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@@richstone2627 Did you know these gun barrels were sometimes cast from bronze? That the speed of an arquebus bullet can reach about 980 feet per second? That the peregrine falcon can attain velocities exceeding 240 miles per hour during a dive? That one of the closest living relatives to a tyrannosaurus rex is a chicken!? ... Sorry I'm just messing with you. I've never heard of parkerizing, actually. Have a good one. ;)
Not the thing for a quick draw duel, but you really don't want to bust through a gate and find yourself staring down that barrel. The Norwegian word for "execution by firing squad" is "arkebusering" ("arquebusing"). Ten of those... There wouldn't be much left to bury, would there?
A very fine field piece indeed! Incidentally, Coburg also happens to be the surname of the German side of the current British royal family. Like, if Queen Elizabeth II were to be deposed, and just become a regular citizen, I believe she would go by Elizabeth Coburg-Windsor. Anyway, I wonder if this castle is named for the same Coburgs...
@thekangarooboxer I heard the method was similar to barrel making and I've seen pictures of gun barrels with hoops on them. This is just mind boggling to me because the shape just looks perfect. No added anything, just clean edges.
Hi, during the presentaition of the arquebus there was a book laying on the table. I am curious, if thats like some sort of compendium, of the pieces in the Coburg. If yes, can you tell me what it is called maybe?
Great historical information and awesome example to show, as always. I think of these super old school Medieval and Renaissance/Conquistador guns when people complain about how heavy a Modern gun is or - or how it "didn't fit their hand." The Revolutionary War and Civil War guns are modular, lightweight, high tech compared to this arquebus! People ought to be able to hump and shoot SKS or AK without whining. Be grateful for the mechanical miracle lol. Cool how they often had a 2nd person ignite the shot, reminds me of a bazooka or RPG team. I've seen manuscripts of crossbows held above the shoulder, like a shoulder-fired launcher. Crossbows aren't always shown in the shoulder like rifles and shotguns etc. This arquebus looks more like a bazooka or RPG than a longgun (non-pistol), even if it's not designed to be used that way (IDK, I'm no expert lol) 9:46 Good example of the "underarm assault" position. Never fire from the hip (like in the movies), but one can hit at short distances (across the room and further) like that quite easily, especially with practice. It's also a very good retention position to resist disarm, and you're naturally wound up to thrust a bayonet (just a gun barrel will hurt people well tho, it's stabbing with a narrow mace lol) or hit with the butt (although a shift of grip would be ideal). If one has a repeating firearm and can walk the rounds in, shooting accurately from underarm assault is super easy. The Soviet manual of arms (that all armies built on the ComBloc model follow, to my knowledge) actually teaches soldiers how to hold and shoot their AKs that way (because they can move and will be standing) before teaching traditional 3/4 position marksmanship we see at the Olympics. In general, the straighter a gun stock the more in line in goes with the the shoulder easily (like ARs). The the more sloped down it is (like an AK, Tommy gun is great example) the more they are designed for underarm assault position. It's what the FPS video game people are doing when the gun is just at the bottom of the screen (or IRL, you're sight) and using the crosshairs on the screen - not the sights. On the arquebus, having only one shot, probably held until close range, against a mass of opponents; I can see underarm assault being the best way to fire. Not in the shoulder like longguns, and not above the shoulder like bazooka or RPG etc. The way he's holding it here reminds me of the time I got to shoot a fire hose lol
AK's don't have sloped stocks though. The stock is directly in line with the barrel. This goes for the earlier AKM models all the way to the modern AK-100 series and AK-74M.
@@joost1120 It's not like the AK is halfway between the AR and the Tommy gun in slope. There is also the detail of the overall elevation of the stock relative to the barrel, receiver, sights, etc. To be fair, I wasn't very specific. I'll try again. See how straight the stock on this M16 is? www.military-today.com/firearms/m16.htm See how straight it is on this M4? www.stagarms.com/stag-15-m4/ Also note how high the stock positions the cheek, and that the stock is never anything but straight back. See the slope of this AK stock? BTW, finding a good example that WASN'T a replica was a pain lol. Even if the replicas accurately show the stock feature better, I refuse to illustrate my point with toy guns lol: www.fastcompany.com/1466594/60-years-later-everyones-still-loving-ak-47 Another: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_56_assault_rifle www.redbubble.com/people/nothinguntried/works/33399206-service-rifles-of-the-warsaw-pact?p=poster#&gid=1&pid=3 Another: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_58_assault_rifle See how it's mostly the stock sloping down at the beginning, even on the later Warsaw pact stocks that are probably the straight ones you're thinking of: www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/kalashnikov-assault-rifle-akm-assembled-isolated-1627677493 Even on the Warsaw Pact stocks, I find the slope is there. It's not very visible, but it's more tactile, if that makes sense To be fair, I also should have specified how low or high the stock is set relative to the barrel and especially sights. See how much more elevated the cheek is on the M16? It applies with the Modern collapsible stocks to. The AK stock gives one a lower elevated cheek weld. The straighter the stock and higher the cheek weld, the more it's for prone shooting and target shooting. The more sloped the stock and lower the cheek weld, the more it's for moving and unconventional positions. Using the sights on the Tommy gun is much tougher than on an AR, it's a weird weld to the stock to get used to Also, to be fair, this feature is more pronounced on the most recent AKs, the 100 series, like what I own: www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/719018010 I should know; owning an AK, handled a few Tommy guns (only dry fired tho), and having shot plenty of ARs... In summation, there is the slope of the stock, it's elevation (relative to the neutral with the receiver etc), and it's overall curvature. My point was that the Armalite rifles always use high elevation straight back stocks with no slope or curve at all. The AKs use some slope and curve, and that is part of what makes them better for CQB IMO (along with being a shorter fixed stock than ARs), and what makes an AR better for target shooting, providing overwatch, and shooting past 500 meters Also, to be fair, the stocks on many AKs are fairly straight. Like I said, the AK isn't halfway between the AR and Tommy gun lol, it's just a "non-zero" on the traits I listed. I hope that clarifies things
The presenter does indeed shoot 14th century replica guns. All sorts of historical guns and canons through the ages are fired at the "Zeitreise" which was held at the Veste Coburg repeatedly in past years. Here is one of many videos: ua-cam.com/video/7zNE1tNZWYA/v-deo.html
The Opéra-Comique (music by the thirty year old Jules Massenet) and the play it was based on "Don César de Bazan" both mention the arquebus. The boy Lazarille played by a mezzo-soprano, who has been saved from ill-treatment by the title role is an assistant in charge of the weapons. He is supposed to prepare them for the hero's execution. This is staged rather like the opera "Tosca". He omits to put the bullets in the arquebuses & the hero feigns dead and escapes. Is it possible for the gun to go bang with just the gun-powder? The librettist W.S.Gilbert copied some ideas from the above for the operetta "the Yeomen of the Guard". The heavy comic pretends to have shot the hero who is escaping by swimming in the Thames. "Arquebus from sentry snatching". We know the arquebus is heavy. Was it ever carried? Wasn't it usually mounted on a tripod?
I read somewhere that when firearms first started to appear on the battlefield the nobles were not pleased with the possibility of getting killed at close quarters by a mere peasant armed with such a weapon. For some reason they were apparently less concerned about getting injured or killed by the longbow which remained in service well into the gunpowder era.
The nobles did not like peasants armed with a weapon that could kill an armoured knight. The longbow doesn't reliably penetrate armour, so why would they be afraid?
@@joost1120 these early guns werent as good at defeating plate armor as we think they were. hand cannons started popping up in the mid 1300's, about 70 years before the creation of the full plate harness. had they been the end all be all for armor we wouldnt have seen armor evolve from full mail to full plate. these guns fired large, heavy lead balls from smooth bored barrels. sure its more velocity and power than a longbow shot or a crossbow shot, but its still not enough punch to reliably defeat mild and hardened steel plates. firing these guns in large volleys into a mass of troops will certainly yield results as shots are bound to find weak points in armor and the extremely loud noise can damage morale, but it wasnt as easy as "i have a gun, your armor is useless" we must also consider too that plate armor was designed to deflect incoming projectiles with its curved and fluted surfaces whether it be arrows, bolts or gun shot. seeing that full plate harnesses were being developed 70 or so years after firearms, the armorers would of taken this threat into consideration when forging the suits. we still see breastplates and helmets, and even cavalry with full plate being worn well into the mid 1600's
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I visited Veste Coburg just before Christmas, their collection is very impressive!
Hello, Ingo! Nice to see You there!
Outstanding. Thank you for sharing.
You are welcome.
Wow awesome video I am learning to make replica firearms like this so seeing originals like this are really great
Some of the vertical foregrips of the ARs are in shape just like that hook
I find it interesting that to protect the barrel from rust, they coat it in something rust-coloured... ;)
Browning, Bluing and parkerizing are all forms of controlled rust used even today on firearms
Just joking, no need to get all... technical. :P
@@chaos_omega Did you learn something? If so that was my point. All is well my friend.
@@richstone2627 Did you know these gun barrels were sometimes cast from bronze? That the speed of an arquebus bullet can reach about 980 feet per second? That the peregrine falcon can attain velocities exceeding 240 miles per hour during a dive? That one of the closest living relatives to a tyrannosaurus rex is a chicken!? ... Sorry I'm just messing with you. I've never heard of parkerizing, actually. Have a good one. ;)
@@chaos_omega I have forgot more about weapons and especially firearms than you'll ever know. Have a nice day dickhead troll
Not the thing for a quick draw duel, but you really don't want to bust through a gate and find yourself staring down that barrel.
The Norwegian word for "execution by firing squad" is "arkebusering" ("arquebusing"). Ten of those... There wouldn't be much left to bury, would there?
A very fine field piece indeed! Incidentally, Coburg also happens to be the surname of the German side of the current British royal family. Like, if Queen Elizabeth II were to be deposed, and just become a regular citizen, I believe she would go by Elizabeth Coburg-Windsor. Anyway, I wonder if this castle is named for the same Coburgs...
That was FORGED?! Wow.
@thekangarooboxer I heard the method was similar to barrel making and I've seen pictures of gun barrels with hoops on them. This is just mind boggling to me because the shape just looks perfect. No added anything, just clean edges.
Nice, Coburg is my home city
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Hi, during the presentaition of the arquebus there was a book laying on the table. I am curious, if thats like some sort of compendium, of the pieces in the Coburg. If yes, can you tell me what it is called maybe?
I will check with Ingo, and let you know.
@@swordandshield Thanks alot.
Great historical information and awesome example to show, as always. I think of these super old school Medieval and Renaissance/Conquistador guns when people complain about how heavy a Modern gun is or - or how it "didn't fit their hand." The Revolutionary War and Civil War guns are modular, lightweight, high tech compared to this arquebus! People ought to be able to hump and shoot SKS or AK without whining. Be grateful for the mechanical miracle lol. Cool how they often had a 2nd person ignite the shot, reminds me of a bazooka or RPG team. I've seen manuscripts of crossbows held above the shoulder, like a shoulder-fired launcher. Crossbows aren't always shown in the shoulder like rifles and shotguns etc. This arquebus looks more like a bazooka or RPG than a longgun (non-pistol), even if it's not designed to be used that way (IDK, I'm no expert lol)
9:46 Good example of the "underarm assault" position. Never fire from the hip (like in the movies), but one can hit at short distances (across the room and further) like that quite easily, especially with practice. It's also a very good retention position to resist disarm, and you're naturally wound up to thrust a bayonet (just a gun barrel will hurt people well tho, it's stabbing with a narrow mace lol) or hit with the butt (although a shift of grip would be ideal). If one has a repeating firearm and can walk the rounds in, shooting accurately from underarm assault is super easy. The Soviet manual of arms (that all armies built on the ComBloc model follow, to my knowledge) actually teaches soldiers how to hold and shoot their AKs that way (because they can move and will be standing) before teaching traditional 3/4 position marksmanship we see at the Olympics. In general, the straighter a gun stock the more in line in goes with the the shoulder easily (like ARs). The the more sloped down it is (like an AK, Tommy gun is great example) the more they are designed for underarm assault position. It's what the FPS video game people are doing when the gun is just at the bottom of the screen (or IRL, you're sight) and using the crosshairs on the screen - not the sights. On the arquebus, having only one shot, probably held until close range, against a mass of opponents; I can see underarm assault being the best way to fire. Not in the shoulder like longguns, and not above the shoulder like bazooka or RPG etc. The way he's holding it here reminds me of the time I got to shoot a fire hose lol
AK's don't have sloped stocks though. The stock is directly in line with the barrel. This goes for the earlier AKM models all the way to the modern AK-100 series and AK-74M.
@@joost1120 It's not like the AK is halfway between the AR and the Tommy gun in slope. There is also the detail of the overall elevation of the stock relative to the barrel, receiver, sights, etc. To be fair, I wasn't very specific. I'll try again.
See how straight the stock on this M16 is? www.military-today.com/firearms/m16.htm
See how straight it is on this M4? www.stagarms.com/stag-15-m4/
Also note how high the stock positions the cheek, and that the stock is never anything but straight back.
See the slope of this AK stock? BTW, finding a good example that WASN'T a replica was a pain lol. Even if the replicas accurately show the stock feature better, I refuse to illustrate my point with toy guns lol: www.fastcompany.com/1466594/60-years-later-everyones-still-loving-ak-47
Another: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_56_assault_rifle
www.redbubble.com/people/nothinguntried/works/33399206-service-rifles-of-the-warsaw-pact?p=poster#&gid=1&pid=3
Another: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_58_assault_rifle
See how it's mostly the stock sloping down at the beginning, even on the later Warsaw pact stocks that are probably the straight ones you're thinking of: www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/kalashnikov-assault-rifle-akm-assembled-isolated-1627677493
Even on the Warsaw Pact stocks, I find the slope is there. It's not very visible, but it's more tactile, if that makes sense
To be fair, I also should have specified how low or high the stock is set relative to the barrel and especially sights. See how much more elevated the cheek is on the M16? It applies with the Modern collapsible stocks to. The AK stock gives one a lower elevated cheek weld. The straighter the stock and higher the cheek weld, the more it's for prone shooting and target shooting. The more sloped the stock and lower the cheek weld, the more it's for moving and unconventional positions. Using the sights on the Tommy gun is much tougher than on an AR, it's a weird weld to the stock to get used to
Also, to be fair, this feature is more pronounced on the most recent AKs, the 100 series, like what I own: www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/719018010
I should know; owning an AK, handled a few Tommy guns (only dry fired tho), and having shot plenty of ARs...
In summation, there is the slope of the stock, it's elevation (relative to the neutral with the receiver etc), and it's overall curvature. My point was that the Armalite rifles always use high elevation straight back stocks with no slope or curve at all. The AKs use some slope and curve, and that is part of what makes them better for CQB IMO (along with being a shorter fixed stock than ARs), and what makes an AR better for target shooting, providing overwatch, and shooting past 500 meters
Also, to be fair, the stocks on many AKs are fairly straight. Like I said, the AK isn't halfway between the AR and Tommy gun lol, it's just a "non-zero" on the traits I listed. I hope that clarifies things
The presenter does indeed shoot 14th century replica guns. All sorts of historical guns and canons through the ages are fired at the "Zeitreise" which was held at the Veste Coburg repeatedly in past years. Here is one of many videos: ua-cam.com/video/7zNE1tNZWYA/v-deo.html
A piece of glowing iron? Yeah that's not going to work well, a rush light would be better.
That's handcannon?? Right?
The Opéra-Comique (music by the thirty year old Jules Massenet) and the play it was based on "Don César de Bazan" both mention the arquebus. The boy Lazarille played by a mezzo-soprano, who has been saved from ill-treatment by the title role is an assistant in charge of the weapons. He is supposed to prepare them for the hero's execution. This is staged rather like the opera "Tosca". He omits to put the bullets in the arquebuses & the hero feigns dead and escapes. Is it possible for the gun to go bang with just the gun-powder?
The librettist W.S.Gilbert copied some ideas from the above for the operetta "the Yeomen of the Guard". The heavy comic pretends to have shot the hero who is escaping by swimming in the Thames. "Arquebus from sentry snatching". We know the arquebus is heavy. Was it ever carried? Wasn't it usually mounted on a tripod?
Any volunteers to fire it ? 🤔
better fire a replica
Gladly.
before the trigger.
Am I the only one thinks it looks like heavy lance ?
What caliber is it?
It's max 17 mm at smallest point, and widening to 20 mm at the muzzle. In inch it would make it a 0.669.
I read somewhere that when firearms first started to appear on the battlefield the nobles were not pleased with the possibility of getting killed at close quarters by a mere peasant armed with such a weapon. For some reason they were apparently less concerned about getting injured or killed by the longbow which remained in service well into the gunpowder era.
The nobles did not like peasants armed with a weapon that could kill an armoured knight. The longbow doesn't reliably penetrate armour, so why would they be afraid?
@@joost1120 these early guns werent as good at defeating plate armor as we think they were. hand cannons started popping up in the mid 1300's, about 70 years before the creation of the full plate harness. had they been the end all be all for armor we wouldnt have seen armor evolve from full mail to full plate.
these guns fired large, heavy lead balls from smooth bored barrels. sure its more velocity and power than a longbow shot or a crossbow shot, but its still not enough punch to reliably defeat mild and hardened steel plates. firing these guns in large volleys into a mass of troops will certainly yield results as shots are bound to find weak points in armor and the extremely loud noise can damage morale, but it wasnt as easy as "i have a gun, your armor is useless"
we must also consider too that plate armor was designed to deflect incoming projectiles with its curved and fluted surfaces whether it be arrows, bolts or gun shot. seeing that full plate harnesses were being developed 70 or so years after firearms, the armorers would of taken this threat into consideration when forging the suits. we still see breastplates and helmets, and even cavalry with full plate being worn well into the mid 1600's
12kg is not heavy!