In her book "The Spiritual Child," Lisa Miller explains, "Spirituality is an inner sense of relationship to a higher power that is loving and guiding. The word we give to this higher power might be God, nature, spirit, the universe, the creator, or other words that represent a divine presence. But the important point is that spirituality encompasses our relationship and dialogue with this higher presence... This two-way spiritual dialogue may or may not include religion." To watch more from Lisa Miller, check out our other video: How spirituality protects your brain from despair ua-cam.com/video/T0GETX5_VJ4/v-deo.html
You can find a longer excerpt from "The Spiritual Child" (including the quote above) here: www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/excerpt-from-the-spiritual-child-by-dr-lisa-miller-1.3361911
So your or her definition of spirituality is the voice in our head? If the thing you wanted didn’t work out and something else did “you were being guided” ??????? It must have been my quest to understand the role of “the Templeton Foundation” has on The Well and Big Think. I think I will pivot to my Door of a new color and rethink my relationships with The Well and Big Think. Maybe their doors are red and my “quest angle” is sending me to logic and reason.
@@charlesbrightman4237 I have learned this too in medical studies. But empirically shown people who love and are being loved are protected from heart Attacks and sudden death. The heart is much more than a muscle and virually driven by sympathicus and parasympaticus nerve impulses arising from distress and peaceful emotions.
Ideas of philosophers, self reflection and meditation give me all the answers I need. There should be a renaissance of philosophy rather than “spirituality“/religion.
Or better yet, there should be a renaissance of presence and personal power. We seem to have forgotten that we all have a free will, and we can be co-creators of our own lives, alongside God, the divine, the universe, love etc. The only wisdom required for your survival is innate, not external
This and much more was said by Plotin or Master Eckhart ages ago. The key is to see their theories as complementary. Like pieces of a puzzle. That is, you don‘t need to complete the whole puzzle to see the motif.
Even though I agree with the overall message of this video, I really dislike the mind-heart dichotomy. "The heart" despite all romantic notions is also inclined to let us tap fully into cognitive biases, common fallacies and dogmas of all sorts. It's how religion instrumentalised faith. "Listen to you heart" is not the road to spiritual truth, but to emotional obedience. True spirituality incorporates the whole of the experience - mind & heart.
I agree with what you said. In various traditions, we see how the "heart" is troubling. In Eastern traditions, it might be said we create a lot of unnecessary suffering. And what creates this suffering? Negative emotions. So, at its best, we need to learn how to recognize these emotions, "dance" with them, and then let them go. In philosophical logic and stoicism, we find a similar sentiment. Different starting point and different questions asked, but a similar goal or idea. To not allow emotions to get the better of us. To be more logical. To see negative emotions as pointless. Such as Seneca's famous quote, "We suffer much more in our imagination than our reality." Using an extension of the Stoics, we can see the psychological therapy school of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Here, similar emotional biases and logical fallacies (Bandwagon, Strawman, Line-Drawing, etc.) are now named "Cognitive Distortions". You are still using emotions and sentiment to argue with yourself and others. And create distortions such as Catastrophizing, Overgeneralization, and Either/Or (All or Nothing) among others. The essence of this therapy is the same -- get to the emotions that are causing irrational thought that, in turn, creates irrational, unwanted, and undesirable behavior. So, I am with you. That is a fine line that speaker and others are walking, where it is so easy to wind up in places you don't want to go in the first place.
You say the heart is also inclinded to tap into biases, fallacies, dogmas, etc. However, those are really the result of our instincts and emotions. Those fallacies do not come from (deep) long lasting feeling, but from learned coping mechanisms and patterns that we are unaware of, which were originally created at an early age to protect us from harm. Those patterns are executed so naturally and fast by the subconscious mind, that in the conscious mind we usually interpret them as our nature, our character, what we want, what we need, who we are. But when we follow their directions, we listen to our subconscious survival system instead of our heart. We are definitely prone to biases, fallacies and dogmas, but you are pointing towards the wrong point of origin for them. Of course, very few people understand this, because currently very few people have consciously experienced the difference, nor have they put in the time to research and understand it. This can make it terribly confusing and frustrating to talk about the (proverbial) heart, especially when most people only listen to it from an egotistical standpoint, which is where attacks on our most ‘valued’ biases are felt, and where we get defensive and dogmatic in our reactions. Listening to your heart, apart from needing to connect it with your thinking, is something that most people first need to learn and develop because our society currently raises and educates us in very inadecuate ways that leads us to suffer the unconscious dictatorship of our survival mechanisms. Once you are able to pierce through that veil just a little bit, you begin to see the much bigger picture that it keeps hidden.
Overall I think she did make space for what you criticized. I thought the final message was inclusive of how our mind and heart can lead us to fulfillment.
@@mh60648 how can you know, if I'm pointing to the wrong origin, if you don't ask me where I'm pointing to? :) Generally - I believe - the issue lies in making distinctions and creating dichotomies, where non should be. Dividing into thinking and feeling introduces a confusion, that is not helped by further emphasising that we should identify with or focus on one side or the other. You don't dissolve a border, by spending more time on the other side of the line. No matter how valuable it may be to familiarise yourself with unknown territory. If the goal is to see things for what they are, - holistically - you erase separation all together. You don't emphasise it.
Yeah, but did you watch the video and listen to what this woman has to say? Intellectually, one has to leave room for spirituality having some kind of evolutionary value for human beings. Otherwise, how can one explain the pervasiveness of religious beliefs (particularly that of an afterlife) and practices (particularly abstentions from dangerous behavior, and rituals) throughout human history all over the globe?
@@TheSingularitarian I did watch the video. I personally don't believe in god, spirits, or souls. This person claims people need to have some spiritual journey to find purpose and happiness and that depression and mid-life crisis are some sort of starting off point for those journeys. I disagree whole heartedly. Spirituality is a catch all phrase for believing in some sort of religion, which implies blind faith, lack of evidence, and an incomplete understanding. Evolution is a scientific theory proven to be true through evidence based observation.
@@ethanvance3834respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Spirituality does not equal organised religion. To piggyback off what you were saying about the definition of spirituality, the problem is that personal meaning and purpose require blind faith and incomplete understanding since there is no empirical basis for these things. Therefore, since depression and many of its comorbid conditions are often either caused or exacerbated by a feeling of meaninglessness and purposelessness, and arguably the human psyche is evolved for spirituality, it is really important in modern society to engage with a personal spirituality seriously. Whether that leads you to believing in a supernatural or not doesn't matter. If you are doing anything at all, you have a religion and equally if you believe everything is meaningless you have a religion since each case is based on unjustified total faith in a stance on a universe that we do not fully understand. I think this is more what she was saying, even if the message got lost a bit
This is only true when you mix religion with government/ politics. Being non spiritual in personal life might be a biiiiig mistake and self 'mutilation'.
My grandparents grew up through wars, genocides, famines but that didn't turn them to be religious or spiritual in any shape or form and yet they were the kindest, the most moral and the best humans that I have ever known. Big Think and The Well used to be reasonable sources of information but lately started to invite all sorts of religious nuts. Humanity doesn't need religion or spirituality in order to be kind, moral or good. But I can understand why there's a "spiritual awakening". In majority of western countries it's all due to the cuts and privatisation of welfare, health and social services. Everything these days is about profits and dividends of very few and impoverishment of the rest. What humanity need is fair share of the resources and all will be good. I'll go a bit further, I'm a father of three beautiful children and one of them is the kindest person alive but not due to religious or spiritual beliefs but rather due to the immense value of life, because they (not a pronoun, rather animosity) almost lost their life in a battle with illnesses related to premature birth on one side and on another side, a barrage of doctors telling us that we should let them go or the outcome will result in almost a vegetative state.
I agree. I also think they people are depressed mostly because of being disconnected with other humans. The loneliness epidemic is the problem, not lack of religion. Capitalism is not compatible with life and it's killing people's happiness.
I think this is a cool perspective to bring to the table. I would counter by saying the spiritual traditions offer us the most reliable practices, techniques, and lifestyles which optimally increase our value for life and becoming an authentically virtuous individual. It’s the most reliable way to get humans to genuinely feel a sense of interconnectedness with all that exists which then naturally leads to kindness care and many virtues . We shouldn’t have to wait for tragedy to shape us in positive ways. True spirituality offers meaningful connection to nature to god and to other humans. It’s the type of culture we need to become a better species I agree the loneliness epidemic is super harmful. But I don’t think it’s either or between that and spirituality. In fact one thing that can deeply bond a community of people is sharing sacred experiences thru ritual practices
Thank you for posting this. I find it helpful and informative. Spirituality gives me comfort, hope and guidance. It gives me a deeper perspective to the world.
The problem is that people misidentify spirituality with religion. And I think religion can be a beneficial , it’s when dogma takes over the religion that it turns bad.
"We're the middle children of the history man, no purpose or place, we have no Great war, no Great depression, our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives" Tyler Durden would be proud if so
Virtually Everytime I get a wish denied and I cam accept it, sonewhat thinking"Thy will be done", something good, something surprisingly intense is about to Happen. If I cling autistically to my wishfull thinking, humiliation and the like are a likely outcome....
Spirituality does not necessarily mean the organised religions. A person can be spiritual alongside being irreligious. The organised religions have been used to justify heinous activities too, so they can not be said to be the only ways of spirituality. As an agnostic-atheist, I see life as a spiritual journey
I'm a fan of Lisa Miller's work -- the importance of her messages about spirituality cannot be overstated in today's world. But I disagree that the further separation that she mentions, which was a continuation of the separation of church and state, was the sole or even most salient reason we lost spirituality collectively. That separation was, at root, not a separation of government and religion per se, but a separation of Christianity from government, so that Christianity wouldn’t continue to dominate American society. It was an attempt to curtail Christian hegemony in American politics and culture. And if we look at what some groups within American Christianity are doing now, imposing their minority views and attitudes on the majority of us, I'd say that was a wise move on the part of the founders and the continued movement toward inclusivity. What is more, if we take a historical lens, we see that Western Christianity -- which was functionally re-formed into a branch of imperialism and conquest after the conversion of the Roman emperor Constantine -- was itself one of the major reasons spirituality, and other modalities/groups of spirituality, were eradicated or suppressed in the first place. That imperialist, hierarchical mentality of Christianity is the driving force behind the global loss of collective spirituality that we all need to heal from, overcome, and transform.
Thank you for this video. It came at the most opportune time for me. Earlier this morning, I had been thinking about similar concept as red door vs yellow door and separately googling Lisa Miller on spirituality. Lo and behold! A video that combined both things I was searching for appeared!
I like to think of religions as schools. The end goal of each one is to graduate its student (enlighten them). But we humans, being the way we are, have leveraged on the segregation and caused this idea of division. We must learn to embrace the teachings, and ponder on the wisdom provided by our own set of eyes. True freedom always lies only one step away.
I got out of depression thanks to spirituality. I see spirituality as a spectrum where most people are in the middle. I was on the lower end thats why i felt depressed
Such a challenging topic to navigate and she did an amazing job doing so. As a "recovering catholic" I was tense initially considering this POV, but can see how this focus on "spirituality" is about bridges across individual meaning + fulfillment and not organized religion. Phew!
Regarding spirituality, i think it's helpful to think if phrases like "a mean spirited joke" or "everyone was in good spirits" etc. People generally think that usage is completely different, but I don't think so at all. To me they are intrinsically tied together
Beliefs (religious, spiritual) comes from a desire to know & understand. Having these personal truths, in whatever way you see fit, in a nation where freedom of thought is protected is necessary. However this is where science literacy comes in.. keep your personal truths, but i present to you objective truths, which are truths that science discovers. These are things that are true whether or not you believe in them. I recommend to everybody 3 books.. (Origins by Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson) (Evolution Vol. 2 by Dr. Alice Roberts) (This Will Make You Smarter by John Brockman)
I actually appreciate The Well for posting this interview as it did get me thinking. However, I have problems with what the speaker said. This is disjointed, disconnect. Are these parts of an interview edited together? Usually, in any kind of community (spiritual or otherwise) one has to adhere to the same dogma everyone else in the group adheres to or they are shunned or cast out. If she just means by spiritual the idea or feeling that all life on the planet is interconnected, maybe people have that feeling, but that doesn't keep them from being isolated, especially during times of crisis. (Nor does that necessitate that we believe we are all children of God. That is her metaphysical assumption she is foisting on everyone else.) Only a support group of friends or family members helps with isolation. I studied religion in college. She is picking up on one type or definition of a religious community: that created by shared myth and ritual (Streng). I now realize today that definition idealized such a community. We don't all share the same beliefs. Today, most find it difficult to follow ritual they find meaningless (as we did when we recited prayers in church when we were small that we didn't even understand the meaning of). Also, many people do not feel everything is interconnected, or they don’t care; they merely want as large of a slice of the pie as they can get, no matter what it does to other people or the planet. A belief that everything is interconnected does not protect anyone from these people and the systems they create and support.
But she is going beyond this. She has metaphysical assumptions behind what she is saying, assumptions that only a privileged person could believe because their socio-economic conditions allow such beliefs, such as that we are on a quest (warmed over Joseph Campbell), and we have a trail angel guiding us (New Age religion). If she dispensed with those assumptions and merely said that we all have to find a reason to keep going on in order to survive adversity, likely no one would disagree with her. I also disagree that the separation of church and state gets rid of pluralism and does not allow people to share their spiritual practices. Rather, it protects and supports this. It allows everyone to believe what they want to believe. Some adults don't talk about spiritual practices these days because they don't belong to any religious tradition, or they don’t know much about the tradition they belong to. Some have a materialistic viewpoint. That is their metaphysical belief, whether they realize it or not. It might be better to teach people about assumptions (metaphysical or otherwise), so they are aware of these and can better critique their own beliefs. Also, why would anyone pray if they don't believe in a wholly other God? (In the various traditions, there are several different types of Gods, by the way.) And when many people pray, they often pray to get what they want from a supernatural parent. Why is that a good thing to do? That may be comforting, at least until they don’t get what they want. Again, most religious traditions encourage people to pray to be able to have the strength to survive whatever catastrophe is befalling them or to be able to accept the will of God or fate. People meditate all the time, but they have no religious beliefs, nor do they need them to meditate. I agree with her that it is sad that many people do not read works written by religious figures, but not because these works should be used as a source of morality (which often results in using them to support their own bigotry rather than morality). I have done a great deal of reading in religion and philosophy and literature myself (as well as other academic disciplines). I found such knowledge important and necessary for survival. She is correct that there are points in our lives where everything is thrown into chaos and we become depressed, and we must work our way around these and that these have the potential to become times of growth (if they don’t destroy us); this is an insight of existential philosophy, and as Shakespeare and many others have noted, suffering may make us feel more empathy for the sufferings of others. The heart should not guide the head. Human beings are irrational enough as it is. It isn’t necessarily good to say that our emotions should decide what we believe and how we act. What if we are filled with anger and hatred and bigotry? Moreover, she is using language very imprecisely. The heart does not know what is true. The heart is an organ that pumps blood around your body. Our emotions don’t reside in our heart although our emotions can speed up our heart or slow it down. Also, to be envious or jealous or never-satisfied-in most religious traditions or even most psychological theories or moral systems, these are usually not considered positive emotions. Advertisers play on these to get us to become mass consumers. Rarely, if ever, is any good obtained by comparing ourselves to others and feeling envious or jealous or wanting more. Nor do people feel satisfied when they obtain what they want. In fact, this insight, our ceaseless desire to pursue goals that, once obtained, leave us empty, do not fulfill us, is the major insight of most religions she initially laments the loss of. Then she jumps to a mystical experience that we need to have in order to decide whether to marry or travel. A mystical experience is not necessary to make such decisions. Intuition, knowing ourselves (something Socrates endorsed), is important in making decisions about what we choose to do that we will find compatible with our real needs versus what we think we want, but this does not require mysticism. She is correct that we do not have control over what happens in our life. But when we encounter obstacles, we don’t necessarily end up with something better than what we originally wanted. Instead, again, many religious traditions and most philosophy councils that we need to learn to be content with what we have. In fact, one of the things it is said that we need to do in order not to end up bitter and disillusioned in old age is to rationalize our decisions, as Robert Frost says, the road we have taken, so we are content rather than bitter and disillusioned about all the aspects of ourselves that were not capable of being realized. If I remember correctly, Paul Tillich, a famous theologian, wrote about this inability to realize potential and acceptance of this in his works. Maybe what she is offering here is the rationalization Frost suggested in his poem, which is an illusion. To me, open-eyed acceptance of the limitations we encountered (as Tillich suggests) is probably more psychologically healthy. Tillich calls this the tragic vision of life. This is a disjointed piece with many paragraphs because this interview is disjointed. Maybe it was originally a much longer interview and material was cut out. I find myself having the same reaction as I did when I was assigned in college an article by Alan Watts that I had to critique. Like Watts, this interview blends together all kinds of terminology and metaphysical beliefs that are imprecise, incompatible, and don’t blend well.
I was wondering when “Templeton” was going to bring in “spirituality”. I would like to see spirituality defined. When is a moment of awe or the feeling of purpose spiritual?
When you come to realize that there is a higher power, intelligence and wisdom then your ego and that you can by many ways commune with HER ior HIM in a spirit of humbleness and mindfulness.
The analysis at the beginning is amazing, if you ask me. The whole thing worthwhile. It seems rare to find discussion about the chasm between the individual and the group. This discusses it quite well
Our society has been so alienated from reason that that's why there is no spirituality. There are no limits to reason. Reason extends to even the domain of spirituality but we are so immature philosophically that no one can even begin to see this. She says that its a bad thing that people haven't been asked to pray or meditate. I say that praying and meditation are the most destructive forces on the planet. Humans thrive when we become rational. When humans are irrational, they suffer. Praying and meditation are irrational. Things today that aren't going well are not going well because of the level of irrationality associated with them. No one has ever gotten smarter or more powerful from praying or meditation. But people getting smarter is the only thing that allowed humans to leave the caves and become the most extraordinary species. There's no such thing as a heart with wisdom that the head doesn't have. She is only recognizing empiricism as the mechanism of rationality when empiricism is philosophically contradictory to reason.
@@meltingintoair7581 that's a different framing than i would have thought of myself. Much to think about, for which im thankful. I can think, however, of a number of forces more destructive than praying and meditation
I guess I should be surprised such subjective gibberish would be given any credence, but investing in BS is just who we have become and i certainly isn't due to collective spiritual bankruptcy. In fact, there is a strong argument that spirituality has been so perverted by its membership that its becoming unreliable and therefore rejected.
Read the bible helps me with my anxiety .. words of atrenght gives me strenght .. i think Lot of Ppl Have no mental health bc of the lack os spirituality ... We Have to learn tô Have faith again
Her research is interesting, but there's a problem: some of us can't believe BS no matter how psychologically beneficial it might be. Learning about the natural world, studying comparative religion, and understanding human psychology are all good reasons to seriously doubt that spirituality is anything other than a coping mechanism.
This is an unbelievable take on the inequalities that are causing a majority of these issues. Not to mention spirituality is based in the belief that something beyond this world exists. I'm very disappointed in the content I'm seeing from Big think. As I continue to see these. Christian underpinnings creeping more and more into their content.
Christianity is a religion. Religion is not solely Christianity. Religion comes with dogma, spirituality is knowledge of self and awareness of interconnectedness. Christianity makes people small minded (believers or not), that’s why you immediately went there instead of considering the bigger picture.
We didn't ''lose'' collective spirituality, because collective spirituality doesn't actually exist. Individual spirituality exists at the behest of the individual. And even then it is usually misunderstood due to collective influences (e.g. cultural biases and influences). What is needed is collective intelligence, which is out there for everyone to experience, if they put their focus onto it. This video is just another attempt to get people to misunderstand the influences of ''traditional religions'', possibly the worst direction that humankind could move toward. It would be a retrograde movement for individuals to do so. So don't do it. Set your ''sights'' on seeking to connect with the Intelliverse of knowledge, rather than spend time with old paradigms.
The key point for me is not about a spiritual quest. It's about the loss of spirituality and religious experience as valid and useful in contemporary culture. We threw out the baby of God with the bathwater of extremism and fundamentalism, and it's a shame.
Who and/or What Am I? Do 'I' even exist? Consider the following: a. I am a human as defined by humans. b. I am an energy based quarkelectronian as modern science claims that all matter is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy and I am made up of matter and interacting energy. c. I am a being of 'light', 'if' my current theory of everything is correct whereby the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in this universe, including space, time and numbers. (Currently dependent upon the results of my gravity test). d. "I" do not even actually exist but eternally existent space time exists as me, currently in the forms as above. * I exist and yet "I" simultaneously do not exist, dependent upon perspective. But yet, do "I" not truly exist in absolute truth reality as only eternally existent space time exists as all things in absolute truth reality? * "I" can mentally change between perspectives thereby experiencing existence from those various perspectives. "My" mind continues to expand, but is it truly 'my' mind that is expanding or is it eternally existent space time's mind that is expanding? In absolute truth reality, it would seem to be the later. * 'To Be or Not To Be'. I am both, 'I Am and I Am Not.' But I Am Not it appears more than I Am. * Consider also: If asked the general question, 'What do you know?'. My current answer would be, 'Not much compared to all that can be known.' (I Am Not, More than I Am). It's humbling. * Is it truly any wonder that the flow of energy in the universe affects species? We are the universe experiencing itself. * Question: If 'I' never actually existed in the first place, how could 'I' ever die?
Our society has been so alienated from reason that that's why there is no spirituality. There are no limits to reason. Reason extends to even the domain of spirituality but we are so immature philosophically that no one can even begin to see this. She says that its a bad thing that people haven't been asked to pray or meditate. I say that praying and meditation are the most destructive forces on the planet. Humans thrive when we become rational. When humans are irrational, they suffer. Praying and meditation are irrational. Things today that aren't going well are not going well because of the level of irrationality associated with them. No one has ever gotten smarter or more powerful from praying or meditation. But people getting smarter is the only thing that allowed humans to leave the caves and become the most extraordinary species. There's no such thing as a heart with wisdom that the head doesn't have. She is only recognizing empiricism as the mechanism of rationality when empiricism is philosophically contradictory to reason.
Rationality is not Bad but also not without Boundaries. Consider a simple question: If a barber in town shaves all men who do not shave semselves, does he shave himself? If he shaves himself, he doesn't and if he doesn't he does!😂😂😂
What about the real apparent truth that 'God' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone, the singular big bang theory is a fairy tale for various reasons, and the universe always existed in some form and never had a beginning, no creator needed? a. Modern science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence energy is eternally existent. b. An absolute somethingness cannot come from an absolute nothingness, so an absolute somethingness always existed, most probably being energy itself. c. Universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, No Creator Needed. 'a' is true, is it not? 'b' is true, is it not? If 'a' and 'b' are true, then no creator is needed in 'c'. * Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth Please see 2 more posts to you after this post: 1. God does not actually exist except for as a concept alone post. 2. 'Alternative God' post.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT: For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following: a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing. b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing. People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur. 'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'. I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". Instead of what is claimed "God created man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image". Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe basically anything at all as being really true. It has also been scientifically proven that the brain makes up stuff to 'fill in the blanks' of it's perceived reality. Technology is often needed to perceive items that are outside of the human senses' capabilities. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead. Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) even believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning. In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought? If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where? If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of. * Note: Since this is a search for the real absolute truth concerning God, Intelligent Designer, Pre-existent Consciousness, etc, feel free to copy and paste this elsewhere to further the analysis and discussion. * For those who claim God actually exists besides just as a concept, please prove that 'b' above is really true and that 'a' is not really true.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth 'GOD': FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND INSIST THAT 1 TRUE GOD EXISTS AND IS THE CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE AND ALL IN IT: (Also how the universe expands and what 'dark energy' and 'dark matter' truly are): PLEASE PROVE YOUR VERSION OF GOD IS REALLY TRUE AND THAT THIS VERSION OF GOD IS NOT REALLY TRUE: The entire universe and all in it came from the fart of a female rainbow colored unicorn. While this cannot be proven to be true, nobody can prove it not to be true either. All hail the female rainbow colored unicorn and her life giving fart. One just has to have 'faith' and 'believe' and not question 'God'. And anybody who persecutes anybody who believes the above would be guilty of religious persecution and should be punished for such. Oh and also: This 'God' said abortion is okay for any and all who want it. I and people who believe this 'faith religion', claim religious exemption from all laws making abortion illegal. And anybody who does not obey this 'God' will be dumped on throughout all of future eternity by the rainbow colored unicorn herself. She is a God of 'absolute truth'. She says that life itself from this Earth is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. She says all life from this Earth is going to die one day from something, is going to forget everything they ever knew and experienced, and are all going to be forgotten one day in future eternity as if they never ever existed at all in the first place. She says that if anybody does not like it, 'tough', she is God and that is how it is. * And recently, she also passed onto me that vaccine mandates are also up to the believers for any believers who choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason or reasons they and they alone might have. * And then she told me that anybody can own and operate any weapon at all that they desire. 🌈🦄💥☁ ALL HAIL THE FEMALE RAINBOW COLORED UNICORN AND HER LIFE GIVING FART!!! * More legal exemption requests to follow, based upon what the female rainbow colored unicorn tells me via our connection within my mind. * Oh and also, she said that anybody who sends me money and/or other wealth (since I am currently one of her representatives here upon this planet called Earth), will receive abundant benefits after they die when in 'rainbow heaven'. She said it, so it must be really true. * Spread this message far and wide around this Earth and beyond. You have my permission to copy and paste this message elsewhere to help spread the word of the 'real' God of the universe. * Added note: The expansion of the universe is due to the fart of God. This is basically just as valid as 'dark energy' coming from another dimension into this dimension and you probably don't want me to go into what 'dark matter' truly is (God's 'poop' in various forms).
@charlesbrightman4237 , who says God can be proven or disproven scientifically? No evidence don't mean it doesn't exist. We are limited in our senses and technology. Also, who says God has to be bound by natural laws and logic?
In her book "The Spiritual Child," Lisa Miller explains, "Spirituality is an inner sense of relationship to a higher power that is loving and guiding. The word we give to this higher power might be God, nature, spirit, the universe, the creator, or other words that represent a divine presence. But the important point is that spirituality encompasses our relationship and dialogue with this higher presence... This two-way spiritual dialogue may or may not include religion."
To watch more from Lisa Miller, check out our other video: How spirituality protects your brain from despair ua-cam.com/video/T0GETX5_VJ4/v-deo.html
You can find a longer excerpt from "The Spiritual Child" (including the quote above) here: www.cbc.ca/radio/tapestry/excerpt-from-the-spiritual-child-by-dr-lisa-miller-1.3361911
So your or her definition of spirituality is the voice in our head? If the thing you wanted didn’t work out and something else did “you were being guided” ??????? It must have been my quest to understand the role of “the Templeton Foundation” has on The Well and Big Think. I think I will pivot to my Door of a new color and rethink my relationships with The Well and Big Think. Maybe their doors are red and my “quest angle” is sending me to logic and reason.
The 'heart' is just a muscle that pumps blood, nothing more.
What life has shown me: Life ends in eternal death.
@@charlesbrightman4237
I have learned this too in medical studies.
But empirically shown people who love and are being loved are protected from heart Attacks and sudden death.
The heart is much more than a muscle and virually driven by sympathicus and parasympaticus nerve impulses arising from distress and peaceful emotions.
Ideas of philosophers, self reflection and meditation give me all the answers I need.
There should be a renaissance of philosophy rather than “spirituality“/religion.
Philosophy is actually spiritual. It is about exploring spiritual part of yourself
Or better yet, there should be a renaissance of presence and personal power. We seem to have forgotten that we all have a free will, and we can be co-creators of our own lives, alongside God, the divine, the universe, love etc. The only wisdom required for your survival is innate, not external
This and much more was said by Plotin or Master Eckhart ages ago. The key is to see their theories as complementary. Like pieces of a puzzle. That is, you don‘t need to complete the whole puzzle to see the motif.
A person can be spiritual without the dogma of religion.
Even though I agree with the overall message of this video, I really dislike the mind-heart dichotomy. "The heart" despite all romantic notions is also inclined to let us tap fully into cognitive biases, common fallacies and dogmas of all sorts. It's how religion instrumentalised faith. "Listen to you heart" is not the road to spiritual truth, but to emotional obedience. True spirituality incorporates the whole of the experience - mind & heart.
Trump voters listened to their heart. Passion is Latin for agony and the heart is the reason most people kill
I agree with what you said. In various traditions, we see how the "heart" is troubling.
In Eastern traditions, it might be said we create a lot of unnecessary suffering. And what creates this suffering? Negative emotions. So, at its best, we need to learn how to recognize these emotions, "dance" with them, and then let them go.
In philosophical logic and stoicism, we find a similar sentiment. Different starting point and different questions asked, but a similar goal or idea. To not allow emotions to get the better of us. To be more logical. To see negative emotions as pointless. Such as Seneca's famous quote, "We suffer much more in our imagination than our reality."
Using an extension of the Stoics, we can see the psychological therapy school of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Here, similar emotional biases and logical fallacies (Bandwagon, Strawman, Line-Drawing, etc.) are now named "Cognitive Distortions". You are still using emotions and sentiment to argue with yourself and others. And create distortions such as Catastrophizing, Overgeneralization, and Either/Or (All or Nothing) among others. The essence of this therapy is the same -- get to the emotions that are causing irrational thought that, in turn, creates irrational, unwanted, and undesirable behavior.
So, I am with you. That is a fine line that speaker and others are walking, where it is so easy to wind up in places you don't want to go in the first place.
You say the heart is also inclinded to tap into biases, fallacies, dogmas, etc. However, those are really the result of our instincts and emotions. Those fallacies do not come from (deep) long lasting feeling, but from learned coping mechanisms and patterns that we are unaware of, which were originally created at an early age to protect us from harm. Those patterns are executed so naturally and fast by the subconscious mind, that in the conscious mind we usually interpret them as our nature, our character, what we want, what we need, who we are. But when we follow their directions, we listen to our subconscious survival system instead of our heart.
We are definitely prone to biases, fallacies and dogmas, but you are pointing towards the wrong point of origin for them. Of course, very few people understand this, because currently very few people have consciously experienced the difference, nor have they put in the time to research and understand it. This can make it terribly confusing and frustrating to talk about the (proverbial) heart, especially when most people only listen to it from an egotistical standpoint, which is where attacks on our most ‘valued’ biases are felt, and where we get defensive and dogmatic in our reactions.
Listening to your heart, apart from needing to connect it with your thinking, is something that most people first need to learn and develop because our society currently raises and educates us in very inadecuate ways that leads us to suffer the unconscious dictatorship of our survival mechanisms. Once you are able to pierce through that veil just a little bit, you begin to see the much bigger picture that it keeps hidden.
Overall I think she did make space for what you criticized. I thought the final message was inclusive of how our mind and heart can lead us to fulfillment.
@@mh60648 how can you know, if I'm pointing to the wrong origin, if you don't ask me where I'm pointing to? :)
Generally - I believe - the issue lies in making distinctions and creating dichotomies, where non should be. Dividing into thinking and feeling introduces a confusion, that is not helped by further emphasising that we should identify with or focus on one side or the other. You don't dissolve a border, by spending more time on the other side of the line. No matter how valuable it may be to familiarise yourself with unknown territory.
If the goal is to see things for what they are, - holistically - you erase separation all together. You don't emphasise it.
The most important part about freedom of religion is freedom from religion.
Yeah, but did you watch the video and listen to what this woman has to say?
Intellectually, one has to leave room for spirituality having some kind of evolutionary value for human beings. Otherwise, how can one explain the pervasiveness of religious beliefs (particularly that of an afterlife) and practices (particularly abstentions from dangerous behavior, and rituals) throughout human history all over the globe?
@@TheSingularitarian I did watch the video. I personally don't believe in god, spirits, or souls. This person claims people need to have some spiritual journey to find purpose and happiness and that depression and mid-life crisis are some sort of starting off point for those journeys.
I disagree whole heartedly. Spirituality is a catch all phrase for believing in some sort of religion, which implies blind faith, lack of evidence, and an incomplete understanding. Evolution is a scientific theory proven to be true through evidence based observation.
@@ethanvance3834respectfully, I think you're missing the point. Spirituality does not equal organised religion. To piggyback off what you were saying about the definition of spirituality, the problem is that personal meaning and purpose require blind faith and incomplete understanding since there is no empirical basis for these things.
Therefore, since depression and many of its comorbid conditions are often either caused or exacerbated by a feeling of meaninglessness and purposelessness, and arguably the human psyche is evolved for spirituality, it is really important in modern society to engage with a personal spirituality seriously. Whether that leads you to believing in a supernatural or not doesn't matter. If you are doing anything at all, you have a religion and equally if you believe everything is meaningless you have a religion since each case is based on unjustified total faith in a stance on a universe that we do not fully understand. I think this is more what she was saying, even if the message got lost a bit
This is only true when you mix religion with government/ politics.
Being non spiritual in personal life might be a biiiiig mistake and self 'mutilation'.
@@ethanvance3834correct 👍
My grandparents grew up through wars, genocides, famines but that didn't turn them to be religious or spiritual in any shape or form and yet they were the kindest, the most moral and the best humans that I have ever known. Big Think and The Well used to be reasonable sources of information but lately started to invite all sorts of religious nuts. Humanity doesn't need religion or spirituality in order to be kind, moral or good. But I can understand why there's a "spiritual awakening". In majority of western countries it's all due to the cuts and privatisation of welfare, health and social services. Everything these days is about profits and dividends of very few and impoverishment of the rest. What humanity need is fair share of the resources and all will be good.
I'll go a bit further, I'm a father of three beautiful children and one of them is the kindest person alive but not due to religious or spiritual beliefs but rather due to the immense value of life, because they (not a pronoun, rather animosity) almost lost their life in a battle with illnesses related to premature birth on one side and on another side, a barrage of doctors telling us that we should let them go or the outcome will result in almost a vegetative state.
This was very similar to the sentiment. I was going say. Great observation
I agree. I also think they people are depressed mostly because of being disconnected with other humans. The loneliness epidemic is the problem, not lack of religion. Capitalism is not compatible with life and it's killing people's happiness.
I think this is a cool perspective to bring to the table. I would counter by saying the spiritual traditions offer us the most reliable practices, techniques, and lifestyles which optimally increase our value for life and becoming an authentically virtuous individual. It’s the most reliable way to get humans to genuinely feel a sense of interconnectedness with all that exists which then naturally leads to kindness care and many virtues . We shouldn’t have to wait for tragedy to shape us in positive ways. True spirituality offers meaningful connection to nature to god and to other humans. It’s the type of culture we need to become a better species
I agree the loneliness epidemic is super harmful. But I don’t think it’s either or between that and spirituality. In fact one thing that can deeply bond a community of people is sharing sacred experiences thru ritual practices
@@zoilalulu3798the piece your missing is that religion is one thing that creates community and combats isolation. So they are connected for sure
@@benioren6120 There are other things that create community. You don't need religion for that.
Thank you for posting this. I find it helpful and informative. Spirituality gives me comfort, hope and guidance. It gives me a deeper perspective to the world.
We're happy to hear this! Thanks for watching!
The problem is that people misidentify spirituality with religion. And I think religion can be a beneficial , it’s when dogma takes over the religion that it turns bad.
"We're the middle children of the history man, no purpose or place, we have no Great war, no Great depression, our great war is a spiritual war, our great depression is our lives"
Tyler Durden would be proud if so
You are speaking my language! All the best in your quest …
Thank you. I appreciate this video.
We're glad! Thanks for watching!
Virtually Everytime I get a wish denied and I cam accept it, sonewhat thinking"Thy will be done", something good, something surprisingly intense is about to Happen. If I cling autistically to my wishfull thinking, humiliation and the like are a likely outcome....
Spirituality does not necessarily mean the organised religions. A person can be spiritual alongside being irreligious. The organised religions have been used to justify heinous activities too, so they can not be said to be the only ways of spirituality. As an agnostic-atheist, I see life as a spiritual journey
I'm a fan of Lisa Miller's work -- the importance of her messages about spirituality cannot be overstated in today's world. But I disagree that the further separation that she mentions, which was a continuation of the separation of church and state, was the sole or even most salient reason we lost spirituality collectively. That separation was, at root, not a separation of government and religion per se, but a separation of Christianity from government, so that Christianity wouldn’t continue to dominate American society. It was an attempt to curtail Christian hegemony in American politics and culture. And if we look at what some groups within American Christianity are doing now, imposing their minority views and attitudes on the majority of us, I'd say that was a wise move on the part of the founders and the continued movement toward inclusivity. What is more, if we take a historical lens, we see that Western Christianity -- which was functionally re-formed into a branch of imperialism and conquest after the conversion of the Roman emperor Constantine -- was itself one of the major reasons spirituality, and other modalities/groups of spirituality, were eradicated or suppressed in the first place. That imperialist, hierarchical mentality of Christianity is the driving force behind the global loss of collective spirituality that we all need to heal from, overcome, and transform.
Thank you for this video. It came at the most opportune time for me. Earlier this morning, I had been thinking about similar concept as red door vs yellow door and separately googling Lisa Miller on spirituality. Lo and behold! A video that combined both things I was searching for appeared!
Not lost - distracted and have been for centuries where as our indigenous peoples have always been connected as natural part of their culture.
Organized religion is the bane of our spiritual society
Waking up is a good way of describing it!
I like to think of religions as schools. The end goal of each one is to graduate its student (enlighten them). But we humans, being the way we are, have leveraged on the segregation and caused this idea of division. We must learn to embrace the teachings, and ponder on the wisdom provided by our own set of eyes. True freedom always lies only one step away.
What is this "Ultimate Reality" of which you speak?
I got out of depression thanks to spirituality. I see spirituality as a spectrum where most people are in the middle. I was on the lower end thats why i felt depressed
Such a challenging topic to navigate and she did an amazing job doing so. As a "recovering catholic" I was tense initially considering this POV, but can see how this focus on "spirituality" is about bridges across individual meaning + fulfillment and not organized religion. Phew!
Regarding spirituality, i think it's helpful to think if phrases like "a mean spirited joke" or "everyone was in good spirits" etc. People generally think that usage is completely different, but I don't think so at all. To me they are intrinsically tied together
@@MicahScottPnD Wow, this is a wonderful perspective! Thank you for sharing!
The heart is the Creator Ma'at with us as us, Truth, equality, balance and order, oxygen consciousness and the universe.
Beliefs (religious, spiritual) comes from a desire to know & understand. Having these personal truths, in whatever way you see fit, in a nation where freedom of thought is protected is necessary. However this is where science literacy comes in.. keep your personal truths, but i present to you objective truths, which are truths that science discovers. These are things that are true whether or not you believe in them. I recommend to everybody 3 books..
(Origins by Dr. Neil Degrasse Tyson)
(Evolution Vol. 2 by Dr. Alice Roberts)
(This Will Make You Smarter by John Brockman)
I actually appreciate The Well for posting this interview as it did get me thinking. However, I have problems with what the speaker said. This is disjointed, disconnect. Are these parts of an interview edited together? Usually, in any kind of community (spiritual or otherwise) one has to adhere to the same dogma everyone else in the group adheres to or they are shunned or cast out. If she just means by spiritual the idea or feeling that all life on the planet is interconnected, maybe people have that feeling, but that doesn't keep them from being isolated, especially during times of crisis. (Nor does that necessitate that we believe we are all children of God. That is her metaphysical assumption she is foisting on everyone else.) Only a support group of friends or family members helps with isolation. I studied religion in college. She is picking up on one type or definition of a religious community: that created by shared myth and ritual (Streng). I now realize today that definition idealized such a community. We don't all share the same beliefs. Today, most find it difficult to follow ritual they find meaningless (as we did when we recited prayers in church when we were small that we didn't even understand the meaning of).
Also, many people do not feel everything is interconnected, or they don’t care; they merely want as large of a slice of the pie as they can get, no matter what it does to other people or the planet. A belief that everything is interconnected does not protect anyone from these people and the systems they create and support.
But she is going beyond this. She has metaphysical assumptions behind what she is saying, assumptions that only a privileged person could believe because their socio-economic conditions allow such beliefs, such as that we are on a quest (warmed over Joseph Campbell), and we have a trail angel guiding us (New Age religion). If she dispensed with those assumptions and merely said that we all have to find a reason to keep going on in order to survive adversity, likely no one would disagree with her.
I also disagree that the separation of church and state gets rid of pluralism and does not allow people to share their spiritual practices. Rather, it protects and supports this. It allows everyone to believe what they want to believe.
Some adults don't talk about spiritual practices these days because they don't belong to any religious tradition, or they don’t know much about the tradition they belong to. Some have a materialistic viewpoint. That is their metaphysical belief, whether they realize it or not. It might be better to teach people about assumptions (metaphysical or otherwise), so they are aware of these and can better critique their own beliefs. Also, why would anyone pray if they don't believe in a wholly other God? (In the various traditions, there are several different types of Gods, by the way.) And when many people pray, they often pray to get what they want from a supernatural parent. Why is that a good thing to do? That may be comforting, at least until they don’t get what they want. Again, most religious traditions encourage people to pray to be able to have the strength to survive whatever catastrophe is befalling them or to be able to accept the will of God or fate. People meditate all the time, but they have no religious beliefs, nor do they need them to meditate.
I agree with her that it is sad that many people do not read works written by religious figures, but not because these works should be used as a source of morality (which often results in using them to support their own bigotry rather than morality). I have done a great deal of reading in religion and philosophy and literature myself (as well as other academic disciplines). I found such knowledge important and necessary for survival.
She is correct that there are points in our lives where everything is thrown into chaos and we become depressed, and we must work our way around these and that these have the potential to become times of growth (if they don’t destroy us); this is an insight of existential philosophy, and as Shakespeare and many others have noted, suffering may make us feel more empathy for the sufferings of others.
The heart should not guide the head. Human beings are irrational enough as it is. It isn’t necessarily good to say that our emotions should decide what we believe and how we act. What if we are filled with anger and hatred and bigotry? Moreover, she is using language very imprecisely. The heart does not know what is true. The heart is an organ that pumps blood around your body. Our emotions don’t reside in our heart although our emotions can speed up our heart or slow it down.
Also, to be envious or jealous or never-satisfied-in most religious traditions or even most psychological theories or moral systems, these are usually not considered positive emotions. Advertisers play on these to get us to become mass consumers. Rarely, if ever, is any good obtained by comparing ourselves to others and feeling envious or jealous or wanting more. Nor do people feel satisfied when they obtain what they want. In fact, this insight, our ceaseless desire to pursue goals that, once obtained, leave us empty, do not fulfill us, is the major insight of most religions she initially laments the loss of.
Then she jumps to a mystical experience that we need to have in order to decide whether to marry or travel. A mystical experience is not necessary to make such decisions. Intuition, knowing ourselves (something Socrates endorsed), is important in making decisions about what we choose to do that we will find compatible with our real needs versus what we think we want, but this does not require mysticism.
She is correct that we do not have control over what happens in our life. But when we encounter obstacles, we don’t necessarily end up with something better than what we originally wanted. Instead, again, many religious traditions and most philosophy councils that we need to learn to be content with what we have. In fact, one of the things it is said that we need to do in order not to end up bitter and disillusioned in old age is to rationalize our decisions, as Robert Frost says, the road we have taken, so we are content rather than bitter and disillusioned about all the aspects of ourselves that were not capable of being realized. If I remember correctly, Paul Tillich, a famous theologian, wrote about this inability to realize potential and acceptance of this in his works. Maybe what she is offering here is the rationalization Frost suggested in his poem, which is an illusion. To me, open-eyed acceptance of the limitations we encountered (as Tillich suggests) is probably more psychologically healthy. Tillich calls this the tragic vision of life.
This is a disjointed piece with many paragraphs because this interview is disjointed. Maybe it was originally a much longer interview and material was cut out. I find myself having the same reaction as I did when I was assigned in college an article by Alan Watts that I had to critique. Like Watts, this interview blends together all kinds of terminology and metaphysical beliefs that are imprecise, incompatible, and don’t blend well.
I was wondering when “Templeton” was going to bring in “spirituality”. I would like to see spirituality defined. When is a moment of awe or the feeling of purpose spiritual?
When you come to realize that there is a higher power, intelligence and wisdom then your ego and that you can by many ways commune with HER ior HIM in a spirit of humbleness and mindfulness.
Religión destroyed my life and now I will decide to believe in yoga, spiritual energy, it gets me free
The analysis at the beginning is amazing, if you ask me. The whole thing worthwhile. It seems rare to find discussion about the chasm between the individual and the group. This discusses it quite well
Our society has been so alienated from reason that that's why there is no spirituality. There are no limits to reason. Reason extends to even the domain of spirituality but we are so immature philosophically that no one can even begin to see this. She says that its a bad thing that people haven't been asked to pray or meditate. I say that praying and meditation are the most destructive forces on the planet. Humans thrive when we become rational. When humans are irrational, they suffer. Praying and meditation are irrational.
Things today that aren't going well are not going well because of the level of irrationality associated with them. No one has ever gotten smarter or more powerful from praying or meditation. But people getting smarter is the only thing that allowed humans to leave the caves and become the most extraordinary species. There's no such thing as a heart with wisdom that the head doesn't have. She is only recognizing empiricism as the mechanism of rationality when empiricism is philosophically contradictory to reason.
@@meltingintoair7581 that's a different framing than i would have thought of myself. Much to think about, for which im thankful. I can think, however, of a number of forces more destructive than praying and meditation
I don't understand this. Pleas clarify.😮
@@FrankTedescoTrueDharma Do you mean the video, or a particular comment?
I guess I should be surprised such subjective gibberish would be given any credence, but investing in BS is just who we have become and i certainly isn't due to collective spiritual bankruptcy. In fact, there is a strong argument that spirituality has been so perverted by its membership that its becoming unreliable and therefore rejected.
Do not conflate religion with spirituality
Pretty impossible not too
Read the bible helps me with my anxiety .. words of atrenght gives me strenght .. i think Lot of Ppl Have no mental health bc of the lack os spirituality ... We Have to learn tô Have faith again
Her research is interesting, but there's a problem: some of us can't believe BS no matter how psychologically beneficial it might be. Learning about the natural world, studying comparative religion, and understanding human psychology are all good reasons to seriously doubt that spirituality is anything other than a coping mechanism.
Exactly. You’re making yourself believe in a certain religion is like believing in Santa and fairy tales. It’s not logic in any way like how she says
This is an unbelievable take on the inequalities that are causing a majority of these issues. Not to mention spirituality is based in the belief that something beyond this world exists. I'm very disappointed in the content I'm seeing from Big think. As I continue to see these. Christian underpinnings creeping more and more into their content.
She speaking more of a spiritual sense not religious
Christianity is a religion. Religion is not solely Christianity. Religion comes with dogma, spirituality is knowledge of self and awareness of interconnectedness. Christianity makes people small minded (believers or not), that’s why you immediately went there instead of considering the bigger picture.
We didn't ''lose'' collective spirituality, because collective spirituality doesn't actually exist. Individual spirituality exists at the behest of the individual. And even then it is usually misunderstood due to collective influences (e.g. cultural biases and influences). What is needed is collective intelligence, which is out there for everyone to experience, if they put their focus onto it. This video is just another attempt to get people to misunderstand the influences of ''traditional religions'', possibly the worst direction that humankind could move toward. It would be a retrograde movement for individuals to do so. So don't do it.
Set your ''sights'' on seeking to connect with the Intelliverse of knowledge, rather than spend time with old paradigms.
The key point for me is not about a spiritual quest. It's about the loss of spirituality and religious experience as valid and useful in contemporary culture. We threw out the baby of God with the bathwater of extremism and fundamentalism, and it's a shame.
I don’t find what she’s saying to be true. Maybe I’m just living in a different world though.
Who and/or What Am I? Do 'I' even exist?
Consider the following:
a. I am a human as defined by humans.
b. I am an energy based quarkelectronian as modern science claims that all matter is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy and I am made up of matter and interacting energy.
c. I am a being of 'light', 'if' my current theory of everything is correct whereby the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in this universe, including space, time and numbers. (Currently dependent upon the results of my gravity test).
d. "I" do not even actually exist but eternally existent space time exists as me, currently in the forms as above.
* I exist and yet "I" simultaneously do not exist, dependent upon perspective. But yet, do "I" not truly exist in absolute truth reality as only eternally existent space time exists as all things in absolute truth reality?
* "I" can mentally change between perspectives thereby experiencing existence from those various perspectives. "My" mind continues to expand, but is it truly 'my' mind that is expanding or is it eternally existent space time's mind that is expanding? In absolute truth reality, it would seem to be the later.
* 'To Be or Not To Be'. I am both, 'I Am and I Am Not.' But I Am Not it appears more than I Am.
* Consider also: If asked the general question, 'What do you know?'. My current answer would be, 'Not much compared to all that can be known.' (I Am Not, More than I Am). It's humbling.
* Is it truly any wonder that the flow of energy in the universe affects species? We are the universe experiencing itself.
* Question: If 'I' never actually existed in the first place, how could 'I' ever die?
Arguably we have not lost spirituality, it merged with the economic system. Today you “find yourself” and your purpose through work.
The hole in our heart is God shaped. Love is the true answer. Emmanuel Swedenborg builds the bridge between religion and spirituality
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American Gods - Neil Gaiman
The problem is that in the USA in order to engage with groups you have to be spiritual 😂
The way she explains why she thinks it’s a causal relationship in the very first minute is fallacious and deficient.
90% of these commenters are depressed nihilists who atlre completely blind to what this video is saying
Our society has been so alienated from reason that that's why there is no spirituality. There are no limits to reason. Reason extends to even the domain of spirituality but we are so immature philosophically that no one can even begin to see this. She says that its a bad thing that people haven't been asked to pray or meditate. I say that praying and meditation are the most destructive forces on the planet. Humans thrive when we become rational. When humans are irrational, they suffer. Praying and meditation are irrational.
Things today that aren't going well are not going well because of the level of irrationality associated with them. No one has ever gotten smarter or more powerful from praying or meditation. But people getting smarter is the only thing that allowed humans to leave the caves and become the most extraordinary species. There's no such thing as a heart with wisdom that the head doesn't have. She is only recognizing empiricism as the mechanism of rationality when empiricism is philosophically contradictory to reason.
Rationality is not Bad but also not without Boundaries. Consider a simple question: If a barber in town shaves all men who do not shave semselves, does he shave himself? If he shaves himself, he doesn't and if he doesn't he does!😂😂😂
We haven’t lost anything-you can’t loose anything when it belongs to you. peace+& 🎶💥🌸
What about the real apparent truth that 'God' does not actually exist except for as a concept alone, the singular big bang theory is a fairy tale for various reasons, and the universe always existed in some form and never had a beginning, no creator needed?
a. Modern science claims energy cannot be created nor destroyed, hence energy is eternally existent.
b. An absolute somethingness cannot come from an absolute nothingness, so an absolute somethingness always existed, most probably being energy itself.
c. Universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, No Creator Needed.
'a' is true, is it not? 'b' is true, is it not? If 'a' and 'b' are true, then no creator is needed in 'c'.
* Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
Good point. But how do we know it has to be that way? Could a God exist in the eternal universe and make everything in it?
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth Please see 2 more posts to you after this post:
1. God does not actually exist except for as a concept alone post.
2. 'Alternative God' post.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT:
For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following:
a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing.
b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing.
People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur.
'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'.
I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". Instead of what is claimed "God created man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image".
Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe basically anything at all as being really true. It has also been scientifically proven that the brain makes up stuff to 'fill in the blanks' of it's perceived reality. Technology is often needed to perceive items that are outside of the human senses' capabilities. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead. Some people for some reason (social conditioning/brainwashing/wishful thinking) even believe in future eternity without end but do not accept eternity past with no beginning.
In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought?
If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where?
If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of.
* Note: Since this is a search for the real absolute truth concerning God, Intelligent Designer, Pre-existent Consciousness, etc, feel free to copy and paste this elsewhere to further the analysis and discussion.
* For those who claim God actually exists besides just as a concept, please prove that 'b' above is really true and that 'a' is not really true.
@@MrFossil367ab45gfyth 'GOD':
FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND INSIST THAT 1 TRUE GOD EXISTS AND IS THE CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE AND ALL IN IT: (Also how the universe expands and what 'dark energy' and 'dark matter' truly are): PLEASE PROVE YOUR VERSION OF GOD IS REALLY TRUE AND THAT THIS VERSION OF GOD IS NOT REALLY TRUE:
The entire universe and all in it came from the fart of a female rainbow colored unicorn. While this cannot be proven to be true, nobody can prove it not to be true either.
All hail the female rainbow colored unicorn and her life giving fart.
One just has to have 'faith' and 'believe' and not question 'God'.
And anybody who persecutes anybody who believes the above would be guilty of religious persecution and should be punished for such.
Oh and also: This 'God' said abortion is okay for any and all who want it. I and people who believe this 'faith religion', claim religious exemption from all laws making abortion illegal.
And anybody who does not obey this 'God' will be dumped on throughout all of future eternity by the rainbow colored unicorn herself.
She is a God of 'absolute truth'. She says that life itself from this Earth is ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things. She says all life from this Earth is going to die one day from something, is going to forget everything they ever knew and experienced, and are all going to be forgotten one day in future eternity as if they never ever existed at all in the first place. She says that if anybody does not like it, 'tough', she is God and that is how it is.
* And recently, she also passed onto me that vaccine mandates are also up to the believers for any believers who choose not to get vaccinated for whatever reason or reasons they and they alone might have.
* And then she told me that anybody can own and operate any weapon at all that they desire.
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ALL HAIL THE FEMALE RAINBOW COLORED UNICORN AND HER LIFE GIVING FART!!!
* More legal exemption requests to follow, based upon what the female rainbow colored unicorn tells me via our connection within my mind.
* Oh and also, she said that anybody who sends me money and/or other wealth (since I am currently one of her representatives here upon this planet called Earth), will receive abundant benefits after they die when in 'rainbow heaven'. She said it, so it must be really true.
* Spread this message far and wide around this Earth and beyond. You have my permission to copy and paste this message elsewhere to help spread the word of the 'real' God of the universe.
* Added note:
The expansion of the universe is due to the fart of God. This is basically just as valid as 'dark energy' coming from another dimension into this dimension and you probably don't want me to go into what 'dark matter' truly is (God's 'poop' in various forms).
@charlesbrightman4237 , who says God can be proven or disproven scientifically? No evidence don't mean it doesn't exist. We are limited in our senses and technology. Also, who says God has to be bound by natural laws and logic?
A trip with Jupiter
Just because one door is locked doesn’t mean we should stop trying to open doors. Are you talking to the Jehovah Witnesses??????
this is profound, ly misguided
Thank you for this💗 truly touched me. Magnificent work & attention to this message.🛤️
You are so welcome! Thanks for being here!