Revolution (part one) - Fortress New Zealand

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  • Documentary series Revolution mapped the social and economic changes in New Zealand society in the 1980s and early 1990s. This first episode focuses on NZ's radical transformation from a heavily regulated welfare state to a petri dish for free market ideology. It includes interviews with key political and business figures of the day, who reveal how the dire economic situation by the end of Robert Muldoon's reign made it relatively easy for Roger Douglas to implement extreme reform. Revolution won Best Factual Series at the 1997 Film and TV Awards.

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  • @Johnyevil
    @Johnyevil 11 років тому +45

    Every New Zealander should watch this, and be in the know.

    • @BitcoinNZ
      @BitcoinNZ Рік тому +1

      Yeah buddy, bitcoin all day.

  • @philipwhiston1510
    @philipwhiston1510 5 років тому +11

    Thanks so much for putting this online. I’m an expat New Zealander and I studied politics in Auckland in the 1990s after growing up there in the previous decade and this is a fantastic series of flashbacks for me. I studied under Gustafson for one!

    • @philipwhiston1510
      @philipwhiston1510 4 роки тому +1

      Pablo Herrera
      I agree with most of the political analysts who say that far-reaching reform was overdue and inevitable. NZ before 1984 was nothing to emulate.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 3 роки тому

      @@pabloherrera7210 Nup

  • @lemonadeez
    @lemonadeez 10 років тому +43

    Unbelievable politicians actually appeared and were questioned by actual reporters on the TV?
    Now reporters interview each other and or a public relations representative.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому

      What passes for news now is called an echo chamber. Anyone outside the accepted media narrative are vilified and labelled as phobic or words ending in ist or the like. One is not encouraged to look outside the box. Those that view opinion from outside the box have to run screaming to their safe spaces.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 Рік тому +1

      "we are your single source of truth". Soon the NZ law will reflect that, online censorship.

  • @tiger2010eve
    @tiger2010eve 3 роки тому +12

    Gotta admit that for someone so drunk, that was a pretty clever come back to the question about it not giving them much time to run-up to the election ...('Doesn't give my opponents much time to run-up to an election (either)..')

  • @spots2012
    @spots2012 11 років тому +18

    'Tired and emotional' - that's one way to put it.

  • @MarkSmith-ud4sd
    @MarkSmith-ud4sd 3 роки тому +3

    Great video series, I read the book twice bk in the late 90's. "You needed a license for a stapler and a license for the staples!" Lol.

  • @damianmatos55
    @damianmatos55 Рік тому +11

    I am from Argentina and right now I am living in NZ. The situation in my country is quite similar to Robert Muldoon's era sadly. I think that would be very useful for the ignorants and corrupts of argentinian politicians to watch this befor taking unaccurate policies

    • @vecna2502
      @vecna2502 10 місяців тому +1

      Tal cual.
      Soy uruguayo pero es el calco de lo que paso en Argentina.

    • @OleNesie
      @OleNesie 6 місяців тому

      How's Javier doing now fixing it?

    • @damianmatos55
      @damianmatos55 6 місяців тому +1

      @@OleNesie He needs a looot of time to change the whole ineffective system. We'll see

  • @deanmichael1027
    @deanmichael1027 4 роки тому +5

    this is essential viewing if you want to know where we are today in New Zealand and how we got there, it was an amazing time to be young and interested in politics, Lange gave us real leadership and took risks - got us to stand up for ourselves.

    • @MrAlakranT
      @MrAlakranT 4 роки тому

      all lefty countries should wath this , like argentina or venezuela maybe they learn something about taxes

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 3 роки тому +6

      the lange government was the beginning of the end for New Zealanders. The adern government is the end.

  • @kentuky1233
    @kentuky1233 2 роки тому +4

    There was a similar documentary from the opposite perspective about this that was presented by a guy wearing a hunter hat and I can't seem to find it. Anyone remembers its name by any chance?

  • @militiamancampbell
    @militiamancampbell 10 років тому +8

    Good docu this, you need to watch all 4 parts though. I was born in 81 so I can only really remember the tail end of this de-reg saga although I remember my Dad watching Ruth Richardsons 1991 budget, something hed never done before or since really.
    A follow up doc should be made now with the same presentation style focusing on the slow death of the provinces and the rising house prices and the shift to centrist politics, away from the strongmen like piggy.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому +2

      Just read- watch videos explaining Agenda 21

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому +3

      @@loop1479 Not that BS Agenda 21 ahaha

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому +1

      @@thecat2587 There is nothing sadder to me than the willfully blind

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому +3

      @@loop1479 Actually, there is nothing sadder than people believing conspiracy theories that they got from UA-cam and "truth" websites.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому +2

      @@thecat2587 Mmm, yes, and the Clinton, gates and bush families are the loving philanthropists they portray themselves to be. But each to their own.

  • @sutherlandA1
    @sutherlandA1 4 роки тому +8

    "2 brands of washing machine made by the same company".
    What were the brand names? Fisher and Paykel and Paykel and Fisher!

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 Рік тому

      Sounds EXACTLY the two main parties of New Zealand today, owned by the same globalists.

    • @stewarthemphill5677
      @stewarthemphill5677 2 місяці тому

      electrolux

  • @rosbaldiston7979
    @rosbaldiston7979 4 роки тому +6

    Winston Peters. The successor to Robert Muldoon. First Maori Prime Minister. Winston Peters the National Party Posterboy would've been exactly this if the Nats hadn't gone neo-liberal too.

  • @123brownjames
    @123brownjames 4 роки тому +8

    31:58 one of the most epic moments in NZ History

  • @toddwinther
    @toddwinther 10 років тому +2

    Any chance the Fallout TV movie (1995) about the 1984 Constitutional Crisis could be uploaded?

  • @samjames5183
    @samjames5183 11 років тому +9

    Excellent documentary. A brutal look at free market policies and their effects on people and society. Hard to believe Lange was such a weak man that he couldn't stand up to Roger Douglas and his cronies.

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому +4

      Brutal look? It showed exactly why it had to happen. Lange knew it. Most of NZ did too, hence why Labour got voted in again and Lange was booted, while Douglas and Prebble lived on!

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 Рік тому

      prebble and douglas were probably backed by the globalist cabal

    • @stewarthemphill5677
      @stewarthemphill5677 2 місяці тому

      Bob Jones was the puppet master over Lange and Douglas

  • @TheAnarkiwi
    @TheAnarkiwi 3 роки тому +13

    the introduction of neoliberalism.
    thanks Labour.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 Рік тому +1

      @@ryanrobichaud8665 Holy moly,, wish I could afford a set of rose tinted glasses like the ones you are looking through.

    • @21kiwi24
      @21kiwi24 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@loop1479I wish you could see what was obvious like everyone in the 80s could. The country was bankrupt and needed radical change.

  • @aquinosilva
    @aquinosilva 6 років тому +1

    This documentary has substilles?

  • @nzpatriot2009
    @nzpatriot2009 3 роки тому +15

    “He regulated every aspect of our lives”......... yet we were freer then than we ever have been since.

    • @21kiwi24
      @21kiwi24 10 місяців тому

      In social policies, not economic ones.

    • @Time2Go-in9ui
      @Time2Go-in9ui 9 місяців тому +1

      @@21kiwi24 Yeah and what is worth more in reality? Houses were 3 times one income. Rents were low. Petrol was cheap. Real food was plentiful and cheap. Mom (or dad) could stay home with the kids while they grew up. Education worked. Kids could get jobs straight out of school and be paid appropriately , so much they could even move out. Most roads had no potholes, even country ones were graded regularly. Fish were plentiful right off the beaches. The rivers were mostly clean. Many down on their luck could work for the M.O.W and feel better about themselves. Countrys don't go broke either, the lend more and have some inflation, balanced by interest rates (back then). They are not a business or individual. Neo liberal was selling cheap NZ, including our lands, to far richer countries. So I hope your 'silver' was worth selling out our country to foreigners, just like the 1800's all over again. No fan of Muldoon as a person, but they only spent the equivalent of 29 Billion in todays money, many of which projects still benefit us today 40 years on, (or more their new owners labour sold them too for a penny). Labour spent 60 Billion in 2021/22 and what did NZ get for the future from it?

    • @21kiwi24
      @21kiwi24 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Time2Go-in9ui delusional. A shame you failed Econ 101

    • @Time2Go-in9ui
      @Time2Go-in9ui 9 місяців тому

      @@21kiwi24 shame on you for falling for the sell out. Greed.

  • @user-tp5iz6pd2h
    @user-tp5iz6pd2h 9 місяців тому

    Where can I see it with Spanish subtitles?

  • @MrMistyJazz
    @MrMistyJazz 9 років тому +35

    This was a time when New Zealand was New Zealand. 1956 - New Zealand the richest country in the world. 29 unemployed, Social services rolling, Crime Low, Good foreign relations everyone was happy. Without a doubt the radical right wing reforms of the 80s orchestrated by Roger Douglas destroyed that. New Zealand was set to become a world leader - we were the envy of the world, its just amazing and shocking that we let this happen in our lifetime.

    • @JohnJohnson-qm3mr
      @JohnJohnson-qm3mr 7 років тому +16

      we were only rich in the 50s because of the wool boom

    • @seekingthetruth3410
      @seekingthetruth3410 7 років тому +1

      this was for fat fucks in government , so fuck that old shit ,

    • @rodomirosmith7592
      @rodomirosmith7592 5 років тому +6

      you were living an illusion of spending without funds

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому +5

      We were known as the Poland of the South Pacific, hardly the envy of the world. No way. Don't rewrite history. You probably were not even alive! Not everybody was happy, we had little wealth or freedom.

    • @sutherlandA1
      @sutherlandA1 4 роки тому +1

      Australia was in the same position at the time, a booming postwar economy with high standards of living in the 50s and 60s but by the 70s the world was changing while both countries refused to deviate under our respective conservative governments.
      Reforms in the 80s while both under labour reshaped our economies to adapt and benefit in a modern globalised open world markets, to not do so would've meant poorer failed nations

  • @BitcoinNZ
    @BitcoinNZ Рік тому

    Wow this is incredible

  • @yamahaU3
    @yamahaU3 11 років тому +3

    Holy god, is that winston peters at 52:00?

    • @piecritic4607
      @piecritic4607 6 років тому +2

      yamahaU3 also did you spot a young Helen Clark in the Labour Party?

    • @oskartheme5233
      @oskartheme5233 5 років тому

      Not Winston Peters, Koro Wetere.

    • @rosbaldiston7979
      @rosbaldiston7979 4 роки тому +1

      Nope but Winston Peters was Muldoon's apprentice and likely would've become National party leader, even Prime Minister as Sir Robert Muldoon had predicted, if the National Party had not switched to neo-liberalism but stayed with it's Muldoon era ways.

  • @luciddoggo5094
    @luciddoggo5094 Місяць тому

    Interesting, I knew the western world was pretty regulated before the 80s but I didn't realise how badly they were. I thought only like India had the license raj but even Beautfiul Capitalist New zealand was this protectionist?

  • @brendonthompson1691
    @brendonthompson1691 Рік тому

    2023 where are we now

  • @shereerihari2691
    @shereerihari2691 8 років тому +23

    I was sucked into the hype surrounding the Labour party rise in the 1984 general election. It was the first time I was eligible to vote and to my shame I voted for Labour again in 1987. That was the last time. Muldoon had it right. Our country has so lost its way and I grieve for the past and the country I grew up in. What have we done to ourselves? What have we allowed into our nation at the expense of a unique way of life? And most dreadful of all - Where are we heading?

    • @ManMountain1974
      @ManMountain1974 8 років тому +18

      Had it right? Didn't you watch the documentary we were broke

    • @_Junkers
      @_Junkers 6 років тому +4

      His cultural philosophy was right, his economic philosophy was not

    • @smmm5559
      @smmm5559 6 років тому +1

      @@_Junkers piss off

    • @abrahamlincoln1889
      @abrahamlincoln1889 5 років тому +1

      This isn't a country anymore.

    • @rodomirosmith7592
      @rodomirosmith7592 5 років тому

      better be poor and happy?

  • @lawrence142002
    @lawrence142002 4 роки тому +8

    It's very interesting watching this now here in the US... Muldoon reminds me a lot of Trump and the unrest he did nothing about, especially with regard to race relations, is very reminiscent of what's going on in this moment.

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 3 роки тому

      Except the unrest the world over today is propagated by UN agendas and billionaire technocratic eugenicist megalomaniacs.

  • @REaLAToMicZ
    @REaLAToMicZ 9 років тому +5

    Can anyone from New Zealand tell me about the public opinion on these reforms. Because from what i can see (statistics) they turned out well. Unemployment was at 3,7% in 2007, and only 11% of them were long-term unemployed. During the crisis the economy only decreased by 1.9%. New Zealand is high-ranked in freedom of corruption.

    • @cornygrogan
      @cornygrogan 9 років тому +7

      Azula Baratheon Public opinion in New Zealand is divided, mainly along generational lines. Older New Zealanders will generally say they prefer the old system of regulation and control as it provided security of employment to most, and the New Zealand society in general was more equal than it is today. Younger New Zealanders would not accept tax rates of up to 66% and not being allowed to go shopping on Sundays for example. The drivers of the revolution: Roger Douglas, Richard Prebble, Ruth Richardson are not generally looked upon with a great deal of fondness by the vast majority of New Zealanders. In a nutshell I would say that the revolution transformed our nation from a collectivist, highly unionised "for the better good of the country" type ideology to one of accepting responsibility for one's own path in life, with a greater emphasis on personal freedoms. My personal preference is for the old system, I'd happily pay higher taxes if it meant that the current swathe of doll bludgers could find meaningful employment in the public service. I'm not sure how valid your employment statistics are.

    • @REaLAToMicZ
      @REaLAToMicZ 9 років тому +4

      But according to Wikipedia, NZ is more unequal than other countries in the OECD, but the gap was closing before the crisis and is now closing again. Mainly because many of the Maori are now becoming part of the labour market. But NZ can achieve all what it can achieve without accumulating more and more debt. From a foreign perspective(Germany) these reforms seemed to work out well. Your unemployment is low, although you have a minimum wage. You have the most productive agriculture, which tends to protect the environment better than our agriculture. And you have high growth rates, although you already have a high GDP. New Zeland is the only example of consequently implemented supply-side economics.

    • @AnneBoleynTudor
      @AnneBoleynTudor 9 років тому +3

      +Azula Baratheon It's hidden. All these reforms were part of the testing ground for the New World Order. We've had a shadow government for decades. Part of the NWO was the destruction and failure of every govt dept, and this has come to pass.

    • @cam1149
      @cam1149 8 років тому +7

      +Azula Baratheon inequality in NZ is not decreasing, like most OECD countries it is increasing, however NZ's inequality is increasing faster than any other OECD country in the world. For the majority of Kiwis, 1984 was a disaster, for a small number of New Zealanders it was an outrageous success. To be honest you seem to be very naive about the real socio-economic impacts of neo-liberalism in general and about the impacts it has had on New Zealand. Just to give on small example, I've lived in Wellington for 8 years, in that time the number of homeless people has grown enormously as services to accommodate them has been reduced.

    • @REaLAToMicZ
      @REaLAToMicZ 8 років тому +2

      +Cam Mackay Nice, that you argue without any source or evidence whatsoever and call me naive.
      Let's go over some of the facts.
      New Zealand is generally free from corruption.
      www.transparency.org/research/cpi/overview
      www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand
      New Zealand went through the crisis than many other countries.
      www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp-growth
      www.tradingeconomics.com/new-zealand/gdp
      New Zealand had low unemployment before the crisis. Of the unemployment just a small percentage is long-term unemployed.
      www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-progress-indicators/home/economic/unemployment-rate.aspx
      New Zealand is agriculture is doing much better than it's heavily subsidised counterparts in Europe.
      www.fedfarm.org.nz/files/2005---Life-after-subsidies---the-NZ-experience.pdf
      www.cato.org/publications/commentary/save-farms-end-subsidies
      New Zealand faced severe problems before 1984.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_Zealand_constitutional_crisis
      New Zealand has low debt.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt
      _in that time the number of homeless people has grown enormously as services to accommodate them has been reduced._
      Is that proven or just your personal impression?

  • @123brownjames
    @123brownjames 8 років тому +11

    Much the same happened under Thatcher in Britain

    • @MisterPolitical1
      @MisterPolitical1 8 років тому +4

      yeah thatcher hated the working class

    • @tomgibson6801
      @tomgibson6801 6 років тому +4

      "Saved from bankruptcy and total collapse. Yes, Thank God for Thatcher." oh god are you taking the piss. she left with high unemployment and a recession. bitch should of been hanged for what she did

    • @crossroads670
      @crossroads670 6 років тому +1

      Evan Bernard - high unemployment because all the jobs pre-thatcher were FAKE government paid jobs that were making the country poor. Lord, leftists have no clue.

    • @tomgibson6801
      @tomgibson6801 5 років тому +3

      @@crossroads670 the only "fake" jobs were the jobs of the yuppie pricks who destroyed the economy

    • @ericmacrae6871
      @ericmacrae6871 10 місяців тому

      ​@crossroads670 post-Thatcher the wealth of the working class is being robbed. Good lord right-wingers are clueless and pretend that trickle-down economics actually works when all the evidence says otherwise

  • @firefox5926
    @firefox5926 6 років тому +9

    3:24 there was a reason for that trucking thing... it sound absurd but the basics of it are sound ... first off it is more fuel effect to transport fright by rail over distances longer than 100 miles its simple better having one engine burning fuel to transport 700 tonnes of freight with steel wheels on steel rails than having that weight divided into trucks with one engine each that can only carry like 30 tonnes each with rubber wheels on asphalt
    second trucks used roads that they didn't have to pay to build... kind of... what i mean is the road were build with tax money for public use by light vehicles and running heavy trucks over them degrades them much faster leading to more cost to the taxpayer and without a fuel charge on the trucking company the taxpayer effectively subsidies these trucking company's so by limiting the trucking distances to 100 miles you take them off the longest more remote and more expensive intercity roads
    third it makes the trains more profitable somewhat countering the savings trucks have from using public roads
    and forth and related to the third it helps maintain vital infrastructure ie the railways

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 6 років тому

      3:28 ... were they good quaility? did they last? were the worth the money ? if so whats wrong with that ... haveing more choice contray to what some people might assert is not inherraintly a good thing ... its a washing machine... does it was the clothes? does it do it well? then what does it matter

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 6 років тому

      3:45 that seams weird to me seeing as wasn't this the time of the "big O.E" (overseas expreance) how could that be if everyone was miserable doing paper work? or was it that the things you were trying to buy were... ahem ....

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому +1

      And the government cares about road condition degrading from the burden of 50? tonne trucks? Nope! And they can get a whole lot more tax from 50 trucks than they can for one train. THAT is why the rail has been left to rot. AND Key got his pound of flesh when it was sold!

    • @tutaneka
      @tutaneka 11 місяців тому

      The inferstructuer costs were and are quite expensive, it's not so bad if the railways makes enough money to pay it themselves, but the government makes more money off, road vehicles, ie Regos, RUC's fuel taxes etc on every vehicle that uses the roads or fuel compare those numbers to the amount of trains that are in use & it's a no brainer for them

  • @deirdrawilson-anderson6571
    @deirdrawilson-anderson6571 7 місяців тому +1

    Nz could be a locked controlled economy because we were Primary Industry Agrarian based. We had guaranteed fixed prices with the UK. They agreed to buy all our meat, wool, butter and milk proteins. We were in clover. It worked from inception of this nation right up until the UK finally dropped their bond to us and were seduced by bulk bargaining of the European Union. The UK shifted their focus to the new deals offered closer to home and far away from their old dominions. It was the pre-cusor to the full EU that was conceived in the 1950 post WW 2. Had to stick together you see. Nz was put in the cold by the mid 1970s and literally heading for bankruptcy. I'm dying with laughter. Muldoon thought piss poor nz in the early 1980s could afford Self Suffiency. There wasn't even 3 millions people living here then and no natural resources. He must have thought we were Germany or Japan.

  • @juanrapetti8355
    @juanrapetti8355 5 років тому +11

    I see people saying that socialist NZ was amaizing. I cant say how well or poorly people lived in that period, what i can say is that here in argentina we have a very similar scenario and its awful. Cant wait to finish uni and leave, there no freedom wahtsoever and every answer given by politicians imply that more socialism is needed.

    • @sebastiannoir5712
      @sebastiannoir5712 4 роки тому +5

      life was pretty good in nz in the seventies, boring with little choice but life was good. the fact that we did not pay our way is something we as a country still willfully ignore ::: :

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому

      We had little freedom and little wealth.

    • @johnnyboy1586
      @johnnyboy1586 Рік тому

      ​@@thecat2587yes there wasn't many millionaires ,but most could afford a house, quality food was cheap,you could leave a job and get another one in one day, mostly every one was healthy and happy great days

  • @dangoddess
    @dangoddess 10 років тому +3

    And we still find it difficult to by a gas powered car

  • @TheWilsonTheaterComp
    @TheWilsonTheaterComp 8 років тому

    does anyone know what the music at the start is?

  • @1112-g1x
    @1112-g1x 4 роки тому +1

    was the lange govt the 1st 3rdwy govt Ever? @21min it sounds like thy absolutely were .

  • @stewarthemphill5677
    @stewarthemphill5677 2 місяці тому

    So how many homeless on Robs watch? He would have won again if it wasn't for Bob Jones interfering in NZ politics.

  • @RazorweedManagement
    @RazorweedManagement 11 років тому +6

    35:17 haha haha ha

  • @TGBahr
    @TGBahr 7 років тому +3

    Let freedom ring

  • @ralphwatt8752
    @ralphwatt8752 2 роки тому

    The political parties are responsible for the dept , Not Men Women Children of New Zealand

  • @RVDT2
    @RVDT2 3 місяці тому +1

    “Tired and emotional Prime Minister” drunk more likely?

  • @2000Ajjet
    @2000Ajjet 10 років тому +15

    The overdue arrival of Thatcherisim in New Zealand...Better late than never, and better for it.

    • @pwnedlikeanub
      @pwnedlikeanub 9 років тому +9

      +Alec Cherrington Thatcherism tore apart the social fabric of New Zealand just like it did in Britain. If you think that a country stripped of it's industrial capacity, rising economic inequality, low wages, and a deregulated financial sector that could bring down the entire economy in a second is a good thing, you're living in fairy tale.

    • @2000Ajjet
      @2000Ajjet 9 років тому +5

      So would you rather us live with only minimal choices? That's what it was like...Yes everyone had "Jobs", but they were subsidized by Government and at 65c in the dollar tax, try going overseas for a holiday...Oh you couldn't as a basic airfare to Sydney was a $1000!

    • @tomgibson6801
      @tomgibson6801 6 років тому +3

      thatcherism and neo liberalism ruined every country it touched. britain america new zealand etc

    • @matthew22nz
      @matthew22nz 5 років тому +2

      matthew22nz
      ^ generally the argument used by those too young to remember things had actually already fallen apart, and this is what brought about Thatcherism in the first place. Nz’s economy was a basketcase, just as the UK’s was.

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 5 років тому

      @@2000Ajjet ... thats not how progressive taxation works...

  • @Cleisthenes2
    @Cleisthenes2 Рік тому +1

    as diabetic as a newt?

  • @splashftw268
    @splashftw268 6 років тому +3

    back before we had the undemocratic and nuts MMP system.

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 5 років тому +6

      ?

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому

      Incorrect. We were too blind to recognize it. This is the period Agenda 1 and The Kalergi Plan was introduced.

    • @william_bp
      @william_bp 4 роки тому

      MMP is far more democratic than FPP. Bloody hell, if you want democracy then lower the MMP threshold to 1%! That is actual democracy.

    • @pinkpinkpink32
      @pinkpinkpink32 Рік тому

      ​@@william_bp Even when at 7 percent of the vote and with no seat Winston Peters got to choose the govt, despite what the majority voice said? That is definitely not true democracy. that is a bad joke.

  • @violinistoftaupo
    @violinistoftaupo 9 місяців тому

    This is a story of our revolution... but not in a good way.

  • @sebastiannoir5712
    @sebastiannoir5712 4 роки тому +2

    compulsory unions, a wage+price freeze, BNZ broke and collapsing. how did we get so close to venezuela? ::: :

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 4 роки тому

      Socialism

    • @ericmacrae6871
      @ericmacrae6871 10 місяців тому

      ​@@thecat2587and yet capitalism is ruin everything

    • @thecat2587
      @thecat2587 10 місяців тому

      @@ericmacrae6871 It doesn't. It has made the world richer.

    • @ericmacrae6871
      @ericmacrae6871 10 місяців тому

      @thecat2587 it made the imperial core richer while exploiting the 3rd world. Meanwhile everywhere that socialism as been tried was in a 3rd where it has always brought greater level of wealth to the general population there is even studies where they show how socialist countries always outperform capitalism countries for equal economic development

    • @21kiwi24
      @21kiwi24 10 місяців тому

      ​@@ericmacrae6871capitalism is the worst.....except compared to everything else.

  • @antonoka
    @antonoka Рік тому

    Maybe he was right!

  • @michaelledford4751
    @michaelledford4751 6 років тому

    It's strange when you compare the labor /conservative party of the USA with labor party's of Europe because in Europe labor means socialism .

  • @ParisPedant
    @ParisPedant 12 років тому +4

    haha, BSNS 104

  • @bayleybomber
    @bayleybomber 10 років тому +2

    LOL propped up economy NEVER ;O!

  • @CurtHowland
    @CurtHowland 6 років тому +2

    Socialism always eats the seed corn with debt. Some countries get out from under Socialism in time, some collapse before they consider cutting anything. New Zealand did what they had to do to prevent total destruction.
    Venezuela is doubling down, and failing utterly.

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 5 років тому +5

      uh huh and tell me how much debt does the usa (the paragon of capitalism) hold at the moment? ... and how much debt does Norway (the paragon of "democratic socialism") hold?

    • @rodomirosmith7592
      @rodomirosmith7592 5 років тому

      @@firefox5926 the difference is the debt you have you'll use it in production, no distribution.

    • @chrisjackson9626
      @chrisjackson9626 5 років тому +6

      You probably need to read up on what socialism actually is. Secondly Venezuela is struggling primarily because US sanctions, coupled with Venezuela's rich, who own many of the corporations and the media.

    • @CurtHowland
      @CurtHowland 5 років тому

      @@firefox5926 You might want to study some economics before you call the USA anything like a "paragon of capitalism".

    • @loop1479
      @loop1479 4 роки тому

      @@chrisjackson9626 So not much different from the world then.

  • @crossroads670
    @crossroads670 6 років тому +3

    Muldoon: the Hillary Clinton of NZ

    • @firefox5926
      @firefox5926 5 років тому +9

      thats...a weird thing to say...

    • @crossroads670
      @crossroads670 5 років тому +2

      firefox5926 - a corrupt statist who laughs when questioned? Seems like a fair comparison

    • @JohnJohnson-qm3mr
      @JohnJohnson-qm3mr 2 роки тому

      @@william_bp Muldoon is far to the left economically and on the right socially than any of them

    • @ef888
      @ef888 2 роки тому +1

      I just saw someone call Muldoon the Trump of NZ. So there's some pretty diverse opinions in this comment section but nobody seems to like Rob.

    • @TillyOrifice
      @TillyOrifice 11 місяців тому +1

      @@ef888 I liked him. I voted against him every chance I got.