Dropped a fuel tank | Crank No Start! Saturn SL
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Must be an unwritten rule that fuel pumps will only fail when the tank is full
Funny enough, when mine was going bad, it only acted up at half tank or below.
Yep, true story. An when u need 2 test drive something 2 diagnose a fault, car has no fuel..🥴
most likely the fuel level was low and it thermal shocked the pump (since the fuel is cold)
Lol I was gonna say fuel pump always goes right after you fill the tank up
indeed it happened to me as well!
Living in the Midwest, I think the thing I enjoy most about this channel is all the basically rust free cars haha...
I hate it because it makes what I spend so much time doing look easier than it is lol. I'm blatantly, unabashedly jealous of how easy jobs are when the car has an innate desire to stay in one piece when you torque something inside of it.
Same up here in Canada
I live in Pennsylvania and none of my cars ever had any rust.
@@scottr3484 That's what happens when you don't live in reality.
Agreed I live in Minnesota all nuts and bolts are rusted nothing comes apart easily I think that’s why I enjoy watching this channel satisfying watching stuff come apart
Blows me away seeing these older vehicles you get to work on that have no rust. I forget that there are places in this country where road salt does not exist.
Ray: "I don't have clearance, I will make clearance."
Me: "Is it possible to learn this power?"
Not... from a dealership.
That's true that pal I'd love to learn that power so I can stop cutting my hands up every day I know its part of the job getting cut and I'm 30 years in now but it would still be nice to go easy on the money makers
You must capture the force
Young Raymond you must use the force
YAAYYY we finally got to meet Peter! I love that you have kinda taken the kid under your wing Ray. I'm a firm believer in passing on knowledge to anyone that cares to learn, particularly those just starting out. iIn my almost 38 years as a master carpenter/builder and a better-than-most backyard mechanic I couldn't tell you how many folks I've gone out of my way, and tested my patience, to teach what i know. You're a great man Ray, and I admire you immensely.
PeTAH
His name is Peetah!
Always impressed how fuel filters of that era were often made of polished stainless steel and look like something from the space station, while the rest of the car was rusting away.
I've had 3 Saturn 5 spds, an SL, an SL1 and an SW2, I live in NH ,and none of them rotted away....if you maintain your car and truck and wash it at a car wash. And do an underbody wash... they don't rot away usually....
Stainless steel is great as long as you're not machining it sometimes it gets hard as a rock and other times them little splinters you think you don't like oil on your hands Ray you would not like them little stainless splinters they will bite you bye
Next video. Angry customer states “Some of my fuel is missing!”
When it comes to mess with a fuel tank , its always full to max ... When it rains .. It pours . Great video Ray 👌
My family has always had major car problems right after filling the tank, if it was going to have problems. So far, my tank is usually at half or less when I have had car problems.
When it rains .. It pours, _gas!_
@@NemoConsequentae 😂😂😂😂😂👌
even more fun and overalls smelling terrible if its diesel
My favorite part of the morning is drinking coffee and watching Ray's newest video.
No wonder it died. He’s a Miami fan. Lol
Yeah, it's pretty slow around here as well.😉
I love watching others work on things I've done many many times. It's fun to watch others struggle lol.
Always a good idea to replace the fuel filter if a fuel pump has failed. Especially if the fuel filter is several years old or many miles old. Partly clogged fuel filter causes back pressure on fuel pump, it has to work harder, draws more amps, eventually fails.
This. Cant believe the fuel filter wasn't replaced.
@@emersonbiggens1502 It was replaced.
@@BigLisaFan I thought so too, he said it at around 8 min and around 18 min he changed a part that looks like the filter...
@@emersonbiggens1502 this is what happens when you don’t watch the video before commenting. He did change it 😂
8:02
I know this is old, but I had to comment. This was an an excellent job on this video. Audio and video was chrystal clear and concise. Instruction was unhurried and easy to follow. Commentary was professional sprinkled with a dose of humor here and there. I've been trying to locate the source of a fuel leak coming from one of the fuel lines on my daughter's Saturn L200 and this video was instrumental in helping me to visualize what's on top of fuel tank. Great post.
11:27 Sweet! You created An 18 gallon Molotov cocktail!
Did this on my 94 Ciera, on a nice cold winter day. New fuel pump, new fuel sending unit and fuel filter. That was 7 years ago. Had to drive rear wheels up on car ramps. Made for a nice day off project and was a success. I had the same adventures with the fuel leaking as this one is doing. I didn’t drain my tank either. Straps on the reinstall were rough too. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Ray. Love your content. I always remove the filler neck from the tank then siphon the gas out into a gas can. Makes for a safer/cleaner work area. The tanks are always full...darn it!
I knew some guys in New York in midnight Auto five finger discount with a siphon the tank for free hey I'm just joking guys
If I'm not mistaken, Saturn's have an anti-siphon mechanism in the fuel filler entrance of the fuel tank
😂😂 Why didn't I think of that?
This made me nostalgic for my Saturn SL. The strut tower mounts rusted out, one dropping the front corner about five inches when it failed as I pulled into a parking lot.
When the mechanic took a look at repairability, they found a lot more subframe rust than the car was worth.
Ray, you had many of us holding our breath with that fuel tank praying for it not to slip off. Great work as usual! 👍🏻
I was praying that it did slip off
@@tomgreen4520 that's not nice, why would you do that? Ray is an awesome guy.
@@tomgreen4520 that's not nice, why would you do that? Ray is an awesome guy.
@@tomgreen4520 LOL
Pro Tip: The jack has holes in it so you can run a couple of large screws up in to the tank to hold it in place. Also aids in draining the tank.
This makes me so glad my pump and things can be reached by taking out the rear seat.
Good videos. I can only imagine working in a climate where things come apart like they are supposed to
Does your climate effect the parts of the vehicle?
@@wayneessar7489 maybe he is from the rust belt
@@wayneessar7489 I live where we use a ton of salt on roads during winter. There are many times on older vehicles when you try to remove a bolt and the head comes off but the rest of it will stay inside due to rusting through. Quite frustrating.
@@itsjust2hard Thank you for your reply!
@@webmasale Thank you, it snows here but rains a lot.
in a show of fearlessness, the rare and dangerous Saturn SL1 makes it appearance in the wild, the last of it's kind, recently added to the endangered species list.
It’s so rare that it’s not even an SL1. SLs are always 4 door sedans. 2/3 doors are SC coupes.
Please keep making more content! I enjoy seeing you working through the entire process. And including the need to revisit the problem again. Never give up! Never surrender!
A tip from an old mechanic ....invest in a couple of sizes of fernco rubber caps W/ hose clamp to cap off the filler neck ....works great !
@0:32 You meant to say "3-door 2001 Saturn SC1." 🙂 This car looks super clean for it's age. Those older Saturn S-Series were great cars. They don't quit unless you run them out of oil or the chassis rusts to pieces. I've owned 5 Saturns (3 SC2s, 2 Ions), and they were all great cars. I miss Saturn. :(
1994 Saturn SL2 was the best car ever made.
I had a 2004 Vue I got from my mother when she passed. It had 74k miles on it. Ex rear ended someone in it, we fixed it. Before our divorce, I signed it over to her. Through the years, she put 200k more miles on it, gave it to her daughter, and she totalled it a week later.
I would love another Vue, but all the ones I see for sale are ragged out beyond recognition.
i got an sw2 with 208k on it right now and a vue 2.2 with 87k
I still refuse to buy GM because of the death of Saturn. I miss my 02 SC2 that got rear-ended and I swear I had an identical 99 SC1 to the one in the vid.
This made me miss my 95 Sl2 5spd. First car I bought with my own money. Had it 18 years, put 265k on it. Gave it to my daughter. She totalled it within 6 weeks.
I have a 1998 Saturn SL base model which runs great but does not start on a slight uphill after sitting overnight… it's a five speed, so I roll it backwards in reverse to Roll start it which works every time, Runs great the rest of the day… I came here and found what I believe is the answer and I appreciate it… Now I just have to find a good mechanic like yourself to replace the sending unit and the filter for a decent price… This video helped me out tremendously thank you… Bought the car last year 98,000 miles and I have 114,000 on it today 2022
Ray, I think you'd be fun as hell to hang with. You do pretty much the same weird crap I do. Keep having fun and thanks for taking the time to do these. I get done wrenching or doing the service writer thing, it's refreshing as hell to come home and watch another guy work lol.
Yes i did so many tank drops sucks with a full tank of gas so i had to siphon gas out first and one time i swallowed a mouth full of gas i burped gas fumes for a week not fun glad them days are done i love watching rainman work 👍
Not saying the fuel pump did not need replacement (especially since the send unit was bad and an intregal component) that said since there was some pressure measured it is a safe bet only the filter needed replacement as usually when a fuel pump goes bad there is no pressure (all or nothing)! I would at least have checked that first!
I see weak fuel pumps all the time, i don't know what you're going on about. Also a clogged filter usually feels heavy to an experienced technician, many guys will blow thru them to verify they aren't clogged whilst removing them
Got super lucky that oldie but a goodie was Soo rediculously clean and not rusty never seen a gas tank drop that easy or go so smooth
Thanks for the vids… always enjoy watching. Old and new
I always used brass drift punches. Steel a slight risk of creating sparks. Just my $.02.
I am shaw he used a approved flash light and cordless socket driver LOL. he is a bad accident waiting to happen!
i had to laugh- waaaaay back in '69-'71 i took 2 years of body shop in high school.
mr. hunter was, to me, an outstanding instructor. 'good enough' was NOT good enough.
he taught me pride of workmanship and that has held me in good stead through the
years, if only for my self-respect.
i haven't worked in a commercial body shop, but i still have an assessing eye and can
see (or not see) good workmanship.
we used to put covers on the tires, and paper aprons along the bottom edges to prevent
overspray.
Man this Saturn looks great still well taken care of
Back then, Saturns were built very well. Later models were a nightmare. No surprise the cord was pulled.
Oh man just seeing the car brings back so many memories of the Saturn I rode in as a kid. It had a manual transmission and manual windows and I loved it. It sends shivers down my back damn. I’m thinking of buying one someday just for nostalgia
Recently found your videos and I can't stop watching, even though I know next to nothing about cars. I'm a gunsmith and my boss came into my lab to ask me what was going on because I keep saying click now when I get a screw good and tight. He thinks I'm a nutter, lol.
LOL, I find myself predicting the "click" while watching Ray's videos. My wife thinks I'm a nutter as I watch with headphones on and will call out "click", apparently randomly. Hoping Rainman Ray will come up with some "click" merch on his Spreadshop storefront!
Super phone action and clicks. Man, getting gas all over oneself is a bummer. Keep them coming, seeing you work on cars I can appreciate my mechanic even more now
Ray, you know as well as I do, draining 2 or 3 gallons of gas would have been simple once you removed the filler neck from the tank. I’ve had some so full they had to be drained prior to beginning the tank removal process. Sometimes it’s much safer to pump or siphon out the gas instead of taking a chance on have a big fire and no marshmallows to roast. lol
@Don Bearden You know there is an anti-syphen ball in the tank. Or maybe be you did not know that.
@@ducewags once the filler neck is removed like this it can be siphoned.
Loving these videos, my dad was a mechanic when cars didn't have computers in them. He hated cars with computers in them :D
I use nut drivers on screw clamps. Almost always less frustrating.
I had to remind myself to Tell you have a great day you are a hard worker at your Job God bless you and all your family and friends I'll be praying for all of you Blessings
Since you were getting 9psi of pressure form the old pump, you could have bypassed the fuel pump relay to get the pump to run and then empty it out using your fuel pressure tester. That would probably take 15-20 minutes, but would make the job a lot cleaner and easier to handle an empty pump.
Boris why make it so complicated??? the easiest way to empty the fuel system is by removing the fuse for the fuel pump. and run the car. it will suck all the fuel from the filter and make the car run for less then 1sec. after that it's empty. and you don't get a mess ^^ simple af.
@@NotDiiZE He's referring to draining the tank completely before removing from the car. That way you don't get gas spilled all over you and have a fire hazard.
I would not deal with a fuel tank that full myself but you got thru it ok. I hate getting gasoline on me. It’s dangerous and it stinks. Nice job anyway Rainman!
Y'all need ti remember that these jobs pay flat rate. If he spends half an hour pumping out fuel and putting fuel back in that's basically time he's giving away.
That being said, when my father in law had a bad fuel pump that made a little pressure I did disconnect the filter, jump the relay, get the gas cans, and pump that thing dry.
@@michaeldurrett8388 "Safety first". I know of a guy who thought it was best not to drain the tank first. He pulled the tank down, spilled a bunch of gas that somehow started a fire and he got burnt bad himself, to the point I think of requiring skin grafts. This is just one of the reasons that I despise the flat rate system. It causes techs to take short cuts just to "beat" time. Don't take short cuts especially if safety is compromised.
Good, work, Ray! One thing, unless you strap a fuel tank to a jack, never work on a full gas tank unsupported on a jack. It's too easy for the tank to get away from you, the fuel weight momentum will cause it to fall off.
I feel you on this I started last night on a 2003 ford explorer sport trac 4x4 ... bad fuel pump ... the fuel filler hose hadn't been removed in almost 300k miles fought with it for 20 mins and the fuel tank was completely full
That’s how most fuel pumps seem to fail just after filling the tank.
300k? Nice
It is sweet how peter looks up to you figuratively and literally.
WARNING: Never ever use a brushed motor electric power ratchet or impact wrench when working with raw gas or near gasoline fumes. The arcing brushes can easily ignite the fuel, and burn your whole shop down. Brush-less motor powered tools, do not arc when running.
I was thinking the same thing.
@@samuelriemer5720 All I can say is "Baa Boom"!!!!!
No DUH
Brushless tools can also arc while running, but it's much less likely. The safest option is to not run anything until the fuel leak has been taken care of...
Also, the doo de doo de doo of the phone can cause a spark and burn the shop down.
Any Saturn that runs is worth saving. I bought a SL1 new in 1997 and it has never left me on the road with my thumb bin the air. Unbelievable reliability those cars have. Simple to work on when you rarely need to. I hope the fuel pump holds up in mine!
I can vouch for the reliability of the ole SC1. Actually, the one I had was (is) a race car. (A 2000 model year.) It had its issues when I first got it, mainly from the previous owner's inability to do things properly. The car had over 250,000 miles on it before it was built into a race car. After that, it raced 2 or 3 seasons before I got it. After an intake manifold gasket replacement (NOT a fun job!) that engine still sounded like it could go another 100,000+ miles in a street car. I actually have a couple videos of the car as a racer.....good ole Number 7. Had a blast wrenching on that car...and of course racing it.
I'm envious of you southern folks, to be able to do that without also replacing fuel lines and brake lines must be a treat. Also, think about using a brass chisel/hammer when removing those lock rings, you don't consider it until you're getting skin grafts. I've seen it first hand and it's horrifying Ray, just consider it please!
Agreed, and avoid brushed power tools while there's fule vapour loose too.
work fascinates me,,,,I could watch it for hours
That was a close one! I didn’t think we were getting any “click’s” today. Keep up the awesome content.
Same, I was waiting for the oodle-doodle doo, answer the phone too...!
I laughed at the Click on the fuel pump ring
You should sell merchandise with Click and Do da do da do!
And click...
Yeah, I was hoping that ball peen didn't hit a radius or phalange and cause a bad day.
Having the right tools and knowledge is key....but What a difference having a lift is! The everyday backyard mechanic doing this on jackstands wishing for a lift
Ray mentioned draining the fuel tank is a pain but I'd found some way to do it. A nearly full tank makes the job risky on dropping the tank, cracking the tank, fuel spills, etc. After the filler tube was disconnected could have siphoned out the gas quickly into clean gas cans and then refilled the tank later. But that takes time to do. I guess getting the job done quickly is a priority.
Some cars you can't siphon
@@richsweeney1115 Once the filler neck is removed, you can siphon the gas out. This fact was proven when he was reinstalling the tank and gas was leaking out
This brings back memories on welding the fuel tank on my old Mazda. Even though it was drained and rinsed with water there was a nice fireball when I started grinding rust away.
Ya. You have to do that with water in the tank.
@@j.t.cooper2963 I was gonna say you leave water in the tank when grinding and welding them because fumes are more dangerous then liquid... liquid will start fires , fumes will explode if in the right conditions
Yes, it was a good lesson for an 18 year old :)
Stick the hose from the mig welder in the tank and fill it with argon. No more boom.
@@timernewein5146 that's another way because argon is a heavier gas then oxygen no oxygen no boom I guess.... but what if you dont have a mig welder ? Just a scenario that may come up a few times in said situation lol
Am I the only one whos jaw dropped at how clean that supposed to be extinct car is? lol
Makes me grateful for European motors which (usually) have a hatch under the back seats to get the pump out.
Definitely should have drained the tank, whether you like it or not. And, please get yourself a hose clip driver, 7mm. Makes life a lot easier.
@@CajunReaper95 if you think draining a tank takes all day you clearly need more spanner time.
Brings back bad memories of changing the fuel pump for the third time on my wife's Dodge van. I ran it til the fuel empty light stayed on, but it still had gallons of fuel and at one point fuel went down my arm, all the way to my arm pit. I hated that Dodge and was so happy to finally see it gone.
@12:43 I thought I saw a spark as you drove the retainer ring off, might want to switch to a brass version to avoid this in the future.
Yep, don't use a steel chisel, we like you too much Ray, it will create a spark, go to brass as mentioned....I love your videos man.....Safety first....
I have changed 6 fuel pumps in my life. Two of my vehicles thank God, was on a nissan. Just remove the back seat, and metal plate. That day, I felt spechial 🤣. And yes ,the other 4 were 3/4 to full. I empty Empty And cleaned out the tanks. Which is a PITA.
Love your content brother. My heart goes out to all mechanics. I could not do what yall do on a daily basis! The sheer aggravation of constant model changes and customers, hell to the no. I don't have that kind of patience for that!
I'm jealous, look how amazingly clean the threads are on those strap bolts. In Pennsylvania half of the frame comes out with them and the strap twists.
No doubt!
Atlantic Canada's the same. I've worked on cars with more rust after a couple of winters than that Saturn had after 20 years.
I live in Pennsylvania and none of my cars ever had any rust.
@@scottr3484your car is either 100% stainless,plastic or you don't drive in salt brine or calcium chloride or you trade them in every couple of years. Or you live in a different Pennsylvania than I do.
@@smallchunkaground2071 New car every 3 years. Keep it simple
I have been binge watching and clicking 'like' on all your video's Ray.......I gotta say I really enjoy watching your vid's and listening to your comical banter.....I went back 6 years and you were not very chatty at first. I also think I speak for all Canadians, we now consider you an honorary Canadian due to how many times you apologize when you get in our way while trying to watch.....and also for your friendly video opening's and closing's.......in closing I must remind myself to remind you to have a great day.....be well sir, Paul.
I've owned 5 Saturns and have had to drop a few tanks. Quickest way I've found is to unbolt the filler neck from the body, and unbolt the rear subframe, let it hang. Then the tank can come out as a unit with the filler neck, so no risk of spilling.
Asian people.
We had one of those 10 gallon gas tanks for the shop just for these types of jobs, easy to just siphon out the gas before pulling the tank and then feed it back in when done.
FYI that is an SC1....also for anyone replacing the fuel filter, DO NOT use a generic filter, these filters have the regulator built in. 98-02'
Yeppers. The 1st New car I ever purchased was a '94 SL2.
SL = Sedan
SC = Coupe
SW = Station Wagon
1 = Base model
2 = Loaded up with power everything and Leather plus 15" Alloy wheels instead of 14" steel wheels with hub caps.
@@MrWoodyBalto I will never give up my Satty. 1=SOHC 2=DOHC.....
That explains the 3 lines coming out of the filter, that looks strange to me. Most are just single inlet, single outlet.
@@brnmcc01 Yeah I think at the time it was a cost saving and simplification measure for GM. It makes for a slight hassle in the aftermarket but the filters are expected to last as much as 100k.
Yeah the 2nd and 3rd Gen S Series were like that, mine was a 95 (1st Gen body, 2nd Gen Dash). Filter was up more by the engine, regulator on the fuel rail. I can see why they would go with this setup though it does make the fuel filters more expensive.
😂😂 my 6 year old granddaughter loves it when click, she runs around with my tools making sure everything is tight. She happy when she clicks and goes onto something else.😂😂
As much as the overspray was bad and it looked like it had a matte rear quarter on one side someone really loves that car. I can just tell by how polished it is and how clean the interior is and how in spite of it being 20 years old they had no qualms about fixing it. What a lovely, low mileage example of a quirky little car.
Yes! That Saturn is 20 years old and only has 70,000 miles. If accurate that's only 3500 miles driven per year. Crazy!
i knew European cars have at least one advantage. All have the gas Tank accessible from the inside. 5 min job to change the pump
no such thing as a five minute job,,,,,PERIOD
@@tomstiel7576 Oh there sure is! Dial 1-800-Classy, cash only.
its crazy to see that there is no/ little rust on the cars you work on.. i live in NY so im used to my cars rusting out completely by the time theyre 10 years old smh
Agree -Eric O at South Main Auto is a wizard of the salty north in NY. I’m in north UK at the coast and we suffer a fair bit of the salty crusties too.
@@mrbigvanlife7130 I live about an hour from Eric o! If i ever need major work done i will definitely be driving to him.
@@apc01352 he’s the man! - an honest, fair and talented guy…Me? I work to the principle that if he can do it then I can do it ;-) (and I bought a Toyota !)
My brother tells me his only last 5 years....
Is that expensive having to keep getting a replacement car? we don't do salt here in New Zealand
I did this exact job on an 89 Mustang. 1/2 tank of gas, on jackstands in a bank parking lot. Having all that weight on your chest, and sliding it over was fun. Puttin it back up was even funner.
Whenever you are doing a fuel tank related job its a good idea to siphon the fuel out from the tank as much as you can. Believe me it will make your job a lot better. It can be clearly seen that you were tapping the fuel filter in a wrong way. Put some electrical tape around the universal joint to stop the wobble.
I remember having to remove a fuel tank for repair from a 1976 XC ??? ford falcon ute for repair. The tank is actually located in the tray area just behind the cabin under the floor. This means you have to take off the tray floor cover and lift the tank out. Of course the tank still has at least 8 litres (2 gallons) left even if you run it to empty which sloshes all over the place as you remove it.
That thing was fun to drive as it would leave rubber strips easily but was terrible in the wet (for the same reason). It would break traction so easily (even with the big boots on it) . It had a worked 351 in it.
I don't think I ever replaced a fuel pump where the tank wasn't full. It seems street diagnostic test is add 1 gallon of gas, if no start, add another gallon. If that doesn't work, fill tank, for the first time since owned.
Isnt that the truth!
True, I very nearly did the same myself recently, only added a gallon before I stopped myself adding any more, luckily I did need to remove the tank to access the fuel pump
Just recently found your channel and I'm amazed by the steps needed to fix cars. I've watched Chris fix for awhile and he does an amazing job as do you. You guys inspire me so much to learn much more about fixing cars! Keep up the great work!
Ditch fixboy and stick with Ray. Fixboy comes across as a spolied rich kid. I unsubbed from him when he did that whole long string of look what I bought videos. Ray is a real blue collar working man with credentials. Never brags and keeps it real.
Ray, you forget one vital thing!
You forgot to ask the viewers, in exchange for the free content, to scroll down and tappy tap that thumbs up button, to let you, and UA-cam know you did a good job. Because if UA-cam thinks that you're doing a good job, they are far more likely to recommend your content to other pottential viewers. And that is good for you, and especially good for them!
2001… life in salt free zone.
I remember changing a fuel filter under a car when I worked at JCPenny/Firestone in 82/83. Had fuel all down my arm and shirt (long sleeves in NJ winter). Got it done and see a coworker heading towards me with a lit cigarette. I never ran so fast in my life while yelling at him to stay the hell away from me as I ran to locker room and into the shower. Jumped in shirt and all.
Hey Ray - Good stuff - I have learned a lot here. I do always wonder why you fight with worm clamps with a straight screwdriver rather than a nut driver or socket. Seems out of character for you to do all that sliding off with a screwdriver. Keep up the good work!!
I know lol. I never use a straight screwdriver unless I utterly have to.
I'm not a car person, but for what it's worth these videos are greatly entertaining to watch! My dad used to run a car repair shop in the countryside and as a kid I spent a lot of time just idling about, watching and listening to him work. These videos bring back a lot of memories while also being vastly more informative and far less laden in alcoholism than the work I witnessed back in the day. It's always a delight to see someone working and showcasing their knowledge and experience in practice. Keep up the good work, Sir!
I thought the proper procedure is to use a brass drift when removing the ring from the gas tank to avoid Sparks. Any thoughts?
....no there was no chance of sparkling the gas
@@vulgervulcan6345 Why?
@@Amp497 Because it's on the outside of the tank and he had the punch against the ring not hitting the ring, hitting the punch. The hammer is hardened steel the chisel is hardened steel you could get a spark out of it if you tried, but the chisel wasn't striking off the ring, it was firmly on the ring. That doesn't make a spark. He's not even getting sparks when he pulls out the old air chisel.
I remember the oldies but goodies when the fuel pump was much easier to change progress is not always progress. They say the fuel pumps were placed in the tank for safety reasons guess that makes sense, Just makes it more difficult to change. good job.
Car comes in for a tune up, it’s on reserve for fuel. Car needs fuel pump, customer fills up car……Every damn time when I was at dealerships.
I always leave between a quarter and a half tank when getting some work done, no more than that though because i did have a problem with a mechanic taking a 3.5 hour test drive after putting on new tires...
As a customer, I keep my tank about 1/2 to 1/4 when I take it in for service. Then afterwards, I take the car for a wash and top off tank.
Love those little Saturns. They are great little cars. They are all plastic but they keep going and can take a beating. My ex wife got rear ended when she was completely stopped by a Jetta doing 80 then she plowed in to a Ford LTD. Her and our daughter who was a baby came out great and insurance fixed the car… Anyways that baby’s first car was also an SL-1…lol
They are decent little A to B cars, had mine for 15 years no real issues with it.. The Transmission did slam into Reverse on occasion but thats normal, the valve bodies on these tend to have issues. I did loose Reverse and 2nd Gear once but that was an easy fix (input shaft nut had loosened).
Seems like Saturn used troublesome fuel pumps. I bought a brand new Saturn L300 in 2004 and it went thru 4 fuel pumps by the time I got rid of it it in 2011. On a positive note the bolts that held the tank straps in were never in long enough to get rusted in place.
My friends love Saturn he leased it after being unemployed for a long time. He think the Philosophy of manufactured of Saturn is using Honda and Japanese process to build a quality car in Detroit in 1990. I told him that Toyota City and Japanese QC and reliability of Toyota is much superior than Saturn. I ended up brought used Chevy Prizm with low mileage since I trust Toyota Corolla engine more than Saturn. His new Saturn needs new Generator after 36K new fuel pump and so much issue with his warranty and maintenance. While my Prizm needs new PS pump and I had Japanese took care of that for $80.00. I replaced Struct shock with Japanese used parts and my car still running fine 22 years later.
SC 1 single overhead cam 5 speed. My 96 was blue. When that one was totalled by a wrong way driver in St Petersburg, I went back to the Saturn dealer and got a 99 SL 2 that had some cool options. I drove that car for 10 years.
Personally I would have bench tested the new pump prior to install in the tank. I also would have drained the tank. Gas Cady works great
Ray you will always find people that will do things different to you and criticise but a majority of the time you are right. Any trade people make mistakes , you learn by that, but what puts you above others is that you fix it. well done love your vids
Nice video Ray. It always seems that people with dying fuel pumps always fill the tank in an effort to cure the problem. We always drain the tank and give the car back on empty. I have seen a few high end European cars with a fuel pump access panel. I have a 1988 Monte Carlo with an aftermarket EFI unit. The high pressure pump is in a small fuel cell under the hood which is fed by the original fuel pump for the carburetor. Nice setup. Would be very easy to change. In 3 years this tank has only vapor locked once did to high summer temperatures. One customer over filled his engine with 3 quarts of oil when his oil pump gave out!!!
Had fuel pump fail at a gas station right after I had filled the tank. Drove into station fine, after filling car would not start. Had car towed to repair shop I trust, and yep fuel pump was bad. They took it out also without draining tank, or if they did they put fuel back in it.
Just about all European vehicles have fuel pump access panels, I never understood why none of domestic ones don't.
@@DevileInside The manufacture doesn't want to pay that extra cost per unit for the parts and labor. The manufacture isn't going to be the one replacing a bad pump so they don't care.
Hey Rainman, I hope you read this; Once upon a time, at a VW Dealership in Spokane, just after Mt. Saint Hellen blew up - They had a Fuel Drain Cart = A hand-truck with a 12v batt on it - Half way up the H-truck was a Plywood Board with a 1979 VW 12v Rotary, Out-board Fuel Pump, a fuel Filter & a Fuse & a Switch & some wire & some Alligator clips & some "Out-going Hose" & some "In-coming Hose"! Add a few Gas Cans & That Tank will be Empty in 3 minutes!!!!
You can't imagine how many cars have passed through our shop in the last 20 years because a previous mechanic used some unexpected/unconventional item to plug a leaking orifice just like you used that blue shop towel to plug the dribbling fuel tank filler. We've found diapers, golf tees, marbles, plastic bags and cups and on and on in places they had no business being. It's a behavior of convenience but not necessarily of common sense!
As long as the one doing the work isn’t lacking in their attention span and has a mental checklist to ensure they remove such items used to temporarily plug a hole and the item used does not cause damage or consist of a material that will fall apart, it shouldn’t matter what the mechanic uses for the task as long as it works without causing more work later. As a former mechanic for over 25 years I too have found such things but have always made sure to remove anything that I used as a plug and in over 25 years of twisting wrenches, I never forgot to remove what I used and never used anything that broke or fell apart… not saying I haven’t made other mistakes but that had never been one of them. Some of us can’t justify spending money on buying a set of plugs and caps when that money could be better spent on other tools such as a hose removal tool to break the hoses loose from the fittings without damage or excessive effort.
I truly appreciate all of your videos and always find myself leaning my head to the right or left to get a better view 😄
The minute he started the car and the car died off, I immediately knew what the problem was. The Fuel Pump. It happened to me after I filled up my 25 Gallon tank on my van and was stuck at the gas station. Had it towed to the house and took a moment to figure out how to change the fuel pump without emptying or dropping out the tank. Took a measuring tape and pin pointed the exact location of the pump an cut an access panel on the floor board and wallah, there is the fuel pump in plain site. After replacing it, I went to the junk yard and found a van just like mine and cut a larger floor panel and used that as my access panel for future incidents, and yes, I used silicon glue and some short screws and screwed the panel to the floor. Problem solved.
I know, you can't do that with the customer's car.. lol
Dangerous, very dangerous
why don't they make access panels ... in the 2 cars IO had to fiddle with the fuel pump had that under the rear seats (mazda protege) and on the floor under the carpet (kia sedonna), the hardest part on the mazda was removing the cover,I had to drill out almost all the screws (didn't own a manual impact driver at the time)
most likely the fuel level was low and it thermal shocked the pump (since the fuel is cold)
That's voila, not wallah.
@@stargazer7644 is right one means "there you go" the other "I swear to God",
Lol it’s been so long since I’ve seen a Saturn 🪐. I remember when everyone wanted one of those in the early 90’s.
Great stuff ! Really enjoying your content. My only point to raise for debate is about removing the pump clamp with a chisel - I was taught to only ever use a brass chisel so as not to risk sparks. Steel on steel is sparky boom time !? 💥
He definitely should have used a brass drift or something similar.
I'd have drained the tank completely too.
Or at the very least put some electrical tape on both the hammer and chisel ends to prevent sparks..
@@ssss-df5qz Well, at least down to 1/4 tank. Wearing a 3/4 full tank that kicks off a jack would not be amusing.
@@wssides I dropped the tank on a Ford transit once after the guy put ad-blue in there. It was 3/4 full and I dropped it to the floor (from axel stand height) then dragged it out and lifted it into my van to take home and clean.
I tell you, it was like trying to hold on to a tantruming toddler walking with it.
Just not worth the hassle to me these days. Better to drain
@@joecostantino3684 you can get insulated hammers and bolsters but TBH, is it worth it?
This ring was metal with protrusions. They're usually plastic anyway.
20 years and just look how clean it is under there!
Ray i love your videos.
hint take one of your gloves or a smaller one and strip it over the filler neck throw a wire tie around it. it may not stop the dribbles 100% but it sure slows it way down.
Glad I got my Ray fix. It’s hard to have a good day without Ray😁
I learned how to drive stick in a 99 SC2. The plastic bumper on that thing was great. I hit a deer with it and it just bounced off and ran away, no damage to the car at all. Trying to switch the stereo out (with zero prior experience) bricked the car though
Damn that fucking sucks lol. Hopefully you found another manual car 🤣
@@SoSlow252 i lived next door to a shop and it cost me about $500 to fix it but i got it running again and soon sold it and got a 92 notchback fox body mustang with a ton of work done to it - and eventually wrecked it. That was like 15 years ago. Had another fox body, a Cabrio, a 6-speed JK Wrangler, and a modified ES2 Civic. Both my cars are autos (Cadillacs) now but I'm in the market for a manual *anything* right now because autos get boring after a while
@@piggystims702 Jesus lol you've had so many cars!!! But that's awesome that you love manual. I can't drive autos, I fall asleep on the highway at night because it's boring. You can take my TSX, I need something that saves gas with these gas prices going up 😂
@@SoSlow252 haha those are just some of the manuals. I keep remembering other cars I've had. I forgot i also had a 97 Forester S in 03 and a 97 V6 mustang convertible back in 2011 and they were both stick also. i've had a bunch of automatics over the years. The main reason I have autos now was because I wanted a cheap luxury car with 4 doors that I knew well (Northstar/"time bomb" caddies are the devil i know, unfortunately 🤣) that I could throw some exhaust on and have a cheap hot rod. No regrets, but i miss feeling like I'm actually driving a car.
TSX's are dope. Say, you could really save gas riding a motorcycle everywhere. I'll trade you for a Buell! Lol
But yeah, gas prices suck right now
@@piggystims702 sorry I didn't respond earlier I had to go to urgent care lol yoo you must be rich 😂😂 be my sugar momma! I've only had 4 cars in my entire life!!! My next car will hopefully be a SUV so I can drive over everything and not care 😂 I do want a motorcycle but I have to get my license for that... Maybe next summer!!
Pretty impressed some of these are still running. I had a couple of these back in the 90s/early 2000s. Both burned oil after 75,000 miles 1 quart every 1000 miles. I had a 1993 SL2 and a 2002 SL and they both did it. 9 years and GM never put better rings in. I wouldn't have bought a second one but they had something in 2002 called the silver blue special and it was a five speed and air and basically nothing else but it was 9995 dollars brand new including destination. I traded in the 1993 on it, it had 199,000 miles and it burned a valve and the clutch barely worked and they gave me a decent trade in anyway. I remember about 100,000 miles the converter came apart and all they made was factory so I took it off and beat the insides out and put it back. They were built to the cheapest they could get away with so the "retailer" could sell at list price and still make at least $2000 a car.
I was hoping that you weren't going to use a metal chisel to hit a metal ring in a shop that is full of gas vapor. You should use a brass punch or at least a piece of wood dowel.
That’s why I love the design of my Jeep Patriot. Take the backseat out and the fuel pump is right there.
I understand how technology changes but I miss the days where we had the external mechanical fuel pumps.
@John DeRocha Thank You!! I always wondered why they did away with something so simple and easy to replace as the Mechanical Fuel Pump.
@@dallashopkins884 not to mention vehicles with mechanical pumps are way more susceptible to vapor lock ever since we stopped using lead and started using ethanol blended fuels. Vapor lock SUCKS.
@@dallashopkins884 mechanical fuel pumps are way too powerful for these kinds of applications, mechanical fuel pumps are now used for racing applications because our turbo hondas for example run out of fuel pump so we put mechanical pumps with ethanol fuel due to the high constant pressure you can get but for daily driver and fuel saver electrical fuel pumps are better and safer
I was told by an engineer from Honda that fuel pumps are now internal to keep them cool.
Correct, because a hot pump contributes to vapor lock.
Right now I'm in a votec for auto technology and I love watching your videos you explain what your doing very well and I learn alot from it Thanks man 🔧❤
my hyundai's have a cap under the back seat to do all of this within 10 minutes and no mess.
Yep. Honda and Toyota have the same thing.
My Ford Contour had a similar arrangement.
It's just dirty, not burnt. The nickel plating on the resistor wire of the fuel sender card attracts the dyes that are used in petrol (and diesel). Love your videos, Ray. Cheers from down under.