Not even a mention of the western end of the canal and how they cut the Withlacootchie river in half, built a damn and a spillway and locks and redirected it, forming lake Rousau. (Sp).
There is a canal in Florida that was 90% built but never completed. It was called the Addison Canal and it was to connect the upper St John's River basin with the Indian River in Titusville. It would have allowed steamers of the era (1905) to go farther up the St Johns past Enterprise and reach the ocean. The last 10% wasn't completed because the builders couldn't get past a cocina bluff and ran out of money. When they refinanced, they attempted to blast their way through the bluff to reach the Indian River and again ran out of money before they could finish. All attempts to complete the canal stopped after that. The canal is still very much visible and under certain conditions, backwash from heavy rain can work up the canal and flood parts of Titusville. If you want to see where the company ran out of money you can hike in the Brevard County Enchanted Forest and see the cocina ravine they built. They came within a mile of the Indian River.
Wow. I would say that's the most typical FL thing I've ever heard. But I read in a book recently (about societal collapses) that they destroyed a remote NW Australian river by damming & irrigating intended for Multiple crops in the 1930s, but they only ended up growing cotton and it failed within a decade. Several other crops are apparently grown now, but it's never recouped the cost of river alterations.... but even in FL I've seen driving around "ghost town" suburbs- places in middle of nowhere they tried to make tons of money by quickly converting wild areas to suburbs and it never took off. It's almost like mother nature saying "not today, this is what you get you selfish little ____" 😂
very, very interesting- I grew up in Miami , then 2 years in the navy at Jacksonville- I should have come across that- just read a bunch about it--fascinating--thanks for your comment.
@@SuperSawyerg If you drive I-95 with any frequency, there is a sign where the highway passes over west of Titusville. Technically the canal was "disconnected" when Douglas Aircraft built a factory during WW2 next to the new airbase in 1943. That factory is now Knights Armament
I grew up in central FL in the 50's and early 60's and remember all the talk about the canal. Most people were for it back then. The joke was , will south FL float away from the rest of the state once its cut loose.
South Florida is already an island. The only thing connecting us the rest of Florida is I-95, I-75, US 1, US 27, Florida Turnpike, and all other road bridges that passes over the Okeechobee Waterway. The following Florida counties fall into this. Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Monroe, Collier, Martin, half of Lee, part of Hendry, and part of Glades counties.
The Rainbow river guy (gave me a shuttle for kayaking in yankeetown, I didn't tell you this, it's very wild out there/ proceed at your own caution 😂) that he told me apparently guys/ fishers Did fight against the building of the canal, but it was like "what are you going to do against big money?" Believe I even heard something about burning fishers' boats. But of course apparently drugs have entered yankeetown area/ he raised his family in Dunnellon, but that seems to be anywhere there's very bad poverty/ drugs find their way in eventually... but no doubt whether it's "cursed" or not because of the lock/ dam or canal alterations, the river Would be healthier without the unnatural blockages for several reasons, and I likely will take steps to fight it sometime in the near-ish future, even tho yes it might take 5 years, it might take 30, but ive got time on my side at nearly age 31.. and Im no stranger to even talking up in commissioner meetings, nor knowing how people think and how to influence that. (I'm all too aware of the much more popular the Ocklawaha/ rodman dam removal fight is... but that's All the way up in NE florida/ would mainly impact silver river up to Jacksonville, far from my most cherished regions which lie along the gulf coast/ especially the Nature coast. But I do know there's strong proponents for/ against it, which probably slows down progress But unlike Rodman dam, I Know For Sure there's people in Sarasota who visit Yankeetown to enjoy unspoiled nature (from talking to a server at the yankeetown nature Inn or whatever it's called) & plenty of people who would care about manatees being able to go up the rainbow river, among other fish migrations and cleaning up lake rousseau area and the river delta (Benett creek was full of algae when I visited)...unlike rodman dam which is super poverty striken Putnam County, why would the state remove a dam there... yes I know probably too much nutrient input and water withdrawals even without the lock & dam, but have to start Somewhere. I have no doubt that the unnatural application of herbicides in Lake Rousseau and ocassional releasing all that muck & nutrients into the gulf + tidal action stirring it up (along with the lower withlacoochee just having less sediment and freshwater in general due to the blockage) since 1909 definitely has hampered it compared to what it Could be
Fishing would be better if the dams were removed. They have disturbed the migration of native species. I don't understand the fisherman who want the dams to stay despite the fact that the barge canal ceased production. If the canal was completed it would be used to move commercial oil. That would eventually have an accident that runs into everything in central FL. Dunnellon, Citrus, Marion to the st. Johns river.
As a fisherman, theres nothing I want more than a big Rodman damn striped bass. The environmentalist in me always trumps the anger. Restoring natural flow will always benefit the environment
der kunstler As it was designed no it could not but once it was cut all the way thru changing the width and depth would be easy and very little environmental impact. Shipping companies would pay millions in passage fees to Florida annually. That’s a lot of revenue for the people of Florida.
@@beboboymann3823 Cutting a massive canal through the center of the state has very little environmental impact? Lol any basic education would inform you of the massive devastation to the natural flow of water in the southern region of the state due to Canal digging and draining of "useless swampland". We live in 2020 we have planes trains and automobiles. This was a pointless project from the very beginning.
Lockiel Hodgson Nice to jump in there with an opinion that shows you did not take the time to read my post. Of course cutting the canal in would have huge environmental impact. My post was addressing the point made by someone else that the canal, as designed, was not an efficient design to accommodate large ships. My point was that after the canal had been built that widening it would not be as devastating to the environment as the original project.
beboboy mann I read every word and your point makes no sense. There are environmental repercussion even if the canal was completed and made deeper/larger. How else am I supposed to interpret your own words “easy and very little environmental impact”
I live right down the road from the reservoir! great video! Its a huge high rise bridge in the middle of the swamp over a giant canal...and the reservoir is a cool place to boat around in...when it has water in it. sometimes it goes dry as a bone other times its filled with water. All based on the canal locks I assume because the reservoir level is definitely controlled by some means where it feeds from the St Jhons
I guess at the time? But yes what a waste especially since it would have been scientifically useful despite fears it would "destroy the world" which lets face it was the real reason dumb-dumbs in the deep south axed it... Even when CERN in Switzerland went online people thought this would happen... And then they realized it would have taken a device several hundred fold times more larger and powerful for even the slightest risk of that happening and now its used all the time with gleeful abandon...
Tbf. The amount of cargo that could us that canal compared to trucks would be beneficial for the environment. I’d rather see 1 boat pushing 6 barges moving product than see 250 more trucks running around moving that same amount of product.
Get rid of the dam! Conserving nature in turn conserves us as a species. Money and human's 'wants' should be second priority. Survival of nature is what we 'need'
If they breach the Damn the springs will flow again potentially lowering the aquifer in Marion County. It makes sense to have that reserve they can drain it any time with the damn in place. Saying boats will not be in Fla's future is a weak argument against the damn
Yup! Believe me, people don't go to Florida for realism. Far from it, it's a place of escapism both in literal and figurative terms... Just like people who want to save Central Park from development in NYC not realizing the park is an entirely man-made and 100% cultivated space that doesn't resemble natural Manhattan in any way shape or form...
I moved down from North Carolina in 2020 and in N.C. we don’t dam a river unless we build a power plant on it to make electricity which benefits thousands of homes and businesses and medical facilities. So being an immigrant here so to speak I really don’t or shouldn’t have an opinion. I can see both sides. If the dams and locks are all blown to smithereens that in my opinion has its own set of problems I guess. Will the free flowing rivers then be deep enough to support boating or will the impounded water settle into swamps and the entire network not support boating? I don’t know. How about the people who in good faith saved and invested in water front property suddenly see the water’s edge retreat out of site leaving their investment wiped out? I don’t know. What about riverside restaurants would they become creekside restaurants? Again, I don’t know but to be fair to the people who invested in waterside homes and restaurants and marinas and campgrounds….will they be destroyed financially? Again, I do not know. Maybe those advocating blasting the dams and locks need to invest some time and money into a visual production of the aftermath of the adjustment to the rivers and reservoirs so it would be more understandable. Of course all associated costs would need to be revealed. Then put it on the ballot and and let all Floridians vote yea or nay to eliminating the dams and locks. I’m just trying to understand.
I dont think it would ever be the same again after all those trees have been cut down and drowned,surely it can never go back to it's natural state,with all the changes that have taken place. If the wild life has adapted to it I dont know if we should change it again,finish the canal so we can have a shortcut across the state?
what about the wildlife that simply can not exist without the reservoir. what about them..we did this..we owe it to the animals who figured it out..to leave it alone.
The project should have been completed. What a disgusting waste of all the money and labor, only to let the locks, bridges, etc. just sit there now. The right of way is still there, and I would support finishing the canal.
Not even a mention of the western end of the canal and how they cut the Withlacootchie river in half, built a damn and a spillway and locks and redirected it, forming lake Rousau. (Sp).
The Cross Florida Barge Canal Is Awesome!!!
There is a canal in Florida that was 90% built but never completed. It was called the Addison Canal and it was to connect the upper St John's River basin with the Indian River in Titusville. It would have allowed steamers of the era (1905) to go farther up the St Johns past Enterprise and reach the ocean. The last 10% wasn't completed because the builders couldn't get past a cocina bluff and ran out of money. When they refinanced, they attempted to blast their way through the bluff to reach the Indian River and again ran out of money before they could finish. All attempts to complete the canal stopped after that. The canal is still very much visible and under certain conditions, backwash from heavy rain can work up the canal and flood parts of Titusville. If you want to see where the company ran out of money you can hike in the Brevard County Enchanted Forest and see the cocina ravine they built. They came within a mile of the Indian River.
Wow. I would say that's the most typical FL thing I've ever heard. But I read in a book recently (about societal collapses) that they destroyed a remote NW Australian river by damming & irrigating intended for Multiple crops in the 1930s, but they only ended up growing cotton and it failed within a decade. Several other crops are apparently grown now, but it's never recouped the cost of river alterations.... but even in FL I've seen driving around "ghost town" suburbs- places in middle of nowhere they tried to make tons of money by quickly converting wild areas to suburbs and it never took off. It's almost like mother nature saying "not today, this is what you get you selfish little ____" 😂
very, very interesting- I grew up in Miami , then 2 years in the navy at Jacksonville- I should have come across that- just read a bunch about it--fascinating--thanks for your comment.
@@SuperSawyerg If you drive I-95 with any frequency, there is a sign where the highway passes over west of Titusville. Technically the canal was "disconnected" when Douglas Aircraft built a factory during WW2 next to the new airbase in 1943. That factory is now Knights Armament
Good video. It’s short, sweet, balanced and to the point. I got on the Ocklawaha last week and videoed the 5 hour cruise at close to the drawdown.
From what I understand hydrilla is invasive space in species Florida
Set the river free, let nature take it back.
I grew up in central FL in the 50's and early 60's and remember all the talk about the canal. Most people were for it back then. The joke was , will south FL float away from the rest of the state once its cut loose.
NOPE JUST BROWARD.
will friar Broward floated away intellectually years ago.
South Florida is already an island. The only thing connecting us the rest of Florida is I-95, I-75, US 1, US 27, Florida Turnpike, and all other road bridges that passes over the Okeechobee Waterway. The following Florida counties fall into this. Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Monroe, Collier, Martin, half of Lee, part of Hendry, and part of Glades counties.
The Rainbow river guy (gave me a shuttle for kayaking in yankeetown, I didn't tell you this, it's very wild out there/ proceed at your own caution 😂) that he told me apparently guys/ fishers Did fight against the building of the canal, but it was like "what are you going to do against big money?" Believe I even heard something about burning fishers' boats. But of course apparently drugs have entered yankeetown area/ he raised his family in Dunnellon, but that seems to be anywhere there's very bad poverty/ drugs find their way in eventually... but no doubt whether it's "cursed" or not because of the lock/ dam or canal alterations, the river Would be healthier without the unnatural blockages for several reasons, and I likely will take steps to fight it sometime in the near-ish future, even tho yes it might take 5 years, it might take 30, but ive got time on my side at nearly age 31.. and Im no stranger to even talking up in commissioner meetings, nor knowing how people think and how to influence that. (I'm all too aware of the much more popular the Ocklawaha/ rodman dam removal fight is... but that's All the way up in NE florida/ would mainly impact silver river up to Jacksonville, far from my most cherished regions which lie along the gulf coast/ especially the Nature coast. But I do know there's strong proponents for/ against it, which probably slows down progress But unlike Rodman dam, I Know For Sure there's people in Sarasota who visit Yankeetown to enjoy unspoiled nature (from talking to a server at the yankeetown nature Inn or whatever it's called) & plenty of people who would care about manatees being able to go up the rainbow river, among other fish migrations and cleaning up lake rousseau area and the river delta (Benett creek was full of algae when I visited)...unlike rodman dam which is super poverty striken Putnam County, why would the state remove a dam there... yes I know probably too much nutrient input and water withdrawals even without the lock & dam, but have to start Somewhere. I have no doubt that the unnatural application of herbicides in Lake Rousseau and ocassional releasing all that muck & nutrients into the gulf + tidal action stirring it up (along with the lower withlacoochee just having less sediment and freshwater in general due to the blockage) since 1909 definitely has hampered it compared to what it Could be
Fishing would be better if the dams were removed. They have disturbed the migration of native species.
I don't understand the fisherman who want the dams to stay despite the fact that the barge canal ceased production. If the canal was completed it would be used to move commercial oil. That would eventually have an accident that runs into everything in central FL. Dunnellon, Citrus, Marion to the st. Johns river.
Its a fish migration check point.
As a fisherman, theres nothing I want more than a big Rodman damn striped bass. The environmentalist in me always trumps the anger. Restoring natural flow will always benefit the environment
When Karen's strike!
"You see the hydro." Great point jowls :/
Eff it! Finish the canal!
Take down the dam. It is killing the Ocklawaha, Silver Springs and literally dozens of other springs in the watershed.
It didnt dwarf the panama canal. It was only a barge canal and could not accommodate large ships
But much longer
der kunstler As it was designed no it could not but once it was cut all the way thru changing the width and depth would be easy and very little environmental impact. Shipping companies would pay millions in passage fees to Florida annually. That’s a lot of revenue for the people of Florida.
@@beboboymann3823 Cutting a massive canal through the center of the state has very little environmental impact? Lol any basic education would inform you of the massive devastation to the natural flow of water in the southern region of the state due to Canal digging and draining of "useless swampland". We live in 2020 we have planes trains and automobiles. This was a pointless project from the very beginning.
Lockiel Hodgson Nice to jump in there with an opinion that shows you did not take the time to read my post. Of course cutting the canal in would have huge environmental impact. My post was addressing the point made by someone else that the canal, as designed, was not an efficient design to accommodate large ships. My point was that after the canal had been built that widening it would not be as devastating to the environment as the original project.
beboboy mann I read every word and your point makes no sense. There are environmental repercussion even if the canal was completed and made deeper/larger. How else am I supposed to interpret your own words “easy and very little environmental impact”
I live right down the road from the reservoir! great video! Its a huge high rise bridge in the middle of the swamp over a giant canal...and the reservoir is a cool place to boat around in...when it has water in it. sometimes it goes dry as a bone other times its filled with water. All based on the canal locks I assume because the reservoir level is definitely controlled by some means where it feeds from the St Jhons
They draw it down intentionally every 3-4 years to kill off excess vegetation. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodman_Reservoir
That will be the Army Corp of Engineers that control the water level like with Lake Okeechobee
Finishing the canal it would make a huge impact on state funding incase of disaster relief efforts
I disagree. The biggest federal project to be cancelled before finishing was the Superconducting Super-Collider in Texas.
I guess at the time? But yes what a waste especially since it would have been scientifically useful despite fears it would "destroy the world" which lets face it was the real reason dumb-dumbs in the deep south axed it... Even when CERN in Switzerland went online people thought this would happen... And then they realized it would have taken a device several hundred fold times more larger and powerful for even the slightest risk of that happening and now its used all the time with gleeful abandon...
Tbf. The amount of cargo that could us that canal compared to trucks would be beneficial for the environment. I’d rather see 1 boat pushing 6 barges moving product than see 250 more trucks running around moving that same amount of product.
Bingo! Americans will never get it. Danish and Dutch? Of course! Canals are the nations life-bloods and commercial arteries to this very day!
I have been here my whole life,That garbage needs to go,Yesterday!
Who'd uh thought they'd have a Karen for a spoke's person
Get rid of the dam! Conserving nature in turn conserves us as a species. Money and human's 'wants' should be second priority. Survival of nature is what we 'need'
Some of the best boating in Florida. Leave the dam and lock alone.
Except the dam is at the end of it's life span. Rebuild for hundreds of millions of dollars? Or just remove it and restore the river. We will see.
Thanks for another great informative vid
If they breach the Damn the springs will flow again potentially lowering the aquifer in Marion County. It makes sense to have that reserve they can drain it any time with the damn in place. Saying boats will not be in Fla's future is a weak argument against the damn
"Natural tourists attraction"
its man made
Florida in a nutshell
Yup! Believe me, people don't go to Florida for realism. Far from it, it's a place of escapism both in literal and figurative terms... Just like people who want to save Central Park from development in NYC not realizing the park is an entirely man-made and 100% cultivated space that doesn't resemble natural Manhattan in any way shape or form...
So stupid to judge nature based on how pretty it looks. Forest fires dont loook pretty either but it all grows back and life returns.
Why the stupid music?
I moved down from North Carolina in 2020 and in N.C. we don’t dam a river unless we build a power plant on it to make electricity which benefits thousands of homes and businesses and medical facilities. So being an immigrant here so to speak I really don’t or shouldn’t have an opinion. I can see both sides. If the dams and locks are all blown to smithereens that in my opinion has its own set of problems I guess. Will the free flowing rivers then be deep enough to support boating or will the impounded water settle into swamps and the entire network not support boating? I don’t know. How about the people who in good faith saved and invested in water front property suddenly see the water’s edge retreat out of site leaving their investment wiped out? I don’t know. What about riverside restaurants would they become creekside restaurants? Again, I don’t know but to be fair to the people who invested in waterside homes and restaurants and marinas and campgrounds….will they be destroyed financially? Again, I do not know. Maybe those advocating blasting the dams and locks need to invest some time and money into a visual production of the aftermath of the adjustment to the rivers and reservoirs so it would be more understandable. Of course all associated costs would need to be revealed. Then put it on the ballot and and let all Floridians vote yea or nay to eliminating the dams and locks. I’m just trying to understand.
I dont think it would ever be the same again after all those trees have been cut down and drowned,surely it can never go back to it's natural state,with all the changes that have taken place. If the wild life has adapted to it I dont know if we should change it again,finish the canal so we can have a shortcut across the state?
Finish the canal start job up
Let keep damn folks pay for upkeep. Mitigation bank would more than pay for restoration. From 5th Gen floridian.
what about the wildlife that simply can not exist without the reservoir. what about them..we did this..we owe it to the animals who figured it out..to leave it alone.
The project should have been completed. What a disgusting waste of all the money and labor, only to let the locks, bridges, etc. just sit there now. The right of way is still there, and I would support finishing the canal.
See that's what I think! Especially if people were truly eco-minded. Taking freight off the road is more eco-friendly than anything else!
Believe in Jesus Christ to give you eternal life be blessed
So in this case? WWJD? He was a fisherman after all... Thoughts?
@@stickynorth Jesus is a carpenter is disciples are fisherman.