begin with... Shadow was brainwhased, knuckles and silver were tricked and blaze literally just wanted to do her job without anyone helping her. I also deslike how they let eggman go after this mess, not even send him to prison.
Honestly I'm not opposed to Sonics way of doing things in IDW. My issue is that it feels like they make it that only his perspective and morals matter and no one else. Only Espio brought it up and I felt that it was made to lean more towards Sonic's side but we didn't get to see much of the other. But no one else has brought it up and basically just has this "Sonic is always right" mentality. I'm not saying he should kill his enemies, as his approach to freedom fits his character well, but to just learn or lock up the villians or something. I get that he is meant to be a flat character, but some development in this aspect I think would do some good.
I absolutely love that his mercy and unconditional kindness has been a theme since the first arc about whether it’s a heroic quality or a fatal flaw. It’s even cooler that Sonic’s answer to the question is that it doesn’t matter the important thing is he keeps being himself even if there’s consequences to it
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed. -Solaris -Evil King Arthur -The Biolizard -The Time Enitity from Generations -The End from Frontiers
@@SuperboyLilly You know, I’m starting to wonder if Sonic just has a thing for killing gods or something because I’m noticing a trend on this list. Also I know Sonic is written in different medias/writing staffs. I really wish Sega would let each one exist as different continuities so people can have less constraints in defining their interpretations of characters.
@@Icepiq72 Oh, the slaying gods thing is a part of Japanese culture; in Japanese media, killing gods is a metaphorical critique of capitalism and societal issues from all throughout their history.
His theme song, "It Doesn't Matter" (he has multiple theme songs), literally says "It doesn't matter now what happens, cause I will never give up the fight. Long as the voice inside tells me to run and fight, it doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right." While Sonic commonly fights on the side of good, he isn't 100% a hero, nor does he intend to be. He's "just a guy who loves adventure", which commonly means that he fights bad guys to keep people free. If a bad guy came in and did nothing but destroy the government without taking out innocent civilians and without trying to rule the world, Sonic would likely aid them. Freedom is a chaotic and not-always-good force. Just as "Dark" doesn't always mean "evil", "Sonic" doesn't always equate to "good".
like in Black Knight, he straight up says he can't be the hero every time. he doesn't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while. Sonic fights for what _he_ thinks is right
I think Sonic choosing freedom is very in character for him. I mean, I think that’s what Sonic has always been about as a franchise - the idea of freedom. And yeah, letting his enemies live and have the same freedom to do as they wish still has its consequences - that’s the whole reason Surge & Kit exist, and I think they serve to challenge his morals and highlight that his actions still have negative consequences, despite his positive intentions. I like the writing personally!
@@maryboyd8126 nope he did for some reason idw is canon to the games? When idw sonic and game sonic act nothing alike, also I’m talking about how idw is canon to the games but idw sonic doesn’t want to kill but he did in the games
@@maryboyd8126 maybe but if you ask me idw is a alternate universe from the games, just because characters from idw were mentioned in frontiers doesn’t mean it’s canon because Ian Flynn wrote frontiers story and he’s the same guy who wrote for idw and made a character cry for 6 panels
Freedom is about choices. You chose your own path and sometimes it can lead to a lot of pain but if keep going then you can find the happiness you seek.
@@justynhill4814 The issue is that freedom now simply means doing whatever you want with no consequences, and anyone who gets hurt by your choices simply do not matter.
I actually loves Sonic's stance, because his concept of freedom also includes the idea that villains have the freedom to change and the freedom to do good. It would be selfish to end someone just because they could be a greater threat in the future, if someone has the ability to change why not place hope in that.
I won't lie to you, I don't think Eggman is changing anytime soon. The guy has been doing this for over a few decades now our time, and what, 4 years in Sonic's time at least? (I forgot how old he was in the classics) I just think placing hope in someone to change, when they very clearly have no intention to, and never will, is a bit naive. I'm not saying sonic should just off him, but he should absolutely get life in prison. Or someone else should do the job, idk
@@_Friezayou need to remember that this is an IP with many writers. Because of that egg man gets to be as evil as often as the writer's decide. This is the answer as to why they never change.
The only problem I have with that reasoning is how much victims there'll be until a said villain reforms. Is it fair for the countless innocents to suffer so that one day a single individual can get their happy ending? Doesn't the victims also deserves to be happy? And is there any limit of acceptable victims until the villain turns good? How much? 100? 1000? Is it at the millionth until the hero says stop, enough, you had your chance? I mean, look at the metal virus, are we to believe there wasn't at least a few deaths from people who tried to flee from the infected and had accidents such as crashing their cars by going off the road, leaping out of a window in panic, or by being crushed by collapsing buildings or any rubble because of the chaos?
It's the philosophy of Christian God which is actually really funny that people are demonizing him for a thing that certain people praise and see the other as a great good guy. Btw, having the freedom of being good or bad doesn't mean you won't get punished if you are bad he just wants them to figure it out themselves. Sonic actually does this several times, especially on the final episode of the second season in Sonic X if you know what I mean. Again, he doesn't impose his ideals, he teaches them more passively. Shadow is more opinionated and aggressive about that tho since they are opposites. It's why he wanted to kill all humanity as he saw them as irredeemable while he saw Maria as this angelic full of kindness figure. He also tried to kill Cosmo without letting her explain herself because, again, he sees the world in absolutes without mercy at all. Sonic never killed Eggman which Shadow actually did at some point. Why should he do it now? These people just want to hate on IDW
Sonic himself, with many of his former enemies, proves that stance true as well. Surge herself eventually, Shadow, Omega, Emeral, etc. Heck, it's funny, cause another Speedster's rogues gallery also proves the point. The Flash. He's redeemed numerous villains, and the only ones he hasn't are the ones who actively want to challenge Flash anyway. Who will help Flash when needed. Really the Freedom to Choose argument is more potent than many of these "Heros should kill" people claim. And they often just want blood, not justice.
Although Sonic is irresponsible sometimes, he probably understands that freedom comes with responsibility. He loves his freedom and won't tolerate it when good people have theirs taken away.
That isn't freedom vs happiness. That is freedom vs security, in which sonic could absolutely kill and remove all the "bad guys" by being a literal God tyrant
@@LockeLynxsonic is a god didnt yknow? they never said anything, its implicit "the knigth of the wind" blaze, who is a princess is the counterpart form another universe of sonic, she is sonic on that universe... she has conection qith the sol emerals and... its a princess, she has some connection with some wieird magi powers and items (jewel scepter) sonic should have something similar to her (tough,in archie comics eggman actually says that sonic is the real god of chaos, but those arent canon so...)
Except Sonic has killed, and he is willing to kill if the situation calls for it. Killing someone who is trying to kill you and others wouldn't make you a "literal God tyrant", that's self-defense and heroism.
That’s just the batman-joker level point that comics always make, the hero is showing mercy so that the villain has a chance to be better, and out of their own good nature. It really isn’t the hero’s responsibility to *kill* the villain either. I agree with sonic
Essentially, yeah. That latter part is shared by SFDebris in regards to why Batman shouldn't kill, or why Superman shouldn't be the one saving everyone. It's not their job to be judge, jury, and executioner, but to protect those who can't protect themselves. Also, it brings up the question of, if not Sonic/Superman/Batman, than whose job IS it it fulfill people's dreams of the villain's absolution? Why does Shadow, or even E-126 Omega let Eggman slide and show him mercy, if they don't have the same moral qualms with killing that Sonic does? Why doesn't G.U.N assassinate Eggman in his sleep, if he's such a big threat? Why are we relying and even BEGGING on Sonic to do the job, when any one of us, with enough conviction and resources, do the job for him? Finally, it's not Sonic who's responsible for Eggman's atrocities, as his origin has Eggman already doing evil before he met Sonic; if anything, Sonic is the one caught up in all of this, and is just trying to ensure no one gets hurt by his archenemy's antics. And, the fact that Eggman has shown - through his Mr. Tinker persona and other Enemy Mine scenarios where he had to team up with Sonic to deal with a bigger threat (even if he's usually the one who unknowingly releases it) - to be able to do the right and moral thing when push came to shove means that Sonic's philosophy that everyone has a chance to live their lives as they want without hurting others IS valid.
@@God-T well in that sense it would be more evil and irresponsible to kill the baby who has done nothing after all you as baby had just as much potential for evil as Hitler actually we all do as joker said "all it takes is one bad day" even the Bible teaches thst no person is "good" we make good choices we "try" but we are all born in a flesh that sins we are all worthy of damnation on our own and besides you don't know what timeline your in Hitler might make good choices in that timeline and be more like God wishes or he could be the same but killing an innocent baby is worse no matter how you look at it
It’s only a problem cus it was brought up in the first place. Sonic has never once killed Eggman when he’s been dead to rights. And to be fair, it wasn’t until IDW where Eggman started doing stuff to actually warrant Sonic maybe having to kill him. The Zombot arc is the first time we saw Sonic damn near exhausted fighting Eggman’s schemes before. Yeah there was that brief cutscene in unleashed but that doesn’t really count
Freedom gives you the ability to make decisions on your own. This includes deciding to do what makes you happy, like going on a run, tinkering with your inventions, or even spending your time alone in a secluded area with just your thoughts.
I like IDW Sonic's characterization because his philosophy is clearly an aspect of the character and not the writers inserting their own opinion like so many other main characters
Sonic says he doesn't kill So we got Final Hazard Attempted killing Black Doom. Sealed Erazor Djinn for eternity Killed "Illusion" King Arthur Solaris Time Eater... I think IDW Sonic is a liar he definetely has no problem killing his foes. He just chooses not too.
@@LittleSansLittletaleI mostly agree, but Final Hazard he and Shadow were on a deadline, and Shadow would never let him spare that thing. Solaris and Time Eater (and The End as well) are beings without morality or conscience, and exist to oppose the freedom he believes in to the point where even Eggman fears them. Erazor and Arthur however, there was no excuse. But screw Erazor in particular
@@kylem7917 But you agree? His whole.. "i don't kill" thing is a lie and flanderization of his character. If it calls for it he has NO problem with killing.
@@LittleSansLittletale No, I feel he's saying he doesn't kill "people" which he really doesn't do. Anyone who is sentient enough to make a choice is worth sparing to him. The only two exceptions were a Djinn (which are as stubborn as gods) and King Arthur (who ended up being Merlina's puppet and he didn't kill her). Sonic only kills Gods and deities who are impossible to change. He's always been this way. Who is he to kill Surge when she's got more potential for good than Fang or Shadow? He always turns fang in to the authorities, and Shadow did change so It wouldn't be fair to kill her. Eggman has potential shown through Mr. Tinker and his fatherhood of Sage, so Sonic sees a glimmer of hope in him. At the end of the day, Sonic never kills a man (or animal). Strictly gods, and always will
@@kylem7917 After everything eggman has done from Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Forces I still don't see that as an Excuse of why Sonic doesn't Kill. Even HE has limits.
Killing deals a very serious blow and a bloody scar to one’s soul. It’s not something to take lightly at all. I don’t blame a single hero who decides to avoid that. They still do far more than an average person by constantly thwarting the villains plans. Besides, Surge and her buddy were delusional AF. I wouldn’t tout what they said for even a grain of salt. They just want to kill Sonic the same way a drug addict wants their next dose, claiming it will bring them all the relief in the world. They would say anything if it threw Sonic off his game long enough for them to hurt him again.
Surge's point of view is coming from someone that got messed up BECAUSE Sonic wouldn't do what is needed. I see the point of view of Sonic but he lives in an idealistic world. Every time he allows Eggman to go free unpunished he allows Eggman to hurt more people. In a way Surge's existence is a constant reminder that Sonic's choice to allow bad guys to have their freedoms will always cause collateral damage.
Plus it would seem very out of character for him, like the two bad guys are very delusional and if he killed them that would leave a huge scar on his soul which would harm his entire character cause if he were to start killing he'd probably be just like shadow...but I get wanting to break a cycle but there are other ways of doing so
Sonic is technically correct. He doesn't end his enemies. He wants them to learn a lesson in choosing to be free. Here's the thing about being happy: Happiness comes and goes all the time. Living a free life and choosing to do what you want can lead to happiness. Not just happiness, but it can lead you to finding peace. I remember someone said this, "I would rather sacrifice the smile on my face than sacrifice my life to bondage."
sonic the hedgehog has always wanted to live life without regrets. he wants that for everyone else. hell one of the best songs literally called live life is about having to take bad with the good and just live life. sonics morals has evolved with him he is no longer that sonic from the 90s and we should all know that by now
Any of y’all saying Sonic is wrong let’s be real him not ending some of his enemies helped defeat other deadlier ones and changed some for the better we all know this.
@@adamkean2243 which leads to my theory that this whole entire story is sonic fault from the jump. when Eggman began working with Sonic or even in the slightest supported him, that lets me know at some point Eggman was a good guy... something that happened in the very beginning and i believe Sonic's free will thinking caused a bad accident which shifted A LOT IN TIME.
@@adamkean2243 And what if Eggman was scheming something while Sonic finishes him off? Imagine that something was already set to launch or operate automatically, and that something could be so dangerous and only Eggman would know how to stop it. Without Eggman, boom, world gone. He's literally the most intelligent being on Earth.
Yeah...making sonic also Killing all of enemies ruthlessly and automatically just basically out of character he would have a same situation like Adam from hazbin hotel because he Never does this even in games..while I do agree let go of metal Sonic WAS STUPID AS HELL!!! and idiotic trust me I hate that part too the criticiss about that part is completely valid but if he does this EVERYSINGLE time..just makes it out of character too.. unless that villain is one-dimensional plain evil then yeah...you should kill that villain It's really complicated because both sonic and surge are right in a way.. And as for sonic's character potryal in IDW I agree his character is Abit changes and he became abit too preachy but however...he still have those old traits of his character so his character in IDW isn't fully or entirely inconsistent or out of character in IDW and also he's not exactly too merciful like he wasn't merciful to Eggman,starline or zavok that matter when he was super sonic he just one-shot gigantic zavok without a second thought without any hesitation..and beat him to the ground so..no I don't think he's too merciful IDW sonic isn't stupid if he sees that he needs to put a stop to a villain he will without any hesitation like he did with zavok so I don't think his characterization in IDW is bad infact it's good and kinda fit with his personality too it's not exactly out of character maybe. It perfect but it's still good..but the fact issue 50 has some much complexity behind it makes the story really good ngl
There are people in this world who would want to do so many bad things to you… You just don’t come across them that often. Because others protect you from them. Your police, military, etc. They deal with all sorts of f@cked up individuals every day, just so you wouldn’t have to. Appreciate your safety but don’t be naive. There’s a whole world of hurt out there.
I wouldn't say he's irresponsible, but he's definitely arrogant, which has led him to make some careless mistakes. He usually does take responsibility and try to fix it, tho.
Sonic is more responsible than you think, but it’s closer to “I made a mistake, I’ll fix it” kind of deal, because yeah, he’s reckless, hot headed, and sometimes doesn’t listen to his friends and it gets him in trouble, but he does own up to that and tries to make things right, something he never does with Surge at any point.
@@JerardKal Um, he tried several times to let her know he wanted to help her and even risked his life to save her mid-fight. But between the brainwashing and trauma the only way she can be "helped" is by him ending up dead. And even then, she can't know 100% if that would clear her head or not. And let's look at Kit. Tails basically had him converted to their side until Kit saw Surge and Sonic fighting and just reflexively snapped back to his programming. These two *can* be reasoned with, it's just going to take a lot more than a Sonic Pep Talk to get through to them both.
@@vigorouslethargy That's funny that you say he said he wanted to help her. I'm PREEEETTY sure he just told her to stop being bad. I reread that issue enough times to know Sonic made the most BARE MINIMUM effort to try and reach Surge and then pretty much gave up. Him reaching for her at the end of their first fight is just a token towards the hero he should be rather than the egotistical idiot he is in IDW.
@@JerardKal Well my power was out for a couple hours so I just reread both their initial fight and the rematch with the dynamo by lovely candlelight. In the first fight he tells her repeatedly he doesn't want to fight, that he doesn't know what her deal is but he's willing to talk it out. "I'm willing to chalk this up as a 'rocky start' and give you a do-over" "Just like that?" "Just like that." "The doctors, too?" "Even them." "Reinvent myself? Choose who I want to be?" "That's the idea." "See the world...." "Yeah!" "That abandoned me?" At that point she moves the goalposts. She says that if she volunteered for Starline's experiment she obviously wasn't in a good place to start, and if she were kidnapped nobody ever came for her. She essentially says that since she's had her past robbed from her she's going to take everyone's future. Which is just misplaced revenge. In the second fight where she has the dynamo Sonic is still saying how he doesn't want to fight, how he's made peace with others that had started out as his foes, and that after finding out about what Starline did to them he understands why they are the way they are and that only makes him want to help them more. Right before the final blow he says "Starline's gone, freedom is right there waiting for you, just take it!" And while her expression the entire fight has been nothing but rage, she just responds "....I can't" with the most broken, solemn expression she'd shown since her reveal. At this point she's well aware she's going insane (literally being haunted by an imaginary Starline), but the only thing she thinks will fix that is eliminating Sonic. Going by context it *feels* like she wants Sonic to be right, that she can start over with a clean slate and not be fueled by all this negativity any more, but between the lost memories, brainwashing, and modifications she feels she's too far gone for anyone else to help her.
This was even during the Metal Virus saga with Shadow. He said Sonic had an opportunity to end the opposition of Eggman once and for all, but Sonic saw this as an opportunity for Eggman's amnesia to lead the mad scientist down a new path, and thus spared him.
I think what some people are missing out on here is that freedom comes with consequences and responsibility. Using Sonic constantly sparing Eggman as an example, Sonic knows that when he lets him go anything that Eggman does that hurts someone falls back on Sonic for choice to not end him. And following that thought Sonic knows that by letting Eggman live he now has the responsibility to stop him when he cause trouble again.
I say yes and no. Sonic wanting to be free, is what makes him happy, but it's also because of his natural speed. He's always moving, always going somewhere, and its that freedom that makes him happy, what he doesn't understand is that his ideals that make him happy, doesn't make others happy. But then do we or him know the definition of TRUE freedom?
Freedom is the realm of infinite possibilities and a matter or choices. Freedom have tons of hardship and efforts to be made and the consequences that comes with. Other likes to abuse that concept of freedom and believe that it needs control in the world and other use their freedom to stop them where they basically cancel themselves out. In short freedom is the ideals of the individual concept of it.
People tend to forget Sonic's entire character is freedom, irresponsibility and heroism. He doesn't kill his enemies, he grants mercy because it's how he is and he likes the fun of fighting. He'll always choose Freedom because he's Sonic, he's a symbol of freedom,speed and overall carelessness.
@@Ethathoo69420 Not the best? It's the WORST, at least as far as the games go. That was the only time in the games where Eggman double-crossed Sonic during a truce between them. Also, it doesn't matter what "good" Eggman has done; he has only done so for his own gain. He furthermore has never regretted even one of all the evil things he has done; ergo, he is a bad man. "He has done good" hardly excuses mass murder, much less unrepentant mass murder.
I remember seeing a post that was "If you like X, you probably like Y" with X and Y being Sonic and One Piece. And yeah, this is absolutely why. Sonic and Luffy are cut from the same cloth on this regard, valuing freedom and dreams and helping the people they care about rather than wanting to be heroes for some greater good. Keep in mind, Sonic's own theme song in the Adventure Era stated "It doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right."
I agree with Sonic, God gave us the freedom to make our own choices, and even having freedom we can choose to be happy in our freedom. Sonic's choice for freedom gives his enemies a chance for change, if he ends his enemies one and for all is stripping them of their freedom, yes he can choose to do that, but he sees that everyone has freedom and doesn't want to steal their right to that freedom. I don't understand why people would hate his answer. Ending our enemies helps us, but it doesn't help our enemies. Sonic's enemies are people just like him, they are just on a different path, they may never change, but he knows he can't take their chance to change. If it's irresponsible to give our enemies the freedom to choose better, I'd hate to know what people call responsible.
It's irresponsible when they've SPURNED the chance dozens if not hundreds of times to the point where you can expect them to always do so! By then, if you take it upon yourself to stop them but let them off easy, you will be partially responsible for any harm they inflict. It's a foolish thing to do; and let me remind you, seeing as you believe in God, that foolishness IS A SIN!
@@videogollumer You don't know what path people go down. Yes, villains can get ever so predictable, but any good day could lead someone to redemption, to healing just as much as they've harmed. I'd argue that it's quite mature to understand that you don't have power to just decide someone else's destiny. And you know what? Trying to force your ideas on someone else by not giving them a chance does a wrong to them. You're sacrificing their possible redemption so you can get off easy, never having to worry about dealing with them again. You're sacrificing them for yourself, from an ethical perspective. THAT is a sin. To compare, letting them go may not be utilitarian, but you've sacrificed your wants for them. For their morality and betterment. You hold a hand in their bad actions, yes, but also their possible good ones. The greatest show of goodness is to let your wants go.
I'm on Sonic's side insofar as having everyone being able to live as they please, but Surge and several others are correct that letting the most dangerous villains like Eggman walk only gets everyone else caught up in a conflict they didn't sign up for. This was actually brought up in the Archie incarnation as well. Multiple characters, including the Doctor himself stated that the Freedom Fighters should have killed him after he temporarily lost his mind. But it is an interesting quandry.
Benjamin Franklin has a similar quote to Adam Smith's: Pardoning the bad is injuring the good". Interestingly enough, they both died in the same year, 1790.
It's more complicated than just 'right or wrong'. But if your going to stand by somthing like that, then you have to be able to deal with the consequences.
@@Majin135 Yeah, well, Kit and Surge actually HAVE potential to be better people; Eggman and Metal Sonic DON'T. Sonic should have known that; he's known the two of them longer than he has any of his friends.
Sonic is not wrong. Sonic isn't one to take away someone's choice ir be vengeful. He lives in the moment and always believes that there is good in everybody. Choices are what make us who we are, and Sonic wants everybody to have the freedom choose for themselves.
Sonic has always been about being free no matter what. He doesn't always choose what's right. He's reckless, hotheaded, and arrogant and his flaws are shown time and again, but they line up with his views as well. As others have pointed out this is security vs. freedom and Sonic has consistently always chosen freedom.
i think he's right for the sole reason he himself says that because he seeks to live in freedom and adventures, he shouldn't take that chance away from others. It's about the "if you think what you say is right, then live by it"
This why I liked Archie Pre Genesis Sonic, even though he had the same philosophy it was to a point because sometimes he knew he had to do what needed to be done
"Every world has its end. I know that's kinda sad, but that's why we gotta live life to the fullest in the time we have. At least, that's what I figure." - Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic shouldn’t kill, he should let everyone have a chance at freedom . I mean remember how he gave THE END a second chance, or how he spared the biolizard.😂 Plus his second chances never ever backfired at all, just ask Eggman, or metal sonic, or the deadly six, or surge. Hell,surge was so grateful she got spared, she beat up, humiliated, and nearly killed Whisper.
The end and the biolizard couldn't be dealt any other way those were literally engine of destruction you can't even tell if the biolizard was conscious or just soulless and programmed And despite sparing his foes backfired a lot of time you have to take into account the time it did help him Without the help of Eggman the world might ended up destroyed several times Silver and Shadow were also enemies and they ended saving the world as well
Sonic said it in the same comic, they are free to use that opportunity to do evil, and he is just as free to use his power to stop them. He will not restrict their choices, nor will he ignore the consequences of those choices; his or theirs.
Yes he is. The idealism of “kill or be killed” is stupid, and it’d be better as “save and be saved.” Killing won’t fix what someone’s done, only through their actions, can they truly redeem themselves, and those actions of redemption can only be possible through mercy.
Do I agree with Sonic? Yes, and no Yes, Everyone deserves freedom and to make their own choices, but we must remember that there are consequences to certain choices that are being made. So no, I ain't giving my enemies freedom if it means hurting and threatening others.
I mean, that's the thing though, choosing 'freedom' always isn't going to be the 'best' thing. He's not choosing the 'easy' way out, he knows how it can bring hardships just as much as it can bring good. that's literally what 'freedom' is though, letting others choose for themselves, instead of others forcing or choosing for them, maybe it was better for someone else to choose, but in the end, they were still given 'freedom' That's Sonic, it's also why his character can be 'irresponsible', he hates being shackled
I have to call out IDW Sonic here, and SPECIFICALLY IDW Sonic, because it’s not that his mercy causes problems, it’s that IDW Sonic advocates for what I’m going to call ‘Reckless Freedom’, which is basically anarchy. Look at any other Sonic and they’ll have VERY different approaches to Surge, but most of them will approach her with compassion and understanding. They’d fight her but understand that she needs help and someone needs to reach out to her no matter what to help her. Heck, I would argue even Boom Sonic would try. But IDW Sonic does not. He advocates for a Freedom which absolves him of responsibility. A reckless freedom that leads to him ignoring the emotions and problems of others. For those who have read the IDW comics, did Sonic ever ONCE reflect on his role in Surge’s situation? I know most will respond with he’s not responsible for her, and I would retort with not directly, but he IS the object of her worth, and it falls to him to amend that, and break that conditioning if he truly wants to give her freedom. Otherwise, he’s not offering mercy. He’s neglecting her, and when that happens, now anything she does is on him for not making the effort. Most Sonics would not be wrong, but IDW Sonic is absolutely in the wrong, and he’s a bigger menace than Scourge.
Still, after the metal virus, im surprised they even entertained the idea of letting Eggman go on living. The virus may be gone, but the trauma remains. And Eggman was one careless step away from ending all life just because he could do something he shouldn't have.
No one is ever guaranteed happiness. Likewise, no one is ever guaranteed freedom. Both sides, taken to the extreme, result in anarchy, violence, selfishness and abuse. Neither party is correct. The only right any individual truly has is to be free to make decisions.
I think that if a person has the right to make decisions that essentially means that freedom is more important. Not everyone is guaranteed freedom to make decisions like you said, but I think that means freedom is important because it can lead to happiness
Anarchy is actually the only path to liberation. Read anarchist literature! It'll surprise you, and might just open your mind to horizons you've never even dreamed of.
TL;DR - Sonic's philosophy is a good one to follow, you just gotta think like Surge and make some exceptions sometimes. I find this situation interesting so heres my take on things(also its 11:30pm for me so forgive me if somethings arent making the most sense). Sonic's whole thing is that everyone deserves the right to be free, they should be able to do whatever they want. If they do good, cool. If they make a mistake, its their mistake to make and if they go on the dark path, he'd rough them up but not kill, as he wants his enemies to have the choice to either keep being a bad guy or do some good. Of course, if theres an entity thats PURE EVIL and completely irredeemable (Think Dark Gaia, Chaos or THE END), he'll do his best to put them down. Surge's point of view is equally valid though. Her whole is that if Sonic has a guy who's threatening his friends and is trying to kill him on multiple occasions, why let them live? Even if you want to give someone the freedom of their own decisions, its obvious some people just cant change and in her eyes have to be put down, which is fair. For reference, the arc RIGHT BEFORE THIS, Eggman lost his memory of being evil and became "The Tinkerer", a jolly inventor persona who help the townsfolk with his inventions. Shadow wants to end him on the spot but Sonic is against it and through the power of Talk no Justu, Shadow doesnt murk The Tinkerer. A couple days later, Tinkerer geta his evil back from Metal Sonic and proceeds to dump Liquid Roboticizer on the entire town that took him in, Zombifying every living thing. If Sonic let Shadow kill Eggman, on the spot, no one would have to go through the amount of surfering in that arc but Goody Toes Shoes disnt want to take the war criminal's rights that one time and end him. But theres alot of cases where it wouldn't work: Shadow, Knuckles, Omega, all characters where if Sonic jumped to conclusions and ended their lives frame one without giving any of them a chance, they most likely would've been killed before switching sides. So his philosophy isnt that bad, it just shouldn't apply to war criminals like EGGMAN. But idk, thats just me talking about the moral compass a blue hedhehog who runs fast throwing hands with an industrialist. I dont think manybwill read this anyway.
Sonic while always being about freedom, instead of getting rid of them or just stopping them, he changes them for the better so that they never have to be stopped again
He kept his villains under his thumb but let them be free enough to leave innocents in fear. In the end, that left Sonic as the only free mortal on his planet. He may not have been trying to, but he was ruling from the shadows.
If Sonic just started killing his enemies… if he were to use his immense powers to be judge, jury, and executioner… what would stop him from being just as bad as those he would have killed. This is the same thoughts I have for why guys like Spider-Man or Daredevil shouldn’t kill… the power over life and death is a huge responsibility, but what right does any man have… even heroes… to life and death outside of the context of a war? What would stop Sonic from falling down a rabbit hole and becoming the very tyrant he fights against? I agree with Sonic, freedom is a risk and people will use it wrong… so they need to be stopped but if one were to place security over freedom, what would stop them from evolving into Injustice Superman? The last thing Sonic’s world would need is Injustice Sonic:
I believe that Sonic's logic is of pure intent, and I respect him for it, but at some point, that logic becomes irrelevant in some cases. Robotnik in Archie and IDW (especially during Metal Virus Arc) are absolutely irredeemable, and both have caused much death and destruction (Archie Robotnik wors by a much larger margin). Robotnik in both these cases, will likely continue to one up each horrific act as part of his battle against Sonic, which will lead to even more catastrophic results. In a story where the full reality of Robotnik's actions are taken into account, Sonic will at some point, be forced to get his hands dirty. Most likely through grief, anger, and guilt.
Especially if Eggman hurts Amy, the one Sonic cares about most. Despite any denial, it’s quite clear that Sonic secretly cares about Amy even more than Tails, and that’s saying a great deal. Totally agree. Applies not just to Sonic’s world but ours as well. John MacArthur has a sobering message regarding those who are too late for God’s grace and mercy. I spread the freedom of God’s message to give people a second chance, and may the blessings of God befall all true converts; but at the same time I also acknowledge that some people are just undeniably irredeemable (i.e. Joe Biden & Gavin Newsom) and too late for second chances. It’s not that we don’t offer them forgiveness, it’s that they can never receive it because they’ve never truly repented. In fact, just like Eggman (aka Robotnik) they just keep getting worse and even more self-justified in their evil deeds. They think they’ll get away with it, but they’re just storing up more righteous wrath for themselves, and God will reward them according to the evil of their deeds. And Sonic will soon do the same thing to Eggman if he takes it too far.
@@videogollumer Well yeah, he does care a lot about Tails too (as proven by Sonic Prime). Maybe he does care equally about him, but then again there’s also a distinction in that Tails is like a little brother figure to Sonic, whereas Amy is more like his secret love interest. But yeah, I would agree that if both Tails and Amy were in harm’s way at the same time, that would be much worse!
@@kingmario5518 We saw it happen in Issue 40, btw. Eggman was about to engulf Tails and Amy in flame with the Red Egg Viper. The look in Sonic's eye? That was real fear we saw in it. He though quickly but sharply and tricked the Blue Egg Viper into putting the fire out while he dived in to get Tails and Amy to the floor so that they wouldn't get scalded. That's the Sonic I know and love, not the "holier than though because I don't kill" type of guy who won't even put Eggman in jail when he almost INTENTIONALLY destroyed the world just to prove he's a genius. Forgiveness is a good thing; but forgiveness alone only benefits the forgiver, because they don't hold a grudge. For a person to truly be forgiven, they must repent; and Eggman has never repented of a single evil thing he's done.
@@videogollumer Another interesting thing. When Eggman was still Mr. Tinker, he didn’t remember anything about his past life and mentality. During that time, he lived as if he was a kindly old man. And he only lost his memory because of what happened to him in Sonic Forces. Even as his ignorant, happy-go-lucky and short-lived alter ego, he wasn’t apologetic for his past life because he didn’t even remember the great evils he had done, up until Metal Sonic reunited with him. And even after he did remember, he still wasn’t sorry. And even worse yet, after being back to his old self, he still remembered quite well that he was previously Mr. Tinker and was friends with the people of Windmill Village, yet did nothing whatsoever to make amends for all his previous evils (which is the very least that he could have done) and was even willing to sacrifice those friends for the sake of controlling the entire world. It just goes even further to show that Eggman hasn’t changed one bit.
Why do people find that answer wrong? It's a very "Sonic" answer. He never lets anything hold him down or force anyone to live anyway, and any being that has tried to stop and restrict anyone's freedom Sonic has fought. It may not be responsible or completely morally just, but it perfectly captures his character. Shadow seems to fit the other, given his promise to Maria, intended or not.
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed. -Solaris -Evil King Arthur -The Biolizard -The Time Enitity from Generations -The End from Frontiers
One of those is an illusion, two are crazy animals given unimaginable power, and the others are beings like GOLB from Adventure Time, essentially intelligent, but lacking any concept of morality or consequence.
@@SuperboyLillyMost of those Sonic didn't really have a choice, its not that he wont kill, he just is very much against it and will do anything to not do it, but when he has to, he has too, most of those were literally 5 minutes from wiping out the earth, and most of those were beings that didnt have awareness, they werent exactly like conscious things
@@SillyTron_ Solaris, King Arthur, and The End all have sentience. -Mephiles is Solaris' mouth and conscience. -No need to speak of Arthur. -The End has dialog in both English and Japanese dubs.
The free spirited hedgehog wanting people to be free WHEN HE *KNOWS* THE ACTIONS HE'S TAKING WILL ONLY MAKE THEM *DEAD OR OTHERWISE SCREWED* makes *zero* sense.
Personally I agree with choosing freedom agree with Sonic file for see where sun is coming from I rather spell people than actually kill them even if they're evil
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed. -Solaris -Evil King Arthur -The Biolizard -The Time Enitity from Generations -The End from Frontiers
@@SuperboyLilly First off, evil King Arthur was more like a spell that the true villain of the game lost control over. Second one, most of all those other antagonists or is antagonists or big villains worth mindless monsters.
Surge could have a point about showing mercy to enemies that could cause more harm later. A certain Iron Lord once said: “Mercy to an enemy, must not come at the cost of their victims”.
Surge doesn't want to just end villains, she wants to end heroes, but in commiting to that, she herself becomes a villain, and there will be heroes made to stop her. So even if you want the cycle to end, all you're doing is continuing the cycle, by trying to end it...the best she could do NOW is do nothing, but we know she's too stubborn to do that...and she can't stop...whatever is in her won't let her, not until she gets what she wants...or die trying.
As to answer the question, for some people, Freedom Is Happiness, or brings happiness, I think that's what Sonic is getting at: That You find Happiness if you allow yourself to be free. But if it's Evil that brings you happiness, Then Sonic will use his own Freedom to kick your ass.
"I don't kill" says the mf who has left Eggman for dead nearly everytime he's fought him, killed every single God he fought except for Perfect Chaos and destroyed all those Aliens in Shadow the Hedgehog, not to mention all the maybe sentient Badniks and robots he has no problem curbstomping
What do you mean, Sonic has saved Eggman from death countless times as well, sure Sonic has also left Eggman for dead as well but that's due to the fact, that many different writers have written their stories different ways, it's not going to fit perfectly, kinda wish Sega would made everything in their own canon and let fans make the backbone, on how everything is connected instead.
@@Skeleton20133Sonic Adventure: He sees Perfect Chaos blast Egg Carrier 2 and says "I've had enough" Sonic Adventure 2, Heroes, Shadow and Frontiers: he just lets Eggman hang around after the day is saved. Sonic Lost World: he is visibly distraught when he thinks Eggman fell into lava "Eggman..." And if we count Sonic X as a close to canon version of characters: When he turned into Dark Super Sonic, Eggman telling him he shouldn't loose his cool calmed him down, stopping him from killing the Metarex. Sonic X also shows us Eggman doesn't want to kill Tails at the end of season 2, as he would have no one to fight otherwise, a trait consistent with Lost World where he saved Tails from crazed Cubot.
At first sonic's phylosophy might seem right, and i agree that people deserve another chance to change. But theres only so many chances you can give someone before realising they are a lost cause.
Still doesn't mean that it's up to Sonic to take him down; there's other characters that are just as capable and more than willing to do the job, for him. It's the whole argument of, if not Batman, then who should be the one to finish off the Joker? Why does the Gotham justice system not off him through legal means of a trial and death row, instead of slapping him back into Arkham, where they know he'll escape? Why don't WE, as a society, take it up on ourselves to do the thing that we want BATMAN to do to the Joker?
@@jeremyadkins9665 the thing is that there are always possibilities of characters like that existing, like batman has red hood to try and kill the joker. Knowing the sonic franchise a bit, theres a very small probability of a character like that being made tho.
I feel like the difference from the games and the comics is that in the games the villains get away before sonic can do anything and in the comics sonic lets them go willingly despite being a danger for others. I think we should put villains like Eggman into jail (arkham asylum style) and bullies like Rough and Tumble into forced community service or something.
Sonic is wrong. when you choose to be a hero you have to do your best to protect those you care about. Sometimes killing is necessary (Sonic has done this before). Him not wanting to kill isn’t an excuse either because locking up his enemies is also an option (again he's done this before). But in these comics (and some of the games) he chooses not to for no good reason, putting people in danger and killing them in the process.
Expect for the fact Sonic can’t be everywhere and doesn’t try to enforce the law nor does he try to be some bringer of justice. He can’t force people to change and he doesn’t have the right to take life. The only time he kills is demons, evil gods or extinction level threats and Eggman haven’t gone through those line because he doesn’t try to destroy the world as he’s stated before only wanting to rule and bring in control and order. Sonic chose to let Eggman live is because the potential that Mr.Tinker shown and I say with Sonic Frontier and with Sage it’s a possibility that could happen or at least Sage would make sure a Second MV doesn’t happen again.
@justynhill4814 Not true. No one is expecting him to be everywhere, but in the places where he is, he rarely takes the necessary precautions to prevent preventable things from happening. You can't be a hero and not fight for justice because justice is doing what is right in the face of injustice(doing what is wrong). Sonic has fought as a bringer of justice *multiple* times. Whether it's protecting Tails from his bullies, liberating an entire kingdom from a corrupt King, or liberating the entire world from Eggman, Sonic has constantly fought as a bringer of justice. No one is expecting him to force people to change, Just take precautions so that those people won't hurt others. If someone you know is bad is trying to take someone else's life, Sonic has every right to take that person's life. You even admit that Sonic has already done it. Sonic killed King Arthur and Imprisoned Erazor Djinn forever. Sonic had no problem killing King Arthur despite being warned, and not knowing he was a knight of the underworld. Sonic Imprisoned Erazor Djinn forever, even though he wasn't even inherently evil. Eggman has proven himself to be more than an extinction level threat on multiple occasions. Eggman has tried to kill Sonic and his friends countless times (held Amy at gun point), almost blew up the planet, *actually* shattered the planet into pieces, enslaved an entire race of creatures across multiple planets, and almost permanently destroyed all of existence with a time god (twice), and the list goes on. Mr.Tinker doesn't matter because Eggman has been a Multiversal, life-ending threat long before then. Sonic gave Mr.Tinker (Eggman) another chance. Did it work out? No.
@@mr.kingkayyy7401 Sonic did all those things to for justice but because he wanted to do nice and just help people. To me he reminds me more of anime characters like Goku and Luffy. These character have similar personalities and ideas of freedom or doing a action just for their own reasoning and feel like it’s nothing special or any deeper meaning to it. Granted he’s not against prison or anything like that and he hasn’t just let Eggman walk away because of you remember they once left him in a blank dimension in Generation but he somehow managed to escape. It just usually that he gets blown up somewhere and sent across the world somewhere and he just disappears for months and just waits until he makes a new plan. Yes he’s done evil but can actually think of other villains turn heroes that actually wiped out planets or done worse but still managed to change. Even Joker can change when he loses his drive and becomes apart of the system and live a normal life. Sonic isn’t even asking for Eggman to be a hero just live a life that doesn’t require to hurt people and Mr.Tinker was that and even Eggman couldn’t deny it that he liked that life but he’s bent on making the world the way he thinks will make it perfect. It’s called endless possibilities and with what the new frontier dlc shown with Sage their possible is a chance for a change to happen with him.
@justynhill4814 Regardless of why Sonic chooses to do nice things and help people, the point is that Sonic constantly fights as a bringer of justice, so to say he doesn't wouldn't be accurate to his character. To be fair yeah, Eggman *might* be able to escape prison like how he escaped White Space, but not only did he have help from himself, but we don't even know what he had on him to do so. Eggman doesn't always get launched away though. sometimes Sonic and friends just watch him fly away in his Egg Mobile or whatever and let him go. Those other villains don't really matter though, because Sonic has already killed and imprisoned people who are *Way* lesser threats than Eggman, meanwhile Eggman gets off scott free most of the time, free to endanger the world and kill more people again. Eggman having a soft boiled, sunny side won't change much though. Eggman has shown to care more about the creations he's proud of like Metal Sonic, Sage, and Belle but those are his creations. He had his chances at Redemption and chose not to take it more than once.
@@mr.kingkayyy7401- sometimes it takes more than once or even a million chances. Times are changing and the world isn’t defenseless to Eggman as it was years ago. And i rather take the chance with Sage to help ease up to show him the possibilities of changing. Although we have to worry about if a situation that happened with his grandfather would happen if anything happened to Sage. People die weather it’s from Eggman or some thug on the street or natural causes or natural disasters. Sonic isn’t going to shackle himself to the needs of the world when they demand it and he knows things wouldn’t change if he keeps solving people problems because they have to grow themselves he only their to give it a push. I do want to point out and blame Dr.Starline for prematurely bringing Eggman back. Yes I’ve heard it before it was Metal Sonic but Starline was the main factor in how they reunited again and he was someone nobody predicted in existing. It was said that Eggman would have eventually returned on his own but during that time would he have appreciated his life more as Mr.Tinker.
This is something I commonly think about (I’m a big Batman fan). When do the casualties become too much? When does someone become irredeemable? How do you become judge, jury, and executioner without you yourself becoming blindsided to your own personal biases? The concept of death to your enemies has a spectrum of answers. For Bruce, he refuses to kill lest he fall off the deep end and become the one thing he swore to fight. For Dick Grayson, killing is survival and the reassurance that they can’t hurt anyone ever again. For Jason, killing is a tool to better the world, because you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped. Tim is… nearly apathetic about it. Death is a necessity for life, but he’s willing to save as many as he can, even if it means the casualities of an enemy. How do you quantify a life for the safety of others? How do you quantify the *possibility* of change for the better to the *possibility of change for the worst?
Batman primarily doesn't kill for fear of losing his sanity. His secondary concern is for the sake of any loved ones the criminals he fights have or may have, lest they seek vengeance upon him. A killer did it to him; he doesn't want to be the cause of that feeling to someone else. Reformation is all but tertiary. Batman knows there are those who are beyond hope: Joker, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush, Victor Zsasz, Professor Pyg, etc.
I wonder what the creators of sonic wouldve thought knowing that some day there'd be comics discussing his personal philosophy about whether it's right to become the judge, jury and executioner of his enemies.
A lot of people seem to side with Sonic on this one. As much as I like Sonic and can understand his point of view I have to disagree. Once someone crosses a line of mass murder, destruction of communities, cities, continents or just mass destruction in general, still giving that person an option to be good and turn around when they clearly don’t want to seems foolish. Just like Sonic said, we have the freedom to make our own choices. Unfortunately, those choices can have consequences. You rob a bank and go to jail. But you decided afterwards that you were wrong to do that and want to be good. But you’re still in jail. Why is that though? Because your actions have consequences. Allowing villains to continuously cause harm and pain to others when you can stop them permanently but don’t because you want them to choose good is what will only end up backfiring in the long run. At least for most cases. But that’s just my opinion.
That's very black and white thinking. Tell me, how many villains has prison created? Sending people to prison statistically makes them more likely to commit crimes once they get back out, precisely because prison destroys opportunity. If criminals are made to reap their consequences, then surely, we as a society must reap ours for choosing to perpetuate cruel systems, that serve mostly to glean a perverse glee in punishment, creating worse people and locking them in a cycle of crime in the process.
Both sonic and Eggman proved themselves to be wrong by pursuing Surge and Kitt in order to attempt an alliance with them before the other. Kitt said it best by stating that neither side truly cared about the duo and both sides only care about what Surge and Kitt can do.
Sonic doesn’t have to end(kill) his enemies. He could put them in a special jail made for them so they never get out! I think sonic is irresponsible. He is not thinking of the well-being of the people of his world or his friends. Sonic is just an adrenaline junkie risking everything just for thrills! If he truly cared he wouldn’t be so selfish!
Literally Sonic has left Eggman in a blank void space in Generations so no nothing hold Eggman back for long. He even left him stranded in space and he found his way back. Also every time sonic beats Eggman he usually blows up and get sent halfway across the globe somewhere. Sonic is responsible and irresponsible at the same time like this fight with Surge. Instead of thinking she’s some new evil he’s learn from experience that the first fight is usually from a misunderstanding and try to get to know Surge. While it didn’t help calm Surge rage he still kept having fun which made her more and more mad.
"they find Sonic to be irresponsible"
When was Sonic ever depicted as responsible in the first place?
Responsible in his own ways, responsible to his actions.
@@Leekodot15yeah, that's the thing, HE IS RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT COMES SAVING THE DAY, he doesn't care about killing mainly because he'll just pummel the villain back to the ground, and his ideals are morally better then the whole "kill or be killed" thing, he's a hero, nearly every hero spares most of their villains lives.
Sonic says, where he tells you not to do stuff, that’s about it
Remember when Sonic killed his enemies?
@@LittleSansLittletale..... like only 2
Pepole kinda forget that Sonic is not really your typical hero. He doesn't just go around saving people bc he needs to, he does it because he wants to, but is also a teenager that likes to live freely
Beh, beh, beh! How many heroes DON'T want to save people?!
@@videogollumerMany heroes do it because they feel an obligation to do it.
@@ShanoaLo Yeah many don't want to save the lives of people they dislike; but if they feel obligated to save innocent lives, then they WANT to.
@@videogollumerThat’s like saying if you’re obligated to do school, then you want to go to school. There could be an incident where the hero just had it and quits. Metro Man from Megamind is a great example of that for he has his own personal goals
@@themasterfailure4748 I said if they FEEL obligated! I haven't really seen Megamind beyond "Ow! My giant blue head!", but Metro Man OBVIOUSLY didn't FEEL obligated anymore if he quit.
"Just because someone else did the wrong thing, doesn't mean I didn't do the right one."
-Sonic The Hedgehog
“Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.” -Optimus Prime
This reminds me of Sonic's philosophy to Merlina. He doesn't mind there being an end, even if it makes him the bad guy to others. But he'll always fight for the next day to come, enjoying his life to the fullest.
Fr. I'm seriously tired of people always wanting to force down the "kill your enemies" onto every heroic character without even analysing if it makes sense for them or not.
It does when he deliberately allowed them to.
@@lelandholmquist2467 "Megatron must be stopped no matter the cost" -Optimus Prime
Sonic is the embodiment of live and let live, so his willingness to spare villains seems in character.
You might say his philosophy is to...live and learn, hanging on the edge of tomorrow?
I never would’ve believed that one day we’d be considering Batman’s dilemma to Sonic.
Suddenly the Sonic CD Easter Egg screen makes sense now.
True but now we are
It’s worth mentioning that just like in Batman it’s not sonic’s responsibility to be judge jury, and executioner. It’s the legal system which just like in Gotham city is a really feeling like a total failure un-capable of containing criminals long-term do the bad guys just have really good lawyers keep getting released on parole just to commit more crimes. Do they really have that many escape plans is someone breaking them out repeatedly or is it like a contract where there are entire companies dedicated to breaking super villains out of prisons
It's funny because Roger Craig Smith has also voiced Batman
@@johay899 Yeah, but Batman at least makes sure the villains are delivered to the authorities. Sure, Sonic has never done that before, but after the Metal Virus?! The Metal Virus was essentially as bad as the Anti-Life Equation!!! Anyone with commonsense knows that Eggman should go to prison for life, if not be executed, for that!!!
I agree with Sonics answer of wanting everyone to be free. That’s a right that everyone has in the comic universe. I can understand why people would be upset and agree with Surge that ending his enemies would be the better solution to stopping their evil. However, that’s just not in line with Sonic’s character, throughout the comic we see that Sonic consistently wants to redeem his villains to the good side. I think that makes Sonic more noble because he’s willing to forgive them if they truly want it and even advocate for them like he did with Mr. Tinker even if it makes people angry with him like Espio was. Killing them would be stripping them of their freedom to choose the right path and seeing the error of their ways and I think that’s what Sonic really meant by his answer.
I totally agree!
Nah, I sadly disagree. Eggman during Sonic forces was confirmed to kill a ton of people in both a battle in one of his old mines( Sonic IDW issue 2) as well as when he hired assassins to off small time heroes( whisper and tangle side story last issue). Sonic is being foolish by letting like Eggman live, because it'll only be a matter of time before one of the many villains Sonic spares kills someone that he truly cherishes.
I agree too
@@TUSKSTUDIOartAlso the whole metal virus saga that was caused by this exact ideal.
He speak of how otheres "enemies" were redeemed after speaking with him when in reality none of them were evil to begin with... Shadow was brainwhased, knuckles and silver were tricked and blaze literally just wanted to do her job without anyone helping her.
I also deslike how they let eggman go after this mess, not even send him to prison.
Honestly I'm not opposed to Sonics way of doing things in IDW. My issue is that it feels like they make it that only his perspective and morals matter and no one else. Only Espio brought it up and I felt that it was made to lean more towards Sonic's side but we didn't get to see much of the other. But no one else has brought it up and basically just has this "Sonic is always right" mentality. I'm not saying he should kill his enemies, as his approach to freedom fits his character well, but to just learn or lock up the villians or something. I get that he is meant to be a flat character, but some development in this aspect I think would do some good.
I absolutely love that his mercy and unconditional kindness has been a theme since the first arc about whether it’s a heroic quality or a fatal flaw. It’s even cooler that Sonic’s answer to the question is that it doesn’t matter the important thing is he keeps being himself even if there’s consequences to it
So, this is Sonic being himself? Because this is what he was being all that time: ua-cam.com/video/d4UJyEK2EZc/v-deo.html
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed.
-Solaris
-Evil King Arthur
-The Biolizard
-The Time Enitity from Generations
-The End from Frontiers
@@SuperboyLilly You know, I’m starting to wonder if Sonic just has a thing for killing gods or something because I’m noticing a trend on this list. Also I know Sonic is written in different medias/writing staffs. I really wish Sega would let each one exist as different continuities so people can have less constraints in defining their interpretations of characters.
@@Icepiq72 Oh, the slaying gods thing is a part of Japanese culture; in Japanese media, killing gods is a metaphorical critique of capitalism and societal issues from all throughout their history.
@@SuperboyLilly The End Sonic didn't kill it Sage did, unless you mean the new DLC ending, then I think he did I haven't played it yet.
His theme song, "It Doesn't Matter" (he has multiple theme songs), literally says "It doesn't matter now what happens, cause I will never give up the fight. Long as the voice inside tells me to run and fight, it doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right." While Sonic commonly fights on the side of good, he isn't 100% a hero, nor does he intend to be. He's "just a guy who loves adventure", which commonly means that he fights bad guys to keep people free. If a bad guy came in and did nothing but destroy the government without taking out innocent civilians and without trying to rule the world, Sonic would likely aid them. Freedom is a chaotic and not-always-good force. Just as "Dark" doesn't always mean "evil", "Sonic" doesn't always equate to "good".
like in Black Knight, he straight up says he can't be the hero every time. he doesn't mind playing the bad guy every once in a while. Sonic fights for what _he_ thinks is right
We don't know what Sonic's opinion on government is. He's likely not an anarchist but someone who doesn't think about government because it bores him.
@@sopapopp and that's honestly the best *kind* of hero imo. He's not perfect, and never pretends to be. He just does what he thinks is best.
@@grawman67He likely aligns closer to anarchist beliefs even if he's not politically engaged
While Sonic values freedom above all else, he is a hero on purpose. He is chaotic good, not chaotic neutral.
I think Sonic choosing freedom is very in character for him. I mean, I think that’s what Sonic has always been about as a franchise - the idea of freedom. And yeah, letting his enemies live and have the same freedom to do as they wish still has its consequences - that’s the whole reason Surge & Kit exist, and I think they serve to challenge his morals and highlight that his actions still have negative consequences, despite his positive intentions. I like the writing personally!
Not really in character with him isn’t this the same sonic that killed someone, so his points don’t mak sense
@@Supers_channelI've read this whole comic, pretty sure he doesn't kill anyone
@@maryboyd8126 nope he did for some reason idw is canon to the games? When idw sonic and game sonic act nothing alike, also I’m talking about how idw is canon to the games but idw sonic doesn’t want to kill but he did in the games
@@Supers_channel I'm guessing in the games, they might've changed somethings to make it more impactful, but I don't really know.
@@maryboyd8126 maybe but if you ask me idw is a alternate universe from the games, just because characters from idw were mentioned in frontiers doesn’t mean it’s canon because Ian Flynn wrote frontiers story and he’s the same guy who wrote for idw and made a character cry for 6 panels
But isn’t freedom a form of happiness?
Indeed it can be but give someone too much of it and they are on top on you and the world
Freedom leads to happiness
Freedom is about choices. You chose your own path and sometimes it can lead to a lot of pain but if keep going then you can find the happiness you seek.
Yes but two things mostly blow off the other
I like to think that freedom lead to satisfaction not happiness
@@justynhill4814 The issue is that freedom now simply means doing whatever you want with no consequences, and anyone who gets hurt by your choices simply do not matter.
I actually loves Sonic's stance, because his concept of freedom also includes the idea that villains have the freedom to change and the freedom to do good. It would be selfish to end someone just because they could be a greater threat in the future, if someone has the ability to change why not place hope in that.
I won't lie to you, I don't think Eggman is changing anytime soon. The guy has been doing this for over a few decades now our time, and what, 4 years in Sonic's time at least? (I forgot how old he was in the classics) I just think placing hope in someone to change, when they very clearly have no intention to, and never will, is a bit naive. I'm not saying sonic should just off him, but he should absolutely get life in prison. Or someone else should do the job, idk
@@_Friezayou need to remember that this is an IP with many writers. Because of that egg man gets to be as evil as often as the writer's decide. This is the answer as to why they never change.
The only problem I have with that reasoning is how much victims there'll be until a said villain reforms. Is it fair for the countless innocents to suffer so that one day a single individual can get their happy ending? Doesn't the victims also deserves to be happy? And is there any limit of acceptable victims until the villain turns good? How much? 100? 1000? Is it at the millionth until the hero says stop, enough, you had your chance?
I mean, look at the metal virus, are we to believe there wasn't at least a few deaths from people who tried to flee from the infected and had accidents such as crashing their cars by going off the road, leaping out of a window in panic, or by being crushed by collapsing buildings or any rubble because of the chaos?
It's the philosophy of Christian God which is actually really funny that people are demonizing him for a thing that certain people praise and see the other as a great good guy.
Btw, having the freedom of being good or bad doesn't mean you won't get punished if you are bad he just wants them to figure it out themselves. Sonic actually does this several times, especially on the final episode of the second season in Sonic X if you know what I mean. Again, he doesn't impose his ideals, he teaches them more passively. Shadow is more opinionated and aggressive about that tho since they are opposites. It's why he wanted to kill all humanity as he saw them as irredeemable while he saw Maria as this angelic full of kindness figure. He also tried to kill Cosmo without letting her explain herself because, again, he sees the world in absolutes without mercy at all.
Sonic never killed Eggman which Shadow actually did at some point. Why should he do it now? These people just want to hate on IDW
Sonic himself, with many of his former enemies, proves that stance true as well. Surge herself eventually, Shadow, Omega, Emeral, etc. Heck, it's funny, cause another Speedster's rogues gallery also proves the point.
The Flash. He's redeemed numerous villains, and the only ones he hasn't are the ones who actively want to challenge Flash anyway. Who will help Flash when needed.
Really the Freedom to Choose argument is more potent than many of these "Heros should kill" people claim. And they often just want blood, not justice.
Although Sonic is irresponsible sometimes, he probably understands that freedom comes with responsibility. He loves his freedom and won't tolerate it when good people have theirs taken away.
That isn't freedom vs happiness.
That is freedom vs security, in which sonic could absolutely kill and remove all the "bad guys" by being a literal God tyrant
god tyrant?
@@LockeLynxsonic is a god didnt yknow?
they never said anything, its implicit
"the knigth of the wind"
blaze, who is a princess is the counterpart form another universe of sonic, she is sonic on that universe... she has conection qith the sol emerals and... its a princess, she has some connection with some wieird magi powers and items (jewel scepter)
sonic should have something similar to her
(tough,in archie comics eggman actually says that sonic is the real god of chaos, but those arent canon so...)
Except Sonic has killed, and he is willing to kill if the situation calls for it. Killing someone who is trying to kill you and others wouldn't make you a "literal God tyrant", that's self-defense and heroism.
@@mr.kingkayyy7401 except erazor, sonic enyojed killing him LOL
@@dymaz6282"First of all, your Jordan's are fake"
That’s just the batman-joker level point that comics always make, the hero is showing mercy so that the villain has a chance to be better, and out of their own good nature. It really isn’t the hero’s responsibility to *kill* the villain either. I agree with sonic
Essentially, yeah. That latter part is shared by SFDebris in regards to why Batman shouldn't kill, or why Superman shouldn't be the one saving everyone. It's not their job to be judge, jury, and executioner, but to protect those who can't protect themselves. Also, it brings up the question of, if not Sonic/Superman/Batman, than whose job IS it it fulfill people's dreams of the villain's absolution? Why does Shadow, or even E-126 Omega let Eggman slide and show him mercy, if they don't have the same moral qualms with killing that Sonic does? Why doesn't G.U.N assassinate Eggman in his sleep, if he's such a big threat? Why are we relying and even BEGGING on Sonic to do the job, when any one of us, with enough conviction and resources, do the job for him?
Finally, it's not Sonic who's responsible for Eggman's atrocities, as his origin has Eggman already doing evil before he met Sonic; if anything, Sonic is the one caught up in all of this, and is just trying to ensure no one gets hurt by his archenemy's antics. And, the fact that Eggman has shown - through his Mr. Tinker persona and other Enemy Mine scenarios where he had to team up with Sonic to deal with a bigger threat (even if he's usually the one who unknowingly releases it) - to be able to do the right and moral thing when push came to shove means that Sonic's philosophy that everyone has a chance to live their lives as they want without hurting others IS valid.
Me too. Sticking to your morals in such situations is hard as hell, so props to the blue boy. I find it perfectly in character for him.
It’s the legal system responsibility not sonic
here's a good example, would you kill baby Hitler to save millions or be irresponsible and let him live free.
@@God-T well in that sense it would be more evil and irresponsible to kill the baby who has done nothing after all you as baby had just as much potential for evil as Hitler actually we all do as joker said "all it takes is one bad day" even the Bible teaches thst no person is "good" we make good choices we "try" but we are all born in a flesh that sins we are all worthy of damnation on our own and besides you don't know what timeline your in Hitler might make good choices in that timeline and be more like God wishes or he could be the same but killing an innocent baby is worse no matter how you look at it
It’s only a problem cus it was brought up in the first place.
Sonic has never once killed Eggman when he’s been dead to rights.
And to be fair, it wasn’t until IDW where Eggman started doing stuff to actually warrant Sonic maybe having to kill him. The Zombot arc is the first time we saw Sonic damn near exhausted fighting Eggman’s schemes before.
Yeah there was that brief cutscene in unleashed but that doesn’t really count
Freedom gives you the ability to make decisions on your own. This includes deciding to do what makes you happy, like going on a run, tinkering with your inventions, or even spending your time alone in a secluded area with just your thoughts.
I like IDW Sonic's characterization because his philosophy is clearly an aspect of the character and not the writers inserting their own opinion like so many other main characters
Sonic says he doesn't kill
So we got Final Hazard Attempted killing Black Doom. Sealed Erazor Djinn for eternity Killed "Illusion" King Arthur Solaris Time Eater... I think IDW Sonic is a liar he definetely has no problem killing his foes. He just chooses not too.
@@LittleSansLittletaleI mostly agree, but Final Hazard he and Shadow were on a deadline, and Shadow would never let him spare that thing.
Solaris and Time Eater (and The End as well) are beings without morality or conscience, and exist to oppose the freedom he believes in to the point where even Eggman fears them.
Erazor and Arthur however, there was no excuse. But screw Erazor in particular
@@kylem7917 But you agree? His whole.. "i don't kill" thing is a lie and flanderization of his character. If it calls for it he has NO problem with killing.
@@LittleSansLittletale No, I feel he's saying he doesn't kill "people" which he really doesn't do. Anyone who is sentient enough to make a choice is worth sparing to him. The only two exceptions were a Djinn (which are as stubborn as gods) and King Arthur (who ended up being Merlina's puppet and he didn't kill her).
Sonic only kills Gods and deities who are impossible to change. He's always been this way. Who is he to kill Surge when she's got more potential for good than Fang or Shadow? He always turns fang in to the authorities, and Shadow did change so It wouldn't be fair to kill her. Eggman has potential shown through Mr. Tinker and his fatherhood of Sage, so Sonic sees a glimmer of hope in him.
At the end of the day, Sonic never kills a man (or animal). Strictly gods, and always will
@@kylem7917 After everything eggman has done from Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Forces I still don't see that as an Excuse of why Sonic doesn't Kill. Even HE has limits.
Killing deals a very serious blow and a bloody scar to one’s soul. It’s not something to take lightly at all. I don’t blame a single hero who decides to avoid that. They still do far more than an average person by constantly thwarting the villains plans.
Besides, Surge and her buddy were delusional AF. I wouldn’t tout what they said for even a grain of salt. They just want to kill Sonic the same way a drug addict wants their next dose, claiming it will bring them all the relief in the world. They would say anything if it threw Sonic off his game long enough for them to hurt him again.
Surge's point of view is coming from someone that got messed up BECAUSE Sonic wouldn't do what is needed. I see the point of view of Sonic but he lives in an idealistic world. Every time he allows Eggman to go free unpunished he allows Eggman to hurt more people.
In a way Surge's existence is a constant reminder that Sonic's choice to allow bad guys to have their freedoms will always cause collateral damage.
@@hazesamas392 Thankfully, Sonic realized it by Issue 55.
Plus it would seem very out of character for him, like the two bad guys are very delusional and if he killed them that would leave a huge scar on his soul which would harm his entire character cause if he were to start killing he'd probably be just like shadow...but I get wanting to break a cycle but there are other ways of doing so
@@brandonboswell3625 Which two are you referring to?
@@videogollumer surge and mistune
Sonic is technically correct. He doesn't end his enemies. He wants them to learn a lesson in choosing to be free. Here's the thing about being happy: Happiness comes and goes all the time. Living a free life and choosing to do what you want can lead to happiness. Not just happiness, but it can lead you to finding peace. I remember someone said this, "I would rather sacrifice the smile on my face than sacrifice my life to bondage."
Sonic was chillin with eren fr
sonic the hedgehog has always wanted to live life without regrets. he wants that for everyone else. hell one of the best songs literally called live life is about having to take bad with the good and just live life. sonics morals has evolved with him he is no longer that sonic from the 90s and we should all know that by now
Any of y’all saying Sonic is wrong let’s be real him not ending some of his enemies helped defeat other deadlier ones and changed some for the better we all know this.
That Logic Doesn't Really Work Considering Most Of The Threats Eggman And Others Helped Stop We're Also Created By Them.
@@adamkean2243 which leads to my theory that this whole entire story is sonic fault from the jump.
when Eggman began working with Sonic or even in the slightest supported him, that lets me know at some point Eggman was a good guy... something that happened in the very beginning and i believe Sonic's free will thinking caused a bad accident which shifted A LOT IN TIME.
@@adamkean2243 And what if Eggman was scheming something while Sonic finishes him off? Imagine that something was already set to launch or operate automatically, and that something could be so dangerous and only Eggman would know how to stop it. Without Eggman, boom, world gone. He's literally the most intelligent being on Earth.
Eliminating the enemies will just eventually turn you into one inadvertently
Yeah...making sonic also Killing all of enemies ruthlessly and automatically just basically out of character he would have a same situation like Adam from hazbin hotel because he Never does this even in games..while I do agree let go of metal Sonic WAS STUPID AS HELL!!! and idiotic trust me I hate that part too the criticiss about that part is completely valid but if he does this EVERYSINGLE time..just makes it out of character too.. unless that villain is one-dimensional plain evil then yeah...you should kill that villain
It's really complicated because both sonic and surge are right in a way..
And as for sonic's character potryal in IDW I agree his character is Abit changes and he became abit too preachy but however...he still have those old traits of his character so his character in IDW isn't fully or entirely inconsistent or out of character in IDW and also he's not exactly too merciful like he wasn't merciful to Eggman,starline or zavok that matter when he was super sonic he just one-shot gigantic zavok without a second thought without any hesitation..and beat him to the ground so..no I don't think he's too merciful IDW sonic isn't stupid if he sees that he needs to put a stop to a villain he will without any hesitation like he did with zavok so I don't think his characterization in IDW is bad infact it's good and kinda fit with his personality too it's not exactly out of character maybe. It perfect but it's still good..but the fact issue 50 has some much complexity behind it makes the story really good ngl
@@user-vt6dd4kz5t well said
Listen here son...
You don't have enemies...
No one does...
No one in this world, deserves to get hurt...
They do if they commit injustice.
Everyone is my enemy. Some are just better at pretending to be friends than others.
There are people in this world who would want to do so many bad things to you… You just don’t come across them that often. Because others protect you from them. Your police, military, etc. They deal with all sorts of f@cked up individuals every day, just so you wouldn’t have to.
Appreciate your safety but don’t be naive. There’s a whole world of hurt out there.
Did bro jist quote the leader penquin from penguins of Madagascar? @@minimalbstolerance8113
It’s almost like him being irresponsible is like his whole identity
I wouldn't say he's irresponsible, but he's definitely arrogant, which has led him to make some careless mistakes. He usually does take responsibility and try to fix it, tho.
Sonic is more responsible than you think, but it’s closer to “I made a mistake, I’ll fix it” kind of deal, because yeah, he’s reckless, hot headed, and sometimes doesn’t listen to his friends and it gets him in trouble, but he does own up to that and tries to make things right, something he never does with Surge at any point.
@@JerardKal
Um, he tried several times to let her know he wanted to help her and even risked his life to save her mid-fight. But between the brainwashing and trauma the only way she can be "helped" is by him ending up dead. And even then, she can't know 100% if that would clear her head or not.
And let's look at Kit. Tails basically had him converted to their side until Kit saw Surge and Sonic fighting and just reflexively snapped back to his programming. These two *can* be reasoned with, it's just going to take a lot more than a Sonic Pep Talk to get through to them both.
@@vigorouslethargy That's funny that you say he said he wanted to help her. I'm PREEEETTY sure he just told her to stop being bad. I reread that issue enough times to know Sonic made the most BARE MINIMUM effort to try and reach Surge and then pretty much gave up. Him reaching for her at the end of their first fight is just a token towards the hero he should be rather than the egotistical idiot he is in IDW.
@@JerardKal
Well my power was out for a couple hours so I just reread both their initial fight and the rematch with the dynamo by lovely candlelight.
In the first fight he tells her repeatedly he doesn't want to fight, that he doesn't know what her deal is but he's willing to talk it out.
"I'm willing to chalk this up as a 'rocky start' and give you a do-over"
"Just like that?"
"Just like that."
"The doctors, too?"
"Even them."
"Reinvent myself? Choose who I want to be?"
"That's the idea."
"See the world...."
"Yeah!"
"That abandoned me?"
At that point she moves the goalposts. She says that if she volunteered for Starline's experiment she obviously wasn't in a good place to start, and if she were kidnapped nobody ever came for her. She essentially says that since she's had her past robbed from her she's going to take everyone's future. Which is just misplaced revenge.
In the second fight where she has the dynamo Sonic is still saying how he doesn't want to fight, how he's made peace with others that had started out as his foes, and that after finding out about what Starline did to them he understands why they are the way they are and that only makes him want to help them more. Right before the final blow he says "Starline's gone, freedom is right there waiting for you, just take it!" And while her expression the entire fight has been nothing but rage, she just responds "....I can't" with the most broken, solemn expression she'd shown since her reveal. At this point she's well aware she's going insane (literally being haunted by an imaginary Starline), but the only thing she thinks will fix that is eliminating Sonic. Going by context it *feels* like she wants Sonic to be right, that she can start over with a clean slate and not be fueled by all this negativity any more, but between the lost memories, brainwashing, and modifications she feels she's too far gone for anyone else to help her.
This was even during the Metal Virus saga with Shadow. He said Sonic had an opportunity to end the opposition of Eggman once and for all, but Sonic saw this as an opportunity for Eggman's amnesia to lead the mad scientist down a new path, and thus spared him.
I love the added complexity for sonic.
I think what some people are missing out on here is that freedom comes with consequences and responsibility. Using Sonic constantly sparing Eggman as an example, Sonic knows that when he lets him go anything that Eggman does that hurts someone falls back on Sonic for choice to not end him. And following that thought Sonic knows that by letting Eggman live he now has the responsibility to stop him when he cause trouble again.
I say yes and no. Sonic wanting to be free, is what makes him happy, but it's also because of his natural speed. He's always moving, always going somewhere, and its that freedom that makes him happy, what he doesn't understand is that his ideals that make him happy, doesn't make others happy.
But then do we or him know the definition of TRUE freedom?
I think freedom can lead to true happiness
So you want to eat the same thing everyday?
Freedom is the realm of infinite possibilities and a matter or choices. Freedom have tons of hardship and efforts to be made and the consequences that comes with. Other likes to abuse that concept of freedom and believe that it needs control in the world and other use their freedom to stop them where they basically cancel themselves out.
In short freedom is the ideals of the individual concept of it.
Imo freedom isnt gonna lead u to true happiness but lead u to fully experience life
People tend to forget Sonic's entire character is freedom, irresponsibility and heroism. He doesn't kill his enemies, he grants mercy because it's how he is and he likes the fun of fighting. He'll always choose Freedom because he's Sonic, he's a symbol of freedom,speed and overall carelessness.
Facts
Sonic actually killing someone would probably go against his morals
He killed the Black Knight with no problem, BEFORE finding out he was an illusion.
@@videogollumer That's an exception
@@DUXLOL He also tossed Erazor Djinn's lamp into lava after sealing him inside.
@@videogollumer He did?
@@DUXLOL He did.
Sonic has the biblical standpoint on free will and I respect him for it
This is why we have Shadow. To off those people while Sonic isn’t looking.
I find ending peoples life morally wrong, unless they killed like thousands or something horrible like that.
Which eggman has done
@@davidmcknight3211 eggman has done good too, like in sonic lost world
@@Ethathoo69420 Oh, you mean when he stabbed Sonic in the back after he defeated the Deadly Six?!
@@videogollumer ok so maybe not the best example but its happend.
@@Ethathoo69420 Not the best? It's the WORST, at least as far as the games go. That was the only time in the games where Eggman double-crossed Sonic during a truce between them.
Also, it doesn't matter what "good" Eggman has done; he has only done so for his own gain. He furthermore has never regretted even one of all the evil things he has done; ergo, he is a bad man. "He has done good" hardly excuses mass murder, much less unrepentant mass murder.
Sonic in Sonic and the black knight was probably my favorite portrayal of Sonics personality
“ it was never about chivalry for me! I gotta do what i gotta do, Thats all. “ - Sonic from Sonic and the black knights
I remember seeing a post that was "If you like X, you probably like Y" with X and Y being Sonic and One Piece. And yeah, this is absolutely why.
Sonic and Luffy are cut from the same cloth on this regard, valuing freedom and dreams and helping the people they care about rather than wanting to be heroes for some greater good. Keep in mind, Sonic's own theme song in the Adventure Era stated "It doesn't matter who is wrong and who is right."
I agree with Sonic, God gave us the freedom to make our own choices, and even having freedom we can choose to be happy in our freedom. Sonic's choice for freedom gives his enemies a chance for change, if he ends his enemies one and for all is stripping them of their freedom, yes he can choose to do that, but he sees that everyone has freedom and doesn't want to steal their right to that freedom. I don't understand why people would hate his answer. Ending our enemies helps us, but it doesn't help our enemies. Sonic's enemies are people just like him, they are just on a different path, they may never change, but he knows he can't take their chance to change. If it's irresponsible to give our enemies the freedom to choose better, I'd hate to know what people call responsible.
Wow, this was a beautiful comment. Thanks for sharing!
Man spitting straight FACTS
Perfect. 10/10
It's irresponsible when they've SPURNED the chance dozens if not hundreds of times to the point where you can expect them to always do so! By then, if you take it upon yourself to stop them but let them off easy, you will be partially responsible for any harm they inflict. It's a foolish thing to do; and let me remind you, seeing as you believe in God, that foolishness IS A SIN!
@@videogollumer You don't know what path people go down. Yes, villains can get ever so predictable, but any good day could lead someone to redemption, to healing just as much as they've harmed. I'd argue that it's quite mature to understand that you don't have power to just decide someone else's destiny.
And you know what? Trying to force your ideas on someone else by not giving them a chance does a wrong to them. You're sacrificing their possible redemption so you can get off easy, never having to worry about dealing with them again. You're sacrificing them for yourself, from an ethical perspective.
THAT is a sin.
To compare, letting them go may not be utilitarian, but you've sacrificed your wants for them. For their morality and betterment. You hold a hand in their bad actions, yes, but also their possible good ones. The greatest show of goodness is to let your wants go.
I'm on Sonic's side insofar as having everyone being able to live as they please, but Surge and several others are correct that letting the most dangerous villains like Eggman walk only gets everyone else caught up in a conflict they didn't sign up for.
This was actually brought up in the Archie incarnation as well. Multiple characters, including the Doctor himself stated that the Freedom Fighters should have killed him after he temporarily lost his mind.
But it is an interesting quandry.
“Compassion for the guilty, is a punishment for the innocent.”
Benjamin Franklin has a similar quote to Adam Smith's: Pardoning the bad is injuring the good".
Interestingly enough, they both died in the same year, 1790.
It's more complicated than just 'right or wrong'.
But if your going to stand by somthing like that,
then you have to be able to deal with the consequences.
Sonic letting Surge go makes sense, some of his best friends tried to kill him when they first met
ONE of them: Knuckles. The others who tried to kill him aren't quite his BEST friends.
@@videogollumer Maybe not best friends, but Shadow, Blaze, and Silver are still his friends.
@@Majin135 Yeah, well, Kit and Surge actually HAVE potential to be better people; Eggman and Metal Sonic DON'T. Sonic should have known that; he's known the two of them longer than he has any of his friends.
Batman: First time kid?
I remember a Sonic Comic where he gave Metal Sonic the choice to be free
"FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT
OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS"
Sonic is not wrong. Sonic isn't one to take away someone's choice ir be vengeful. He lives in the moment and always believes that there is good in everybody.
Choices are what make us who we are, and Sonic wants everybody to have the freedom choose for themselves.
Kinda like all those moments where he literally stops people that chose fucking world domination and genocide dozens of times?
Sonic has always been about being free no matter what. He doesn't always choose what's right. He's reckless, hotheaded, and arrogant and his flaws are shown time and again, but they line up with his views as well. As others have pointed out this is security vs. freedom and Sonic has consistently always chosen freedom.
Sonic has ALWAYS chosen the greater good over Eggman and that stupid tin can doppelganger of his!
Yeah, the villains are free do the things they do, but then again, others are also free to put them six feet the ground.
I feel like sometime we forget that this comic is made for everyone so we can’t have Sonic killing peoples 😂😂😂
i think he's right for the sole reason he himself says that because he seeks to live in freedom and adventures, he shouldn't take that chance away from others. It's about the "if you think what you say is right, then live by it"
“Sonic is irresponsible”
Yeah… I thought we knew that for years.
Not to the point where he's practically helping his enemies menace innocent people!!!
Exactly he’s always done whatever he felt like doing
This why I liked Archie Pre Genesis Sonic, even though he had the same philosophy it was to a point because sometimes he knew he had to do what needed to be done
That’s not freedom over happiness, that’s life over happiness, which is an entirely different dilemma.
"Every world has its end. I know that's kinda sad, but that's why we gotta live life to the fullest in the time we have. At least, that's what I figure." - Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic shouldn’t kill, he should let everyone have a chance at freedom .
I mean remember how he gave THE END a second chance, or how he spared the biolizard.😂
Plus his second chances never ever backfired at all, just ask Eggman, or metal sonic, or the deadly six, or surge.
Hell,surge was so grateful she got spared, she beat up, humiliated, and nearly killed Whisper.
The end and the biolizard couldn't be dealt any other way those were literally engine of destruction you can't even tell if the biolizard was conscious or just soulless and programmed
And despite sparing his foes backfired a lot of time you have to take into account the time it did help him
Without the help of Eggman the world might ended up destroyed several times
Silver and Shadow were also enemies and they ended saving the world as well
I'd rather be free, as there is freedom to be happy, unlike happy that doesn't.
Sonic is just too pure, and I hate the fact that people don’t understand that.
Sonic said it in the same comic, they are free to use that opportunity to do evil, and he is just as free to use his power to stop them. He will not restrict their choices, nor will he ignore the consequences of those choices; his or theirs.
Yes he is. The idealism of “kill or be killed” is stupid, and it’d be better as “save and be saved.” Killing won’t fix what someone’s done, only through their actions, can they truly redeem themselves, and those actions of redemption can only be possible through mercy.
Eggman never changes; he keeps trying to take over the world. He needs to die.
Sonic and Surge casually gave me an existential crisis
I don’t wanna hurt the bad guys, but sometimes you gotta put the bad guy in prison so that they’re not a threat to everybody else
Sonic isn’t against prison but sometimes it’s not enough and it’s best to relocate people safely.
Do I agree with Sonic? Yes, and no
Yes, Everyone deserves freedom and to make their own choices, but we must remember that there are consequences to certain choices that are being made. So no, I ain't giving my enemies freedom if it means hurting and threatening others.
I mean, that's the thing though, choosing 'freedom' always isn't going to be the 'best' thing.
He's not choosing the 'easy' way out, he knows how it can bring hardships just as much as it can bring good.
that's literally what 'freedom' is though, letting others choose for themselves, instead of others forcing or choosing for them, maybe it was better for someone else to choose, but in the end, they were still given 'freedom'
That's Sonic, it's also why his character can be 'irresponsible', he hates being shackled
I have to call out IDW Sonic here, and SPECIFICALLY IDW Sonic, because it’s not that his mercy causes problems, it’s that IDW Sonic advocates for what I’m going to call ‘Reckless Freedom’, which is basically anarchy.
Look at any other Sonic and they’ll have VERY different approaches to Surge, but most of them will approach her with compassion and understanding. They’d fight her but understand that she needs help and someone needs to reach out to her no matter what to help her. Heck, I would argue even Boom Sonic would try.
But IDW Sonic does not. He advocates for a Freedom which absolves him of responsibility. A reckless freedom that leads to him ignoring the emotions and problems of others. For those who have read the IDW comics, did Sonic ever ONCE reflect on his role in Surge’s situation?
I know most will respond with he’s not responsible for her, and I would retort with not directly, but he IS the object of her worth, and it falls to him to amend that, and break that conditioning if he truly wants to give her freedom. Otherwise, he’s not offering mercy. He’s neglecting her, and when that happens, now anything she does is on him for not making the effort.
Most Sonics would not be wrong, but IDW Sonic is absolutely in the wrong, and he’s a bigger menace than Scourge.
Still, after the metal virus, im surprised they even entertained the idea of letting Eggman go on living.
The virus may be gone, but the trauma remains. And Eggman was one careless step away from ending all life just because he could do something he shouldn't have.
Sonic is basically a twist on batman logic
No one is ever guaranteed happiness. Likewise, no one is ever guaranteed freedom. Both sides, taken to the extreme, result in anarchy, violence, selfishness and abuse.
Neither party is correct. The only right any individual truly has is to be free to make decisions.
I think that if a person has the right to make decisions that essentially means that freedom is more important. Not everyone is guaranteed freedom to make decisions like you said, but I think that means freedom is important because it can lead to happiness
wtf. morality is like a black mirror there's no right answer.
Anarchy is actually the only path to liberation. Read anarchist literature! It'll surprise you, and might just open your mind to horizons you've never even dreamed of.
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TL;DR - Sonic's philosophy is a good one to follow, you just gotta think like Surge and make some exceptions sometimes.
I find this situation interesting so heres my take on things(also its 11:30pm for me so forgive me if somethings arent making the most sense).
Sonic's whole thing is that everyone deserves the right to be free, they should be able to do whatever they want. If they do good, cool. If they make a mistake, its their mistake to make and if they go on the dark path, he'd rough them up but not kill, as he wants his enemies to have the choice to either keep being a bad guy or do some good.
Of course, if theres an entity thats PURE EVIL and completely irredeemable (Think Dark Gaia, Chaos or THE END), he'll do his best to put them down.
Surge's point of view is equally valid though. Her whole is that if Sonic has a guy who's threatening his friends and is trying to kill him on multiple occasions, why let them live? Even if you want to give someone the freedom of their own decisions, its obvious some people just cant change and in her eyes have to be put down, which is fair.
For reference, the arc RIGHT BEFORE THIS, Eggman lost his memory of being evil and became "The Tinkerer", a jolly inventor persona who help the townsfolk with his inventions. Shadow wants to end him on the spot but Sonic is against it and through the power of Talk no Justu, Shadow doesnt murk The Tinkerer. A couple days later, Tinkerer geta his evil back from Metal Sonic and proceeds to dump Liquid Roboticizer on the entire town that took him in, Zombifying every living thing.
If Sonic let Shadow kill Eggman, on the spot, no one would have to go through the amount of surfering in that arc but Goody Toes Shoes disnt want to take the war criminal's rights that one time and end him.
But theres alot of cases where it wouldn't work: Shadow, Knuckles, Omega, all characters where if Sonic jumped to conclusions and ended their lives frame one without giving any of them a chance, they most likely would've been killed before switching sides. So his philosophy isnt that bad, it just shouldn't apply to war criminals like EGGMAN.
But idk, thats just me talking about the moral compass a blue hedhehog who runs fast throwing hands with an industrialist. I dont think manybwill read this anyway.
Sonic while always being about freedom, instead of getting rid of them or just stopping them, he changes them for the better so that they never have to be stopped again
For Sonic, Freedom = Happiness. He lives in the moment. Which makes him a hero not a ruler
He kept his villains under his thumb but let them be free enough to leave innocents in fear. In the end, that left Sonic as the only free mortal on his planet. He may not have been trying to, but he was ruling from the shadows.
If Sonic just started killing his enemies… if he were to use his immense powers to be judge, jury, and executioner… what would stop him from being just as bad as those he would have killed. This is the same thoughts I have for why guys like Spider-Man or Daredevil shouldn’t kill… the power over life and death is a huge responsibility, but what right does any man have… even heroes… to life and death outside of the context of a war? What would stop Sonic from falling down a rabbit hole and becoming the very tyrant he fights against? I agree with Sonic, freedom is a risk and people will use it wrong… so they need to be stopped but if one were to place security over freedom, what would stop them from evolving into Injustice Superman? The last thing Sonic’s world would need is Injustice Sonic:
I believe that Sonic's logic is of pure intent, and I respect him for it, but at some point, that logic becomes irrelevant in some cases. Robotnik in Archie and IDW (especially during Metal Virus Arc) are absolutely irredeemable, and both have caused much death and destruction (Archie Robotnik wors by a much larger margin).
Robotnik in both these cases, will likely continue to one up each horrific act as part of his battle against Sonic, which will lead to even more catastrophic results.
In a story where the full reality of Robotnik's actions are taken into account, Sonic will at some point, be forced to get his hands dirty. Most likely through grief, anger, and guilt.
Especially if Eggman hurts Amy, the one Sonic cares about most. Despite any denial, it’s quite clear that Sonic secretly cares about Amy even more than Tails, and that’s saying a great deal.
Totally agree. Applies not just to Sonic’s world but ours as well. John MacArthur has a sobering message regarding those who are too late for God’s grace and mercy. I spread the freedom of God’s message to give people a second chance, and may the blessings of God befall all true converts; but at the same time I also acknowledge that some people are just undeniably irredeemable (i.e. Joe Biden & Gavin Newsom) and too late for second chances. It’s not that we don’t offer them forgiveness, it’s that they can never receive it because they’ve never truly repented. In fact, just like Eggman (aka Robotnik) they just keep getting worse and even more self-justified in their evil deeds. They think they’ll get away with it, but they’re just storing up more righteous wrath for themselves, and God will reward them according to the evil of their deeds.
And Sonic will soon do the same thing to Eggman if he takes it too far.
@@kingmario5518 Yeah no, he cares about Tails equally, if not more. Besides, forget one or the other; try both!
@@videogollumer Well yeah, he does care a lot about Tails too (as proven by Sonic Prime). Maybe he does care equally about him, but then again there’s also a distinction in that Tails is like a little brother figure to Sonic, whereas Amy is more like his secret love interest.
But yeah, I would agree that if both Tails and Amy were in harm’s way at the same time, that would be much worse!
@@kingmario5518 We saw it happen in Issue 40, btw. Eggman was about to engulf Tails and Amy in flame with the Red Egg Viper. The look in Sonic's eye? That was real fear we saw in it. He though quickly but sharply and tricked the Blue Egg Viper into putting the fire out while he dived in to get Tails and Amy to the floor so that they wouldn't get scalded.
That's the Sonic I know and love, not the "holier than though because I don't kill" type of guy who won't even put Eggman in jail when he almost INTENTIONALLY destroyed the world just to prove he's a genius. Forgiveness is a good thing; but forgiveness alone only benefits the forgiver, because they don't hold a grudge. For a person to truly be forgiven, they must repent; and Eggman has never repented of a single evil thing he's done.
@@videogollumer Another interesting thing. When Eggman was still Mr. Tinker, he didn’t remember anything about his past life and mentality. During that time, he lived as if he was a kindly old man. And he only lost his memory because of what happened to him in Sonic Forces. Even as his ignorant, happy-go-lucky and short-lived alter ego, he wasn’t apologetic for his past life because he didn’t even remember the great evils he had done, up until Metal Sonic reunited with him. And even after he did remember, he still wasn’t sorry. And even worse yet, after being back to his old self, he still remembered quite well that he was previously Mr. Tinker and was friends with the people of Windmill Village, yet did nothing whatsoever to make amends for all his previous evils (which is the very least that he could have done) and was even willing to sacrifice those friends for the sake of controlling the entire world. It just goes even further to show that Eggman hasn’t changed one bit.
“B7ut if you give in to your anger, you'll be no different than what they are"
-Android 8
Sonic out here trying to have the Luffy philosophy while being a hero. Hot damn
I agree with Sonic. While you can imprison the enemy for their wrong doings, killing them is never the right answer
except for starline, he can go to hell
Unless they're a murderer...
@@jennypagan6120 that would still be up to a judge or jury to decide
@@burnsteel2nd and why would a judge or jury let the murder free?
@@jennypagan6120 why did the judge and jury let Remus (a man who literally admitted to murdering his own wife) go
If Sonic started *ending* his enemies like certain fans want, then he wouldn't be Sonic... He would be SHADOW.
if a villain has the freedom to do bad things then someone has the freedom to stop those bad things from happening
What sonic actually meant: “If there no villains, there’s no Sonic franchise. I’m doing everyone a favor”
Yeah... sure... 😒
@@videogollumer Watchumeanbydat?🫵🤨
@@AdacherTrueSelf If you're gonna use crude spelling, at least keep the words separate.
@@videogollumer Pal, when you see people typing like that, means they aren’t taking comments seriously.
@@AdacherTrueSelf Well, I didn't find it funny; justification of mass murder isn't a laughing matter.
Why do people find that answer wrong? It's a very "Sonic" answer. He never lets anything hold him down or force anyone to live anyway, and any being that has tried to stop and restrict anyone's freedom Sonic has fought.
It may not be responsible or completely morally just, but it perfectly captures his character. Shadow seems to fit the other, given his promise to Maria, intended or not.
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed.
-Solaris
-Evil King Arthur
-The Biolizard
-The Time Enitity from Generations
-The End from Frontiers
One of those is an illusion, two are crazy animals given unimaginable power, and the others are beings like GOLB from Adventure Time, essentially intelligent, but lacking any concept of morality or consequence.
@@SuperboyLillyMost of those Sonic didn't really have a choice, its not that he wont kill, he just is very much against it and will do anything to not do it, but when he has to, he has too, most of those were literally 5 minutes from wiping out the earth, and most of those were beings that didnt have awareness, they werent exactly like conscious things
@@SillyTron_ Solaris, King Arthur, and The End all have sentience.
-Mephiles is Solaris' mouth and conscience.
-No need to speak of Arthur.
-The End has dialog in both English and Japanese dubs.
Sonic shows freedom because he wants us to be entertained by his enemies
The free spirited hedgehog wanting people to be free makes complete sense
The free spirited hedgehog wanting people to be free WHEN HE *KNOWS* THE ACTIONS HE'S TAKING WILL ONLY MAKE THEM *DEAD OR OTHERWISE SCREWED* makes *zero* sense.
Personally I agree with choosing freedom agree with Sonic file for see where sun is coming from I rather spell people than actually kill them even if they're evil
Uh, if you played the games, you'd know that Sonic has indeed killed.
-Solaris
-Evil King Arthur
-The Biolizard
-The Time Enitity from Generations
-The End from Frontiers
@@SuperboyLilly First off, evil King Arthur was more like a spell that the true villain of the game lost control over.
Second one, most of all those other antagonists or is antagonists or big villains worth mindless monsters.
@@technokingshadow6323 Solaris and End were sentient beings.
Surge could have a point about showing mercy to enemies that could cause more harm later. A certain Iron Lord once said: “Mercy to an enemy, must not come at the cost of their victims”.
Jesus IDW has been a role these days. First Godzilla, now Sonic the hedgehog
Everyone needs a nemesis, but if they cross a line that too deep then you gotta find a new nemesis
Surge doesn't want to just end villains, she wants to end heroes, but in commiting to that, she herself becomes a villain, and there will be heroes made to stop her. So even if you want the cycle to end, all you're doing is continuing the cycle, by trying to end it...the best she could do NOW is do nothing, but we know she's too stubborn to do that...and she can't stop...whatever is in her won't let her, not until she gets what she wants...or die trying.
Wouldn't she have to just kill everybody then to achieve this goal?
As to answer the question, for some people, Freedom Is Happiness, or brings happiness, I think that's what Sonic is getting at: That You find Happiness if you allow yourself to be free. But if it's Evil that brings you happiness, Then Sonic will use his own Freedom to kick your ass.
"I don't kill" says the mf who has left Eggman for dead nearly everytime he's fought him, killed every single God he fought except for Perfect Chaos and destroyed all those Aliens in Shadow the Hedgehog, not to mention all the maybe sentient Badniks and robots he has no problem curbstomping
What do you mean, Sonic has saved Eggman from death countless times as well, sure Sonic has also left Eggman for dead as well but that's due to the fact, that many different writers have written their stories different ways, it's not going to fit perfectly, kinda wish Sega would made everything in their own canon and let fans make the backbone, on how everything is connected instead.
@@lycandoodleSonic has never saved Eggman. He never cared about his well-being.
@@Skeleton20133Sonic Adventure: He sees Perfect Chaos blast Egg Carrier 2 and says "I've had enough"
Sonic Adventure 2, Heroes, Shadow and Frontiers: he just lets Eggman hang around after the day is saved.
Sonic Lost World: he is visibly distraught when he thinks Eggman fell into lava "Eggman..."
And if we count Sonic X as a close to canon version of characters: When he turned into Dark Super Sonic, Eggman telling him he shouldn't loose his cool calmed him down, stopping him from killing the Metarex.
Sonic X also shows us Eggman doesn't want to kill Tails at the end of season 2, as he would have no one to fight otherwise, a trait consistent with Lost World where he saved Tails from crazed Cubot.
Freedom is basically Sonic's middle name. Note, his color palette.
In the first place, if they were on sonic's place, they would not even be hearing thia question.
At first sonic's phylosophy might seem right, and i agree that people deserve another chance to change.
But theres only so many chances you can give someone before realising they are a lost cause.
Still doesn't mean that it's up to Sonic to take him down; there's other characters that are just as capable and more than willing to do the job, for him. It's the whole argument of, if not Batman, then who should be the one to finish off the Joker? Why does the Gotham justice system not off him through legal means of a trial and death row, instead of slapping him back into Arkham, where they know he'll escape? Why don't WE, as a society, take it up on ourselves to do the thing that we want BATMAN to do to the Joker?
@@jeremyadkins9665 the thing is that there are always possibilities of characters like that existing, like batman has red hood to try and kill the joker.
Knowing the sonic franchise a bit, theres a very small probability of a character like that being made tho.
Freedom is everyone’s right
He is literally fueled by chaos, what do you expect
Sonic is supposed to be Chaotic GOOD; and in the past, he's arguably leaned more toward good than chaos!
I feel like the difference from the games and the comics is that in the games the villains get away before sonic can do anything and in the comics sonic lets them go willingly despite being a danger for others.
I think we should put villains like Eggman into jail (arkham asylum style) and bullies like Rough and Tumble into forced community service or something.
Sonic is wrong. when you choose to be a hero you have to do your best to protect those you care about. Sometimes killing is necessary (Sonic has done this before). Him not wanting to kill isn’t an excuse either because locking up his enemies is also an option (again he's done this before). But in these comics (and some of the games) he chooses not to for no good reason, putting people in danger and killing them in the process.
Expect for the fact Sonic can’t be everywhere and doesn’t try to enforce the law nor does he try to be some bringer of justice. He can’t force people to change and he doesn’t have the right to take life. The only time he kills is demons, evil gods or extinction level threats and Eggman haven’t gone through those line because he doesn’t try to destroy the world as he’s stated before only wanting to rule and bring in control and order. Sonic chose to let Eggman live is because the potential that Mr.Tinker shown and I say with Sonic Frontier and with Sage it’s a possibility that could happen or at least Sage would make sure a Second MV doesn’t happen again.
@justynhill4814 Not true. No one is expecting him to be everywhere, but in the places where he is, he rarely takes the necessary precautions to prevent preventable things from happening. You can't be a hero and not fight for justice because justice is doing what is right in the face of injustice(doing what is wrong). Sonic has fought as a bringer of justice *multiple* times. Whether it's protecting Tails from his bullies, liberating an entire kingdom from a corrupt King, or liberating the entire world from Eggman, Sonic has constantly fought as a bringer of justice.
No one is expecting him to force people to change, Just take precautions so that those people won't hurt others. If someone you know is bad is trying to take someone else's life, Sonic has every right to take that person's life. You even admit that Sonic has already done it.
Sonic killed King Arthur and Imprisoned Erazor Djinn forever. Sonic had no problem killing King Arthur despite being warned, and not knowing he was a knight of the underworld. Sonic Imprisoned Erazor Djinn forever, even though he wasn't even inherently evil.
Eggman has proven himself to be more than an extinction level threat on multiple occasions. Eggman has tried to kill Sonic and his friends countless times (held Amy at gun point), almost blew up the planet, *actually* shattered the planet into pieces, enslaved an entire race of creatures across multiple planets, and almost permanently destroyed all of existence with a time god (twice), and the list goes on.
Mr.Tinker doesn't matter because Eggman has been a Multiversal, life-ending threat long before then. Sonic gave Mr.Tinker (Eggman) another chance. Did it work out? No.
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Sonic did all those things to for justice but because he wanted to do nice and just help people. To me he reminds me more of anime characters like Goku and Luffy. These character have similar personalities and ideas of freedom or doing a action just for their own reasoning and feel like it’s nothing special or any deeper meaning to it.
Granted he’s not against prison or anything like that and he hasn’t just let Eggman walk away because of you remember they once left him in a blank dimension in Generation but he somehow managed to escape. It just usually that he gets blown up somewhere and sent across the world somewhere and he just disappears for months and just waits until he makes a new plan.
Yes he’s done evil but can actually think of other villains turn heroes that actually wiped out planets or done worse but still managed to change. Even Joker can change when he loses his drive and becomes apart of the system and live a normal life. Sonic isn’t even asking for Eggman to be a hero just live a life that doesn’t require to hurt people and Mr.Tinker was that and even Eggman couldn’t deny it that he liked that life but he’s bent on making the world the way he thinks will make it perfect.
It’s called endless possibilities and with what the new frontier dlc shown with Sage their possible is a chance for a change to happen with him.
@justynhill4814 Regardless of why Sonic chooses to do nice things and help people, the point is that Sonic constantly fights as a bringer of justice, so to say he doesn't wouldn't be accurate to his character.
To be fair yeah, Eggman *might* be able to escape prison like how he escaped White Space, but not only did he have help from himself, but we don't even know what he had on him to do so. Eggman doesn't always get launched away though. sometimes Sonic and friends just watch him fly away in his Egg Mobile or whatever and let him go.
Those other villains don't really matter though, because Sonic has already killed and imprisoned people who are *Way* lesser threats than Eggman, meanwhile Eggman gets off scott free most of the time, free to endanger the world and kill more people again.
Eggman having a soft boiled, sunny side won't change much though. Eggman has shown to care more about the creations he's proud of like Metal Sonic, Sage, and Belle but those are his creations. He had his chances at Redemption and chose not to take it more than once.
@@mr.kingkayyy7401- sometimes it takes more than once or even a million chances. Times are changing and the world isn’t defenseless to Eggman as it was years ago.
And i rather take the chance with Sage to help ease up to show him the possibilities of changing. Although we have to worry about if a situation that happened with his grandfather would happen if anything happened to Sage.
People die weather it’s from Eggman or some thug on the street or natural causes or natural disasters. Sonic isn’t going to shackle himself to the needs of the world when they demand it and he knows things wouldn’t change if he keeps solving people problems because they have to grow themselves he only their to give it a push.
I do want to point out and blame Dr.Starline for prematurely bringing Eggman back. Yes I’ve heard it before it was Metal Sonic but Starline was the main factor in how they reunited again and he was someone nobody predicted in existing. It was said that Eggman would have eventually returned on his own but during that time would he have appreciated his life more as Mr.Tinker.
This is something I commonly think about (I’m a big Batman fan). When do the casualties become too much? When does someone become irredeemable? How do you become judge, jury, and executioner without you yourself becoming blindsided to your own personal biases? The concept of death to your enemies has a spectrum of answers. For Bruce, he refuses to kill lest he fall off the deep end and become the one thing he swore to fight. For Dick Grayson, killing is survival and the reassurance that they can’t hurt anyone ever again. For Jason, killing is a tool to better the world, because you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped. Tim is… nearly apathetic about it. Death is a necessity for life, but he’s willing to save as many as he can, even if it means the casualities of an enemy.
How do you quantify a life for the safety of others? How do you quantify the *possibility* of change for the better to the *possibility of change for the worst?
Batman primarily doesn't kill for fear of losing his sanity. His secondary concern is for the sake of any loved ones the criminals he fights have or may have, lest they seek vengeance upon him. A killer did it to him; he doesn't want to be the cause of that feeling to someone else. Reformation is all but tertiary. Batman knows there are those who are beyond hope: Joker, Bane, Scarecrow, Hush, Victor Zsasz, Professor Pyg, etc.
I wonder what the creators of sonic wouldve thought knowing that some day there'd be comics discussing his personal philosophy about whether it's right to become the judge, jury and executioner of his enemies.
Reminder that sonic fucked up his own universe
That’s the most irresponsible thing he ever did
A lot of people seem to side with Sonic on this one. As much as I like Sonic and can understand his point of view I have to disagree. Once someone crosses a line of mass murder, destruction of communities, cities, continents or just mass destruction in general, still giving that person an option to be good and turn around when they clearly don’t want to seems foolish. Just like Sonic said, we have the freedom to make our own choices. Unfortunately, those choices can have consequences.
You rob a bank and go to jail. But you decided afterwards that you were wrong to do that and want to be good. But you’re still in jail. Why is that though? Because your actions have consequences. Allowing villains to continuously cause harm and pain to others when you can stop them permanently but don’t because you want them to choose good is what will only end up backfiring in the long run. At least for most cases. But that’s just my opinion.
That's very black and white thinking. Tell me, how many villains has prison created? Sending people to prison statistically makes them more likely to commit crimes once they get back out, precisely because prison destroys opportunity.
If criminals are made to reap their consequences, then surely, we as a society must reap ours for choosing to perpetuate cruel systems, that serve mostly to glean a perverse glee in punishment, creating worse people and locking them in a cycle of crime in the process.
If Sonic did kill his enemies, he'd be no better than they are.
Both sonic and Eggman proved themselves to be wrong by pursuing Surge and Kitt in order to attempt an alliance with them before the other.
Kitt said it best by stating that neither side truly cared about the duo and both sides only care about what Surge and Kitt can do.
That's not true of Sonic, but the way he handled things definitely made it seem like it.
“I won’t kill my enemies and instead let them kill millions of innocent people.”
Hello, fellow sane person.
my man has NOT read the other comments
@@February_seasonz They don't need to; they're saying the exact same thing.
Sonic doesn’t have to end(kill) his enemies. He could put them in a special jail made for them so they never get out! I think sonic is irresponsible. He is not thinking of the well-being of the people of his world or his friends. Sonic is just an adrenaline junkie risking everything just for thrills! If he truly cared he wouldn’t be so selfish!
Literally Sonic has left Eggman in a blank void space in Generations so no nothing hold Eggman back for long. He even left him stranded in space and he found his way back.
Also every time sonic beats Eggman he usually blows up and get sent halfway across the globe somewhere.
Sonic is responsible and irresponsible at the same time like this fight with Surge. Instead of thinking she’s some new evil he’s learn from experience that the first fight is usually from a misunderstanding and try to get to know Surge. While it didn’t help calm Surge rage he still kept having fun which made her more and more mad.